Live blog: Bolton Council planning meeting - May 1, 2014

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  • To be discussed at this afternoon's meeting:
  • A vision for a restaurants, bars and coffee shops in the basement of the Market Place, as part of a multi-million pound redevelopment.
  • Plans for a new "landmark" three-storey mosque to replace the Sughra Mosque in Granville Street, Farnworth.
  • The future of the Bolton Community College and plans for a 140 new homes to be built in its place.
  • Retrospective approval for 14 commercial units at Blackrod Industrial Estate built without planning permission.

3:43pm

And we're done folks. Thanks as ever for following & make sure you check te paper and website for the full stories and reaction

3:42pm

Cllr Critchley also requesting that council enforcement officers go down to make sure the site is safe. I'll need to check this but members are alluding to the fact that there's no fire escape and debris all over the site.

3:40pm

Looking like it's going to be deferred... and it is.

3:39pm

Cllr John Walsh want deferrment to "concentrate minds" and get proper, tough regulations in place

3:37pm

Cllr Morgan saying it's "gobsmacking" that these units are up. Leading the calls for building regulations to get involved and make the buildings it for employment, and he's going against officers to ask for refusal, to send a message to people who build without proper planning permission

3:31pm

Blackrod Town Council have objected to this application

3:25pm

The units - including a gym, piping contractor & computer service repair - are being used and are bringing employment

3:23pm

Last application now, retrospective permission for 14 units in Blackrod Indistrial Estate. Application came in after an enforcement complaint

3:18pm

Cllr Bob Allen also spoke to say he has no problem with the mosque. "There is no doubt it stands out, and that is what landmarks should do."

3:15pm

To recap (I was furiously scribbling? Cllr Peel said he wanted to make clear that they are strictly governed by planning legislation. The council does not build churches or mosques - they come from a demand in the community. 

3:13pm

Lots of debate there and was furiously scribbling - the plan has been approved, subject to delegation from the director

3:08pm

Cllr Spencer pointing out during the debate that a mosque has been there since the 1970s

3:06pm

Bryn Morgan speaking against it. Says he objects to the aesthetics of the mosque, and that a mosque should not be a gateway to Farnworth. Adds that he sees this as the further Islamification of the country. (note - The Bolton News understands Bryn Morgan is associated with the English Defence League)

3:04pm

Three letters of support and one letter of objection about this one

2:57pm

Currently 75 per cent of users of the mosque walk to it, and officer says there will be an impact on the neighbouring Victorian terraces

2:56pm

Another big application now, plans for the Sughra Mosque in Farnworth

2:55pm

Onto the vote - they're taking all three applications at the same time. They have all been approved!

2:53pm

Cllr Dean now - "this is what is going to regenerate our town centre"

2:52pm

Cllr Norman Critchley saying that the scheme will be a 'kick' for Bolton, and adds he too is absolutely delighted with it - not least because it preserves the much-loved Market Hall. Council should be praised for its patience waiting for the right scheme to come along

2:51pm

Cllr Morgan now, welcoming the fact that the developers are ready to go. it's about improving the night time offer in the town centre. A really exciting proposal, he adds.

2:49pm

Cllr Morris welcoming it too - pointing out it's in his ward. Also says he hopes the stone fringes that could be lost in the development will be found another place in the town centre

2:46pm

"Who knows, the amount of binge drinking might go down" she adds (optimistically)

2:45pm

Now we're onto the debate. Cllr Linda Thomas says cinema is something we've needed in the town for a long time and will bring 'vibrancy' to the town

2:44pm

Talked about how they've consulted with key businesses, the university, schools and college to find out what they wanted. 

2:42pm

Tim Vaughan, chief of the Moorgarth group, just spoken for the application. Says they are absolutely committed to delivering the scheme, which will be not just a boost for Bolton but become a 'regional destination'

2:40pm

(Sorry principle of a cinema in Market Place)

2:40pm

Only one late objection from agents of Crompton Place, which officers say boils down to an objection against the principle of a cinema

2:31pm

Shopping centre at the moment is a 'light touch' on the Grade-II listed building, whereas plans to open up the vaults in the building are a 'severe cut'

2:27pm

... And it's been deferred. Now it's time for the Market Place applications, there's three in total but they are going to be discussed together

2:26pm

Cllr Bob Allen pointing out there's no concrete plans for the school to expand

2:25pm

Cllr McKeon (not on the committee) asking members to defer, to give St Mary's and the developers time to complete negotiations about whether there could be an exchange of land

2:24pm

John Shanton, chair of govenors at St Mary's primary school, said if plans are approved there won't be any room for them to expand

2:17pm

Paul Smith speaking for the application now. Says none of the issues raised are unprecedented, and the land is allocated for housing

2:16pm

23 letters from residents & Horwich Town Council have objected, but it's recommended for approval

2:14pm

The former playing field on the site, and officers have concluded that the loss of the field would be acceptable

2:12pm

It's only outline permission, so we don't have any details about how the houses will look or be laid out. 

2:11pm

Now councillors are looking at a big one - outline application for 140 homes at Bolton Community College in Horwich

2:09pm

Application approved

2:09pm

I should point out this is the last committee meeting before the elections, so expect a lot of input from members...

2:08pm

Cllr Morgan moving approval, said he hasn't had any representations made to him about the plans (it comes under his ward)

2:07pm

First up, an application to build a four bed house on land adjacent to 2 Hillcrest, Atherton. It's a resubmission of a previously approved scheme, but there's changes inc extending the width of the house by 1.5m & replacing a boundary hedge with a fence

2:03pm

And we're off. Going through interests and fire procedure

2:01pm

We're almost ready to start

1:54pm

Another big one up for discussion is the plan for 140 new homes at the old site of Bolton Communit College in Horwich. Lots of letters of objection against this one.

1:52pm

Crompton Place have formally objected to the scheme, claiming that no independent consultant report was carried out before the Market Place scheme came to committee. Keep checking the blog & see tomorrow's paper for more detail on that

1:50pm

Meanwhile Moorgarth's ambitious plans for The Market Place will be in the spotlight again. They've had to re-apply for permission for the cinema due to a design change, and are looking for permission to open up the vaults and make the space suitable for restaurants & bars

1:49pm

Plans to knock down Sughra Mosque in Farnworth and replace it with a three-storey new mosque look set to be approved

1:48pm

The officers are taking ther seats & we're waiting on the councillors, which gives me time to run through what's on the cards this afternoon

1:47pm

Afternoon all, welcome to another thrilling installment of Bolton Council's planning committee. As ever there's lots of interesting applications on the agenda and I will bring you the decisions as they happen.

1:44pm

Good afternoon. The meeting is due to start at 2pm.

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1:53pm Thu 1 May 14

Jim271 says...

Go on allow the extension of the mosque.

UKIP need the votes.
Go on allow the extension of the mosque. UKIP need the votes. Jim271
  • Score: 12

2:46pm Thu 1 May 14

AndyMorton says...

Typical thers more mosques than there is of churches esspecially back to back and now talking about extensions. WTF
Typical thers more mosques than there is of churches esspecially back to back and now talking about extensions. WTF AndyMorton
  • Score: 14

2:48pm Thu 1 May 14

AndyMorton says...

Also had 1 cinema in town but had to knock that down. On its arse bolton they make it worst by thinking they make all these improvements
Also had 1 cinema in town but had to knock that down. On its arse bolton they make it worst by thinking they make all these improvements AndyMorton
  • Score: 10

3:07pm Thu 1 May 14

Jim271 says...

I don't think they have provided enough time for people to object to the mosque if they wish to write in.

Most people only read about it yesterday
I don't think they have provided enough time for people to object to the mosque if they wish to write in. Most people only read about it yesterday Jim271
  • Score: 20

3:26pm Thu 1 May 14

Jim271 says...

Well looks like Bolton Council have decided to Pass The Buck by claiming its the community who dictate what gets built and where.
Well looks like Bolton Council have decided to Pass The Buck by claiming its the community who dictate what gets built and where. Jim271
  • Score: 12

3:34pm Thu 1 May 14

MrsB11 says...

Appalled and disgusted that yet another mosque/eyesore has been given the go ahead by our weak, spineless council. Our children will be living in an Islamic state at some point in their lives. Well done Bolton council and well done to the government for pandering to the "minorities" needs. The "minority" are slowly but surly taking over.
Appalled and disgusted that yet another mosque/eyesore has been given the go ahead by our weak, spineless council. Our children will be living in an Islamic state at some point in their lives. Well done Bolton council and well done to the government for pandering to the "minorities" needs. The "minority" are slowly but surly taking over. MrsB11
  • Score: 29

3:39pm Thu 1 May 14

Our streets says...

The rag bone brigade is out in force today I see
The rag bone brigade is out in force today I see Our streets
  • Score: -3

3:40pm Thu 1 May 14

Our streets says...

Time to take your blinkers off!!
Time to take your blinkers off!! Our streets
  • Score: -3

3:54pm Thu 1 May 14

Wolfie190 says...

Somebody give Bryn Morgan a medal before he loses his job and gets sent to prison.
Somebody give Bryn Morgan a medal before he loses his job and gets sent to prison. Wolfie190
  • Score: 18

4:25pm Thu 1 May 14

Jim271 says...

Lets just rename Farnworth, suggestions please.
Lets just rename Farnworth, suggestions please. Jim271
  • Score: 10

5:27pm Thu 1 May 14

Reality50 says...

We are becoming as islamised as Blackburn and Bradford. Sad times but hardly surprising with the amount of Muslim councillors on the council plus having a Muslim MP Yasmin Qureshi.
We are becoming as islamised as Blackburn and Bradford. Sad times but hardly surprising with the amount of Muslim councillors on the council plus having a Muslim MP Yasmin Qureshi. Reality50
  • Score: 16

5:38pm Thu 1 May 14

The Righteous One says...

I am sick to death about people complaining about Mosques being built lieft right and centre.

I have one question to those who are moaning - DO YOU GO TO CHURCH?

If you answer that as yes then shame on you as the Bible promotes being a good Christian to fellow Church goers and those of other faiths!!!!

If the answer is no then shame on you as it is YOUR fault that Churches are closing down, the Church is losing money and the number of believers is dwindling.

Whereas the Muslim faiths (yes more than one for the ignorant who didn't know) still have strong believers, high capacity mosque attendees and the money they raise goes to improve or build new mosques!!! They are only doing what all Christian faiths have done over the last 2000 years and the many pagan religions did in the centuries before Christianity!!!
I am sick to death about people complaining about Mosques being built lieft right and centre. I have one question to those who are moaning - DO YOU GO TO CHURCH? If you answer that as yes then shame on you as the Bible promotes being a good Christian to fellow Church goers and those of other faiths!!!! If the answer is no then shame on you as it is YOUR fault that Churches are closing down, the Church is losing money and the number of believers is dwindling. Whereas the Muslim faiths (yes more than one for the ignorant who didn't know) still have strong believers, high capacity mosque attendees and the money they raise goes to improve or build new mosques!!! They are only doing what all Christian faiths have done over the last 2000 years and the many pagan religions did in the centuries before Christianity!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -53

5:43pm Thu 1 May 14

notgonehome says...

Horwich council and people don't agree to more house and the loss of playing fields but it is passed time for the small towns around Bolton to kick Bolton in to touch
Horwich council and people don't agree to more house and the loss of playing fields but it is passed time for the small towns around Bolton to kick Bolton in to touch notgonehome
  • Score: 11

5:52pm Thu 1 May 14

lv8151 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
I am sick to death about people complaining about Mosques being built lieft right and centre.

I have one question to those who are moaning - DO YOU GO TO CHURCH?

If you answer that as yes then shame on you as the Bible promotes being a good Christian to fellow Church goers and those of other faiths!!!!

If the answer is no then shame on you as it is YOUR fault that Churches are closing down, the Church is losing money and the number of believers is dwindling.

Whereas the Muslim faiths (yes more than one for the ignorant who didn't know) still have strong believers, high capacity mosque attendees and the money they raise goes to improve or build new mosques!!! They are only doing what all Christian faiths have done over the last 2000 years and the many pagan religions did in the centuries before Christianity!!!
so its shame on me if i go to church and shame on me if i dont ..... you saying its shame on me if i moan .... you fella are a muppet and it's no wonder everyone on here slags you off ..... how close to a mosque do you live ? .... has the value of your property been reduced by the building of a mosque ?
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: I am sick to death about people complaining about Mosques being built lieft right and centre. I have one question to those who are moaning - DO YOU GO TO CHURCH? If you answer that as yes then shame on you as the Bible promotes being a good Christian to fellow Church goers and those of other faiths!!!! If the answer is no then shame on you as it is YOUR fault that Churches are closing down, the Church is losing money and the number of believers is dwindling. Whereas the Muslim faiths (yes more than one for the ignorant who didn't know) still have strong believers, high capacity mosque attendees and the money they raise goes to improve or build new mosques!!! They are only doing what all Christian faiths have done over the last 2000 years and the many pagan religions did in the centuries before Christianity!!![/p][/quote]so its shame on me if i go to church and shame on me if i dont ..... you saying its shame on me if i moan .... you fella are a muppet and it's no wonder everyone on here slags you off ..... how close to a mosque do you live ? .... has the value of your property been reduced by the building of a mosque ? lv8151
  • Score: 16

6:07pm Thu 1 May 14

Beyond News Forum says...

"Bryn Morgan speaking against it. Says he objects to the aesthetics of the mosque, and that a mosque should not be a gateway to Farnworth. Adds that he sees this as the further Islamification of the country. (note - The Bolton News understands Bryn Morgan is associated with the English Defence League) "

So what if he is a supporter of the EDL. Many of those affiliated in the council have adopted the principle of not listening to the people of the town. Also to add, in no way was Bryn commenting as a racist, it is an actual fact... prove him wrong.

1. Even Muslims agree that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the UK, not only that, the world.

2. Aesthetically the building is unpleasing to the eye and it is a huge blot on the landscape that WILL affect the lives of the British community whom live in the area - again this is not a racist comment but fact. In fact racism does not exist in this case - it is a fiction made up by the media and activists. You cannot be racist against a religion.

3. I do not doubt in one instance that if a huge church was to be built in the middle of a Daubhill Street, overshadowing property, then the application would be disapproved and condemned vehemently by those living nearby.

Now it matter not that this is associated with religion or a particular culture. You would find it a hard sell to try and build offices 3 or 4 stories tall in the middle of a residential street. I would say this is pretty much a no-brainer when it comes to favoring a particular type of planning application.

Is the building going to improve the surrounding area? NO!

Is the building going to create a vast amount of jobs for both ethnic minorities, disabled and white people? NO!

Is the building designed to be aesthetically similar to surrounding buildings? NO!

In Farnworth there is a housing shortage for many families who need to move out of their homes because of the Bedroom Tax, there is a housing shortage due to landlords fiddling the system and not taking DSS rents because of the cuts. So in my view the council should rip up the application and have decent affordable housing considered for the land.
"Bryn Morgan speaking against it. Says he objects to the aesthetics of the mosque, and that a mosque should not be a gateway to Farnworth. Adds that he sees this as the further Islamification of the country. (note - The Bolton News understands Bryn Morgan is associated with the English Defence League) " So what if he is a supporter of the EDL. Many of those affiliated in the council have adopted the principle of not listening to the people of the town. Also to add, in no way was Bryn commenting as a racist, it is an actual fact... prove him wrong. 1. Even Muslims agree that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the UK, not only that, the world. 2. Aesthetically the building is unpleasing to the eye and it is a huge blot on the landscape that WILL affect the lives of the British community whom live in the area - again this is not a racist comment but fact. In fact racism does not exist in this case - it is a fiction made up by the media and activists. You cannot be racist against a religion. 3. I do not doubt in one instance that if a huge church was to be built in the middle of a Daubhill Street, overshadowing property, then the application would be disapproved and condemned vehemently by those living nearby. Now it matter not that this is associated with religion or a particular culture. You would find it a hard sell to try and build offices 3 or 4 stories tall in the middle of a residential street. I would say this is pretty much a no-brainer when it comes to favoring a particular type of planning application. Is the building going to improve the surrounding area? NO! Is the building going to create a vast amount of jobs for both ethnic minorities, disabled and white people? NO! Is the building designed to be aesthetically similar to surrounding buildings? NO! In Farnworth there is a housing shortage for many families who need to move out of their homes because of the Bedroom Tax, there is a housing shortage due to landlords fiddling the system and not taking DSS rents because of the cuts. So in my view the council should rip up the application and have decent affordable housing considered for the land. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 38

6:26pm Thu 1 May 14

soup153 says...

Islam is the fastest growing religion, only because most people in other areas have cottoned on to the fact they are just greedy.
Islam is the fastest growing religion, only because most people in other areas have cottoned on to the fact they are just greedy. soup153
  • Score: 6

7:00pm Thu 1 May 14

DamnRightAngry says...

Reality50 wrote:
We are becoming as islamised as Blackburn and Bradford. Sad times but hardly surprising with the amount of Muslim councillors on the council plus having a Muslim MP Yasmin Qureshi.
No we dont go to church cos we aint got no churches!!!! cos these lot take over with mosques or get pubs knocked down cos they decided to build there mosque over the road from it!!!! i am absolutely disgraced!!! im sick of all Muslim schools/mosques even shops! bout time us true Bolton'ers stood up and said no!! were paying into there community when we buy that loaf from the corner shop or that second hand phone we need to use bigger stores or co-ops shut all these over charging greedy little shops down once and for all!!
[quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: We are becoming as islamised as Blackburn and Bradford. Sad times but hardly surprising with the amount of Muslim councillors on the council plus having a Muslim MP Yasmin Qureshi.[/p][/quote]No we dont go to church cos we aint got no churches!!!! cos these lot take over with mosques or get pubs knocked down cos they decided to build there mosque over the road from it!!!! i am absolutely disgraced!!! im sick of all Muslim schools/mosques even shops! bout time us true Bolton'ers stood up and said no!! were paying into there community when we buy that loaf from the corner shop or that second hand phone we need to use bigger stores or co-ops shut all these over charging greedy little shops down once and for all!! DamnRightAngry
  • Score: 52

7:01pm Thu 1 May 14

DamnRightAngry says...

The Righteous One wrote:
I am sick to death about people complaining about Mosques being built lieft right and centre.

I have one question to those who are moaning - DO YOU GO TO CHURCH?

If you answer that as yes then shame on you as the Bible promotes being a good Christian to fellow Church goers and those of other faiths!!!!

If the answer is no then shame on you as it is YOUR fault that Churches are closing down, the Church is losing money and the number of believers is dwindling.

Whereas the Muslim faiths (yes more than one for the ignorant who didn't know) still have strong believers, high capacity mosque attendees and the money they raise goes to improve or build new mosques!!! They are only doing what all Christian faiths have done over the last 2000 years and the many pagan religions did in the centuries before Christianity!!!
No we dont go to church cos we aint got no churches!!!! cos these lot take ver with mosques or get pubs knicked down cos they decided to build there mosque over the road from it!!!! i am absolutely disgraced!!! im sick of all muslim schools/mosques even shops! bout time us true Boltoners stood up and said no!! were paying into there comunity when we buy that loaf from the corner shop or that second hand phone we need to use bigger stores or co-ops shut all these over charging greedy little shops down once and for all!!
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: I am sick to death about people complaining about Mosques being built lieft right and centre. I have one question to those who are moaning - DO YOU GO TO CHURCH? If you answer that as yes then shame on you as the Bible promotes being a good Christian to fellow Church goers and those of other faiths!!!! If the answer is no then shame on you as it is YOUR fault that Churches are closing down, the Church is losing money and the number of believers is dwindling. Whereas the Muslim faiths (yes more than one for the ignorant who didn't know) still have strong believers, high capacity mosque attendees and the money they raise goes to improve or build new mosques!!! They are only doing what all Christian faiths have done over the last 2000 years and the many pagan religions did in the centuries before Christianity!!![/p][/quote]No we dont go to church cos we aint got no churches!!!! cos these lot take ver with mosques or get pubs knicked down cos they decided to build there mosque over the road from it!!!! i am absolutely disgraced!!! im sick of all muslim schools/mosques even shops! bout time us true Boltoners stood up and said no!! were paying into there comunity when we buy that loaf from the corner shop or that second hand phone we need to use bigger stores or co-ops shut all these over charging greedy little shops down once and for all!! DamnRightAngry
  • Score: 5

7:52pm Thu 1 May 14

Brynmorgan says...

3:54pm Thu 1 May 14
Wolfie190 says...

Somebody give Bryn Morgan a medal before he loses his job and gets sent to prison.
I will never lose my job as I am a self employed businessman....priso
n may be another matter if the Muslim appeasing left wing get their way!
This planned mosque is an abomination and the fact that the spineless council puppets approved it just proves how big the back handers the Muslims are paying must be! Corrupt and traitorous Bolton council have not heard the last of this.
3:54pm Thu 1 May 14 Wolfie190 says... Somebody give Bryn Morgan a medal before he loses his job and gets sent to prison. I will never lose my job as I am a self employed businessman....priso n may be another matter if the Muslim appeasing left wing get their way! This planned mosque is an abomination and the fact that the spineless council puppets approved it just proves how big the back handers the Muslims are paying must be! Corrupt and traitorous Bolton council have not heard the last of this. Brynmorgan
  • Score: 19

7:53pm Thu 1 May 14

JustBecause says...

The whole thing is a disgrace, it will be built by shoddy work men, and building regs will be ignored, cou cil will just let it go, the designer and project managment company havent got more than a few quid in the bank, despite being busy, wonder where their money has gone.

Gateway to farnworthin one report, its on a one way stret out for gods sake.

I have no objections to mosques, churches, office blocks, but the council are not playing fair, as i said before we had 9lanning refused on a 3 story 10 appartment block because of light, it was replacing an existing 3 story building.

You cannot go effecting businesses by lettiing the car park out like this.

Did the council check the tyre place on the corner for bus7ness rates ect,

Shame on Bolton, and in the same meeting, they are going to put people out of work.
The whole thing is a disgrace, it will be built by shoddy work men, and building regs will be ignored, cou cil will just let it go, the designer and project managment company havent got more than a few quid in the bank, despite being busy, wonder where their money has gone. Gateway to farnworthin one report, its on a one way stret out for gods sake. I have no objections to mosques, churches, office blocks, but the council are not playing fair, as i said before we had 9lanning refused on a 3 story 10 appartment block because of light, it was replacing an existing 3 story building. You cannot go effecting businesses by lettiing the car park out like this. Did the council check the tyre place on the corner for bus7ness rates ect, Shame on Bolton, and in the same meeting, they are going to put people out of work. JustBecause
  • Score: 5

8:05pm Thu 1 May 14

AA51CYA says...

Oh stop moaning and crying the lot of u. I'm really happy with the news of the mosque :-)))
Oh stop moaning and crying the lot of u. I'm really happy with the news of the mosque :-))) AA51CYA
  • Score: -25

8:22pm Thu 1 May 14

The Righteous One says...

lv8151 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
I am sick to death about people complaining about Mosques being built lieft right and centre.

I have one question to those who are moaning - DO YOU GO TO CHURCH?

If you answer that as yes then shame on you as the Bible promotes being a good Christian to fellow Church goers and those of other faiths!!!!

If the answer is no then shame on you as it is YOUR fault that Churches are closing down, the Church is losing money and the number of believers is dwindling.

Whereas the Muslim faiths (yes more than one for the ignorant who didn't know) still have strong believers, high capacity mosque attendees and the money they raise goes to improve or build new mosques!!! They are only doing what all Christian faiths have done over the last 2000 years and the many pagan religions did in the centuries before Christianity!!!
so its shame on me if i go to church and shame on me if i dont ..... you saying its shame on me if i moan .... you fella are a muppet and it's no wonder everyone on here slags you off ..... how close to a mosque do you live ? .... has the value of your property been reduced by the building of a mosque ?
Everybody slags me off?

Thomas222 - and yet people are waking up to the truth and he gets slagged off more than me nowadays
5 others have been banned due to their stalking issues and not listening to the editors of constantly breaking the rules of the website

I don't live close to a mosque, in fact I don't live close to a Church, but I do live in a community that is enriched with many nationalities (South African, Australian, New Zealand, American, 2 Canadians families, 5 Dutch families, French, Polish and even a Czech family etc - and yes it is in Bolton, near Bradley Fold!!!!!

But I have a relation who has lived all their life in Halliwell and lives near St Josephs Church and the Mosque at the bottom of Church Road - no problems whatsoever - in fact if there are any problems its from English youths trying to cause bother because they have been influenced by their "so-called" parents who moan about "bloody foreigners doing this that and the other" and so their children (mainly male) want to be seen doing something!!!! In fact my elderly relation is more scared of the white British youths then of the coloured British youths!!!
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: I am sick to death about people complaining about Mosques being built lieft right and centre. I have one question to those who are moaning - DO YOU GO TO CHURCH? If you answer that as yes then shame on you as the Bible promotes being a good Christian to fellow Church goers and those of other faiths!!!! If the answer is no then shame on you as it is YOUR fault that Churches are closing down, the Church is losing money and the number of believers is dwindling. Whereas the Muslim faiths (yes more than one for the ignorant who didn't know) still have strong believers, high capacity mosque attendees and the money they raise goes to improve or build new mosques!!! They are only doing what all Christian faiths have done over the last 2000 years and the many pagan religions did in the centuries before Christianity!!![/p][/quote]so its shame on me if i go to church and shame on me if i dont ..... you saying its shame on me if i moan .... you fella are a muppet and it's no wonder everyone on here slags you off ..... how close to a mosque do you live ? .... has the value of your property been reduced by the building of a mosque ?[/p][/quote]Everybody slags me off? Thomas222 - and yet people are waking up to the truth and he gets slagged off more than me nowadays 5 others have been banned due to their stalking issues and not listening to the editors of constantly breaking the rules of the website I don't live close to a mosque, in fact I don't live close to a Church, but I do live in a community that is enriched with many nationalities (South African, Australian, New Zealand, American, 2 Canadians families, 5 Dutch families, French, Polish and even a Czech family etc - and yes it is in Bolton, near Bradley Fold!!!!! But I have a relation who has lived all their life in Halliwell and lives near St Josephs Church and the Mosque at the bottom of Church Road - no problems whatsoever - in fact if there are any problems its from English youths trying to cause bother because they have been influenced by their "so-called" parents who moan about "bloody foreigners doing this that and the other" and so their children (mainly male) want to be seen doing something!!!! In fact my elderly relation is more scared of the white British youths then of the coloured British youths!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -68

8:31pm Thu 1 May 14

lv8151 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
I am sick to death about people complaining about Mosques being built lieft right and centre.

I have one question to those who are moaning - DO YOU GO TO CHURCH?

If you answer that as yes then shame on you as the Bible promotes being a good Christian to fellow Church goers and those of other faiths!!!!

If the answer is no then shame on you as it is YOUR fault that Churches are closing down, the Church is losing money and the number of believers is dwindling.

Whereas the Muslim faiths (yes more than one for the ignorant who didn't know) still have strong believers, high capacity mosque attendees and the money they raise goes to improve or build new mosques!!! They are only doing what all Christian faiths have done over the last 2000 years and the many pagan religions did in the centuries before Christianity!!!
so its shame on me if i go to church and shame on me if i dont ..... you saying its shame on me if i moan .... you fella are a muppet and it's no wonder everyone on here slags you off ..... how close to a mosque do you live ? .... has the value of your property been reduced by the building of a mosque ?
Everybody slags me off?

Thomas222 - and yet people are waking up to the truth and he gets slagged off more than me nowadays
5 others have been banned due to their stalking issues and not listening to the editors of constantly breaking the rules of the website

I don't live close to a mosque, in fact I don't live close to a Church, but I do live in a community that is enriched with many nationalities (South African, Australian, New Zealand, American, 2 Canadians families, 5 Dutch families, French, Polish and even a Czech family etc - and yes it is in Bolton, near Bradley Fold!!!!!

But I have a relation who has lived all their life in Halliwell and lives near St Josephs Church and the Mosque at the bottom of Church Road - no problems whatsoever - in fact if there are any problems its from English youths trying to cause bother because they have been influenced by their "so-called" parents who moan about "bloody foreigners doing this that and the other" and so their children (mainly male) want to be seen doing something!!!! In fact my elderly relation is more scared of the white British youths then of the coloured British youths!!!
and does your relation own their house or rent .... like i said property devalues when one of these big monstrosities are built opposite as the only people that want to move to the area are muslims so that cuts a big portion of your market ..... it's ok you saying stop moaning but how would you like it if a big super mosque was built next door to you
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: I am sick to death about people complaining about Mosques being built lieft right and centre. I have one question to those who are moaning - DO YOU GO TO CHURCH? If you answer that as yes then shame on you as the Bible promotes being a good Christian to fellow Church goers and those of other faiths!!!! If the answer is no then shame on you as it is YOUR fault that Churches are closing down, the Church is losing money and the number of believers is dwindling. Whereas the Muslim faiths (yes more than one for the ignorant who didn't know) still have strong believers, high capacity mosque attendees and the money they raise goes to improve or build new mosques!!! They are only doing what all Christian faiths have done over the last 2000 years and the many pagan religions did in the centuries before Christianity!!![/p][/quote]so its shame on me if i go to church and shame on me if i dont ..... you saying its shame on me if i moan .... you fella are a muppet and it's no wonder everyone on here slags you off ..... how close to a mosque do you live ? .... has the value of your property been reduced by the building of a mosque ?[/p][/quote]Everybody slags me off? Thomas222 - and yet people are waking up to the truth and he gets slagged off more than me nowadays 5 others have been banned due to their stalking issues and not listening to the editors of constantly breaking the rules of the website I don't live close to a mosque, in fact I don't live close to a Church, but I do live in a community that is enriched with many nationalities (South African, Australian, New Zealand, American, 2 Canadians families, 5 Dutch families, French, Polish and even a Czech family etc - and yes it is in Bolton, near Bradley Fold!!!!! But I have a relation who has lived all their life in Halliwell and lives near St Josephs Church and the Mosque at the bottom of Church Road - no problems whatsoever - in fact if there are any problems its from English youths trying to cause bother because they have been influenced by their "so-called" parents who moan about "bloody foreigners doing this that and the other" and so their children (mainly male) want to be seen doing something!!!! In fact my elderly relation is more scared of the white British youths then of the coloured British youths!!![/p][/quote]and does your relation own their house or rent .... like i said property devalues when one of these big monstrosities are built opposite as the only people that want to move to the area are muslims so that cuts a big portion of your market ..... it's ok you saying stop moaning but how would you like it if a big super mosque was built next door to you lv8151
  • Score: 7

9:13pm Thu 1 May 14

Rawenergy says...

Enoch will be turning in his grave............
Enoch will be turning in his grave............ Rawenergy
  • Score: 10

9:44pm Thu 1 May 14

Rikki Davidovich says...

soup153 wrote:
Islam is the fastest growing religion, only because most people in other areas have cottoned on to the fact they are just greedy.
Can I just point out that Islam is NOT a religion or race... its an ideology, derived from the lives Prophet Mohammed & Allah....
[quote][p][bold]soup153[/bold] wrote: Islam is the fastest growing religion, only because most people in other areas have cottoned on to the fact they are just greedy.[/p][/quote]Can I just point out that Islam is NOT a religion or race... its an ideology, derived from the lives Prophet Mohammed & Allah.... Rikki Davidovich
  • Score: 4

9:50pm Thu 1 May 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Guy this isn't going to happen anyway... it is Farnworth. The Farnworth Firm will kick down every brick that is laid. They better have a huge police presence for that building project... From what I am reading here LOLZ
Guy this isn't going to happen anyway... it is Farnworth. The Farnworth Firm will kick down every brick that is laid. They better have a huge police presence for that building project... From what I am reading here LOLZ Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 2

9:56pm Thu 1 May 14

Southfield 62 says...

Has anyone any information how many mosques there are in Bolton. Wheather they be purpose built, converted buildings or converted traditional terraced houses. And is it true that you do not pay council tax on religious buildings. Wonder then how many terraced houses have been converted to mosques that do not pay any council tax.
Has anyone any information how many mosques there are in Bolton. Wheather they be purpose built, converted buildings or converted traditional terraced houses. And is it true that you do not pay council tax on religious buildings. Wonder then how many terraced houses have been converted to mosques that do not pay any council tax. Southfield 62
  • Score: 7

10:02pm Thu 1 May 14

lv8151 says...

Southfield 62 wrote:
Has anyone any information how many mosques there are in Bolton. Wheather they be purpose built, converted buildings or converted traditional terraced houses. And is it true that you do not pay council tax on religious buildings. Wonder then how many terraced houses have been converted to mosques that do not pay any council tax.
http://www.mosquedir
ectory.co.uk/search_
mosque/mosquesearch-
borough.php?mosque=B
olton&page=1&borough
=Bolton
[quote][p][bold]Southfield 62[/bold] wrote: Has anyone any information how many mosques there are in Bolton. Wheather they be purpose built, converted buildings or converted traditional terraced houses. And is it true that you do not pay council tax on religious buildings. Wonder then how many terraced houses have been converted to mosques that do not pay any council tax.[/p][/quote]http://www.mosquedir ectory.co.uk/search_ mosque/mosquesearch- borough.php?mosque=B olton&page=1&borough =Bolton lv8151
  • Score: 0

11:17pm Thu 1 May 14

ccjone says...

And how many churches are there in Saudi Arabia, the heart of the Islam faith? Not one...
And how many churches are there in Saudi Arabia, the heart of the Islam faith? Not one... ccjone
  • Score: 6

11:51pm Thu 1 May 14

Reality50 says...

A vote for Labour is a vote for Islam as again has been proved today. The braindeads who keep voting Labour have to start waking up to this fact. The UKIP vote on the 22nd of May will be interesting as will voters reactions on the doors when Labour canvassers come knocking on people's doors the week before. if they come to mine they will get verbally abused. I just hope somebody organises a demonstration against this mosque because i for one will support it.
A vote for Labour is a vote for Islam as again has been proved today. The braindeads who keep voting Labour have to start waking up to this fact. The UKIP vote on the 22nd of May will be interesting as will voters reactions on the doors when Labour canvassers come knocking on people's doors the week before. if they come to mine they will get verbally abused. I just hope somebody organises a demonstration against this mosque because i for one will support it. Reality50
  • Score: 8

12:00am Fri 2 May 14

Reality50 says...

http://www.ipetition
s.com/petition/stop-
the-building-of-the-
mosque-in-farnworthb
uildi
That is the epetition against this proposed mosque in Farnworth. Already hundreds have signed it in just a few hours. Bolton Council will be regretting this idiotic decision.
http://www.ipetition s.com/petition/stop- the-building-of-the- mosque-in-farnworthb uildi That is the epetition against this proposed mosque in Farnworth. Already hundreds have signed it in just a few hours. Bolton Council will be regretting this idiotic decision. Reality50
  • Score: 5

12:31am Fri 2 May 14

Our streets says...

It's going to happen live with it!!!
No petition is going to stop it!!
It's going to happen live with it!!! No petition is going to stop it!! Our streets
  • Score: -8

3:17am Fri 2 May 14

AndyMorton says...

The Righteous One wrote:
I am sick to death about people complaining about Mosques being built lieft right and centre.

I have one question to those who are moaning - DO YOU GO TO CHURCH?

If you answer that as yes then shame on you as the Bible promotes being a good Christian to fellow Church goers and those of other faiths!!!!

If the answer is no then shame on you as it is YOUR fault that Churches are closing down, the Church is losing money and the number of believers is dwindling.

Whereas the Muslim faiths (yes more than one for the ignorant who didn't know) still have strong believers, high capacity mosque attendees and the money they raise goes to improve or build new mosques!!! They are only doing what all Christian faiths have done over the last 2000 years and the many pagan religions did in the centuries before Christianity!!!
Well if we had a church
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: I am sick to death about people complaining about Mosques being built lieft right and centre. I have one question to those who are moaning - DO YOU GO TO CHURCH? If you answer that as yes then shame on you as the Bible promotes being a good Christian to fellow Church goers and those of other faiths!!!! If the answer is no then shame on you as it is YOUR fault that Churches are closing down, the Church is losing money and the number of believers is dwindling. Whereas the Muslim faiths (yes more than one for the ignorant who didn't know) still have strong believers, high capacity mosque attendees and the money they raise goes to improve or build new mosques!!! They are only doing what all Christian faiths have done over the last 2000 years and the many pagan religions did in the centuries before Christianity!!![/p][/quote]Well if we had a church AndyMorton
  • Score: 0

4:25am Fri 2 May 14

Steven Chadwick says...

Bolton Council railroading its agenda on Horwich AGAIN!!! GET US OUT!!!!!
Bolton Council railroading its agenda on Horwich AGAIN!!! GET US OUT!!!!! Steven Chadwick
  • Score: 1

5:28am Fri 2 May 14

notgonehome says...

Steven Chadwick wrote:
Bolton Council railroading its agenda on Horwich AGAIN!!! GET US OUT!!!!!
Well said
[quote][p][bold]Steven Chadwick[/bold] wrote: Bolton Council railroading its agenda on Horwich AGAIN!!! GET US OUT!!!!![/p][/quote]Well said notgonehome
  • Score: 0

8:33am Fri 2 May 14

kathy63 says...

In the planning for horwich local works was it not said that the bolton community college horwich site would be used for 16+ education . Why are they then knocking it down to build houses that horwich has not got the infrastructure to sustain !!!!!
In the planning for horwich local works was it not said that the bolton community college horwich site would be used for 16+ education . Why are they then knocking it down to build houses that horwich has not got the infrastructure to sustain !!!!! kathy63
  • Score: 1

8:47am Fri 2 May 14

Jim271 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
I am sick to death about people complaining about Mosques being built lieft right and centre.

I have one question to those who are moaning - DO YOU GO TO CHURCH?

If you answer that as yes then shame on you as the Bible promotes being a good Christian to fellow Church goers and those of other faiths!!!!

If the answer is no then shame on you as it is YOUR fault that Churches are closing down, the Church is losing money and the number of believers is dwindling.

Whereas the Muslim faiths (yes more than one for the ignorant who didn't know) still have strong believers, high capacity mosque attendees and the money they raise goes to improve or build new mosques!!! They are only doing what all Christian faiths have done over the last 2000 years and the many pagan religions did in the centuries before Christianity!!!
so its shame on me if i go to church and shame on me if i dont ..... you saying its shame on me if i moan .... you fella are a muppet and it's no wonder everyone on here slags you off ..... how close to a mosque do you live ? .... has the value of your property been reduced by the building of a mosque ?
Everybody slags me off?

Thomas222 - and yet people are waking up to the truth and he gets slagged off more than me nowadays
5 others have been banned due to their stalking issues and not listening to the editors of constantly breaking the rules of the website

I don't live close to a mosque, in fact I don't live close to a Church, but I do live in a community that is enriched with many nationalities (South African, Australian, New Zealand, American, 2 Canadians families, 5 Dutch families, French, Polish and even a Czech family etc - and yes it is in Bolton, near Bradley Fold!!!!!

But I have a relation who has lived all their life in Halliwell and lives near St Josephs Church and the Mosque at the bottom of Church Road - no problems whatsoever - in fact if there are any problems its from English youths trying to cause bother because they have been influenced by their "so-called" parents who moan about "bloody foreigners doing this that and the other" and so their children (mainly male) want to be seen doing something!!!! In fact my elderly relation is more scared of the white British youths then of the coloured British youths!!!
There is no Mosque on Church Road,

I should know ive lived here all my life.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: I am sick to death about people complaining about Mosques being built lieft right and centre. I have one question to those who are moaning - DO YOU GO TO CHURCH? If you answer that as yes then shame on you as the Bible promotes being a good Christian to fellow Church goers and those of other faiths!!!! If the answer is no then shame on you as it is YOUR fault that Churches are closing down, the Church is losing money and the number of believers is dwindling. Whereas the Muslim faiths (yes more than one for the ignorant who didn't know) still have strong believers, high capacity mosque attendees and the money they raise goes to improve or build new mosques!!! They are only doing what all Christian faiths have done over the last 2000 years and the many pagan religions did in the centuries before Christianity!!![/p][/quote]so its shame on me if i go to church and shame on me if i dont ..... you saying its shame on me if i moan .... you fella are a muppet and it's no wonder everyone on here slags you off ..... how close to a mosque do you live ? .... has the value of your property been reduced by the building of a mosque ?[/p][/quote]Everybody slags me off? Thomas222 - and yet people are waking up to the truth and he gets slagged off more than me nowadays 5 others have been banned due to their stalking issues and not listening to the editors of constantly breaking the rules of the website I don't live close to a mosque, in fact I don't live close to a Church, but I do live in a community that is enriched with many nationalities (South African, Australian, New Zealand, American, 2 Canadians families, 5 Dutch families, French, Polish and even a Czech family etc - and yes it is in Bolton, near Bradley Fold!!!!! But I have a relation who has lived all their life in Halliwell and lives near St Josephs Church and the Mosque at the bottom of Church Road - no problems whatsoever - in fact if there are any problems its from English youths trying to cause bother because they have been influenced by their "so-called" parents who moan about "bloody foreigners doing this that and the other" and so their children (mainly male) want to be seen doing something!!!! In fact my elderly relation is more scared of the white British youths then of the coloured British youths!!![/p][/quote]There is no Mosque on Church Road, I should know ive lived here all my life. Jim271
  • Score: -4

1:18pm Fri 2 May 14

bwfc58 says...

It will not be long now for most of us to vote UKIP in the local & the EU elections as they are the only party that will stop all these mosque being built in this once great country of ours FACT, now that the British people are at long long last waking up to the plight of this once great country & the so called three main parties are trying there very best to find some flaws in UKIP but the more they do the more people will vote for UKIP because the so called three main parties are all bent FACT so again most of you will agree with me and only a few will not agree with me so them that do not I could not care less about you, but them that do agree with me I care very much for you all and this once great country of ours so come on tell all your friends and family to vote for UKIP from now on in all elections this year next year and every year that there is an election.
It will not be long now for most of us to vote UKIP in the local & the EU elections as they are the only party that will stop all these mosque being built in this once great country of ours FACT, now that the British people are at long long last waking up to the plight of this once great country & the so called three main parties are trying there very best to find some flaws in UKIP but the more they do the more people will vote for UKIP because the so called three main parties are all bent FACT so again most of you will agree with me and only a few will not agree with me so them that do not I could not care less about you, but them that do agree with me I care very much for you all and this once great country of ours so come on tell all your friends and family to vote for UKIP from now on in all elections this year next year and every year that there is an election. bwfc58
  • Score: 0

5:06pm Fri 2 May 14

holloway_david says...

Reality50 wrote:
http://www.ipetition

s.com/petition/stop-

the-building-of-the-

mosque-in-farnworthb

uildi
That is the epetition against this proposed mosque in Farnworth. Already hundreds have signed it in just a few hours. Bolton Council will be regretting this idiotic decision.
The Bolton Council does not regret anything it does nor do they care about peoples views.
[quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: http://www.ipetition s.com/petition/stop- the-building-of-the- mosque-in-farnworthb uildi That is the epetition against this proposed mosque in Farnworth. Already hundreds have signed it in just a few hours. Bolton Council will be regretting this idiotic decision.[/p][/quote]The Bolton Council does not regret anything it does nor do they care about peoples views. holloway_david
  • Score: 4

5:13pm Fri 2 May 14

holloway_david says...

Brynmorgan wrote:
3:54pm Thu 1 May 14
Wolfie190 says...

Somebody give Bryn Morgan a medal before he loses his job and gets sent to prison.
I will never lose my job as I am a self employed businessman....priso

n may be another matter if the Muslim appeasing left wing get their way!
This planned mosque is an abomination and the fact that the spineless council puppets approved it just proves how big the back handers the Muslims are paying must be! Corrupt and traitorous Bolton council have not heard the last of this.
Very well said.
[quote][p][bold]Brynmorgan[/bold] wrote: 3:54pm Thu 1 May 14 Wolfie190 says... Somebody give Bryn Morgan a medal before he loses his job and gets sent to prison. I will never lose my job as I am a self employed businessman....priso n may be another matter if the Muslim appeasing left wing get their way! This planned mosque is an abomination and the fact that the spineless council puppets approved it just proves how big the back handers the Muslims are paying must be! Corrupt and traitorous Bolton council have not heard the last of this.[/p][/quote]Very well said. holloway_david
  • Score: 0

5:15pm Fri 2 May 14

holloway_david says...

Jim271 wrote:
Lets just rename Farnworth, suggestions please.
Islamabad
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Lets just rename Farnworth, suggestions please.[/p][/quote]Islamabad holloway_david
  • Score: 2

5:28pm Fri 2 May 14

holloway_david says...

AndyMorton wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
I am sick to death about people complaining about Mosques being built lieft right and centre.

I have one question to those who are moaning - DO YOU GO TO CHURCH?

If you answer that as yes then shame on you as the Bible promotes being a good Christian to fellow Church goers and those of other faiths!!!!

If the answer is no then shame on you as it is YOUR fault that Churches are closing down, the Church is losing money and the number of believers is dwindling.

Whereas the Muslim faiths (yes more than one for the ignorant who didn't know) still have strong believers, high capacity mosque attendees and the money they raise goes to improve or build new mosques!!! They are only doing what all Christian faiths have done over the last 2000 years and the many pagan religions did in the centuries before Christianity!!!
Well if we had a church
To the Righteous One; your name should be the Inexplicable One with the answers you tend to give and the length of them. If you have anything to say, can you make them in serial form so we can all look forward to the next chapter rather than read the whole book.
[quote][p][bold]AndyMorton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: I am sick to death about people complaining about Mosques being built lieft right and centre. I have one question to those who are moaning - DO YOU GO TO CHURCH? If you answer that as yes then shame on you as the Bible promotes being a good Christian to fellow Church goers and those of other faiths!!!! If the answer is no then shame on you as it is YOUR fault that Churches are closing down, the Church is losing money and the number of believers is dwindling. Whereas the Muslim faiths (yes more than one for the ignorant who didn't know) still have strong believers, high capacity mosque attendees and the money they raise goes to improve or build new mosques!!! They are only doing what all Christian faiths have done over the last 2000 years and the many pagan religions did in the centuries before Christianity!!![/p][/quote]Well if we had a church[/p][/quote]To the Righteous One; your name should be the Inexplicable One with the answers you tend to give and the length of them. If you have anything to say, can you make them in serial form so we can all look forward to the next chapter rather than read the whole book. holloway_david
  • Score: 0

6:02pm Fri 2 May 14

holloway_david says...

Is there any chance of this Mosque being built elsewhere such as the road Cliff Morris lives on, if not then on the town hall steps in Lego brick.
Is there any chance of this Mosque being built elsewhere such as the road Cliff Morris lives on, if not then on the town hall steps in Lego brick. holloway_david
  • Score: -1

6:56pm Fri 2 May 14

holloway_david says...

Go to the planning portal on line and refer application 91314/14 for this mosque. Application was made with council on Wed: 15th Jan 2014 and published in the Bolton News Jan 30th under "Public & Legal Notices.
Any planning comments from the public had to be in by April 2nd.
All documents related to this build are available on line when you click comment tab; highlight and click each document for information.
Go to the planning portal on line and refer application 91314/14 for this mosque. Application was made with council on Wed: 15th Jan 2014 and published in the Bolton News Jan 30th under "Public & Legal Notices. Any planning comments from the public had to be in by April 2nd. All documents related to this build are available on line when you click comment tab; highlight and click each document for information. holloway_david
  • Score: 2

8:51am Tue 6 May 14

Jim271 says...

Robin Hood Pub Halliwell Road.

White person refused permission to open it as a nursery.

Asian person allowed to open it as a gym.

Enough said.
Robin Hood Pub Halliwell Road. White person refused permission to open it as a nursery. Asian person allowed to open it as a gym. Enough said. Jim271
  • Score: 1

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