Council will be allowed to put 'Bolton, Lancashire' on road signs

Council will be allowed to put 'Bolton, Lancashire' on road signs

The Lancashire red rose design in Victoria Square

A map showing the historic boundaries of Lancashire

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BOLTON’S historic place in the county of Lancashire could soon be resurrected — on the town’s road signs.

Council bosses will soon be able to put the traditional county names on boundary road signs, including those bordering Chorley and Darwen, under new government plans.

The current rules prevent unitary councils like Bolton from having a road sign saying "Lancashire", for fear it will confuse residents.

The plan is part of reforms announced by Eric Pickles, the MP in charge of local government, who has already announced changes to planning rules to allow councils to put up boundary signs marking traditional English counties.

The secretary of state said the new rules free local authorities from "Whitehall red tape" and help mark out England’s traditional county boundaries, which date back hundreds of years.

He said: “The tapestry of England’s counties binds our nation together, and is interwoven with our cultural fabric — from our cricket to our ales.

“Previous governments have tried to wipe the counties off the map, imposing bland administrative structures or alien euro-regions.

“But I believe we are stronger as a nation when we cherish and champion our local and traditional ties.


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“This government is proud to wave the flag of St George alongside both our county flags.

“Whatever one’s class, colour or creed, we should have pride in our English identities within the United Kingdom’s Union that binds us together.”

Bolton was made part of Greater Manchester under the Local Government Act in 1974, where previously it had been considered a part of Lancashire — a county thought to have been founded in the 12th century.

Astley Bridge councillor John Walsh has been a firm campaigner for Bolton’s place in Lancashire, and every year presents the county’s symbol — a red rose — to the Mayor in a special Town Hall ceremony.

Welcoming the announcement, Cllr Walsh said: “As a member of Friends of Real Lancashire, I think we should be proud of our tradition.

“As last week the council supported the flying of the Union flag, I think we should also be proud of our more local connections and Lancashire is certainly part of our heritage.

“Greater Manchester was set up as an administrative county, and we must never forget that fact.

“I would commend this entirely and think we should promote it in any way we can — let’s remind people of our historic traditions in every way possible.”

A council spokesman said they would wait for more details of the plans before deciding whether to change the road signs.

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7:08am Tue 29 Apr 14

breightmet kid says...

A nice idea but do we the general public wish to see our politicians wasting more money on something which basically is trivial.

Everyone knows that Bolton is in Lancashire, no one ever used Greater Manchester (another political decision to waste money)

But politicians being politicians will no doubt spend a few bob on this flag waving exercise, money that could be better spent on tidying up all the rubbish floating around the streets that might be re-labelled.
A nice idea but do we the general public wish to see our politicians wasting more money on something which basically is trivial. Everyone knows that Bolton is in Lancashire, no one ever used Greater Manchester (another political decision to waste money) But politicians being politicians will no doubt spend a few bob on this flag waving exercise, money that could be better spent on tidying up all the rubbish floating around the streets that might be re-labelled. breightmet kid
  • Score: -25

7:18am Tue 29 Apr 14

oftbewildered2 says...

no need to be silly about financing the re-naming; perhaps 'Lancashire' could be put on any new signs erected and just immediately on boundary signs ('Bolton' Lancashire'). As 'breightmet kid' says, WE all know it is Lancashire, even if Big brother tried to convince it that it was not.
no need to be silly about financing the re-naming; perhaps 'Lancashire' could be put on any new signs erected and just immediately on boundary signs ('Bolton' Lancashire'). As 'breightmet kid' says, WE all know it is Lancashire, even if Big brother tried to convince it that it was not. oftbewildered2
  • Score: 32

7:52am Tue 29 Apr 14

Lee3695 says...

How many people actually wanted or thought of it as being in Greater Manchester? The tories are only allowing that title to diminish as Manchester has always been a labour stronghold. I suspect this has nothing to do with residents confusion and everything to do with political interests to serve the forthcoming elections.
How many people actually wanted or thought of it as being in Greater Manchester? The tories are only allowing that title to diminish as Manchester has always been a labour stronghold. I suspect this has nothing to do with residents confusion and everything to do with political interests to serve the forthcoming elections. Lee3695
  • Score: -14

8:30am Tue 29 Apr 14

Jim271 says...

I drove down Halliwell Road this morning, every public,bin was overflowing.

Flytippers are back/
I drove down Halliwell Road this morning, every public,bin was overflowing. Flytippers are back/ Jim271
  • Score: -9

8:31am Tue 29 Apr 14

soup153 says...

Been putting Lancashire in my address for the past 30 odd years.
Been putting Lancashire in my address for the past 30 odd years. soup153
  • Score: 68

8:45am Tue 29 Apr 14

marco999 says...

I had a stroll through Bolton town center a couple of weeks ago and I could have been in Warsaw or Bucharest. The way Bolton is going, putting 'Lancashire' on the signs will mean less and less to 'Boltonians' as the years roll by - sadly.
I had a stroll through Bolton town center a couple of weeks ago and I could have been in Warsaw or Bucharest. The way Bolton is going, putting 'Lancashire' on the signs will mean less and less to 'Boltonians' as the years roll by - sadly. marco999
  • Score: 60

9:34am Tue 29 Apr 14

vicric87 says...

Ive always considered Bolton to be in Lancashire, but if you phone 999 you're still gonna get put through to Greater Manchester Police. Why confuse everyone?
Ive always considered Bolton to be in Lancashire, but if you phone 999 you're still gonna get put through to Greater Manchester Police. Why confuse everyone? vicric87
  • Score: -20

9:39am Tue 29 Apr 14

xadinalan says...

The Post Office has always recognised that Bolton is in Lancashire. It's only politically that we are part of Greater Manchester. Geographically we're in Lancashire.
The Post Office has always recognised that Bolton is in Lancashire. It's only politically that we are part of Greater Manchester. Geographically we're in Lancashire. xadinalan
  • Score: 44

10:05am Tue 29 Apr 14

wsw69 says...

I'm 52 and have NEVER recognised Greater Manchester. Wherever I hand over my address I always make sure it is Bolton, Lancashire.

In relation to Marco999's comment; 'I had a stroll through Bolton town center a couple of weeks ago and I could have been in Warsaw or Bucharest. The way Bolton is going, putting 'Lancashire' on the signs will mean less and less to 'Boltonians' as the years roll by - sadly.' I was in town Monday, as I am 3 times a week, and it's hard to see anyone who resembles being anything like English.

At 10am Monday the full set of chairs outside Costa Coffee were taken up, as usual, by Romanians. The same Romanians I see every time I am in town. They were still sat there when I was leaving the town centre at just after mid-day! Their tables were overflowing with empty Costa Coffee cups. How they afford it is questionable.
I'm 52 and have NEVER recognised Greater Manchester. Wherever I hand over my address I always make sure it is Bolton, Lancashire. In relation to Marco999's comment; 'I had a stroll through Bolton town center a couple of weeks ago and I could have been in Warsaw or Bucharest. The way Bolton is going, putting 'Lancashire' on the signs will mean less and less to 'Boltonians' as the years roll by - sadly.' I was in town Monday, as I am 3 times a week, and it's hard to see anyone who resembles being anything like English. At 10am Monday the full set of chairs outside Costa Coffee were taken up, as usual, by Romanians. The same Romanians I see every time I am in town. They were still sat there when I was leaving the town centre at just after mid-day! Their tables were overflowing with empty Costa Coffee cups. How they afford it is questionable. wsw69
  • Score: 36

10:09am Tue 29 Apr 14

Jim271 says...

They are So desperate to grab the UKIP vote,

I am sorry but waving a Union Flag is not going to convince people.
They are So desperate to grab the UKIP vote, I am sorry but waving a Union Flag is not going to convince people. Jim271
  • Score: 4

10:19am Tue 29 Apr 14

bwfc58 says...

I am so pleased about this I will be havinga drink tonight as BOLTON as always been part of LANCASHIRE FACT so soon there be no more of this silly name Greater Manchester as i have always said it only ever Benefited Manchester and Salford again FACT.
I am so pleased about this I will be havinga drink tonight as BOLTON as always been part of LANCASHIRE FACT so soon there be no more of this silly name Greater Manchester as i have always said it only ever Benefited Manchester and Salford again FACT. bwfc58
  • Score: 21

10:21am Tue 29 Apr 14

LordLeverhulme says...

Yeah. Lets not bother about REAL issues. Lets just try to win some votes by bringing this old chestnut back out of the box.
Yeah. Lets not bother about REAL issues. Lets just try to win some votes by bringing this old chestnut back out of the box. LordLeverhulme
  • Score: -4

10:24am Tue 29 Apr 14

trotter1874 says...

What I want to know is who the hell are the 9% who don't consider Bolton as being Lancastrian??!!
What I want to know is who the hell are the 9% who don't consider Bolton as being Lancastrian??!! trotter1874
  • Score: 24

10:35am Tue 29 Apr 14

trotter1874 says...

xadinalan wrote:
The Post Office has always recognised that Bolton is in Lancashire. It's only politically that we are part of Greater Manchester. Geographically we're in Lancashire.
I'm not sure Greater Manchester does hold any political power. Bolton is purely unitary in the world of politics. I believe they it class it as a Ceremonial County by the fact it has a Lord Lieutenant........wh
ich is of course a load of old cobblers! Lancs not Mancs!
[quote][p][bold]xadinalan[/bold] wrote: The Post Office has always recognised that Bolton is in Lancashire. It's only politically that we are part of Greater Manchester. Geographically we're in Lancashire.[/p][/quote]I'm not sure Greater Manchester does hold any political power. Bolton is purely unitary in the world of politics. I believe they it class it as a Ceremonial County by the fact it has a Lord Lieutenant........wh ich is of course a load of old cobblers! Lancs not Mancs! trotter1874
  • Score: 11

10:55am Tue 29 Apr 14

itsnotthatbad says...

Always called it Bolton, Lancs NEVER Manchester
Always called it Bolton, Lancs NEVER Manchester itsnotthatbad
  • Score: 22

11:03am Tue 29 Apr 14

Ernagy2 says...

Now to move the administrative set up to Lancashire! That would please most in the town. Get rid of MIDAS and severe the connection with 'Greater Manchester' completely - in my dreams! (lol)
Now to move the administrative set up to Lancashire! That would please most in the town. Get rid of MIDAS and severe the connection with 'Greater Manchester' completely - in my dreams! (lol) Ernagy2
  • Score: 13

11:24am Tue 29 Apr 14

Peter Lanky says...

breightmet kid wrote:
A nice idea but do we the general public wish to see our politicians wasting more money on something which basically is trivial.

Everyone knows that Bolton is in Lancashire, no one ever used Greater Manchester (another political decision to waste money)

But politicians being politicians will no doubt spend a few bob on this flag waving exercise, money that could be better spent on tidying up all the rubbish floating around the streets that might be re-labelled.
I, nor many other people consider it trivial at all. We all DO know Bolton is in Lancashire, so why not make it official? The only things tying the town to the fictitious county of GM is the police and ambulance service, and that could easily be changed if the desire was there. Everything else is just simply sucking funds out of the town to fund projects such as Metrolink which Bolton is unlikely to ever see.

If we want to think about money spent on trivial things, then how about the current practice of littering our streets in ALL towns with 20mph signs that were never asked for and were never needed.

Your point about rubbish is a good one, but there's no guarantee that any money saved elsewhere would be spent on this, as local politicians don't appear to see it as a priority.
[quote][p][bold]breightmet kid[/bold] wrote: A nice idea but do we the general public wish to see our politicians wasting more money on something which basically is trivial. Everyone knows that Bolton is in Lancashire, no one ever used Greater Manchester (another political decision to waste money) But politicians being politicians will no doubt spend a few bob on this flag waving exercise, money that could be better spent on tidying up all the rubbish floating around the streets that might be re-labelled.[/p][/quote]I, nor many other people consider it trivial at all. We all DO know Bolton is in Lancashire, so why not make it official? The only things tying the town to the fictitious county of GM is the police and ambulance service, and that could easily be changed if the desire was there. Everything else is just simply sucking funds out of the town to fund projects such as Metrolink which Bolton is unlikely to ever see. If we want to think about money spent on trivial things, then how about the current practice of littering our streets in ALL towns with 20mph signs that were never asked for and were never needed. Your point about rubbish is a good one, but there's no guarantee that any money saved elsewhere would be spent on this, as local politicians don't appear to see it as a priority. Peter Lanky
  • Score: 5

11:30am Tue 29 Apr 14

Beyond News Forum says...

It does not matter. The actions are like something out of a comic book. The simple fact of the matter is that Bolton will still be in the GM zone.. so what the hell is wasting money on signs going to achieve?

Will Bolton continue being second rate when it comes to funding? Yes, Salford and Manchester will continue to have heavy investment, while the large LANCASHIRE towns of Wigan, Blackburn and Chorley will continue to thrive.

What a complete joke. Honestly people.. do any of you give a crap what these politicians do or say anymore?

Same old crap, same old promises, same old disappointments - people will still go to vote for a bunch of bone idle, thick pig-headed liars, thinking that the politicians will answer their prayers, dreams and aspirations.

We DO NOT LIVE IN E DEMOCRACY - when Bolton became part of Greater Manchester against public opinion, when the Market Hall was screwed up against public opinion, when services were reduced against public opinion, when the banks got propped up against public opinion, when the country went to war against the wishes of the public, and when Britain remains a part of the EU cronyism against the wishes of the public - you will all still believe we live in a democratic country.

Stand up for yourselves... if for just once you think you can make a difference stand up and shout at the top of your voice "NO... WE WILL NOT VOTE FOR CRONYISM, DECEPTION, FRAUD, CAPITALIST PAY PACKETS, HYPOCRISY AND LIES!!!"
It does not matter. The actions are like something out of a comic book. The simple fact of the matter is that Bolton will still be in the GM zone.. so what the hell is wasting money on signs going to achieve? Will Bolton continue being second rate when it comes to funding? Yes, Salford and Manchester will continue to have heavy investment, while the large LANCASHIRE towns of Wigan, Blackburn and Chorley will continue to thrive. What a complete joke. Honestly people.. do any of you give a crap what these politicians do or say anymore? Same old crap, same old promises, same old disappointments - people will still go to vote for a bunch of bone idle, thick pig-headed liars, thinking that the politicians will answer their prayers, dreams and aspirations. We DO NOT LIVE IN E DEMOCRACY - when Bolton became part of Greater Manchester against public opinion, when the Market Hall was screwed up against public opinion, when services were reduced against public opinion, when the banks got propped up against public opinion, when the country went to war against the wishes of the public, and when Britain remains a part of the EU cronyism against the wishes of the public - you will all still believe we live in a democratic country. Stand up for yourselves... if for just once you think you can make a difference stand up and shout at the top of your voice "NO... WE WILL NOT VOTE FOR CRONYISM, DECEPTION, FRAUD, CAPITALIST PAY PACKETS, HYPOCRISY AND LIES!!!" Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 3

12:33pm Tue 29 Apr 14

LordLeverhulme says...

trotter1874 wrote:
What I want to know is who the hell are the 9% who don't consider Bolton as being Lancastrian??!!
or if you polled just the under 40s.. the 90%
[quote][p][bold]trotter1874[/bold] wrote: What I want to know is who the hell are the 9% who don't consider Bolton as being Lancastrian??!![/p][/quote]or if you polled just the under 40s.. the 90% LordLeverhulme
  • Score: 1

12:43pm Tue 29 Apr 14

holloway_david says...

trotter1874 wrote:
What I want to know is who the hell are the 9% who don't consider Bolton as being Lancastrian??!!
Mancunians!
[quote][p][bold]trotter1874[/bold] wrote: What I want to know is who the hell are the 9% who don't consider Bolton as being Lancastrian??!![/p][/quote]Mancunians! holloway_david
  • Score: 13

1:12pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Phil from Smithills says...

At last! I have been stating for years, that we are still IN Lancashire, Gtr Man was created solely for local government & administrative purposes. The borders of Lancashire were not altered by the 1974 Local Government Re-Organisation Act purely the way it was administered, by creating administrative counties within the traditional county of Lancashire.

Get the boundary road signs up, get the red rose flags out....even Manchester can join in.
At last! I have been stating for years, that we are still IN Lancashire, Gtr Man was created solely for local government & administrative purposes. The borders of Lancashire were not altered by the 1974 Local Government Re-Organisation Act purely the way it was administered, by creating administrative counties within the traditional county of Lancashire. Get the boundary road signs up, get the red rose flags out....even Manchester can join in. Phil from Smithills
  • Score: 14

1:28pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Reality50 says...

Great news. I hate Greater Manchester so this move is welcome.
Great news. I hate Greater Manchester so this move is welcome. Reality50
  • Score: 15

1:34pm Tue 29 Apr 14

italia01 says...

Phil from Smithills wrote:
At last! I have been stating for years, that we are still IN Lancashire, Gtr Man was created solely for local government & administrative purposes. The borders of Lancashire were not altered by the 1974 Local Government Re-Organisation Act purely the way it was administered, by creating administrative counties within the traditional county of Lancashire.

Get the boundary road signs up, get the red rose flags out....even Manchester can join in.
What difference does it really make? Lancashire. Greater Manchester. Neither title changes or hides the fact that Bolton is a grim, dirty litter ridden town that needs a good Clean up. Sad fact is that the town itself houses few boltonians anyway, and of those that are, few of them even respect the town. More than a change to the county name its what's required.
[quote][p][bold]Phil from Smithills[/bold] wrote: At last! I have been stating for years, that we are still IN Lancashire, Gtr Man was created solely for local government & administrative purposes. The borders of Lancashire were not altered by the 1974 Local Government Re-Organisation Act purely the way it was administered, by creating administrative counties within the traditional county of Lancashire. Get the boundary road signs up, get the red rose flags out....even Manchester can join in.[/p][/quote]What difference does it really make? Lancashire. Greater Manchester. Neither title changes or hides the fact that Bolton is a grim, dirty litter ridden town that needs a good Clean up. Sad fact is that the town itself houses few boltonians anyway, and of those that are, few of them even respect the town. More than a change to the county name its what's required. italia01
  • Score: 1

1:47pm Tue 29 Apr 14

LordLeverhulme says...

You could put "West Sussex" on the signs. What difference does it make to anything? None.
People need to get a life.
You could put "West Sussex" on the signs. What difference does it make to anything? None. People need to get a life. LordLeverhulme
  • Score: -14

2:35pm Tue 29 Apr 14

trotter1874 says...

LordLeverhulme wrote:
You could put "West Sussex" on the signs. What difference does it make to anything? None. People need to get a life.
Once upon a time identity was so important to this country.....where did it all go so wrong??!!
[quote][p][bold]LordLeverhulme[/bold] wrote: You could put "West Sussex" on the signs. What difference does it make to anything? None. People need to get a life.[/p][/quote]Once upon a time identity was so important to this country.....where did it all go so wrong??!! trotter1874
  • Score: 10

3:59pm Tue 29 Apr 14

vicwhizz says...

at last,never considered Bolton as greater Manchester,lancashir
e lass through and through.even brainwashed the kids ,its Lancashire.they were taught at school to address greater Manchester ,but I said no no no,its Lancashire
at last,never considered Bolton as greater Manchester,lancashir e lass through and through.even brainwashed the kids ,its Lancashire.they were taught at school to address greater Manchester ,but I said no no no,its Lancashire vicwhizz
  • Score: 14

4:06pm Tue 29 Apr 14

bwfc58 says...

Lets all wait for the comments from BWFC71 as he will not be happy .and I bet the 9% are from Manchester but living in my home town BOLTON LANCASHIRE.
Lets all wait for the comments from BWFC71 as he will not be happy .and I bet the 9% are from Manchester but living in my home town BOLTON LANCASHIRE. bwfc58
  • Score: 4

4:26pm Tue 29 Apr 14

vicwhizz says...

bwfc58 wrote:
Lets all wait for the comments from BWFC71 as he will not be happy .and I bet the 9% are from Manchester but living in my home town BOLTON LANCASHIRE.
well he can always move over the border to greater manchester
[quote][p][bold]bwfc58[/bold] wrote: Lets all wait for the comments from BWFC71 as he will not be happy .and I bet the 9% are from Manchester but living in my home town BOLTON LANCASHIRE.[/p][/quote]well he can always move over the border to greater manchester vicwhizz
  • Score: 3

4:33pm Tue 29 Apr 14

multiman says...

What's wrong with being associated with Greater Manchester? We get a share in airport profits and have a lot of money spent on transport by Transport For Greater Manchester. I think being classed as a satellite market town to a major UK and European city is a much better identity than just being another dull Lancashire town like Burnley or Blackburn.
What's wrong with being associated with Greater Manchester? We get a share in airport profits and have a lot of money spent on transport by Transport For Greater Manchester. I think being classed as a satellite market town to a major UK and European city is a much better identity than just being another dull Lancashire town like Burnley or Blackburn. multiman
  • Score: -11

4:50pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Peter Lanky says...

multiman wrote:
What's wrong with being associated with Greater Manchester? We get a share in airport profits and have a lot of money spent on transport by Transport For Greater Manchester. I think being classed as a satellite market town to a major UK and European city is a much better identity than just being another dull Lancashire town like Burnley or Blackburn.
The town gets a share of Manchester airport profits because it invested in the airport along with the other towns. It's not a free handout.

Whether Bolton is more vibrant than Blackburn or Burnley is a matter of opinion, but at least neither of them have to contribute to prestige projects in Manchester to raise it's international awareness. As for transport, the bus service in Bolton is probably only 10% of what it was before control of it was handed over to the bureaucrats in Manchester.

If you take your argument to it's natural conclusion, we may as well be called 'Greater London', though probably many of our politicians already believe this to be the case.
[quote][p][bold]multiman[/bold] wrote: What's wrong with being associated with Greater Manchester? We get a share in airport profits and have a lot of money spent on transport by Transport For Greater Manchester. I think being classed as a satellite market town to a major UK and European city is a much better identity than just being another dull Lancashire town like Burnley or Blackburn.[/p][/quote]The town gets a share of Manchester airport profits because it invested in the airport along with the other towns. It's not a free handout. Whether Bolton is more vibrant than Blackburn or Burnley is a matter of opinion, but at least neither of them have to contribute to prestige projects in Manchester to raise it's international awareness. As for transport, the bus service in Bolton is probably only 10% of what it was before control of it was handed over to the bureaucrats in Manchester. If you take your argument to it's natural conclusion, we may as well be called 'Greater London', though probably many of our politicians already believe this to be the case. Peter Lanky
  • Score: -2

5:39pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Thatissowrong says...

bwfc58 wrote:
Lets all wait for the comments from BWFC71 as he will not be happy .and I bet the 9% are from Manchester but living in my home town BOLTON LANCASHIRE.
He's been notable by his absence recently and his alter ego the righteous one also. Hopefully they've been banned - the insults, diatribes and tedium are a real PITA.
[quote][p][bold]bwfc58[/bold] wrote: Lets all wait for the comments from BWFC71 as he will not be happy .and I bet the 9% are from Manchester but living in my home town BOLTON LANCASHIRE.[/p][/quote]He's been notable by his absence recently and his alter ego the righteous one also. Hopefully they've been banned - the insults, diatribes and tedium are a real PITA. Thatissowrong
  • Score: 5

6:18pm Tue 29 Apr 14

lancashiregirl says...

Always been Bolton Lancashire to me
Always been Bolton Lancashire to me lancashiregirl
  • Score: 12

6:30pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Why are people commenting as if this is a zone change? It isn't. It is just a few thousand quids worth of fake signage. A bit like the fakes in the council.
Why are people commenting as if this is a zone change? It isn't. It is just a few thousand quids worth of fake signage. A bit like the fakes in the council. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: -4

6:33pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Actually there are more pressing issues in this town like restoration of services and recreation facilities, the roads, health etc... not road signs that mean nothing.
Actually there are more pressing issues in this town like restoration of services and recreation facilities, the roads, health etc... not road signs that mean nothing. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: -1

7:12pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Phil from Smithills says...

Beyond News Forum wrote:
Why are people commenting as if this is a zone change? It isn't. It is just a few thousand quids worth of fake signage. A bit like the fakes in the council.
How can it be fake signage when its the Government who are enabling our town to erect boundary signs informing you and everyone else that you will be entering Bolton Lancashire.

Other local towns no-doubt will be doing similar.
[quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: Why are people commenting as if this is a zone change? It isn't. It is just a few thousand quids worth of fake signage. A bit like the fakes in the council.[/p][/quote]How can it be fake signage when its the Government who are enabling our town to erect boundary signs informing you and everyone else that you will be entering Bolton Lancashire. Other local towns no-doubt will be doing similar. Phil from Smithills
  • Score: 5

7:21pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Hulton Park says...

A great idea - but a lot of pressure will be put on Bolton Council not to do it by the GM apparatchiks who now make the real decisions, behind the facade of the democratically-elect
ed local councils.

It could not be a county boundary sign as such of course - Bolton has never been a border town!
A great idea - but a lot of pressure will be put on Bolton Council not to do it by the GM apparatchiks who now make the real decisions, behind the facade of the democratically-elect ed local councils. It could not be a county boundary sign as such of course - Bolton has never been a border town! Hulton Park
  • Score: 4

7:21pm Tue 29 Apr 14

JustBecause says...

LordLeverhulme wrote:
trotter1874 wrote:
What I want to know is who the hell are the 9% who don't consider Bolton as being Lancastrian??!!
or if you polled just the under 40s.. the 90%
Good point, the younger generation use greater manchester, Lancashire is for the old duffers....
[quote][p][bold]LordLeverhulme[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]trotter1874[/bold] wrote: What I want to know is who the hell are the 9% who don't consider Bolton as being Lancastrian??!![/p][/quote]or if you polled just the under 40s.. the 90%[/p][/quote]Good point, the younger generation use greater manchester, Lancashire is for the old duffers.... JustBecause
  • Score: -12

7:25pm Tue 29 Apr 14

the hand says...

multiman wrote:
What's wrong with being associated with Greater Manchester? We get a share in airport profits and have a lot of money spent on transport by Transport For Greater Manchester. I think being classed as a satellite market town to a major UK and European city is a much better identity than just being another dull Lancashire town like Burnley or Blackburn.
That's cause your a nob
[quote][p][bold]multiman[/bold] wrote: What's wrong with being associated with Greater Manchester? We get a share in airport profits and have a lot of money spent on transport by Transport For Greater Manchester. I think being classed as a satellite market town to a major UK and European city is a much better identity than just being another dull Lancashire town like Burnley or Blackburn.[/p][/quote]That's cause your a nob the hand
  • Score: 9

9:49pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Phil from Smithills says...

Hulton Park wrote:
A great idea - but a lot of pressure will be put on Bolton Council not to do it by the GM apparatchiks who now make the real decisions, behind the facade of the democratically-elect

ed local councils.

It could not be a county boundary sign as such of course - Bolton has never been a border town!
A Bolton Lancashire boundary sign at the borders of Darwen, Belmont & Anderton would counter the wrongly placed Lancashire signs when entering those places.

When the regulation is relaxed by the Government, we should all contact out local councillors telling them that we want the Bolton Lancashire signs erecting, and bo**ocks to the Manchester dominated opinions.
[quote][p][bold]Hulton Park[/bold] wrote: A great idea - but a lot of pressure will be put on Bolton Council not to do it by the GM apparatchiks who now make the real decisions, behind the facade of the democratically-elect ed local councils. It could not be a county boundary sign as such of course - Bolton has never been a border town![/p][/quote]A Bolton Lancashire boundary sign at the borders of Darwen, Belmont & Anderton would counter the wrongly placed Lancashire signs when entering those places. When the regulation is relaxed by the Government, we should all contact out local councillors telling them that we want the Bolton Lancashire signs erecting, and bo**ocks to the Manchester dominated opinions. Phil from Smithills
  • Score: 6

10:29pm Tue 29 Apr 14

sallyupsteps says...

Phil from Smithills wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
Why are people commenting as if this is a zone change? It isn't. It is just a few thousand quids worth of fake signage. A bit like the fakes in the council.
How can it be fake signage when its the Government who are enabling our town to erect boundary signs informing you and everyone else that you will be entering Bolton Lancashire.

Other local towns no-doubt will be doing similar.
Because its to make us feel wanted. Doh! As if our opinion counts. Get rid of all the town hall nincompoops.
[quote][p][bold]Phil from Smithills[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: Why are people commenting as if this is a zone change? It isn't. It is just a few thousand quids worth of fake signage. A bit like the fakes in the council.[/p][/quote]How can it be fake signage when its the Government who are enabling our town to erect boundary signs informing you and everyone else that you will be entering Bolton Lancashire. Other local towns no-doubt will be doing similar.[/p][/quote]Because its to make us feel wanted. Doh! As if our opinion counts. Get rid of all the town hall nincompoops. sallyupsteps
  • Score: 3

11:28pm Tue 29 Apr 14

Phil from Smithills says...

Eric Pickles MP said "Previous governments have tried to wipe the counties off the map, imposing bland administrative structures or alien euro-regions."

It should be remembered, that it was a Conservative government who messed up the structure in the first place in 1974 with its Local Government Re-Organisation Act when administrative counties were introduced.

But good on Eric Pickles in trying to right a wrong and emphasizing that Bolton still remains in Lancashire and that Gtr Man was purely for local administration purposes only.
Eric Pickles MP said "Previous governments have tried to wipe the counties off the map, imposing bland administrative structures or alien euro-regions." It should be remembered, that it was a Conservative government who messed up the structure in the first place in 1974 with its Local Government Re-Organisation Act when administrative counties were introduced. But good on Eric Pickles in trying to right a wrong and emphasizing that Bolton still remains in Lancashire and that Gtr Man was purely for local administration purposes only. Phil from Smithills
  • Score: 6

12:00am Wed 30 Apr 14

BIG ERN says...

First world problems...
First world problems... BIG ERN
  • Score: 1

2:20am Wed 30 Apr 14

Reality50 says...

Culturally we are far closer to Preston,Blackburn and Burnley than Manchester. We would be better off as a major town in Lancashire than being an irrelevant dormitory satellite town of Manchester-which we are now-. Preston is a boom town and was there last week and cranes everywhere. It has a small vibrant city feel yet is smaller than Bolton. We need to replicate them and be a small city but with a city mentality. We need to pull away from Manchester and re-forge our identity as a town. The "Capital Of South Lancashire" sounds a nice slogan. The council's marketing department should use that!.
Culturally we are far closer to Preston,Blackburn and Burnley than Manchester. We would be better off as a major town in Lancashire than being an irrelevant dormitory satellite town of Manchester-which we are now-. Preston is a boom town and was there last week and cranes everywhere. It has a small vibrant city feel yet is smaller than Bolton. We need to replicate them and be a small city but with a city mentality. We need to pull away from Manchester and re-forge our identity as a town. The "Capital Of South Lancashire" sounds a nice slogan. The council's marketing department should use that!. Reality50
  • Score: 8

4:14am Wed 30 Apr 14

Rememberscarborough says...

Bolton has as much in common with Manchester as it does with Leeds or Liverpool. Greater Manchester was a "dream" forced upon us by those who believe big is beautiful and better much like those who are trying to force us to be part of the European union.

We know who we are and I wish the politicians would stop trying to think they know what's best for us.
Bolton has as much in common with Manchester as it does with Leeds or Liverpool. Greater Manchester was a "dream" forced upon us by those who believe big is beautiful and better much like those who are trying to force us to be part of the European union. We know who we are and I wish the politicians would stop trying to think they know what's best for us. Rememberscarborough
  • Score: 4

8:56am Wed 30 Apr 14

Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent says...

Reality50 wrote:
Culturally we are far closer to Preston,Blackburn and Burnley than Manchester. We would be better off as a major town in Lancashire than being an irrelevant dormitory satellite town of Manchester-which we are now-. Preston is a boom town and was there last week and cranes everywhere. It has a small vibrant city feel yet is smaller than Bolton. We need to replicate them and be a small city but with a city mentality. We need to pull away from Manchester and re-forge our identity as a town. The "Capital Of South Lancashire" sounds a nice slogan. The council's marketing department should use that!.
We mustn't forget that Manchester was in Lancashire too, as Was Liverpool and Southport which are now Merseyside, another of the 1974 debacles.
[quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: Culturally we are far closer to Preston,Blackburn and Burnley than Manchester. We would be better off as a major town in Lancashire than being an irrelevant dormitory satellite town of Manchester-which we are now-. Preston is a boom town and was there last week and cranes everywhere. It has a small vibrant city feel yet is smaller than Bolton. We need to replicate them and be a small city but with a city mentality. We need to pull away from Manchester and re-forge our identity as a town. The "Capital Of South Lancashire" sounds a nice slogan. The council's marketing department should use that!.[/p][/quote]We mustn't forget that Manchester was in Lancashire too, as Was Liverpool and Southport which are now Merseyside, another of the 1974 debacles. Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent
  • Score: 7

10:11am Wed 30 Apr 14

LordLeverhulme says...

Nobody has yet said what benefit this will produce, apart from giving the old fuddy-duddys one less thing to grumble about.
Nobody has yet said what benefit this will produce, apart from giving the old fuddy-duddys one less thing to grumble about. LordLeverhulme
  • Score: -14

11:06am Wed 30 Apr 14

BXGirl says...

JustBecause wrote:
LordLeverhulme wrote:
trotter1874 wrote:
What I want to know is who the hell are the 9% who don't consider Bolton as being Lancastrian??!!
or if you polled just the under 40s.. the 90%
Good point, the younger generation use greater manchester, Lancashire is for the old duffers....
I'm 27and I live in Bolton,Lancashire. I don't consider myself old
[quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LordLeverhulme[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]trotter1874[/bold] wrote: What I want to know is who the hell are the 9% who don't consider Bolton as being Lancastrian??!![/p][/quote]or if you polled just the under 40s.. the 90%[/p][/quote]Good point, the younger generation use greater manchester, Lancashire is for the old duffers....[/p][/quote]I'm 27and I live in Bolton,Lancashire. I don't consider myself old BXGirl
  • Score: 7

11:20am Wed 30 Apr 14

trotter1874 says...

JustBecause wrote:
LordLeverhulme wrote:
trotter1874 wrote: What I want to know is who the hell are the 9% who don't consider Bolton as being Lancastrian??!!
or if you polled just the under 40s.. the 90%
Good point, the younger generation use greater manchester, Lancashire is for the old duffers....
Or the uncultured??!!
[quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LordLeverhulme[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]trotter1874[/bold] wrote: What I want to know is who the hell are the 9% who don't consider Bolton as being Lancastrian??!![/p][/quote]or if you polled just the under 40s.. the 90%[/p][/quote]Good point, the younger generation use greater manchester, Lancashire is for the old duffers....[/p][/quote]Or the uncultured??!! trotter1874
  • Score: 5

11:52am Wed 30 Apr 14

Reality50 says...

It always pleases me at BWFC games when the Lancashire chants start. At Sheffield Wednesday on Saturday,the near 2,500 Wanderers fans who travelled over the Pennines chanted "Lancashire la la la" several times and most of those were young people.
It always pleases me at BWFC games when the Lancashire chants start. At Sheffield Wednesday on Saturday,the near 2,500 Wanderers fans who travelled over the Pennines chanted "Lancashire la la la" several times and most of those were young people. Reality50
  • Score: 5

12:09pm Wed 30 Apr 14

Reality50 says...

Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent wrote:
Reality50 wrote:
Culturally we are far closer to Preston,Blackburn and Burnley than Manchester. We would be better off as a major town in Lancashire than being an irrelevant dormitory satellite town of Manchester-which we are now-. Preston is a boom town and was there last week and cranes everywhere. It has a small vibrant city feel yet is smaller than Bolton. We need to replicate them and be a small city but with a city mentality. We need to pull away from Manchester and re-forge our identity as a town. The "Capital Of South Lancashire" sounds a nice slogan. The council's marketing department should use that!.
We mustn't forget that Manchester was in Lancashire too, as Was Liverpool and Southport which are now Merseyside, another of the 1974 debacles.
True but most Scousers and Mancs these days have no affiliation to Lancashire. They did rather well out of the 1974 changes that's why..
[quote][p][bold]Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: Culturally we are far closer to Preston,Blackburn and Burnley than Manchester. We would be better off as a major town in Lancashire than being an irrelevant dormitory satellite town of Manchester-which we are now-. Preston is a boom town and was there last week and cranes everywhere. It has a small vibrant city feel yet is smaller than Bolton. We need to replicate them and be a small city but with a city mentality. We need to pull away from Manchester and re-forge our identity as a town. The "Capital Of South Lancashire" sounds a nice slogan. The council's marketing department should use that!.[/p][/quote]We mustn't forget that Manchester was in Lancashire too, as Was Liverpool and Southport which are now Merseyside, another of the 1974 debacles.[/p][/quote]True but most Scousers and Mancs these days have no affiliation to Lancashire. They did rather well out of the 1974 changes that's why.. Reality50
  • Score: 4

2:05pm Wed 30 Apr 14

Phil from Smithills says...

Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent wrote:
Reality50 wrote:
Culturally we are far closer to Preston,Blackburn and Burnley than Manchester. We would be better off as a major town in Lancashire than being an irrelevant dormitory satellite town of Manchester-which we are now-. Preston is a boom town and was there last week and cranes everywhere. It has a small vibrant city feel yet is smaller than Bolton. We need to replicate them and be a small city but with a city mentality. We need to pull away from Manchester and re-forge our identity as a town. The "Capital Of South Lancashire" sounds a nice slogan. The council's marketing department should use that!.
We mustn't forget that Manchester was in Lancashire too, as Was Liverpool and Southport which are now Merseyside, another of the 1974 debacles.
Manchester, Liverpool & Southport are still part of the traditional county of Lancashire as is Bolton, that's why Eric Pickles agrees that these towns may include our county Lancashire name on road signs.

We were NOT separated from Lancashire in 1974 when the Local Government Re-Organisation Act it did NOT alter Lancashire's traditional boundaries, when the Act came into force it simply reorganised how Lancashire was administrated.
[quote][p][bold]Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: Culturally we are far closer to Preston,Blackburn and Burnley than Manchester. We would be better off as a major town in Lancashire than being an irrelevant dormitory satellite town of Manchester-which we are now-. Preston is a boom town and was there last week and cranes everywhere. It has a small vibrant city feel yet is smaller than Bolton. We need to replicate them and be a small city but with a city mentality. We need to pull away from Manchester and re-forge our identity as a town. The "Capital Of South Lancashire" sounds a nice slogan. The council's marketing department should use that!.[/p][/quote]We mustn't forget that Manchester was in Lancashire too, as Was Liverpool and Southport which are now Merseyside, another of the 1974 debacles.[/p][/quote]Manchester, Liverpool & Southport are still part of the traditional county of Lancashire as is Bolton, that's why Eric Pickles agrees that these towns may include our county Lancashire name on road signs. We were NOT separated from Lancashire in 1974 when the Local Government Re-Organisation Act it did NOT alter Lancashire's traditional boundaries, when the Act came into force it simply reorganised how Lancashire was administrated. Phil from Smithills
  • Score: 4

3:04pm Wed 30 Apr 14

Reality50 says...

I personally do not consider Manchester or Liverpool as Lancashire and if you asked most people in those cities,they would say they were from Manchester or Merseyside not Lancashire. I do think South Cumbria-areas such as Barrow-need returning to Lancashire too and also Todmorden which disgracefully was given to the "other side". To be honest,none of this furore over the last 40 years would have happened has Lancashire been divided into North,South,East and West as happened in Yorkshire.
I personally do not consider Manchester or Liverpool as Lancashire and if you asked most people in those cities,they would say they were from Manchester or Merseyside not Lancashire. I do think South Cumbria-areas such as Barrow-need returning to Lancashire too and also Todmorden which disgracefully was given to the "other side". To be honest,none of this furore over the last 40 years would have happened has Lancashire been divided into North,South,East and West as happened in Yorkshire. Reality50
  • Score: 3

3:07pm Wed 30 Apr 14

Reality50 says...

I do consider Southport and St Helens to be Lancashire. Appalling both were lumped in with Merseyside.
I do consider Southport and St Helens to be Lancashire. Appalling both were lumped in with Merseyside. Reality50
  • Score: 3

5:01pm Wed 30 Apr 14

Phil from Smithills says...

Both St Helens & Southport celebrate Lancashire Day with full enthusiasm.

Like Boltonians, they do not like to refer to the administrative county name and use our traditional Lancashire name.
Both St Helens & Southport celebrate Lancashire Day with full enthusiasm. Like Boltonians, they do not like to refer to the administrative county name and use our traditional Lancashire name. Phil from Smithills
  • Score: 4

5:39pm Wed 30 Apr 14

Phil from Smithills says...

Reality50 wrote:
It always pleases me at BWFC games when the Lancashire chants start. At Sheffield Wednesday on Saturday,the near 2,500 Wanderers fans who travelled over the Pennines chanted "Lancashire la la la" several times and most of those were young people.
Thank for that,.... its about time our fans responded with "Lancashire" to counter "the "Yorkshire" "Yorkshire" chants from the fans of Leeds Utd, Barnsley etc when they play over here in Lancashire.
[quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: It always pleases me at BWFC games when the Lancashire chants start. At Sheffield Wednesday on Saturday,the near 2,500 Wanderers fans who travelled over the Pennines chanted "Lancashire la la la" several times and most of those were young people.[/p][/quote]Thank for that,.... its about time our fans responded with "Lancashire" to counter "the "Yorkshire" "Yorkshire" chants from the fans of Leeds Utd, Barnsley etc when they play over here in Lancashire. Phil from Smithills
  • Score: 5

1:08pm Thu 1 May 14

ronnell_uk says...

Waste of money. Nowhere in the borough is on the traditional county border so why mark out Bolton, Lancs? If everyone did it, it would look stupid. Imagine two opposing road signs "Welcome to Bolton,Lancs" and "Welcome to Salford, Lancs".

I think its a good idea for boroughs on the border to mark out the traditional county though. Trafford has already done this on the A56 over the Mersey where Stretford borders Sale.
Waste of money. Nowhere in the borough is on the traditional county border so why mark out Bolton, Lancs? If everyone did it, it would look stupid. Imagine two opposing road signs "Welcome to Bolton,Lancs" and "Welcome to Salford, Lancs". I think its a good idea for boroughs on the border to mark out the traditional county though. Trafford has already done this on the A56 over the Mersey where Stretford borders Sale. ronnell_uk
  • Score: -2

5:13pm Thu 1 May 14

Phil from Smithills says...

Unfortunately our bordering towns of Darwen & Chorley have Lancashire signs at their borders with Bolton, which imply that Bolton is not in Lancashire.

As stated by Eric Pickles the Local Government Minister ., metropolitan towns such as Bolton have been unable to erect signs informing people of our traditional county Lancashire. Thankfully, he is putting right this wrong.

All it needs at these borders with Darwen , Anderton & Chorley/Blackrod is a sign saying "In the Traditional County of Lancashire" positioned just below the present "Welcome to Bolton" border signs.
Unfortunately our bordering towns of Darwen & Chorley have Lancashire signs at their borders with Bolton, which imply that Bolton is not in Lancashire. As stated by Eric Pickles the Local Government Minister ., metropolitan towns such as Bolton have been unable to erect signs informing people of our traditional county Lancashire. Thankfully, he is putting right this wrong. All it needs at these borders with Darwen , Anderton & Chorley/Blackrod is a sign saying "In the Traditional County of Lancashire" positioned just below the present "Welcome to Bolton" border signs. Phil from Smithills
  • Score: 2

8:04pm Thu 1 May 14

bwfc58 says...

I agree with you Phil from Smithills as that sign would look fantastic, and do you know what as happened to BWFC71 he does not comment anymore as he gone back to Manchester ha ha ha.
I agree with you Phil from Smithills as that sign would look fantastic, and do you know what as happened to BWFC71 he does not comment anymore as he gone back to Manchester ha ha ha. bwfc58
  • Score: 1

8:33pm Thu 1 May 14

Phil from Smithills says...

bwfc58....You are right, those who doubted us must be sick as parrots, I have expected them contradicting Eric Pickles the Local Government Minister who has recently said that Metropolitan towns, such as Bolton will be able to add our traditional county Lancashire name to our boundary road signs.

They certainly poo poo-ed all government statements that I have quoted, which stated that the borders of the traditional counties were never altered in 1974.
bwfc58....You are right, those who doubted us must be sick as parrots, I have expected them contradicting Eric Pickles the Local Government Minister who has recently said that Metropolitan towns, such as Bolton will be able to add our traditional county Lancashire name to our boundary road signs. They certainly poo poo-ed all government statements that I have quoted, which stated that the borders of the traditional counties were never altered in 1974. Phil from Smithills
  • Score: 1

4:19am Fri 2 May 14

Steven Chadwick says...

bwfc58 wrote:
I agree with you Phil from Smithills as that sign would look fantastic, and do you know what as happened to BWFC71 he does not comment anymore as he gone back to Manchester ha ha ha.
Rather than sign just signpost Bolton as Lancashire, can we not just repeal the Local Government Act 1972 which started this whole farce!?!? REMOVE Horwich from 'Greater Manchester' and in turn, REMOVE Horwich from Bolton! Horwich, Lancashire, not Bolton, Greater Manchester!
[quote][p][bold]bwfc58[/bold] wrote: I agree with you Phil from Smithills as that sign would look fantastic, and do you know what as happened to BWFC71 he does not comment anymore as he gone back to Manchester ha ha ha.[/p][/quote]Rather than sign just signpost Bolton as Lancashire, can we not just repeal the Local Government Act 1972 which started this whole farce!?!? REMOVE Horwich from 'Greater Manchester' and in turn, REMOVE Horwich from Bolton! Horwich, Lancashire, not Bolton, Greater Manchester! Steven Chadwick
  • Score: -1

1:37pm Sat 3 May 14

fisherman1959 says...

Just a money wasting exercise I have never put Greater Manchester as I live in Bolton Lancashire and have done for 55 years.
Just a money wasting exercise I have never put Greater Manchester as I live in Bolton Lancashire and have done for 55 years. fisherman1959
  • Score: 0

5:22pm Sat 3 May 14

Phil from Smithills says...

Certainly not a waste of money, Lancashire signs at our borders with Chorley, Balcburn & Darwen will counter their Lancashire & The Red Rose countryside signs that implies Bolton is not in Lancashire.

Gtr Man was solely for local government purposes.
Certainly not a waste of money, Lancashire signs at our borders with Chorley, Balcburn & Darwen will counter their Lancashire & The Red Rose countryside signs that implies Bolton is not in Lancashire. Gtr Man was solely for local government purposes. Phil from Smithills
  • Score: 1

10:16am Sun 4 May 14

whitewall76 says...

Good! I'm 38 and Have always written Lancashire on my address and always will.

It is nice to come on and read a comment thread that hasn't been polluted by the spewings of The Righteous One and BWFC71. Maybe he's quit believing that the voting system is rigged and that people(lots) really don't like both of him.
Good! I'm 38 and Have always written Lancashire on my address and always will. It is nice to come on and read a comment thread that hasn't been polluted by the spewings of The Righteous One and BWFC71. Maybe he's quit believing that the voting system is rigged and that people(lots) really don't like both of him. whitewall76
  • Score: 2

4:11pm Sun 4 May 14

lancashiregirl says...

You will get idiots who think Bolton should not be in Lancashire, perhaps they have not been born here or just plain stupid and ignorant
You will get idiots who think Bolton should not be in Lancashire, perhaps they have not been born here or just plain stupid and ignorant lancashiregirl
  • Score: 4

12:44pm Mon 5 May 14

Phil from Smithills says...

As a council spokesman said that they would wait for further details before deciding on any changes.

As the local elections are coming up, and if you agree with Lancashire being included on our boundary road signs, then pressure your councillor on this, I have done and she assures me, she will take the matter up.
As a council spokesman said that they would wait for further details before deciding on any changes. As the local elections are coming up, and if you agree with Lancashire being included on our boundary road signs, then pressure your councillor on this, I have done and she assures me, she will take the matter up. Phil from Smithills
  • Score: 2

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