Bolton Council staff consider strike action after rejecting one per cent pay rise offer

The Bolton News: Bolton Town Hall Bolton Town Hall

Council workers in Bolton will be balloted for strike action after more than 80 per cent of Unison members voted to reject a one per cent pay rise offer.

The union, which represents public sector workers, says there is anger over the pay increase which will mean the lowest paid staff would receive a rise only slightly above inflation.

The move is part of a national industrial action ballot in England, Wales and Northern Ireland by local government workers. If members vote to strike, it is anticipated the industrial action will start in July.

Andrea Egan, assistant branch secretary, said Bolton public sector workers had spoken loudly and clearly against the one per cent pay offer.

She said: “This anger has come from across the board. It includes cleaners, caretakers, refuse workers, care staff, social workers, planning officers and people in the contact centre who have all said that enough is enough.

"No one likes the idea of striking, but people are prepared to fight for a decent pay rise.”

In January, union members lobbied the council to increase employees’ pay by £1 an hour to help them cope with the rising cost of living. In February, Bolton Council committed to spending £400,000 to boost the pay of their lowest earners to the living wage.

The call for industrial action has received the support of the general workers’ union GMB, and Sean Warren, the union’s convenor, said they would be working closely with Unison colleagues.

He said: “The overwhelming response that we have had from rank and file GMB members here in Bolton has been very much in favour of taking action against the one per cent offer.

"We keep hearing that we are out of recession and that wages are now rising faster than living costs. That is certainly not the experience of public service workers here in our town.”

Unison members are invited to attend an open meeting about the strike at the Lancaster Suite in the Town Hall on Tuesday, May 27, from 4.30pm until 5.30pm.

Sessions will also take place on Wednesday, May 28, at 7am in Wellington Yard, and from 12.30pm until 1.30pm at the Library Lecture Theatre in Central Library, Le Mans Crescent.

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6:59am Mon 12 May 14

Lee3695 says...

Where is my pay rise? I haven't had an pay increase for the last five years, nor have a great many other people I suspect, yet the Unions are crying their members aren't being paid enough. Who does think they are paid enough? Have council services improved? Instead we read about more cuts and Bolton Council voting to increase Council tax to compensate the council workers pension scheme. Now we read the same workers want a pay rise as well, all funded by the tax payer who is not getting an improved level of service but is getting increased costs and excuses. I don't begrudge anyone a pay rise, provided they have earned it and from what I see and experience, this lot haven't done that.
Where is my pay rise? I haven't had an pay increase for the last five years, nor have a great many other people I suspect, yet the Unions are crying their members aren't being paid enough. Who does think they are paid enough? Have council services improved? Instead we read about more cuts and Bolton Council voting to increase Council tax to compensate the council workers pension scheme. Now we read the same workers want a pay rise as well, all funded by the tax payer who is not getting an improved level of service but is getting increased costs and excuses. I don't begrudge anyone a pay rise, provided they have earned it and from what I see and experience, this lot haven't done that. Lee3695
  • Score: -28

8:30am Mon 12 May 14

Jim271 says...

They can always quit and get jobs elsewhere,

hang on they can't get jobs elsewhere because of all the extra immigrants they have housed in the last ten years.

Paybacks a bee ich.
They can always quit and get jobs elsewhere, hang on they can't get jobs elsewhere because of all the extra immigrants they have housed in the last ten years. Paybacks a bee ich. Jim271
  • Score: -45

8:38am Mon 12 May 14

Chrome1 says...

Jim, it's a bit like you saying lemons: you make bugger all sense, except trying to shoehorn your fascist views into this forum. On a more economic and political level it will be futile to strike as staff will lose a day's pay, plus there is no guarantee of an extra payrise.
LEE3695 (a 19 year old I guess) makes more sense. Sorry for being patronising.
Jim, it's a bit like you saying lemons: you make bugger all sense, except trying to shoehorn your fascist views into this forum. On a more economic and political level it will be futile to strike as staff will lose a day's pay, plus there is no guarantee of an extra payrise. LEE3695 (a 19 year old I guess) makes more sense. Sorry for being patronising. Chrome1
  • Score: 44

8:56am Mon 12 May 14

Balboa says...

Union idiots stuck with politics belonging to the dark ages.

Give us what we want or we'll walk out. Ingenious.

If the staff don't like the pay offer, then they're free to look elsewhere. Most of them though will simply do what they're told by the socialist union bullies. Can almost picture them now - middle aged, white, overweight, sleeves rolled up, arms crossed, grumpy and unable to string sentence together which doesn't end in a threat.
Union idiots stuck with politics belonging to the dark ages. Give us what we want or we'll walk out. Ingenious. If the staff don't like the pay offer, then they're free to look elsewhere. Most of them though will simply do what they're told by the socialist union bullies. Can almost picture them now - middle aged, white, overweight, sleeves rolled up, arms crossed, grumpy and unable to string sentence together which doesn't end in a threat. Balboa
  • Score: -33

9:21am Mon 12 May 14

underwater says...

Lee3695 wrote:
Where is my pay rise? I haven't had an pay increase for the last five years, nor have a great many other people I suspect, yet the Unions are crying their members aren't being paid enough. Who does think they are paid enough? Have council services improved? Instead we read about more cuts and Bolton Council voting to increase Council tax to compensate the council workers pension scheme. Now we read the same workers want a pay rise as well, all funded by the tax payer who is not getting an improved level of service but is getting increased costs and excuses. I don't begrudge anyone a pay rise, provided they have earned it and from what I see and experience, this lot haven't done that.
I agree with every word you have said, these people are just parasites not happy enough with nice easy jobs plus an inflation proof pension and quite often early retirement as well.How do they think ex self emolyed people manage to live, they do not have all these perks. The unions have a lot to answer for, they are constantly stirring up unrest. Why can they not understand the country has not recovered from the mess Labour left us in yet. They must learn to live within there means.
[quote][p][bold]Lee3695[/bold] wrote: Where is my pay rise? I haven't had an pay increase for the last five years, nor have a great many other people I suspect, yet the Unions are crying their members aren't being paid enough. Who does think they are paid enough? Have council services improved? Instead we read about more cuts and Bolton Council voting to increase Council tax to compensate the council workers pension scheme. Now we read the same workers want a pay rise as well, all funded by the tax payer who is not getting an improved level of service but is getting increased costs and excuses. I don't begrudge anyone a pay rise, provided they have earned it and from what I see and experience, this lot haven't done that.[/p][/quote]I agree with every word you have said, these people are just parasites not happy enough with nice easy jobs plus an inflation proof pension and quite often early retirement as well.How do they think ex self emolyed people manage to live, they do not have all these perks. The unions have a lot to answer for, they are constantly stirring up unrest. Why can they not understand the country has not recovered from the mess Labour left us in yet. They must learn to live within there means. underwater
  • Score: -22

10:13am Mon 12 May 14

Thatissowrong says...

underwater wrote:
Lee3695 wrote:
Where is my pay rise? I haven't had an pay increase for the last five years, nor have a great many other people I suspect, yet the Unions are crying their members aren't being paid enough. Who does think they are paid enough? Have council services improved? Instead we read about more cuts and Bolton Council voting to increase Council tax to compensate the council workers pension scheme. Now we read the same workers want a pay rise as well, all funded by the tax payer who is not getting an improved level of service but is getting increased costs and excuses. I don't begrudge anyone a pay rise, provided they have earned it and from what I see and experience, this lot haven't done that.
I agree with every word you have said, these people are just parasites not happy enough with nice easy jobs plus an inflation proof pension and quite often early retirement as well.How do they think ex self emolyed people manage to live, they do not have all these perks. The unions have a lot to answer for, they are constantly stirring up unrest. Why can they not understand the country has not recovered from the mess Labour left us in yet. They must learn to live within there means.
Spot on both if you. Plus the Tories just love this example of disruptive action driven by the socialist paymasters of the Labour Party.
[quote][p][bold]underwater[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lee3695[/bold] wrote: Where is my pay rise? I haven't had an pay increase for the last five years, nor have a great many other people I suspect, yet the Unions are crying their members aren't being paid enough. Who does think they are paid enough? Have council services improved? Instead we read about more cuts and Bolton Council voting to increase Council tax to compensate the council workers pension scheme. Now we read the same workers want a pay rise as well, all funded by the tax payer who is not getting an improved level of service but is getting increased costs and excuses. I don't begrudge anyone a pay rise, provided they have earned it and from what I see and experience, this lot haven't done that.[/p][/quote]I agree with every word you have said, these people are just parasites not happy enough with nice easy jobs plus an inflation proof pension and quite often early retirement as well.How do they think ex self emolyed people manage to live, they do not have all these perks. The unions have a lot to answer for, they are constantly stirring up unrest. Why can they not understand the country has not recovered from the mess Labour left us in yet. They must learn to live within there means.[/p][/quote]Spot on both if you. Plus the Tories just love this example of disruptive action driven by the socialist paymasters of the Labour Party. Thatissowrong
  • Score: -56

10:21am Mon 12 May 14

Sexybum123 says...

Here we go again the mess that labour left us in. We are in more debt now than when this lot come in fact and how is that with all the cuts we have had. And who is this so called debt to??. We have had no reel accounts to study only there words. The cost of living has gone through the roof yet the bankers get their pay outs the property developers are making a killing and any one else who is well off. Every time you here the word growth be very wary because it's growth for the wealthy few not us. There is a way to stop this and that is for country's to write of these debts but they won't do that because it's all about greed and we are just the pawns in this until they totally destroy this world and that will happen with how it's going
Here we go again the mess that labour left us in. We are in more debt now than when this lot come in fact and how is that with all the cuts we have had. And who is this so called debt to??. We have had no reel accounts to study only there words. The cost of living has gone through the roof yet the bankers get their pay outs the property developers are making a killing and any one else who is well off. Every time you here the word growth be very wary because it's growth for the wealthy few not us. There is a way to stop this and that is for country's to write of these debts but they won't do that because it's all about greed and we are just the pawns in this until they totally destroy this world and that will happen with how it's going Sexybum123
  • Score: 69

10:41am Mon 12 May 14

Jim271 says...

If they strike does that mean we get a rebate on our council tax????

A union going on a one day strike is like a turkey voting for Christmas.

Why not threaten to support UKIP instead. That's what us normal people are going to do if the council keep treating working people as a piggy bank.

It will also confuse UKIP big style and make thing very interesting, the Labour Party don't need Union support anymore they have the banks.
If they strike does that mean we get a rebate on our council tax???? A union going on a one day strike is like a turkey voting for Christmas. Why not threaten to support UKIP instead. That's what us normal people are going to do if the council keep treating working people as a piggy bank. It will also confuse UKIP big style and make thing very interesting, the Labour Party don't need Union support anymore they have the banks. Jim271
  • Score: -55

10:43am Mon 12 May 14

fay clarke says...

If the staff are not happy then nobody is stopping them looking elsewhere. Give their jobs to people who want to work. They should think themselves lucky to be in work.
If the staff are not happy then nobody is stopping them looking elsewhere. Give their jobs to people who want to work. They should think themselves lucky to be in work. fay clarke
  • Score: -49

12:24pm Mon 12 May 14

Lee3695 says...

Lee3695 wrote:
Where is my pay rise? I haven't had an pay increase for the last five years, nor have a great many other people I suspect, yet the Unions are crying their members aren't being paid enough. Who does think they are paid enough? Have council services improved? Instead we read about more cuts and Bolton Council voting to increase Council tax to compensate the council workers pension scheme. Now we read the same workers want a pay rise as well, all funded by the tax payer who is not getting an improved level of service but is getting increased costs and excuses. I don't begrudge anyone a pay rise, provided they have earned it and from what I see and experience, this lot haven't done that.
Crome 1 a council worker I guess. I'm 41 not 19. What has age got to do with the argument?
[quote][p][bold]Lee3695[/bold] wrote: Where is my pay rise? I haven't had an pay increase for the last five years, nor have a great many other people I suspect, yet the Unions are crying their members aren't being paid enough. Who does think they are paid enough? Have council services improved? Instead we read about more cuts and Bolton Council voting to increase Council tax to compensate the council workers pension scheme. Now we read the same workers want a pay rise as well, all funded by the tax payer who is not getting an improved level of service but is getting increased costs and excuses. I don't begrudge anyone a pay rise, provided they have earned it and from what I see and experience, this lot haven't done that.[/p][/quote]Crome 1 a council worker I guess. I'm 41 not 19. What has age got to do with the argument? Lee3695
  • Score: -16

12:27pm Mon 12 May 14

Lee3695 says...

I notice the comments with the most negative votes are the ones not in sympathy with the Union. If I were being cynical I might suspect a significant number of the negative voters are council workers. Expecting more negative votes now.
I notice the comments with the most negative votes are the ones not in sympathy with the Union. If I were being cynical I might suspect a significant number of the negative voters are council workers. Expecting more negative votes now. Lee3695
  • Score: -10

12:52pm Mon 12 May 14

JustBecause says...

Lee3695 wrote:
Where is my pay rise? I haven't had an pay increase for the last five years, nor have a great many other people I suspect, yet the Unions are crying their members aren't being paid enough. Who does think they are paid enough? Have council services improved? Instead we read about more cuts and Bolton Council voting to increase Council tax to compensate the council workers pension scheme. Now we read the same workers want a pay rise as well, all funded by the tax payer who is not getting an improved level of service but is getting increased costs and excuses. I don't begrudge anyone a pay rise, provided they have earned it and from what I see and experience, this lot haven't done that.
why all the negatives, this is spot on, and don't forget, if your not happy FIND ANOTHER JOB.
[quote][p][bold]Lee3695[/bold] wrote: Where is my pay rise? I haven't had an pay increase for the last five years, nor have a great many other people I suspect, yet the Unions are crying their members aren't being paid enough. Who does think they are paid enough? Have council services improved? Instead we read about more cuts and Bolton Council voting to increase Council tax to compensate the council workers pension scheme. Now we read the same workers want a pay rise as well, all funded by the tax payer who is not getting an improved level of service but is getting increased costs and excuses. I don't begrudge anyone a pay rise, provided they have earned it and from what I see and experience, this lot haven't done that.[/p][/quote]why all the negatives, this is spot on, and don't forget, if your not happy FIND ANOTHER JOB. JustBecause
  • Score: -4

12:52pm Mon 12 May 14

Percy Thrower says...

I suggest that they strike at least one day every week for the next 12 months.
The money saved from not paying them any wages for these strikes would benefit us all
I suggest that they strike at least one day every week for the next 12 months. The money saved from not paying them any wages for these strikes would benefit us all Percy Thrower
  • Score: -8

12:52pm Mon 12 May 14

piszoff says...

Welcome to the real world.
Welcome to the real world. piszoff
  • Score: -10

12:54pm Mon 12 May 14

JustBecause says...

when I say negatives, I mean thumbs downs...
when I say negatives, I mean thumbs downs... JustBecause
  • Score: -16

12:57pm Mon 12 May 14

Jacob C says...

Lee3695 wrote:
I notice the comments with the most negative votes are the ones not in sympathy with the Union. If I were being cynical I might suspect a significant number of the negative voters are council workers. Expecting more negative votes now.
I am not a council worker and I agree with the Union

MP's got 11% rise , bankers got their bonuses. we are clearly not all in this together
it is not council workers fault that you have not had a rise for the past five years Lee
[quote][p][bold]Lee3695[/bold] wrote: I notice the comments with the most negative votes are the ones not in sympathy with the Union. If I were being cynical I might suspect a significant number of the negative voters are council workers. Expecting more negative votes now.[/p][/quote]I am not a council worker and I agree with the Union MP's got 11% rise , bankers got their bonuses. we are clearly not all in this together it is not council workers fault that you have not had a rise for the past five years Lee Jacob C
  • Score: 24

1:29pm Mon 12 May 14

cliff4treasurer says...

So become an MP or Banker? Pretty simple really!!!
So become an MP or Banker? Pretty simple really!!! cliff4treasurer
  • Score: -12

1:45pm Mon 12 May 14

Endoxa says...

I can't believe the shortsightedness of some of these comments - "I've not had a pay rise so neither should you". Well you all carry on being victims and race to the bottom of the pile whilst those in power continue to dump all over you. The private sector is hardly the shining example of how to look after people - zero hour contracts, poor if any pensions, etc. Better still, why not scrap the minimum wage and bring back workhouses. After all, we've already got the soup kitchen! It's about time that people said " enough is enough".
I can't believe the shortsightedness of some of these comments - "I've not had a pay rise so neither should you". Well you all carry on being victims and race to the bottom of the pile whilst those in power continue to dump all over you. The private sector is hardly the shining example of how to look after people - zero hour contracts, poor if any pensions, etc. Better still, why not scrap the minimum wage and bring back workhouses. After all, we've already got the soup kitchen! It's about time that people said " enough is enough". Endoxa
  • Score: 24

1:53pm Mon 12 May 14

Jim271 says...

Endoxa wrote:
I can't believe the shortsightedness of some of these comments - "I've not had a pay rise so neither should you". Well you all carry on being victims and race to the bottom of the pile whilst those in power continue to dump all over you. The private sector is hardly the shining example of how to look after people - zero hour contracts, poor if any pensions, etc. Better still, why not scrap the minimum wage and bring back workhouses. After all, we've already got the soup kitchen! It's about time that people said " enough is enough".
I agree,

How do we do that then?

1. Protest - Police can now use Plastic Bullets.
2.Strike - Not many people can afford that.
3. Get another job - Where?
4. Re-educate yourself - £9000 a year fees.

5. Vote Labour - Don't care (One Nation, another Nation in Europe we mean)
6. Vote Tory - (In this together, but some are in it more than others)
7. Vote Lib Dem - (sold our soul to the tories)
8. Vote UKIP - (Scraping the barrel).

Suggestions are welcome
[quote][p][bold]Endoxa[/bold] wrote: I can't believe the shortsightedness of some of these comments - "I've not had a pay rise so neither should you". Well you all carry on being victims and race to the bottom of the pile whilst those in power continue to dump all over you. The private sector is hardly the shining example of how to look after people - zero hour contracts, poor if any pensions, etc. Better still, why not scrap the minimum wage and bring back workhouses. After all, we've already got the soup kitchen! It's about time that people said " enough is enough".[/p][/quote]I agree, How do we do that then? 1. Protest - Police can now use Plastic Bullets. 2.Strike - Not many people can afford that. 3. Get another job - Where? 4. Re-educate yourself - £9000 a year fees. 5. Vote Labour - Don't care (One Nation, another Nation in Europe we mean) 6. Vote Tory - (In this together, but some are in it more than others) 7. Vote Lib Dem - (sold our soul to the tories) 8. Vote UKIP - (Scraping the barrel). Suggestions are welcome Jim271
  • Score: -12

2:21pm Mon 12 May 14

Percy Thrower says...

Jim271 wrote:
Endoxa wrote:
I can't believe the shortsightedness of some of these comments - "I've not had a pay rise so neither should you". Well you all carry on being victims and race to the bottom of the pile whilst those in power continue to dump all over you. The private sector is hardly the shining example of how to look after people - zero hour contracts, poor if any pensions, etc. Better still, why not scrap the minimum wage and bring back workhouses. After all, we've already got the soup kitchen! It's about time that people said " enough is enough".
I agree,

How do we do that then?

1. Protest - Police can now use Plastic Bullets.
2.Strike - Not many people can afford that.
3. Get another job - Where?
4. Re-educate yourself - £9000 a year fees.

5. Vote Labour - Don't care (One Nation, another Nation in Europe we mean)
6. Vote Tory - (In this together, but some are in it more than others)
7. Vote Lib Dem - (sold our soul to the tories)
8. Vote UKIP - (Scraping the barrel).

Suggestions are welcome
Revolution?
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Endoxa[/bold] wrote: I can't believe the shortsightedness of some of these comments - "I've not had a pay rise so neither should you". Well you all carry on being victims and race to the bottom of the pile whilst those in power continue to dump all over you. The private sector is hardly the shining example of how to look after people - zero hour contracts, poor if any pensions, etc. Better still, why not scrap the minimum wage and bring back workhouses. After all, we've already got the soup kitchen! It's about time that people said " enough is enough".[/p][/quote]I agree, How do we do that then? 1. Protest - Police can now use Plastic Bullets. 2.Strike - Not many people can afford that. 3. Get another job - Where? 4. Re-educate yourself - £9000 a year fees. 5. Vote Labour - Don't care (One Nation, another Nation in Europe we mean) 6. Vote Tory - (In this together, but some are in it more than others) 7. Vote Lib Dem - (sold our soul to the tories) 8. Vote UKIP - (Scraping the barrel). Suggestions are welcome[/p][/quote]Revolution? Percy Thrower
  • Score: -10

3:04pm Mon 12 May 14

The Righteous One says...

Jim,

The £9,000 a year only kicks in AFTER you have finished your education and then you only start paying it back after:
1. You reach the wage level of over approx. £23,000 a year and is deducted straight from source each month (as income tax); or
2. After 5 years of being employed and still earning below approx. £23,000!

Otherwise there is nothing upfront and is paid monthly at a level that you can pay back at, once you do start paying it back!

Therefore education IS an option!
Jim, The £9,000 a year only kicks in AFTER you have finished your education and then you only start paying it back after: 1. You reach the wage level of over approx. £23,000 a year and is deducted straight from source each month (as income tax); or 2. After 5 years of being employed and still earning below approx. £23,000! Otherwise there is nothing upfront and is paid monthly at a level that you can pay back at, once you do start paying it back! Therefore education IS an option! The Righteous One
  • Score: 10

3:12pm Mon 12 May 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Lee3695 wrote:
I notice the comments with the most negative votes are the ones not in sympathy with the Union. If I were being cynical I might suspect a significant number of the negative voters are council workers. Expecting more negative votes now.
Absolutely this INB4.

Funny how they do not like the truth... the truth hurts. I wonder when they will find time to do the job they are 'paid well' already for with all these thumbs down coming in.

Don't sit at home hanging onto your voting cards folks... make your vote count if you wish to get your town back.
[quote][p][bold]Lee3695[/bold] wrote: I notice the comments with the most negative votes are the ones not in sympathy with the Union. If I were being cynical I might suspect a significant number of the negative voters are council workers. Expecting more negative votes now.[/p][/quote]Absolutely this INB4. Funny how they do not like the truth... the truth hurts. I wonder when they will find time to do the job they are 'paid well' already for with all these thumbs down coming in. Don't sit at home hanging onto your voting cards folks... make your vote count if you wish to get your town back. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: -7

3:20pm Mon 12 May 14

Jim271 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Jim,

The £9,000 a year only kicks in AFTER you have finished your education and then you only start paying it back after:
1. You reach the wage level of over approx. £23,000 a year and is deducted straight from source each month (as income tax); or
2. After 5 years of being employed and still earning below approx. £23,000!

Otherwise there is nothing upfront and is paid monthly at a level that you can pay back at, once you do start paying it back!

Therefore education IS an option!
lol, oh how wrong you are,

You have to APPLY for the loans and theres no guarantee you wil get it (personal experience)

Still defending your mates in the Labour Party I see, the ones that introduced the tuition fees, even Thatcher realised how important education was.

Labour will pull up the ladder that you helped us climb.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Jim, The £9,000 a year only kicks in AFTER you have finished your education and then you only start paying it back after: 1. You reach the wage level of over approx. £23,000 a year and is deducted straight from source each month (as income tax); or 2. After 5 years of being employed and still earning below approx. £23,000! Otherwise there is nothing upfront and is paid monthly at a level that you can pay back at, once you do start paying it back! Therefore education IS an option![/p][/quote]lol, oh how wrong you are, You have to APPLY for the loans and theres no guarantee you wil get it (personal experience) Still defending your mates in the Labour Party I see, the ones that introduced the tuition fees, even Thatcher realised how important education was. Labour will pull up the ladder that you helped us climb. Jim271
  • Score: -10

3:33pm Mon 12 May 14

Jim271 says...

I suggest you Council People giving the thumbs down go and do some of the work people like me are paying you to do. LAZY LAZY LAZY!!!!!

Plenty of people ready to take your jobs thanks to Labour (your so called mates)
I suggest you Council People giving the thumbs down go and do some of the work people like me are paying you to do. LAZY LAZY LAZY!!!!! Plenty of people ready to take your jobs thanks to Labour (your so called mates) Jim271
  • Score: -7

3:43pm Mon 12 May 14

Jim271 says...

Dear Union Members.

Money does not grow on trees.

Signed

Bolton Council Tax Payers
Dear Union Members. Money does not grow on trees. Signed Bolton Council Tax Payers Jim271
  • Score: -2

3:52pm Mon 12 May 14

itsnotthatbad says...

Jim271 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Jim,

The £9,000 a year only kicks in AFTER you have finished your education and then you only start paying it back after:
1. You reach the wage level of over approx. £23,000 a year and is deducted straight from source each month (as income tax); or
2. After 5 years of being employed and still earning below approx. £23,000!

Otherwise there is nothing upfront and is paid monthly at a level that you can pay back at, once you do start paying it back!

Therefore education IS an option!
lol, oh how wrong you are,

You have to APPLY for the loans and theres no guarantee you wil get it (personal experience)

Still defending your mates in the Labour Party I see, the ones that introduced the tuition fees, even Thatcher realised how important education was.

Labour will pull up the ladder that you helped us climb.
dont forget tho, tro is rich beyond his wildest dreams and owns several cafe's and lives a jet set lifestyle of non stop partying and women at their feet,so a minimum wage is nothing to them...
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Jim, The £9,000 a year only kicks in AFTER you have finished your education and then you only start paying it back after: 1. You reach the wage level of over approx. £23,000 a year and is deducted straight from source each month (as income tax); or 2. After 5 years of being employed and still earning below approx. £23,000! Otherwise there is nothing upfront and is paid monthly at a level that you can pay back at, once you do start paying it back! Therefore education IS an option![/p][/quote]lol, oh how wrong you are, You have to APPLY for the loans and theres no guarantee you wil get it (personal experience) Still defending your mates in the Labour Party I see, the ones that introduced the tuition fees, even Thatcher realised how important education was. Labour will pull up the ladder that you helped us climb.[/p][/quote]dont forget tho, tro is rich beyond his wildest dreams and owns several cafe's and lives a jet set lifestyle of non stop partying and women at their feet,so a minimum wage is nothing to them... itsnotthatbad
  • Score: -10

4:00pm Mon 12 May 14

The Righteous One says...

Jim271 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Jim,

The £9,000 a year only kicks in AFTER you have finished your education and then you only start paying it back after:
1. You reach the wage level of over approx. £23,000 a year and is deducted straight from source each month (as income tax); or
2. After 5 years of being employed and still earning below approx. £23,000!

Otherwise there is nothing upfront and is paid monthly at a level that you can pay back at, once you do start paying it back!

Therefore education IS an option!
lol, oh how wrong you are,

You have to APPLY for the loans and theres no guarantee you wil get it (personal experience)

Still defending your mates in the Labour Party I see, the ones that introduced the tuition fees, even Thatcher realised how important education was.

Labour will pull up the ladder that you helped us climb.
Err actually the Student Loans was introduced by John Major's Government (i.e The Conservatives), how do I know, because they were introduced before I went to University and had to have a couple of loans to see me through.

As it is, the Tuition fees are NOT the Student Loans. They are two different things. The tuition fees are payable AFTER you have studied and are taken directly from your wage, and I know of no one that has been turned don for the tuition fees!

Whereas the student loans, you are right in saying that people can be turned down, and that is based upon personal income and income of ones family (being partner and children or parents depending upon age and circumstances).

You keeps thinking I am Labour
Thomas222 keeps thinking I am a Tory
Luckily no one has suggested that I am in league with the LibDems

But at least it shows my neutrality towards any/all parties is perfect!


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As for the Unions and Council staff probably loking aat strike action - good for them. At least they have the balls to do something which you and some others on this thread do not have. Fight for a fair pay for the work they do, instead of just sitting back and accepting the garbage that comes from above. You are the perfect examples of Thatcher's vision for this country!!!

No pay rises for workers except for the bosses who have had over the odds pay rises since the start of the recession. Money instead being diverted to cutting costs, losing jobs and paying massive dividends to shareholders just because they own a few shares and company bosses would rather keep them happy instead of their workers!!!

Bankers destroy the world economy and yet still receive world beating bonuses and annual pay-rises, whilst the banks tat did most of the trouble are bailed out by tax-payers and then the shares sold cheap on the stock exchange!

And lets not forget the MP's who received an 11% pay rise and are set to gain another 10+% pay rise next year, whilst the common person will receive between 0% and 3% pay rise!!!

So, again, I say good luck to them, at least they are fighting fat-cat rich people who are keeping them under and ultimately pushing them into money problems (due to the fact that cost of living is rising on a monthly basis).

And before you, or anyone start about their pensions, everyone now has a "workplace" pension in which the employer contributes, as well as the employee. So that I now a level playing field!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Jim, The £9,000 a year only kicks in AFTER you have finished your education and then you only start paying it back after: 1. You reach the wage level of over approx. £23,000 a year and is deducted straight from source each month (as income tax); or 2. After 5 years of being employed and still earning below approx. £23,000! Otherwise there is nothing upfront and is paid monthly at a level that you can pay back at, once you do start paying it back! Therefore education IS an option![/p][/quote]lol, oh how wrong you are, You have to APPLY for the loans and theres no guarantee you wil get it (personal experience) Still defending your mates in the Labour Party I see, the ones that introduced the tuition fees, even Thatcher realised how important education was. Labour will pull up the ladder that you helped us climb.[/p][/quote]Err actually the Student Loans was introduced by John Major's Government (i.e The Conservatives), how do I know, because they were introduced before I went to University and had to have a couple of loans to see me through. As it is, the Tuition fees are NOT the Student Loans. They are two different things. The tuition fees are payable AFTER you have studied and are taken directly from your wage, and I know of no one that has been turned don for the tuition fees! Whereas the student loans, you are right in saying that people can be turned down, and that is based upon personal income and income of ones family (being partner and children or parents depending upon age and circumstances). You keeps thinking I am Labour Thomas222 keeps thinking I am a Tory Luckily no one has suggested that I am in league with the LibDems But at least it shows my neutrality towards any/all parties is perfect! =------------------- -------------------- -------------------- -------------------- -------------= As for the Unions and Council staff probably loking aat strike action - good for them. At least they have the balls to do something which you and some others on this thread do not have. Fight for a fair pay for the work they do, instead of just sitting back and accepting the garbage that comes from above. You are the perfect examples of Thatcher's vision for this country!!! No pay rises for workers except for the bosses who have had over the odds pay rises since the start of the recession. Money instead being diverted to cutting costs, losing jobs and paying massive dividends to shareholders just because they own a few shares and company bosses would rather keep them happy instead of their workers!!! Bankers destroy the world economy and yet still receive world beating bonuses and annual pay-rises, whilst the banks tat did most of the trouble are bailed out by tax-payers and then the shares sold cheap on the stock exchange! And lets not forget the MP's who received an 11% pay rise and are set to gain another 10+% pay rise next year, whilst the common person will receive between 0% and 3% pay rise!!! So, again, I say good luck to them, at least they are fighting fat-cat rich people who are keeping them under and ultimately pushing them into money problems (due to the fact that cost of living is rising on a monthly basis). And before you, or anyone start about their pensions, everyone now has a "workplace" pension in which the employer contributes, as well as the employee. So that I now a level playing field!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: 15

4:06pm Mon 12 May 14

breightmet kid says...

All local council workers, no matter which council they work for or the job they do, get good pay and conditions with a generous pension with lump sum upon retirement. Percentage rises give those earning most the biggest pay rise and there is a huge difference in any rise using this method.

Will I be able to reclaim 1/365th of Council Tax for every days strike?

May I also say that union officials employed by all councils are paid their normal salaries/wages by us the council tax payers whilst they conduct their union duties and this includes inducing staff to strike.

YUet no one does anything to change this. Why not?
All local council workers, no matter which council they work for or the job they do, get good pay and conditions with a generous pension with lump sum upon retirement. Percentage rises give those earning most the biggest pay rise and there is a huge difference in any rise using this method. Will I be able to reclaim 1/365th of Council Tax for every days strike? May I also say that union officials employed by all councils are paid their normal salaries/wages by us the council tax payers whilst they conduct their union duties and this includes inducing staff to strike. YUet no one does anything to change this. Why not? breightmet kid
  • Score: -8

4:07pm Mon 12 May 14

Jim271 says...

Why do people keep blaming the Bankers for all the worlds problems?

If you lend you next door neighbour £10 and he doesn't pay you back is it your fault for lending it him.

Its not very far from "its the Bankers Fault" to
"Its a banking Conspiracy" to
"Its a jewish new world order conspiracy"

And you know where that leads too.

Theres no great Free Mason plot out there controlling the world like on The Simpsons, it just sells lots of very average Dan Brown books (Deception point was quite good however.)
Why do people keep blaming the Bankers for all the worlds problems? If you lend you next door neighbour £10 and he doesn't pay you back is it your fault for lending it him. Its not very far from "its the Bankers Fault" to "Its a banking Conspiracy" to "Its a jewish new world order conspiracy" And you know where that leads too. Theres no great Free Mason plot out there controlling the world like on The Simpsons, it just sells lots of very average Dan Brown books (Deception point was quite good however.) Jim271
  • Score: -11

4:08pm Mon 12 May 14

The Righteous One says...

itsnotthatbad wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Jim,

The £9,000 a year only kicks in AFTER you have finished your education and then you only start paying it back after:
1. You reach the wage level of over approx. £23,000 a year and is deducted straight from source each month (as income tax); or
2. After 5 years of being employed and still earning below approx. £23,000!

Otherwise there is nothing upfront and is paid monthly at a level that you can pay back at, once you do start paying it back!

Therefore education IS an option!
lol, oh how wrong you are,

You have to APPLY for the loans and theres no guarantee you wil get it (personal experience)

Still defending your mates in the Labour Party I see, the ones that introduced the tuition fees, even Thatcher realised how important education was.

Labour will pull up the ladder that you helped us climb.
dont forget tho, tro is rich beyond his wildest dreams and owns several cafe's and lives a jet set lifestyle of non stop partying and women at their feet,so a minimum wage is nothing to them...
Almost true.

I work because it makes ends meet and to make sure I Have a good place to live and that my family can live without the need of hat I had to put up whilst growing up!

I have my on company which is in its infancy in The Netherlands.

I also have 10% share in a holding company which has 5 café/bars in Amsterdam but the income from that minimal!

Jetset lifestyle - I don't travel 1st class, and infact I like travelling by train and coach to Amsterdam to catch up on my investments.

Partying - I wish I had the time, since I work 6 days a week and on the 7th I catch up with form filling! Tax Forms for UK and NL and other red-tape stuff!

Women at my feet - that is a laugh, even if they were I wouldn't be interested as I have a partner, and she is the best with her own career and we are happy as we are!

Minimum wage - I live don that through university and for some years afterwards so I know what it is like and I do appreciate people trying to live on it, but I also know that those on minimum wage can also have back-up of working tax credits that help ease their pain of shifting pennies around!

So you can call, me all you like, Boltonchap (oops I mean itsnotthtabad - btw do the BN editorial team know you have overcome you ban and re-registered), but I have been there and experienced the good, bad and the ugly!!!
[quote][p][bold]itsnotthatbad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Jim, The £9,000 a year only kicks in AFTER you have finished your education and then you only start paying it back after: 1. You reach the wage level of over approx. £23,000 a year and is deducted straight from source each month (as income tax); or 2. After 5 years of being employed and still earning below approx. £23,000! Otherwise there is nothing upfront and is paid monthly at a level that you can pay back at, once you do start paying it back! Therefore education IS an option![/p][/quote]lol, oh how wrong you are, You have to APPLY for the loans and theres no guarantee you wil get it (personal experience) Still defending your mates in the Labour Party I see, the ones that introduced the tuition fees, even Thatcher realised how important education was. Labour will pull up the ladder that you helped us climb.[/p][/quote]dont forget tho, tro is rich beyond his wildest dreams and owns several cafe's and lives a jet set lifestyle of non stop partying and women at their feet,so a minimum wage is nothing to them...[/p][/quote]Almost true. I work because it makes ends meet and to make sure I Have a good place to live and that my family can live without the need of hat I had to put up whilst growing up! I have my on company which is in its infancy in The Netherlands. I also have 10% share in a holding company which has 5 café/bars in Amsterdam but the income from that minimal! Jetset lifestyle - I don't travel 1st class, and infact I like travelling by train and coach to Amsterdam to catch up on my investments. Partying - I wish I had the time, since I work 6 days a week and on the 7th I catch up with form filling! Tax Forms for UK and NL and other red-tape stuff! Women at my feet - that is a laugh, even if they were I wouldn't be interested as I have a partner, and she is the best with her own career and we are happy as we are! Minimum wage - I live don that through university and for some years afterwards so I know what it is like and I do appreciate people trying to live on it, but I also know that those on minimum wage can also have back-up of working tax credits that help ease their pain of shifting pennies around! So you can call, me all you like, Boltonchap (oops I mean itsnotthtabad - btw do the BN editorial team know you have overcome you ban and re-registered), but I have been there and experienced the good, bad and the ugly!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: 11

4:16pm Mon 12 May 14

The Righteous One says...

Jim271 wrote:
Why do people keep blaming the Bankers for all the worlds problems?

If you lend you next door neighbour £10 and he doesn't pay you back is it your fault for lending it him.

Its not very far from "its the Bankers Fault" to
"Its a banking Conspiracy" to
"Its a jewish new world order conspiracy"

And you know where that leads too.

Theres no great Free Mason plot out there controlling the world like on The Simpsons, it just sells lots of very average Dan Brown books (Deception point was quite good however.)
Because the Bankers were using people's savings as investment funds, and overseas investments such as sub-prime mortgages, and using the savings to gamble of the money markets and the foreign exchange.

where do you think the Banks got their money from to do all their business???? You give them a tenner and they wlll use that tenner as investment fund to, hopefully, increase it from a £10 to £100 in a short time so they can repay what they have used, with interest and give themselves a neat profit which would go towards the Bankers bonuses and dividends for their shareholders!!!!

Now if you cannot see the gambling that the Bankers they did - a good film to see in some f their gambling The Wolf on Wall Street which is actually a factual-based film! then look at RBS buying ABNAmro without actually looking at their books (and ABN was full of debt of which it couldn't pay back even at that time - just before the world crash) and then all the sub-prime mortgages - giving mortgages to people who effectively could not pay it back so they go to the bank requesting loans to help pay for the mortgage and continue the ever decreasing circle. Or even watch the various documentaries about Lehman Brothers and how that bank crashed out of existence!!!

Worst thing is, nothing has changed and the cycle has begin again, thus we will end up with the same type of recession, or even worse, in about 15 years time!!!
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Why do people keep blaming the Bankers for all the worlds problems? If you lend you next door neighbour £10 and he doesn't pay you back is it your fault for lending it him. Its not very far from "its the Bankers Fault" to "Its a banking Conspiracy" to "Its a jewish new world order conspiracy" And you know where that leads too. Theres no great Free Mason plot out there controlling the world like on The Simpsons, it just sells lots of very average Dan Brown books (Deception point was quite good however.)[/p][/quote]Because the Bankers were using people's savings as investment funds, and overseas investments such as sub-prime mortgages, and using the savings to gamble of the money markets and the foreign exchange. where do you think the Banks got their money from to do all their business???? You give them a tenner and they wlll use that tenner as investment fund to, hopefully, increase it from a £10 to £100 in a short time so they can repay what they have used, with interest and give themselves a neat profit which would go towards the Bankers bonuses and dividends for their shareholders!!!! Now if you cannot see the gambling that the Bankers they did - a good film to see in some f their gambling The Wolf on Wall Street which is actually a factual-based film! then look at RBS buying ABNAmro without actually looking at their books (and ABN was full of debt of which it couldn't pay back even at that time - just before the world crash) and then all the sub-prime mortgages - giving mortgages to people who effectively could not pay it back so they go to the bank requesting loans to help pay for the mortgage and continue the ever decreasing circle. Or even watch the various documentaries about Lehman Brothers and how that bank crashed out of existence!!! Worst thing is, nothing has changed and the cycle has begin again, thus we will end up with the same type of recession, or even worse, in about 15 years time!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: 8

4:22pm Mon 12 May 14

The Righteous One says...

breightmet kid wrote:
All local council workers, no matter which council they work for or the job they do, get good pay and conditions with a generous pension with lump sum upon retirement. Percentage rises give those earning most the biggest pay rise and there is a huge difference in any rise using this method.

Will I be able to reclaim 1/365th of Council Tax for every days strike?

May I also say that union officials employed by all councils are paid their normal salaries/wages by us the council tax payers whilst they conduct their union duties and this includes inducing staff to strike.

YUet no one does anything to change this. Why not?
Just like union leaders in private companies are paid for by the company to conduct the union work - but the company doesn't claw back the money!!!!!

Pensions - everyone gets a lump sum when they retire, or they can say they don't want it and re-invest t so they can get a better monthly pension pay!

Not heard of "Workplace" pensions which EVERY company has to give to its employees in which the employee pays some and then employer pays a larger sum towards it! Exactly same as what all councils workers have!!!!

If you go on strike, can I reclaim 1/365th of what you earn back? What a stupid comment. When the rail workers do on strike, do you get a rebate (and they are not council/public workers). When the bus drivers go on strike do you get a rebate (and they are not council/public workers). So why do you expect a rebate when council staff go on strike.

You are the typical Thatcherite - selfish, greedy, and doesn't like anyone who stand up for their rights!!!
[quote][p][bold]breightmet kid[/bold] wrote: All local council workers, no matter which council they work for or the job they do, get good pay and conditions with a generous pension with lump sum upon retirement. Percentage rises give those earning most the biggest pay rise and there is a huge difference in any rise using this method. Will I be able to reclaim 1/365th of Council Tax for every days strike? May I also say that union officials employed by all councils are paid their normal salaries/wages by us the council tax payers whilst they conduct their union duties and this includes inducing staff to strike. YUet no one does anything to change this. Why not?[/p][/quote]Just like union leaders in private companies are paid for by the company to conduct the union work - but the company doesn't claw back the money!!!!! Pensions - everyone gets a lump sum when they retire, or they can say they don't want it and re-invest t so they can get a better monthly pension pay! Not heard of "Workplace" pensions which EVERY company has to give to its employees in which the employee pays some and then employer pays a larger sum towards it! Exactly same as what all councils workers have!!!! If you go on strike, can I reclaim 1/365th of what you earn back? What a stupid comment. When the rail workers do on strike, do you get a rebate (and they are not council/public workers). When the bus drivers go on strike do you get a rebate (and they are not council/public workers). So why do you expect a rebate when council staff go on strike. You are the typical Thatcherite - selfish, greedy, and doesn't like anyone who stand up for their rights!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: 6

4:37pm Mon 12 May 14

itsnotthatbad says...

The Righteous One wrote:
itsnotthatbad wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Jim,

The £9,000 a year only kicks in AFTER you have finished your education and then you only start paying it back after:
1. You reach the wage level of over approx. £23,000 a year and is deducted straight from source each month (as income tax); or
2. After 5 years of being employed and still earning below approx. £23,000!

Otherwise there is nothing upfront and is paid monthly at a level that you can pay back at, once you do start paying it back!

Therefore education IS an option!
lol, oh how wrong you are,

You have to APPLY for the loans and theres no guarantee you wil get it (personal experience)

Still defending your mates in the Labour Party I see, the ones that introduced the tuition fees, even Thatcher realised how important education was.

Labour will pull up the ladder that you helped us climb.
dont forget tho, tro is rich beyond his wildest dreams and owns several cafe's and lives a jet set lifestyle of non stop partying and women at their feet,so a minimum wage is nothing to them...
Almost true.

I work because it makes ends meet and to make sure I Have a good place to live and that my family can live without the need of hat I had to put up whilst growing up!

I have my on company which is in its infancy in The Netherlands.

I also have 10% share in a holding company which has 5 café/bars in Amsterdam but the income from that minimal!

Jetset lifestyle - I don't travel 1st class, and infact I like travelling by train and coach to Amsterdam to catch up on my investments.

Partying - I wish I had the time, since I work 6 days a week and on the 7th I catch up with form filling! Tax Forms for UK and NL and other red-tape stuff!

Women at my feet - that is a laugh, even if they were I wouldn't be interested as I have a partner, and she is the best with her own career and we are happy as we are!

Minimum wage - I live don that through university and for some years afterwards so I know what it is like and I do appreciate people trying to live on it, but I also know that those on minimum wage can also have back-up of working tax credits that help ease their pain of shifting pennies around!

So you can call, me all you like, Boltonchap (oops I mean itsnotthtabad - btw do the BN editorial team know you have overcome you ban and re-registered), but I have been there and experienced the good, bad and the ugly!!!
I must just sound like boltonchap, as this has been my first ever and only username for bolton news, which is why havent been removed, unlike yourself who uses multiple aliases... utter fantasist who must be a right pain in BN's side what with all the letters and tripe drivel you write week in week out while "in holland"...
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]itsnotthatbad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Jim, The £9,000 a year only kicks in AFTER you have finished your education and then you only start paying it back after: 1. You reach the wage level of over approx. £23,000 a year and is deducted straight from source each month (as income tax); or 2. After 5 years of being employed and still earning below approx. £23,000! Otherwise there is nothing upfront and is paid monthly at a level that you can pay back at, once you do start paying it back! Therefore education IS an option![/p][/quote]lol, oh how wrong you are, You have to APPLY for the loans and theres no guarantee you wil get it (personal experience) Still defending your mates in the Labour Party I see, the ones that introduced the tuition fees, even Thatcher realised how important education was. Labour will pull up the ladder that you helped us climb.[/p][/quote]dont forget tho, tro is rich beyond his wildest dreams and owns several cafe's and lives a jet set lifestyle of non stop partying and women at their feet,so a minimum wage is nothing to them...[/p][/quote]Almost true. I work because it makes ends meet and to make sure I Have a good place to live and that my family can live without the need of hat I had to put up whilst growing up! I have my on company which is in its infancy in The Netherlands. I also have 10% share in a holding company which has 5 café/bars in Amsterdam but the income from that minimal! Jetset lifestyle - I don't travel 1st class, and infact I like travelling by train and coach to Amsterdam to catch up on my investments. Partying - I wish I had the time, since I work 6 days a week and on the 7th I catch up with form filling! Tax Forms for UK and NL and other red-tape stuff! Women at my feet - that is a laugh, even if they were I wouldn't be interested as I have a partner, and she is the best with her own career and we are happy as we are! Minimum wage - I live don that through university and for some years afterwards so I know what it is like and I do appreciate people trying to live on it, but I also know that those on minimum wage can also have back-up of working tax credits that help ease their pain of shifting pennies around! So you can call, me all you like, Boltonchap (oops I mean itsnotthtabad - btw do the BN editorial team know you have overcome you ban and re-registered), but I have been there and experienced the good, bad and the ugly!!![/p][/quote]I must just sound like boltonchap, as this has been my first ever and only username for bolton news, which is why havent been removed, unlike yourself who uses multiple aliases... utter fantasist who must be a right pain in BN's side what with all the letters and tripe drivel you write week in week out while "in holland"... itsnotthatbad
  • Score: -13

4:45pm Mon 12 May 14

The Righteous One says...

itsnotthatbad wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
itsnotthatbad wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Jim,

The £9,000 a year only kicks in AFTER you have finished your education and then you only start paying it back after:
1. You reach the wage level of over approx. £23,000 a year and is deducted straight from source each month (as income tax); or
2. After 5 years of being employed and still earning below approx. £23,000!

Otherwise there is nothing upfront and is paid monthly at a level that you can pay back at, once you do start paying it back!

Therefore education IS an option!
lol, oh how wrong you are,

You have to APPLY for the loans and theres no guarantee you wil get it (personal experience)

Still defending your mates in the Labour Party I see, the ones that introduced the tuition fees, even Thatcher realised how important education was.

Labour will pull up the ladder that you helped us climb.
dont forget tho, tro is rich beyond his wildest dreams and owns several cafe's and lives a jet set lifestyle of non stop partying and women at their feet,so a minimum wage is nothing to them...
Almost true.

I work because it makes ends meet and to make sure I Have a good place to live and that my family can live without the need of hat I had to put up whilst growing up!

I have my on company which is in its infancy in The Netherlands.

I also have 10% share in a holding company which has 5 café/bars in Amsterdam but the income from that minimal!

Jetset lifestyle - I don't travel 1st class, and infact I like travelling by train and coach to Amsterdam to catch up on my investments.

Partying - I wish I had the time, since I work 6 days a week and on the 7th I catch up with form filling! Tax Forms for UK and NL and other red-tape stuff!

Women at my feet - that is a laugh, even if they were I wouldn't be interested as I have a partner, and she is the best with her own career and we are happy as we are!

Minimum wage - I live don that through university and for some years afterwards so I know what it is like and I do appreciate people trying to live on it, but I also know that those on minimum wage can also have back-up of working tax credits that help ease their pain of shifting pennies around!

So you can call, me all you like, Boltonchap (oops I mean itsnotthtabad - btw do the BN editorial team know you have overcome you ban and re-registered), but I have been there and experienced the good, bad and the ugly!!!
I must just sound like boltonchap, as this has been my first ever and only username for bolton news, which is why havent been removed, unlike yourself who uses multiple aliases... utter fantasist who must be a right pain in BN's side what with all the letters and tripe drivel you write week in week out while "in holland"...
If this is your first ever and only username with only about 5 or 6 posts with it, then you haven't been here that long and considering you are claiming that I am fantasist and multiple aliases - really does sound that you have been here before under a different username. As this username of mine has been in use since this time last year, and only been in use as long, and longer, than what you have been here, unless, of course, you had a previous username, then you would have known about the argument that cause the banning of 8 users for bullying and breaking the sites rules and regulations!

Therefore you have given yourself away, and I know for a fact that you were Boltonchap!

Oh, and as a matter of fact only boltonchap types "in holland" like that!! Even I never say in Holland, a I gives it its correct name of The Netherlands, as Holland doesn't exist, not even as a province!!!
[quote][p][bold]itsnotthatbad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]itsnotthatbad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Jim, The £9,000 a year only kicks in AFTER you have finished your education and then you only start paying it back after: 1. You reach the wage level of over approx. £23,000 a year and is deducted straight from source each month (as income tax); or 2. After 5 years of being employed and still earning below approx. £23,000! Otherwise there is nothing upfront and is paid monthly at a level that you can pay back at, once you do start paying it back! Therefore education IS an option![/p][/quote]lol, oh how wrong you are, You have to APPLY for the loans and theres no guarantee you wil get it (personal experience) Still defending your mates in the Labour Party I see, the ones that introduced the tuition fees, even Thatcher realised how important education was. Labour will pull up the ladder that you helped us climb.[/p][/quote]dont forget tho, tro is rich beyond his wildest dreams and owns several cafe's and lives a jet set lifestyle of non stop partying and women at their feet,so a minimum wage is nothing to them...[/p][/quote]Almost true. I work because it makes ends meet and to make sure I Have a good place to live and that my family can live without the need of hat I had to put up whilst growing up! I have my on company which is in its infancy in The Netherlands. I also have 10% share in a holding company which has 5 café/bars in Amsterdam but the income from that minimal! Jetset lifestyle - I don't travel 1st class, and infact I like travelling by train and coach to Amsterdam to catch up on my investments. Partying - I wish I had the time, since I work 6 days a week and on the 7th I catch up with form filling! Tax Forms for UK and NL and other red-tape stuff! Women at my feet - that is a laugh, even if they were I wouldn't be interested as I have a partner, and she is the best with her own career and we are happy as we are! Minimum wage - I live don that through university and for some years afterwards so I know what it is like and I do appreciate people trying to live on it, but I also know that those on minimum wage can also have back-up of working tax credits that help ease their pain of shifting pennies around! So you can call, me all you like, Boltonchap (oops I mean itsnotthtabad - btw do the BN editorial team know you have overcome you ban and re-registered), but I have been there and experienced the good, bad and the ugly!!![/p][/quote]I must just sound like boltonchap, as this has been my first ever and only username for bolton news, which is why havent been removed, unlike yourself who uses multiple aliases... utter fantasist who must be a right pain in BN's side what with all the letters and tripe drivel you write week in week out while "in holland"...[/p][/quote]If this is your first ever and only username with only about 5 or 6 posts with it, then you haven't been here that long and considering you are claiming that I am fantasist and multiple aliases - really does sound that you have been here before under a different username. As this username of mine has been in use since this time last year, and only been in use as long, and longer, than what you have been here, unless, of course, you had a previous username, then you would have known about the argument that cause the banning of 8 users for bullying and breaking the sites rules and regulations! Therefore you have given yourself away, and I know for a fact that you were Boltonchap! Oh, and as a matter of fact only boltonchap types "in holland" like that!! Even I never say in Holland, a I gives it its correct name of The Netherlands, as Holland doesn't exist, not even as a province!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -5

4:45pm Mon 12 May 14

JustBecause says...

Sick to death of hearing your voice TRO I thought you had left when you were outed, I skim past every bit of drivel you write. Seriously, get a life, no one give a toss about your make believe lifestyle.

Now before you complain or cry like a baby to GMP that your being victimised or picked on like a school boy, just realise that your input spoils almost all comment sections with long winded internet facts and plain drivel.
Sick to death of hearing your voice TRO I thought you had left when you were outed, I skim past every bit of drivel you write. Seriously, get a life, no one give a toss about your make believe lifestyle. Now before you complain or cry like a baby to GMP that your being victimised or picked on like a school boy, just realise that your input spoils almost all comment sections with long winded internet facts and plain drivel. JustBecause
  • Score: -9

4:47pm Mon 12 May 14

The Righteous One says...

And just like Boltonchap you are trying to detract this thread from the actual news story to it being about me! It seems that if you continue along that line you could get banned again!
And just like Boltonchap you are trying to detract this thread from the actual news story to it being about me! It seems that if you continue along that line you could get banned again! The Righteous One
  • Score: -5

4:51pm Mon 12 May 14

The Righteous One says...

JustBecause wrote:
Sick to death of hearing your voice TRO I thought you had left when you were outed, I skim past every bit of drivel you write. Seriously, get a life, no one give a toss about your make believe lifestyle.

Now before you complain or cry like a baby to GMP that your being victimised or picked on like a school boy, just realise that your input spoils almost all comment sections with long winded internet facts and plain drivel.
Outed

as what?

a person that believes in facts?
an honest neutral person who allows debate but not lies and urban myths to scaremonger?

If its anything else, I have proved over and over again I have always told the truth and funnily enough those who have tried to "out" me are no longer on this website as they have been banned and one of them was banned over 8 times as they kept re-registering, against the editors orders, and spoiling the forum with their anger towards me!
[quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: Sick to death of hearing your voice TRO I thought you had left when you were outed, I skim past every bit of drivel you write. Seriously, get a life, no one give a toss about your make believe lifestyle. Now before you complain or cry like a baby to GMP that your being victimised or picked on like a school boy, just realise that your input spoils almost all comment sections with long winded internet facts and plain drivel.[/p][/quote]Outed as what? a person that believes in facts? an honest neutral person who allows debate but not lies and urban myths to scaremonger? If its anything else, I have proved over and over again I have always told the truth and funnily enough those who have tried to "out" me are no longer on this website as they have been banned and one of them was banned over 8 times as they kept re-registering, against the editors orders, and spoiling the forum with their anger towards me! The Righteous One
  • Score: -12

4:55pm Mon 12 May 14

itsnotthatbad says...

The Righteous One wrote:
itsnotthatbad wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
itsnotthatbad wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Jim,

The £9,000 a year only kicks in AFTER you have finished your education and then you only start paying it back after:
1. You reach the wage level of over approx. £23,000 a year and is deducted straight from source each month (as income tax); or
2. After 5 years of being employed and still earning below approx. £23,000!

Otherwise there is nothing upfront and is paid monthly at a level that you can pay back at, once you do start paying it back!

Therefore education IS an option!
lol, oh how wrong you are,

You have to APPLY for the loans and theres no guarantee you wil get it (personal experience)

Still defending your mates in the Labour Party I see, the ones that introduced the tuition fees, even Thatcher realised how important education was.

Labour will pull up the ladder that you helped us climb.
dont forget tho, tro is rich beyond his wildest dreams and owns several cafe's and lives a jet set lifestyle of non stop partying and women at their feet,so a minimum wage is nothing to them...
Almost true.

I work because it makes ends meet and to make sure I Have a good place to live and that my family can live without the need of hat I had to put up whilst growing up!

I have my on company which is in its infancy in The Netherlands.

I also have 10% share in a holding company which has 5 café/bars in Amsterdam but the income from that minimal!

Jetset lifestyle - I don't travel 1st class, and infact I like travelling by train and coach to Amsterdam to catch up on my investments.

Partying - I wish I had the time, since I work 6 days a week and on the 7th I catch up with form filling! Tax Forms for UK and NL and other red-tape stuff!

Women at my feet - that is a laugh, even if they were I wouldn't be interested as I have a partner, and she is the best with her own career and we are happy as we are!

Minimum wage - I live don that through university and for some years afterwards so I know what it is like and I do appreciate people trying to live on it, but I also know that those on minimum wage can also have back-up of working tax credits that help ease their pain of shifting pennies around!

So you can call, me all you like, Boltonchap (oops I mean itsnotthtabad - btw do the BN editorial team know you have overcome you ban and re-registered), but I have been there and experienced the good, bad and the ugly!!!
I must just sound like boltonchap, as this has been my first ever and only username for bolton news, which is why havent been removed, unlike yourself who uses multiple aliases... utter fantasist who must be a right pain in BN's side what with all the letters and tripe drivel you write week in week out while "in holland"...
If this is your first ever and only username with only about 5 or 6 posts with it, then you haven't been here that long and considering you are claiming that I am fantasist and multiple aliases - really does sound that you have been here before under a different username. As this username of mine has been in use since this time last year, and only been in use as long, and longer, than what you have been here, unless, of course, you had a previous username, then you would have known about the argument that cause the banning of 8 users for bullying and breaking the sites rules and regulations!

Therefore you have given yourself away, and I know for a fact that you were Boltonchap!

Oh, and as a matter of fact only boltonchap types "in holland" like that!! Even I never say in Holland, a I gives it its correct name of The Netherlands, as Holland doesn't exist, not even as a province!!!
I Know all of this due to you being "outed" dutch!! and simply typed certain things into google. I only comment on your things as like justbecause states you ruin things with your fantasy. your not a lawyer or work in a law firm, you sit at home all day being a keyboard warrior. own a stake in a business yeah right, if you call paying 4 euros for a coffee everytime you go there shares....
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]itsnotthatbad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]itsnotthatbad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Jim, The £9,000 a year only kicks in AFTER you have finished your education and then you only start paying it back after: 1. You reach the wage level of over approx. £23,000 a year and is deducted straight from source each month (as income tax); or 2. After 5 years of being employed and still earning below approx. £23,000! Otherwise there is nothing upfront and is paid monthly at a level that you can pay back at, once you do start paying it back! Therefore education IS an option![/p][/quote]lol, oh how wrong you are, You have to APPLY for the loans and theres no guarantee you wil get it (personal experience) Still defending your mates in the Labour Party I see, the ones that introduced the tuition fees, even Thatcher realised how important education was. Labour will pull up the ladder that you helped us climb.[/p][/quote]dont forget tho, tro is rich beyond his wildest dreams and owns several cafe's and lives a jet set lifestyle of non stop partying and women at their feet,so a minimum wage is nothing to them...[/p][/quote]Almost true. I work because it makes ends meet and to make sure I Have a good place to live and that my family can live without the need of hat I had to put up whilst growing up! I have my on company which is in its infancy in The Netherlands. I also have 10% share in a holding company which has 5 café/bars in Amsterdam but the income from that minimal! Jetset lifestyle - I don't travel 1st class, and infact I like travelling by train and coach to Amsterdam to catch up on my investments. Partying - I wish I had the time, since I work 6 days a week and on the 7th I catch up with form filling! Tax Forms for UK and NL and other red-tape stuff! Women at my feet - that is a laugh, even if they were I wouldn't be interested as I have a partner, and she is the best with her own career and we are happy as we are! Minimum wage - I live don that through university and for some years afterwards so I know what it is like and I do appreciate people trying to live on it, but I also know that those on minimum wage can also have back-up of working tax credits that help ease their pain of shifting pennies around! So you can call, me all you like, Boltonchap (oops I mean itsnotthtabad - btw do the BN editorial team know you have overcome you ban and re-registered), but I have been there and experienced the good, bad and the ugly!!![/p][/quote]I must just sound like boltonchap, as this has been my first ever and only username for bolton news, which is why havent been removed, unlike yourself who uses multiple aliases... utter fantasist who must be a right pain in BN's side what with all the letters and tripe drivel you write week in week out while "in holland"...[/p][/quote]If this is your first ever and only username with only about 5 or 6 posts with it, then you haven't been here that long and considering you are claiming that I am fantasist and multiple aliases - really does sound that you have been here before under a different username. As this username of mine has been in use since this time last year, and only been in use as long, and longer, than what you have been here, unless, of course, you had a previous username, then you would have known about the argument that cause the banning of 8 users for bullying and breaking the sites rules and regulations! Therefore you have given yourself away, and I know for a fact that you were Boltonchap! Oh, and as a matter of fact only boltonchap types "in holland" like that!! Even I never say in Holland, a I gives it its correct name of The Netherlands, as Holland doesn't exist, not even as a province!!![/p][/quote]I Know all of this due to you being "outed" dutch!! and simply typed certain things into google. I only comment on your things as like justbecause states you ruin things with your fantasy. your not a lawyer or work in a law firm, you sit at home all day being a keyboard warrior. own a stake in a business yeah right, if you call paying 4 euros for a coffee everytime you go there shares.... itsnotthatbad
  • Score: -7

5:25pm Mon 12 May 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Jim271 wrote:
Why do people keep blaming the Bankers for all the worlds problems?

If you lend you next door neighbour £10 and he doesn't pay you back is it your fault for lending it him.

Its not very far from "its the Bankers Fault" to
"Its a banking Conspiracy" to
"Its a jewish new world order conspiracy"

And you know where that leads too.

Theres no great Free Mason plot out there controlling the world like on The Simpsons, it just sells lots of very average Dan Brown books (Deception point was quite good however.)
You make a brilliant shill Jim :p

Another £100.00 banked with the banksters?
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Why do people keep blaming the Bankers for all the worlds problems? If you lend you next door neighbour £10 and he doesn't pay you back is it your fault for lending it him. Its not very far from "its the Bankers Fault" to "Its a banking Conspiracy" to "Its a jewish new world order conspiracy" And you know where that leads too. Theres no great Free Mason plot out there controlling the world like on The Simpsons, it just sells lots of very average Dan Brown books (Deception point was quite good however.)[/p][/quote]You make a brilliant shill Jim :p Another £100.00 banked with the banksters? Beyond News Forum
  • Score: -7

5:25pm Mon 12 May 14

The Righteous One says...

Yawn!!!

Dutch - nope English through and through. Born in the old maternity ward on Victoria Road in Bolton (thus making me a true Boltonian). Went to Holy Infants (Astley Bridge) and then St Josephs in shepherd Cross Street which then I moved onto Thornleigh (first it was the St Annes site in Harwood and then the Sharples Park site). I then attended Manchester Metropolitan University and whilst there started my working career first at House of Fraser (or in those days it was Kendal Milne & Co in Manchester) and then NatWest, RBS (for over 10 years) E.On, Mizuho in Amsterdam and then more recently Rowan Moor in Egerton and then JMW in Manchester and now working for IAM in Liverpool (for at least next 6 months) - I tend to work on fixed contracts now (my choice) as I like to have time to visit back to Amsterdam to look after my financial interests (i.e. my company and 10% stake in the Master Franchise holder for a chain which also has interests in numerous café-bars.)

Far cry from when growing up with separated parents, being made homeless twice thanks to various debts of parents having to move in grandparents etc etc etc so yes I have been there and done that hence why I want the best for myself and my family! I have worked hard and continue to do so to provide the best but I also know the struggle that people go through and more than sympathise with various situations - I don't gloat about them but I try to help and I fight for them to improve their own lives, unlike you who just moan, moan and more moan because you always think the worst of people!
Yawn!!! Dutch - nope English through and through. Born in the old maternity ward on Victoria Road in Bolton (thus making me a true Boltonian). Went to Holy Infants (Astley Bridge) and then St Josephs in shepherd Cross Street which then I moved onto Thornleigh (first it was the St Annes site in Harwood and then the Sharples Park site). I then attended Manchester Metropolitan University and whilst there started my working career first at House of Fraser (or in those days it was Kendal Milne & Co in Manchester) and then NatWest, RBS (for over 10 years) E.On, Mizuho in Amsterdam and then more recently Rowan Moor in Egerton and then JMW in Manchester and now working for IAM in Liverpool (for at least next 6 months) - I tend to work on fixed contracts now (my choice) as I like to have time to visit back to Amsterdam to look after my financial interests (i.e. my company and 10% stake in the Master Franchise holder for a chain which also has interests in numerous café-bars.) Far cry from when growing up with separated parents, being made homeless twice thanks to various debts of parents having to move in grandparents etc etc etc so yes I have been there and done that hence why I want the best for myself and my family! I have worked hard and continue to do so to provide the best but I also know the struggle that people go through and more than sympathise with various situations - I don't gloat about them but I try to help and I fight for them to improve their own lives, unlike you who just moan, moan and more moan because you always think the worst of people! The Righteous One
  • Score: -11

5:38pm Mon 12 May 14

allan111111 says...

Question is do they deserve a rise
Question is do they deserve a rise allan111111
  • Score: -4

6:44pm Mon 12 May 14

Percy Thrower says...

For the life of me I can't understand why you children don't just swap email addresses and give us all a break.
For the life of me I can't understand why you children don't just swap email addresses and give us all a break. Percy Thrower
  • Score: 7

6:53pm Mon 12 May 14

allan111111 says...

If the coucil get a pay rise then the hard working people of bolton should also get a payrise to cover the price they will have to pay to cover it
If the coucil get a pay rise then the hard working people of bolton should also get a payrise to cover the price they will have to pay to cover it allan111111
  • Score: 1

6:54pm Mon 12 May 14

steveG says...

Looks like the council workers finish at 3 as the thumbs up begin to take effect after that time.
Looks like the council workers finish at 3 as the thumbs up begin to take effect after that time. steveG
  • Score: 1

6:56pm Mon 12 May 14

the hand says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Jim,

The £9,000 a year only kicks in AFTER you have finished your education and then you only start paying it back after:
1. You reach the wage level of over approx. £23,000 a year and is deducted straight from source each month (as income tax); or
2. After 5 years of being employed and still earning below approx. £23,000!

Otherwise there is nothing upfront and is paid monthly at a level that you can pay back at, once you do start paying it back!

Therefore education IS an option!
Tell that the uni graduate s that can't find work or end up working at places like Mac ds or burger king also it might be an option for school leavers but do you really think a council worker could afford to give up their jobs to reeducate themselves you might be able to afford nine grand but I'm sure most couldn't also take into affect apart from the nine grand what would they live of the dole
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Jim, The £9,000 a year only kicks in AFTER you have finished your education and then you only start paying it back after: 1. You reach the wage level of over approx. £23,000 a year and is deducted straight from source each month (as income tax); or 2. After 5 years of being employed and still earning below approx. £23,000! Otherwise there is nothing upfront and is paid monthly at a level that you can pay back at, once you do start paying it back! Therefore education IS an option![/p][/quote]Tell that the uni graduate s that can't find work or end up working at places like Mac ds or burger king also it might be an option for school leavers but do you really think a council worker could afford to give up their jobs to reeducate themselves you might be able to afford nine grand but I'm sure most couldn't also take into affect apart from the nine grand what would they live of the dole the hand
  • Score: 1

7:03pm Mon 12 May 14

boltonnut says...

I'm so glad I'm retired with good pensions,pensions earned whilst I worked for unionized companies.Unions are a thing of the past thanks to greedy corporations.Certain corporations are taking the dignity out of the workers for their own greed.I worked hard for my employers and never went on strike in 50 years of working because back then business and unions had mutual respect for each other.
I'm so glad I'm retired with good pensions,pensions earned whilst I worked for unionized companies.Unions are a thing of the past thanks to greedy corporations.Certain corporations are taking the dignity out of the workers for their own greed.I worked hard for my employers and never went on strike in 50 years of working because back then business and unions had mutual respect for each other. boltonnut
  • Score: 0

8:32pm Mon 12 May 14

Frotage says...

When we are all invited to give our opinions on the features in the BN why does it almost always descend into a personal slanging match between two or three people? It really is a pain. I like to read other peoples opinions even if i don't agree with them. I have found though in my short time on the BN website that the following is true - Public sector = Good. Private sector = Bad. Labour =Good. Conservative = Bad. Any criticism of any public body no matter how well informed or correct will immediately result in many thumbs down. Several months in and i almost know what the comments will consist of before i even get to them.
When we are all invited to give our opinions on the features in the BN why does it almost always descend into a personal slanging match between two or three people? It really is a pain. I like to read other peoples opinions even if i don't agree with them. I have found though in my short time on the BN website that the following is true - Public sector = Good. Private sector = Bad. Labour =Good. Conservative = Bad. Any criticism of any public body no matter how well informed or correct will immediately result in many thumbs down. Several months in and i almost know what the comments will consist of before i even get to them. Frotage
  • Score: 5

9:56pm Mon 12 May 14

Citizen Cane says...

Do we really need a gypsy liaison officer or a diversity officer or even 20% of council employees? Consign that lot and wages for the rest can rise as well as delivering lower council tax. You won't notice any difference in the so called "service".
Do we really need a gypsy liaison officer or a diversity officer or even 20% of council employees? Consign that lot and wages for the rest can rise as well as delivering lower council tax. You won't notice any difference in the so called "service". Citizen Cane
  • Score: 6

10:37pm Mon 12 May 14

Thatissowrong says...

JustBecause wrote:
Sick to death of hearing your voice TRO I thought you had left when you were outed, I skim past every bit of drivel you write. Seriously, get a life, no one give a toss about your make believe lifestyle.

Now before you complain or cry like a baby to GMP that your being victimised or picked on like a school boy, just realise that your input spoils almost all comment sections with long winded internet facts and plain drivel.
Here here! It's always about this RO fella. The same one who tries to convince us Christianity is permitted to be practiced in Saudi Arabia. He talks drivel. Ignore him.
[quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: Sick to death of hearing your voice TRO I thought you had left when you were outed, I skim past every bit of drivel you write. Seriously, get a life, no one give a toss about your make believe lifestyle. Now before you complain or cry like a baby to GMP that your being victimised or picked on like a school boy, just realise that your input spoils almost all comment sections with long winded internet facts and plain drivel.[/p][/quote]Here here! It's always about this RO fella. The same one who tries to convince us Christianity is permitted to be practiced in Saudi Arabia. He talks drivel. Ignore him. Thatissowrong
  • Score: 7

11:10pm Mon 12 May 14

owencoyle99 says...

It is a fact that council workers get 13% more than private companies in a like for like situation - it was given by George Brown when labour was in power when private industries was struggling
Who put the council rates up and paid £900000 into the council workers pension scheme Mr Morris
It is a fact that council workers get 13% more than private companies in a like for like situation - it was given by George Brown when labour was in power when private industries was struggling Who put the council rates up and paid £900000 into the council workers pension scheme Mr Morris owencoyle99
  • Score: 4

4:26pm Tue 13 May 14

atlas123 says...

Bolton council van sat parked up on scout road lasThursday ayfor at least 90mins whilst two on board read the paper.


Pay rise..... Forreading the paper? Dont make me laugh!

I'd have taken a picture but didn't have my phone!
Bolton council van sat parked up on scout road lasThursday ayfor at least 90mins whilst two on board read the paper. Pay rise..... Forreading the paper? Dont make me laugh! I'd have taken a picture but didn't have my phone! atlas123
  • Score: 2

8:39pm Tue 13 May 14

dressit says...

Here we go bash a council worker night...........you all bang on about the "golden handshakes" massive pensions, ....yes there is money wasted in the council, workers sat in their vans....why didn't you take the reg number and report them? As you say it's your money being wasted.........but I think what you should all take a thought on is that the lowest paid council worker is earning 65p more than the national wage and that will be taken over in the next few years........the majority of council workers are low paid, most are woman, working around family commitments.......I have paid into my pension for 19 years but because I work part time, because I'm a full time carer, my pension is only worth at this moment 10 years.........I haven't had a pay rise in 3 years.....will I be taking part in the ballot....yes.......
will I be striking? No....why because we will get jack **** a load of abuse from the public and achieve a big fat nowt........I'm just glad I can work, take care of my disabled child..........unlik
e some who whine about council workers but can't work because they have a kid or the wage isn't enough to live on....
Here we go bash a council worker night...........you all bang on about the "golden handshakes" massive pensions, ....yes there is money wasted in the council, workers sat in their vans....why didn't you take the reg number and report them? As you say it's your money being wasted.........but I think what you should all take a thought on is that the lowest paid council worker is earning 65p more than the national wage and that will be taken over in the next few years........the majority of council workers are low paid, most are woman, working around family commitments.......I have paid into my pension for 19 years but because I work part time, because I'm a full time carer, my pension is only worth at this moment 10 years.........I haven't had a pay rise in 3 years.....will I be taking part in the ballot....yes....... will I be striking? No....why because we will get jack **** a load of abuse from the public and achieve a big fat nowt........I'm just glad I can work, take care of my disabled child..........unlik e some who whine about council workers but can't work because they have a kid or the wage isn't enough to live on.... dressit
  • Score: -3

10:01pm Tue 13 May 14

Greasy Chip Butty says...

Citizen Cane wrote:
Do we really need a gypsy liaison officer or a diversity officer or even 20% of council employees? Consign that lot and wages for the rest can rise as well as delivering lower council tax. You won't notice any difference in the so called "service".
I would be surprised if these posts exist. What load of drivel and scaremongering. Vote UKIP.
[quote][p][bold]Citizen Cane[/bold] wrote: Do we really need a gypsy liaison officer or a diversity officer or even 20% of council employees? Consign that lot and wages for the rest can rise as well as delivering lower council tax. You won't notice any difference in the so called "service".[/p][/quote]I would be surprised if these posts exist. What load of drivel and scaremongering. Vote UKIP. Greasy Chip Butty
  • Score: 3

5:01pm Wed 14 May 14

benefitbuster says...

The Righteous One wrote:
itsnotthatbad wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Jim,

The £9,000 a year only kicks in AFTER you have finished your education and then you only start paying it back after:
1. You reach the wage level of over approx. £23,000 a year and is deducted straight from source each month (as income tax); or
2. After 5 years of being employed and still earning below approx. £23,000!

Otherwise there is nothing upfront and is paid monthly at a level that you can pay back at, once you do start paying it back!

Therefore education IS an option!
lol, oh how wrong you are,

You have to APPLY for the loans and theres no guarantee you wil get it (personal experience)

Still defending your mates in the Labour Party I see, the ones that introduced the tuition fees, even Thatcher realised how important education was.

Labour will pull up the ladder that you helped us climb.
dont forget tho, tro is rich beyond his wildest dreams and owns several cafe's and lives a jet set lifestyle of non stop partying and women at their feet,so a minimum wage is nothing to them...
Almost true.

I work because it makes ends meet and to make sure I Have a good place to live and that my family can live without the need of hat I had to put up whilst growing up!

I have my on company which is in its infancy in The Netherlands.

I also have 10% share in a holding company which has 5 café/bars in Amsterdam but the income from that minimal!

Jetset lifestyle - I don't travel 1st class, and infact I like travelling by train and coach to Amsterdam to catch up on my investments.

Partying - I wish I had the time, since I work 6 days a week and on the 7th I catch up with form filling! Tax Forms for UK and NL and other red-tape stuff!

Women at my feet - that is a laugh, even if they were I wouldn't be interested as I have a partner, and she is the best with her own career and we are happy as we are!

Minimum wage - I live don that through university and for some years afterwards so I know what it is like and I do appreciate people trying to live on it, but I also know that those on minimum wage can also have back-up of working tax credits that help ease their pain of shifting pennies around!

So you can call, me all you like, Boltonchap (oops I mean itsnotthtabad - btw do the BN editorial team know you have overcome you ban and re-registered), but I have been there and experienced the good, bad and the ugly!!!
Hi Cristopher ( righteous one )

Why are you telling people on your facebook page that you are claiming jobseekers and have been doing for some time ???

if you own businesses that is benefit fraud

or you are living in fantasy land again and you dont own anything

either way ive taken a photo of your facebook and forwarded it to the bolton benefit fraud team with a copy of this thread and some other info so they can speak to you

because you are either

1 - a benefit fraudster

2 - a fantasist who pretends to own businesses when he doesnt

good look chris, your going to need it
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]itsnotthatbad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Jim, The £9,000 a year only kicks in AFTER you have finished your education and then you only start paying it back after: 1. You reach the wage level of over approx. £23,000 a year and is deducted straight from source each month (as income tax); or 2. After 5 years of being employed and still earning below approx. £23,000! Otherwise there is nothing upfront and is paid monthly at a level that you can pay back at, once you do start paying it back! Therefore education IS an option![/p][/quote]lol, oh how wrong you are, You have to APPLY for the loans and theres no guarantee you wil get it (personal experience) Still defending your mates in the Labour Party I see, the ones that introduced the tuition fees, even Thatcher realised how important education was. Labour will pull up the ladder that you helped us climb.[/p][/quote]dont forget tho, tro is rich beyond his wildest dreams and owns several cafe's and lives a jet set lifestyle of non stop partying and women at their feet,so a minimum wage is nothing to them...[/p][/quote]Almost true. I work because it makes ends meet and to make sure I Have a good place to live and that my family can live without the need of hat I had to put up whilst growing up! I have my on company which is in its infancy in The Netherlands. I also have 10% share in a holding company which has 5 café/bars in Amsterdam but the income from that minimal! Jetset lifestyle - I don't travel 1st class, and infact I like travelling by train and coach to Amsterdam to catch up on my investments. Partying - I wish I had the time, since I work 6 days a week and on the 7th I catch up with form filling! Tax Forms for UK and NL and other red-tape stuff! Women at my feet - that is a laugh, even if they were I wouldn't be interested as I have a partner, and she is the best with her own career and we are happy as we are! Minimum wage - I live don that through university and for some years afterwards so I know what it is like and I do appreciate people trying to live on it, but I also know that those on minimum wage can also have back-up of working tax credits that help ease their pain of shifting pennies around! So you can call, me all you like, Boltonchap (oops I mean itsnotthtabad - btw do the BN editorial team know you have overcome you ban and re-registered), but I have been there and experienced the good, bad and the ugly!!![/p][/quote]Hi Cristopher ( righteous one ) Why are you telling people on your facebook page that you are claiming jobseekers and have been doing for some time ??? if you own businesses that is benefit fraud or you are living in fantasy land again and you dont own anything either way ive taken a photo of your facebook and forwarded it to the bolton benefit fraud team with a copy of this thread and some other info so they can speak to you because you are either 1 - a benefit fraudster 2 - a fantasist who pretends to own businesses when he doesnt good look chris, your going to need it benefitbuster
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5:02pm Wed 14 May 14

benefitbuster says...

ps

you really need to make your facebook private if you are going to brag about benefit fraud
ps you really need to make your facebook private if you are going to brag about benefit fraud benefitbuster
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8:28am Thu 15 May 14

Donkey Stone says...

Jim271 wrote:
Dear Union Members.

Money does not grow on trees.

Signed

Bolton Council Tax Payers
I doubt that you are one of them.
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Dear Union Members. Money does not grow on trees. Signed Bolton Council Tax Payers[/p][/quote]I doubt that you are one of them. Donkey Stone
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8:32am Thu 15 May 14

Donkey Stone says...

Stay out on strike until Morris and Harris resign. The salaries from those two would save approx 25 jobs and I doubt that we would miss their "expertise".
Stay out on strike until Morris and Harris resign. The salaries from those two would save approx 25 jobs and I doubt that we would miss their "expertise". Donkey Stone
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