Call to change exam times to help Muslim students fasting during Ramadan

The Bolton News: Young Muslims celebrating the end of Ramadan Young Muslims celebrating the end of Ramadan

A UNION chief from Bolton has called for exam boards to review the timetabling of A-level and GCSE exams to consider the impact of Ramadan on Muslim students.

Barry Lingard, who is also on the Association of Teachers and Lectures (ATL) Executive, suggested that big exams could be scheduled for the morning only so results are not jeopardised as a result of fasting.

He said over the next few years, the holy month, which Muslims observe by fasting, will increasingly fall during the exams period, which could affect teenager’s results.

Mr Lingard told the union’s annual conference in Manchester that ATL had been in discussions with the Joint Council for Qualifications, which represents exam boards — and Muslim organisations — over the issue.

Proposing a resolution on the topic Mr Lingard said it was Whighly unlikelyW that exam boards will change summer timetables.

Mr Lingard said: “We are in cycle that over the next few years, Ramadan will fall in the middle of the exams season, this year it will be at the tail end.

“Some schools are more aware of this than others.

“Schools such as Essa and Smithills have always done their best for Muslim students, and talks are already taking place with exam boards about discussions about what can be changed — maybe having the big exams in the morning.”

Delegates passed the resolution, which called on the union to raise awareness of the potential impact of Ramadan on Muslim students’ education.

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10:44am Fri 18 Apr 14

FreedomOfSpeech1945 says...

I'm not even going to attempt to comment!!!!
I'm not even going to attempt to comment!!!! FreedomOfSpeech1945
  • Score: 28

10:58am Fri 18 Apr 14

Gore Seer says...

Why Don't They Change The Fasting To Miss Exams, I Know It Would Take Rocket Science To Move The Fasting, But I Always Say Anything Is Possible.
Why Don't They Change The Fasting To Miss Exams, I Know It Would Take Rocket Science To Move The Fasting, But I Always Say Anything Is Possible. Gore Seer
  • Score: 8

11:54am Fri 18 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Fitly it is allowed to change the times when a pupil or a set of pupils take an exam. It is frowned upon but not against the rules!

Reasons for changing can range from religion, as in this case, through to hospital appointments, clashes with other exams etc etc etc

It is frowned upon because it does mean extra work for the teachers/invigilator
s due to the fact that a teacher/invigilator, has to stay with the pupil(s) all thee time and make sure they do not attempt to make any communication with those who have taken the exam! Even if it is overnight!!!

This is basically a non-story and seems to be trying to create a controversy when there isn't one!!!
Fitly it is allowed to change the times when a pupil or a set of pupils take an exam. It is frowned upon but not against the rules! Reasons for changing can range from religion, as in this case, through to hospital appointments, clashes with other exams etc etc etc It is frowned upon because it does mean extra work for the teachers/invigilator s due to the fact that a teacher/invigilator, has to stay with the pupil(s) all thee time and make sure they do not attempt to make any communication with those who have taken the exam! Even if it is overnight!!! This is basically a non-story and seems to be trying to create a controversy when there isn't one!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -35

12:43pm Fri 18 Apr 14

David 1957 says...

No This is England Not a muslim country. Would they change the rules for us
in Pakistan etc.
No This is England Not a muslim country. Would they change the rules for us in Pakistan etc. David 1957
  • Score: 42

3:27pm Fri 18 Apr 14

Wolfie190 says...

Why dont we just put the Pakistan flag on Buckingham palace and have done with it... I'm sure it will please our spineless politicians.
Why dont we just put the Pakistan flag on Buckingham palace and have done with it... I'm sure it will please our spineless politicians. Wolfie190
  • Score: 33

3:50pm Fri 18 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

See he racial hatred flowing through some of these comments and yet, as I have already stated, moving exams is actually straight forward and happens all the time for the most mundane reasons never mind religious reasons!!!

Yes, if needs be the exams could be changed to suit Roman Catholocism or Church of England needs or Jewish needs, or even Jedi needs!

this is nothing new and has been happening for decades so why get worked up over it?
See he racial hatred flowing through some of these comments and yet, as I have already stated, moving exams is actually straight forward and happens all the time for the most mundane reasons never mind religious reasons!!! Yes, if needs be the exams could be changed to suit Roman Catholocism or Church of England needs or Jewish needs, or even Jedi needs! this is nothing new and has been happening for decades so why get worked up over it? The Righteous One
  • Score: -59

4:23pm Fri 18 Apr 14

mr.mark.c says...

Forcing a child to go all day without food and water is child abuse.
Forcing a child to go all day without food and water is child abuse. mr.mark.c
  • Score: 22

4:34pm Fri 18 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

mr.mark.c wrote:
Forcing a child to go all day without food and water is child abuse.
It isn't all day. It is from sunrise to sunset and depending upon what time of year Ramadan falls on it could be a few hour to 12-13 hours!

Lets not forget that it is not just the Muslim faith that has a period of fasting. Within the various Christian religious' we are meant to fast during daylight hours of Lent and also lets not forget that the Jewish faith of Passover also requires a period of fasting during daylight hours!!

It isn't uncommon as one may think!
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: Forcing a child to go all day without food and water is child abuse.[/p][/quote]It isn't all day. It is from sunrise to sunset and depending upon what time of year Ramadan falls on it could be a few hour to 12-13 hours! Lets not forget that it is not just the Muslim faith that has a period of fasting. Within the various Christian religious' we are meant to fast during daylight hours of Lent and also lets not forget that the Jewish faith of Passover also requires a period of fasting during daylight hours!! It isn't uncommon as one may think! The Righteous One
  • Score: -14

4:41pm Fri 18 Apr 14

mr.mark.c says...

The Righteous One wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
Forcing a child to go all day without food and water is child abuse.
It isn't all day. It is from sunrise to sunset and depending upon what time of year Ramadan falls on it could be a few hour to 12-13 hours!

Lets not forget that it is not just the Muslim faith that has a period of fasting. Within the various Christian religious' we are meant to fast during daylight hours of Lent and also lets not forget that the Jewish faith of Passover also requires a period of fasting during daylight hours!!

It isn't uncommon as one may think!
I would call that all day as in during the day.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: Forcing a child to go all day without food and water is child abuse.[/p][/quote]It isn't all day. It is from sunrise to sunset and depending upon what time of year Ramadan falls on it could be a few hour to 12-13 hours! Lets not forget that it is not just the Muslim faith that has a period of fasting. Within the various Christian religious' we are meant to fast during daylight hours of Lent and also lets not forget that the Jewish faith of Passover also requires a period of fasting during daylight hours!! It isn't uncommon as one may think![/p][/quote]I would call that all day as in during the day. mr.mark.c
  • Score: 10

5:14pm Fri 18 Apr 14

Gore Seer says...

It Is The Start Of A New World Order, We Most All Change It Is Led By The U.S.A .
It Is The Start Of A New World Order, We Most All Change It Is Led By The U.S.A . Gore Seer
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6:04pm Fri 18 Apr 14

tillyflop53 says...

Why should they be given this extra time. It is their religion and they choose to fast. How is that fair? If they get extra time everyone should get extra time !!
Why should they be given this extra time. It is their religion and they choose to fast. How is that fair? If they get extra time everyone should get extra time !! tillyflop53
  • Score: 14

6:06pm Fri 18 Apr 14

tillyflop53 says...

David 1957 wrote:
No This is England Not a muslim country. Would they change the rules for us
in Pakistan etc.
no they wouldnt an rightly so as we would be guests in their country. this country is so scared of upsetting people that they bend over backwards to make concessions for other cultures whilst ignoring their own !!!
[quote][p][bold]David 1957[/bold] wrote: No This is England Not a muslim country. Would they change the rules for us in Pakistan etc.[/p][/quote]no they wouldnt an rightly so as we would be guests in their country. this country is so scared of upsetting people that they bend over backwards to make concessions for other cultures whilst ignoring their own !!! tillyflop53
  • Score: 26

6:11pm Fri 18 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

mr.mark.c wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
Forcing a child to go all day without food and water is child abuse.
It isn't all day. It is from sunrise to sunset and depending upon what time of year Ramadan falls on it could be a few hour to 12-13 hours!

Lets not forget that it is not just the Muslim faith that has a period of fasting. Within the various Christian religious' we are meant to fast during daylight hours of Lent and also lets not forget that the Jewish faith of Passover also requires a period of fasting during daylight hours!!

It isn't uncommon as one may think!
I would call that all day as in during the day.
nope as a day constitutes 24 hours whilst at the height of summer there is only 10 hours between sunrise and sunset - and how many children go without food for 10 hours? - many!!!!
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: Forcing a child to go all day without food and water is child abuse.[/p][/quote]It isn't all day. It is from sunrise to sunset and depending upon what time of year Ramadan falls on it could be a few hour to 12-13 hours! Lets not forget that it is not just the Muslim faith that has a period of fasting. Within the various Christian religious' we are meant to fast during daylight hours of Lent and also lets not forget that the Jewish faith of Passover also requires a period of fasting during daylight hours!! It isn't uncommon as one may think![/p][/quote]I would call that all day as in during the day.[/p][/quote]nope as a day constitutes 24 hours whilst at the height of summer there is only 10 hours between sunrise and sunset - and how many children go without food for 10 hours? - many!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -44

6:14pm Fri 18 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

tillyflop53 wrote:
David 1957 wrote:
No This is England Not a muslim country. Would they change the rules for us
in Pakistan etc.
no they wouldnt an rightly so as we would be guests in their country. this country is so scared of upsetting people that they bend over backwards to make concessions for other cultures whilst ignoring their own !!!
How is it bending over backwards when changing the time of any exam has been permitted for many various mundane or non-mundane reasons for many decades.

I know people who have had the time of their exam changed due to overlaps with over exams.

I know people who have had their exam time change due to hospital appointments

I also know people who have had their exam time changed due to religious requirements (and they were Christians and not Muslim!!!!)
[quote][p][bold]tillyflop53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David 1957[/bold] wrote: No This is England Not a muslim country. Would they change the rules for us in Pakistan etc.[/p][/quote]no they wouldnt an rightly so as we would be guests in their country. this country is so scared of upsetting people that they bend over backwards to make concessions for other cultures whilst ignoring their own !!![/p][/quote]How is it bending over backwards when changing the time of any exam has been permitted for many various mundane or non-mundane reasons for many decades. I know people who have had the time of their exam changed due to overlaps with over exams. I know people who have had their exam time change due to hospital appointments I also know people who have had their exam time changed due to religious requirements (and they were Christians and not Muslim!!!!) The Righteous One
  • Score: -57

6:55pm Fri 18 Apr 14

mr.mark.c says...

The Righteous One wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
Forcing a child to go all day without food and water is child abuse.
It isn't all day. It is from sunrise to sunset and depending upon what time of year Ramadan falls on it could be a few hour to 12-13 hours!

Lets not forget that it is not just the Muslim faith that has a period of fasting. Within the various Christian religious' we are meant to fast during daylight hours of Lent and also lets not forget that the Jewish faith of Passover also requires a period of fasting during daylight hours!!

It isn't uncommon as one may think!
I would call that all day as in during the day.
nope as a day constitutes 24 hours whilst at the height of summer there is only 10 hours between sunrise and sunset - and how many children go without food for 10 hours? - many!!!!
You my friend are being petty and trolling for an argument, everybody including yourself knows I was referring to day and night.
If a child can not perform during the day because of forced fasting then it is child abuse, no food or fluids even on a hot day is child abuse.
Oh and before you throw the race card again, Muslim is not a race, it is a life choice as in a chosen religion.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: Forcing a child to go all day without food and water is child abuse.[/p][/quote]It isn't all day. It is from sunrise to sunset and depending upon what time of year Ramadan falls on it could be a few hour to 12-13 hours! Lets not forget that it is not just the Muslim faith that has a period of fasting. Within the various Christian religious' we are meant to fast during daylight hours of Lent and also lets not forget that the Jewish faith of Passover also requires a period of fasting during daylight hours!! It isn't uncommon as one may think![/p][/quote]I would call that all day as in during the day.[/p][/quote]nope as a day constitutes 24 hours whilst at the height of summer there is only 10 hours between sunrise and sunset - and how many children go without food for 10 hours? - many!!!![/p][/quote]You my friend are being petty and trolling for an argument, everybody including yourself knows I was referring to day and night. If a child can not perform during the day because of forced fasting then it is child abuse, no food or fluids even on a hot day is child abuse. Oh and before you throw the race card again, Muslim is not a race, it is a life choice as in a chosen religion. mr.mark.c
  • Score: 20

8:04pm Fri 18 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

mr.mark.c wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
Forcing a child to go all day without food and water is child abuse.
It isn't all day. It is from sunrise to sunset and depending upon what time of year Ramadan falls on it could be a few hour to 12-13 hours!

Lets not forget that it is not just the Muslim faith that has a period of fasting. Within the various Christian religious' we are meant to fast during daylight hours of Lent and also lets not forget that the Jewish faith of Passover also requires a period of fasting during daylight hours!!

It isn't uncommon as one may think!
I would call that all day as in during the day.
nope as a day constitutes 24 hours whilst at the height of summer there is only 10 hours between sunrise and sunset - and how many children go without food for 10 hours? - many!!!!
You my friend are being petty and trolling for an argument, everybody including yourself knows I was referring to day and night.
If a child can not perform during the day because of forced fasting then it is child abuse, no food or fluids even on a hot day is child abuse.
Oh and before you throw the race card again, Muslim is not a race, it is a life choice as in a chosen religion.
But the fasting happens in all religion just some families are more religious than others!!

But to say it is child cruelty is beyond a joke! Religion play a massive part in many families of all religious creeds and many of these religions do have fasting as part of their scriptures of which many of these families take part in. Not just Muslim or Christian or Jewish.

Also according to the law religious fasting, under the direction of the leaders of the religion (such as papal scriptures) is not child abuse!!

The official legality of racism is: the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction, or preference based on race, colour, descent, religious or national or ethnic origin that has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: Forcing a child to go all day without food and water is child abuse.[/p][/quote]It isn't all day. It is from sunrise to sunset and depending upon what time of year Ramadan falls on it could be a few hour to 12-13 hours! Lets not forget that it is not just the Muslim faith that has a period of fasting. Within the various Christian religious' we are meant to fast during daylight hours of Lent and also lets not forget that the Jewish faith of Passover also requires a period of fasting during daylight hours!! It isn't uncommon as one may think![/p][/quote]I would call that all day as in during the day.[/p][/quote]nope as a day constitutes 24 hours whilst at the height of summer there is only 10 hours between sunrise and sunset - and how many children go without food for 10 hours? - many!!!![/p][/quote]You my friend are being petty and trolling for an argument, everybody including yourself knows I was referring to day and night. If a child can not perform during the day because of forced fasting then it is child abuse, no food or fluids even on a hot day is child abuse. Oh and before you throw the race card again, Muslim is not a race, it is a life choice as in a chosen religion.[/p][/quote]But the fasting happens in all religion just some families are more religious than others!! But to say it is child cruelty is beyond a joke! Religion play a massive part in many families of all religious creeds and many of these religions do have fasting as part of their scriptures of which many of these families take part in. Not just Muslim or Christian or Jewish. Also according to the law religious fasting, under the direction of the leaders of the religion (such as papal scriptures) is not child abuse!! The official legality of racism is: the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction, or preference based on race, colour, descent, religious or national or ethnic origin that has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life. The Righteous One
  • Score: -46

8:05pm Fri 18 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Not looking for an argument or a fight but putting the actual facts across which are different to heart-warming gestures and thoughts!
Not looking for an argument or a fight but putting the actual facts across which are different to heart-warming gestures and thoughts! The Righteous One
  • Score: -46

9:31pm Fri 18 Apr 14

mr.mark.c says...

Children are excluded from fasting unless they choose to do so.
So it's all down to choice unless the parent enforces it ;)
Children are excluded from fasting unless they choose to do so. So it's all down to choice unless the parent enforces it ;) mr.mark.c
  • Score: 7

10:27pm Fri 18 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

mr.mark.c wrote:
Children are excluded from fasting unless they choose to do so.
So it's all down to choice unless the parent enforces it ;)
Are they?

Where in the bible does it say that they are excluded from fasting?

Were in the law does it say that children are excluded from fasting?


Lets not forget, here that Ramadan is not the same every year (yes, I know that Easter is not the same time each year but set within a 2 month period) it is occurs every 9 months so in some years there can be to period of Ramadan. Again unlike in Christianity where Lent is for 44 days Maundy Thursday through to Easter Sunday (although most people say it is only 40!!!) Ramadan only lasts between 29 and 30 day - all dependent upon the moon cycle!

So basically our period of Lent is far worse than the period of Ramadan given all considerations - and before people start saying well we don't do it anymore, maybe not but there are still some very religious families that still follow the Bible and the Christian scriptures as gospel for life!!!
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: Children are excluded from fasting unless they choose to do so. So it's all down to choice unless the parent enforces it ;)[/p][/quote]Are they? Where in the bible does it say that they are excluded from fasting? Were in the law does it say that children are excluded from fasting? Lets not forget, here that Ramadan is not the same every year (yes, I know that Easter is not the same time each year but set within a 2 month period) it is occurs every 9 months so in some years there can be to period of Ramadan. Again unlike in Christianity where Lent is for 44 days Maundy Thursday through to Easter Sunday (although most people say it is only 40!!!) Ramadan only lasts between 29 and 30 day - all dependent upon the moon cycle! So basically our period of Lent is far worse than the period of Ramadan given all considerations - and before people start saying well we don't do it anymore, maybe not but there are still some very religious families that still follow the Bible and the Christian scriptures as gospel for life!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -33

11:08pm Fri 18 Apr 14

Mick England says...

Well where shall I start, ah I think I'll start by asking why our government changed the animal welfare legislation to accommodate barbaric ritual slaughter? Then I'll ask why only certain people are allowed to enter a bank with their face fully covered? Then I'll ask why some boys are allowed to go to school with short cropped hair when others are sent home? Then I'll ask why some girls are allowed to wear trousers to school when, yes you guessed it, others get sent home? Then I'll ask why some people are allowed to go on holiday during term time without fear of a fine, and why some bank's allow people to borrow money without paying interest, and why only some student get loans that are interest free, while others don't? And now this new perversion of our traditions, laws and our constitution, what a joke we all are for being afraid to question, why? Creeping sharia and islam is why, and both leave a very bitter taste in my mouth!
Well where shall I start, ah I think I'll start by asking why our government changed the animal welfare legislation to accommodate barbaric ritual slaughter? Then I'll ask why only certain people are allowed to enter a bank with their face fully covered? Then I'll ask why some boys are allowed to go to school with short cropped hair when others are sent home? Then I'll ask why some girls are allowed to wear trousers to school when, yes you guessed it, others get sent home? Then I'll ask why some people are allowed to go on holiday during term time without fear of a fine, and why some bank's allow people to borrow money without paying interest, and why only some student get loans that are interest free, while others don't? And now this new perversion of our traditions, laws and our constitution, what a joke we all are for being afraid to question, why? Creeping sharia and islam is why, and both leave a very bitter taste in my mouth! Mick England
  • Score: 20

11:09pm Fri 18 Apr 14

Tim Burr says...

mr.mark.c wrote:
Children are excluded from fasting unless they choose to do so.
So it's all down to choice unless the parent enforces it ;)
You're on the right track, there are quite a number of exclusions, the fast can be broken - the "penalty" is to give the poor a proper meal to eat. A worthy penalty?
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: Children are excluded from fasting unless they choose to do so. So it's all down to choice unless the parent enforces it ;)[/p][/quote]You're on the right track, there are quite a number of exclusions, the fast can be broken - the "penalty" is to give the poor a proper meal to eat. A worthy penalty? Tim Burr
  • Score: -31

11:10pm Fri 18 Apr 14

mr.mark.c says...

The Righteous One wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
Children are excluded from fasting unless they choose to do so.
So it's all down to choice unless the parent enforces it ;)
Are they?

Where in the bible does it say that they are excluded from fasting?

Were in the law does it say that children are excluded from fasting?


Lets not forget, here that Ramadan is not the same every year (yes, I know that Easter is not the same time each year but set within a 2 month period) it is occurs every 9 months so in some years there can be to period of Ramadan. Again unlike in Christianity where Lent is for 44 days Maundy Thursday through to Easter Sunday (although most people say it is only 40!!!) Ramadan only lasts between 29 and 30 day - all dependent upon the moon cycle!

So basically our period of Lent is far worse than the period of Ramadan given all considerations - and before people start saying well we don't do it anymore, maybe not but there are still some very religious families that still follow the Bible and the Christian scriptures as gospel for life!!!
Bible ?
Are you drinking again ?
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: Children are excluded from fasting unless they choose to do so. So it's all down to choice unless the parent enforces it ;)[/p][/quote]Are they? Where in the bible does it say that they are excluded from fasting? Were in the law does it say that children are excluded from fasting? Lets not forget, here that Ramadan is not the same every year (yes, I know that Easter is not the same time each year but set within a 2 month period) it is occurs every 9 months so in some years there can be to period of Ramadan. Again unlike in Christianity where Lent is for 44 days Maundy Thursday through to Easter Sunday (although most people say it is only 40!!!) Ramadan only lasts between 29 and 30 day - all dependent upon the moon cycle! So basically our period of Lent is far worse than the period of Ramadan given all considerations - and before people start saying well we don't do it anymore, maybe not but there are still some very religious families that still follow the Bible and the Christian scriptures as gospel for life!!![/p][/quote]Bible ? Are you drinking again ? mr.mark.c
  • Score: 5

11:23pm Fri 18 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

mr.mark.c wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
Children are excluded from fasting unless they choose to do so.
So it's all down to choice unless the parent enforces it ;)
Are they?

Where in the bible does it say that they are excluded from fasting?

Were in the law does it say that children are excluded from fasting?


Lets not forget, here that Ramadan is not the same every year (yes, I know that Easter is not the same time each year but set within a 2 month period) it is occurs every 9 months so in some years there can be to period of Ramadan. Again unlike in Christianity where Lent is for 44 days Maundy Thursday through to Easter Sunday (although most people say it is only 40!!!) Ramadan only lasts between 29 and 30 day - all dependent upon the moon cycle!

So basically our period of Lent is far worse than the period of Ramadan given all considerations - and before people start saying well we don't do it anymore, maybe not but there are still some very religious families that still follow the Bible and the Christian scriptures as gospel for life!!!
Bible ?
Are you drinking again ?
Drinking?

Read what I said!!!

Or is it that you follow the majority and are just a sheep without your own thoughts!

Yes there are families whose lives revolve around the stories of the Bible and the papal/royal religious scriptures! Just as much as those in the various Muslim faiths base their lives on the Qu'ran!
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: Children are excluded from fasting unless they choose to do so. So it's all down to choice unless the parent enforces it ;)[/p][/quote]Are they? Where in the bible does it say that they are excluded from fasting? Were in the law does it say that children are excluded from fasting? Lets not forget, here that Ramadan is not the same every year (yes, I know that Easter is not the same time each year but set within a 2 month period) it is occurs every 9 months so in some years there can be to period of Ramadan. Again unlike in Christianity where Lent is for 44 days Maundy Thursday through to Easter Sunday (although most people say it is only 40!!!) Ramadan only lasts between 29 and 30 day - all dependent upon the moon cycle! So basically our period of Lent is far worse than the period of Ramadan given all considerations - and before people start saying well we don't do it anymore, maybe not but there are still some very religious families that still follow the Bible and the Christian scriptures as gospel for life!!![/p][/quote]Bible ? Are you drinking again ?[/p][/quote]Drinking? Read what I said!!! Or is it that you follow the majority and are just a sheep without your own thoughts! Yes there are families whose lives revolve around the stories of the Bible and the papal/royal religious scriptures! Just as much as those in the various Muslim faiths base their lives on the Qu'ran! The Righteous One
  • Score: -39

11:33pm Fri 18 Apr 14

mr.mark.c says...

The Righteous One wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
Children are excluded from fasting unless they choose to do so.
So it's all down to choice unless the parent enforces it ;)
Are they?

Where in the bible does it say that they are excluded from fasting?

Were in the law does it say that children are excluded from fasting?


Lets not forget, here that Ramadan is not the same every year (yes, I know that Easter is not the same time each year but set within a 2 month period) it is occurs every 9 months so in some years there can be to period of Ramadan. Again unlike in Christianity where Lent is for 44 days Maundy Thursday through to Easter Sunday (although most people say it is only 40!!!) Ramadan only lasts between 29 and 30 day - all dependent upon the moon cycle!

So basically our period of Lent is far worse than the period of Ramadan given all considerations - and before people start saying well we don't do it anymore, maybe not but there are still some very religious families that still follow the Bible and the Christian scriptures as gospel for life!!!
Bible ?
Are you drinking again ?
Drinking?

Read what I said!!!

Or is it that you follow the majority and are just a sheep without your own thoughts!

Yes there are families whose lives revolve around the stories of the Bible and the papal/royal religious scriptures! Just as much as those in the various Muslim faiths base their lives on the Qu'ran!
You said
Where in the bible does it say that they are excluded from fasting?

All you do on this site is pick holes in comments and then hit google , give it up, it's boring.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: Children are excluded from fasting unless they choose to do so. So it's all down to choice unless the parent enforces it ;)[/p][/quote]Are they? Where in the bible does it say that they are excluded from fasting? Were in the law does it say that children are excluded from fasting? Lets not forget, here that Ramadan is not the same every year (yes, I know that Easter is not the same time each year but set within a 2 month period) it is occurs every 9 months so in some years there can be to period of Ramadan. Again unlike in Christianity where Lent is for 44 days Maundy Thursday through to Easter Sunday (although most people say it is only 40!!!) Ramadan only lasts between 29 and 30 day - all dependent upon the moon cycle! So basically our period of Lent is far worse than the period of Ramadan given all considerations - and before people start saying well we don't do it anymore, maybe not but there are still some very religious families that still follow the Bible and the Christian scriptures as gospel for life!!![/p][/quote]Bible ? Are you drinking again ?[/p][/quote]Drinking? Read what I said!!! Or is it that you follow the majority and are just a sheep without your own thoughts! Yes there are families whose lives revolve around the stories of the Bible and the papal/royal religious scriptures! Just as much as those in the various Muslim faiths base their lives on the Qu'ran![/p][/quote]You said Where in the bible does it say that they are excluded from fasting? All you do on this site is pick holes in comments and then hit google , give it up, it's boring. mr.mark.c
  • Score: 7

11:36pm Fri 18 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Mick England wrote:
Well where shall I start, ah I think I'll start by asking why our government changed the animal welfare legislation to accommodate barbaric ritual slaughter? Then I'll ask why only certain people are allowed to enter a bank with their face fully covered? Then I'll ask why some boys are allowed to go to school with short cropped hair when others are sent home? Then I'll ask why some girls are allowed to wear trousers to school when, yes you guessed it, others get sent home? Then I'll ask why some people are allowed to go on holiday during term time without fear of a fine, and why some bank's allow people to borrow money without paying interest, and why only some student get loans that are interest free, while others don't? And now this new perversion of our traditions, laws and our constitution, what a joke we all are for being afraid to question, why? Creeping sharia and islam is why, and both leave a very bitter taste in my mouth!
1. they never changed the animal welfare.

Did you know that Kosher meat is more barbaric that Halal? In Halal the anima is given a prayer before being shocked and then the throat slit whilst in Kosher meat there is no prayer and the animal throat is slit whilst still conscious - so why are you not more abhorrent about kosher meat???

2. How many motorcyclist couriers enter places with their helmets still on? How many people, during the winter months enter their place of work with the majority of their faces covered by a scarf?

4 School rules?(boys) Each school have their different set of rules - there are no universal set of rules for schools, plus in the majority of circumstances it is down to each individual case - that has never changed!

5. Again school rules (girls) - see point 4. As it is more and more schools accept girls wearing trousers as part of the uniform, which is far different than 30 years ago when no school allowed them!! Has nothing to do with religion but certain "jimmy Saville" type people around that prey on such things!

6. Every school has to follow the their own rules and the legal rules with regards to time off and there are many exceptions and some heads do turn a bind eye - nothing to do with religion!

7. ALL Banks do allow to borrow money and pay interest but some banks, according to their religious laws, have to word it differently as so not t upset their religious backers! Such as interest becomes profit and that profit is then re-invested into "buying"

8. Student loans - again it is in the wording as ALL student loans do pay interest but, again due to religious backers, some of the wording is different to work-around the religious laws.

9. Most of Sharia law is the same as Jewish law and Christian laws - in fact I would go as far as saying that 90% of it is the same, especially if you read all the texts surrounding it, considering all 3 religions originate from the same part of the world - and lets not forget that British law is basically made up from The Bible and Tanakh (Hebrew Bible)
[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote: Well where shall I start, ah I think I'll start by asking why our government changed the animal welfare legislation to accommodate barbaric ritual slaughter? Then I'll ask why only certain people are allowed to enter a bank with their face fully covered? Then I'll ask why some boys are allowed to go to school with short cropped hair when others are sent home? Then I'll ask why some girls are allowed to wear trousers to school when, yes you guessed it, others get sent home? Then I'll ask why some people are allowed to go on holiday during term time without fear of a fine, and why some bank's allow people to borrow money without paying interest, and why only some student get loans that are interest free, while others don't? And now this new perversion of our traditions, laws and our constitution, what a joke we all are for being afraid to question, why? Creeping sharia and islam is why, and both leave a very bitter taste in my mouth![/p][/quote]1. they never changed the animal welfare. Did you know that Kosher meat is more barbaric that Halal? In Halal the anima is given a prayer before being shocked and then the throat slit whilst in Kosher meat there is no prayer and the animal throat is slit whilst still conscious - so why are you not more abhorrent about kosher meat??? 2. How many motorcyclist couriers enter places with their helmets still on? How many people, during the winter months enter their place of work with the majority of their faces covered by a scarf? 4 School rules?(boys) Each school have their different set of rules - there are no universal set of rules for schools, plus in the majority of circumstances it is down to each individual case - that has never changed! 5. Again school rules (girls) - see point 4. As it is more and more schools accept girls wearing trousers as part of the uniform, which is far different than 30 years ago when no school allowed them!! Has nothing to do with religion but certain "jimmy Saville" type people around that prey on such things! 6. Every school has to follow the their own rules and the legal rules with regards to time off and there are many exceptions and some heads do turn a bind eye - nothing to do with religion! 7. ALL Banks do allow to borrow money and pay interest but some banks, according to their religious laws, have to word it differently as so not t upset their religious backers! Such as interest becomes profit and that profit is then re-invested into "buying" 8. Student loans - again it is in the wording as ALL student loans do pay interest but, again due to religious backers, some of the wording is different to work-around the religious laws. 9. Most of Sharia law is the same as Jewish law and Christian laws - in fact I would go as far as saying that 90% of it is the same, especially if you read all the texts surrounding it, considering all 3 religions originate from the same part of the world - and lets not forget that British law is basically made up from The Bible and Tanakh (Hebrew Bible) The Righteous One
  • Score: -58

11:42pm Fri 18 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

mr.mark.c wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
Children are excluded from fasting unless they choose to do so.
So it's all down to choice unless the parent enforces it ;)
Are they?

Where in the bible does it say that they are excluded from fasting?

Were in the law does it say that children are excluded from fasting?


Lets not forget, here that Ramadan is not the same every year (yes, I know that Easter is not the same time each year but set within a 2 month period) it is occurs every 9 months so in some years there can be to period of Ramadan. Again unlike in Christianity where Lent is for 44 days Maundy Thursday through to Easter Sunday (although most people say it is only 40!!!) Ramadan only lasts between 29 and 30 day - all dependent upon the moon cycle!

So basically our period of Lent is far worse than the period of Ramadan given all considerations - and before people start saying well we don't do it anymore, maybe not but there are still some very religious families that still follow the Bible and the Christian scriptures as gospel for life!!!
Bible ?
Are you drinking again ?
Drinking?

Read what I said!!!

Or is it that you follow the majority and are just a sheep without your own thoughts!

Yes there are families whose lives revolve around the stories of the Bible and the papal/royal religious scriptures! Just as much as those in the various Muslim faiths base their lives on the Qu'ran!
You said
Where in the bible does it say that they are excluded from fasting?

All you do on this site is pick holes in comments and then hit google , give it up, it's boring.
I don't hit google!!!

Just because I have read well does not mean I look up in google. Same with those who say I use wikipedia.

Is it so hard for a person to have a knowledge in many subject without the use of any internet search engines or encyclopedia! I just like learning and do have friends of differing faiths and learn from them! It is Human nature to be inquisitive and learn, or is that just a minority which includes me!!!
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: Children are excluded from fasting unless they choose to do so. So it's all down to choice unless the parent enforces it ;)[/p][/quote]Are they? Where in the bible does it say that they are excluded from fasting? Were in the law does it say that children are excluded from fasting? Lets not forget, here that Ramadan is not the same every year (yes, I know that Easter is not the same time each year but set within a 2 month period) it is occurs every 9 months so in some years there can be to period of Ramadan. Again unlike in Christianity where Lent is for 44 days Maundy Thursday through to Easter Sunday (although most people say it is only 40!!!) Ramadan only lasts between 29 and 30 day - all dependent upon the moon cycle! So basically our period of Lent is far worse than the period of Ramadan given all considerations - and before people start saying well we don't do it anymore, maybe not but there are still some very religious families that still follow the Bible and the Christian scriptures as gospel for life!!![/p][/quote]Bible ? Are you drinking again ?[/p][/quote]Drinking? Read what I said!!! Or is it that you follow the majority and are just a sheep without your own thoughts! Yes there are families whose lives revolve around the stories of the Bible and the papal/royal religious scriptures! Just as much as those in the various Muslim faiths base their lives on the Qu'ran![/p][/quote]You said Where in the bible does it say that they are excluded from fasting? All you do on this site is pick holes in comments and then hit google , give it up, it's boring.[/p][/quote]I don't hit google!!! Just because I have read well does not mean I look up in google. Same with those who say I use wikipedia. Is it so hard for a person to have a knowledge in many subject without the use of any internet search engines or encyclopedia! I just like learning and do have friends of differing faiths and learn from them! It is Human nature to be inquisitive and learn, or is that just a minority which includes me!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -44

12:16am Sat 19 Apr 14

mr.mark.c says...

The Righteous One wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
Children are excluded from fasting unless they choose to do so.
So it's all down to choice unless the parent enforces it ;)
Are they?

Where in the bible does it say that they are excluded from fasting?

Were in the law does it say that children are excluded from fasting?


Lets not forget, here that Ramadan is not the same every year (yes, I know that Easter is not the same time each year but set within a 2 month period) it is occurs every 9 months so in some years there can be to period of Ramadan. Again unlike in Christianity where Lent is for 44 days Maundy Thursday through to Easter Sunday (although most people say it is only 40!!!) Ramadan only lasts between 29 and 30 day - all dependent upon the moon cycle!

So basically our period of Lent is far worse than the period of Ramadan given all considerations - and before people start saying well we don't do it anymore, maybe not but there are still some very religious families that still follow the Bible and the Christian scriptures as gospel for life!!!
Bible ?
Are you drinking again ?
Drinking?

Read what I said!!!

Or is it that you follow the majority and are just a sheep without your own thoughts!

Yes there are families whose lives revolve around the stories of the Bible and the papal/royal religious scriptures! Just as much as those in the various Muslim faiths base their lives on the Qu'ran!
You said
Where in the bible does it say that they are excluded from fasting?

All you do on this site is pick holes in comments and then hit google , give it up, it's boring.
I don't hit google!!!

Just because I have read well does not mean I look up in google. Same with those who say I use wikipedia.

Is it so hard for a person to have a knowledge in many subject without the use of any internet search engines or encyclopedia! I just like learning and do have friends of differing faiths and learn from them! It is Human nature to be inquisitive and learn, or is that just a minority which includes me!!!
So you know every bus route from memory, you know all religious practice from memory, you know all road works pending from memory ?
You admitted many months ago that you research your answers and have proved so by trawling old BN posts and pasting them into here.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: Children are excluded from fasting unless they choose to do so. So it's all down to choice unless the parent enforces it ;)[/p][/quote]Are they? Where in the bible does it say that they are excluded from fasting? Were in the law does it say that children are excluded from fasting? Lets not forget, here that Ramadan is not the same every year (yes, I know that Easter is not the same time each year but set within a 2 month period) it is occurs every 9 months so in some years there can be to period of Ramadan. Again unlike in Christianity where Lent is for 44 days Maundy Thursday through to Easter Sunday (although most people say it is only 40!!!) Ramadan only lasts between 29 and 30 day - all dependent upon the moon cycle! So basically our period of Lent is far worse than the period of Ramadan given all considerations - and before people start saying well we don't do it anymore, maybe not but there are still some very religious families that still follow the Bible and the Christian scriptures as gospel for life!!![/p][/quote]Bible ? Are you drinking again ?[/p][/quote]Drinking? Read what I said!!! Or is it that you follow the majority and are just a sheep without your own thoughts! Yes there are families whose lives revolve around the stories of the Bible and the papal/royal religious scriptures! Just as much as those in the various Muslim faiths base their lives on the Qu'ran![/p][/quote]You said Where in the bible does it say that they are excluded from fasting? All you do on this site is pick holes in comments and then hit google , give it up, it's boring.[/p][/quote]I don't hit google!!! Just because I have read well does not mean I look up in google. Same with those who say I use wikipedia. Is it so hard for a person to have a knowledge in many subject without the use of any internet search engines or encyclopedia! I just like learning and do have friends of differing faiths and learn from them! It is Human nature to be inquisitive and learn, or is that just a minority which includes me!!![/p][/quote]So you know every bus route from memory, you know all religious practice from memory, you know all road works pending from memory ? You admitted many months ago that you research your answers and have proved so by trawling old BN posts and pasting them into here. mr.mark.c
  • Score: 2

8:23am Sat 19 Apr 14

Mick England says...

I think you'll find your wrong again, meat is deemed haraam if stunning is involved in any way. In the UK there are two regulators of lawful meat, the 'halal food authority' (HFA) and the 'halal monitoring committee' (HMC) and only the meat that is passed by the HMC is deemed halal, as it isn't stunned. The HFA claim that the meat they pass is stunned which renders it haraam to every muslim, thats what we buy in our supermarkets. So get your facts right!
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I think you'll find your wrong again, meat is deemed haraam if stunning is involved in any way. In the UK there are two regulators of lawful meat, the 'halal food authority' (HFA) and the 'halal monitoring committee' (HMC) and only the meat that is passed by the HMC is deemed halal, as it isn't stunned. The HFA claim that the meat they pass is stunned which renders it haraam to every muslim, thats what we buy in our supermarkets. So get your facts right! . standup4islam.wordpr ess.com/2013/04/06/h alaal-food-hmc-vs-hf a/ Mick England
  • Score: 2

8:42am Sat 19 Apr 14

Mick England says...

I think you'll also find that the legislation demands that animals be stunned before they are killed - by electrocution, gassing, or shooting retractable rods into their brains - but there are exemptions for animals to be killed according to muslim traditions, without stunning them first.
I think you'll also find that the legislation demands that animals be stunned before they are killed - by electrocution, gassing, or shooting retractable rods into their brains - but there are exemptions for animals to be killed according to muslim traditions, without stunning them first. Mick England
  • Score: 40

12:46pm Sat 19 Apr 14

Southfield 62 says...

I worked in the middle east thru the ramadan period and learned one or 2 things. Firstly, children do not need to fast. They can choose to give up somthing else like their mobile fone or cinima visits etc. Secondly whilst ramadan is a peroid of time during the year, it can be taken at another time. For example. A pregnant woman will not fast during ramadan but will fast at a later period. Therefore do we really need to move these exams when there are alternatives within the muslim culture.
I worked in the middle east thru the ramadan period and learned one or 2 things. Firstly, children do not need to fast. They can choose to give up somthing else like their mobile fone or cinima visits etc. Secondly whilst ramadan is a peroid of time during the year, it can be taken at another time. For example. A pregnant woman will not fast during ramadan but will fast at a later period. Therefore do we really need to move these exams when there are alternatives within the muslim culture. Southfield 62
  • Score: 43

1:30pm Sat 19 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

mr.mark.c wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
Children are excluded from fasting unless they choose to do so.
So it's all down to choice unless the parent enforces it ;)
Are they?

Where in the bible does it say that they are excluded from fasting?

Were in the law does it say that children are excluded from fasting?


Lets not forget, here that Ramadan is not the same every year (yes, I know that Easter is not the same time each year but set within a 2 month period) it is occurs every 9 months so in some years there can be to period of Ramadan. Again unlike in Christianity where Lent is for 44 days Maundy Thursday through to Easter Sunday (although most people say it is only 40!!!) Ramadan only lasts between 29 and 30 day - all dependent upon the moon cycle!

So basically our period of Lent is far worse than the period of Ramadan given all considerations - and before people start saying well we don't do it anymore, maybe not but there are still some very religious families that still follow the Bible and the Christian scriptures as gospel for life!!!
Bible ?
Are you drinking again ?
Drinking?

Read what I said!!!

Or is it that you follow the majority and are just a sheep without your own thoughts!

Yes there are families whose lives revolve around the stories of the Bible and the papal/royal religious scriptures! Just as much as those in the various Muslim faiths base their lives on the Qu'ran!
You said
Where in the bible does it say that they are excluded from fasting?

All you do on this site is pick holes in comments and then hit google , give it up, it's boring.
I don't hit google!!!

Just because I have read well does not mean I look up in google. Same with those who say I use wikipedia.

Is it so hard for a person to have a knowledge in many subject without the use of any internet search engines or encyclopedia! I just like learning and do have friends of differing faiths and learn from them! It is Human nature to be inquisitive and learn, or is that just a minority which includes me!!!
So you know every bus route from memory, you know all religious practice from memory, you know all road works pending from memory ?
You admitted many months ago that you research your answers and have proved so by trawling old BN posts and pasting them into here.
DId I, or was that you assuming that I did and you are now believing your own lies!!

Say the lies long enough and they become believable for the person saying them - self brain-washing!!


Yes I do my research but it is not all through texts but it is aloss real life, frineds, and what I have seen with my own eyes.


As for Halal meat, there was a report on this about 2 months ago on both BBC Breakfast and BBC NWT that showed how they treat their animal for slaughter and the differences between Halal and Kosher (which previously I assumed were done the same way). Kosher meat is far more inhumane that Halal and yet no one ever says anything it, why not? Frightened of upsetting the Jewish faith?
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: Children are excluded from fasting unless they choose to do so. So it's all down to choice unless the parent enforces it ;)[/p][/quote]Are they? Where in the bible does it say that they are excluded from fasting? Were in the law does it say that children are excluded from fasting? Lets not forget, here that Ramadan is not the same every year (yes, I know that Easter is not the same time each year but set within a 2 month period) it is occurs every 9 months so in some years there can be to period of Ramadan. Again unlike in Christianity where Lent is for 44 days Maundy Thursday through to Easter Sunday (although most people say it is only 40!!!) Ramadan only lasts between 29 and 30 day - all dependent upon the moon cycle! So basically our period of Lent is far worse than the period of Ramadan given all considerations - and before people start saying well we don't do it anymore, maybe not but there are still some very religious families that still follow the Bible and the Christian scriptures as gospel for life!!![/p][/quote]Bible ? Are you drinking again ?[/p][/quote]Drinking? Read what I said!!! Or is it that you follow the majority and are just a sheep without your own thoughts! Yes there are families whose lives revolve around the stories of the Bible and the papal/royal religious scriptures! Just as much as those in the various Muslim faiths base their lives on the Qu'ran![/p][/quote]You said Where in the bible does it say that they are excluded from fasting? All you do on this site is pick holes in comments and then hit google , give it up, it's boring.[/p][/quote]I don't hit google!!! Just because I have read well does not mean I look up in google. Same with those who say I use wikipedia. Is it so hard for a person to have a knowledge in many subject without the use of any internet search engines or encyclopedia! I just like learning and do have friends of differing faiths and learn from them! It is Human nature to be inquisitive and learn, or is that just a minority which includes me!!![/p][/quote]So you know every bus route from memory, you know all religious practice from memory, you know all road works pending from memory ? You admitted many months ago that you research your answers and have proved so by trawling old BN posts and pasting them into here.[/p][/quote]DId I, or was that you assuming that I did and you are now believing your own lies!! Say the lies long enough and they become believable for the person saying them - self brain-washing!! Yes I do my research but it is not all through texts but it is aloss real life, frineds, and what I have seen with my own eyes. As for Halal meat, there was a report on this about 2 months ago on both BBC Breakfast and BBC NWT that showed how they treat their animal for slaughter and the differences between Halal and Kosher (which previously I assumed were done the same way). Kosher meat is far more inhumane that Halal and yet no one ever says anything it, why not? Frightened of upsetting the Jewish faith? The Righteous One
  • Score: -33

1:37pm Sat 19 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

And with regards to Islamic loans etc etc etc I actually dealt with quite a few of these during my time when I worked for a high street bank!

What basically happens is that the "bank2 buy the product, puts it in the name of the person/company wanting it and rents it to the company - that way any profit is not against their religion and the banks has money coming in, including interest, and has security to recover the losses when if anything went belly-up.

In fact, to be frankly honest, it is a much safer system than our current "gambling" method of banking!!! Even the Pope thinks it is better, and I never thought I would ever agree with that religious despot!!
And with regards to Islamic loans etc etc etc I actually dealt with quite a few of these during my time when I worked for a high street bank! What basically happens is that the "bank2 buy the product, puts it in the name of the person/company wanting it and rents it to the company - that way any profit is not against their religion and the banks has money coming in, including interest, and has security to recover the losses when if anything went belly-up. In fact, to be frankly honest, it is a much safer system than our current "gambling" method of banking!!! Even the Pope thinks it is better, and I never thought I would ever agree with that religious despot!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -31

5:18pm Sat 19 Apr 14

Mick England says...

Can you explain why in the whole history of our justice system why no-one has ever been allowed into the court with their face covered? Well that was the case at least until recently when two women again from this so called religion, demanded privileged status by demanding to wear the niqab in court! We bend over backwards to tolerate the intolerant, and have done for years. What a joke, a two tier set of rules in a country that has only one.
Can you explain why in the whole history of our justice system why no-one has ever been allowed into the court with their face covered? Well that was the case at least until recently when two women again from this so called religion, demanded privileged status by demanding to wear the niqab in court! We bend over backwards to tolerate the intolerant, and have done for years. What a joke, a two tier set of rules in a country that has only one. Mick England
  • Score: 7

11:02pm Sat 19 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Mick England wrote:
Can you explain why in the whole history of our justice system why no-one has ever been allowed into the court with their face covered? Well that was the case at least until recently when two women again from this so called religion, demanded privileged status by demanding to wear the niqab in court! We bend over backwards to tolerate the intolerant, and have done for years. What a joke, a two tier set of rules in a country that has only one.
Witches and warlocks were allowed to have their faces covered, by the way!!!

In fact quite a few sects of the community were, and still are if requested, allowed to be covered whilst at court.

Also lets not forget those in protective custody and whose identity have to be protected - they are covered as well!!!

Nothing new!!!
[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote: Can you explain why in the whole history of our justice system why no-one has ever been allowed into the court with their face covered? Well that was the case at least until recently when two women again from this so called religion, demanded privileged status by demanding to wear the niqab in court! We bend over backwards to tolerate the intolerant, and have done for years. What a joke, a two tier set of rules in a country that has only one.[/p][/quote]Witches and warlocks were allowed to have their faces covered, by the way!!! In fact quite a few sects of the community were, and still are if requested, allowed to be covered whilst at court. Also lets not forget those in protective custody and whose identity have to be protected - they are covered as well!!! Nothing new!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -52

11:03pm Sat 19 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Basically it a case of "if you not ask you do not get" and the majority of people do not ask, and as such do not get - just because they think it is wrong to ask!
Basically it a case of "if you not ask you do not get" and the majority of people do not ask, and as such do not get - just because they think it is wrong to ask! The Righteous One
  • Score: -34

11:24pm Sat 19 Apr 14

Dr Doo Little says...

David 1957 wrote:
No This is England Not a muslim country. Would they change the rules for us
in Pakistan etc.
who is "us." You have no idea which breed you belong too...
Its called human rights in case you been away, its why WE pay £48 million a day.
[quote][p][bold]David 1957[/bold] wrote: No This is England Not a muslim country. Would they change the rules for us in Pakistan etc.[/p][/quote]who is "us." You have no idea which breed you belong too... Its called human rights in case you been away, its why WE pay £48 million a day. Dr Doo Little
  • Score: -16

11:30pm Sat 19 Apr 14

Dr Doo Little says...

Wolfie190 wrote:
Why dont we just put the Pakistan flag on Buckingham palace and have done with it... I'm sure it will please our spineless politicians.
We don't want to upset our neighboring friends now do we? Saudis, Turkish, Indians, Indonesians, Malaysians, Chinese, Italians, Bulgarians, Spanish
Africans and Norwegians.
Get over it!
"Its a FREE Country"
[quote][p][bold]Wolfie190[/bold] wrote: Why dont we just put the Pakistan flag on Buckingham palace and have done with it... I'm sure it will please our spineless politicians.[/p][/quote]We don't want to upset our neighboring friends now do we? Saudis, Turkish, Indians, Indonesians, Malaysians, Chinese, Italians, Bulgarians, Spanish Africans and Norwegians. Get over it! "Its a FREE Country" Dr Doo Little
  • Score: -49

11:40pm Sat 19 Apr 14

mr.mark.c says...

Dr Doo Little wrote:
Wolfie190 wrote:
Why dont we just put the Pakistan flag on Buckingham palace and have done with it... I'm sure it will please our spineless politicians.
We don't want to upset our neighboring friends now do we? Saudis, Turkish, Indians, Indonesians, Malaysians, Chinese, Italians, Bulgarians, Spanish
Africans and Norwegians.
Get over it!
"Its a FREE Country"
It's only FREE for the immigrants.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Doo Little[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wolfie190[/bold] wrote: Why dont we just put the Pakistan flag on Buckingham palace and have done with it... I'm sure it will please our spineless politicians.[/p][/quote]We don't want to upset our neighboring friends now do we? Saudis, Turkish, Indians, Indonesians, Malaysians, Chinese, Italians, Bulgarians, Spanish Africans and Norwegians. Get over it! "Its a FREE Country"[/p][/quote]It's only FREE for the immigrants. mr.mark.c
  • Score: 21

11:51pm Sat 19 Apr 14

Dr Doo Little says...

mr.mark.c wrote:
Dr Doo Little wrote:
Wolfie190 wrote:
Why dont we just put the Pakistan flag on Buckingham palace and have done with it... I'm sure it will please our spineless politicians.
We don't want to upset our neighboring friends now do we? Saudis, Turkish, Indians, Indonesians, Malaysians, Chinese, Italians, Bulgarians, Spanish
Africans and Norwegians.
Get over it!
"Its a FREE Country"
It's only FREE for the immigrants.
At least these immigrants have a passport... Usually the Visa is the problem(for the confused ones).
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Doo Little[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wolfie190[/bold] wrote: Why dont we just put the Pakistan flag on Buckingham palace and have done with it... I'm sure it will please our spineless politicians.[/p][/quote]We don't want to upset our neighboring friends now do we? Saudis, Turkish, Indians, Indonesians, Malaysians, Chinese, Italians, Bulgarians, Spanish Africans and Norwegians. Get over it! "Its a FREE Country"[/p][/quote]It's only FREE for the immigrants.[/p][/quote]At least these immigrants have a passport... Usually the Visa is the problem(for the confused ones). Dr Doo Little
  • Score: -14

12:07am Sun 20 Apr 14

Dr Doo Little says...

The Righteous One wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
Children are excluded from fasting unless they choose to do so.
So it's all down to choice unless the parent enforces it ;)
Are they?

Where in the bible does it say that they are excluded from fasting?

Were in the law does it say that children are excluded from fasting?


Lets not forget, here that Ramadan is not the same every year (yes, I know that Easter is not the same time each year but set within a 2 month period) it is occurs every 9 months so in some years there can be to period of Ramadan. Again unlike in Christianity where Lent is for 44 days Maundy Thursday through to Easter Sunday (although most people say it is only 40!!!) Ramadan only lasts between 29 and 30 day - all dependent upon the moon cycle!

So basically our period of Lent is far worse than the period of Ramadan given all considerations - and before people start saying well we don't do it anymore, maybe not but there are still some very religious families that still follow the Bible and the Christian scriptures as gospel for life!!!
Bible ?
Are you drinking again ?
Drinking?

Read what I said!!!

Or is it that you follow the majority and are just a sheep without your own thoughts!

Yes there are families whose lives revolve around the stories of the Bible and the papal/royal religious scriptures! Just as much as those in the various Muslim faiths base their lives on the Qu'ran!
You said
Where in the bible does it say that they are excluded from fasting?

All you do on this site is pick holes in comments and then hit google , give it up, it's boring.
I don't hit google!!!

Just because I have read well does not mean I look up in google. Same with those who say I use wikipedia.

Is it so hard for a person to have a knowledge in many subject without the use of any internet search engines or encyclopedia! I just like learning and do have friends of differing faiths and learn from them! It is Human nature to be inquisitive and learn, or is that just a minority which includes me!!!
So you know every bus route from memory, you know all religious practice from memory, you know all road works pending from memory ?
You admitted many months ago that you research your answers and have proved so by trawling old BN posts and pasting them into here.
DId I, or was that you assuming that I did and you are now believing your own lies!!

Say the lies long enough and they become believable for the person saying them - self brain-washing!!


Yes I do my research but it is not all through texts but it is aloss real life, frineds, and what I have seen with my own eyes.


As for Halal meat, there was a report on this about 2 months ago on both BBC Breakfast and BBC NWT that showed how they treat their animal for slaughter and the differences between Halal and Kosher (which previously I assumed were done the same way). Kosher meat is far more inhumane that Halal and yet no one ever says anything it, why not? Frightened of upsetting the Jewish faith?
Majority of Boltonians are ZIONS!
English DO NOT own England.
Yesssss its spoken worldwide only because so called "The English" cannot speak the language of the country they are visiting, so to accommodate and deliver the perfect hospitality those brainy foreign people decided to learn English.
So who's bent over backwards?
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: Children are excluded from fasting unless they choose to do so. So it's all down to choice unless the parent enforces it ;)[/p][/quote]Are they? Where in the bible does it say that they are excluded from fasting? Were in the law does it say that children are excluded from fasting? Lets not forget, here that Ramadan is not the same every year (yes, I know that Easter is not the same time each year but set within a 2 month period) it is occurs every 9 months so in some years there can be to period of Ramadan. Again unlike in Christianity where Lent is for 44 days Maundy Thursday through to Easter Sunday (although most people say it is only 40!!!) Ramadan only lasts between 29 and 30 day - all dependent upon the moon cycle! So basically our period of Lent is far worse than the period of Ramadan given all considerations - and before people start saying well we don't do it anymore, maybe not but there are still some very religious families that still follow the Bible and the Christian scriptures as gospel for life!!![/p][/quote]Bible ? Are you drinking again ?[/p][/quote]Drinking? Read what I said!!! Or is it that you follow the majority and are just a sheep without your own thoughts! Yes there are families whose lives revolve around the stories of the Bible and the papal/royal religious scriptures! Just as much as those in the various Muslim faiths base their lives on the Qu'ran![/p][/quote]You said Where in the bible does it say that they are excluded from fasting? All you do on this site is pick holes in comments and then hit google , give it up, it's boring.[/p][/quote]I don't hit google!!! Just because I have read well does not mean I look up in google. Same with those who say I use wikipedia. Is it so hard for a person to have a knowledge in many subject without the use of any internet search engines or encyclopedia! I just like learning and do have friends of differing faiths and learn from them! It is Human nature to be inquisitive and learn, or is that just a minority which includes me!!![/p][/quote]So you know every bus route from memory, you know all religious practice from memory, you know all road works pending from memory ? You admitted many months ago that you research your answers and have proved so by trawling old BN posts and pasting them into here.[/p][/quote]DId I, or was that you assuming that I did and you are now believing your own lies!! Say the lies long enough and they become believable for the person saying them - self brain-washing!! Yes I do my research but it is not all through texts but it is aloss real life, frineds, and what I have seen with my own eyes. As for Halal meat, there was a report on this about 2 months ago on both BBC Breakfast and BBC NWT that showed how they treat their animal for slaughter and the differences between Halal and Kosher (which previously I assumed were done the same way). Kosher meat is far more inhumane that Halal and yet no one ever says anything it, why not? Frightened of upsetting the Jewish faith?[/p][/quote]Majority of Boltonians are ZIONS! English DO NOT own England. Yesssss its spoken worldwide only because so called "The English" cannot speak the language of the country they are visiting, so to accommodate and deliver the perfect hospitality those brainy foreign people decided to learn English. So who's bent over backwards? Dr Doo Little
  • Score: -40

1:35pm Mon 21 Apr 14

Donkey Stone says...

Wolfie190 wrote:
Why dont we just put the Pakistan flag on Buckingham palace and have done with it... I'm sure it will please our spineless politicians.
And replace the German one?
[quote][p][bold]Wolfie190[/bold] wrote: Why dont we just put the Pakistan flag on Buckingham palace and have done with it... I'm sure it will please our spineless politicians.[/p][/quote]And replace the German one? Donkey Stone
  • Score: 2

12:23pm Thu 24 Apr 14

johnnyjackson says...

Mick England wrote:
Well where shall I start, ah I think I'll start by asking why our government changed the animal welfare legislation to accommodate barbaric ritual slaughter? Then I'll ask why only certain people are allowed to enter a bank with their face fully covered? Then I'll ask why some boys are allowed to go to school with short cropped hair when others are sent home? Then I'll ask why some girls are allowed to wear trousers to school when, yes you guessed it, others get sent home? Then I'll ask why some people are allowed to go on holiday during term time without fear of a fine, and why some bank's allow people to borrow money without paying interest, and why only some student get loans that are interest free, while others don't? And now this new perversion of our traditions, laws and our constitution, what a joke we all are for being afraid to question, why? Creeping sharia and islam is why, and both leave a very bitter taste in my mouth!
Idiot.
[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote: Well where shall I start, ah I think I'll start by asking why our government changed the animal welfare legislation to accommodate barbaric ritual slaughter? Then I'll ask why only certain people are allowed to enter a bank with their face fully covered? Then I'll ask why some boys are allowed to go to school with short cropped hair when others are sent home? Then I'll ask why some girls are allowed to wear trousers to school when, yes you guessed it, others get sent home? Then I'll ask why some people are allowed to go on holiday during term time without fear of a fine, and why some bank's allow people to borrow money without paying interest, and why only some student get loans that are interest free, while others don't? And now this new perversion of our traditions, laws and our constitution, what a joke we all are for being afraid to question, why? Creeping sharia and islam is why, and both leave a very bitter taste in my mouth![/p][/quote]Idiot. johnnyjackson
  • Score: -35

5:19pm Thu 24 Apr 14

StartMeUp says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Mick England wrote:
Well where shall I start, ah I think I'll start by asking why our government changed the animal welfare legislation to accommodate barbaric ritual slaughter? Then I'll ask why only certain people are allowed to enter a bank with their face fully covered? Then I'll ask why some boys are allowed to go to school with short cropped hair when others are sent home? Then I'll ask why some girls are allowed to wear trousers to school when, yes you guessed it, others get sent home? Then I'll ask why some people are allowed to go on holiday during term time without fear of a fine, and why some bank's allow people to borrow money without paying interest, and why only some student get loans that are interest free, while others don't? And now this new perversion of our traditions, laws and our constitution, what a joke we all are for being afraid to question, why? Creeping sharia and islam is why, and both leave a very bitter taste in my mouth!
1. they never changed the animal welfare.

Did you know that Kosher meat is more barbaric that Halal? In Halal the anima is given a prayer before being shocked and then the throat slit whilst in Kosher meat there is no prayer and the animal throat is slit whilst still conscious - so why are you not more abhorrent about kosher meat???

2. How many motorcyclist couriers enter places with their helmets still on? How many people, during the winter months enter their place of work with the majority of their faces covered by a scarf?

4 School rules?(boys) Each school have their different set of rules - there are no universal set of rules for schools, plus in the majority of circumstances it is down to each individual case - that has never changed!

5. Again school rules (girls) - see point 4. As it is more and more schools accept girls wearing trousers as part of the uniform, which is far different than 30 years ago when no school allowed them!! Has nothing to do with religion but certain "jimmy Saville" type people around that prey on such things!

6. Every school has to follow the their own rules and the legal rules with regards to time off and there are many exceptions and some heads do turn a bind eye - nothing to do with religion!

7. ALL Banks do allow to borrow money and pay interest but some banks, according to their religious laws, have to word it differently as so not t upset their religious backers! Such as interest becomes profit and that profit is then re-invested into "buying"

8. Student loans - again it is in the wording as ALL student loans do pay interest but, again due to religious backers, some of the wording is different to work-around the religious laws.

9. Most of Sharia law is the same as Jewish law and Christian laws - in fact I would go as far as saying that 90% of it is the same, especially if you read all the texts surrounding it, considering all 3 religions originate from the same part of the world - and lets not forget that British law is basically made up from The Bible and Tanakh (Hebrew Bible)
> "Did you know that Kosher meat is more barbaric that Halal? In Halal the anima is given a prayer before being shocked and then the throat slit whilst in Kosher meat there is no prayer and the animal throat is slit whilst still conscious"

Laughing my tits off at the idea that a prayer makes a difference when stabbing a sheep to death.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote: Well where shall I start, ah I think I'll start by asking why our government changed the animal welfare legislation to accommodate barbaric ritual slaughter? Then I'll ask why only certain people are allowed to enter a bank with their face fully covered? Then I'll ask why some boys are allowed to go to school with short cropped hair when others are sent home? Then I'll ask why some girls are allowed to wear trousers to school when, yes you guessed it, others get sent home? Then I'll ask why some people are allowed to go on holiday during term time without fear of a fine, and why some bank's allow people to borrow money without paying interest, and why only some student get loans that are interest free, while others don't? And now this new perversion of our traditions, laws and our constitution, what a joke we all are for being afraid to question, why? Creeping sharia and islam is why, and both leave a very bitter taste in my mouth![/p][/quote]1. they never changed the animal welfare. Did you know that Kosher meat is more barbaric that Halal? In Halal the anima is given a prayer before being shocked and then the throat slit whilst in Kosher meat there is no prayer and the animal throat is slit whilst still conscious - so why are you not more abhorrent about kosher meat??? 2. How many motorcyclist couriers enter places with their helmets still on? How many people, during the winter months enter their place of work with the majority of their faces covered by a scarf? 4 School rules?(boys) Each school have their different set of rules - there are no universal set of rules for schools, plus in the majority of circumstances it is down to each individual case - that has never changed! 5. Again school rules (girls) - see point 4. As it is more and more schools accept girls wearing trousers as part of the uniform, which is far different than 30 years ago when no school allowed them!! Has nothing to do with religion but certain "jimmy Saville" type people around that prey on such things! 6. Every school has to follow the their own rules and the legal rules with regards to time off and there are many exceptions and some heads do turn a bind eye - nothing to do with religion! 7. ALL Banks do allow to borrow money and pay interest but some banks, according to their religious laws, have to word it differently as so not t upset their religious backers! Such as interest becomes profit and that profit is then re-invested into "buying" 8. Student loans - again it is in the wording as ALL student loans do pay interest but, again due to religious backers, some of the wording is different to work-around the religious laws. 9. Most of Sharia law is the same as Jewish law and Christian laws - in fact I would go as far as saying that 90% of it is the same, especially if you read all the texts surrounding it, considering all 3 religions originate from the same part of the world - and lets not forget that British law is basically made up from The Bible and Tanakh (Hebrew Bible)[/p][/quote]> "Did you know that Kosher meat is more barbaric that Halal? In Halal the anima is given a prayer before being shocked and then the throat slit whilst in Kosher meat there is no prayer and the animal throat is slit whilst still conscious" Laughing my tits off at the idea that a prayer makes a difference when stabbing a sheep to death. StartMeUp
  • Score: 1

5:49pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Greasy Chip Butty says...

Well done to the Unions for raising the matter. If it means an improvement in exam results, which is what is desperately needed in Bolton, then why not consider some options and proposals.
They are hardly calling for sharia law are they?
Well done to the Unions for raising the matter. If it means an improvement in exam results, which is what is desperately needed in Bolton, then why not consider some options and proposals. They are hardly calling for sharia law are they? Greasy Chip Butty
  • Score: -1

10:29pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Smeagol says...

There is too much involvement of religion in education if you ask me. I think different religions should be taught as an area of interest, but not be involved in the ethos or running of schools or the education system.
There is too much involvement of religion in education if you ask me. I think different religions should be taught as an area of interest, but not be involved in the ethos or running of schools or the education system. Smeagol
  • Score: -3

9:06am Fri 25 Apr 14

liznotthequeen says...

StartMeUp wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Mick England wrote:
Well where shall I start, ah I think I'll start by asking why our government changed the animal welfare legislation to accommodate barbaric ritual slaughter? Then I'll ask why only certain people are allowed to enter a bank with their face fully covered? Then I'll ask why some boys are allowed to go to school with short cropped hair when others are sent home? Then I'll ask why some girls are allowed to wear trousers to school when, yes you guessed it, others get sent home? Then I'll ask why some people are allowed to go on holiday during term time without fear of a fine, and why some bank's allow people to borrow money without paying interest, and why only some student get loans that are interest free, while others don't? And now this new perversion of our traditions, laws and our constitution, what a joke we all are for being afraid to question, why? Creeping sharia and islam is why, and both leave a very bitter taste in my mouth!
1. they never changed the animal welfare.

Did you know that Kosher meat is more barbaric that Halal? In Halal the anima is given a prayer before being shocked and then the throat slit whilst in Kosher meat there is no prayer and the animal throat is slit whilst still conscious - so why are you not more abhorrent about kosher meat???

2. How many motorcyclist couriers enter places with their helmets still on? How many people, during the winter months enter their place of work with the majority of their faces covered by a scarf?

4 School rules?(boys) Each school have their different set of rules - there are no universal set of rules for schools, plus in the majority of circumstances it is down to each individual case - that has never changed!

5. Again school rules (girls) - see point 4. As it is more and more schools accept girls wearing trousers as part of the uniform, which is far different than 30 years ago when no school allowed them!! Has nothing to do with religion but certain "jimmy Saville" type people around that prey on such things!

6. Every school has to follow the their own rules and the legal rules with regards to time off and there are many exceptions and some heads do turn a bind eye - nothing to do with religion!

7. ALL Banks do allow to borrow money and pay interest but some banks, according to their religious laws, have to word it differently as so not t upset their religious backers! Such as interest becomes profit and that profit is then re-invested into "buying"

8. Student loans - again it is in the wording as ALL student loans do pay interest but, again due to religious backers, some of the wording is different to work-around the religious laws.

9. Most of Sharia law is the same as Jewish law and Christian laws - in fact I would go as far as saying that 90% of it is the same, especially if you read all the texts surrounding it, considering all 3 religions originate from the same part of the world - and lets not forget that British law is basically made up from The Bible and Tanakh (Hebrew Bible)
> "Did you know that Kosher meat is more barbaric that Halal? In Halal the anima is given a prayer before being shocked and then the throat slit whilst in Kosher meat there is no prayer and the animal throat is slit whilst still conscious"

Laughing my tits off at the idea that a prayer makes a difference when stabbing a sheep to death.
Ok this is the scenario .... Your hanging upside down by one leg absolutely terrified ... The executioner says he is going to slit your throat, then gives you a choice, you can be stunned or He can shout a prayer down your earhole .....enough said ! !
[quote][p][bold]StartMeUp[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote: Well where shall I start, ah I think I'll start by asking why our government changed the animal welfare legislation to accommodate barbaric ritual slaughter? Then I'll ask why only certain people are allowed to enter a bank with their face fully covered? Then I'll ask why some boys are allowed to go to school with short cropped hair when others are sent home? Then I'll ask why some girls are allowed to wear trousers to school when, yes you guessed it, others get sent home? Then I'll ask why some people are allowed to go on holiday during term time without fear of a fine, and why some bank's allow people to borrow money without paying interest, and why only some student get loans that are interest free, while others don't? And now this new perversion of our traditions, laws and our constitution, what a joke we all are for being afraid to question, why? Creeping sharia and islam is why, and both leave a very bitter taste in my mouth![/p][/quote]1. they never changed the animal welfare. Did you know that Kosher meat is more barbaric that Halal? In Halal the anima is given a prayer before being shocked and then the throat slit whilst in Kosher meat there is no prayer and the animal throat is slit whilst still conscious - so why are you not more abhorrent about kosher meat??? 2. How many motorcyclist couriers enter places with their helmets still on? How many people, during the winter months enter their place of work with the majority of their faces covered by a scarf? 4 School rules?(boys) Each school have their different set of rules - there are no universal set of rules for schools, plus in the majority of circumstances it is down to each individual case - that has never changed! 5. Again school rules (girls) - see point 4. As it is more and more schools accept girls wearing trousers as part of the uniform, which is far different than 30 years ago when no school allowed them!! Has nothing to do with religion but certain "jimmy Saville" type people around that prey on such things! 6. Every school has to follow the their own rules and the legal rules with regards to time off and there are many exceptions and some heads do turn a bind eye - nothing to do with religion! 7. ALL Banks do allow to borrow money and pay interest but some banks, according to their religious laws, have to word it differently as so not t upset their religious backers! Such as interest becomes profit and that profit is then re-invested into "buying" 8. Student loans - again it is in the wording as ALL student loans do pay interest but, again due to religious backers, some of the wording is different to work-around the religious laws. 9. Most of Sharia law is the same as Jewish law and Christian laws - in fact I would go as far as saying that 90% of it is the same, especially if you read all the texts surrounding it, considering all 3 religions originate from the same part of the world - and lets not forget that British law is basically made up from The Bible and Tanakh (Hebrew Bible)[/p][/quote]> "Did you know that Kosher meat is more barbaric that Halal? In Halal the anima is given a prayer before being shocked and then the throat slit whilst in Kosher meat there is no prayer and the animal throat is slit whilst still conscious" Laughing my tits off at the idea that a prayer makes a difference when stabbing a sheep to death.[/p][/quote]Ok this is the scenario .... Your hanging upside down by one leg absolutely terrified ... The executioner says he is going to slit your throat, then gives you a choice, you can be stunned or He can shout a prayer down your earhole .....enough said ! ! liznotthequeen
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