Life below the living wage for Farnworth mum and daughter

Life below the living wage for Farnworth mum and daughter

Charlotte with mum Sandra Baker.

Charlotte with mum Sandra Baker look to economise in the kitchen

First published in News The Bolton News: Photograph of the Author by , news feature writer

THE news that one in five people living in the poorest parts of Bolton earn less than the living wage is no shock to mother-of-one Sandra Baker.

The 53-year-old lives with her daughter, Charlotte, and between them they earn about £10,000 a year.

Ms Baker works as a tutor administrator and earns just £120 a week, while her 21-year-old daughter, who is a sales assistant at a vet’s, earns just £65 a week.

Over the years the mother and daughter, who live in rented accommodation, have had to stick to very strict budgets — and have even had to use food banks when she was in short-term unemployment.

But even now she is working, Ms Baker, from Farnworth, struggles to budget for the rising cost of living, which is affecting a number of working people across the borough.

Recent TUC statistics show in Bolton South East 18.8 per cent of full-time workers are in a job that does not pay enough to cover basic costs — prompting Unison to step up its support for the living wage campaign.

Conservative Cllr Martyn Cox, a former pensions adviser, says simply raising the minimum wage will not eradicate the issue and that instead it can “cause severe economic problems”.

But Ms Baker believes the poorest will only get poorer if the Government does not tackle the issue.

She said: “The Government is not tackling the problem. Cutting all benefits will only make matters worse, people are just going to get more and more into debt. Then those people go to places like payday loan companies, get into more debt and become worse off.

“Sanctioning people isn’t the way to go. They are not people being treated as human beings. They are being treated as a number. I never thought when I was growing up that I would ever struggle to feed my daughter or ask for help the way that I have had to in the past.

“It’s not always been like this for me — it’s only in the last couple of years that I have struggled. I have always worked, but over the course of about 12 months I found myself on jobseekers’ allowance, which is when I had to swallow my pride and visit a food bank.”

The mother and daughter sit down and budget together regularly.

Ms Baker said: “We each have a part-time income and she contributes to the bills too. Then when it comes to shopping we go to Aldi, Lidl or Asda. We can’t afford to be proud.

“Bills have to be paid so food can go out the window sometimes because you don’t have enough for both.”

Last year a study published by the Greater Manchester Poverty Commission revealed 92 per cent of areas in Bolton saw an increase in deprivation between 2007 and 2010.

It said in total 17 per cent of children in Bolton are living in poverty, with Farnworth having the highest rates at 36 per cent.

Ms Baker said: “The Government doesn’t know anything about places like Farnworth.

“It would be really good if someone from one of the parties came to see what it’s like here and visit the food bank.

“Farnworth is one of the most deprived communities in the country. People here feel let down and forgotten. I’m shocked that in the 21st century, people who bring in a wage need to use food banks. They were first used by the most needy at war time. They shouldn’t be needed now.”

Andrea Egan, assistant secretary at Bolton Unison, said: “Our trade union supports the campaign for the living wage.

“Living costs keep on rising but for many people wages have flat-lined in recent years.

“Low paid workers are struggling to make ends meet. We desperately need action to tackle low pay.”

Martin McMulkin, secretary at Bolton Trades Union Council, said: “Low pay is a national scandal in the 21st century.

“Bolton TUC fully supports the fight for a living wage. We would like to see local employers, including Bolton Council, set an example in terms of the living wage and good employment practices.”

Cllr Martyn Cox added: “I recognise that it’s tough for families that are bringing up a family on the minimum wage. Losing benefits is initially difficult for people trying to do this but Government interference to call for a higher minimum wage can cause severe economic problems in the long term and deters employers from taking on more employees.”

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11:53am Sat 10 May 14

Bilulek says...

Don't really understand what the article is meant to be proving. Times are tough for normal people and families. Two things strike me: first that daughter earns £65 a week - must be like a ten hour a week job then so there's still room for improvement and finding additional job, second - didn't know that shopping in Aldi or Asda is a reason to complain....it's food like everywhere else, tomato is still a tomato whether in aldi or M&S, it's just that some people feel better about themselves when they pay three times as much for the same thing.
Don't really understand what the article is meant to be proving. Times are tough for normal people and families. Two things strike me: first that daughter earns £65 a week - must be like a ten hour a week job then so there's still room for improvement and finding additional job, second - didn't know that shopping in Aldi or Asda is a reason to complain....it's food like everywhere else, tomato is still a tomato whether in aldi or M&S, it's just that some people feel better about themselves when they pay three times as much for the same thing. Bilulek
  • Score: -8

12:03pm Sat 10 May 14

SeptemberGirl says...

May I suggest working full time instead of part time?!
May I suggest working full time instead of part time?! SeptemberGirl
  • Score: 47

12:15pm Sat 10 May 14

Sexybum123 says...

What a typical response from COX we wouldn't expect anything else form him would we this government would love to have us back to the days of workhouses and sending kids up chimneys. They have split the working class and that is there ideas dived and conquer. There's thousands in universities with not a hope of a job at the end just to manipulate the figures. While CAMRON and his cronies line there pockets. They are a complete disgrace to the real people of this country. And sticking is nose in everything that doesn't concern him around the world god knows who he thinks he is. They want to get up to date with what is going on in the UK and how they are destroying peoples lives here. This is worst most arrogant lot we have ever had the misfortune to govern this once great country
What a typical response from COX we wouldn't expect anything else form him would we this government would love to have us back to the days of workhouses and sending kids up chimneys. They have split the working class and that is there ideas dived and conquer. There's thousands in universities with not a hope of a job at the end just to manipulate the figures. While CAMRON and his cronies line there pockets. They are a complete disgrace to the real people of this country. And sticking is nose in everything that doesn't concern him around the world god knows who he thinks he is. They want to get up to date with what is going on in the UK and how they are destroying peoples lives here. This is worst most arrogant lot we have ever had the misfortune to govern this once great country Sexybum123
  • Score: 45

12:52pm Sat 10 May 14

boltonnut says...

SeptemberGirl wrote:
May I suggest working full time instead of part time?!
I agree with the above comment.It takes two full time incomes to maintain a decent standard of living.When my spouse and I worked we had decent incomes,things weren't easy but a lot better than today.Blame the government or corporate greed for low wages but the bottom line is you still have to work.
[quote][p][bold]SeptemberGirl[/bold] wrote: May I suggest working full time instead of part time?![/p][/quote]I agree with the above comment.It takes two full time incomes to maintain a decent standard of living.When my spouse and I worked we had decent incomes,things weren't easy but a lot better than today.Blame the government or corporate greed for low wages but the bottom line is you still have to work. boltonnut
  • Score: 35

1:37pm Sat 10 May 14

Miltzy says...

SeptemberGirl wrote:
May I suggest working full time instead of part time?!
Please tell me where these full time positions are?
[quote][p][bold]SeptemberGirl[/bold] wrote: May I suggest working full time instead of part time?![/p][/quote]Please tell me where these full time positions are? Miltzy
  • Score: 19

1:50pm Sat 10 May 14

Gazo76 says...

So then, how many hours are they actually working?
Are they unable to find a second income to help with their supposed poverty?
I'm sure they get by on the benefits they obviously get for not working the minimum number of hours a week, to help keep them in hair dye for the month.
So then, how many hours are they actually working? Are they unable to find a second income to help with their supposed poverty? I'm sure they get by on the benefits they obviously get for not working the minimum number of hours a week, to help keep them in hair dye for the month. Gazo76
  • Score: 5

2:46pm Sat 10 May 14

buggy5 says...

I work full time on 40hours a week my wage after tax is 225 minus my council tax arrears being removed from my wages comes to 184.35 a week my rent is 100a week travel expense to and from work is 25 a week and im expected to pay my gas electric and food out of rest I cant get working tax credits as job isnt gaurenteed full time in winter ive got bailiffs at door because I cant afford water bills im debateing do I give up work and have more sat at home on jsa as rent paid would only have pay 12a month water and council tax arrears and still have more money over.
I have no partner no social life as cant afford it and I can honestly my life is work eat sleep and im working for bills debts and thats it.
I work full time on 40hours a week my wage after tax is 225 minus my council tax arrears being removed from my wages comes to 184.35 a week my rent is 100a week travel expense to and from work is 25 a week and im expected to pay my gas electric and food out of rest I cant get working tax credits as job isnt gaurenteed full time in winter ive got bailiffs at door because I cant afford water bills im debateing do I give up work and have more sat at home on jsa as rent paid would only have pay 12a month water and council tax arrears and still have more money over. I have no partner no social life as cant afford it and I can honestly my life is work eat sleep and im working for bills debts and thats it. buggy5
  • Score: 68

3:52pm Sat 10 May 14

Sexybum123 says...

And what the hell has it got to do with any of you.Telling them get another job yeh just like that. Rember another a------- coming out with a statement about getting on your bike I'm alright jack stuff you comes to mind and we know who as them sentiments don't we
And what the hell has it got to do with any of you.Telling them get another job yeh just like that. Rember another a------- coming out with a statement about getting on your bike I'm alright jack stuff you comes to mind and we know who as them sentiments don't we Sexybum123
  • Score: 53

4:16pm Sat 10 May 14

Gore Seer says...

According To Sky News We English Are Third Rate In England So Work Usually Reflects Our Status, As Does Wages And Hours Worked.
According To Sky News We English Are Third Rate In England So Work Usually Reflects Our Status, As Does Wages And Hours Worked. Gore Seer
  • Score: -3

4:21pm Sat 10 May 14

Lancashire always says...

boltonnut wrote:
SeptemberGirl wrote:
May I suggest working full time instead of part time?!
I agree with the above comment.It takes two full time incomes to maintain a decent standard of living.When my spouse and I worked we had decent incomes,things weren't easy but a lot better than today.Blame the government or corporate greed for low wages but the bottom line is you still have to work.
You get £71.00 per week on the dole this story does not make sense.
[quote][p][bold]boltonnut[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SeptemberGirl[/bold] wrote: May I suggest working full time instead of part time?![/p][/quote]I agree with the above comment.It takes two full time incomes to maintain a decent standard of living.When my spouse and I worked we had decent incomes,things weren't easy but a lot better than today.Blame the government or corporate greed for low wages but the bottom line is you still have to work.[/p][/quote]You get £71.00 per week on the dole this story does not make sense. Lancashire always
  • Score: 6

4:24pm Sat 10 May 14

Frotage says...

Sexybum123 wrote:
What a typical response from COX we wouldn't expect anything else form him would we this government would love to have us back to the days of workhouses and sending kids up chimneys. They have split the working class and that is there ideas dived and conquer. There's thousands in universities with not a hope of a job at the end just to manipulate the figures. While CAMRON and his cronies line there pockets. They are a complete disgrace to the real people of this country. And sticking is nose in everything that doesn't concern him around the world god knows who he thinks he is. They want to get up to date with what is going on in the UK and how they are destroying peoples lives here. This is worst most arrogant lot we have ever had the misfortune to govern this once great country
I am sorry but i don't understand this post at all. Why would this government want to create workhouses and send kids up chimneys? Split the working class? what does that even mean? Divide and conquer? Who are the 'real' people of this country? You also say it was once great. Could you please clarify when this supposed golden age was. I am only 50 years old so i may have missed it. I do remember some of the 60's and the majority of the 70's and i started work in 1980 and have voted since 1982. There have always been rich people poor people and lot in between. Hard times and good times. Your post just utterly baffles me.
[quote][p][bold]Sexybum123[/bold] wrote: What a typical response from COX we wouldn't expect anything else form him would we this government would love to have us back to the days of workhouses and sending kids up chimneys. They have split the working class and that is there ideas dived and conquer. There's thousands in universities with not a hope of a job at the end just to manipulate the figures. While CAMRON and his cronies line there pockets. They are a complete disgrace to the real people of this country. And sticking is nose in everything that doesn't concern him around the world god knows who he thinks he is. They want to get up to date with what is going on in the UK and how they are destroying peoples lives here. This is worst most arrogant lot we have ever had the misfortune to govern this once great country[/p][/quote]I am sorry but i don't understand this post at all. Why would this government want to create workhouses and send kids up chimneys? Split the working class? what does that even mean? Divide and conquer? Who are the 'real' people of this country? You also say it was once great. Could you please clarify when this supposed golden age was. I am only 50 years old so i may have missed it. I do remember some of the 60's and the majority of the 70's and i started work in 1980 and have voted since 1982. There have always been rich people poor people and lot in between. Hard times and good times. Your post just utterly baffles me. Frotage
  • Score: 2

5:11pm Sat 10 May 14

JustBecause says...

Stop moaning and think yourself lucky, the do something about it, be thankful you not sat an a rubbish tip in a third world country just to eat, or getting your daughter to walk 10 miles for water.

I bet you have phones, tv, Internet......
Stop moaning and think yourself lucky, the do something about it, be thankful you not sat an a rubbish tip in a third world country just to eat, or getting your daughter to walk 10 miles for water. I bet you have phones, tv, Internet...... JustBecause
  • Score: -25

8:50pm Sat 10 May 14

cranks says...

Living wages just like minimum wages do NOT work.....does anybody recall the time when a minimum wage was supposed to get people out of poverty? Sadly all that happened was that prices increased across the board in order for employers to pay the rate hence the poor are still poor...a living wage will do exactly the same thing where a increase in prices will be the only way to pay for the wage increase which results in the poor still being poor?
Living wages just like minimum wages do NOT work.....does anybody recall the time when a minimum wage was supposed to get people out of poverty? Sadly all that happened was that prices increased across the board in order for employers to pay the rate hence the poor are still poor...a living wage will do exactly the same thing where a increase in prices will be the only way to pay for the wage increase which results in the poor still being poor? cranks
  • Score: 8

9:15pm Sat 10 May 14

GoneNow says...

And how effort has the daughter made to find a full time job?

21 and only working about 10 hours a week then comes on here bleating about poor they are?

Its your life, its your problem, you do something about it instead of expecting everybody else to do something for you.
And how effort has the daughter made to find a full time job? 21 and only working about 10 hours a week then comes on here bleating about poor they are? Its your life, its your problem, you do something about it instead of expecting everybody else to do something for you. GoneNow
  • Score: 18

3:53am Sun 11 May 14

pecky2k says...

I think some of the people commenting are talking s**t about working more hours. Take a look around, show me where these jobs are that don't exist, most jobs in the Job Centre are quite simply just adverts for agencies offering part time or temporary work. Get rid of the skilled foreigners who came here for the skilled jobs that British workers couldn't do who have ended up taking basic jobs that unskilled British people could do. I work self employed for more hours than many of you for less than minimum wage in the hope that other work will come along, bottom line I'm busting my b*lls for nothing and no time to find anything better. Now tell me that all people who are on minimum wage are slackers!!
I think some of the people commenting are talking s**t about working more hours. Take a look around, show me where these jobs are that don't exist, most jobs in the Job Centre are quite simply just adverts for agencies offering part time or temporary work. Get rid of the skilled foreigners who came here for the skilled jobs that British workers couldn't do who have ended up taking basic jobs that unskilled British people could do. I work self employed for more hours than many of you for less than minimum wage in the hope that other work will come along, bottom line I'm busting my b*lls for nothing and no time to find anything better. Now tell me that all people who are on minimum wage are slackers!! pecky2k
  • Score: 4

9:26am Sun 11 May 14

buggy5 says...

JustBecause wrote:
Stop moaning and think yourself lucky, the do something about it, be thankful you not sat an a rubbish tip in a third world country just to eat, or getting your daughter to walk 10 miles for water.

I bet you have phones, tv, Internet......
Unfortunately on my wage I can afford internet I have to have a phone for work as the job required it for logging in were i and reports and I have nothing on hp because I can afford it theres a lot of people like me on the minimum wage struggle to buy basics cant afford to move as need to be able to afford a deposit and are not priority on the council list as not in need do not have dependants and dont need emergency accommodation increaseing the minimum wage is the only way forward to accomadate the increase in utilities council tax and food expenses.
[quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: Stop moaning and think yourself lucky, the do something about it, be thankful you not sat an a rubbish tip in a third world country just to eat, or getting your daughter to walk 10 miles for water. I bet you have phones, tv, Internet......[/p][/quote]Unfortunately on my wage I can afford internet I have to have a phone for work as the job required it for logging in were i and reports and I have nothing on hp because I can afford it theres a lot of people like me on the minimum wage struggle to buy basics cant afford to move as need to be able to afford a deposit and are not priority on the council list as not in need do not have dependants and dont need emergency accommodation increaseing the minimum wage is the only way forward to accomadate the increase in utilities council tax and food expenses. buggy5
  • Score: 9

9:29am Sun 11 May 14

buggy5 says...

buggy5 wrote:
JustBecause wrote:
Stop moaning and think yourself lucky, the do something about it, be thankful you not sat an a rubbish tip in a third world country just to eat, or getting your daughter to walk 10 miles for water.

I bet you have phones, tv, Internet......
Unfortunately on my wage I can afford internet I have to have a phone for work as the job required it for logging in were i and reports and I have nothing on hp because I can afford it theres a lot of people like me on the minimum wage struggle to buy basics cant afford to move as need to be able to afford a deposit and are not priority on the council list as not in need do not have dependants and dont need emergency accommodation increaseing the minimum wage is the only way forward to accomadate the increase in utilities council tax and food expenses.
Should say cant afford sorry not used to internet and logging in at a friends.
[quote][p][bold]buggy5[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: Stop moaning and think yourself lucky, the do something about it, be thankful you not sat an a rubbish tip in a third world country just to eat, or getting your daughter to walk 10 miles for water. I bet you have phones, tv, Internet......[/p][/quote]Unfortunately on my wage I can afford internet I have to have a phone for work as the job required it for logging in were i and reports and I have nothing on hp because I can afford it theres a lot of people like me on the minimum wage struggle to buy basics cant afford to move as need to be able to afford a deposit and are not priority on the council list as not in need do not have dependants and dont need emergency accommodation increaseing the minimum wage is the only way forward to accomadate the increase in utilities council tax and food expenses.[/p][/quote]Should say cant afford sorry not used to internet and logging in at a friends. buggy5
  • Score: 5

10:59am Sun 11 May 14

Randolf Litler !!! says...

Suicide is the only option for a lot of people including me... what's the point in life if we are just hounded for money all our lives, i give up.
Suicide is the only option for a lot of people including me... what's the point in life if we are just hounded for money all our lives, i give up. Randolf Litler !!!
  • Score: 7

11:37am Sun 11 May 14

Bolton Lad 85 says...

The fact are that if you are on minimum wage the is is because your skills are only worth that amount to your employer. This woman has wasted her life earning no money, this should have motivated her to help her daughter get a good education and then a decent job. However these layabouts normally breed another waste of space. If you don't want to be on minimum wage get make yourself more valuable in the job market. That tacky hair won't help in interviews as well, this woman has failed her daughter.
The fact are that if you are on minimum wage the is is because your skills are only worth that amount to your employer. This woman has wasted her life earning no money, this should have motivated her to help her daughter get a good education and then a decent job. However these layabouts normally breed another waste of space. If you don't want to be on minimum wage get make yourself more valuable in the job market. That tacky hair won't help in interviews as well, this woman has failed her daughter. Bolton Lad 85
  • Score: -10

1:52pm Sun 11 May 14

charlie_pie says...

I would just like to start by saying that none of you know anything about me or my mum or our situation and this article was not a way for us to get publicity, help or pity. Also no where does it say that we are poor, so I am unsure how you have come to that conclusion. This article is here to show that even the working class have difficulty paying the bills and putting food on the table but there are people/places out there who can help such as the food bank. Yes we do have tv, internet and phones, they were all bought when my dad was alive and with hard earned money, we continue to pay for these with money earned from our jobs. When I lost my dad 3.5 yrs ago things got hard and I had to take care of my mum for personal reasons which also meant her losing her job, when I finished college I looked for full time employment however I was unable to find anything. I work as a sales assistant in a pet store and as a receptionist at the vaccination clinic held on Thursday's within said pet store (yes I actually have two jobs), I actually earn about £91.50 a week at an average of 14hrs a week, however some weeks I will work more hours which means at the end the month I have a little extra money to spend on myself i.e. hair, clothes, going out with friends. I often spend the money on treating my mum or putting extra food on the table, all with money I have earned. So excuse me if I don't want to be sat on my backside taking tax payers money and want a job that I enjoy. I am looking into work overseas in order to earn more money to help support my family and my future, I have always wished to work with animals and it is something that my dad and the rest of my family always encouraged, I do not wish to be in a job that I hate and don't want to get up to do just because it pays more.

I am just ashamed that people are so quick to judge.
I would just like to start by saying that none of you know anything about me or my mum or our situation and this article was not a way for us to get publicity, help or pity. Also no where does it say that we are poor, so I am unsure how you have come to that conclusion. This article is here to show that even the working class have difficulty paying the bills and putting food on the table but there are people/places out there who can help such as the food bank. Yes we do have tv, internet and phones, they were all bought when my dad was alive and with hard earned money, we continue to pay for these with money earned from our jobs. When I lost my dad 3.5 yrs ago things got hard and I had to take care of my mum for personal reasons which also meant her losing her job, when I finished college I looked for full time employment however I was unable to find anything. I work as a sales assistant in a pet store and as a receptionist at the vaccination clinic held on Thursday's within said pet store (yes I actually have two jobs), I actually earn about £91.50 a week at an average of 14hrs a week, however some weeks I will work more hours which means at the end the month I have a little extra money to spend on myself i.e. hair, clothes, going out with friends. I often spend the money on treating my mum or putting extra food on the table, all with money I have earned. So excuse me if I don't want to be sat on my backside taking tax payers money and want a job that I enjoy. I am looking into work overseas in order to earn more money to help support my family and my future, I have always wished to work with animals and it is something that my dad and the rest of my family always encouraged, I do not wish to be in a job that I hate and don't want to get up to do just because it pays more. I am just ashamed that people are so quick to judge. charlie_pie
  • Score: 17

2:13pm Sun 11 May 14

Don Kiddick says...

Cannot afford food but can afford some pretty horrendous hair dye though. No wonder they cannot get jobs with hair like that. Urrrrgh.
Cannot afford food but can afford some pretty horrendous hair dye though. No wonder they cannot get jobs with hair like that. Urrrrgh. Don Kiddick
  • Score: -12

2:27pm Sun 11 May 14

Randolf Litler !!! says...

charlie_pie

All the best in your search to work overseas xx
charlie_pie All the best in your search to work overseas xx Randolf Litler !!!
  • Score: 17

2:30pm Sun 11 May 14

buggy5 says...

Bolton Lad 85 wrote:
The fact are that if you are on minimum wage the is is because your skills are only worth that amount to your employer. This woman has wasted her life earning no money, this should have motivated her to help her daughter get a good education and then a decent job. However these layabouts normally breed another waste of space. If you don't want to be on minimum wage get make yourself more valuable in the job market. That tacky hair won't help in interviews as well, this woman has failed her daughter.
It has nothing to do with skills and more to do with wages not riseing with the cost of liveing .
I have qualifications but these werent of intrest to my employers and if you check how many vacancys are actually advertised above the minimum wage its few and far between as are full time positions .
I took the job I have to avoid the jobcenter when my zero hours contract offered me just that zilch ,.but as I said in previous posts maybe I should join the jobcenter for a handout after all working hard amounts to nothing.
[quote][p][bold]Bolton Lad 85[/bold] wrote: The fact are that if you are on minimum wage the is is because your skills are only worth that amount to your employer. This woman has wasted her life earning no money, this should have motivated her to help her daughter get a good education and then a decent job. However these layabouts normally breed another waste of space. If you don't want to be on minimum wage get make yourself more valuable in the job market. That tacky hair won't help in interviews as well, this woman has failed her daughter.[/p][/quote]It has nothing to do with skills and more to do with wages not riseing with the cost of liveing . I have qualifications but these werent of intrest to my employers and if you check how many vacancys are actually advertised above the minimum wage its few and far between as are full time positions . I took the job I have to avoid the jobcenter when my zero hours contract offered me just that zilch ,.but as I said in previous posts maybe I should join the jobcenter for a handout after all working hard amounts to nothing. buggy5
  • Score: 9

3:21pm Sun 11 May 14

GoneNow says...

"I do not wish to be in a job that I hate and don't want to get up to do just because it pays more. "

There's plenty of people working full time jobs they don't like because they need the money to pay rent or mortgage and support themselves.
"I do not wish to be in a job that I hate and don't want to get up to do just because it pays more. " There's plenty of people working full time jobs they don't like because they need the money to pay rent or mortgage and support themselves. GoneNow
  • Score: 11

3:34pm Sun 11 May 14

charlie_pie says...

GoneNow wrote:
"I do not wish to be in a job that I hate and don't want to get up to do just because it pays more. "

There's plenty of people working full time jobs they don't like because they need the money to pay rent or mortgage and support themselves.
I understand that but I am saying that's not what I want for myself. I enjoy my jobs even though they don't pay well, and I am working on finding a better paid job working with animals but this means looking in other countries as there just isn't anything like that here.
[quote][p][bold]GoneNow[/bold] wrote: "I do not wish to be in a job that I hate and don't want to get up to do just because it pays more. " There's plenty of people working full time jobs they don't like because they need the money to pay rent or mortgage and support themselves.[/p][/quote]I understand that but I am saying that's not what I want for myself. I enjoy my jobs even though they don't pay well, and I am working on finding a better paid job working with animals but this means looking in other countries as there just isn't anything like that here. charlie_pie
  • Score: 7

3:51pm Sun 11 May 14

Don Kiddick says...

buggy5 wrote:
Bolton Lad 85 wrote:
The fact are that if you are on minimum wage the is is because your skills are only worth that amount to your employer. This woman has wasted her life earning no money, this should have motivated her to help her daughter get a good education and then a decent job. However these layabouts normally breed another waste of space. If you don't want to be on minimum wage get make yourself more valuable in the job market. That tacky hair won't help in interviews as well, this woman has failed her daughter.
It has nothing to do with skills and more to do with wages not riseing with the cost of liveing .
I have qualifications but these werent of intrest to my employers and if you check how many vacancys are actually advertised above the minimum wage its few and far between as are full time positions .
I took the job I have to avoid the jobcenter when my zero hours contract offered me just that zilch ,.but as I said in previous posts maybe I should join the jobcenter for a handout after all working hard amounts to nothing.
Obviously not quals in literacy.
[quote][p][bold]buggy5[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bolton Lad 85[/bold] wrote: The fact are that if you are on minimum wage the is is because your skills are only worth that amount to your employer. This woman has wasted her life earning no money, this should have motivated her to help her daughter get a good education and then a decent job. However these layabouts normally breed another waste of space. If you don't want to be on minimum wage get make yourself more valuable in the job market. That tacky hair won't help in interviews as well, this woman has failed her daughter.[/p][/quote]It has nothing to do with skills and more to do with wages not riseing with the cost of liveing . I have qualifications but these werent of intrest to my employers and if you check how many vacancys are actually advertised above the minimum wage its few and far between as are full time positions . I took the job I have to avoid the jobcenter when my zero hours contract offered me just that zilch ,.but as I said in previous posts maybe I should join the jobcenter for a handout after all working hard amounts to nothing.[/p][/quote]Obviously not quals in literacy. Don Kiddick
  • Score: -5

4:10pm Sun 11 May 14

buggy5 says...

Don Kiddick wrote:
buggy5 wrote:
Bolton Lad 85 wrote:
The fact are that if you are on minimum wage the is is because your skills are only worth that amount to your employer. This woman has wasted her life earning no money, this should have motivated her to help her daughter get a good education and then a decent job. However these layabouts normally breed another waste of space. If you don't want to be on minimum wage get make yourself more valuable in the job market. That tacky hair won't help in interviews as well, this woman has failed her daughter.
It has nothing to do with skills and more to do with wages not riseing with the cost of liveing .
I have qualifications but these werent of intrest to my employers and if you check how many vacancys are actually advertised above the minimum wage its few and far between as are full time positions .
I took the job I have to avoid the jobcenter when my zero hours contract offered me just that zilch ,.but as I said in previous posts maybe I should join the jobcenter for a handout after all working hard amounts to nothing.
Obviously not quals in literacy.
Nope not the best I admit it but good people skills and interpersonal skills which I think count more in this world.
[quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buggy5[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bolton Lad 85[/bold] wrote: The fact are that if you are on minimum wage the is is because your skills are only worth that amount to your employer. This woman has wasted her life earning no money, this should have motivated her to help her daughter get a good education and then a decent job. However these layabouts normally breed another waste of space. If you don't want to be on minimum wage get make yourself more valuable in the job market. That tacky hair won't help in interviews as well, this woman has failed her daughter.[/p][/quote]It has nothing to do with skills and more to do with wages not riseing with the cost of liveing . I have qualifications but these werent of intrest to my employers and if you check how many vacancys are actually advertised above the minimum wage its few and far between as are full time positions . I took the job I have to avoid the jobcenter when my zero hours contract offered me just that zilch ,.but as I said in previous posts maybe I should join the jobcenter for a handout after all working hard amounts to nothing.[/p][/quote]Obviously not quals in literacy.[/p][/quote]Nope not the best I admit it but good people skills and interpersonal skills which I think count more in this world. buggy5
  • Score: 9

4:55pm Sun 11 May 14

Welcometothedarkside says...

Sexybum123 wrote:
And what the hell has it got to do with any of you.Telling them get another job yeh just like that. Rember another a------- coming out with a statement about getting on your bike I'm alright jack stuff you comes to mind and we know who as them sentiments don't we
eh.?
[quote][p][bold]Sexybum123[/bold] wrote: And what the hell has it got to do with any of you.Telling them get another job yeh just like that. Rember another a------- coming out with a statement about getting on your bike I'm alright jack stuff you comes to mind and we know who as them sentiments don't we[/p][/quote]eh.? Welcometothedarkside
  • Score: 3

6:46pm Sun 11 May 14

Percy Thrower says...

All of you criticizing Charlotte and her Mum for going public with this story, why, do you think you're better than her, just because life has dealt you a better hand.
Real life will catch most of you up one day and you will be in a similar or worse situation.
Charlotte good luck with your future, at 21 I wasn't half as responsible as you.
Also stop having a go at this girls hair there is nothing wrong with it guys you're going to give her a complex. Most of you commenting I think you wouldn't post such comments if we had a clear picture how you look.
All of you criticizing Charlotte and her Mum for going public with this story, why, do you think you're better than her, just because life has dealt you a better hand. Real life will catch most of you up one day and you will be in a similar or worse situation. Charlotte good luck with your future, at 21 I wasn't half as responsible as you. Also stop having a go at this girls hair there is nothing wrong with it guys you're going to give her a complex. Most of you commenting I think you wouldn't post such comments if we had a clear picture how you look. Percy Thrower
  • Score: 21

8:12pm Sun 11 May 14

Don Kiddick says...

buggy5 wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
buggy5 wrote:
Bolton Lad 85 wrote:
The fact are that if you are on minimum wage the is is because your skills are only worth that amount to your employer. This woman has wasted her life earning no money, this should have motivated her to help her daughter get a good education and then a decent job. However these layabouts normally breed another waste of space. If you don't want to be on minimum wage get make yourself more valuable in the job market. That tacky hair won't help in interviews as well, this woman has failed her daughter.
It has nothing to do with skills and more to do with wages not riseing with the cost of liveing .
I have qualifications but these werent of intrest to my employers and if you check how many vacancys are actually advertised above the minimum wage its few and far between as are full time positions .
I took the job I have to avoid the jobcenter when my zero hours contract offered me just that zilch ,.but as I said in previous posts maybe I should join the jobcenter for a handout after all working hard amounts to nothing.
Obviously not quals in literacy.
Nope not the best I admit it but good people skills and interpersonal skills which I think count more in this world.
It would appear your career says otherwise.
[quote][p][bold]buggy5[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buggy5[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bolton Lad 85[/bold] wrote: The fact are that if you are on minimum wage the is is because your skills are only worth that amount to your employer. This woman has wasted her life earning no money, this should have motivated her to help her daughter get a good education and then a decent job. However these layabouts normally breed another waste of space. If you don't want to be on minimum wage get make yourself more valuable in the job market. That tacky hair won't help in interviews as well, this woman has failed her daughter.[/p][/quote]It has nothing to do with skills and more to do with wages not riseing with the cost of liveing . I have qualifications but these werent of intrest to my employers and if you check how many vacancys are actually advertised above the minimum wage its few and far between as are full time positions . I took the job I have to avoid the jobcenter when my zero hours contract offered me just that zilch ,.but as I said in previous posts maybe I should join the jobcenter for a handout after all working hard amounts to nothing.[/p][/quote]Obviously not quals in literacy.[/p][/quote]Nope not the best I admit it but good people skills and interpersonal skills which I think count more in this world.[/p][/quote]It would appear your career says otherwise. Don Kiddick
  • Score: -5

11:06pm Sun 11 May 14

mr.mark.c says...

Far to many haters on here, it's quite obvious that they are not lazy, some people need to dump their hate and wake up to the fact that these people are 'trying' unlike the scroungers that fake depression (making the real sufferers look bad) just to stay in bed and steal oxygen.
Chin up Sandra and Charlotte, most people do understand and hope things get better :)
Far to many haters on here, it's quite obvious that they are not lazy, some people need to dump their hate and wake up to the fact that these people are 'trying' unlike the scroungers that fake depression (making the real sufferers look bad) just to stay in bed and steal oxygen. Chin up Sandra and Charlotte, most people do understand and hope things get better :) mr.mark.c
  • Score: 12

6:44am Mon 12 May 14

Jacob C says...

I thought I was reading the Daily mail for a minute
I love Bolton and am proud of it and the people I thought we were better than this,some of these comments are just spiteful and judgmental for the sake of it
Sandra and her daughter both work both contribute and are decent good people who are highlighting poverty, low wages and the current situation
This is very brave of them , good luck for the future to both Sandra and Charlotte. Do not let them grind you down
I thought I was reading the Daily mail for a minute I love Bolton and am proud of it and the people I thought we were better than this,some of these comments are just spiteful and judgmental for the sake of it Sandra and her daughter both work both contribute and are decent good people who are highlighting poverty, low wages and the current situation This is very brave of them , good luck for the future to both Sandra and Charlotte. Do not let them grind you down Jacob C
  • Score: 10

6:44am Mon 12 May 14

buggy5 says...

Don Kiddick wrote:
buggy5 wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
buggy5 wrote:
Bolton Lad 85 wrote: The fact are that if you are on minimum wage the is is because your skills are only worth that amount to your employer. This woman has wasted her life earning no money, this should have motivated her to help her daughter get a good education and then a decent job. However these layabouts normally breed another waste of space. If you don't want to be on minimum wage get make yourself more valuable in the job market. That tacky hair won't help in interviews as well, this woman has failed her daughter.
It has nothing to do with skills and more to do with wages not riseing with the cost of liveing . I have qualifications but these werent of intrest to my employers and if you check how many vacancys are actually advertised above the minimum wage its few and far between as are full time positions . I took the job I have to avoid the jobcenter when my zero hours contract offered me just that zilch ,.but as I said in previous posts maybe I should join the jobcenter for a handout after all working hard amounts to nothing.
Obviously not quals in literacy.
Nope not the best I admit it but good people skills and interpersonal skills which I think count more in this world.
It would appear your career says otherwise.
My career is working as a concierge in a hotel in manchester so you may find that in this career they are required.I can only assume your career requires you to look down on other people there is a difference between opinion and demeanining people obviously you have yet to work out the difference .
[quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buggy5[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buggy5[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bolton Lad 85[/bold] wrote: The fact are that if you are on minimum wage the is is because your skills are only worth that amount to your employer. This woman has wasted her life earning no money, this should have motivated her to help her daughter get a good education and then a decent job. However these layabouts normally breed another waste of space. If you don't want to be on minimum wage get make yourself more valuable in the job market. That tacky hair won't help in interviews as well, this woman has failed her daughter.[/p][/quote]It has nothing to do with skills and more to do with wages not riseing with the cost of liveing . I have qualifications but these werent of intrest to my employers and if you check how many vacancys are actually advertised above the minimum wage its few and far between as are full time positions . I took the job I have to avoid the jobcenter when my zero hours contract offered me just that zilch ,.but as I said in previous posts maybe I should join the jobcenter for a handout after all working hard amounts to nothing.[/p][/quote]Obviously not quals in literacy.[/p][/quote]Nope not the best I admit it but good people skills and interpersonal skills which I think count more in this world.[/p][/quote]It would appear your career says otherwise.[/p][/quote]My career is working as a concierge in a hotel in manchester so you may find that in this career they are required.I can only assume your career requires you to look down on other people there is a difference between opinion and demeanining people obviously you have yet to work out the difference . buggy5
  • Score: 6

6:54am Mon 12 May 14

buggy5 says...

And yes you will probably complain about spelling mistakes but I have to give you something to do mr kiddick.:-)
And yes you will probably complain about spelling mistakes but I have to give you something to do mr kiddick.:-) buggy5
  • Score: 8

8:50am Mon 12 May 14

Jim271 says...

I am disgusted by some of the comments on here.

All these GET A BETTER JOB brigade.

These people are working and working hard, they are not benefit scroungers they are the kind of people the Government and Council ignore because they want immigrants to come in and vote for them.

They should be helping working people instead of handing out money to immigrants and lesbian workshops and alcoholics and smackheads.

I am not prone to violence but these get a better job brigade I would be quite willing to SLAP.
I am disgusted by some of the comments on here. All these GET A BETTER JOB brigade. These people are working and working hard, they are not benefit scroungers they are the kind of people the Government and Council ignore because they want immigrants to come in and vote for them. They should be helping working people instead of handing out money to immigrants and lesbian workshops and alcoholics and smackheads. I am not prone to violence but these get a better job brigade I would be quite willing to SLAP. Jim271
  • Score: 2

11:20am Mon 12 May 14

Don Kiddick says...

Jim271 wrote:
I am disgusted by some of the comments on here. All these GET A BETTER JOB brigade. These people are working and working hard, they are not benefit scroungers they are the kind of people the Government and Council ignore because they want immigrants to come in and vote for them. They should be helping working people instead of handing out money to immigrants and lesbian workshops and alcoholics and smackheads. I am not prone to violence but these get a better job brigade I would be quite willing to SLAP.
Quite worrying in this day and age to have homophobic comments posted up for all to see.

Shameful, pathetic and small-minded.
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: I am disgusted by some of the comments on here. All these GET A BETTER JOB brigade. These people are working and working hard, they are not benefit scroungers they are the kind of people the Government and Council ignore because they want immigrants to come in and vote for them. They should be helping working people instead of handing out money to immigrants and lesbian workshops and alcoholics and smackheads. I am not prone to violence but these get a better job brigade I would be quite willing to SLAP.[/p][/quote]Quite worrying in this day and age to have homophobic comments posted up for all to see. Shameful, pathetic and small-minded. Don Kiddick
  • Score: -2

11:32am Mon 12 May 14

Don Kiddick says...

buggy5 wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
buggy5 wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
buggy5 wrote:
Bolton Lad 85 wrote: The fact are that if you are on minimum wage the is is because your skills are only worth that amount to your employer. This woman has wasted her life earning no money, this should have motivated her to help her daughter get a good education and then a decent job. However these layabouts normally breed another waste of space. If you don't want to be on minimum wage get make yourself more valuable in the job market. That tacky hair won't help in interviews as well, this woman has failed her daughter.
It has nothing to do with skills and more to do with wages not riseing with the cost of liveing . I have qualifications but these werent of intrest to my employers and if you check how many vacancys are actually advertised above the minimum wage its few and far between as are full time positions . I took the job I have to avoid the jobcenter when my zero hours contract offered me just that zilch ,.but as I said in previous posts maybe I should join the jobcenter for a handout after all working hard amounts to nothing.
Obviously not quals in literacy.
Nope not the best I admit it but good people skills and interpersonal skills which I think count more in this world.
It would appear your career says otherwise.
My career is working as a concierge in a hotel in manchester so you may find that in this career they are required.I can only assume your career requires you to look down on other people there is a difference between opinion and demeanining people obviously you have yet to work out the difference .
You said you had quals, but your literacy skills are poor which I pointed out and you agreed with. You went on to state "people" skills count for more in this day and age yet your career is hardly glittering - something else you confirmed.

Rather than looking down at you, I'm simply stating fact. Perhaps if you lost the chip on your shoulder, you'd be better off.
[quote][p][bold]buggy5[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buggy5[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buggy5[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bolton Lad 85[/bold] wrote: The fact are that if you are on minimum wage the is is because your skills are only worth that amount to your employer. This woman has wasted her life earning no money, this should have motivated her to help her daughter get a good education and then a decent job. However these layabouts normally breed another waste of space. If you don't want to be on minimum wage get make yourself more valuable in the job market. That tacky hair won't help in interviews as well, this woman has failed her daughter.[/p][/quote]It has nothing to do with skills and more to do with wages not riseing with the cost of liveing . I have qualifications but these werent of intrest to my employers and if you check how many vacancys are actually advertised above the minimum wage its few and far between as are full time positions . I took the job I have to avoid the jobcenter when my zero hours contract offered me just that zilch ,.but as I said in previous posts maybe I should join the jobcenter for a handout after all working hard amounts to nothing.[/p][/quote]Obviously not quals in literacy.[/p][/quote]Nope not the best I admit it but good people skills and interpersonal skills which I think count more in this world.[/p][/quote]It would appear your career says otherwise.[/p][/quote]My career is working as a concierge in a hotel in manchester so you may find that in this career they are required.I can only assume your career requires you to look down on other people there is a difference between opinion and demeanining people obviously you have yet to work out the difference .[/p][/quote]You said you had quals, but your literacy skills are poor which I pointed out and you agreed with. You went on to state "people" skills count for more in this day and age yet your career is hardly glittering - something else you confirmed. Rather than looking down at you, I'm simply stating fact. Perhaps if you lost the chip on your shoulder, you'd be better off. Don Kiddick
  • Score: -7

12:06pm Mon 12 May 14

buggy5 says...

So far on here the only comments you seem able to write about people are ones that make it appear you are a cut above everyone I would recommend mr kiddick you check your own shoulders first for the chip as the comment your career is hardly glittering shows your snobbish attitude.fact.:-)
So far on here the only comments you seem able to write about people are ones that make it appear you are a cut above everyone I would recommend mr kiddick you check your own shoulders first for the chip as the comment your career is hardly glittering shows your snobbish attitude.fact.:-) buggy5
  • Score: 3

5:47pm Mon 12 May 14

Don Kiddick says...

buggy5 wrote:
So far on here the only comments you seem able to write about people are ones that make it appear you are a cut above everyone I would recommend mr kiddick you check your own shoulders first for the chip as the comment your career is hardly glittering shows your snobbish attitude.fact.:-)
Once again, my comments are re-iterations of your own words. Going off your attitude, I would suggest reaching the dizzying heights you have achieved in the hotel industry - it is clear you have done remarkably well for yourself.
[quote][p][bold]buggy5[/bold] wrote: So far on here the only comments you seem able to write about people are ones that make it appear you are a cut above everyone I would recommend mr kiddick you check your own shoulders first for the chip as the comment your career is hardly glittering shows your snobbish attitude.fact.:-)[/p][/quote]Once again, my comments are re-iterations of your own words. Going off your attitude, I would suggest reaching the dizzying heights you have achieved in the hotel industry - it is clear you have done remarkably well for yourself. Don Kiddick
  • Score: -3

10:53am Fri 30 May 14

Lancashire always says...

Bolton Lad 85 wrote:
The fact are that if you are on minimum wage the is is because your skills are only worth that amount to your employer. This woman has wasted her life earning no money, this should have motivated her to help her daughter get a good education and then a decent job. However these layabouts normally breed another waste of space. If you don't want to be on minimum wage get make yourself more valuable in the job market. That tacky hair won't help in interviews as well, this woman has failed her daughter.
I think you will find if any blame is valid the Daughter has actually let the mum down !
[quote][p][bold]Bolton Lad 85[/bold] wrote: The fact are that if you are on minimum wage the is is because your skills are only worth that amount to your employer. This woman has wasted her life earning no money, this should have motivated her to help her daughter get a good education and then a decent job. However these layabouts normally breed another waste of space. If you don't want to be on minimum wage get make yourself more valuable in the job market. That tacky hair won't help in interviews as well, this woman has failed her daughter.[/p][/quote]I think you will find if any blame is valid the Daughter has actually let the mum down ! Lancashire always
  • Score: -1

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