New 'landmark' mosque will be built in Farnworth

How the new Sughra Mosque in Farnworth could look

How the new Sughra Mosque in Farnworth could look

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A MOSQUE will be knocked down and rebuilt in Farnworth.

Councillors unanimously approved the plans put forward by the leaders of Sughra Mosque to demolish the existing one-storey building in Granville Street, their home for the past 40 years.

In its place they intend to build a three-storey place of worship, which will include separate halls for men and women, an IT suite, library, classrooms and two ablution areas for washing.

Mr Anwar represented the mosque at the meeting and said they had sought guidance from planning officers at Bolton Council while putting the plans together.

He added: “This building will mean a significant investment into Farnworth.”

Opponent Bryn Morgan spoke at the meeting to say the aesthetics of the new design were not liked by the local community.

He added: “Why does it have to look as it does — why can it not blend in with the local architecture?”

Since Thursday a petition and Facebook group has been set up in protest against the plans.

But Cllr Nick Peel said the debate surrounding the mosque did not fully understand planning law as laid down by the government, which the council cannot deviate from.

He added: “Anybody can put up an application to build anything they want in this town, which will be decided by planning at Bolton Council. We live in a democracy.

“The council does not put in applications for churches or mosques — people who put them in do so because there is a demand for a place of worship.”

Cllr Bob Allen said the ambition for the mosque to become a Farnworth landmark fitted with the design.

He added: “The appearance of the building is a planning issue and, as a landmark, I have absolutely no problem with this building.

"There is no doubt is stands out and that is what landmarks should do.”

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8:45am Sat 3 May 14

allan111111 says...

Another mosque.....great
Another mosque.....great allan111111
  • Score: 29

8:46am Sat 3 May 14

Tim Burr says...

The Mosque has been there for 25 years at least, the 'protestors' have had since January 2014 to complain - they didn't.

Personally, I have no problem with a rebuild but this design isn't in keeping, it's size is disproportionate to the land footprint, 60 foot minarets sitting on top of a 3 storey construction take them to at least 90 foot overall, that isn't a landmark, it's dominance.
The Mosque has been there for 25 years at least, the 'protestors' have had since January 2014 to complain - they didn't. Personally, I have no problem with a rebuild but this design isn't in keeping, it's size is disproportionate to the land footprint, 60 foot minarets sitting on top of a 3 storey construction take them to at least 90 foot overall, that isn't a landmark, it's dominance. Tim Burr
  • Score: -23

8:52am Sat 3 May 14

Wolfie190 says...

Put a big gold onion on Buckingham palace and have done with it! Buckingham palace will be a Mosque and takeaway at some point in the future.
Put a big gold onion on Buckingham palace and have done with it! Buckingham palace will be a Mosque and takeaway at some point in the future. Wolfie190
  • Score: 59

8:52am Sat 3 May 14

What the Deuce!! says...

A couple of questions BN, will people be allowed to comment freely on this article or will the comments section be closed or messages deleted when it contradicts the paper's blatant political correctness and left wing bias?

Why did the BN only see fit to report on this issue on the same morning of the planning meeting giving nobody chance to object or challenge the plans?

This is Bolton's only local paper and it should air the views of all of its readers and not just the views that the BN deems correct.
A couple of questions BN, will people be allowed to comment freely on this article or will the comments section be closed or messages deleted when it contradicts the paper's blatant political correctness and left wing bias? Why did the BN only see fit to report on this issue on the same morning of the planning meeting giving nobody chance to object or challenge the plans? This is Bolton's only local paper and it should air the views of all of its readers and not just the views that the BN deems correct. What the Deuce!!
  • Score: 81

8:58am Sat 3 May 14

What the Deuce!! says...

Tim Burr wrote:
The Mosque has been there for 25 years at least, the 'protestors' have had since January 2014 to complain - they didn't.

Personally, I have no problem with a rebuild but this design isn't in keeping, it's size is disproportionate to the land footprint, 60 foot minarets sitting on top of a 3 storey construction take them to at least 90 foot overall, that isn't a landmark, it's dominance.
How was it publicised in January 2014?
[quote][p][bold]Tim Burr[/bold] wrote: The Mosque has been there for 25 years at least, the 'protestors' have had since January 2014 to complain - they didn't. Personally, I have no problem with a rebuild but this design isn't in keeping, it's size is disproportionate to the land footprint, 60 foot minarets sitting on top of a 3 storey construction take them to at least 90 foot overall, that isn't a landmark, it's dominance.[/p][/quote]How was it publicised in January 2014? What the Deuce!!
  • Score: 29

9:01am Sat 3 May 14

CliffMorris says...

“Anybody can put up an application to build anything they want in this town, which will be decided by planning at Bolton Council. We live in a democracy."
Please read understand digest the above
“Anybody can put up an application to build anything they want in this town, which will be decided by planning at Bolton Council. We live in a democracy." Please read understand digest the above CliffMorris
  • Score: -13

9:02am Sat 3 May 14

danellis says...

But it should not be a land mark for farnworth or anywhere in england. They have loads of other mosques all over the place and you cant say there to poor to travel because they all have nice cars and family buisnes the lot. I think the council say yes being to scared they will be called rasist if they say no, well its not rasist they dont need a computer suite and a place to wash! Cant they go home and. I think its descracefull you put thousands in to mosques and you moan about fixing our roads and makeing our streets look nice.
But it should not be a land mark for farnworth or anywhere in england. They have loads of other mosques all over the place and you cant say there to poor to travel because they all have nice cars and family buisnes the lot. I think the council say yes being to scared they will be called rasist if they say no, well its not rasist they dont need a computer suite and a place to wash! Cant they go home and. I think its descracefull you put thousands in to mosques and you moan about fixing our roads and makeing our streets look nice. danellis
  • Score: 53

9:03am Sat 3 May 14

thomas222 says...

What the Deuce!! wrote:
A couple of questions BN, will people be allowed to comment freely on this article or will the comments section be closed or messages deleted when it contradicts the paper's blatant political correctness and left wing bias?

Why did the BN only see fit to report on this issue on the same morning of the planning meeting giving nobody chance to object or challenge the plans?

This is Bolton's only local paper and it should air the views of all of its readers and not just the views that the BN deems correct.
The BN have not yet sussed out who & who does not buys the paper !
Wonder if they have ever had the sense to find out where their readership comes from ?
[quote][p][bold]What the Deuce!![/bold] wrote: A couple of questions BN, will people be allowed to comment freely on this article or will the comments section be closed or messages deleted when it contradicts the paper's blatant political correctness and left wing bias? Why did the BN only see fit to report on this issue on the same morning of the planning meeting giving nobody chance to object or challenge the plans? This is Bolton's only local paper and it should air the views of all of its readers and not just the views that the BN deems correct.[/p][/quote]The BN have not yet sussed out who & who does not buys the paper ! Wonder if they have ever had the sense to find out where their readership comes from ? thomas222
  • Score: 29

9:04am Sat 3 May 14

Terry McC says...

easy answer is vote on the 22nd get rid of the idiots who don't listen to the voters bad move on there part
easy answer is vote on the 22nd get rid of the idiots who don't listen to the voters bad move on there part Terry McC
  • Score: 62

9:05am Sat 3 May 14

Janbur says...

I`m sorry but this issue wasn't advertised and I think the people of Farnworth should be allowed to vote not Bolton,We use to have a lovely town in Farnworth,but all that changed when it was transferred to Bolton,we have got to live with this,
I`m sorry but this issue wasn't advertised and I think the people of Farnworth should be allowed to vote not Bolton,We use to have a lovely town in Farnworth,but all that changed when it was transferred to Bolton,we have got to live with this, Janbur
  • Score: 58

9:11am Sat 3 May 14

thomas222 says...

Would a new Church be allowed in many Islamic Countries & Saudi Arabia who are the backers to these Mosques ? Not a prayer & we are called Racist. You could not make it up!
Would a new Church be allowed in many Islamic Countries & Saudi Arabia who are the backers to these Mosques ? Not a prayer & we are called Racist. You could not make it up! thomas222
  • Score: 88

9:11am Sat 3 May 14

Tim Burr says...

Janbur wrote:
I`m sorry but this issue wasn't advertised and I think the people of Farnworth should be allowed to vote not Bolton,We use to have a lovely town in Farnworth,but all that changed when it was transferred to Bolton,we have got to live with this,
It was advertised in this Newspaper 30th January 2014.
[quote][p][bold]Janbur[/bold] wrote: I`m sorry but this issue wasn't advertised and I think the people of Farnworth should be allowed to vote not Bolton,We use to have a lovely town in Farnworth,but all that changed when it was transferred to Bolton,we have got to live with this,[/p][/quote]It was advertised in this Newspaper 30th January 2014. Tim Burr
  • Score: -72

9:18am Sat 3 May 14

Comment777 says...

CliffMorris wrote:
“Anybody can put up an application to build anything they want in this town, which will be decided by planning at Bolton Council. We live in a democracy."
Please read understand digest the above
BUT if you are not white you have more chance of having your plans passed, not to be challenged if you make your construction larger than those plans passed and to not have to re-instate boundary walls demolished without permission during construction facilitating neighbours to fight to get these re-instated if it happens at all...

Bolton is finished as are many other towns in the UK, if you have any sense you will abandon the country and fins one which still has values that you believe in and are supported by the government of that country...
[quote][p][bold]CliffMorris[/bold] wrote: “Anybody can put up an application to build anything they want in this town, which will be decided by planning at Bolton Council. We live in a democracy." Please read understand digest the above[/p][/quote]BUT if you are not white you have more chance of having your plans passed, not to be challenged if you make your construction larger than those plans passed and to not have to re-instate boundary walls demolished without permission during construction facilitating neighbours to fight to get these re-instated if it happens at all... Bolton is finished as are many other towns in the UK, if you have any sense you will abandon the country and fins one which still has values that you believe in and are supported by the government of that country... Comment777
  • Score: 37

9:28am Sat 3 May 14

The Righteous One says...

allan111111 wrote:
Another mosque.....great
No its not another mosque. It is replacing one which is already there. the old one is being knocked down and rebuilt to current building and health & safety standards! But also to a design they want, which has been approved - just like many other non-religious monstrosity buildings have been approved in the borough!
[quote][p][bold]allan111111[/bold] wrote: Another mosque.....great[/p][/quote]No its not another mosque. It is replacing one which is already there. the old one is being knocked down and rebuilt to current building and health & safety standards! But also to a design they want, which has been approved - just like many other non-religious monstrosity buildings have been approved in the borough! The Righteous One
  • Score: -95

9:30am Sat 3 May 14

The Righteous One says...

Wolfie190 wrote:
Put a big gold onion on Buckingham palace and have done with it! Buckingham palace will be a Mosque and takeaway at some point in the future.
Did you know that the onion shape dome is actually Christian in origin and even still used on many Christian churches in Europe and elsewhere!!!! It is NOT unique to mosque's
[quote][p][bold]Wolfie190[/bold] wrote: Put a big gold onion on Buckingham palace and have done with it! Buckingham palace will be a Mosque and takeaway at some point in the future.[/p][/quote]Did you know that the onion shape dome is actually Christian in origin and even still used on many Christian churches in Europe and elsewhere!!!! It is NOT unique to mosque's The Righteous One
  • Score: -95

9:40am Sat 3 May 14

Tim Burr says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Wolfie190 wrote:
Put a big gold onion on Buckingham palace and have done with it! Buckingham palace will be a Mosque and takeaway at some point in the future.
Did you know that the onion shape dome is actually Christian in origin and even still used on many Christian churches in Europe and elsewhere!!!! It is NOT unique to mosque's
A whole bunch of people just choked on their cornflakes.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wolfie190[/bold] wrote: Put a big gold onion on Buckingham palace and have done with it! Buckingham palace will be a Mosque and takeaway at some point in the future.[/p][/quote]Did you know that the onion shape dome is actually Christian in origin and even still used on many Christian churches in Europe and elsewhere!!!! It is NOT unique to mosque's[/p][/quote]A whole bunch of people just choked on their cornflakes. Tim Burr
  • Score: 36

9:40am Sat 3 May 14

Wigan Trotter says...

Another example of the decline of what was a nice town to live in before decisions were allowed to be made by people who don't even live in Bolton, let alone Farnworth.
Another example of the decline of what was a nice town to live in before decisions were allowed to be made by people who don't even live in Bolton, let alone Farnworth. Wigan Trotter
  • Score: 50

9:43am Sat 3 May 14

DC Ferret says...

Comment777 wrote:
CliffMorris wrote: “Anybody can put up an application to build anything they want in this town, which will be decided by planning at Bolton Council. We live in a democracy." Please read understand digest the above
BUT if you are not white you have more chance of having your plans passed, not to be challenged if you make your construction larger than those plans passed and to not have to re-instate boundary walls demolished without permission during construction facilitating neighbours to fight to get these re-instated if it happens at all... Bolton is finished as are many other towns in the UK, if you have any sense you will abandon the country and fins one which still has values that you believe in and are supported by the government of that country...
hahahahaha British far Right nationalists and 'patriots' who advocate leaving the country in the face of wrongly perceived mass immigration always amuse me with the incongruity of their response, such unintentional irony, and from people who wouldn't know irony if it was on The Simpsons. Good work but could do better, keep it up
[quote][p][bold]Comment777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CliffMorris[/bold] wrote: “Anybody can put up an application to build anything they want in this town, which will be decided by planning at Bolton Council. We live in a democracy." Please read understand digest the above[/p][/quote]BUT if you are not white you have more chance of having your plans passed, not to be challenged if you make your construction larger than those plans passed and to not have to re-instate boundary walls demolished without permission during construction facilitating neighbours to fight to get these re-instated if it happens at all... Bolton is finished as are many other towns in the UK, if you have any sense you will abandon the country and fins one which still has values that you believe in and are supported by the government of that country...[/p][/quote]hahahahaha British far Right nationalists and 'patriots' who advocate leaving the country in the face of wrongly perceived mass immigration always amuse me with the incongruity of their response, such unintentional irony, and from people who wouldn't know irony if it was on The Simpsons. Good work but could do better, keep it up DC Ferret
  • Score: -64

9:47am Sat 3 May 14

CliffMorris says...

Personally think we shoukd knock down all the eyesore buildings in bolton, starting with the iron church looks so draconian
Personally think we shoukd knock down all the eyesore buildings in bolton, starting with the iron church looks so draconian CliffMorris
  • Score: -39

9:49am Sat 3 May 14

HOOSIER says...

Wolfie190 wrote:
Put a big gold onion on Buckingham palace and have done with it! Buckingham palace will be a Mosque and takeaway at some point in the future.
Help has anyone seen a backbone? Sadly britaian lost its backbone and it hasn't been seen since 1945 .
Job vacancy for sewing machinist, job will invole the manuffacture of white flags for the british to wave to immigrants.
[quote][p][bold]Wolfie190[/bold] wrote: Put a big gold onion on Buckingham palace and have done with it! Buckingham palace will be a Mosque and takeaway at some point in the future.[/p][/quote]Help has anyone seen a backbone? Sadly britaian lost its backbone and it hasn't been seen since 1945 . Job vacancy for sewing machinist, job will invole the manuffacture of white flags for the british to wave to immigrants. HOOSIER
  • Score: 76

9:58am Sat 3 May 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Wolfie190 wrote:
Put a big gold onion on Buckingham palace and have done with it! Buckingham palace will be a Mosque and takeaway at some point in the future.
Did you know that the onion shape dome is actually Christian in origin and even still used on many Christian churches in Europe and elsewhere!!!! It is NOT unique to mosque's
It is here. There you go again talking about other places. This concerns here.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wolfie190[/bold] wrote: Put a big gold onion on Buckingham palace and have done with it! Buckingham palace will be a Mosque and takeaway at some point in the future.[/p][/quote]Did you know that the onion shape dome is actually Christian in origin and even still used on many Christian churches in Europe and elsewhere!!!! It is NOT unique to mosque's[/p][/quote]It is here. There you go again talking about other places. This concerns here. thomas222
  • Score: -8

10:12am Sat 3 May 14

Tim Burr says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Wolfie190 wrote:
Put a big gold onion on Buckingham palace and have done with it! Buckingham palace will be a Mosque and takeaway at some point in the future.
Did you know that the onion shape dome is actually Christian in origin and even still used on many Christian churches in Europe and elsewhere!!!! It is NOT unique to mosque's
It is here. There you go again talking about other places. This concerns here.
thomas222 wrote
"Would a new Church be allowed in many Islamic Countries & Saudi Arabia"
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wolfie190[/bold] wrote: Put a big gold onion on Buckingham palace and have done with it! Buckingham palace will be a Mosque and takeaway at some point in the future.[/p][/quote]Did you know that the onion shape dome is actually Christian in origin and even still used on many Christian churches in Europe and elsewhere!!!! It is NOT unique to mosque's[/p][/quote]It is here. There you go again talking about other places. This concerns here.[/p][/quote]thomas222 wrote "Would a new Church be allowed in many Islamic Countries & Saudi Arabia" Tim Burr
  • Score: 21

10:25am Sat 3 May 14

The Righteous One says...

Comment777 wrote:
CliffMorris wrote:
“Anybody can put up an application to build anything they want in this town, which will be decided by planning at Bolton Council. We live in a democracy."
Please read understand digest the above
BUT if you are not white you have more chance of having your plans passed, not to be challenged if you make your construction larger than those plans passed and to not have to re-instate boundary walls demolished without permission during construction facilitating neighbours to fight to get these re-instated if it happens at all...

Bolton is finished as are many other towns in the UK, if you have any sense you will abandon the country and fins one which still has values that you believe in and are supported by the government of that country...
So you seem to have forgotten about the "Asian" doctor that had to have his extension pulled down?

Or what about the planning applications that have been turned down by many non-White British citizens of Bolton?

So it seems a bit of a myth the claim you make!!!
[quote][p][bold]Comment777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CliffMorris[/bold] wrote: “Anybody can put up an application to build anything they want in this town, which will be decided by planning at Bolton Council. We live in a democracy." Please read understand digest the above[/p][/quote]BUT if you are not white you have more chance of having your plans passed, not to be challenged if you make your construction larger than those plans passed and to not have to re-instate boundary walls demolished without permission during construction facilitating neighbours to fight to get these re-instated if it happens at all... Bolton is finished as are many other towns in the UK, if you have any sense you will abandon the country and fins one which still has values that you believe in and are supported by the government of that country...[/p][/quote]So you seem to have forgotten about the "Asian" doctor that had to have his extension pulled down? Or what about the planning applications that have been turned down by many non-White British citizens of Bolton? So it seems a bit of a myth the claim you make!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -49

10:25am Sat 3 May 14

thomas222 says...

Tim Burr wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Wolfie190 wrote:
Put a big gold onion on Buckingham palace and have done with it! Buckingham palace will be a Mosque and takeaway at some point in the future.
Did you know that the onion shape dome is actually Christian in origin and even still used on many Christian churches in Europe and elsewhere!!!! It is NOT unique to mosque's
It is here. There you go again talking about other places. This concerns here.
thomas222 wrote
"Would a new Church be allowed in many Islamic Countries & Saudi Arabia"
No Tim & its not against a new mosque its the location shape & size that bothers people & thats not racist thats free choice to like or dislike something. It happens all the time with planning issues but this is a great example of how the word racist is used to shout & shut down any sensible dabate. Crying Wolf to many times causes what ? : )
[quote][p][bold]Tim Burr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wolfie190[/bold] wrote: Put a big gold onion on Buckingham palace and have done with it! Buckingham palace will be a Mosque and takeaway at some point in the future.[/p][/quote]Did you know that the onion shape dome is actually Christian in origin and even still used on many Christian churches in Europe and elsewhere!!!! It is NOT unique to mosque's[/p][/quote]It is here. There you go again talking about other places. This concerns here.[/p][/quote]thomas222 wrote "Would a new Church be allowed in many Islamic Countries & Saudi Arabia"[/p][/quote]No Tim & its not against a new mosque its the location shape & size that bothers people & thats not racist thats free choice to like or dislike something. It happens all the time with planning issues but this is a great example of how the word racist is used to shout & shut down any sensible dabate. Crying Wolf to many times causes what ? : ) thomas222
  • Score: 25

10:29am Sat 3 May 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Wolfie190 wrote:
Put a big gold onion on Buckingham palace and have done with it! Buckingham palace will be a Mosque and takeaway at some point in the future.
Did you know that the onion shape dome is actually Christian in origin and even still used on many Christian churches in Europe and elsewhere!!!! It is NOT unique to mosque's
It is here. There you go again talking about other places. This concerns here.
But you are forgetting YOUR religious heritage!

Even in London, South Manchester and in Blackburn there are Roman Catholic Churches with an "onion" dome. And many Kirks in Scotland have "onion" domes!

So it seems it also has to do with HERE. You really ought to do your research before posting as you are looking sillier by the day!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wolfie190[/bold] wrote: Put a big gold onion on Buckingham palace and have done with it! Buckingham palace will be a Mosque and takeaway at some point in the future.[/p][/quote]Did you know that the onion shape dome is actually Christian in origin and even still used on many Christian churches in Europe and elsewhere!!!! It is NOT unique to mosque's[/p][/quote]It is here. There you go again talking about other places. This concerns here.[/p][/quote]But you are forgetting YOUR religious heritage! Even in London, South Manchester and in Blackburn there are Roman Catholic Churches with an "onion" dome. And many Kirks in Scotland have "onion" domes! So it seems it also has to do with HERE. You really ought to do your research before posting as you are looking sillier by the day! The Righteous One
  • Score: -45

10:38am Sat 3 May 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
Would a new Church be allowed in many Islamic Countries & Saudi Arabia who are the backers to these Mosques ? Not a prayer & we are called Racist. You could not make it up!
Err YES there are allowed!!!

In fact there is a small but strong Roman Catholic group in Saudi Arabia and if you look at any typical Islamic country they also live with people who believe in other religions such as any of the 300+ Christian religions!!!!

Again you really ought to do your research before spouting lies!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Would a new Church be allowed in many Islamic Countries & Saudi Arabia who are the backers to these Mosques ? Not a prayer & we are called Racist. You could not make it up![/p][/quote]Err YES there are allowed!!! In fact there is a small but strong Roman Catholic group in Saudi Arabia and if you look at any typical Islamic country they also live with people who believe in other religions such as any of the 300+ Christian religions!!!! Again you really ought to do your research before spouting lies!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -22

10:45am Sat 3 May 14

Tim Burr says...

thomas222 wrote:
Tim Burr wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Wolfie190 wrote:
Put a big gold onion on Buckingham palace and have done with it! Buckingham palace will be a Mosque and takeaway at some point in the future.
Did you know that the onion shape dome is actually Christian in origin and even still used on many Christian churches in Europe and elsewhere!!!! It is NOT unique to mosque's
It is here. There you go again talking about other places. This concerns here.
thomas222 wrote
"Would a new Church be allowed in many Islamic Countries & Saudi Arabia"
No Tim & its not against a new mosque its the location shape & size that bothers people & thats not racist thats free choice to like or dislike something. It happens all the time with planning issues but this is a great example of how the word racist is used to shout & shut down any sensible dabate. Crying Wolf to many times causes what ? : )
It's been there 40 years, so forget the location argument.
Size, I'd agree with you and think it should have been sent back to be reworked - it's been a Mosque for 40 years in it's present state so why all of a sudden it needs 90 foot minarets is anybodies guess - because it doesn't. Given they're (the Mosque) not permitted any audio or call to prayer announcements, the minarets serve no purpose, are unnecessary and a blot on the landscape.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tim Burr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wolfie190[/bold] wrote: Put a big gold onion on Buckingham palace and have done with it! Buckingham palace will be a Mosque and takeaway at some point in the future.[/p][/quote]Did you know that the onion shape dome is actually Christian in origin and even still used on many Christian churches in Europe and elsewhere!!!! It is NOT unique to mosque's[/p][/quote]It is here. There you go again talking about other places. This concerns here.[/p][/quote]thomas222 wrote "Would a new Church be allowed in many Islamic Countries & Saudi Arabia"[/p][/quote]No Tim & its not against a new mosque its the location shape & size that bothers people & thats not racist thats free choice to like or dislike something. It happens all the time with planning issues but this is a great example of how the word racist is used to shout & shut down any sensible dabate. Crying Wolf to many times causes what ? : )[/p][/quote]It's been there 40 years, so forget the location argument. Size, I'd agree with you and think it should have been sent back to be reworked - it's been a Mosque for 40 years in it's present state so why all of a sudden it needs 90 foot minarets is anybodies guess - because it doesn't. Given they're (the Mosque) not permitted any audio or call to prayer announcements, the minarets serve no purpose, are unnecessary and a blot on the landscape. Tim Burr
  • Score: 36

11:15am Sat 3 May 14

Wolfie190 says...

thomas222 wrote:
What the Deuce!! wrote:
A couple of questions BN, will people be allowed to comment freely on this article or will the comments section be closed or messages deleted when it contradicts the paper's blatant political correctness and left wing bias?

Why did the BN only see fit to report on this issue on the same morning of the planning meeting giving nobody chance to object or challenge the plans?

This is Bolton's only local paper and it should air the views of all of its readers and not just the views that the BN deems correct.
The BN have not yet sussed out who & who does not buys the paper !
Wonder if they have ever had the sense to find out where their readership comes from ?
The media in UK/USA are owned by Jewish multiculturalists they have an agenda the Bolton news is part of that.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]What the Deuce!![/bold] wrote: A couple of questions BN, will people be allowed to comment freely on this article or will the comments section be closed or messages deleted when it contradicts the paper's blatant political correctness and left wing bias? Why did the BN only see fit to report on this issue on the same morning of the planning meeting giving nobody chance to object or challenge the plans? This is Bolton's only local paper and it should air the views of all of its readers and not just the views that the BN deems correct.[/p][/quote]The BN have not yet sussed out who & who does not buys the paper ! Wonder if they have ever had the sense to find out where their readership comes from ?[/p][/quote]The media in UK/USA are owned by Jewish multiculturalists they have an agenda the Bolton news is part of that. Wolfie190
  • Score: 14

11:17am Sat 3 May 14

thomas222 says...

Tim Burr wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Tim Burr wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Wolfie190 wrote:
Put a big gold onion on Buckingham palace and have done with it! Buckingham palace will be a Mosque and takeaway at some point in the future.
Did you know that the onion shape dome is actually Christian in origin and even still used on many Christian churches in Europe and elsewhere!!!! It is NOT unique to mosque's
It is here. There you go again talking about other places. This concerns here.
thomas222 wrote
"Would a new Church be allowed in many Islamic Countries & Saudi Arabia"
No Tim & its not against a new mosque its the location shape & size that bothers people & thats not racist thats free choice to like or dislike something. It happens all the time with planning issues but this is a great example of how the word racist is used to shout & shut down any sensible dabate. Crying Wolf to many times causes what ? : )
It's been there 40 years, so forget the location argument.
Size, I'd agree with you and think it should have been sent back to be reworked - it's been a Mosque for 40 years in it's present state so why all of a sudden it needs 90 foot minarets is anybodies guess - because it doesn't. Given they're (the Mosque) not permitted any audio or call to prayer announcements, the minarets serve no purpose, are unnecessary and a blot on the landscape.
We agree...
[quote][p][bold]Tim Burr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tim Burr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wolfie190[/bold] wrote: Put a big gold onion on Buckingham palace and have done with it! Buckingham palace will be a Mosque and takeaway at some point in the future.[/p][/quote]Did you know that the onion shape dome is actually Christian in origin and even still used on many Christian churches in Europe and elsewhere!!!! It is NOT unique to mosque's[/p][/quote]It is here. There you go again talking about other places. This concerns here.[/p][/quote]thomas222 wrote "Would a new Church be allowed in many Islamic Countries & Saudi Arabia"[/p][/quote]No Tim & its not against a new mosque its the location shape & size that bothers people & thats not racist thats free choice to like or dislike something. It happens all the time with planning issues but this is a great example of how the word racist is used to shout & shut down any sensible dabate. Crying Wolf to many times causes what ? : )[/p][/quote]It's been there 40 years, so forget the location argument. Size, I'd agree with you and think it should have been sent back to be reworked - it's been a Mosque for 40 years in it's present state so why all of a sudden it needs 90 foot minarets is anybodies guess - because it doesn't. Given they're (the Mosque) not permitted any audio or call to prayer announcements, the minarets serve no purpose, are unnecessary and a blot on the landscape.[/p][/quote]We agree... thomas222
  • Score: 13

11:19am Sat 3 May 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Would a new Church be allowed in many Islamic Countries & Saudi Arabia who are the backers to these Mosques ? Not a prayer & we are called Racist. You could not make it up!
Err YES there are allowed!!!

In fact there is a small but strong Roman Catholic group in Saudi Arabia and if you look at any typical Islamic country they also live with people who believe in other religions such as any of the 300+ Christian religions!!!!

Again you really ought to do your research before spouting lies!!!
That lot is a complete lie and anyone can google it......
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Would a new Church be allowed in many Islamic Countries & Saudi Arabia who are the backers to these Mosques ? Not a prayer & we are called Racist. You could not make it up![/p][/quote]Err YES there are allowed!!! In fact there is a small but strong Roman Catholic group in Saudi Arabia and if you look at any typical Islamic country they also live with people who believe in other religions such as any of the 300+ Christian religions!!!! Again you really ought to do your research before spouting lies!!![/p][/quote]That lot is a complete lie and anyone can google it...... thomas222
  • Score: 13

11:22am Sat 3 May 14

rostron says...

CliffMorris wrote:
Personally think we shoukd knock down all the eyesore buildings in bolton, starting with the iron church looks so draconian
nothing wrong with iron church, leave it alone !
[quote][p][bold]CliffMorris[/bold] wrote: Personally think we shoukd knock down all the eyesore buildings in bolton, starting with the iron church looks so draconian[/p][/quote]nothing wrong with iron church, leave it alone ! rostron
  • Score: 24

11:35am Sat 3 May 14

allan111111 says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Would a new Church be allowed in many Islamic Countries & Saudi Arabia who are the backers to these Mosques ? Not a prayer & we are called Racist. You could not make it up!
Err YES there are allowed!!!

In fact there is a small but strong Roman Catholic group in Saudi Arabia and if you look at any typical Islamic country they also live with people who believe in other religions such as any of the 300+ Christian religions!!!!

Again you really ought to do your research before spouting lies!!!
That lot is a complete lie and anyone can google it......
Bit of advice, don't believe everything you google.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Would a new Church be allowed in many Islamic Countries & Saudi Arabia who are the backers to these Mosques ? Not a prayer & we are called Racist. You could not make it up![/p][/quote]Err YES there are allowed!!! In fact there is a small but strong Roman Catholic group in Saudi Arabia and if you look at any typical Islamic country they also live with people who believe in other religions such as any of the 300+ Christian religions!!!! Again you really ought to do your research before spouting lies!!![/p][/quote]That lot is a complete lie and anyone can google it......[/p][/quote]Bit of advice, don't believe everything you google. allan111111
  • Score: -12

11:43am Sat 3 May 14

thomas222 says...

allan111111 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Would a new Church be allowed in many Islamic Countries & Saudi Arabia who are the backers to these Mosques ? Not a prayer & we are called Racist. You could not make it up!
Err YES there are allowed!!!

In fact there is a small but strong Roman Catholic group in Saudi Arabia and if you look at any typical Islamic country they also live with people who believe in other religions such as any of the 300+ Christian religions!!!!

Again you really ought to do your research before spouting lies!!!
That lot is a complete lie and anyone can google it......
Bit of advice, don't believe everything you google.
Bit of advice dont believe anything TRO. says. He gets his info from google btw.
[quote][p][bold]allan111111[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Would a new Church be allowed in many Islamic Countries & Saudi Arabia who are the backers to these Mosques ? Not a prayer & we are called Racist. You could not make it up![/p][/quote]Err YES there are allowed!!! In fact there is a small but strong Roman Catholic group in Saudi Arabia and if you look at any typical Islamic country they also live with people who believe in other religions such as any of the 300+ Christian religions!!!! Again you really ought to do your research before spouting lies!!![/p][/quote]That lot is a complete lie and anyone can google it......[/p][/quote]Bit of advice, don't believe everything you google.[/p][/quote]Bit of advice dont believe anything TRO. says. He gets his info from google btw. thomas222
  • Score: 13

11:46am Sat 3 May 14

Thatissowrong says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Would a new Church be allowed in many Islamic Countries & Saudi Arabia who are the backers to these Mosques ? Not a prayer & we are called Racist. You could not make it up!
Err YES there are allowed!!!

In fact there is a small but strong Roman Catholic group in Saudi Arabia and if you look at any typical Islamic country they also live with people who believe in other religions such as any of the 300+ Christian religions!!!!

Again you really ought to do your research before spouting lies!!!
Err no they aren't. I lived in the KSA for four years. I worked and socialised with Saudis from all levels of their society. Christianity, both the practice of and symbols of are against the law. On entering the country all luggage is searched and any non-Islamic religious articles are confiscated.
British Aerospace have a massive presence there. Their employees live in gated residential compounds. I regularly visited friends there. One Christmas 6 friends were deported for singing carols having been overheard by a Saudi visitor.
So yes of course there are Christians there but their religion is banned.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Would a new Church be allowed in many Islamic Countries & Saudi Arabia who are the backers to these Mosques ? Not a prayer & we are called Racist. You could not make it up![/p][/quote]Err YES there are allowed!!! In fact there is a small but strong Roman Catholic group in Saudi Arabia and if you look at any typical Islamic country they also live with people who believe in other religions such as any of the 300+ Christian religions!!!! Again you really ought to do your research before spouting lies!!![/p][/quote]Err no they aren't. I lived in the KSA for four years. I worked and socialised with Saudis from all levels of their society. Christianity, both the practice of and symbols of are against the law. On entering the country all luggage is searched and any non-Islamic religious articles are confiscated. British Aerospace have a massive presence there. Their employees live in gated residential compounds. I regularly visited friends there. One Christmas 6 friends were deported for singing carols having been overheard by a Saudi visitor. So yes of course there are Christians there but their religion is banned. Thatissowrong
  • Score: 44

12:37pm Sat 3 May 14

Lynn57 says...

Janbur wrote:
I`m sorry but this issue wasn't advertised and I think the people of Farnworth should be allowed to vote not Bolton,We use to have a lovely town in Farnworth,but all that changed when it was transferred to Bolton,we have got to live with this,
I agree with your concerns about voting but to describe Farnworth as once being a lovely town is pushing it a bit. I have lived in the area for fifty years and Farnworth and surrounding environs have always been depressing deprived dumps.
[quote][p][bold]Janbur[/bold] wrote: I`m sorry but this issue wasn't advertised and I think the people of Farnworth should be allowed to vote not Bolton,We use to have a lovely town in Farnworth,but all that changed when it was transferred to Bolton,we have got to live with this,[/p][/quote]I agree with your concerns about voting but to describe Farnworth as once being a lovely town is pushing it a bit. I have lived in the area for fifty years and Farnworth and surrounding environs have always been depressing deprived dumps. Lynn57
  • Score: 15

12:46pm Sat 3 May 14

Lynn57 says...

CliffMorris wrote:
Personally think we shoukd knock down all the eyesore buildings in bolton, starting with the iron church looks so draconian
Personally I think that the whole of Newport Street should be bulldozed it stinks of poverty and despair with the charity shops, pawnbrokers, Bright house type shops and Pound land, also cheap clothes shops like Bon Marche et al in contrast on a recent trip to Wigan (another old ex mill town) it was clean bright and welcoming with quaint arcades and pleasant side streets with more unusual type shops. A working class town all the same but they had tried to make it pleasant.
[quote][p][bold]CliffMorris[/bold] wrote: Personally think we shoukd knock down all the eyesore buildings in bolton, starting with the iron church looks so draconian[/p][/quote]Personally I think that the whole of Newport Street should be bulldozed it stinks of poverty and despair with the charity shops, pawnbrokers, Bright house type shops and Pound land, also cheap clothes shops like Bon Marche et al in contrast on a recent trip to Wigan (another old ex mill town) it was clean bright and welcoming with quaint arcades and pleasant side streets with more unusual type shops. A working class town all the same but they had tried to make it pleasant. Lynn57
  • Score: 33

12:57pm Sat 3 May 14

Home is where the heart is says...

Tim Burr wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Tim Burr wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Wolfie190 wrote:
Put a big gold onion on Buckingham palace and have done with it! Buckingham palace will be a Mosque and takeaway at some point in the future.
Did you know that the onion shape dome is actually Christian in origin and even still used on many Christian churches in Europe and elsewhere!!!! It is NOT unique to mosque's
It is here. There you go again talking about other places. This concerns here.
thomas222 wrote
"Would a new Church be allowed in many Islamic Countries & Saudi Arabia"
No Tim & its not against a new mosque its the location shape & size that bothers people & thats not racist thats free choice to like or dislike something. It happens all the time with planning issues but this is a great example of how the word racist is used to shout & shut down any sensible dabate. Crying Wolf to many times causes what ? : )
It's been there 40 years, so forget the location argument.
Size, I'd agree with you and think it should have been sent back to be reworked - it's been a Mosque for 40 years in it's present state so why all of a sudden it needs 90 foot minarets is anybodies guess - because it doesn't. Given they're (the Mosque) not permitted any audio or call to prayer announcements, the minarets serve no purpose, are unnecessary and a blot on the landscape.
The minarets have obviously been included with an eye to the future when the Islamic element can get enough people on the council to vote in anything they wish for.The call to prayer racket five times a day could eventually become a part of our everyday life as it is over in the east The opposition to such a move would be undoubtedly deafening but could actually become a reality if the slow insidious islamification of our predominately christian nation's laws and values continue to be eaten away like a cancer by a so called 'minority' race ..

Vote UKIP...you know it makes sense!
[quote][p][bold]Tim Burr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tim Burr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wolfie190[/bold] wrote: Put a big gold onion on Buckingham palace and have done with it! Buckingham palace will be a Mosque and takeaway at some point in the future.[/p][/quote]Did you know that the onion shape dome is actually Christian in origin and even still used on many Christian churches in Europe and elsewhere!!!! It is NOT unique to mosque's[/p][/quote]It is here. There you go again talking about other places. This concerns here.[/p][/quote]thomas222 wrote "Would a new Church be allowed in many Islamic Countries & Saudi Arabia"[/p][/quote]No Tim & its not against a new mosque its the location shape & size that bothers people & thats not racist thats free choice to like or dislike something. It happens all the time with planning issues but this is a great example of how the word racist is used to shout & shut down any sensible dabate. Crying Wolf to many times causes what ? : )[/p][/quote]It's been there 40 years, so forget the location argument. Size, I'd agree with you and think it should have been sent back to be reworked - it's been a Mosque for 40 years in it's present state so why all of a sudden it needs 90 foot minarets is anybodies guess - because it doesn't. Given they're (the Mosque) not permitted any audio or call to prayer announcements, the minarets serve no purpose, are unnecessary and a blot on the landscape.[/p][/quote]The minarets have obviously been included with an eye to the future when the Islamic element can get enough people on the council to vote in anything they wish for.The call to prayer racket five times a day could eventually become a part of our everyday life as it is over in the east The opposition to such a move would be undoubtedly deafening but could actually become a reality if the slow insidious islamification of our predominately christian nation's laws and values continue to be eaten away like a cancer by a so called 'minority' race .. Vote UKIP...you know it makes sense! Home is where the heart is
  • Score: 38

1:26pm Sat 3 May 14

tillyflop53 says...

Why are we surprised at this! we dont have a say. it will get worse . This country is in a mess. too many foreigners let in now. Gateway to Bolton should be closed. The town is stuffed but the council dont care.
Why are we surprised at this! we dont have a say. it will get worse . This country is in a mess. too many foreigners let in now. Gateway to Bolton should be closed. The town is stuffed but the council dont care. tillyflop53
  • Score: 34

1:27pm Sat 3 May 14

brinhambo says...

Why bother wasting time having a planning meeting about this we all know the outcome
Why bother wasting time having a planning meeting about this we all know the outcome brinhambo
  • Score: 33

1:29pm Sat 3 May 14

tillyflop53 says...

CliffMorris wrote:
“Anybody can put up an application to build anything they want in this town, which will be decided by planning at Bolton Council. We live in a democracy."
Please read understand digest the above
Democracy..........d
ont make me laugh.
[quote][p][bold]CliffMorris[/bold] wrote: “Anybody can put up an application to build anything they want in this town, which will be decided by planning at Bolton Council. We live in a democracy." Please read understand digest the above[/p][/quote]Democracy..........d ont make me laugh. tillyflop53
  • Score: 19

1:34pm Sat 3 May 14

tillyflop53 says...

rostron wrote:
CliffMorris wrote:
Personally think we shoukd knock down all the eyesore buildings in bolton, starting with the iron church looks so draconian
nothing wrong with iron church, leave it alone !
Get rid of this awful council more like! Leave churches alone, you'd only go and approve yet another mosque :(
[quote][p][bold]rostron[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CliffMorris[/bold] wrote: Personally think we shoukd knock down all the eyesore buildings in bolton, starting with the iron church looks so draconian[/p][/quote]nothing wrong with iron church, leave it alone ![/p][/quote]Get rid of this awful council more like! Leave churches alone, you'd only go and approve yet another mosque :( tillyflop53
  • Score: 24

1:57pm Sat 3 May 14

allan111111 says...

Lynn57 wrote:
CliffMorris wrote:
Personally think we shoukd knock down all the eyesore buildings in bolton, starting with the iron church looks so draconian
Personally I think that the whole of Newport Street should be bulldozed it stinks of poverty and despair with the charity shops, pawnbrokers, Bright house type shops and Pound land, also cheap clothes shops like Bon Marche et al in contrast on a recent trip to Wigan (another old ex mill town) it was clean bright and welcoming with quaint arcades and pleasant side streets with more unusual type shops. A working class town all the same but they had tried to make it pleasant.
Why not move there then
[quote][p][bold]Lynn57[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CliffMorris[/bold] wrote: Personally think we shoukd knock down all the eyesore buildings in bolton, starting with the iron church looks so draconian[/p][/quote]Personally I think that the whole of Newport Street should be bulldozed it stinks of poverty and despair with the charity shops, pawnbrokers, Bright house type shops and Pound land, also cheap clothes shops like Bon Marche et al in contrast on a recent trip to Wigan (another old ex mill town) it was clean bright and welcoming with quaint arcades and pleasant side streets with more unusual type shops. A working class town all the same but they had tried to make it pleasant.[/p][/quote]Why not move there then allan111111
  • Score: -22

2:02pm Sat 3 May 14

gladrill says...

Terry McC wrote:
easy answer is vote on the 22nd get rid of the idiots who don't listen to the voters bad move on there part
I agree it is time these idiots went
[quote][p][bold]Terry McC[/bold] wrote: easy answer is vote on the 22nd get rid of the idiots who don't listen to the voters bad move on there part[/p][/quote]I agree it is time these idiots went gladrill
  • Score: 31

3:08pm Sat 3 May 14

rnorris says...

Come on......surely nobody expected this to be turned down did they ? This is Cliff Morris and co that were talking about. They want the Asian vote....
Come on......surely nobody expected this to be turned down did they ? This is Cliff Morris and co that were talking about. They want the Asian vote.... rnorris
  • Score: 29

3:10pm Sat 3 May 14

holloway_david says...

Lynn57 wrote:
Janbur wrote:
I`m sorry but this issue wasn't advertised and I think the people of Farnworth should be allowed to vote not Bolton,We use to have a lovely town in Farnworth,but all that changed when it was transferred to Bolton,we have got to live with this,
I agree with your concerns about voting but to describe Farnworth as once being a lovely town is pushing it a bit. I have lived in the area for fifty years and Farnworth and surrounding environs have always been depressing deprived dumps.
The Mosque has been advertised in the Bolton News under Public & Legal notices where comments had to be in by April 2nd.
[quote][p][bold]Lynn57[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Janbur[/bold] wrote: I`m sorry but this issue wasn't advertised and I think the people of Farnworth should be allowed to vote not Bolton,We use to have a lovely town in Farnworth,but all that changed when it was transferred to Bolton,we have got to live with this,[/p][/quote]I agree with your concerns about voting but to describe Farnworth as once being a lovely town is pushing it a bit. I have lived in the area for fifty years and Farnworth and surrounding environs have always been depressing deprived dumps.[/p][/quote]The Mosque has been advertised in the Bolton News under Public & Legal notices where comments had to be in by April 2nd. holloway_david
  • Score: -5

3:14pm Sat 3 May 14

Bob Shaftoe says...

Tim Burr wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Tim Burr wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Wolfie190 wrote:
Put a big gold onion on Buckingham palace and have done with it! Buckingham palace will be a Mosque and takeaway at some point in the future.
Did you know that the onion shape dome is actually Christian in origin and even still used on many Christian churches in Europe and elsewhere!!!! It is NOT unique to mosque's
It is here. There you go again talking about other places. This concerns here.
thomas222 wrote
"Would a new Church be allowed in many Islamic Countries & Saudi Arabia"
No Tim & its not against a new mosque its the location shape & size that bothers people & thats not racist thats free choice to like or dislike something. It happens all the time with planning issues but this is a great example of how the word racist is used to shout & shut down any sensible dabate. Crying Wolf to many times causes what ? : )
It's been there 40 years, so forget the location argument.
Size, I'd agree with you and think it should have been sent back to be reworked - it's been a Mosque for 40 years in it's present state so why all of a sudden it needs 90 foot minarets is anybodies guess - because it doesn't. Given they're (the Mosque) not permitted any audio or call to prayer announcements, the minarets serve no purpose, are unnecessary and a blot on the landscape.
- 'a blot on the landscape'. That was solely the point of my earlier posts, an eyesore in my words. Nothing to do with race or religion.
You are right, it should have been sent back. It also should have been made public by the BN, not many people, if any, read items in public notices and for anyone to say this application was there for all to see seems disingenuous. There is a distinct whiff around this one.
[quote][p][bold]Tim Burr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tim Burr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wolfie190[/bold] wrote: Put a big gold onion on Buckingham palace and have done with it! Buckingham palace will be a Mosque and takeaway at some point in the future.[/p][/quote]Did you know that the onion shape dome is actually Christian in origin and even still used on many Christian churches in Europe and elsewhere!!!! It is NOT unique to mosque's[/p][/quote]It is here. There you go again talking about other places. This concerns here.[/p][/quote]thomas222 wrote "Would a new Church be allowed in many Islamic Countries & Saudi Arabia"[/p][/quote]No Tim & its not against a new mosque its the location shape & size that bothers people & thats not racist thats free choice to like or dislike something. It happens all the time with planning issues but this is a great example of how the word racist is used to shout & shut down any sensible dabate. Crying Wolf to many times causes what ? : )[/p][/quote]It's been there 40 years, so forget the location argument. Size, I'd agree with you and think it should have been sent back to be reworked - it's been a Mosque for 40 years in it's present state so why all of a sudden it needs 90 foot minarets is anybodies guess - because it doesn't. Given they're (the Mosque) not permitted any audio or call to prayer announcements, the minarets serve no purpose, are unnecessary and a blot on the landscape.[/p][/quote]- 'a blot on the landscape'. That was solely the point of my earlier posts, an eyesore in my words. Nothing to do with race or religion. You are right, it should have been sent back. It also should have been made public by the BN, not many people, if any, read items in public notices and for anyone to say this application was there for all to see seems disingenuous. There is a distinct whiff around this one. Bob Shaftoe
  • Score: 16

3:44pm Sat 3 May 14

JustBecause says...

No issue with mosques, my beef is with the total nonsense the council use to try to justify an massive eyesore.

Gateway to Farnworth, on a one way street out ?
Will bring investment to Farnworth? How
Landmark building? Eh.
Local residence will suffer but hey ho
Not enough parking ?
100% a political decision.

They will use 3rd rate "in house" workers and building control will get nowhere near.

We have a very corrupt and cowardly council, fingers crossed for UKIP

And as for the disgraceful paper, why did they have to make a point regarding the oppositions political allegiance, they didn't mention anyone else's party preference.
No issue with mosques, my beef is with the total nonsense the council use to try to justify an massive eyesore. Gateway to Farnworth, on a one way street out ? Will bring investment to Farnworth? How Landmark building? Eh. Local residence will suffer but hey ho Not enough parking ? 100% a political decision. They will use 3rd rate "in house" workers and building control will get nowhere near. We have a very corrupt and cowardly council, fingers crossed for UKIP And as for the disgraceful paper, why did they have to make a point regarding the oppositions political allegiance, they didn't mention anyone else's party preference. JustBecause
  • Score: 25

3:52pm Sat 3 May 14

holloway_david says...

Tim Burr wrote:
Janbur wrote:
I`m sorry but this issue wasn't advertised and I think the people of Farnworth should be allowed to vote not Bolton,We use to have a lovely town in Farnworth,but all that changed when it was transferred to Bolton,we have got to live with this,
It was advertised in this Newspaper 30th January 2014.
But comments in by April 2nd.
[quote][p][bold]Tim Burr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Janbur[/bold] wrote: I`m sorry but this issue wasn't advertised and I think the people of Farnworth should be allowed to vote not Bolton,We use to have a lovely town in Farnworth,but all that changed when it was transferred to Bolton,we have got to live with this,[/p][/quote]It was advertised in this Newspaper 30th January 2014.[/p][/quote]But comments in by April 2nd. holloway_david
  • Score: 3

4:09pm Sat 3 May 14

bwfc58 says...

Lets be honest the mosque was going to get passed to be built, no matter what every one in Farnworth wanted, so like I keep saying we should all show this Bolton Council what we all think of them in the coming Local and EU elections in just over two weeks time,and Vote for UKIP as again they are the only party that will stop all these mosque being built in this once great country of ours FACT, as the so called three main parties do not care less about the British people again FACT, but they bent over backwards for the Ethnic people again FACT, but lucky for the British people we are still for now the Majority people in this once great country of ours so if we all vote for UKIP none of the so called three main parties would stand a chance in the next Local, National, & EU elections again FACT, so lets tell all our families and friends to vet for UKIP from now on, now only a few will not agree with me but most of you will agree with me, so the few that do not agree with me I could not care less about you, but them that do agree with me I do care very much for you so come and vote for UKIP.
Lets be honest the mosque was going to get passed to be built, no matter what every one in Farnworth wanted, so like I keep saying we should all show this Bolton Council what we all think of them in the coming Local and EU elections in just over two weeks time,and Vote for UKIP as again they are the only party that will stop all these mosque being built in this once great country of ours FACT, as the so called three main parties do not care less about the British people again FACT, but they bent over backwards for the Ethnic people again FACT, but lucky for the British people we are still for now the Majority people in this once great country of ours so if we all vote for UKIP none of the so called three main parties would stand a chance in the next Local, National, & EU elections again FACT, so lets tell all our families and friends to vet for UKIP from now on, now only a few will not agree with me but most of you will agree with me, so the few that do not agree with me I could not care less about you, but them that do agree with me I do care very much for you so come and vote for UKIP. bwfc58
  • Score: 24

4:13pm Sat 3 May 14

holloway_david says...

You can see all documents on line at Bolton Council website through the planning portal . Key in the search column box 91314/14. and click on documents; you can then go through each individual paper.
The application to Bolton Planning was Jan 15th . It is the planning department who approve or reject each application and in this case was approved and sent to councillors on the planning committee for vote.
Note when this was published in Bolton News Jan 30th and the date when all public comments were to be in by------- April 2nd.
You can see all documents on line at Bolton Council website through the planning portal . Key in the search column box 91314/14. and click on documents; you can then go through each individual paper. The application to Bolton Planning was Jan 15th . It is the planning department who approve or reject each application and in this case was approved and sent to councillors on the planning committee for vote. Note when this was published in Bolton News Jan 30th and the date when all public comments were to be in by------- April 2nd. holloway_david
  • Score: 3

4:27pm Sat 3 May 14

holloway_david says...

holloway_david wrote:
You can see all documents on line at Bolton Council website through the planning portal . Key in the search column box 91314/14. and click on documents; you can then go through each individual paper.
The application to Bolton Planning was Jan 15th . It is the planning department who approve or reject each application and in this case was approved and sent to councillors on the planning committee for vote.
Note when this was published in Bolton News Jan 30th and the date when all public comments were to be in by------- April 2nd.
PS: In planning it is normal to inform the nearest neighbours first by posted letter of any application, in this case you have to ask yourself who the nearest neighbours were but certainly they would have known earlier than the publication in the Bolton News.
[quote][p][bold]holloway_david[/bold] wrote: You can see all documents on line at Bolton Council website through the planning portal . Key in the search column box 91314/14. and click on documents; you can then go through each individual paper. The application to Bolton Planning was Jan 15th . It is the planning department who approve or reject each application and in this case was approved and sent to councillors on the planning committee for vote. Note when this was published in Bolton News Jan 30th and the date when all public comments were to be in by------- April 2nd.[/p][/quote]PS: In planning it is normal to inform the nearest neighbours first by posted letter of any application, in this case you have to ask yourself who the nearest neighbours were but certainly they would have known earlier than the publication in the Bolton News. holloway_david
  • Score: 4

5:20pm Sat 3 May 14

The Wasp says...

CliffMorris wrote:
Personally think we shoukd knock down all the eyesore buildings in bolton, starting with the iron church looks so draconian
A bit like yourself eh Cliff Morris
[quote][p][bold]CliffMorris[/bold] wrote: Personally think we shoukd knock down all the eyesore buildings in bolton, starting with the iron church looks so draconian[/p][/quote]A bit like yourself eh Cliff Morris The Wasp
  • Score: 6

5:21pm Sat 3 May 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Tim Burr wrote:
The Mosque has been there for 25 years at least, the 'protestors' have had since January 2014 to complain - they didn't.

Personally, I have no problem with a rebuild but this design isn't in keeping, it's size is disproportionate to the land footprint, 60 foot minarets sitting on top of a 3 storey construction take them to at least 90 foot overall, that isn't a landmark, it's dominance.
You Sir are finished in Bolton. Secondly are your friends at the BN going to retract that libelous statement they made about Bryn Morgan's attachment to the EDL? He is not.

You are a liar and so are your friends. You deceive the public and come out to join in when it suits you financially.

This is not about the religion, it is about an abomination of a building that is larger than it needs to be.

So can certain members of the public not use other libraries an facilities local the area? And show me anyone that is from another parts of the local community that will use the facilities on offer???? Ehh?

How many 'local' people to Granville Street and Farnworth will this building serve?

Tim Burr you are a fascist and a sell out. You do not pull the wool over our eyes. You are done in Bolton.. jog on.
[quote][p][bold]Tim Burr[/bold] wrote: The Mosque has been there for 25 years at least, the 'protestors' have had since January 2014 to complain - they didn't. Personally, I have no problem with a rebuild but this design isn't in keeping, it's size is disproportionate to the land footprint, 60 foot minarets sitting on top of a 3 storey construction take them to at least 90 foot overall, that isn't a landmark, it's dominance.[/p][/quote]You Sir are finished in Bolton. Secondly are your friends at the BN going to retract that libelous statement they made about Bryn Morgan's attachment to the EDL? He is not. You are a liar and so are your friends. You deceive the public and come out to join in when it suits you financially. This is not about the religion, it is about an abomination of a building that is larger than it needs to be. So can certain members of the public not use other libraries an facilities local the area? And show me anyone that is from another parts of the local community that will use the facilities on offer???? Ehh? How many 'local' people to Granville Street and Farnworth will this building serve? Tim Burr you are a fascist and a sell out. You do not pull the wool over our eyes. You are done in Bolton.. jog on. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 11

5:28pm Sat 3 May 14

Beyond News Forum says...

holloway_david wrote:
Tim Burr wrote:
Janbur wrote:
I`m sorry but this issue wasn't advertised and I think the people of Farnworth should be allowed to vote not Bolton,We use to have a lovely town in Farnworth,but all that changed when it was transferred to Bolton,we have got to live with this,
It was advertised in this Newspaper 30th January 2014.
But comments in by April 2nd.
A tiny section I quote. This should have been advertized with better access and facilitated viewing. You people of the council know full well how you ducked and dived and sneaked this one passed the public. You know full well how to pull the political scam moves. Just like US congress do passing bills.

You can clearly read the discontent here, you could clearly hear and read the discontent elsewhere.

Those local elections need to be held now...
[quote][p][bold]holloway_david[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tim Burr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Janbur[/bold] wrote: I`m sorry but this issue wasn't advertised and I think the people of Farnworth should be allowed to vote not Bolton,We use to have a lovely town in Farnworth,but all that changed when it was transferred to Bolton,we have got to live with this,[/p][/quote]It was advertised in this Newspaper 30th January 2014.[/p][/quote]But comments in by April 2nd.[/p][/quote]A tiny section I quote. This should have been advertized with better access and facilitated viewing. You people of the council know full well how you ducked and dived and sneaked this one passed the public. You know full well how to pull the political scam moves. Just like US congress do passing bills. You can clearly read the discontent here, you could clearly hear and read the discontent elsewhere. Those local elections need to be held now... Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 36

5:35pm Sat 3 May 14

Beyond News Forum says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Would a new Church be allowed in many Islamic Countries & Saudi Arabia who are the backers to these Mosques ? Not a prayer & we are called Racist. You could not make it up!
Err YES there are allowed!!!

In fact there is a small but strong Roman Catholic group in Saudi Arabia and if you look at any typical Islamic country they also live with people who believe in other religions such as any of the 300+ Christian religions!!!!

Again you really ought to do your research before spouting lies!!!
That lot is a complete lie and anyone can google it......
Yeah and they are persecuted by the locals you nut.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Would a new Church be allowed in many Islamic Countries & Saudi Arabia who are the backers to these Mosques ? Not a prayer & we are called Racist. You could not make it up![/p][/quote]Err YES there are allowed!!! In fact there is a small but strong Roman Catholic group in Saudi Arabia and if you look at any typical Islamic country they also live with people who believe in other religions such as any of the 300+ Christian religions!!!! Again you really ought to do your research before spouting lies!!![/p][/quote]That lot is a complete lie and anyone can google it......[/p][/quote]Yeah and they are persecuted by the locals you nut. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 2

5:38pm Sat 3 May 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Wolfie190 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
What the Deuce!! wrote:
A couple of questions BN, will people be allowed to comment freely on this article or will the comments section be closed or messages deleted when it contradicts the paper's blatant political correctness and left wing bias?

Why did the BN only see fit to report on this issue on the same morning of the planning meeting giving nobody chance to object or challenge the plans?

This is Bolton's only local paper and it should air the views of all of its readers and not just the views that the BN deems correct.
The BN have not yet sussed out who & who does not buys the paper !
Wonder if they have ever had the sense to find out where their readership comes from ?
The media in UK/USA are owned by Jewish multiculturalists they have an agenda the Bolton news is part of that.
Wolfie if that was true then you would be seeing a different type of report. One in which land grabs from Muslims (Palestinians)are prevalent and oil is big news.

Let us not make this a race issue, it is about a building that is NOT in tune with the local area, too big for purpose and detrimental to the local community and property.
[quote][p][bold]Wolfie190[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]What the Deuce!![/bold] wrote: A couple of questions BN, will people be allowed to comment freely on this article or will the comments section be closed or messages deleted when it contradicts the paper's blatant political correctness and left wing bias? Why did the BN only see fit to report on this issue on the same morning of the planning meeting giving nobody chance to object or challenge the plans? This is Bolton's only local paper and it should air the views of all of its readers and not just the views that the BN deems correct.[/p][/quote]The BN have not yet sussed out who & who does not buys the paper ! Wonder if they have ever had the sense to find out where their readership comes from ?[/p][/quote]The media in UK/USA are owned by Jewish multiculturalists they have an agenda the Bolton news is part of that.[/p][/quote]Wolfie if that was true then you would be seeing a different type of report. One in which land grabs from Muslims (Palestinians)are prevalent and oil is big news. Let us not make this a race issue, it is about a building that is NOT in tune with the local area, too big for purpose and detrimental to the local community and property. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 7

5:42pm Sat 3 May 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Quote: He added: “Anybody can put up an application to build anything they want in this town, which will be decided by planning at Bolton Council. We live in a democracy.

Opinion: If we live in a Democracy can we get a local vote on this issue?
Quote: He added: “Anybody can put up an application to build anything they want in this town, which will be decided by planning at Bolton Council. We live in a democracy. Opinion: If we live in a Democracy can we get a local vote on this issue? Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 14

5:44pm Sat 3 May 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Oh and can we have a breakdown of where the House of Saud money is going?
Oh and can we have a breakdown of where the House of Saud money is going? Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 9

5:49pm Sat 3 May 14

Reality50 says...

Bad news for Farnworth and its skyline. A vote for Labour is a vote for Islam.
Bad news for Farnworth and its skyline. A vote for Labour is a vote for Islam. Reality50
  • Score: 26

6:01pm Sat 3 May 14

Beyond News Forum says...

The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it is in my control. And no official of my Administration, whether his rank is high or low, civilian or military, should interpret my words here tonight as an excuse to censor the news, to stifle dissent, to cover up our mistakes or to withhold from the press and the public the facts they deserve to know."

For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations.

Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed."

President John Franklin Kennedy - April 27, 1961
The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it is in my control. And no official of my Administration, whether his rank is high or low, civilian or military, should interpret my words here tonight as an excuse to censor the news, to stifle dissent, to cover up our mistakes or to withhold from the press and the public the facts they deserve to know." For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations. Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed." President John Franklin Kennedy - April 27, 1961 Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 12

6:07pm Sat 3 May 14

Reality50 says...

This is not just "another mosque",it is a super sized mosque that will tower over the skyline. There was no time for objectors to complain and no press coverage on this until planning day. Why did the BN keep quiet on the issue til Thursday? Why was the planning meeting on the same day as the press release? This mosque will be fought tooth and nail,i gather there was a small demonstration by protesters this morning outside the original mosque. I for one do not want to see Farnworth becoming like Halliwell or Daubhill. This mosque is unsuitable for the community and the town. Those who voted Yasmin Qureshi in as MP are just as much to blame as Bolton Council. I just hope people boot Labour off the council on May 22nd.
This is not just "another mosque",it is a super sized mosque that will tower over the skyline. There was no time for objectors to complain and no press coverage on this until planning day. Why did the BN keep quiet on the issue til Thursday? Why was the planning meeting on the same day as the press release? This mosque will be fought tooth and nail,i gather there was a small demonstration by protesters this morning outside the original mosque. I for one do not want to see Farnworth becoming like Halliwell or Daubhill. This mosque is unsuitable for the community and the town. Those who voted Yasmin Qureshi in as MP are just as much to blame as Bolton Council. I just hope people boot Labour off the council on May 22nd. Reality50
  • Score: 23

6:16pm Sat 3 May 14

united99 says...

Mrs b11ly you are more than welcome to leave the area in fact sooner the better jump ship and go and live in the Shetland Island if you may wish !
Stop the winging you had a chance to object - the mosque is goning to be built and not from your money and don't worry by having the minarets there it does not mean prayer call will be made 5 times a day that is not going to happen -minarets and dome are features which form a mosque layout just like a football ground is built with floodlights - you get the drift.......now please get over it this debate is getting boring.
Mrs b11ly you are more than welcome to leave the area in fact sooner the better jump ship and go and live in the Shetland Island if you may wish ! Stop the winging you had a chance to object - the mosque is goning to be built and not from your money and don't worry by having the minarets there it does not mean prayer call will be made 5 times a day that is not going to happen -minarets and dome are features which form a mosque layout just like a football ground is built with floodlights - you get the drift.......now please get over it this debate is getting boring. united99
  • Score: -100

6:21pm Sat 3 May 14

allan111111 says...

united99 wrote:
Mrs b11ly you are more than welcome to leave the area in fact sooner the better jump ship and go and live in the Shetland Island if you may wish !
Stop the winging you had a chance to object - the mosque is goning to be built and not from your money and don't worry by having the minarets there it does not mean prayer call will be made 5 times a day that is not going to happen -minarets and dome are features which form a mosque layout just like a football ground is built with floodlights - you get the drift.......now please get over it this debate is getting boring.
Theres no need for nastiness
[quote][p][bold]united99[/bold] wrote: Mrs b11ly you are more than welcome to leave the area in fact sooner the better jump ship and go and live in the Shetland Island if you may wish ! Stop the winging you had a chance to object - the mosque is goning to be built and not from your money and don't worry by having the minarets there it does not mean prayer call will be made 5 times a day that is not going to happen -minarets and dome are features which form a mosque layout just like a football ground is built with floodlights - you get the drift.......now please get over it this debate is getting boring.[/p][/quote]Theres no need for nastiness allan111111
  • Score: 6

6:32pm Sat 3 May 14

united99 says...

Alan you tell me who's being nasty mrs b who thinks she's some sort of a drama queen who's lived there God knows how long and now wants to move with her kids just cause they building a bigger mosque give me a break - ask mrs b when was the last time she went to a church or if she's ever been - let me tell you I bet she's been to the pub more than she's been to the church and you wonder why mosques are being built all over bolton.
Alan you tell me who's being nasty mrs b who thinks she's some sort of a drama queen who's lived there God knows how long and now wants to move with her kids just cause they building a bigger mosque give me a break - ask mrs b when was the last time she went to a church or if she's ever been - let me tell you I bet she's been to the pub more than she's been to the church and you wonder why mosques are being built all over bolton. united99
  • Score: -76

6:54pm Sat 3 May 14

Beyond News Forum says...

united99 wrote:
Alan you tell me who's being nasty mrs b who thinks she's some sort of a drama queen who's lived there God knows how long and now wants to move with her kids just cause they building a bigger mosque give me a break - ask mrs b when was the last time she went to a church or if she's ever been - let me tell you I bet she's been to the pub more than she's been to the church and you wonder why mosques are being built all over bolton.
You sir are a troll. You need to get the fact in your head. People do not like this plan. You being as United fan should **** off to Manchester. Or is it West Ham?
[quote][p][bold]united99[/bold] wrote: Alan you tell me who's being nasty mrs b who thinks she's some sort of a drama queen who's lived there God knows how long and now wants to move with her kids just cause they building a bigger mosque give me a break - ask mrs b when was the last time she went to a church or if she's ever been - let me tell you I bet she's been to the pub more than she's been to the church and you wonder why mosques are being built all over bolton.[/p][/quote]You sir are a troll. You need to get the fact in your head. People do not like this plan. You being as United fan should **** off to Manchester. Or is it West Ham? Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 12

7:21pm Sat 3 May 14

holloway_david says...

united99 wrote:
Mrs b11ly you are more than welcome to leave the area in fact sooner the better jump ship and go and live in the Shetland Island if you may wish !
Stop the winging you had a chance to object - the mosque is goning to be built and not from your money and don't worry by having the minarets there it does not mean prayer call will be made 5 times a day that is not going to happen -minarets and dome are features which form a mosque layout just like a football ground is built with floodlights - you get the drift.......now please get over it this debate is getting boring.
You are more welcome to leave the country if you want to talk in those terms
and take your foreign mosque with you.
[quote][p][bold]united99[/bold] wrote: Mrs b11ly you are more than welcome to leave the area in fact sooner the better jump ship and go and live in the Shetland Island if you may wish ! Stop the winging you had a chance to object - the mosque is goning to be built and not from your money and don't worry by having the minarets there it does not mean prayer call will be made 5 times a day that is not going to happen -minarets and dome are features which form a mosque layout just like a football ground is built with floodlights - you get the drift.......now please get over it this debate is getting boring.[/p][/quote]You are more welcome to leave the country if you want to talk in those terms and take your foreign mosque with you. holloway_david
  • Score: 67

9:38pm Sat 3 May 14

Bob Shaftoe says...

This was kept from public knowledge almost up to the planning meeting where it was waved through without much debate because no one in Farnworth, except muslims of course, knew anything about it. Absolutely staggering, totally undemocratic and if anything requires investigation this is it. So come on BN, get off your backsides and do some proper investigative reporting, even though it is the view of many in this town that you are in the pockets of the Labour Party.
This was kept from public knowledge almost up to the planning meeting where it was waved through without much debate because no one in Farnworth, except muslims of course, knew anything about it. Absolutely staggering, totally undemocratic and if anything requires investigation this is it. So come on BN, get off your backsides and do some proper investigative reporting, even though it is the view of many in this town that you are in the pockets of the Labour Party. Bob Shaftoe
  • Score: 23

9:40pm Sat 3 May 14

davidjb says...

how can it be accepted just because it will be a landmark, when there is a 2 story derelict building going to be blocking the view from the junction, it'll only be really visible from Egerton Street which is a one way anyway.
how can it be accepted just because it will be a landmark, when there is a 2 story derelict building going to be blocking the view from the junction, it'll only be really visible from Egerton Street which is a one way anyway. davidjb
  • Score: 42

9:54pm Sat 3 May 14

farnworth's mafia says...

for all you empty headed racist cockroaches sort your life's out.

The mosque is being funded by their worshippers.
its replacing a existing mosque
its being built cause they feel the need for it.
this country is a multicultural country and has been for a long time
the immediate neighbours aren't bothered so who are you(otherwise they would of gone against the application.)
they was only one immediate neighbour who had concerns but was outnumbered in votes.
they praying cause that their thing.
Muslim countries do have Christians living in them and they do have churches.
if you want to build a church , then get enough worshippers and fund it and no one will object.
if you don't like what is happening go top your self.
BN is only required to print in in the applications section of the paper, rest isn't their job.
your a nobody to change ones faith or religion


if u don't like what I said the screw u

its life live up to it.
for all you empty headed racist cockroaches sort your life's out. The mosque is being funded by their worshippers. its replacing a existing mosque its being built cause they feel the need for it. this country is a multicultural country and has been for a long time the immediate neighbours aren't bothered so who are you(otherwise they would of gone against the application.) they was only one immediate neighbour who had concerns but was outnumbered in votes. they praying cause that their thing. Muslim countries do have Christians living in them and they do have churches. if you want to build a church , then get enough worshippers and fund it and no one will object. if you don't like what is happening go top your self. BN is only required to print in in the applications section of the paper, rest isn't their job. your a nobody to change ones faith or religion if u don't like what I said the screw u its life live up to it. farnworth's mafia
  • Score: -101

10:08pm Sat 3 May 14

cranks says...

i would guess this building goes against ALL the teachings of islam where by a donation is made too the poor and starving brothers/sisters worldwide at the same time as their rich brothers/sisters choose to spend there money on such over the top luxury.....people need HELP in the 3rd world....would the prophet choose a newer mosque in a town like farnworth or help others???
i would guess this building goes against ALL the teachings of islam where by a donation is made too the poor and starving brothers/sisters worldwide at the same time as their rich brothers/sisters choose to spend there money on such over the top luxury.....people need HELP in the 3rd world....would the prophet choose a newer mosque in a town like farnworth or help others??? cranks
  • Score: 41

10:20pm Sat 3 May 14

cranks says...

i presume like most other buildings like this the money comes from 'donations'? How sad when muslim familys in worn torn countrys are starving too death there brothers/sisters choose a religous building over a bowl of rice for people who need it most?
i presume like most other buildings like this the money comes from 'donations'? How sad when muslim familys in worn torn countrys are starving too death there brothers/sisters choose a religous building over a bowl of rice for people who need it most? cranks
  • Score: 62

10:51pm Sat 3 May 14

ccjone says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Would a new Church be allowed in many Islamic Countries & Saudi Arabia who are the backers to these Mosques ? Not a prayer & we are called Racist. You could not make it up!
Err YES there are allowed!!!

In fact there is a small but strong Roman Catholic group in Saudi Arabia and if you look at any typical Islamic country they also live with people who believe in other religions such as any of the 300+ Christian religions!!!!

Again you really ought to do your research before spouting lies!!!
Well things have changed since I lived and worked in Saudi Arabia; would 'The Righteous One' care to elaborate on where this Catholic Group in Saudi Arabia worship? To my knowledge and certainly from experience there are no other religions tolerated other than Islam in Saudi Arabia!!
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Would a new Church be allowed in many Islamic Countries & Saudi Arabia who are the backers to these Mosques ? Not a prayer & we are called Racist. You could not make it up![/p][/quote]Err YES there are allowed!!! In fact there is a small but strong Roman Catholic group in Saudi Arabia and if you look at any typical Islamic country they also live with people who believe in other religions such as any of the 300+ Christian religions!!!! Again you really ought to do your research before spouting lies!!![/p][/quote]Well things have changed since I lived and worked in Saudi Arabia; would 'The Righteous One' care to elaborate on where this Catholic Group in Saudi Arabia worship? To my knowledge and certainly from experience there are no other religions tolerated other than Islam in Saudi Arabia!! ccjone
  • Score: 16

11:11pm Sat 3 May 14

Greasy Chip Butty says...

Looks a bit like Brighton Royal Pavilion to me.
Don't know what the issue is?
Looks a bit like Brighton Royal Pavilion to me. Don't know what the issue is? Greasy Chip Butty
  • Score: -46

11:24pm Sat 3 May 14

Home is where the heart is says...

Ccjone.
Please do not resond to the cyber pest. It just encourages him/her/it.
Ccjone. Please do not resond to the cyber pest. It just encourages him/her/it. Home is where the heart is
  • Score: 3

11:42pm Sat 3 May 14

Rawenergy says...

Enoch will be turning in his grave.
Enoch will be turning in his grave. Rawenergy
  • Score: 51

11:47pm Sat 3 May 14

united99 says...

Mrs b like I said in my earlier post if you don't want to live in an Asian area then why don't you jump ship - you are talking from your backside my kids this and my kids that -why don't you just boycott everything Asian if that makes you feel any better cause you won't be missed that's for sure !!!
Well said farnworth mafia you couldn't have put it any better mate -..........
Mrs b there's a property to let in guernsey that's right up your street - I'm sure the last time I checked there was no mosque here !
Mrs b like I said in my earlier post if you don't want to live in an Asian area then why don't you jump ship - you are talking from your backside my kids this and my kids that -why don't you just boycott everything Asian if that makes you feel any better cause you won't be missed that's for sure !!! Well said farnworth mafia you couldn't have put it any better mate -.......... Mrs b there's a property to let in guernsey that's right up your street - I'm sure the last time I checked there was no mosque here ! united99
  • Score: -66

11:56pm Sat 3 May 14

Rememberscarborough says...

My understanding is that Jediism is an official religion so does this mean I can build a 60ft building in the shape of the Millennium Falcon and Bolton council would have no say under existing planning laws....
My understanding is that Jediism is an official religion so does this mean I can build a 60ft building in the shape of the Millennium Falcon and Bolton council would have no say under existing planning laws.... Rememberscarborough
  • Score: 40

12:14am Sun 4 May 14

ccjone says...

united99 wrote:
Alan you tell me who's being nasty mrs b who thinks she's some sort of a drama queen who's lived there God knows how long and now wants to move with her kids just cause they building a bigger mosque give me a break - ask mrs b when was the last time she went to a church or if she's ever been - let me tell you I bet she's been to the pub more than she's been to the church and you wonder why mosques are being built all over bolton.
You are obviously a gambling man -quote"I bet she's been to the pub..." and also appear to know what people think= "who thinks she is some sort of..." Mrs B, like many of us remember Farnworth when it was a nice place to live and I share her concerns about education and the 'alternate' road skills of the many road users. However, might I suggest that you concentrate on your psychic skills and perhaps when they are honed to perfection, put yourself forward for election as a councillor...
[quote][p][bold]united99[/bold] wrote: Alan you tell me who's being nasty mrs b who thinks she's some sort of a drama queen who's lived there God knows how long and now wants to move with her kids just cause they building a bigger mosque give me a break - ask mrs b when was the last time she went to a church or if she's ever been - let me tell you I bet she's been to the pub more than she's been to the church and you wonder why mosques are being built all over bolton.[/p][/quote]You are obviously a gambling man -quote"I bet she's been to the pub..." and also appear to know what people think= "who thinks she is some sort of..." Mrs B, like many of us remember Farnworth when it was a nice place to live and I share her concerns about education and the 'alternate' road skills of the many road users. However, might I suggest that you concentrate on your psychic skills and perhaps when they are honed to perfection, put yourself forward for election as a councillor... ccjone
  • Score: 43

12:38am Sun 4 May 14

MrsB11 says...

United99- I will happily jump ship, and I will jump to a community where my family and I won't be an ethnic minority. I've lived in Farnworth since I left home and I will be sad to leave. But, as you've said over and over "I won't be missed". Let's see how Farnworth is in a few years time when residents like myself have all jumped ship. Farnworth is going to be the new Daubhill/Blackburn Road!
United99- I will happily jump ship, and I will jump to a community where my family and I won't be an ethnic minority. I've lived in Farnworth since I left home and I will be sad to leave. But, as you've said over and over "I won't be missed". Let's see how Farnworth is in a few years time when residents like myself have all jumped ship. Farnworth is going to be the new Daubhill/Blackburn Road! MrsB11
  • Score: 67

12:41am Sun 4 May 14

mr.mark.c says...

Rememberscarborough wrote:
My understanding is that Jediism is an official religion so does this mean I can build a 60ft building in the shape of the Millennium Falcon and Bolton council would have no say under existing planning laws....
May the 4th be with you ;)
[quote][p][bold]Rememberscarborough[/bold] wrote: My understanding is that Jediism is an official religion so does this mean I can build a 60ft building in the shape of the Millennium Falcon and Bolton council would have no say under existing planning laws....[/p][/quote]May the 4th be with you ;) mr.mark.c
  • Score: -40

5:24am Sun 4 May 14

ajmore says...

tillyflop53 wrote:
Why are we surprised at this! we dont have a say. it will get worse . This country is in a mess. too many foreigners let in now. Gateway to Bolton should be closed. The town is stuffed but the council dont care.
will tyh put a flagpole on it and fly the flag of u.k.from it NO
[quote][p][bold]tillyflop53[/bold] wrote: Why are we surprised at this! we dont have a say. it will get worse . This country is in a mess. too many foreigners let in now. Gateway to Bolton should be closed. The town is stuffed but the council dont care.[/p][/quote]will tyh put a flagpole on it and fly the flag of u.k.from it NO ajmore
  • Score: 42

9:38am Sun 4 May 14

Bob Shaftoe says...

Do comments by some muslims on here 'mafia, scum99 etc' reflect how they view the rest of us, 'put up with us or f-off.' Very true or very sad?
This town is gradually being destroyed by the left wing Labour goons in the town hall, a continuation of the wretched New Labour 'rubbing the right's face in the trough of multiculturalism' dogma, they don't give a toss about us.
People, the solution is in our hands, the elections on May 22nd is YOUR opportunity to change this and get rid of Morris & his cronies for good so GET OFF YOUR BACKSIDES AND VOTE THEM OUT.
Do comments by some muslims on here 'mafia, scum99 etc' reflect how they view the rest of us, 'put up with us or f-off.' Very true or very sad? This town is gradually being destroyed by the left wing Labour goons in the town hall, a continuation of the wretched New Labour 'rubbing the right's face in the trough of multiculturalism' dogma, they don't give a toss about us. People, the solution is in our hands, the elections on May 22nd is YOUR opportunity to change this and get rid of Morris & his cronies for good so GET OFF YOUR BACKSIDES AND VOTE THEM OUT. Bob Shaftoe
  • Score: 61

9:43am Sun 4 May 14

Thatissowrong says...

ccjone wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Would a new Church be allowed in many Islamic Countries & Saudi Arabia who are the backers to these Mosques ? Not a prayer & we are called Racist. You could not make it up!
Err YES there are allowed!!!

In fact there is a small but strong Roman Catholic group in Saudi Arabia and if you look at any typical Islamic country they also live with people who believe in other religions such as any of the 300+ Christian religions!!!!

Again you really ought to do your research before spouting lies!!!
Well things have changed since I lived and worked in Saudi Arabia; would 'The Righteous One' care to elaborate on where this Catholic Group in Saudi Arabia worship? To my knowledge and certainly from experience there are no other religions tolerated other than Islam in Saudi Arabia!!
Your experience and comments coincide with mine. This righteous one fella spouts rubbish and dogmatises to the point of absurdity. The only time he gets his facts right are in relation to bus and train timetables.
[quote][p][bold]ccjone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Would a new Church be allowed in many Islamic Countries & Saudi Arabia who are the backers to these Mosques ? Not a prayer & we are called Racist. You could not make it up![/p][/quote]Err YES there are allowed!!! In fact there is a small but strong Roman Catholic group in Saudi Arabia and if you look at any typical Islamic country they also live with people who believe in other religions such as any of the 300+ Christian religions!!!! Again you really ought to do your research before spouting lies!!![/p][/quote]Well things have changed since I lived and worked in Saudi Arabia; would 'The Righteous One' care to elaborate on where this Catholic Group in Saudi Arabia worship? To my knowledge and certainly from experience there are no other religions tolerated other than Islam in Saudi Arabia!![/p][/quote]Your experience and comments coincide with mine. This righteous one fella spouts rubbish and dogmatises to the point of absurdity. The only time he gets his facts right are in relation to bus and train timetables. Thatissowrong
  • Score: 58

10:47am Sun 4 May 14

simsamsuk says...

CliffMorris wrote:
“Anybody can put up an application to build anything they want in this town, which will be decided by planning at Bolton Council. We live in a democracy."
Please read understand digest the above
but how many get a resounding YES!!! your remark is meaningless
[quote][p][bold]CliffMorris[/bold] wrote: “Anybody can put up an application to build anything they want in this town, which will be decided by planning at Bolton Council. We live in a democracy." Please read understand digest the above[/p][/quote]but how many get a resounding YES!!! your remark is meaningless simsamsuk
  • Score: 8

10:49am Sun 4 May 14

simsamsuk says...

Why are any comments on these buildings turned into Racism??
I have no problem with a Mosque being built, I have a problem with this ugly huge building!!!
Why are any comments on these buildings turned into Racism?? I have no problem with a Mosque being built, I have a problem with this ugly huge building!!! simsamsuk
  • Score: -13

11:03am Sun 4 May 14

simsamsuk says...

united99 wrote:
Mrs b like I said in my earlier post if you don't want to live in an Asian area then why don't you jump ship - you are talking from your backside my kids this and my kids that -why don't you just boycott everything Asian if that makes you feel any better cause you won't be missed that's for sure !!!
Well said farnworth mafia you couldn't have put it any better mate -..........
Mrs b there's a property to let in guernsey that's right up your street - I'm sure the last time I checked there was no mosque here !
ridiculous comment, instead of insulting this lady why not put her mind at rest?
not once did she say she wanted to boycott everything Asian, she voiced genuine fears that many in this country have, if you believe these fears to be unfounded or due to a lack of education on the local community then educate don't just add to that fear by spouting pathetic insults in their direction, People like you don't help the situation you just get peoples backs up and force the divide wider, grow up
[quote][p][bold]united99[/bold] wrote: Mrs b like I said in my earlier post if you don't want to live in an Asian area then why don't you jump ship - you are talking from your backside my kids this and my kids that -why don't you just boycott everything Asian if that makes you feel any better cause you won't be missed that's for sure !!! Well said farnworth mafia you couldn't have put it any better mate -.......... Mrs b there's a property to let in guernsey that's right up your street - I'm sure the last time I checked there was no mosque here ![/p][/quote]ridiculous comment, instead of insulting this lady why not put her mind at rest? not once did she say she wanted to boycott everything Asian, she voiced genuine fears that many in this country have, if you believe these fears to be unfounded or due to a lack of education on the local community then educate don't just add to that fear by spouting pathetic insults in their direction, People like you don't help the situation you just get peoples backs up and force the divide wider, grow up simsamsuk
  • Score: 27

12:23pm Sun 4 May 14

Beyond News Forum says...

This needs to go to the vote now. If there is a Democratic process happening, then let it be Democratic and give the people of Farnworth a referendum on the issue. Or are the council knowingly concerned that any such referendum would scupper their plans for cash from The House of Saud?
This needs to go to the vote now. If there is a Democratic process happening, then let it be Democratic and give the people of Farnworth a referendum on the issue. Or are the council knowingly concerned that any such referendum would scupper their plans for cash from The House of Saud? Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 55

1:51pm Sun 4 May 14

Beyond News Forum says...

simsamsuk wrote:
Why are any comments on these buildings turned into Racism??
I have no problem with a Mosque being built, I have a problem with this ugly huge building!!!
You obviously do not understand the definition of the word racism. You CANNOT be racist towards a religion.

Racism is an invented word to define a propaganda by media and cultured speakers to determine a category for bigotry.

This is not to say racism does not exist, you just have to understand the principles and context that racism is defined.

You can say a good looking black guy and you are not defined as being racist. If you state that you hate all black people then you are having a racist opinion. If you attack a black person and shout out hatred towards his race you are then a racist.

Unfortunately racism is created via propaganda in religion and politics. Racism would not exist without that media propaganda, religious cultural difference and various government policies from various worldwide institutions - thus spreading hatred of culture, race and religious hatred within civilian circles.

In my opinion people are just fickle and follow the leader. In modern 21st century life, there is no room for racism, religious hate or violence - but apes will be apes and continue to be savages until they learn understanding and respect without the need for religious epitaphs and symbolism or cultural difference.
[quote][p][bold]simsamsuk[/bold] wrote: Why are any comments on these buildings turned into Racism?? I have no problem with a Mosque being built, I have a problem with this ugly huge building!!![/p][/quote]You obviously do not understand the definition of the word racism. You CANNOT be racist towards a religion. Racism is an invented word to define a propaganda by media and cultured speakers to determine a category for bigotry. This is not to say racism does not exist, you just have to understand the principles and context that racism is defined. You can say a good looking black guy and you are not defined as being racist. If you state that you hate all black people then you are having a racist opinion. If you attack a black person and shout out hatred towards his race you are then a racist. Unfortunately racism is created via propaganda in religion and politics. Racism would not exist without that media propaganda, religious cultural difference and various government policies from various worldwide institutions - thus spreading hatred of culture, race and religious hatred within civilian circles. In my opinion people are just fickle and follow the leader. In modern 21st century life, there is no room for racism, religious hate or violence - but apes will be apes and continue to be savages until they learn understanding and respect without the need for religious epitaphs and symbolism or cultural difference. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 30

2:35pm Sun 4 May 14

FreedomOfSpeech1945 says...

ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING......MOSQ
UES HAVE NO PLACE IN ENGLAND
ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING......MOSQ UES HAVE NO PLACE IN ENGLAND FreedomOfSpeech1945
  • Score: 63

2:43pm Sun 4 May 14

FreedomOfSpeech1945 says...

Bolton Council is corrupt. There is nothing wrong with wanting the best for our country and if people want to stick up for that then it is called patriotism not racism. Colonisation is ruining our country.
Bolton Council is corrupt. There is nothing wrong with wanting the best for our country and if people want to stick up for that then it is called patriotism not racism. Colonisation is ruining our country. FreedomOfSpeech1945
  • Score: 55

2:46pm Sun 4 May 14

FreedomOfSpeech1945 says...

Don't forget to Vote UKIP people!
Don't forget to Vote UKIP people! FreedomOfSpeech1945
  • Score: 22

3:09pm Sun 4 May 14

Beyond News Forum says...

FreedomOfSpeech1945 wrote:
Bolton Council is corrupt. There is nothing wrong with wanting the best for our country and if people want to stick up for that then it is called patriotism not racism. Colonisation is ruining our country.
This^^^^^^^^^^^ is acceptable.
[quote][p][bold]FreedomOfSpeech1945[/bold] wrote: Bolton Council is corrupt. There is nothing wrong with wanting the best for our country and if people want to stick up for that then it is called patriotism not racism. Colonisation is ruining our country.[/p][/quote]This^^^^^^^^^^^ is acceptable. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 3

3:50pm Sun 4 May 14

The Righteous One says...

Beyond News Forum wrote:
simsamsuk wrote:
Why are any comments on these buildings turned into Racism??
I have no problem with a Mosque being built, I have a problem with this ugly huge building!!!
You obviously do not understand the definition of the word racism. You CANNOT be racist towards a religion.

Racism is an invented word to define a propaganda by media and cultured speakers to determine a category for bigotry.

This is not to say racism does not exist, you just have to understand the principles and context that racism is defined.

You can say a good looking black guy and you are not defined as being racist. If you state that you hate all black people then you are having a racist opinion. If you attack a black person and shout out hatred towards his race you are then a racist.

Unfortunately racism is created via propaganda in religion and politics. Racism would not exist without that media propaganda, religious cultural difference and various government policies from various worldwide institutions - thus spreading hatred of culture, race and religious hatred within civilian circles.

In my opinion people are just fickle and follow the leader. In modern 21st century life, there is no room for racism, religious hate or violence - but apes will be apes and continue to be savages until they learn understanding and respect without the need for religious epitaphs and symbolism or cultural difference.
OXFORD ENGLISH DICTIONARY definition of the term "Racism"

=

A belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural, religious or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.


Therefore, it seems those that think they now the definition, actually do not know it as mocking/calling another religion IS classed as racist. Not only that it is also classed as a "Hate-Crime" under the current British laws, especially with some of the posts as seen in this thread!
[quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]simsamsuk[/bold] wrote: Why are any comments on these buildings turned into Racism?? I have no problem with a Mosque being built, I have a problem with this ugly huge building!!![/p][/quote]You obviously do not understand the definition of the word racism. You CANNOT be racist towards a religion. Racism is an invented word to define a propaganda by media and cultured speakers to determine a category for bigotry. This is not to say racism does not exist, you just have to understand the principles and context that racism is defined. You can say a good looking black guy and you are not defined as being racist. If you state that you hate all black people then you are having a racist opinion. If you attack a black person and shout out hatred towards his race you are then a racist. Unfortunately racism is created via propaganda in religion and politics. Racism would not exist without that media propaganda, religious cultural difference and various government policies from various worldwide institutions - thus spreading hatred of culture, race and religious hatred within civilian circles. In my opinion people are just fickle and follow the leader. In modern 21st century life, there is no room for racism, religious hate or violence - but apes will be apes and continue to be savages until they learn understanding and respect without the need for religious epitaphs and symbolism or cultural difference.[/p][/quote]OXFORD ENGLISH DICTIONARY definition of the term "Racism" = A belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural, religious or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others. Therefore, it seems those that think they now the definition, actually do not know it as mocking/calling another religion IS classed as racist. Not only that it is also classed as a "Hate-Crime" under the current British laws, especially with some of the posts as seen in this thread! The Righteous One
  • Score: -46

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