National newspaper is prejudiced and skewing halal debate, says MP

National newspaper is prejudiced and skewing halal debate, says MP

Halal meat. The debate has been skewed by prejudice, says MP Yasmin Qureshi.

The halal meat debate has been skewed by prejudice, says MP Yasmin Qureshi.

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MP Yasmin Qureshi has accused national newspapers of prejudice in the debate over the ethics of halal and kosher meat.

The MP for Bolton South East spoke in parliament over the practice of slaughtering meat in line with Islamic law.

The issue hit the headlines last week after The Sun newspaper reported how restaurant Pizza Express serves halal chicken without stating it on its menu.

In the House of Commons Ms Qureshi slammed the publication for “skewing the debate” without fully informing people about studies which show Islamic slaughter — via a deep incision to a vein in the neck — is less painful to animals than stunning them first.

She said: “The newspaper that is going on about halal meat does not talk about experimentation on animals, which is real cruelty.

"We know that it just wants to have a go at one particular group of people.

“No one wants to talk about the science, because the accepted wisdom goes with the prejudice that I am sorry to say certain newspapers in this country show towards certain groups without looking at the evidence.

"We should have a proper scientific debate about slaughtering, because the evidence is out there. Concern is perpetuated because most people do not know how the halal or kosher methods of slaughter take place.”

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2:54pm Thu 15 May 14

cranks says...

There would not be a debate if this issue was not of concern too people so let them know if it is halal meat and then the public can vote with there feet when using certain business's. Im sure this mp should/would have other concerns too deal within the area she represents rather than adding to this debate.....
There would not be a debate if this issue was not of concern too people so let them know if it is halal meat and then the public can vote with there feet when using certain business's. Im sure this mp should/would have other concerns too deal within the area she represents rather than adding to this debate..... cranks
  • Score: 42

2:55pm Thu 15 May 14

piszoff says...

via a deep incision to a vein in the neck — is less painful to animals than stunning them first. Prove it Yasmin go with your cronies and cameras to watch and record both methods. Let the people see.
via a deep incision to a vein in the neck — is less painful to animals than stunning them first. Prove it Yasmin go with your cronies and cameras to watch and record both methods. Let the people see. piszoff
  • Score: 41

3:45pm Thu 15 May 14

waka flocks flame says...

Curry houses have been serving Halal meat for years but now its suddenly a problem? Subways in Bolton have been Halal for years and clearly labeled as such. Nearly all Halal meat is stunned anyway and the meat that isn't you would have to buy from a Halal butcher. If you've still got concerns about it ask before you buy.
Curry houses have been serving Halal meat for years but now its suddenly a problem? Subways in Bolton have been Halal for years and clearly labeled as such. Nearly all Halal meat is stunned anyway and the meat that isn't you would have to buy from a Halal butcher. If you've still got concerns about it ask before you buy. waka flocks flame
  • Score: -48

3:49pm Thu 15 May 14

waka flocks flame says...

As for the evidence about none stunned Halal slaughter being less or more painful I sincerely doubt that there has been unbiased research done on this by a party that hasn't got a vested interest in proving or disproving this.
As for the evidence about none stunned Halal slaughter being less or more painful I sincerely doubt that there has been unbiased research done on this by a party that hasn't got a vested interest in proving or disproving this. waka flocks flame
  • Score: -23

3:53pm Thu 15 May 14

mr.mark.c says...

waka flocks flame wrote:
Curry houses have been serving Halal meat for years but now its suddenly a problem? Subways in Bolton have been Halal for years and clearly labeled as such. Nearly all Halal meat is stunned anyway and the meat that isn't you would have to buy from a Halal butcher. If you've still got concerns about it ask before you buy.
Serve muslims non Halal without telling them and see what happens when they find out.
[quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: Curry houses have been serving Halal meat for years but now its suddenly a problem? Subways in Bolton have been Halal for years and clearly labeled as such. Nearly all Halal meat is stunned anyway and the meat that isn't you would have to buy from a Halal butcher. If you've still got concerns about it ask before you buy.[/p][/quote]Serve muslims non Halal without telling them and see what happens when they find out. mr.mark.c
  • Score: 100

3:54pm Thu 15 May 14

Reed Lover says...

According to a 2012 Food Standards Agency report cited by the RSPCA, 97% of cattle, 96% of poultry and 90% of sheep slaughtered using the halal method in UK abattoirs are stunned first, desensitising the animal to pain. If the objection were really about the distress of slaughter, it would therefore apply to only a tiny proportion of halal meat.

According to a 2012 Food Standards Agency report cited by the RSPCA, 97% of cattle, 96% of poultry and 90% of sheep slaughtered using the halal method in UK abattoirs are stunned first, desensitising the animal to pain. If the objection were really about the distress of slaughter, it would therefore apply to only a tiny proportion of halal meat. [quoted for truth] Reed Lover
  • Score: -28

3:55pm Thu 15 May 14

frogleg says...

Lets just forget about the way they are killed for one minute, although the RSPCA are calling for a ban on non stunned. and talk about this multi billion pound halal industry that excludes all but muslim men from any part of slaughter and processing. 1000s and 1000s of jobs women (muslim or not) and non muslim men can't even apply for. hows that fare? seeing as most of the meat is being sold to non muslims??
Lets just forget about the way they are killed for one minute, although the RSPCA are calling for a ban on non stunned. and talk about this multi billion pound halal industry that excludes all but muslim men from any part of slaughter and processing. 1000s and 1000s of jobs women (muslim or not) and non muslim men can't even apply for. hows that fare? seeing as most of the meat is being sold to non muslims?? frogleg
  • Score: 54

3:57pm Thu 15 May 14

Wolfie190 says...

I'm glad the council stopped the immigrants cutting the throats of animals in the streets of Bolton over 20 years ago.
I'm glad the council stopped the immigrants cutting the throats of animals in the streets of Bolton over 20 years ago. Wolfie190
  • Score: 46

4:00pm Thu 15 May 14

waka flocks flame says...

mr.mark.c wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
Curry houses have been serving Halal meat for years but now its suddenly a problem? Subways in Bolton have been Halal for years and clearly labeled as such. Nearly all Halal meat is stunned anyway and the meat that isn't you would have to buy from a Halal butcher. If you've still got concerns about it ask before you buy.
Serve muslims non Halal without telling them and see what happens when they find out.
Who's done that? Subway haven't! What's the problem with stunned Halal meat?
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: Curry houses have been serving Halal meat for years but now its suddenly a problem? Subways in Bolton have been Halal for years and clearly labeled as such. Nearly all Halal meat is stunned anyway and the meat that isn't you would have to buy from a Halal butcher. If you've still got concerns about it ask before you buy.[/p][/quote]Serve muslims non Halal without telling them and see what happens when they find out.[/p][/quote]Who's done that? Subway haven't! What's the problem with stunned Halal meat? waka flocks flame
  • Score: -48

4:05pm Thu 15 May 14

waka flocks flame says...

mr.mark.c wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
Curry houses have been serving Halal meat for years but now its suddenly a problem? Subways in Bolton have been Halal for years and clearly labeled as such. Nearly all Halal meat is stunned anyway and the meat that isn't you would have to buy from a Halal butcher. If you've still got concerns about it ask before you buy.
Serve muslims non Halal without telling them and see what happens when they find out.
A Muslim who cares would check before hand
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: Curry houses have been serving Halal meat for years but now its suddenly a problem? Subways in Bolton have been Halal for years and clearly labeled as such. Nearly all Halal meat is stunned anyway and the meat that isn't you would have to buy from a Halal butcher. If you've still got concerns about it ask before you buy.[/p][/quote]Serve muslims non Halal without telling them and see what happens when they find out.[/p][/quote]A Muslim who cares would check before hand waka flocks flame
  • Score: -30

4:10pm Thu 15 May 14

wassupp says...

Cutting through the jugulars cuts off blood supply to the brain. Instant drop of brain blood pressure to zero. Draw your own conclusions about pain.
Cutting through the jugulars cuts off blood supply to the brain. Instant drop of brain blood pressure to zero. Draw your own conclusions about pain. wassupp
  • Score: -56

4:20pm Thu 15 May 14

Jim271 says...

Who is she again????

The woman who disappears on jollies paid for by "interested parties" and is no doubt a big fan of the giant Mosque that's being built despite local opposition,

She only represents her community, I suggest people do not vote for her in future.
Who is she again???? The woman who disappears on jollies paid for by "interested parties" and is no doubt a big fan of the giant Mosque that's being built despite local opposition, She only represents her community, I suggest people do not vote for her in future. Jim271
  • Score: 72

4:49pm Thu 15 May 14

Replytohatersandscum says...

Jim271 wrote:
Who is she again???? The woman who disappears on jollies paid for by "interested parties" and is no doubt a big fan of the giant Mosque that's being built despite local opposition, She only represents her community, I suggest people do not vote for her in future.
you must be a specail kind of stupid like most the scum on here how did she get the job as mp by being VOTED IN and as for she only represents her community that would be BOLTON community you like the rest of the scum should move out of bolton and go live in a **** hole somewhere plenty of places where theres no "immigrants "
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Who is she again???? The woman who disappears on jollies paid for by "interested parties" and is no doubt a big fan of the giant Mosque that's being built despite local opposition, She only represents her community, I suggest people do not vote for her in future.[/p][/quote]you must be a specail kind of stupid like most the scum on here how did she get the job as mp by being VOTED IN and as for she only represents her community that would be BOLTON community you like the rest of the scum should move out of bolton and go live in a **** hole somewhere plenty of places where theres no "immigrants " Replytohatersandscum
  • Score: -67

4:56pm Thu 15 May 14

itsnotthatbad says...

If you go for a curry then yeah its good to know its halal as typically the meat is a better quality than a curry house that serves non halal, which is few and far between but has been experienced. we know its halal as they have a halal meats sticker on the window and in the menu, what the debate here is, is that we're not being informed before hand of where the meat was butchered. We should be able to make our own informed decision on what slaughtered meats we want to eat. As like others have said, what would happen if a Muslim or a Jew were to eat non ritually slaughtered meat!?!?!? they would kick off and most likely go the local rag complaining how they're religious beliefs have been desecrated. thankfully this isn't religious, or things would go off big time. but we should have been informed. we should have been GIVEN THE CHOICE!!! not everyone goes for a curry and not everyone goes to pizza express. Would a vegan/vegetarian be happy if there dish labelled as meat free was found to contain meat or someone with a nut allergy ?? the list is endless. we have the right to be informed and we werent, people saying meat is meat and whats the harm, but this comes from muslims etc themselves. tell you what eat chicken slaughtered by a normal abbatoir, go on its tasty.... know waht answer would be!!
If you go for a curry then yeah its good to know its halal as typically the meat is a better quality than a curry house that serves non halal, which is few and far between but has been experienced. we know its halal as they have a halal meats sticker on the window and in the menu, what the debate here is, is that we're not being informed before hand of where the meat was butchered. We should be able to make our own informed decision on what slaughtered meats we want to eat. As like others have said, what would happen if a Muslim or a Jew were to eat non ritually slaughtered meat!?!?!? they would kick off and most likely go the local rag complaining how they're religious beliefs have been desecrated. thankfully this isn't religious, or things would go off big time. but we should have been informed. we should have been GIVEN THE CHOICE!!! not everyone goes for a curry and not everyone goes to pizza express. Would a vegan/vegetarian be happy if there dish labelled as meat free was found to contain meat or someone with a nut allergy ?? the list is endless. we have the right to be informed and we werent, people saying meat is meat and whats the harm, but this comes from muslims etc themselves. tell you what eat chicken slaughtered by a normal abbatoir, go on its tasty.... know waht answer would be!! itsnotthatbad
  • Score: 17

5:01pm Thu 15 May 14

itsnotthatbad says...

Bolton Council apologises after pork product is served to Muslim youngsters in school dessert

6:00am Tuesday 19th November 2013 in News The Bolton News: Photograph of the Author By Saiqa Chaudhari, Education reporter
The Bolton News: Gaskell Community Primary School in Thomas Holden Street. Picture from Google Maps. Gaskell Community Primary School in Thomas Holden Street. Picture from Google Maps.

TOWN hall chiefs have issued an apology after a pork product was discovered in chocolate mousse being served to Muslim youngsters as part of their school dinner.

Bolton Council’s school meals service which provides dinners to many of the borough’s school is now working closely with Bolton Council of Mosques and an investigation is under way.

The incident only involved Gaskell Community Primary School in Thomas Holden Street, Bolton, and as soon as the ingredient — pork gelatine — was spotted, the dessert was withdrawn.

Letters have been sent out to parents of children at the school apologising for the mistake and outlining what action will be taken.

A Bolton Council spokesman said: “We would like to sincerely apologise for any upset caused to parents and children by this mistake.

“This incident occurred at one school and we would like to stress that this was an isolated incident.

"A batch of frozen chocolate mousses was supplied by one of our food suppliers in place of the halal accredited frozen yoghurts that we had ordered.

"When it came to our notice that the mousses contained pork gelatine they were immediately withdrawn.

“We would also like to reassure the community that we are working closely with Bolton Council of Mosques and we are reviewing our own procedures to ensure that this does not happen again.
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"We will ensure that any specific improvements that are identified are rolled out to all of our schools.”

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Schools meals serve 96 primary and special schools in Bolton and approximately 15,000 meals per day. It also serves five high schools.

The award-winning service says it endeavours to purchase local, sustainable food from within the Lancashire region ensuring that “safety, standards, quality, environmental protection and animal welfare are upheld”.

Headteacher Emily Kirk said: “As a school we are all really upset by what has happened.

“Fortunately our staff reacted very quickly as soon as the issue was identified, which was early on into our lunchtime, and the product was instantly removed.

“We immediately informed all of our parents, who I would like to thank for their continued support and understanding.

"Bolton Council, who provide our school meals, acted very promptly and held a meeting to further reassure our parents, supported by Bolton Council of Mosques.

“I would like to stress that this has never happened here before.

“As a school we are extremely proud of our school meals which provide our children with a nutritionally balanced meal and this contributes significantly to their health and wellbeing.”

Bolton Council’s school meals recently won the "best partnership working" prize at the Association of Public Service Excellence awards for its work with Bolton Council of Mosques.


some people get an apology when its our fault yet get told its not really a fuss when we have something to say.....
Bolton Council apologises after pork product is served to Muslim youngsters in school dessert 6:00am Tuesday 19th November 2013 in News The Bolton News: Photograph of the Author By Saiqa Chaudhari, Education reporter The Bolton News: Gaskell Community Primary School in Thomas Holden Street. Picture from Google Maps. Gaskell Community Primary School in Thomas Holden Street. Picture from Google Maps. TOWN hall chiefs have issued an apology after a pork product was discovered in chocolate mousse being served to Muslim youngsters as part of their school dinner. Bolton Council’s school meals service which provides dinners to many of the borough’s school is now working closely with Bolton Council of Mosques and an investigation is under way. The incident only involved Gaskell Community Primary School in Thomas Holden Street, Bolton, and as soon as the ingredient — pork gelatine — was spotted, the dessert was withdrawn. Letters have been sent out to parents of children at the school apologising for the mistake and outlining what action will be taken. A Bolton Council spokesman said: “We would like to sincerely apologise for any upset caused to parents and children by this mistake. “This incident occurred at one school and we would like to stress that this was an isolated incident. "A batch of frozen chocolate mousses was supplied by one of our food suppliers in place of the halal accredited frozen yoghurts that we had ordered. "When it came to our notice that the mousses contained pork gelatine they were immediately withdrawn. “We would also like to reassure the community that we are working closely with Bolton Council of Mosques and we are reviewing our own procedures to ensure that this does not happen again. Ads by Google Dinner Money Payments Our Dinner Money Module is designed specifically for schools squidcard.com/corpor ate/education Accessible Walk In Shower Arrange A Home Assessment Today And Get Back Your Independence www.premierbathrooms .co.uk/showers "We will ensure that any specific improvements that are identified are rolled out to all of our schools.” MORE: Elderly man suffers 'nasty' leg injury in Deane Road crash Elderly man found dead at home in Horwich Toddler drowned after following dad and sister into swimming pool Machete and hunting knife seized in Deane raids Love is in the air at Westhoughton primary school - where two pairs of teachers are getting married Schools meals serve 96 primary and special schools in Bolton and approximately 15,000 meals per day. It also serves five high schools. The award-winning service says it endeavours to purchase local, sustainable food from within the Lancashire region ensuring that “safety, standards, quality, environmental protection and animal welfare are upheld”. Headteacher Emily Kirk said: “As a school we are all really upset by what has happened. “Fortunately our staff reacted very quickly as soon as the issue was identified, which was early on into our lunchtime, and the product was instantly removed. “We immediately informed all of our parents, who I would like to thank for their continued support and understanding. "Bolton Council, who provide our school meals, acted very promptly and held a meeting to further reassure our parents, supported by Bolton Council of Mosques. “I would like to stress that this has never happened here before. “As a school we are extremely proud of our school meals which provide our children with a nutritionally balanced meal and this contributes significantly to their health and wellbeing.” Bolton Council’s school meals recently won the "best partnership working" prize at the Association of Public Service Excellence awards for its work with Bolton Council of Mosques. some people get an apology when its our fault yet get told its not really a fuss when we have something to say..... itsnotthatbad
  • Score: 55

5:41pm Thu 15 May 14

waka flocks flame says...

itsnotthatbad wrote:
If you go for a curry then yeah its good to know its halal as typically the meat is a better quality than a curry house that serves non halal, which is few and far between but has been experienced. we know its halal as they have a halal meats sticker on the window and in the menu, what the debate here is, is that we're not being informed before hand of where the meat was butchered. We should be able to make our own informed decision on what slaughtered meats we want to eat. As like others have said, what would happen if a Muslim or a Jew were to eat non ritually slaughtered meat!?!?!? they would kick off and most likely go the local rag complaining how they're religious beliefs have been desecrated. thankfully this isn't religious, or things would go off big time. but we should have been informed. we should have been GIVEN THE CHOICE!!! not everyone goes for a curry and not everyone goes to pizza express. Would a vegan/vegetarian be happy if there dish labelled as meat free was found to contain meat or someone with a nut allergy ?? the list is endless. we have the right to be informed and we werent, people saying meat is meat and whats the harm, but this comes from muslims etc themselves. tell you what eat chicken slaughtered by a normal abbatoir, go on its tasty.... know waht answer would be!!
How have we not been given the choice? And if its stunne halal why does it matter?
[quote][p][bold]itsnotthatbad[/bold] wrote: If you go for a curry then yeah its good to know its halal as typically the meat is a better quality than a curry house that serves non halal, which is few and far between but has been experienced. we know its halal as they have a halal meats sticker on the window and in the menu, what the debate here is, is that we're not being informed before hand of where the meat was butchered. We should be able to make our own informed decision on what slaughtered meats we want to eat. As like others have said, what would happen if a Muslim or a Jew were to eat non ritually slaughtered meat!?!?!? they would kick off and most likely go the local rag complaining how they're religious beliefs have been desecrated. thankfully this isn't religious, or things would go off big time. but we should have been informed. we should have been GIVEN THE CHOICE!!! not everyone goes for a curry and not everyone goes to pizza express. Would a vegan/vegetarian be happy if there dish labelled as meat free was found to contain meat or someone with a nut allergy ?? the list is endless. we have the right to be informed and we werent, people saying meat is meat and whats the harm, but this comes from muslims etc themselves. tell you what eat chicken slaughtered by a normal abbatoir, go on its tasty.... know waht answer would be!![/p][/quote]How have we not been given the choice? And if its stunne halal why does it matter? waka flocks flame
  • Score: -55

6:26pm Thu 15 May 14

thomas222 says...

What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.
What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course. thomas222
  • Score: 52

6:33pm Thu 15 May 14

waka flocks flame says...

thomas222 wrote:
What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.
But why care if the meat is stunned it makes no difference? Who has been selling it without letting people know?
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.[/p][/quote]But why care if the meat is stunned it makes no difference? Who has been selling it without letting people know? waka flocks flame
  • Score: -49

6:45pm Thu 15 May 14

mr.mark.c says...

waka flocks flame wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.
But why care if the meat is stunned it makes no difference? Who has been selling it without letting people know?
Does the same go the other way then ?
come on, truth !
[quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.[/p][/quote]But why care if the meat is stunned it makes no difference? Who has been selling it without letting people know?[/p][/quote]Does the same go the other way then ? come on, truth ! mr.mark.c
  • Score: 34

6:48pm Thu 15 May 14

thomas222 says...

waka flocks flame wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.
But why care if the meat is stunned it makes no difference? Who has been selling it without letting people know?
Some people do care thats why they buy free range eggs & Chickens. Its called having standards and the quality that person wants....that is a persons personal choice if your paying for something. How can that happen if its not stated what your getting. Would anyone cry racist if i sold you a Mini & a Astra came instead ?
[quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.[/p][/quote]But why care if the meat is stunned it makes no difference? Who has been selling it without letting people know?[/p][/quote]Some people do care thats why they buy free range eggs & Chickens. Its called having standards and the quality that person wants....that is a persons personal choice if your paying for something. How can that happen if its not stated what your getting. Would anyone cry racist if i sold you a Mini & a Astra came instead ? thomas222
  • Score: 41

6:49pm Thu 15 May 14

mr.mark.c says...

thomas222 wrote:
What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.
I could not agree more, well said.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.[/p][/quote]I could not agree more, well said. mr.mark.c
  • Score: 33

6:55pm Thu 15 May 14

waka flocks flame says...

thomas222 wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.
But why care if the meat is stunned it makes no difference? Who has been selling it without letting people know?
Some people do care thats why they buy free range eggs & Chickens. Its called having standards and the quality that person wants....that is a persons personal choice if your paying for something. How can that happen if its not stated what your getting. Would anyone cry racist if i sold you a Mini & a Astra came instead ?
But who's lying about it? Who is selling halal meat and passing it off as normal meat? And what is wrong with halal meat that has been stunned?
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.[/p][/quote]But why care if the meat is stunned it makes no difference? Who has been selling it without letting people know?[/p][/quote]Some people do care thats why they buy free range eggs & Chickens. Its called having standards and the quality that person wants....that is a persons personal choice if your paying for something. How can that happen if its not stated what your getting. Would anyone cry racist if i sold you a Mini & a Astra came instead ?[/p][/quote]But who's lying about it? Who is selling halal meat and passing it off as normal meat? And what is wrong with halal meat that has been stunned? waka flocks flame
  • Score: -48

6:56pm Thu 15 May 14

mr.mark.c says...

What about the woman in Sudan that has been sentenced to death for getting married to a Christian, is that also islamic law just as Halal is?
This is the United Kingdom, not the middle east, we should not have to check is our meat is Halal or not, just like we don't hang women for leaving a faith to get married.
What about the woman in Sudan that has been sentenced to death for getting married to a Christian, is that also islamic law just as Halal is? This is the United Kingdom, not the middle east, we should not have to check is our meat is Halal or not, just like we don't hang women for leaving a faith to get married. mr.mark.c
  • Score: 59

6:58pm Thu 15 May 14

mr.mark.c says...

waka flocks flame wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.
But why care if the meat is stunned it makes no difference? Who has been selling it without letting people know?
Some people do care thats why they buy free range eggs & Chickens. Its called having standards and the quality that person wants....that is a persons personal choice if your paying for something. How can that happen if its not stated what your getting. Would anyone cry racist if i sold you a Mini & a Astra came instead ?
But who's lying about it? Who is selling halal meat and passing it off as normal meat? And what is wrong with halal meat that has been stunned?
So you are now saying that Halal is abnormal.
[quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.[/p][/quote]But why care if the meat is stunned it makes no difference? Who has been selling it without letting people know?[/p][/quote]Some people do care thats why they buy free range eggs & Chickens. Its called having standards and the quality that person wants....that is a persons personal choice if your paying for something. How can that happen if its not stated what your getting. Would anyone cry racist if i sold you a Mini & a Astra came instead ?[/p][/quote]But who's lying about it? Who is selling halal meat and passing it off as normal meat? And what is wrong with halal meat that has been stunned?[/p][/quote]So you are now saying that Halal is abnormal. mr.mark.c
  • Score: 41

7:02pm Thu 15 May 14

waka flocks flame says...

mr.mark.c wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.
But why care if the meat is stunned it makes no difference? Who has been selling it without letting people know?
Some people do care thats why they buy free range eggs & Chickens. Its called having standards and the quality that person wants....that is a persons personal choice if your paying for something. How can that happen if its not stated what your getting. Would anyone cry racist if i sold you a Mini & a Astra came instead ?
But who's lying about it? Who is selling halal meat and passing it off as normal meat? And what is wrong with halal meat that has been stunned?
So you are now saying that Halal is abnormal.
As most meat in UK is non Halal I described it as normal because it is the norm. Now why don't you answer the question instead of trying to be clever?
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.[/p][/quote]But why care if the meat is stunned it makes no difference? Who has been selling it without letting people know?[/p][/quote]Some people do care thats why they buy free range eggs & Chickens. Its called having standards and the quality that person wants....that is a persons personal choice if your paying for something. How can that happen if its not stated what your getting. Would anyone cry racist if i sold you a Mini & a Astra came instead ?[/p][/quote]But who's lying about it? Who is selling halal meat and passing it off as normal meat? And what is wrong with halal meat that has been stunned?[/p][/quote]So you are now saying that Halal is abnormal.[/p][/quote]As most meat in UK is non Halal I described it as normal because it is the norm. Now why don't you answer the question instead of trying to be clever? waka flocks flame
  • Score: -43

7:09pm Thu 15 May 14

mr.mark.c says...

waka flocks flame wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.
But why care if the meat is stunned it makes no difference? Who has been selling it without letting people know?
Some people do care thats why they buy free range eggs & Chickens. Its called having standards and the quality that person wants....that is a persons personal choice if your paying for something. How can that happen if its not stated what your getting. Would anyone cry racist if i sold you a Mini & a Astra came instead ?
But who's lying about it? Who is selling halal meat and passing it off as normal meat? And what is wrong with halal meat that has been stunned?
So you are now saying that Halal is abnormal.
As most meat in UK is non Halal I described it as normal because it is the norm. Now why don't you answer the question instead of trying to be clever?
Halal has to be blessed or it is not Halal, so why bless it for the non muslim market in the first place ?, the fact is that non muslims have been force fed a product that is not correctly labeled.
Is it to much to ask that it is ?
[quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.[/p][/quote]But why care if the meat is stunned it makes no difference? Who has been selling it without letting people know?[/p][/quote]Some people do care thats why they buy free range eggs & Chickens. Its called having standards and the quality that person wants....that is a persons personal choice if your paying for something. How can that happen if its not stated what your getting. Would anyone cry racist if i sold you a Mini & a Astra came instead ?[/p][/quote]But who's lying about it? Who is selling halal meat and passing it off as normal meat? And what is wrong with halal meat that has been stunned?[/p][/quote]So you are now saying that Halal is abnormal.[/p][/quote]As most meat in UK is non Halal I described it as normal because it is the norm. Now why don't you answer the question instead of trying to be clever?[/p][/quote]Halal has to be blessed or it is not Halal, so why bless it for the non muslim market in the first place ?, the fact is that non muslims have been force fed a product that is not correctly labeled. Is it to much to ask that it is ? mr.mark.c
  • Score: 41

7:14pm Thu 15 May 14

waka flocks flame says...

mr.mark.c wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.
But why care if the meat is stunned it makes no difference? Who has been selling it without letting people know?
Some people do care thats why they buy free range eggs & Chickens. Its called having standards and the quality that person wants....that is a persons personal choice if your paying for something. How can that happen if its not stated what your getting. Would anyone cry racist if i sold you a Mini & a Astra came instead ?
But who's lying about it? Who is selling halal meat and passing it off as normal meat? And what is wrong with halal meat that has been stunned?
So you are now saying that Halal is abnormal.
As most meat in UK is non Halal I described it as normal because it is the norm. Now why don't you answer the question instead of trying to be clever?
Halal has to be blessed or it is not Halal, so why bless it for the non muslim market in the first place ?, the fact is that non muslims have been force fed a product that is not correctly labeled.
Is it to much to ask that it is ?
Someone has been force feeding halal meat? First I've heard of anybody being force fed anything? So what you are saying is your objection is to the blessing? Surely the blessing only means something if you are Muslim? Are you a self hating Muslim?
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.[/p][/quote]But why care if the meat is stunned it makes no difference? Who has been selling it without letting people know?[/p][/quote]Some people do care thats why they buy free range eggs & Chickens. Its called having standards and the quality that person wants....that is a persons personal choice if your paying for something. How can that happen if its not stated what your getting. Would anyone cry racist if i sold you a Mini & a Astra came instead ?[/p][/quote]But who's lying about it? Who is selling halal meat and passing it off as normal meat? And what is wrong with halal meat that has been stunned?[/p][/quote]So you are now saying that Halal is abnormal.[/p][/quote]As most meat in UK is non Halal I described it as normal because it is the norm. Now why don't you answer the question instead of trying to be clever?[/p][/quote]Halal has to be blessed or it is not Halal, so why bless it for the non muslim market in the first place ?, the fact is that non muslims have been force fed a product that is not correctly labeled. Is it to much to ask that it is ?[/p][/quote]Someone has been force feeding halal meat? First I've heard of anybody being force fed anything? So what you are saying is your objection is to the blessing? Surely the blessing only means something if you are Muslim? Are you a self hating Muslim? waka flocks flame
  • Score: -44

7:14pm Thu 15 May 14

waka flocks flame says...

mr.mark.c wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.
But why care if the meat is stunned it makes no difference? Who has been selling it without letting people know?
Some people do care thats why they buy free range eggs & Chickens. Its called having standards and the quality that person wants....that is a persons personal choice if your paying for something. How can that happen if its not stated what your getting. Would anyone cry racist if i sold you a Mini & a Astra came instead ?
But who's lying about it? Who is selling halal meat and passing it off as normal meat? And what is wrong with halal meat that has been stunned?
So you are now saying that Halal is abnormal.
As most meat in UK is non Halal I described it as normal because it is the norm. Now why don't you answer the question instead of trying to be clever?
Halal has to be blessed or it is not Halal, so why bless it for the non muslim market in the first place ?, the fact is that non muslims have been force fed a product that is not correctly labeled.
Is it to much to ask that it is ?
Someone has been force feeding halal meat? First I've heard of anybody being force fed anything? So what you are saying is your objection is to the blessing? Surely the blessing only means something if you are Muslim? Are you a self hating Muslim?
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.[/p][/quote]But why care if the meat is stunned it makes no difference? Who has been selling it without letting people know?[/p][/quote]Some people do care thats why they buy free range eggs & Chickens. Its called having standards and the quality that person wants....that is a persons personal choice if your paying for something. How can that happen if its not stated what your getting. Would anyone cry racist if i sold you a Mini & a Astra came instead ?[/p][/quote]But who's lying about it? Who is selling halal meat and passing it off as normal meat? And what is wrong with halal meat that has been stunned?[/p][/quote]So you are now saying that Halal is abnormal.[/p][/quote]As most meat in UK is non Halal I described it as normal because it is the norm. Now why don't you answer the question instead of trying to be clever?[/p][/quote]Halal has to be blessed or it is not Halal, so why bless it for the non muslim market in the first place ?, the fact is that non muslims have been force fed a product that is not correctly labeled. Is it to much to ask that it is ?[/p][/quote]Someone has been force feeding halal meat? First I've heard of anybody being force fed anything? So what you are saying is your objection is to the blessing? Surely the blessing only means something if you are Muslim? Are you a self hating Muslim? waka flocks flame
  • Score: -9

7:22pm Thu 15 May 14

Thatissowrong says...

thomas222 wrote:
What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.
Spot on. I know I'll get called a racist for saying the following but it has to be said. Muslims are very quick to protest, take offence too easily and need to stop playing the racist card. You are a minority which is given leeway far in excess of your numbers in this country. Stop moaning. Oh I forgot - the more you shout the more concessions you get. It's very tedious.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.[/p][/quote]Spot on. I know I'll get called a racist for saying the following but it has to be said. Muslims are very quick to protest, take offence too easily and need to stop playing the racist card. You are a minority which is given leeway far in excess of your numbers in this country. Stop moaning. Oh I forgot - the more you shout the more concessions you get. It's very tedious. Thatissowrong
  • Score: 25

7:29pm Thu 15 May 14

The Righteous One says...

Truth is we have been eating Kosher meat for decades without realising and nothing was ever said. But now Kosher food has been re-labelled as Halal there is a mass uproar.

The Jewish community have had it the best for generations in not telling us on how the animals are slaughtered for their meat.

There is no difference, whatsoever between Kosher and Halal, but we are ready to accept Kosher over Halal wording!!!!!

But if want to be traditionalists, then lets not forget that according to Christian scriptures our meat is meant to bee gained in the exact same way as Kosher meat (primarily because Christianity is an off-shoot of Judaism) and so basically we are breaking our own tradition.
Truth is we have been eating Kosher meat for decades without realising and nothing was ever said. But now Kosher food has been re-labelled as Halal there is a mass uproar. The Jewish community have had it the best for generations in not telling us on how the animals are slaughtered for their meat. There is no difference, whatsoever between Kosher and Halal, but we are ready to accept Kosher over Halal wording!!!!! But if want to be traditionalists, then lets not forget that according to Christian scriptures our meat is meant to bee gained in the exact same way as Kosher meat (primarily because Christianity is an off-shoot of Judaism) and so basically we are breaking our own tradition. The Righteous One
  • Score: -4

7:40pm Thu 15 May 14

waka flocks flame says...

Thatissowrong wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.
Spot on. I know I'll get called a racist for saying the following but it has to be said. Muslims are very quick to protest, take offence too easily and need to stop playing the racist card. You are a minority which is given leeway far in excess of your numbers in this country. Stop moaning. Oh I forgot - the more you shout the more concessions you get. It's very tedious.
What concessions and leeway do Muslims get that non Muslims get?
[quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.[/p][/quote]Spot on. I know I'll get called a racist for saying the following but it has to be said. Muslims are very quick to protest, take offence too easily and need to stop playing the racist card. You are a minority which is given leeway far in excess of your numbers in this country. Stop moaning. Oh I forgot - the more you shout the more concessions you get. It's very tedious.[/p][/quote]What concessions and leeway do Muslims get that non Muslims get? waka flocks flame
  • Score: -12

7:40pm Thu 15 May 14

waka flocks flame says...

Thatissowrong wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.
Spot on. I know I'll get called a racist for saying the following but it has to be said. Muslims are very quick to protest, take offence too easily and need to stop playing the racist card. You are a minority which is given leeway far in excess of your numbers in this country. Stop moaning. Oh I forgot - the more you shout the more concessions you get. It's very tedious.
What concessions and leeway do Muslims get that non Muslims get?
[quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.[/p][/quote]Spot on. I know I'll get called a racist for saying the following but it has to be said. Muslims are very quick to protest, take offence too easily and need to stop playing the racist card. You are a minority which is given leeway far in excess of your numbers in this country. Stop moaning. Oh I forgot - the more you shout the more concessions you get. It's very tedious.[/p][/quote]What concessions and leeway do Muslims get that non Muslims get? waka flocks flame
  • Score: -7

7:43pm Thu 15 May 14

lv8151 says...

how would you feel if you was a Sikh who are told not to eat halal meat .... but buying it from a supermarket unlabelled to find out after it was halal ..... thats why we need to label all halal meat in supermarkets
how would you feel if you was a Sikh who are told not to eat halal meat .... but buying it from a supermarket unlabelled to find out after it was halal ..... thats why we need to label all halal meat in supermarkets lv8151
  • Score: 30

8:10pm Thu 15 May 14

Don't read daily mail says...

I can see both sides of the arguement but feel like papers like the sun are stirring up racial hatred. For instance the subway story, the muslims didnt ask subway to serve halal meat did they ?
I can see both sides of the arguement but feel like papers like the sun are stirring up racial hatred. For instance the subway story, the muslims didnt ask subway to serve halal meat did they ? Don't read daily mail
  • Score: -35

8:12pm Thu 15 May 14

waka flocks flame says...

lv8151 wrote:
how would you feel if you was a Sikh who are told not to eat halal meat .... but buying it from a supermarket unlabelled to find out after it was halal ..... thats why we need to label all halal meat in supermarkets
This is first reasonable argument presented so far.
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: how would you feel if you was a Sikh who are told not to eat halal meat .... but buying it from a supermarket unlabelled to find out after it was halal ..... thats why we need to label all halal meat in supermarkets[/p][/quote]This is first reasonable argument presented so far. waka flocks flame
  • Score: -29

8:12pm Thu 15 May 14

waka flocks flame says...

lv8151 wrote:
how would you feel if you was a Sikh who are told not to eat halal meat .... but buying it from a supermarket unlabelled to find out after it was halal ..... thats why we need to label all halal meat in supermarkets
This is first reasonable argument presented so far.
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: how would you feel if you was a Sikh who are told not to eat halal meat .... but buying it from a supermarket unlabelled to find out after it was halal ..... thats why we need to label all halal meat in supermarkets[/p][/quote]This is first reasonable argument presented so far. waka flocks flame
  • Score: 0

8:14pm Thu 15 May 14

Don't read daily mail says...

waka flocks flame wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
how would you feel if you was a Sikh who are told not to eat halal meat .... but buying it from a supermarket unlabelled to find out after it was halal ..... thats why we need to label all halal meat in supermarkets
This is first reasonable argument presented so far.
exactly, now would this be the fault of muslims or the supermarkets ?
[quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: how would you feel if you was a Sikh who are told not to eat halal meat .... but buying it from a supermarket unlabelled to find out after it was halal ..... thats why we need to label all halal meat in supermarkets[/p][/quote]This is first reasonable argument presented so far.[/p][/quote]exactly, now would this be the fault of muslims or the supermarkets ? Don't read daily mail
  • Score: -21

8:22pm Thu 15 May 14

jellbellkell says...

Smh at some of these pig ignorent comments !!

LABEL IT WHAT IS THE PROBLEM?!?!?

Cheap horrid halal meat that's took over in schools,hospitals etc disgraceful!!

Rant over & you know where you can stick your rascist card!!
Smh at some of these pig ignorent comments !! LABEL IT WHAT IS THE PROBLEM?!?!? Cheap horrid halal meat that's took over in schools,hospitals etc disgraceful!! Rant over & you know where you can stick your rascist card!! jellbellkell
  • Score: 7

8:22pm Thu 15 May 14

wassupp says...

So much fuss over Halal meat when most of us have probably been eating horse meat at some point.
So much fuss over Halal meat when most of us have probably been eating horse meat at some point. wassupp
  • Score: -10

8:24pm Thu 15 May 14

lv8151 says...

Don't read daily mail wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
how would you feel if you was a Sikh who are told not to eat halal meat .... but buying it from a supermarket unlabelled to find out after it was halal ..... thats why we need to label all halal meat in supermarkets
This is first reasonable argument presented so far.
exactly, now would this be the fault of muslims or the supermarkets ?
it would be the fault of the supermarkets of course .... i dont blame the muslims ..... its still not right though .... we should know what we are buying and it should be labelled
[quote][p][bold]Don't read daily mail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: how would you feel if you was a Sikh who are told not to eat halal meat .... but buying it from a supermarket unlabelled to find out after it was halal ..... thats why we need to label all halal meat in supermarkets[/p][/quote]This is first reasonable argument presented so far.[/p][/quote]exactly, now would this be the fault of muslims or the supermarkets ?[/p][/quote]it would be the fault of the supermarkets of course .... i dont blame the muslims ..... its still not right though .... we should know what we are buying and it should be labelled lv8151
  • Score: 9

8:25pm Thu 15 May 14

Don't read daily mail says...

jellbellkell wrote:
Smh at some of these pig ignorent comments !!

LABEL IT WHAT IS THE PROBLEM?!?!?

Cheap horrid halal meat that's took over in schools,hospitals etc disgraceful!!

Rant over & you know where you can stick your rascist card!!
who's playing the racist card ?
[quote][p][bold]jellbellkell[/bold] wrote: Smh at some of these pig ignorent comments !! LABEL IT WHAT IS THE PROBLEM?!?!? Cheap horrid halal meat that's took over in schools,hospitals etc disgraceful!! Rant over & you know where you can stick your rascist card!![/p][/quote]who's playing the racist card ? Don't read daily mail
  • Score: -23

8:28pm Thu 15 May 14

Don't read daily mail says...

lv8151 wrote:
Don't read daily mail wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
how would you feel if you was a Sikh who are told not to eat halal meat .... but buying it from a supermarket unlabelled to find out after it was halal ..... thats why we need to label all halal meat in supermarkets
This is first reasonable argument presented so far.
exactly, now would this be the fault of muslims or the supermarkets ?
it would be the fault of the supermarkets of course .... i dont blame the muslims ..... its still not right though .... we should know what we are buying and it should be labelled
exactly, but I don't think the sun had this view when printing this story, The have chosen this story to sell more papers. Lets face it, this is what they want to do at the end of the day. Doesnt matter what the consequences !
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don't read daily mail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: how would you feel if you was a Sikh who are told not to eat halal meat .... but buying it from a supermarket unlabelled to find out after it was halal ..... thats why we need to label all halal meat in supermarkets[/p][/quote]This is first reasonable argument presented so far.[/p][/quote]exactly, now would this be the fault of muslims or the supermarkets ?[/p][/quote]it would be the fault of the supermarkets of course .... i dont blame the muslims ..... its still not right though .... we should know what we are buying and it should be labelled[/p][/quote]exactly, but I don't think the sun had this view when printing this story, The have chosen this story to sell more papers. Lets face it, this is what they want to do at the end of the day. Doesnt matter what the consequences ! Don't read daily mail
  • Score: -11

8:30pm Thu 15 May 14

lv8151 says...

Don't read daily mail wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
Don't read daily mail wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
how would you feel if you was a Sikh who are told not to eat halal meat .... but buying it from a supermarket unlabelled to find out after it was halal ..... thats why we need to label all halal meat in supermarkets
This is first reasonable argument presented so far.
exactly, now would this be the fault of muslims or the supermarkets ?
it would be the fault of the supermarkets of course .... i dont blame the muslims ..... its still not right though .... we should know what we are buying and it should be labelled
exactly, but I don't think the sun had this view when printing this story, The have chosen this story to sell more papers. Lets face it, this is what they want to do at the end of the day. Doesnt matter what the consequences !
i didn't see the article and don't read the sun ..... they have probably blown it out of proportion but it is still something that needs to be addressed
[quote][p][bold]Don't read daily mail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don't read daily mail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: how would you feel if you was a Sikh who are told not to eat halal meat .... but buying it from a supermarket unlabelled to find out after it was halal ..... thats why we need to label all halal meat in supermarkets[/p][/quote]This is first reasonable argument presented so far.[/p][/quote]exactly, now would this be the fault of muslims or the supermarkets ?[/p][/quote]it would be the fault of the supermarkets of course .... i dont blame the muslims ..... its still not right though .... we should know what we are buying and it should be labelled[/p][/quote]exactly, but I don't think the sun had this view when printing this story, The have chosen this story to sell more papers. Lets face it, this is what they want to do at the end of the day. Doesnt matter what the consequences ![/p][/quote]i didn't see the article and don't read the sun ..... they have probably blown it out of proportion but it is still something that needs to be addressed lv8151
  • Score: 5

8:31pm Thu 15 May 14

Don't read daily mail says...

Another question, honest answer please.. If you went to a local supermarket and you chicken labeled non-halal and halal, except halal chicken was £1 cheaper, would you still not buy halal chicken ?
Another question, honest answer please.. If you went to a local supermarket and you chicken labeled non-halal and halal, except halal chicken was £1 cheaper, would you still not buy halal chicken ? Don't read daily mail
  • Score: -34

8:33pm Thu 15 May 14

Don't read daily mail says...

lv8151 wrote:
Don't read daily mail wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
Don't read daily mail wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
how would you feel if you was a Sikh who are told not to eat halal meat .... but buying it from a supermarket unlabelled to find out after it was halal ..... thats why we need to label all halal meat in supermarkets
This is first reasonable argument presented so far.
exactly, now would this be the fault of muslims or the supermarkets ?
it would be the fault of the supermarkets of course .... i dont blame the muslims ..... its still not right though .... we should know what we are buying and it should be labelled
exactly, but I don't think the sun had this view when printing this story, The have chosen this story to sell more papers. Lets face it, this is what they want to do at the end of the day. Doesnt matter what the consequences !
i didn't see the article and don't read the sun ..... they have probably blown it out of proportion but it is still something that needs to be addressed
I agree, but people address it in the wrong ways. Why arent they complaining to the supermarkets or to subway ?
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don't read daily mail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don't read daily mail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: how would you feel if you was a Sikh who are told not to eat halal meat .... but buying it from a supermarket unlabelled to find out after it was halal ..... thats why we need to label all halal meat in supermarkets[/p][/quote]This is first reasonable argument presented so far.[/p][/quote]exactly, now would this be the fault of muslims or the supermarkets ?[/p][/quote]it would be the fault of the supermarkets of course .... i dont blame the muslims ..... its still not right though .... we should know what we are buying and it should be labelled[/p][/quote]exactly, but I don't think the sun had this view when printing this story, The have chosen this story to sell more papers. Lets face it, this is what they want to do at the end of the day. Doesnt matter what the consequences ![/p][/quote]i didn't see the article and don't read the sun ..... they have probably blown it out of proportion but it is still something that needs to be addressed[/p][/quote]I agree, but people address it in the wrong ways. Why arent they complaining to the supermarkets or to subway ? Don't read daily mail
  • Score: -14

8:37pm Thu 15 May 14

lv8151 says...

Don't read daily mail wrote:
Another question, honest answer please.. If you went to a local supermarket and you chicken labeled non-halal and halal, except halal chicken was £1 cheaper, would you still not buy halal chicken ?
probably the cheaper 1 as long as it was free range ..... halal makes no odds really to me as i eat in as many curry houses as the next man ..... but for a lot of people it does matter and therefore labeling would cost very little
[quote][p][bold]Don't read daily mail[/bold] wrote: Another question, honest answer please.. If you went to a local supermarket and you chicken labeled non-halal and halal, except halal chicken was £1 cheaper, would you still not buy halal chicken ?[/p][/quote]probably the cheaper 1 as long as it was free range ..... halal makes no odds really to me as i eat in as many curry houses as the next man ..... but for a lot of people it does matter and therefore labeling would cost very little lv8151
  • Score: -25

8:38pm Thu 15 May 14

thomas222 says...

waka flocks flame wrote:
Thatissowrong wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.
Spot on. I know I'll get called a racist for saying the following but it has to be said. Muslims are very quick to protest, take offence too easily and need to stop playing the racist card. You are a minority which is given leeway far in excess of your numbers in this country. Stop moaning. Oh I forgot - the more you shout the more concessions you get. It's very tedious.
What concessions and leeway do Muslims get that non Muslims get?
Do you want to know the food you are eating is Halal ?. I want to know its not. What is wrong with that ?.
[quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.[/p][/quote]Spot on. I know I'll get called a racist for saying the following but it has to be said. Muslims are very quick to protest, take offence too easily and need to stop playing the racist card. You are a minority which is given leeway far in excess of your numbers in this country. Stop moaning. Oh I forgot - the more you shout the more concessions you get. It's very tedious.[/p][/quote]What concessions and leeway do Muslims get that non Muslims get?[/p][/quote]Do you want to know the food you are eating is Halal ?. I want to know its not. What is wrong with that ?. thomas222
  • Score: 38

8:39pm Thu 15 May 14

Beyond News Forum says...

mr.mark.c wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
Curry houses have been serving Halal meat for years but now its suddenly a problem? Subways in Bolton have been Halal for years and clearly labeled as such. Nearly all Halal meat is stunned anyway and the meat that isn't you would have to buy from a Halal butcher. If you've still got concerns about it ask before you buy.
Serve muslims non Halal without telling them and see what happens when they find out.
Uproar when it happened in a Bolton school.

I do not want 'blessed' halal meat. I'm not a Muslim pure and simple.
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: Curry houses have been serving Halal meat for years but now its suddenly a problem? Subways in Bolton have been Halal for years and clearly labeled as such. Nearly all Halal meat is stunned anyway and the meat that isn't you would have to buy from a Halal butcher. If you've still got concerns about it ask before you buy.[/p][/quote]Serve muslims non Halal without telling them and see what happens when they find out.[/p][/quote]Uproar when it happened in a Bolton school. I do not want 'blessed' halal meat. I'm not a Muslim pure and simple. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 40

8:40pm Thu 15 May 14

Don't read daily mail says...

lv8151 wrote:
Don't read daily mail wrote:
Another question, honest answer please.. If you went to a local supermarket and you chicken labeled non-halal and halal, except halal chicken was £1 cheaper, would you still not buy halal chicken ?
probably the cheaper 1 as long as it was free range ..... halal makes no odds really to me as i eat in as many curry houses as the next man ..... but for a lot of people it does matter and therefore labeling would cost very little
Thanks fr the honest answer
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don't read daily mail[/bold] wrote: Another question, honest answer please.. If you went to a local supermarket and you chicken labeled non-halal and halal, except halal chicken was £1 cheaper, would you still not buy halal chicken ?[/p][/quote]probably the cheaper 1 as long as it was free range ..... halal makes no odds really to me as i eat in as many curry houses as the next man ..... but for a lot of people it does matter and therefore labeling would cost very little[/p][/quote]Thanks fr the honest answer Don't read daily mail
  • Score: -31

8:41pm Thu 15 May 14

Don't read daily mail says...

thomas222 wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
Thatissowrong wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.
Spot on. I know I'll get called a racist for saying the following but it has to be said. Muslims are very quick to protest, take offence too easily and need to stop playing the racist card. You are a minority which is given leeway far in excess of your numbers in this country. Stop moaning. Oh I forgot - the more you shout the more concessions you get. It's very tedious.
What concessions and leeway do Muslims get that non Muslims get?
Do you want to know the food you are eating is Halal ?. I want to know its not. What is wrong with that ?.
nothin wrong with that mate, except alot of people think its the fault of the muslims. i.e when in rome ____
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.[/p][/quote]Spot on. I know I'll get called a racist for saying the following but it has to be said. Muslims are very quick to protest, take offence too easily and need to stop playing the racist card. You are a minority which is given leeway far in excess of your numbers in this country. Stop moaning. Oh I forgot - the more you shout the more concessions you get. It's very tedious.[/p][/quote]What concessions and leeway do Muslims get that non Muslims get?[/p][/quote]Do you want to know the food you are eating is Halal ?. I want to know its not. What is wrong with that ?.[/p][/quote]nothin wrong with that mate, except alot of people think its the fault of the muslims. i.e when in rome ____ Don't read daily mail
  • Score: -32

8:43pm Thu 15 May 14

thomas222 says...

I feel its 100 % correct for Muslim People to eat Halal food if thats what they want. I also feel its also correct for someone who does not want to buy Halal food the same choice. What is Racist about that ?.
I feel its 100 % correct for Muslim People to eat Halal food if thats what they want. I also feel its also correct for someone who does not want to buy Halal food the same choice. What is Racist about that ?. thomas222
  • Score: 45

8:43pm Thu 15 May 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
Thatissowrong wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.
Spot on. I know I'll get called a racist for saying the following but it has to be said. Muslims are very quick to protest, take offence too easily and need to stop playing the racist card. You are a minority which is given leeway far in excess of your numbers in this country. Stop moaning. Oh I forgot - the more you shout the more concessions you get. It's very tedious.
What concessions and leeway do Muslims get that non Muslims get?
Do you want to know the food you are eating is Halal ?. I want to know its not. What is wrong with that ?.
And how many kebabs, or burgers, have you had after a night out without asking whether its halal or not, or even had a meal with a Muslim family and offended them by asking if its Halal or not?

Have you ever eaten with a Jewish family, or at a Jewish owned restaurant, and offended them by asking if its Kosher or not?

Just because you don't want to eat Kosher/Halal food?

oh and thomas222, on more thing....

1:32pm Thu 15 May 14
thomas222 says...
"Enoug now im away from here untill after the election"
in the thread titled "Racism and bigotry have many forms"
http://www.thebolton
news.co.uk/comment/c
omment/11211658.Raci
sm_and_bigotry_have_
many_forms/#comments
List

DID YOU LIE ABOUT LEAVING THIS SITE UNTIL AFTER THE ELECTIONS - YES OR NO?
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.[/p][/quote]Spot on. I know I'll get called a racist for saying the following but it has to be said. Muslims are very quick to protest, take offence too easily and need to stop playing the racist card. You are a minority which is given leeway far in excess of your numbers in this country. Stop moaning. Oh I forgot - the more you shout the more concessions you get. It's very tedious.[/p][/quote]What concessions and leeway do Muslims get that non Muslims get?[/p][/quote]Do you want to know the food you are eating is Halal ?. I want to know its not. What is wrong with that ?.[/p][/quote]And how many kebabs, or burgers, have you had after a night out without asking whether its halal or not, or even had a meal with a Muslim family and offended them by asking if its Halal or not? Have you ever eaten with a Jewish family, or at a Jewish owned restaurant, and offended them by asking if its Kosher or not? Just because you don't want to eat Kosher/Halal food? oh and thomas222, on more thing.... 1:32pm Thu 15 May 14 thomas222 says... "Enoug now im away from here untill after the election" in the thread titled "Racism and bigotry have many forms" http://www.thebolton news.co.uk/comment/c omment/11211658.Raci sm_and_bigotry_have_ many_forms/#comments List DID YOU LIE ABOUT LEAVING THIS SITE UNTIL AFTER THE ELECTIONS - YES OR NO? The Righteous One
  • Score: -4

8:45pm Thu 15 May 14

Beyond News Forum says...

waka flocks flame wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.
But why care if the meat is stunned it makes no difference? Who has been selling it without letting people know?
Some people do care thats why they buy free range eggs & Chickens. Its called having standards and the quality that person wants....that is a persons personal choice if your paying for something. How can that happen if its not stated what your getting. Would anyone cry racist if i sold you a Mini & a Astra came instead ?
But who's lying about it? Who is selling halal meat and passing it off as normal meat? And what is wrong with halal meat that has been stunned?
So you are now saying that Halal is abnormal.
As most meat in UK is non Halal I described it as normal because it is the norm. Now why don't you answer the question instead of trying to be clever?
Halal has to be blessed or it is not Halal, so why bless it for the non muslim market in the first place ?, the fact is that non muslims have been force fed a product that is not correctly labeled.
Is it to much to ask that it is ?
Someone has been force feeding halal meat? First I've heard of anybody being force fed anything? So what you are saying is your objection is to the blessing? Surely the blessing only means something if you are Muslim? Are you a self hating Muslim?
Answer the question. Is it okay to feed Muslims with non-halal meat without telling them?

Answer...
[quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.[/p][/quote]But why care if the meat is stunned it makes no difference? Who has been selling it without letting people know?[/p][/quote]Some people do care thats why they buy free range eggs & Chickens. Its called having standards and the quality that person wants....that is a persons personal choice if your paying for something. How can that happen if its not stated what your getting. Would anyone cry racist if i sold you a Mini & a Astra came instead ?[/p][/quote]But who's lying about it? Who is selling halal meat and passing it off as normal meat? And what is wrong with halal meat that has been stunned?[/p][/quote]So you are now saying that Halal is abnormal.[/p][/quote]As most meat in UK is non Halal I described it as normal because it is the norm. Now why don't you answer the question instead of trying to be clever?[/p][/quote]Halal has to be blessed or it is not Halal, so why bless it for the non muslim market in the first place ?, the fact is that non muslims have been force fed a product that is not correctly labeled. Is it to much to ask that it is ?[/p][/quote]Someone has been force feeding halal meat? First I've heard of anybody being force fed anything? So what you are saying is your objection is to the blessing? Surely the blessing only means something if you are Muslim? Are you a self hating Muslim?[/p][/quote]Answer the question. Is it okay to feed Muslims with non-halal meat without telling them? Answer... Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 22

8:46pm Thu 15 May 14

The Righteous One says...

lv8151 wrote:
Don't read daily mail wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
Don't read daily mail wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
how would you feel if you was a Sikh who are told not to eat halal meat .... but buying it from a supermarket unlabelled to find out after it was halal ..... thats why we need to label all halal meat in supermarkets
This is first reasonable argument presented so far.
exactly, now would this be the fault of muslims or the supermarkets ?
it would be the fault of the supermarkets of course .... i dont blame the muslims ..... its still not right though .... we should know what we are buying and it should be labelled
exactly, but I don't think the sun had this view when printing this story, The have chosen this story to sell more papers. Lets face it, this is what they want to do at the end of the day. Doesnt matter what the consequences !
i didn't see the article and don't read the sun ..... they have probably blown it out of proportion but it is still something that needs to be addressed
But if the clamouring for it to be addressed now is loud, then why wasn't it this loud when Kosher meat was being sold adhoc and people didn't know. Even now Kosher food is not labelled!

But lets not forget that Kosher and Halal are prepared in exactly the same way!!!
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don't read daily mail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don't read daily mail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: how would you feel if you was a Sikh who are told not to eat halal meat .... but buying it from a supermarket unlabelled to find out after it was halal ..... thats why we need to label all halal meat in supermarkets[/p][/quote]This is first reasonable argument presented so far.[/p][/quote]exactly, now would this be the fault of muslims or the supermarkets ?[/p][/quote]it would be the fault of the supermarkets of course .... i dont blame the muslims ..... its still not right though .... we should know what we are buying and it should be labelled[/p][/quote]exactly, but I don't think the sun had this view when printing this story, The have chosen this story to sell more papers. Lets face it, this is what they want to do at the end of the day. Doesnt matter what the consequences ![/p][/quote]i didn't see the article and don't read the sun ..... they have probably blown it out of proportion but it is still something that needs to be addressed[/p][/quote]But if the clamouring for it to be addressed now is loud, then why wasn't it this loud when Kosher meat was being sold adhoc and people didn't know. Even now Kosher food is not labelled! But lets not forget that Kosher and Halal are prepared in exactly the same way!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -35

8:47pm Thu 15 May 14

Don't read daily mail says...

thomas222 wrote:
I feel its 100 % correct for Muslim People to eat Halal food if thats what they want. I also feel its also correct for someone who does not want to buy Halal food the same choice. What is Racist about that ?.
". Muslims are very quick to protest, take offence too easily and need to stop playing the racist card. You are a minority which is given leeway far in excess of your numbers in this country." Was this one of your comments earlier, rather generalise don't you think. This is my point, do you think a muslim went into the supermarket and demanded halal meat or d it make business sense to he supermarket ?
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: I feel its 100 % correct for Muslim People to eat Halal food if thats what they want. I also feel its also correct for someone who does not want to buy Halal food the same choice. What is Racist about that ?.[/p][/quote]". Muslims are very quick to protest, take offence too easily and need to stop playing the racist card. You are a minority which is given leeway far in excess of your numbers in this country." Was this one of your comments earlier, rather generalise don't you think. This is my point, do you think a muslim went into the supermarket and demanded halal meat or d it make business sense to he supermarket ? Don't read daily mail
  • Score: -30

8:48pm Thu 15 May 14

Don't read daily mail says...

Beyond News Forum wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.
But why care if the meat is stunned it makes no difference? Who has been selling it without letting people know?
Some people do care thats why they buy free range eggs & Chickens. Its called having standards and the quality that person wants....that is a persons personal choice if your paying for something. How can that happen if its not stated what your getting. Would anyone cry racist if i sold you a Mini & a Astra came instead ?
But who's lying about it? Who is selling halal meat and passing it off as normal meat? And what is wrong with halal meat that has been stunned?
So you are now saying that Halal is abnormal.
As most meat in UK is non Halal I described it as normal because it is the norm. Now why don't you answer the question instead of trying to be clever?
Halal has to be blessed or it is not Halal, so why bless it for the non muslim market in the first place ?, the fact is that non muslims have been force fed a product that is not correctly labeled.
Is it to much to ask that it is ?
Someone has been force feeding halal meat? First I've heard of anybody being force fed anything? So what you are saying is your objection is to the blessing? Surely the blessing only means something if you are Muslim? Are you a self hating Muslim?
Answer the question. Is it okay to feed Muslims with non-halal meat without telling them?

Answer...
a muslim wouldnt eat meat that isn't labeled halal
[quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.[/p][/quote]But why care if the meat is stunned it makes no difference? Who has been selling it without letting people know?[/p][/quote]Some people do care thats why they buy free range eggs & Chickens. Its called having standards and the quality that person wants....that is a persons personal choice if your paying for something. How can that happen if its not stated what your getting. Would anyone cry racist if i sold you a Mini & a Astra came instead ?[/p][/quote]But who's lying about it? Who is selling halal meat and passing it off as normal meat? And what is wrong with halal meat that has been stunned?[/p][/quote]So you are now saying that Halal is abnormal.[/p][/quote]As most meat in UK is non Halal I described it as normal because it is the norm. Now why don't you answer the question instead of trying to be clever?[/p][/quote]Halal has to be blessed or it is not Halal, so why bless it for the non muslim market in the first place ?, the fact is that non muslims have been force fed a product that is not correctly labeled. Is it to much to ask that it is ?[/p][/quote]Someone has been force feeding halal meat? First I've heard of anybody being force fed anything? So what you are saying is your objection is to the blessing? Surely the blessing only means something if you are Muslim? Are you a self hating Muslim?[/p][/quote]Answer the question. Is it okay to feed Muslims with non-halal meat without telling them? Answer...[/p][/quote]a muslim wouldnt eat meat that isn't labeled halal Don't read daily mail
  • Score: -14

8:48pm Thu 15 May 14

mr.mark.c says...

waka flocks flame wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.
But why care if the meat is stunned it makes no difference? Who has been selling it without letting people know?
Some people do care thats why they buy free range eggs & Chickens. Its called having standards and the quality that person wants....that is a persons personal choice if your paying for something. How can that happen if its not stated what your getting. Would anyone cry racist if i sold you a Mini & a Astra came instead ?
But who's lying about it? Who is selling halal meat and passing it off as normal meat? And what is wrong with halal meat that has been stunned?
So you are now saying that Halal is abnormal.
As most meat in UK is non Halal I described it as normal because it is the norm. Now why don't you answer the question instead of trying to be clever?
Halal has to be blessed or it is not Halal, so why bless it for the non muslim market in the first place ?, the fact is that non muslims have been force fed a product that is not correctly labeled.
Is it to much to ask that it is ?
Someone has been force feeding halal meat? First I've heard of anybody being force fed anything? So what you are saying is your objection is to the blessing? Surely the blessing only means something if you are Muslim? Are you a self hating Muslim?
A self hating muslim
No I am not a muslim but I do have muslim friends that also think it is wrong to feed non muslims blessed meat without them knowing, just the same as feeding a muslim non halal meat while letting them think it is halal.
You seem to have a problem with freedom of choice, are you an extremist ?
[quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.[/p][/quote]But why care if the meat is stunned it makes no difference? Who has been selling it without letting people know?[/p][/quote]Some people do care thats why they buy free range eggs & Chickens. Its called having standards and the quality that person wants....that is a persons personal choice if your paying for something. How can that happen if its not stated what your getting. Would anyone cry racist if i sold you a Mini & a Astra came instead ?[/p][/quote]But who's lying about it? Who is selling halal meat and passing it off as normal meat? And what is wrong with halal meat that has been stunned?[/p][/quote]So you are now saying that Halal is abnormal.[/p][/quote]As most meat in UK is non Halal I described it as normal because it is the norm. Now why don't you answer the question instead of trying to be clever?[/p][/quote]Halal has to be blessed or it is not Halal, so why bless it for the non muslim market in the first place ?, the fact is that non muslims have been force fed a product that is not correctly labeled. Is it to much to ask that it is ?[/p][/quote]Someone has been force feeding halal meat? First I've heard of anybody being force fed anything? So what you are saying is your objection is to the blessing? Surely the blessing only means something if you are Muslim? Are you a self hating Muslim?[/p][/quote]A self hating muslim No I am not a muslim but I do have muslim friends that also think it is wrong to feed non muslims blessed meat without them knowing, just the same as feeding a muslim non halal meat while letting them think it is halal. You seem to have a problem with freedom of choice, are you an extremist ? mr.mark.c
  • Score: 5

8:48pm Thu 15 May 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Don't read daily mail wrote:
jellbellkell wrote:
Smh at some of these pig ignorent comments !!

LABEL IT WHAT IS THE PROBLEM?!?!?

Cheap horrid halal meat that's took over in schools,hospitals etc disgraceful!!

Rant over & you know where you can stick your rascist card!!
who's playing the racist card ?
You cannot be racist when debating a religion... contextual answer is Islamophobic, but then you have to prove a fear of... so the race card debate is over.
[quote][p][bold]Don't read daily mail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jellbellkell[/bold] wrote: Smh at some of these pig ignorent comments !! LABEL IT WHAT IS THE PROBLEM?!?!? Cheap horrid halal meat that's took over in schools,hospitals etc disgraceful!! Rant over & you know where you can stick your rascist card!![/p][/quote]who's playing the racist card ?[/p][/quote]You cannot be racist when debating a religion... contextual answer is Islamophobic, but then you have to prove a fear of... so the race card debate is over. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 2

8:51pm Thu 15 May 14

lv8151 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
Don't read daily mail wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
Don't read daily mail wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
how would you feel if you was a Sikh who are told not to eat halal meat .... but buying it from a supermarket unlabelled to find out after it was halal ..... thats why we need to label all halal meat in supermarkets
This is first reasonable argument presented so far.
exactly, now would this be the fault of muslims or the supermarkets ?
it would be the fault of the supermarkets of course .... i dont blame the muslims ..... its still not right though .... we should know what we are buying and it should be labelled
exactly, but I don't think the sun had this view when printing this story, The have chosen this story to sell more papers. Lets face it, this is what they want to do at the end of the day. Doesnt matter what the consequences !
i didn't see the article and don't read the sun ..... they have probably blown it out of proportion but it is still something that needs to be addressed
But if the clamouring for it to be addressed now is loud, then why wasn't it this loud when Kosher meat was being sold adhoc and people didn't know. Even now Kosher food is not labelled!

But lets not forget that Kosher and Halal are prepared in exactly the same way!!!
evening Mr Amos
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don't read daily mail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don't read daily mail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: how would you feel if you was a Sikh who are told not to eat halal meat .... but buying it from a supermarket unlabelled to find out after it was halal ..... thats why we need to label all halal meat in supermarkets[/p][/quote]This is first reasonable argument presented so far.[/p][/quote]exactly, now would this be the fault of muslims or the supermarkets ?[/p][/quote]it would be the fault of the supermarkets of course .... i dont blame the muslims ..... its still not right though .... we should know what we are buying and it should be labelled[/p][/quote]exactly, but I don't think the sun had this view when printing this story, The have chosen this story to sell more papers. Lets face it, this is what they want to do at the end of the day. Doesnt matter what the consequences ![/p][/quote]i didn't see the article and don't read the sun ..... they have probably blown it out of proportion but it is still something that needs to be addressed[/p][/quote]But if the clamouring for it to be addressed now is loud, then why wasn't it this loud when Kosher meat was being sold adhoc and people didn't know. Even now Kosher food is not labelled! But lets not forget that Kosher and Halal are prepared in exactly the same way!!![/p][/quote]evening Mr Amos lv8151
  • Score: -4

8:52pm Thu 15 May 14

thomas222 says...

Don't read daily mail wrote:
I can see both sides of the arguement but feel like papers like the sun are stirring up racial hatred. For instance the subway story, the muslims didnt ask subway to serve halal meat did they ?
No & they did not tell people they did. Thats the problem.......
[quote][p][bold]Don't read daily mail[/bold] wrote: I can see both sides of the arguement but feel like papers like the sun are stirring up racial hatred. For instance the subway story, the muslims didnt ask subway to serve halal meat did they ?[/p][/quote]No & they did not tell people they did. Thats the problem....... thomas222
  • Score: 14

8:52pm Thu 15 May 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Don't read daily mail wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.
But why care if the meat is stunned it makes no difference? Who has been selling it without letting people know?
Some people do care thats why they buy free range eggs & Chickens. Its called having standards and the quality that person wants....that is a persons personal choice if your paying for something. How can that happen if its not stated what your getting. Would anyone cry racist if i sold you a Mini & a Astra came instead ?
But who's lying about it? Who is selling halal meat and passing it off as normal meat? And what is wrong with halal meat that has been stunned?
So you are now saying that Halal is abnormal.
As most meat in UK is non Halal I described it as normal because it is the norm. Now why don't you answer the question instead of trying to be clever?
Halal has to be blessed or it is not Halal, so why bless it for the non muslim market in the first place ?, the fact is that non muslims have been force fed a product that is not correctly labeled.
Is it to much to ask that it is ?
Someone has been force feeding halal meat? First I've heard of anybody being force fed anything? So what you are saying is your objection is to the blessing? Surely the blessing only means something if you are Muslim? Are you a self hating Muslim?
Answer the question. Is it okay to feed Muslims with non-halal meat without telling them?

Answer...
a muslim wouldnt eat meat that isn't labeled halal
Answer... is it okay for Muslims to eat meat that is non-halal if they thought they were eating non-halal meat? Stop trying to be clever...
[quote][p][bold]Don't read daily mail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.[/p][/quote]But why care if the meat is stunned it makes no difference? Who has been selling it without letting people know?[/p][/quote]Some people do care thats why they buy free range eggs & Chickens. Its called having standards and the quality that person wants....that is a persons personal choice if your paying for something. How can that happen if its not stated what your getting. Would anyone cry racist if i sold you a Mini & a Astra came instead ?[/p][/quote]But who's lying about it? Who is selling halal meat and passing it off as normal meat? And what is wrong with halal meat that has been stunned?[/p][/quote]So you are now saying that Halal is abnormal.[/p][/quote]As most meat in UK is non Halal I described it as normal because it is the norm. Now why don't you answer the question instead of trying to be clever?[/p][/quote]Halal has to be blessed or it is not Halal, so why bless it for the non muslim market in the first place ?, the fact is that non muslims have been force fed a product that is not correctly labeled. Is it to much to ask that it is ?[/p][/quote]Someone has been force feeding halal meat? First I've heard of anybody being force fed anything? So what you are saying is your objection is to the blessing? Surely the blessing only means something if you are Muslim? Are you a self hating Muslim?[/p][/quote]Answer the question. Is it okay to feed Muslims with non-halal meat without telling them? Answer...[/p][/quote]a muslim wouldnt eat meat that isn't labeled halal[/p][/quote]Answer... is it okay for Muslims to eat meat that is non-halal if they thought they were eating non-halal meat? Stop trying to be clever... Beyond News Forum
  • Score: -2

8:55pm Thu 15 May 14

thomas222 says...

Don't read daily mail wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.
But why care if the meat is stunned it makes no difference? Who has been selling it without letting people know?
Some people do care thats why they buy free range eggs & Chickens. Its called having standards and the quality that person wants....that is a persons personal choice if your paying for something. How can that happen if its not stated what your getting. Would anyone cry racist if i sold you a Mini & a Astra came instead ?
But who's lying about it? Who is selling halal meat and passing it off as normal meat? And what is wrong with halal meat that has been stunned?
So you are now saying that Halal is abnormal.
As most meat in UK is non Halal I described it as normal because it is the norm. Now why don't you answer the question instead of trying to be clever?
Halal has to be blessed or it is not Halal, so why bless it for the non muslim market in the first place ?, the fact is that non muslims have been force fed a product that is not correctly labeled.
Is it to much to ask that it is ?
Someone has been force feeding halal meat? First I've heard of anybody being force fed anything? So what you are saying is your objection is to the blessing? Surely the blessing only means something if you are Muslim? Are you a self hating Muslim?
Answer the question. Is it okay to feed Muslims with non-halal meat without telling them?

Answer...
a muslim wouldnt eat meat that isn't labeled halal
Thank you neither do we now we know whats going on... What is wrong with that ?.
[quote][p][bold]Don't read daily mail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.[/p][/quote]But why care if the meat is stunned it makes no difference? Who has been selling it without letting people know?[/p][/quote]Some people do care thats why they buy free range eggs & Chickens. Its called having standards and the quality that person wants....that is a persons personal choice if your paying for something. How can that happen if its not stated what your getting. Would anyone cry racist if i sold you a Mini & a Astra came instead ?[/p][/quote]But who's lying about it? Who is selling halal meat and passing it off as normal meat? And what is wrong with halal meat that has been stunned?[/p][/quote]So you are now saying that Halal is abnormal.[/p][/quote]As most meat in UK is non Halal I described it as normal because it is the norm. Now why don't you answer the question instead of trying to be clever?[/p][/quote]Halal has to be blessed or it is not Halal, so why bless it for the non muslim market in the first place ?, the fact is that non muslims have been force fed a product that is not correctly labeled. Is it to much to ask that it is ?[/p][/quote]Someone has been force feeding halal meat? First I've heard of anybody being force fed anything? So what you are saying is your objection is to the blessing? Surely the blessing only means something if you are Muslim? Are you a self hating Muslim?[/p][/quote]Answer the question. Is it okay to feed Muslims with non-halal meat without telling them? Answer...[/p][/quote]a muslim wouldnt eat meat that isn't labeled halal[/p][/quote]Thank you neither do we now we know whats going on... What is wrong with that ?. thomas222
  • Score: -3

8:55pm Thu 15 May 14

Don't read daily mail says...

Beyond News Forum wrote:
Don't read daily mail wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.
But why care if the meat is stunned it makes no difference? Who has been selling it without letting people know?
Some people do care thats why they buy free range eggs & Chickens. Its called having standards and the quality that person wants....that is a persons personal choice if your paying for something. How can that happen if its not stated what your getting. Would anyone cry racist if i sold you a Mini & a Astra came instead ?
But who's lying about it? Who is selling halal meat and passing it off as normal meat? And what is wrong with halal meat that has been stunned?
So you are now saying that Halal is abnormal.
As most meat in UK is non Halal I described it as normal because it is the norm. Now why don't you answer the question instead of trying to be clever?
Halal has to be blessed or it is not Halal, so why bless it for the non muslim market in the first place ?, the fact is that non muslims have been force fed a product that is not correctly labeled.
Is it to much to ask that it is ?
Someone has been force feeding halal meat? First I've heard of anybody being force fed anything? So what you are saying is your objection is to the blessing? Surely the blessing only means something if you are Muslim? Are you a self hating Muslim?
Answer the question. Is it okay to feed Muslims with non-halal meat without telling them?

Answer...
a muslim wouldnt eat meat that isn't labeled halal
Answer... is it okay for Muslims to eat meat that is non-halal if they thought they were eating non-halal meat? Stop trying to be clever...
a muslim isnt supposed to eat non halal meat, for instance he wouldn't go into a supermarket and by normal meat. Not acting clever just giving a simple answer you'd understand
[quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don't read daily mail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.[/p][/quote]But why care if the meat is stunned it makes no difference? Who has been selling it without letting people know?[/p][/quote]Some people do care thats why they buy free range eggs & Chickens. Its called having standards and the quality that person wants....that is a persons personal choice if your paying for something. How can that happen if its not stated what your getting. Would anyone cry racist if i sold you a Mini & a Astra came instead ?[/p][/quote]But who's lying about it? Who is selling halal meat and passing it off as normal meat? And what is wrong with halal meat that has been stunned?[/p][/quote]So you are now saying that Halal is abnormal.[/p][/quote]As most meat in UK is non Halal I described it as normal because it is the norm. Now why don't you answer the question instead of trying to be clever?[/p][/quote]Halal has to be blessed or it is not Halal, so why bless it for the non muslim market in the first place ?, the fact is that non muslims have been force fed a product that is not correctly labeled. Is it to much to ask that it is ?[/p][/quote]Someone has been force feeding halal meat? First I've heard of anybody being force fed anything? So what you are saying is your objection is to the blessing? Surely the blessing only means something if you are Muslim? Are you a self hating Muslim?[/p][/quote]Answer the question. Is it okay to feed Muslims with non-halal meat without telling them? Answer...[/p][/quote]a muslim wouldnt eat meat that isn't labeled halal[/p][/quote]Answer... is it okay for Muslims to eat meat that is non-halal if they thought they were eating non-halal meat? Stop trying to be clever...[/p][/quote]a muslim isnt supposed to eat non halal meat, for instance he wouldn't go into a supermarket and by normal meat. Not acting clever just giving a simple answer you'd understand Don't read daily mail
  • Score: 5

8:56pm Thu 15 May 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Certain deceptions are illegal. This is about deception, which is the truth of the matter.
Certain deceptions are illegal. This is about deception, which is the truth of the matter. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 3

8:59pm Thu 15 May 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Truth is we have been eating Kosher meat for decades without realising and nothing was ever said. But now Kosher food has been re-labelled as Halal there is a mass uproar.

The Jewish community have had it the best for generations in not telling us on how the animals are slaughtered for their meat.

There is no difference, whatsoever between Kosher and Halal, but we are ready to accept Kosher over Halal wording!!!!!

But if want to be traditionalists, then lets not forget that according to Christian scriptures our meat is meant to bee gained in the exact same way as Kosher meat (primarily because Christianity is an off-shoot of Judaism) and so basically we are breaking our own tradition.
Hahahahaha now Kosher is Halal.... you are Mental.... be telling us next the Nigerian girls kidnapped was Christians..... Fool.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Truth is we have been eating Kosher meat for decades without realising and nothing was ever said. But now Kosher food has been re-labelled as Halal there is a mass uproar. The Jewish community have had it the best for generations in not telling us on how the animals are slaughtered for their meat. There is no difference, whatsoever between Kosher and Halal, but we are ready to accept Kosher over Halal wording!!!!! But if want to be traditionalists, then lets not forget that according to Christian scriptures our meat is meant to bee gained in the exact same way as Kosher meat (primarily because Christianity is an off-shoot of Judaism) and so basically we are breaking our own tradition.[/p][/quote]Hahahahaha now Kosher is Halal.... you are Mental.... be telling us next the Nigerian girls kidnapped was Christians..... Fool. thomas222
  • Score: -8

8:59pm Thu 15 May 14

Don't read daily mail says...

Beyond News Forum wrote:
Certain deceptions are illegal. This is about deception, which is the truth of the matter.
I agree but whos to blame ?
[quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: Certain deceptions are illegal. This is about deception, which is the truth of the matter.[/p][/quote]I agree but whos to blame ? Don't read daily mail
  • Score: 3

9:01pm Thu 15 May 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Don't read daily mail wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
Don't read daily mail wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.
But why care if the meat is stunned it makes no difference? Who has been selling it without letting people know?
Some people do care thats why they buy free range eggs & Chickens. Its called having standards and the quality that person wants....that is a persons personal choice if your paying for something. How can that happen if its not stated what your getting. Would anyone cry racist if i sold you a Mini & a Astra came instead ?
But who's lying about it? Who is selling halal meat and passing it off as normal meat? And what is wrong with halal meat that has been stunned?
So you are now saying that Halal is abnormal.
As most meat in UK is non Halal I described it as normal because it is the norm. Now why don't you answer the question instead of trying to be clever?
Halal has to be blessed or it is not Halal, so why bless it for the non muslim market in the first place ?, the fact is that non muslims have been force fed a product that is not correctly labeled.
Is it to much to ask that it is ?
Someone has been force feeding halal meat? First I've heard of anybody being force fed anything? So what you are saying is your objection is to the blessing? Surely the blessing only means something if you are Muslim? Are you a self hating Muslim?
Answer the question. Is it okay to feed Muslims with non-halal meat without telling them?

Answer...
a muslim wouldnt eat meat that isn't labeled halal
Answer... is it okay for Muslims to eat meat that is non-halal if they thought they were eating non-halal meat? Stop trying to be clever...
a muslim isnt supposed to eat non halal meat, for instance he wouldn't go into a supermarket and by normal meat. Not acting clever just giving a simple answer you'd understand
I am asking you a simple question. If a Muslim was served non-halal meat that was presented as Halal would that be okay?

The answer is????

You are avoiding the question like a politician and trying to spin what is being asked of the question.

You do not want to answer the question because the answer is 'no it isn't okay'.

So why can you not just answer the question? Because you know I and many people that have asked the same question are correct.

So if a Muslim found that they had been presented with non-Halal meat that they thought was Halal that is okay with you? Let me present the question like that for you.
[quote][p][bold]Don't read daily mail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don't read daily mail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.[/p][/quote]But why care if the meat is stunned it makes no difference? Who has been selling it without letting people know?[/p][/quote]Some people do care thats why they buy free range eggs & Chickens. Its called having standards and the quality that person wants....that is a persons personal choice if your paying for something. How can that happen if its not stated what your getting. Would anyone cry racist if i sold you a Mini & a Astra came instead ?[/p][/quote]But who's lying about it? Who is selling halal meat and passing it off as normal meat? And what is wrong with halal meat that has been stunned?[/p][/quote]So you are now saying that Halal is abnormal.[/p][/quote]As most meat in UK is non Halal I described it as normal because it is the norm. Now why don't you answer the question instead of trying to be clever?[/p][/quote]Halal has to be blessed or it is not Halal, so why bless it for the non muslim market in the first place ?, the fact is that non muslims have been force fed a product that is not correctly labeled. Is it to much to ask that it is ?[/p][/quote]Someone has been force feeding halal meat? First I've heard of anybody being force fed anything? So what you are saying is your objection is to the blessing? Surely the blessing only means something if you are Muslim? Are you a self hating Muslim?[/p][/quote]Answer the question. Is it okay to feed Muslims with non-halal meat without telling them? Answer...[/p][/quote]a muslim wouldnt eat meat that isn't labeled halal[/p][/quote]Answer... is it okay for Muslims to eat meat that is non-halal if they thought they were eating non-halal meat? Stop trying to be clever...[/p][/quote]a muslim isnt supposed to eat non halal meat, for instance he wouldn't go into a supermarket and by normal meat. Not acting clever just giving a simple answer you'd understand[/p][/quote]I am asking you a simple question. If a Muslim was served non-halal meat that was presented as Halal would that be okay? The answer is???? You are avoiding the question like a politician and trying to spin what is being asked of the question. You do not want to answer the question because the answer is 'no it isn't okay'. So why can you not just answer the question? Because you know I and many people that have asked the same question are correct. So if a Muslim found that they had been presented with non-Halal meat that they thought was Halal that is okay with you? Let me present the question like that for you. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: -2

9:07pm Thu 15 May 14

Don't read daily mail says...

Beyond News Forum wrote:
Don't read daily mail wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
Don't read daily mail wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.
But why care if the meat is stunned it makes no difference? Who has been selling it without letting people know?
Some people do care thats why they buy free range eggs & Chickens. Its called having standards and the quality that person wants....that is a persons personal choice if your paying for something. How can that happen if its not stated what your getting. Would anyone cry racist if i sold you a Mini & a Astra came instead ?
But who's lying about it? Who is selling halal meat and passing it off as normal meat? And what is wrong with halal meat that has been stunned?
So you are now saying that Halal is abnormal.
As most meat in UK is non Halal I described it as normal because it is the norm. Now why don't you answer the question instead of trying to be clever?
Halal has to be blessed or it is not Halal, so why bless it for the non muslim market in the first place ?, the fact is that non muslims have been force fed a product that is not correctly labeled.
Is it to much to ask that it is ?
Someone has been force feeding halal meat? First I've heard of anybody being force fed anything? So what you are saying is your objection is to the blessing? Surely the blessing only means something if you are Muslim? Are you a self hating Muslim?
Answer the question. Is it okay to feed Muslims with non-halal meat without telling them?

Answer...
a muslim wouldnt eat meat that isn't labeled halal
Answer... is it okay for Muslims to eat meat that is non-halal if they thought they were eating non-halal meat? Stop trying to be clever...
a muslim isnt supposed to eat non halal meat, for instance he wouldn't go into a supermarket and by normal meat. Not acting clever just giving a simple answer you'd understand
I am asking you a simple question. If a Muslim was served non-halal meat that was presented as Halal would that be okay?

The answer is????

You are avoiding the question like a politician and trying to spin what is being asked of the question.

You do not want to answer the question because the answer is 'no it isn't okay'.

So why can you not just answer the question? Because you know I and many people that have asked the same question are correct.

So if a Muslim found that they had been presented with non-Halal meat that they thought was Halal that is okay with you? Let me present the question like that for you.
if you mean meat labeled as halal but wasnt, then I wouldnt be happy but I wouldnt blame all the christians in the world. I would take it up with the people who gave it to me. Do you see where I am coming from here. anyway why ar you blaming muslims not the supermarkets ?
[quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don't read daily mail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don't read daily mail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.[/p][/quote]But why care if the meat is stunned it makes no difference? Who has been selling it without letting people know?[/p][/quote]Some people do care thats why they buy free range eggs & Chickens. Its called having standards and the quality that person wants....that is a persons personal choice if your paying for something. How can that happen if its not stated what your getting. Would anyone cry racist if i sold you a Mini & a Astra came instead ?[/p][/quote]But who's lying about it? Who is selling halal meat and passing it off as normal meat? And what is wrong with halal meat that has been stunned?[/p][/quote]So you are now saying that Halal is abnormal.[/p][/quote]As most meat in UK is non Halal I described it as normal because it is the norm. Now why don't you answer the question instead of trying to be clever?[/p][/quote]Halal has to be blessed or it is not Halal, so why bless it for the non muslim market in the first place ?, the fact is that non muslims have been force fed a product that is not correctly labeled. Is it to much to ask that it is ?[/p][/quote]Someone has been force feeding halal meat? First I've heard of anybody being force fed anything? So what you are saying is your objection is to the blessing? Surely the blessing only means something if you are Muslim? Are you a self hating Muslim?[/p][/quote]Answer the question. Is it okay to feed Muslims with non-halal meat without telling them? Answer...[/p][/quote]a muslim wouldnt eat meat that isn't labeled halal[/p][/quote]Answer... is it okay for Muslims to eat meat that is non-halal if they thought they were eating non-halal meat? Stop trying to be clever...[/p][/quote]a muslim isnt supposed to eat non halal meat, for instance he wouldn't go into a supermarket and by normal meat. Not acting clever just giving a simple answer you'd understand[/p][/quote]I am asking you a simple question. If a Muslim was served non-halal meat that was presented as Halal would that be okay? The answer is???? You are avoiding the question like a politician and trying to spin what is being asked of the question. You do not want to answer the question because the answer is 'no it isn't okay'. So why can you not just answer the question? Because you know I and many people that have asked the same question are correct. So if a Muslim found that they had been presented with non-Halal meat that they thought was Halal that is okay with you? Let me present the question like that for you.[/p][/quote]if you mean meat labeled as halal but wasnt, then I wouldnt be happy but I wouldnt blame all the christians in the world. I would take it up with the people who gave it to me. Do you see where I am coming from here. anyway why ar you blaming muslims not the supermarkets ? Don't read daily mail
  • Score: 6

9:21pm Thu 15 May 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Truth is we have been eating Kosher meat for decades without realising and nothing was ever said. But now Kosher food has been re-labelled as Halal there is a mass uproar.

The Jewish community have had it the best for generations in not telling us on how the animals are slaughtered for their meat.

There is no difference, whatsoever between Kosher and Halal, but we are ready to accept Kosher over Halal wording!!!!!

But if want to be traditionalists, then lets not forget that according to Christian scriptures our meat is meant to bee gained in the exact same way as Kosher meat (primarily because Christianity is an off-shoot of Judaism) and so basically we are breaking our own tradition.
Hahahahaha now Kosher is Halal.... you are Mental.... be telling us next the Nigerian girls kidnapped was Christians..... Fool.
Thoas222

You really are an ignorant person!


Kosher = all meat must come from animals which have been slaughtered according to Jewish law. These strict guidelines require the animal be killed by a single cut across the throat to a precise depth, severing both carotid arteries, both jugular veins, both vagus nerves, the trachea and the esophagus, no higher than the epiglottis and no lower than where cilia begin inside the trachea, causing the animal to bleed to death. Orthodox Jews argue that this ensures the animal dies instantly without unnecessary suffering

Halal = the slaughter must be performed by a Muslim, who must precede the slaughter by invoking the name of Allah, most commonly by saying "Bismillah" ("In the name of God") and then three times "Allahu akbar" (God is the greatest). Then, the animal must be slaughtered with a sharp knife by cutting the throat, windpipe and the blood vessels in the neck, causing the animal’s death without cutting the spinal cord. Lastly, the blood from the veins must be drained.


Now you tell me what the difference between the two is!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Truth is we have been eating Kosher meat for decades without realising and nothing was ever said. But now Kosher food has been re-labelled as Halal there is a mass uproar. The Jewish community have had it the best for generations in not telling us on how the animals are slaughtered for their meat. There is no difference, whatsoever between Kosher and Halal, but we are ready to accept Kosher over Halal wording!!!!! But if want to be traditionalists, then lets not forget that according to Christian scriptures our meat is meant to bee gained in the exact same way as Kosher meat (primarily because Christianity is an off-shoot of Judaism) and so basically we are breaking our own tradition.[/p][/quote]Hahahahaha now Kosher is Halal.... you are Mental.... be telling us next the Nigerian girls kidnapped was Christians..... Fool.[/p][/quote]Thoas222 You really are an ignorant person! Kosher = all meat must come from animals which have been slaughtered according to Jewish law. These strict guidelines require the animal be killed by a single cut across the throat to a precise depth, severing both carotid arteries, both jugular veins, both vagus nerves, the trachea and the esophagus, no higher than the epiglottis and no lower than where cilia begin inside the trachea, causing the animal to bleed to death. Orthodox Jews argue that this ensures the animal dies instantly without unnecessary suffering Halal = the slaughter must be performed by a Muslim, who must precede the slaughter by invoking the name of Allah, most commonly by saying "Bismillah" ("In the name of God") and then three times "Allahu akbar" (God is the greatest). Then, the animal must be slaughtered with a sharp knife by cutting the throat, windpipe and the blood vessels in the neck, causing the animal’s death without cutting the spinal cord. Lastly, the blood from the veins must be drained. Now you tell me what the difference between the two is! The Righteous One
  • Score: 2

9:27pm Thu 15 May 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Truth is we have been eating Kosher meat for decades without realising and nothing was ever said. But now Kosher food has been re-labelled as Halal there is a mass uproar.

The Jewish community have had it the best for generations in not telling us on how the animals are slaughtered for their meat.

There is no difference, whatsoever between Kosher and Halal, but we are ready to accept Kosher over Halal wording!!!!!

But if want to be traditionalists, then lets not forget that according to Christian scriptures our meat is meant to bee gained in the exact same way as Kosher meat (primarily because Christianity is an off-shoot of Judaism) and so basically we are breaking our own tradition.
Hahahahaha now Kosher is Halal.... you are Mental.... be telling us next the Nigerian girls kidnapped was Christians..... Fool.
Thoas222

You really are an ignorant person!


Kosher = all meat must come from animals which have been slaughtered according to Jewish law. These strict guidelines require the animal be killed by a single cut across the throat to a precise depth, severing both carotid arteries, both jugular veins, both vagus nerves, the trachea and the esophagus, no higher than the epiglottis and no lower than where cilia begin inside the trachea, causing the animal to bleed to death. Orthodox Jews argue that this ensures the animal dies instantly without unnecessary suffering

Halal = the slaughter must be performed by a Muslim, who must precede the slaughter by invoking the name of Allah, most commonly by saying "Bismillah" ("In the name of God") and then three times "Allahu akbar" (God is the greatest). Then, the animal must be slaughtered with a sharp knife by cutting the throat, windpipe and the blood vessels in the neck, causing the animal’s death without cutting the spinal cord. Lastly, the blood from the veins must be drained.


Now you tell me what the difference between the two is!
Did i say difference ?.. you said the Jewish people were selling it as Halal & also selling it to us over many years and what are you smoking Pal. Where are your links... lol lol.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Truth is we have been eating Kosher meat for decades without realising and nothing was ever said. But now Kosher food has been re-labelled as Halal there is a mass uproar. The Jewish community have had it the best for generations in not telling us on how the animals are slaughtered for their meat. There is no difference, whatsoever between Kosher and Halal, but we are ready to accept Kosher over Halal wording!!!!! But if want to be traditionalists, then lets not forget that according to Christian scriptures our meat is meant to bee gained in the exact same way as Kosher meat (primarily because Christianity is an off-shoot of Judaism) and so basically we are breaking our own tradition.[/p][/quote]Hahahahaha now Kosher is Halal.... you are Mental.... be telling us next the Nigerian girls kidnapped was Christians..... Fool.[/p][/quote]Thoas222 You really are an ignorant person! Kosher = all meat must come from animals which have been slaughtered according to Jewish law. These strict guidelines require the animal be killed by a single cut across the throat to a precise depth, severing both carotid arteries, both jugular veins, both vagus nerves, the trachea and the esophagus, no higher than the epiglottis and no lower than where cilia begin inside the trachea, causing the animal to bleed to death. Orthodox Jews argue that this ensures the animal dies instantly without unnecessary suffering Halal = the slaughter must be performed by a Muslim, who must precede the slaughter by invoking the name of Allah, most commonly by saying "Bismillah" ("In the name of God") and then three times "Allahu akbar" (God is the greatest). Then, the animal must be slaughtered with a sharp knife by cutting the throat, windpipe and the blood vessels in the neck, causing the animal’s death without cutting the spinal cord. Lastly, the blood from the veins must be drained. Now you tell me what the difference between the two is![/p][/quote]Did i say difference ?.. you said the Jewish people were selling it as Halal & also selling it to us over many years and what are you smoking Pal. Where are your links... lol lol. thomas222
  • Score: -2

9:30pm Thu 15 May 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Don't read daily mail wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
Don't read daily mail wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
Don't read daily mail wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.
But why care if the meat is stunned it makes no difference? Who has been selling it without letting people know?
Some people do care thats why they buy free range eggs & Chickens. Its called having standards and the quality that person wants....that is a persons personal choice if your paying for something. How can that happen if its not stated what your getting. Would anyone cry racist if i sold you a Mini & a Astra came instead ?
But who's lying about it? Who is selling halal meat and passing it off as normal meat? And what is wrong with halal meat that has been stunned?
So you are now saying that Halal is abnormal.
As most meat in UK is non Halal I described it as normal because it is the norm. Now why don't you answer the question instead of trying to be clever?
Halal has to be blessed or it is not Halal, so why bless it for the non muslim market in the first place ?, the fact is that non muslims have been force fed a product that is not correctly labeled.
Is it to much to ask that it is ?
Someone has been force feeding halal meat? First I've heard of anybody being force fed anything? So what you are saying is your objection is to the blessing? Surely the blessing only means something if you are Muslim? Are you a self hating Muslim?
Answer the question. Is it okay to feed Muslims with non-halal meat without telling them?

Answer...
a muslim wouldnt eat meat that isn't labeled halal
Answer... is it okay for Muslims to eat meat that is non-halal if they thought they were eating non-halal meat? Stop trying to be clever...
a muslim isnt supposed to eat non halal meat, for instance he wouldn't go into a supermarket and by normal meat. Not acting clever just giving a simple answer you'd understand
I am asking you a simple question. If a Muslim was served non-halal meat that was presented as Halal would that be okay?

The answer is????

You are avoiding the question like a politician and trying to spin what is being asked of the question.

You do not want to answer the question because the answer is 'no it isn't okay'.

So why can you not just answer the question? Because you know I and many people that have asked the same question are correct.

So if a Muslim found that they had been presented with non-Halal meat that they thought was Halal that is okay with you? Let me present the question like that for you.
if you mean meat labeled as halal but wasnt, then I wouldnt be happy but I wouldnt blame all the christians in the world. I would take it up with the people who gave it to me. Do you see where I am coming from here. anyway why ar you blaming muslims not the supermarkets ?
No the supermarkets.

I am also sick and tired of the terms 'racist' and 'racism' being used out of context and without understanding the history of how the word was coined.

If you dislike a religion that is an opinion, everyone has a right to opinion, the true name would be a dislike of religion and not anti-religion.

Racism is when someone attacks a specific culture with violence because you have a fundamental hatred for a particular culture.

It is not racist to verbally attack a specific culture, that is opinionated but with the correct context 'hate-speech' attached.

For instance the only way someone could possibly be 'Islamophobic', that would constitute to a person not wanting to step out of their house for 'fear' of seeing anything attached or associated with Islam in front of themselves. And clinically diagnosed, taking medications or seeking therapy for etc...

And did I at any point blame Muslims? You assumed that I did, but you are wrong. I blame the corporations and their greed in actual fact.
[quote][p][bold]Don't read daily mail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don't read daily mail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don't read daily mail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.[/p][/quote]But why care if the meat is stunned it makes no difference? Who has been selling it without letting people know?[/p][/quote]Some people do care thats why they buy free range eggs & Chickens. Its called having standards and the quality that person wants....that is a persons personal choice if your paying for something. How can that happen if its not stated what your getting. Would anyone cry racist if i sold you a Mini & a Astra came instead ?[/p][/quote]But who's lying about it? Who is selling halal meat and passing it off as normal meat? And what is wrong with halal meat that has been stunned?[/p][/quote]So you are now saying that Halal is abnormal.[/p][/quote]As most meat in UK is non Halal I described it as normal because it is the norm. Now why don't you answer the question instead of trying to be clever?[/p][/quote]Halal has to be blessed or it is not Halal, so why bless it for the non muslim market in the first place ?, the fact is that non muslims have been force fed a product that is not correctly labeled. Is it to much to ask that it is ?[/p][/quote]Someone has been force feeding halal meat? First I've heard of anybody being force fed anything? So what you are saying is your objection is to the blessing? Surely the blessing only means something if you are Muslim? Are you a self hating Muslim?[/p][/quote]Answer the question. Is it okay to feed Muslims with non-halal meat without telling them? Answer...[/p][/quote]a muslim wouldnt eat meat that isn't labeled halal[/p][/quote]Answer... is it okay for Muslims to eat meat that is non-halal if they thought they were eating non-halal meat? Stop trying to be clever...[/p][/quote]a muslim isnt supposed to eat non halal meat, for instance he wouldn't go into a supermarket and by normal meat. Not acting clever just giving a simple answer you'd understand[/p][/quote]I am asking you a simple question. If a Muslim was served non-halal meat that was presented as Halal would that be okay? The answer is???? You are avoiding the question like a politician and trying to spin what is being asked of the question. You do not want to answer the question because the answer is 'no it isn't okay'. So why can you not just answer the question? Because you know I and many people that have asked the same question are correct. So if a Muslim found that they had been presented with non-Halal meat that they thought was Halal that is okay with you? Let me present the question like that for you.[/p][/quote]if you mean meat labeled as halal but wasnt, then I wouldnt be happy but I wouldnt blame all the christians in the world. I would take it up with the people who gave it to me. Do you see where I am coming from here. anyway why ar you blaming muslims not the supermarkets ?[/p][/quote]No the supermarkets. I am also sick and tired of the terms 'racist' and 'racism' being used out of context and without understanding the history of how the word was coined. If you dislike a religion that is an opinion, everyone has a right to opinion, the true name would be a dislike of religion and not anti-religion. Racism is when someone attacks a specific culture with violence because you have a fundamental hatred for a particular culture. It is not racist to verbally attack a specific culture, that is opinionated but with the correct context 'hate-speech' attached. For instance the only way someone could possibly be 'Islamophobic', that would constitute to a person not wanting to step out of their house for 'fear' of seeing anything attached or associated with Islam in front of themselves. And clinically diagnosed, taking medications or seeking therapy for etc... And did I at any point blame Muslims? You assumed that I did, but you are wrong. I blame the corporations and their greed in actual fact. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 2

9:34pm Thu 15 May 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Don't read daily mail wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
Certain deceptions are illegal. This is about deception, which is the truth of the matter.
I agree but whos to blame ?
Corporations and the law for not acting in this instance.

If you bought a Panasonic labeled Sony that would be deception and fraud.

If you buy Beef that is really Horse then that is deception and fraud.
[quote][p][bold]Don't read daily mail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: Certain deceptions are illegal. This is about deception, which is the truth of the matter.[/p][/quote]I agree but whos to blame ?[/p][/quote]Corporations and the law for not acting in this instance. If you bought a Panasonic labeled Sony that would be deception and fraud. If you buy Beef that is really Horse then that is deception and fraud. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 1

9:35pm Thu 15 May 14

Rememberscarborough says...

If a deep incision in a vein in the neck is the most painless way of killing an animal why do governments around the world not use this to carry out death penalties? Also, why is an animal's right to a painless death more important than the rights of a woman accused of adultery in certain Islamic states? Are animals viewed as having greater rights than women in these countries?
If a deep incision in a vein in the neck is the most painless way of killing an animal why do governments around the world not use this to carry out death penalties? Also, why is an animal's right to a painless death more important than the rights of a woman accused of adultery in certain Islamic states? Are animals viewed as having greater rights than women in these countries? Rememberscarborough
  • Score: 4

9:36pm Thu 15 May 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Truth is we have been eating Kosher meat for decades without realising and nothing was ever said. But now Kosher food has been re-labelled as Halal there is a mass uproar.

The Jewish community have had it the best for generations in not telling us on how the animals are slaughtered for their meat.

There is no difference, whatsoever between Kosher and Halal, but we are ready to accept Kosher over Halal wording!!!!!

But if want to be traditionalists, then lets not forget that according to Christian scriptures our meat is meant to bee gained in the exact same way as Kosher meat (primarily because Christianity is an off-shoot of Judaism) and so basically we are breaking our own tradition.
Hahahahaha now Kosher is Halal.... you are Mental.... be telling us next the Nigerian girls kidnapped was Christians..... Fool.
Thoas222

You really are an ignorant person!


Kosher = all meat must come from animals which have been slaughtered according to Jewish law. These strict guidelines require the animal be killed by a single cut across the throat to a precise depth, severing both carotid arteries, both jugular veins, both vagus nerves, the trachea and the esophagus, no higher than the epiglottis and no lower than where cilia begin inside the trachea, causing the animal to bleed to death. Orthodox Jews argue that this ensures the animal dies instantly without unnecessary suffering

Halal = the slaughter must be performed by a Muslim, who must precede the slaughter by invoking the name of Allah, most commonly by saying "Bismillah" ("In the name of God") and then three times "Allahu akbar" (God is the greatest). Then, the animal must be slaughtered with a sharp knife by cutting the throat, windpipe and the blood vessels in the neck, causing the animal’s death without cutting the spinal cord. Lastly, the blood from the veins must be drained.


Now you tell me what the difference between the two is!
Did i say difference ?.. you said the Jewish people were selling it as Halal & also selling it to us over many years and what are you smoking Pal. Where are your links... lol lol.
Once again you have made a fool of yourself

LLets look at what I actually said, "Truth is we have been eating Kosher meat for decades without realising and nothing was ever said. But now Kosher food has been "re-labelled" as Halal there is a mass uproar."

Not once did I say that Jewish people were "selling" it as Halal.

You said that and not me!!!

Then lets look at what you said, "Hahahahaha now Kosher is Halal.... "

It seems to me you actually didn't know there was no difference and now you are trying to hide your ignorance by name-calling!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Truth is we have been eating Kosher meat for decades without realising and nothing was ever said. But now Kosher food has been re-labelled as Halal there is a mass uproar. The Jewish community have had it the best for generations in not telling us on how the animals are slaughtered for their meat. There is no difference, whatsoever between Kosher and Halal, but we are ready to accept Kosher over Halal wording!!!!! But if want to be traditionalists, then lets not forget that according to Christian scriptures our meat is meant to bee gained in the exact same way as Kosher meat (primarily because Christianity is an off-shoot of Judaism) and so basically we are breaking our own tradition.[/p][/quote]Hahahahaha now Kosher is Halal.... you are Mental.... be telling us next the Nigerian girls kidnapped was Christians..... Fool.[/p][/quote]Thoas222 You really are an ignorant person! Kosher = all meat must come from animals which have been slaughtered according to Jewish law. These strict guidelines require the animal be killed by a single cut across the throat to a precise depth, severing both carotid arteries, both jugular veins, both vagus nerves, the trachea and the esophagus, no higher than the epiglottis and no lower than where cilia begin inside the trachea, causing the animal to bleed to death. Orthodox Jews argue that this ensures the animal dies instantly without unnecessary suffering Halal = the slaughter must be performed by a Muslim, who must precede the slaughter by invoking the name of Allah, most commonly by saying "Bismillah" ("In the name of God") and then three times "Allahu akbar" (God is the greatest). Then, the animal must be slaughtered with a sharp knife by cutting the throat, windpipe and the blood vessels in the neck, causing the animal’s death without cutting the spinal cord. Lastly, the blood from the veins must be drained. Now you tell me what the difference between the two is![/p][/quote]Did i say difference ?.. you said the Jewish people were selling it as Halal & also selling it to us over many years and what are you smoking Pal. Where are your links... lol lol.[/p][/quote]Once again you have made a fool of yourself LLets look at what I actually said, "Truth is we have been eating Kosher meat for decades without realising and nothing was ever said. But now Kosher food has been "re-labelled" as Halal there is a mass uproar." Not once did I say that Jewish people were "selling" it as Halal. You said that and not me!!! Then lets look at what you said, "Hahahahaha now Kosher is Halal.... " It seems to me you actually didn't know there was no difference and now you are trying to hide your ignorance by name-calling!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: 1

9:37pm Thu 15 May 14

Reality50 says...

Qureshi is the worst MP in our towns history. PLEASE vote her out next year. Tactically vote to get her out. A vote for Qureshi is a vote for Islam as the Farnworth super mosque has proved.
Qureshi is the worst MP in our towns history. PLEASE vote her out next year. Tactically vote to get her out. A vote for Qureshi is a vote for Islam as the Farnworth super mosque has proved. Reality50
  • Score: 9

9:41pm Thu 15 May 14

lv8151 says...

Rememberscarborough wrote:
If a deep incision in a vein in the neck is the most painless way of killing an animal why do governments around the world not use this to carry out death penalties? Also, why is an animal's right to a painless death more important than the rights of a woman accused of adultery in certain Islamic states? Are animals viewed as having greater rights than women in these countries?
lethal injection is the way for death penalty nowadays .... where the body is injected with a poison .... if we did the same to animals we would not be able to eat the meat
[quote][p][bold]Rememberscarborough[/bold] wrote: If a deep incision in a vein in the neck is the most painless way of killing an animal why do governments around the world not use this to carry out death penalties? Also, why is an animal's right to a painless death more important than the rights of a woman accused of adultery in certain Islamic states? Are animals viewed as having greater rights than women in these countries?[/p][/quote]lethal injection is the way for death penalty nowadays .... where the body is injected with a poison .... if we did the same to animals we would not be able to eat the meat lv8151
  • Score: 7

9:42pm Thu 15 May 14

The Righteous One says...

Reality50 wrote:
Qureshi is the worst MP in our towns history. PLEASE vote her out next year. Tactically vote to get her out. A vote for Qureshi is a vote for Islam as the Farnworth super mosque has proved.
But that mosque is only replacing a mosque that is already there but the building is beyond repair, so they are having a new-build to replace it! Nothing sinister at al - it like St Johns Church in Bromley Cross was rebuilt because the old building was falling apart and the new Chapel at the top end of New Church Road being rebuilt because the old building was beyond repair! Plus look at all the new synagogues that have replaced the old buildings. As I say nothing sinister at all!
[quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: Qureshi is the worst MP in our towns history. PLEASE vote her out next year. Tactically vote to get her out. A vote for Qureshi is a vote for Islam as the Farnworth super mosque has proved.[/p][/quote]But that mosque is only replacing a mosque that is already there but the building is beyond repair, so they are having a new-build to replace it! Nothing sinister at al - it like St Johns Church in Bromley Cross was rebuilt because the old building was falling apart and the new Chapel at the top end of New Church Road being rebuilt because the old building was beyond repair! Plus look at all the new synagogues that have replaced the old buildings. As I say nothing sinister at all! The Righteous One
  • Score: 0

9:46pm Thu 15 May 14

Beyond News Forum says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Reality50 wrote:
Qureshi is the worst MP in our towns history. PLEASE vote her out next year. Tactically vote to get her out. A vote for Qureshi is a vote for Islam as the Farnworth super mosque has proved.
But that mosque is only replacing a mosque that is already there but the building is beyond repair, so they are having a new-build to replace it! Nothing sinister at al - it like St Johns Church in Bromley Cross was rebuilt because the old building was falling apart and the new Chapel at the top end of New Church Road being rebuilt because the old building was beyond repair! Plus look at all the new synagogues that have replaced the old buildings. As I say nothing sinister at all!
Then why not build it to the same spec? Nothing offensive or overbearing and detrimental to the local architecture should suffice.

That would probably be tolerated and not dividing opinion - correct?
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: Qureshi is the worst MP in our towns history. PLEASE vote her out next year. Tactically vote to get her out. A vote for Qureshi is a vote for Islam as the Farnworth super mosque has proved.[/p][/quote]But that mosque is only replacing a mosque that is already there but the building is beyond repair, so they are having a new-build to replace it! Nothing sinister at al - it like St Johns Church in Bromley Cross was rebuilt because the old building was falling apart and the new Chapel at the top end of New Church Road being rebuilt because the old building was beyond repair! Plus look at all the new synagogues that have replaced the old buildings. As I say nothing sinister at all![/p][/quote]Then why not build it to the same spec? Nothing offensive or overbearing and detrimental to the local architecture should suffice. That would probably be tolerated and not dividing opinion - correct? Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 3

9:49pm Thu 15 May 14

Beyond News Forum says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Reality50 wrote:
Qureshi is the worst MP in our towns history. PLEASE vote her out next year. Tactically vote to get her out. A vote for Qureshi is a vote for Islam as the Farnworth super mosque has proved.
But that mosque is only replacing a mosque that is already there but the building is beyond repair, so they are having a new-build to replace it! Nothing sinister at al - it like St Johns Church in Bromley Cross was rebuilt because the old building was falling apart and the new Chapel at the top end of New Church Road being rebuilt because the old building was beyond repair! Plus look at all the new synagogues that have replaced the old buildings. As I say nothing sinister at all!
Also those building have been built with the old specifications, not with huge spires and extra floors. Your argument is pointless. If that Mosque was to be built within the same specifications as the last, I doubt there would be that much of a problem.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: Qureshi is the worst MP in our towns history. PLEASE vote her out next year. Tactically vote to get her out. A vote for Qureshi is a vote for Islam as the Farnworth super mosque has proved.[/p][/quote]But that mosque is only replacing a mosque that is already there but the building is beyond repair, so they are having a new-build to replace it! Nothing sinister at al - it like St Johns Church in Bromley Cross was rebuilt because the old building was falling apart and the new Chapel at the top end of New Church Road being rebuilt because the old building was beyond repair! Plus look at all the new synagogues that have replaced the old buildings. As I say nothing sinister at all![/p][/quote]Also those building have been built with the old specifications, not with huge spires and extra floors. Your argument is pointless. If that Mosque was to be built within the same specifications as the last, I doubt there would be that much of a problem. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 0

9:52pm Thu 15 May 14

Beyond News Forum says...

lv8151 wrote:
Rememberscarborough wrote:
If a deep incision in a vein in the neck is the most painless way of killing an animal why do governments around the world not use this to carry out death penalties? Also, why is an animal's right to a painless death more important than the rights of a woman accused of adultery in certain Islamic states? Are animals viewed as having greater rights than women in these countries?
lethal injection is the way for death penalty nowadays .... where the body is injected with a poison .... if we did the same to animals we would not be able to eat the meat
Well that is up for debate, some cultures still stone people to death, the UK has a hidden death penalty with the USA using drones to kill without any trial. The USA still electrocutes people in some states, and the choice of firing squad or lethal injection is also up for debate.

Some countries still hang people, and others chop off heads... very Middle Ages.
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rememberscarborough[/bold] wrote: If a deep incision in a vein in the neck is the most painless way of killing an animal why do governments around the world not use this to carry out death penalties? Also, why is an animal's right to a painless death more important than the rights of a woman accused of adultery in certain Islamic states? Are animals viewed as having greater rights than women in these countries?[/p][/quote]lethal injection is the way for death penalty nowadays .... where the body is injected with a poison .... if we did the same to animals we would not be able to eat the meat[/p][/quote]Well that is up for debate, some cultures still stone people to death, the UK has a hidden death penalty with the USA using drones to kill without any trial. The USA still electrocutes people in some states, and the choice of firing squad or lethal injection is also up for debate. Some countries still hang people, and others chop off heads... very Middle Ages. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: -3

9:55pm Thu 15 May 14

lv8151 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Truth is we have been eating Kosher meat for decades without realising and nothing was ever said. But now Kosher food has been re-labelled as Halal there is a mass uproar.

The Jewish community have had it the best for generations in not telling us on how the animals are slaughtered for their meat.

There is no difference, whatsoever between Kosher and Halal, but we are ready to accept Kosher over Halal wording!!!!!

But if want to be traditionalists, then lets not forget that according to Christian scriptures our meat is meant to bee gained in the exact same way as Kosher meat (primarily because Christianity is an off-shoot of Judaism) and so basically we are breaking our own tradition.
Hahahahaha now Kosher is Halal.... you are Mental.... be telling us next the Nigerian girls kidnapped was Christians..... Fool.
Thoas222

You really are an ignorant person!


Kosher = all meat must come from animals which have been slaughtered according to Jewish law. These strict guidelines require the animal be killed by a single cut across the throat to a precise depth, severing both carotid arteries, both jugular veins, both vagus nerves, the trachea and the esophagus, no higher than the epiglottis and no lower than where cilia begin inside the trachea, causing the animal to bleed to death. Orthodox Jews argue that this ensures the animal dies instantly without unnecessary suffering

Halal = the slaughter must be performed by a Muslim, who must precede the slaughter by invoking the name of Allah, most commonly by saying "Bismillah" ("In the name of God") and then three times "Allahu akbar" (God is the greatest). Then, the animal must be slaughtered with a sharp knife by cutting the throat, windpipe and the blood vessels in the neck, causing the animal’s death without cutting the spinal cord. Lastly, the blood from the veins must be drained.


Now you tell me what the difference between the two is!
Did i say difference ?.. you said the Jewish people were selling it as Halal & also selling it to us over many years and what are you smoking Pal. Where are your links... lol lol.
Once again you have made a fool of yourself

LLets look at what I actually said, "Truth is we have been eating Kosher meat for decades without realising and nothing was ever said. But now Kosher food has been "re-labelled" as Halal there is a mass uproar."

Not once did I say that Jewish people were "selling" it as Halal.

You said that and not me!!!

Then lets look at what you said, "Hahahahaha now Kosher is Halal.... "

It seems to me you actually didn't know there was no difference and now you are trying to hide your ignorance by name-calling!!!
" But now Kosher food has been "re-labelled" as Halal " ..... your statement infers that the meat has had its label changed and labelled differently ..... bit of a daft statement really when its 2 different products
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Truth is we have been eating Kosher meat for decades without realising and nothing was ever said. But now Kosher food has been re-labelled as Halal there is a mass uproar. The Jewish community have had it the best for generations in not telling us on how the animals are slaughtered for their meat. There is no difference, whatsoever between Kosher and Halal, but we are ready to accept Kosher over Halal wording!!!!! But if want to be traditionalists, then lets not forget that according to Christian scriptures our meat is meant to bee gained in the exact same way as Kosher meat (primarily because Christianity is an off-shoot of Judaism) and so basically we are breaking our own tradition.[/p][/quote]Hahahahaha now Kosher is Halal.... you are Mental.... be telling us next the Nigerian girls kidnapped was Christians..... Fool.[/p][/quote]Thoas222 You really are an ignorant person! Kosher = all meat must come from animals which have been slaughtered according to Jewish law. These strict guidelines require the animal be killed by a single cut across the throat to a precise depth, severing both carotid arteries, both jugular veins, both vagus nerves, the trachea and the esophagus, no higher than the epiglottis and no lower than where cilia begin inside the trachea, causing the animal to bleed to death. Orthodox Jews argue that this ensures the animal dies instantly without unnecessary suffering Halal = the slaughter must be performed by a Muslim, who must precede the slaughter by invoking the name of Allah, most commonly by saying "Bismillah" ("In the name of God") and then three times "Allahu akbar" (God is the greatest). Then, the animal must be slaughtered with a sharp knife by cutting the throat, windpipe and the blood vessels in the neck, causing the animal’s death without cutting the spinal cord. Lastly, the blood from the veins must be drained. Now you tell me what the difference between the two is![/p][/quote]Did i say difference ?.. you said the Jewish people were selling it as Halal & also selling it to us over many years and what are you smoking Pal. Where are your links... lol lol.[/p][/quote]Once again you have made a fool of yourself LLets look at what I actually said, "Truth is we have been eating Kosher meat for decades without realising and nothing was ever said. But now Kosher food has been "re-labelled" as Halal there is a mass uproar." Not once did I say that Jewish people were "selling" it as Halal. You said that and not me!!! Then lets look at what you said, "Hahahahaha now Kosher is Halal.... " It seems to me you actually didn't know there was no difference and now you are trying to hide your ignorance by name-calling!!![/p][/quote]" But now Kosher food has been "re-labelled" as Halal " ..... your statement infers that the meat has had its label changed and labelled differently ..... bit of a daft statement really when its 2 different products lv8151
  • Score: 3

10:08pm Thu 15 May 14

lv8151 says...

Beyond News Forum wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
Rememberscarborough wrote:
If a deep incision in a vein in the neck is the most painless way of killing an animal why do governments around the world not use this to carry out death penalties? Also, why is an animal's right to a painless death more important than the rights of a woman accused of adultery in certain Islamic states? Are animals viewed as having greater rights than women in these countries?
lethal injection is the way for death penalty nowadays .... where the body is injected with a poison .... if we did the same to animals we would not be able to eat the meat
Well that is up for debate, some cultures still stone people to death, the UK has a hidden death penalty with the USA using drones to kill without any trial. The USA still electrocutes people in some states, and the choice of firing squad or lethal injection is also up for debate.

Some countries still hang people, and others chop off heads... very Middle Ages.
i agree drones are used just as are ied's , aeroplanes , stones ( like you mention ) etc etc .... i thought you was commenting about the humane way of doing it .... my mistake
[quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rememberscarborough[/bold] wrote: If a deep incision in a vein in the neck is the most painless way of killing an animal why do governments around the world not use this to carry out death penalties? Also, why is an animal's right to a painless death more important than the rights of a woman accused of adultery in certain Islamic states? Are animals viewed as having greater rights than women in these countries?[/p][/quote]lethal injection is the way for death penalty nowadays .... where the body is injected with a poison .... if we did the same to animals we would not be able to eat the meat[/p][/quote]Well that is up for debate, some cultures still stone people to death, the UK has a hidden death penalty with the USA using drones to kill without any trial. The USA still electrocutes people in some states, and the choice of firing squad or lethal injection is also up for debate. Some countries still hang people, and others chop off heads... very Middle Ages.[/p][/quote]i agree drones are used just as are ied's , aeroplanes , stones ( like you mention ) etc etc .... i thought you was commenting about the humane way of doing it .... my mistake lv8151
  • Score: -3

10:10pm Thu 15 May 14

The Righteous One says...

lv8151 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Truth is we have been eating Kosher meat for decades without realising and nothing was ever said. But now Kosher food has been re-labelled as Halal there is a mass uproar.

The Jewish community have had it the best for generations in not telling us on how the animals are slaughtered for their meat.

There is no difference, whatsoever between Kosher and Halal, but we are ready to accept Kosher over Halal wording!!!!!

But if want to be traditionalists, then lets not forget that according to Christian scriptures our meat is meant to bee gained in the exact same way as Kosher meat (primarily because Christianity is an off-shoot of Judaism) and so basically we are breaking our own tradition.
Hahahahaha now Kosher is Halal.... you are Mental.... be telling us next the Nigerian girls kidnapped was Christians..... Fool.
Thoas222

You really are an ignorant person!


Kosher = all meat must come from animals which have been slaughtered according to Jewish law. These strict guidelines require the animal be killed by a single cut across the throat to a precise depth, severing both carotid arteries, both jugular veins, both vagus nerves, the trachea and the esophagus, no higher than the epiglottis and no lower than where cilia begin inside the trachea, causing the animal to bleed to death. Orthodox Jews argue that this ensures the animal dies instantly without unnecessary suffering

Halal = the slaughter must be performed by a Muslim, who must precede the slaughter by invoking the name of Allah, most commonly by saying "Bismillah" ("In the name of God") and then three times "Allahu akbar" (God is the greatest). Then, the animal must be slaughtered with a sharp knife by cutting the throat, windpipe and the blood vessels in the neck, causing the animal’s death without cutting the spinal cord. Lastly, the blood from the veins must be drained.


Now you tell me what the difference between the two is!
Did i say difference ?.. you said the Jewish people were selling it as Halal & also selling it to us over many years and what are you smoking Pal. Where are your links... lol lol.
Once again you have made a fool of yourself

LLets look at what I actually said, "Truth is we have been eating Kosher meat for decades without realising and nothing was ever said. But now Kosher food has been "re-labelled" as Halal there is a mass uproar."

Not once did I say that Jewish people were "selling" it as Halal.

You said that and not me!!!

Then lets look at what you said, "Hahahahaha now Kosher is Halal.... "

It seems to me you actually didn't know there was no difference and now you are trying to hide your ignorance by name-calling!!!
" But now Kosher food has been "re-labelled" as Halal " ..... your statement infers that the meat has had its label changed and labelled differently ..... bit of a daft statement really when its 2 different products
But it isn't 2 different products as they are both slaughtered the same way, thus it is the same! Only difference is the prayer given to the animals before its throat is cut! The "label" is interchangeable and I have known people of both religions buy each others meat just because of the way it was slaughtered - saying that I also know people of both religions who don't adhere to the "traditional" values and just buy any meat and not tell their more "traditional" family members!!!!


And lets put it this way, under Christian scriptures we are meant to slaughter the same way with the animals given a prayer before slaughter - but as we are not traditionalists, anymore, it no loner happens. But why are we judging people/religions who keep to there traditional ways? It is not as if we don't hark back, and remember the good old days, of the more traditional values!
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Truth is we have been eating Kosher meat for decades without realising and nothing was ever said. But now Kosher food has been re-labelled as Halal there is a mass uproar. The Jewish community have had it the best for generations in not telling us on how the animals are slaughtered for their meat. There is no difference, whatsoever between Kosher and Halal, but we are ready to accept Kosher over Halal wording!!!!! But if want to be traditionalists, then lets not forget that according to Christian scriptures our meat is meant to bee gained in the exact same way as Kosher meat (primarily because Christianity is an off-shoot of Judaism) and so basically we are breaking our own tradition.[/p][/quote]Hahahahaha now Kosher is Halal.... you are Mental.... be telling us next the Nigerian girls kidnapped was Christians..... Fool.[/p][/quote]Thoas222 You really are an ignorant person! Kosher = all meat must come from animals which have been slaughtered according to Jewish law. These strict guidelines require the animal be killed by a single cut across the throat to a precise depth, severing both carotid arteries, both jugular veins, both vagus nerves, the trachea and the esophagus, no higher than the epiglottis and no lower than where cilia begin inside the trachea, causing the animal to bleed to death. Orthodox Jews argue that this ensures the animal dies instantly without unnecessary suffering Halal = the slaughter must be performed by a Muslim, who must precede the slaughter by invoking the name of Allah, most commonly by saying "Bismillah" ("In the name of God") and then three times "Allahu akbar" (God is the greatest). Then, the animal must be slaughtered with a sharp knife by cutting the throat, windpipe and the blood vessels in the neck, causing the animal’s death without cutting the spinal cord. Lastly, the blood from the veins must be drained. Now you tell me what the difference between the two is![/p][/quote]Did i say difference ?.. you said the Jewish people were selling it as Halal & also selling it to us over many years and what are you smoking Pal. Where are your links... lol lol.[/p][/quote]Once again you have made a fool of yourself LLets look at what I actually said, "Truth is we have been eating Kosher meat for decades without realising and nothing was ever said. But now Kosher food has been "re-labelled" as Halal there is a mass uproar." Not once did I say that Jewish people were "selling" it as Halal. You said that and not me!!! Then lets look at what you said, "Hahahahaha now Kosher is Halal.... " It seems to me you actually didn't know there was no difference and now you are trying to hide your ignorance by name-calling!!![/p][/quote]" But now Kosher food has been "re-labelled" as Halal " ..... your statement infers that the meat has had its label changed and labelled differently ..... bit of a daft statement really when its 2 different products[/p][/quote]But it isn't 2 different products as they are both slaughtered the same way, thus it is the same! Only difference is the prayer given to the animals before its throat is cut! The "label" is interchangeable and I have known people of both religions buy each others meat just because of the way it was slaughtered - saying that I also know people of both religions who don't adhere to the "traditional" values and just buy any meat and not tell their more "traditional" family members!!!! And lets put it this way, under Christian scriptures we are meant to slaughter the same way with the animals given a prayer before slaughter - but as we are not traditionalists, anymore, it no loner happens. But why are we judging people/religions who keep to there traditional ways? It is not as if we don't hark back, and remember the good old days, of the more traditional values! The Righteous One
  • Score: 3

10:12pm Thu 15 May 14

The Righteous One says...

lv8151 wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
Rememberscarborough wrote:
If a deep incision in a vein in the neck is the most painless way of killing an animal why do governments around the world not use this to carry out death penalties? Also, why is an animal's right to a painless death more important than the rights of a woman accused of adultery in certain Islamic states? Are animals viewed as having greater rights than women in these countries?
lethal injection is the way for death penalty nowadays .... where the body is injected with a poison .... if we did the same to animals we would not be able to eat the meat
Well that is up for debate, some cultures still stone people to death, the UK has a hidden death penalty with the USA using drones to kill without any trial. The USA still electrocutes people in some states, and the choice of firing squad or lethal injection is also up for debate.

Some countries still hang people, and others chop off heads... very Middle Ages.
i agree drones are used just as are ied's , aeroplanes , stones ( like you mention ) etc etc .... i thought you was commenting about the humane way of doing it .... my mistake
In fact the UK still has the death penalty for treason! And that ought to be by hanging, although there are no longer any qualified hangers around nowadays!!!
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rememberscarborough[/bold] wrote: If a deep incision in a vein in the neck is the most painless way of killing an animal why do governments around the world not use this to carry out death penalties? Also, why is an animal's right to a painless death more important than the rights of a woman accused of adultery in certain Islamic states? Are animals viewed as having greater rights than women in these countries?[/p][/quote]lethal injection is the way for death penalty nowadays .... where the body is injected with a poison .... if we did the same to animals we would not be able to eat the meat[/p][/quote]Well that is up for debate, some cultures still stone people to death, the UK has a hidden death penalty with the USA using drones to kill without any trial. The USA still electrocutes people in some states, and the choice of firing squad or lethal injection is also up for debate. Some countries still hang people, and others chop off heads... very Middle Ages.[/p][/quote]i agree drones are used just as are ied's , aeroplanes , stones ( like you mention ) etc etc .... i thought you was commenting about the humane way of doing it .... my mistake[/p][/quote]In fact the UK still has the death penalty for treason! And that ought to be by hanging, although there are no longer any qualified hangers around nowadays!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: 0

10:12pm Thu 15 May 14

Beyond News Forum says...

lv8151 wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
Rememberscarborough wrote:
If a deep incision in a vein in the neck is the most painless way of killing an animal why do governments around the world not use this to carry out death penalties? Also, why is an animal's right to a painless death more important than the rights of a woman accused of adultery in certain Islamic states? Are animals viewed as having greater rights than women in these countries?
lethal injection is the way for death penalty nowadays .... where the body is injected with a poison .... if we did the same to animals we would not be able to eat the meat
Well that is up for debate, some cultures still stone people to death, the UK has a hidden death penalty with the USA using drones to kill without any trial. The USA still electrocutes people in some states, and the choice of firing squad or lethal injection is also up for debate.

Some countries still hang people, and others chop off heads... very Middle Ages.
i agree drones are used just as are ied's , aeroplanes , stones ( like you mention ) etc etc .... i thought you was commenting about the humane way of doing it .... my mistake
Define killing anything as humane lol. Don't you just love humans. Use of killing via methods that are quick = humane.

Killing is killing no matter how you dress it up or give justice to it.

Not attacking you Iv8151 - just making a point of view.
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rememberscarborough[/bold] wrote: If a deep incision in a vein in the neck is the most painless way of killing an animal why do governments around the world not use this to carry out death penalties? Also, why is an animal's right to a painless death more important than the rights of a woman accused of adultery in certain Islamic states? Are animals viewed as having greater rights than women in these countries?[/p][/quote]lethal injection is the way for death penalty nowadays .... where the body is injected with a poison .... if we did the same to animals we would not be able to eat the meat[/p][/quote]Well that is up for debate, some cultures still stone people to death, the UK has a hidden death penalty with the USA using drones to kill without any trial. The USA still electrocutes people in some states, and the choice of firing squad or lethal injection is also up for debate. Some countries still hang people, and others chop off heads... very Middle Ages.[/p][/quote]i agree drones are used just as are ied's , aeroplanes , stones ( like you mention ) etc etc .... i thought you was commenting about the humane way of doing it .... my mistake[/p][/quote]Define killing anything as humane lol. Don't you just love humans. Use of killing via methods that are quick = humane. Killing is killing no matter how you dress it up or give justice to it. Not attacking you Iv8151 - just making a point of view. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 1

10:16pm Thu 15 May 14

JShepard says...

Yasmin Qureshi is purposley spreading misinformation and lies. She has chosen to cite research from 1978 by Professor Schulze that involved old stunning equipment that has not been used in the meat industry for at least a decade. Schulze himself, who died in 2002, warned in his report that the stunning technique may not have functioned properly.

The latest research from this century into religious slaughter at Massey University in Palmerston North, New Zealand led by Professor Craig B Johnson, BVSc PhD DVA DipECVA MRCA MRCVS. The following research was conducted and the conclusion was that:

Non-penetrative captive-bolt stunning after ventral-neck incision resulted in the cessation of functional cortical activity in the majority of calves. This procedure prevented the development of cerebrocortical responses to ventral-neck incision, demonstrated elsewhere, which would be painful in conscious animals subjected to this procedure. In addition, instances of carotid arterial occlusion had no significant effect on the decrease in arterial blood pressure.

After the publication of this research an article by the Guardian can be found here from 2009.

"The anachronism of slaughter without stunning has no place in the modern world and should be outlawed"

http://www.theguardi
an.com/commentisfree
/belief/2009/oct/15/
animal-slaughter-rel
igion-research?comme
ntpage=1

Yasmin Qureshi is protecting an industry that is heavily subsidized by the British public who are purchasing unlabelled Kosher and Halal meat.
Yasmin Qureshi is purposley spreading misinformation and lies. She has chosen to cite research from 1978 by Professor Schulze that involved old stunning equipment that has not been used in the meat industry for at least a decade. Schulze himself, who died in 2002, warned in his report that the stunning technique may not have functioned properly. The latest research from this century into religious slaughter at Massey University in Palmerston North, New Zealand led by Professor Craig B Johnson, BVSc PhD DVA DipECVA MRCA MRCVS. The following research was conducted and the conclusion was that: Non-penetrative captive-bolt stunning after ventral-neck incision resulted in the cessation of functional cortical activity in the majority of calves. This procedure prevented the development of cerebrocortical responses to ventral-neck incision, demonstrated elsewhere, which would be painful in conscious animals subjected to this procedure. In addition, instances of carotid arterial occlusion had no significant effect on the decrease in arterial blood pressure. After the publication of this research an article by the Guardian can be found here from 2009. "The anachronism of slaughter without stunning has no place in the modern world and should be outlawed" http://www.theguardi an.com/commentisfree /belief/2009/oct/15/ animal-slaughter-rel igion-research?comme ntpage=1 Yasmin Qureshi is protecting an industry that is heavily subsidized by the British public who are purchasing unlabelled Kosher and Halal meat. JShepard
  • Score: 11

10:17pm Thu 15 May 14

The Righteous One says...

Beyond News Forum wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Reality50 wrote:
Qureshi is the worst MP in our towns history. PLEASE vote her out next year. Tactically vote to get her out. A vote for Qureshi is a vote for Islam as the Farnworth super mosque has proved.
But that mosque is only replacing a mosque that is already there but the building is beyond repair, so they are having a new-build to replace it! Nothing sinister at al - it like St Johns Church in Bromley Cross was rebuilt because the old building was falling apart and the new Chapel at the top end of New Church Road being rebuilt because the old building was beyond repair! Plus look at all the new synagogues that have replaced the old buildings. As I say nothing sinister at all!
Also those building have been built with the old specifications, not with huge spires and extra floors. Your argument is pointless. If that Mosque was to be built within the same specifications as the last, I doubt there would be that much of a problem.
No they haven't!!

St Johns in Bromley Cross is a hexagonal Church with the altar in the centre!

The new Chapel on New Church Road is far bigger and protruding building

Then all the synagogues with their religious symbols hanging from spires!


The Mosques are usually multifloored because they are also "community" centres just as much as many Christian Churches have "community" Hall's attached to the church - such as St Josephs in Halliwell (which is a separate 2 storey building behind the church with its own car park) and Christ The King Church in Walkden - again massive Church Hall with its own car park!
[quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: Qureshi is the worst MP in our towns history. PLEASE vote her out next year. Tactically vote to get her out. A vote for Qureshi is a vote for Islam as the Farnworth super mosque has proved.[/p][/quote]But that mosque is only replacing a mosque that is already there but the building is beyond repair, so they are having a new-build to replace it! Nothing sinister at al - it like St Johns Church in Bromley Cross was rebuilt because the old building was falling apart and the new Chapel at the top end of New Church Road being rebuilt because the old building was beyond repair! Plus look at all the new synagogues that have replaced the old buildings. As I say nothing sinister at all![/p][/quote]Also those building have been built with the old specifications, not with huge spires and extra floors. Your argument is pointless. If that Mosque was to be built within the same specifications as the last, I doubt there would be that much of a problem.[/p][/quote]No they haven't!! St Johns in Bromley Cross is a hexagonal Church with the altar in the centre! The new Chapel on New Church Road is far bigger and protruding building Then all the synagogues with their religious symbols hanging from spires! The Mosques are usually multifloored because they are also "community" centres just as much as many Christian Churches have "community" Hall's attached to the church - such as St Josephs in Halliwell (which is a separate 2 storey building behind the church with its own car park) and Christ The King Church in Walkden - again massive Church Hall with its own car park! The Righteous One
  • Score: -27

10:19pm Thu 15 May 14

The Righteous One says...

Almost forgot to mention St Osmunds in Breightmet which also has a community hall attached to the Church and also has its own car-park!!
Almost forgot to mention St Osmunds in Breightmet which also has a community hall attached to the Church and also has its own car-park!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -15

10:19pm Thu 15 May 14

lv8151 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
Rememberscarborough wrote:
If a deep incision in a vein in the neck is the most painless way of killing an animal why do governments around the world not use this to carry out death penalties? Also, why is an animal's right to a painless death more important than the rights of a woman accused of adultery in certain Islamic states? Are animals viewed as having greater rights than women in these countries?
lethal injection is the way for death penalty nowadays .... where the body is injected with a poison .... if we did the same to animals we would not be able to eat the meat
Well that is up for debate, some cultures still stone people to death, the UK has a hidden death penalty with the USA using drones to kill without any trial. The USA still electrocutes people in some states, and the choice of firing squad or lethal injection is also up for debate.

Some countries still hang people, and others chop off heads... very Middle Ages.
i agree drones are used just as are ied's , aeroplanes , stones ( like you mention ) etc etc .... i thought you was commenting about the humane way of doing it .... my mistake
In fact the UK still has the death penalty for treason! And that ought to be by hanging, although there are no longer any qualified hangers around nowadays!!!
In fact the UK still has the death penalty for treason so yoy say ..... it was abolished in 1998 and the maximum sentance now for treason is life inprisonment ..... if you want me to post the link i will !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! .... google crime and disorder act 1998
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rememberscarborough[/bold] wrote: If a deep incision in a vein in the neck is the most painless way of killing an animal why do governments around the world not use this to carry out death penalties? Also, why is an animal's right to a painless death more important than the rights of a woman accused of adultery in certain Islamic states? Are animals viewed as having greater rights than women in these countries?[/p][/quote]lethal injection is the way for death penalty nowadays .... where the body is injected with a poison .... if we did the same to animals we would not be able to eat the meat[/p][/quote]Well that is up for debate, some cultures still stone people to death, the UK has a hidden death penalty with the USA using drones to kill without any trial. The USA still electrocutes people in some states, and the choice of firing squad or lethal injection is also up for debate. Some countries still hang people, and others chop off heads... very Middle Ages.[/p][/quote]i agree drones are used just as are ied's , aeroplanes , stones ( like you mention ) etc etc .... i thought you was commenting about the humane way of doing it .... my mistake[/p][/quote]In fact the UK still has the death penalty for treason! And that ought to be by hanging, although there are no longer any qualified hangers around nowadays!!![/p][/quote]In fact the UK still has the death penalty for treason so yoy say ..... it was abolished in 1998 and the maximum sentance now for treason is life inprisonment ..... if you want me to post the link i will !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! .... google crime and disorder act 1998 lv8151
  • Score: 3

10:23pm Thu 15 May 14

lv8151 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Truth is we have been eating Kosher meat for decades without realising and nothing was ever said. But now Kosher food has been re-labelled as Halal there is a mass uproar.

The Jewish community have had it the best for generations in not telling us on how the animals are slaughtered for their meat.

There is no difference, whatsoever between Kosher and Halal, but we are ready to accept Kosher over Halal wording!!!!!

But if want to be traditionalists, then lets not forget that according to Christian scriptures our meat is meant to bee gained in the exact same way as Kosher meat (primarily because Christianity is an off-shoot of Judaism) and so basically we are breaking our own tradition.
Hahahahaha now Kosher is Halal.... you are Mental.... be telling us next the Nigerian girls kidnapped was Christians..... Fool.
Thoas222

You really are an ignorant person!


Kosher = all meat must come from animals which have been slaughtered according to Jewish law. These strict guidelines require the animal be killed by a single cut across the throat to a precise depth, severing both carotid arteries, both jugular veins, both vagus nerves, the trachea and the esophagus, no higher than the epiglottis and no lower than where cilia begin inside the trachea, causing the animal to bleed to death. Orthodox Jews argue that this ensures the animal dies instantly without unnecessary suffering

Halal = the slaughter must be performed by a Muslim, who must precede the slaughter by invoking the name of Allah, most commonly by saying "Bismillah" ("In the name of God") and then three times "Allahu akbar" (God is the greatest). Then, the animal must be slaughtered with a sharp knife by cutting the throat, windpipe and the blood vessels in the neck, causing the animal’s death without cutting the spinal cord. Lastly, the blood from the veins must be drained.


Now you tell me what the difference between the two is!
Did i say difference ?.. you said the Jewish people were selling it as Halal & also selling it to us over many years and what are you smoking Pal. Where are your links... lol lol.
Once again you have made a fool of yourself

LLets look at what I actually said, "Truth is we have been eating Kosher meat for decades without realising and nothing was ever said. But now Kosher food has been "re-labelled" as Halal there is a mass uproar."

Not once did I say that Jewish people were "selling" it as Halal.

You said that and not me!!!

Then lets look at what you said, "Hahahahaha now Kosher is Halal.... "

It seems to me you actually didn't know there was no difference and now you are trying to hide your ignorance by name-calling!!!
" But now Kosher food has been "re-labelled" as Halal " ..... your statement infers that the meat has had its label changed and labelled differently ..... bit of a daft statement really when its 2 different products
But it isn't 2 different products as they are both slaughtered the same way, thus it is the same! Only difference is the prayer given to the animals before its throat is cut! The "label" is interchangeable and I have known people of both religions buy each others meat just because of the way it was slaughtered - saying that I also know people of both religions who don't adhere to the "traditional" values and just buy any meat and not tell their more "traditional" family members!!!!


And lets put it this way, under Christian scriptures we are meant to slaughter the same way with the animals given a prayer before slaughter - but as we are not traditionalists, anymore, it no loner happens. But why are we judging people/religions who keep to there traditional ways? It is not as if we don't hark back, and remember the good old days, of the more traditional values!
you tell a muslim or a jew that kosher aor halal are the same product with just a different label on lol ..... would any muslim posting on here like to admit kosher is the same product as halal .... i think not
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Truth is we have been eating Kosher meat for decades without realising and nothing was ever said. But now Kosher food has been re-labelled as Halal there is a mass uproar. The Jewish community have had it the best for generations in not telling us on how the animals are slaughtered for their meat. There is no difference, whatsoever between Kosher and Halal, but we are ready to accept Kosher over Halal wording!!!!! But if want to be traditionalists, then lets not forget that according to Christian scriptures our meat is meant to bee gained in the exact same way as Kosher meat (primarily because Christianity is an off-shoot of Judaism) and so basically we are breaking our own tradition.[/p][/quote]Hahahahaha now Kosher is Halal.... you are Mental.... be telling us next the Nigerian girls kidnapped was Christians..... Fool.[/p][/quote]Thoas222 You really are an ignorant person! Kosher = all meat must come from animals which have been slaughtered according to Jewish law. These strict guidelines require the animal be killed by a single cut across the throat to a precise depth, severing both carotid arteries, both jugular veins, both vagus nerves, the trachea and the esophagus, no higher than the epiglottis and no lower than where cilia begin inside the trachea, causing the animal to bleed to death. Orthodox Jews argue that this ensures the animal dies instantly without unnecessary suffering Halal = the slaughter must be performed by a Muslim, who must precede the slaughter by invoking the name of Allah, most commonly by saying "Bismillah" ("In the name of God") and then three times "Allahu akbar" (God is the greatest). Then, the animal must be slaughtered with a sharp knife by cutting the throat, windpipe and the blood vessels in the neck, causing the animal’s death without cutting the spinal cord. Lastly, the blood from the veins must be drained. Now you tell me what the difference between the two is![/p][/quote]Did i say difference ?.. you said the Jewish people were selling it as Halal & also selling it to us over many years and what are you smoking Pal. Where are your links... lol lol.[/p][/quote]Once again you have made a fool of yourself LLets look at what I actually said, "Truth is we have been eating Kosher meat for decades without realising and nothing was ever said. But now Kosher food has been "re-labelled" as Halal there is a mass uproar." Not once did I say that Jewish people were "selling" it as Halal. You said that and not me!!! Then lets look at what you said, "Hahahahaha now Kosher is Halal.... " It seems to me you actually didn't know there was no difference and now you are trying to hide your ignorance by name-calling!!![/p][/quote]" But now Kosher food has been "re-labelled" as Halal " ..... your statement infers that the meat has had its label changed and labelled differently ..... bit of a daft statement really when its 2 different products[/p][/quote]But it isn't 2 different products as they are both slaughtered the same way, thus it is the same! Only difference is the prayer given to the animals before its throat is cut! The "label" is interchangeable and I have known people of both religions buy each others meat just because of the way it was slaughtered - saying that I also know people of both religions who don't adhere to the "traditional" values and just buy any meat and not tell their more "traditional" family members!!!! And lets put it this way, under Christian scriptures we are meant to slaughter the same way with the animals given a prayer before slaughter - but as we are not traditionalists, anymore, it no loner happens. But why are we judging people/religions who keep to there traditional ways? It is not as if we don't hark back, and remember the good old days, of the more traditional values![/p][/quote]you tell a muslim or a jew that kosher aor halal are the same product with just a different label on lol ..... would any muslim posting on here like to admit kosher is the same product as halal .... i think not lv8151
  • Score: 4

10:28pm Thu 15 May 14

Don't read daily mail says...

lv8151 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Truth is we have been eating Kosher meat for decades without realising and nothing was ever said. But now Kosher food has been re-labelled as Halal there is a mass uproar.

The Jewish community have had it the best for generations in not telling us on how the animals are slaughtered for their meat.

There is no difference, whatsoever between Kosher and Halal, but we are ready to accept Kosher over Halal wording!!!!!

But if want to be traditionalists, then lets not forget that according to Christian scriptures our meat is meant to bee gained in the exact same way as Kosher meat (primarily because Christianity is an off-shoot of Judaism) and so basically we are breaking our own tradition.
Hahahahaha now Kosher is Halal.... you are Mental.... be telling us next the Nigerian girls kidnapped was Christians..... Fool.
Thoas222

You really are an ignorant person!


Kosher = all meat must come from animals which have been slaughtered according to Jewish law. These strict guidelines require the animal be killed by a single cut across the throat to a precise depth, severing both carotid arteries, both jugular veins, both vagus nerves, the trachea and the esophagus, no higher than the epiglottis and no lower than where cilia begin inside the trachea, causing the animal to bleed to death. Orthodox Jews argue that this ensures the animal dies instantly without unnecessary suffering

Halal = the slaughter must be performed by a Muslim, who must precede the slaughter by invoking the name of Allah, most commonly by saying "Bismillah" ("In the name of God") and then three times "Allahu akbar" (God is the greatest). Then, the animal must be slaughtered with a sharp knife by cutting the throat, windpipe and the blood vessels in the neck, causing the animal’s death without cutting the spinal cord. Lastly, the blood from the veins must be drained.


Now you tell me what the difference between the two is!
Did i say difference ?.. you said the Jewish people were selling it as Halal & also selling it to us over many years and what are you smoking Pal. Where are your links... lol lol.
Once again you have made a fool of yourself

LLets look at what I actually said, "Truth is we have been eating Kosher meat for decades without realising and nothing was ever said. But now Kosher food has been "re-labelled" as Halal there is a mass uproar."

Not once did I say that Jewish people were "selling" it as Halal.

You said that and not me!!!

Then lets look at what you said, "Hahahahaha now Kosher is Halal.... "

It seems to me you actually didn't know there was no difference and now you are trying to hide your ignorance by name-calling!!!
" But now Kosher food has been "re-labelled" as Halal " ..... your statement infers that the meat has had its label changed and labelled differently ..... bit of a daft statement really when its 2 different products
But it isn't 2 different products as they are both slaughtered the same way, thus it is the same! Only difference is the prayer given to the animals before its throat is cut! The "label" is interchangeable and I have known people of both religions buy each others meat just because of the way it was slaughtered - saying that I also know people of both religions who don't adhere to the "traditional" values and just buy any meat and not tell their more "traditional" family members!!!!


And lets put it this way, under Christian scriptures we are meant to slaughter the same way with the animals given a prayer before slaughter - but as we are not traditionalists, anymore, it no loner happens. But why are we judging people/religions who keep to there traditional ways? It is not as if we don't hark back, and remember the good old days, of the more traditional values!
you tell a muslim or a jew that kosher aor halal are the same product with just a different label on lol ..... would any muslim posting on here like to admit kosher is the same product as halal .... i think not
A muslims religion states that if you cannot find halal meat then the next best thing is kosher, do a bit of research
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Truth is we have been eating Kosher meat for decades without realising and nothing was ever said. But now Kosher food has been re-labelled as Halal there is a mass uproar. The Jewish community have had it the best for generations in not telling us on how the animals are slaughtered for their meat. There is no difference, whatsoever between Kosher and Halal, but we are ready to accept Kosher over Halal wording!!!!! But if want to be traditionalists, then lets not forget that according to Christian scriptures our meat is meant to bee gained in the exact same way as Kosher meat (primarily because Christianity is an off-shoot of Judaism) and so basically we are breaking our own tradition.[/p][/quote]Hahahahaha now Kosher is Halal.... you are Mental.... be telling us next the Nigerian girls kidnapped was Christians..... Fool.[/p][/quote]Thoas222 You really are an ignorant person! Kosher = all meat must come from animals which have been slaughtered according to Jewish law. These strict guidelines require the animal be killed by a single cut across the throat to a precise depth, severing both carotid arteries, both jugular veins, both vagus nerves, the trachea and the esophagus, no higher than the epiglottis and no lower than where cilia begin inside the trachea, causing the animal to bleed to death. Orthodox Jews argue that this ensures the animal dies instantly without unnecessary suffering Halal = the slaughter must be performed by a Muslim, who must precede the slaughter by invoking the name of Allah, most commonly by saying "Bismillah" ("In the name of God") and then three times "Allahu akbar" (God is the greatest). Then, the animal must be slaughtered with a sharp knife by cutting the throat, windpipe and the blood vessels in the neck, causing the animal’s death without cutting the spinal cord. Lastly, the blood from the veins must be drained. Now you tell me what the difference between the two is![/p][/quote]Did i say difference ?.. you said the Jewish people were selling it as Halal & also selling it to us over many years and what are you smoking Pal. Where are your links... lol lol.[/p][/quote]Once again you have made a fool of yourself LLets look at what I actually said, "Truth is we have been eating Kosher meat for decades without realising and nothing was ever said. But now Kosher food has been "re-labelled" as Halal there is a mass uproar." Not once did I say that Jewish people were "selling" it as Halal. You said that and not me!!! Then lets look at what you said, "Hahahahaha now Kosher is Halal.... " It seems to me you actually didn't know there was no difference and now you are trying to hide your ignorance by name-calling!!![/p][/quote]" But now Kosher food has been "re-labelled" as Halal " ..... your statement infers that the meat has had its label changed and labelled differently ..... bit of a daft statement really when its 2 different products[/p][/quote]But it isn't 2 different products as they are both slaughtered the same way, thus it is the same! Only difference is the prayer given to the animals before its throat is cut! The "label" is interchangeable and I have known people of both religions buy each others meat just because of the way it was slaughtered - saying that I also know people of both religions who don't adhere to the "traditional" values and just buy any meat and not tell their more "traditional" family members!!!! And lets put it this way, under Christian scriptures we are meant to slaughter the same way with the animals given a prayer before slaughter - but as we are not traditionalists, anymore, it no loner happens. But why are we judging people/religions who keep to there traditional ways? It is not as if we don't hark back, and remember the good old days, of the more traditional values![/p][/quote]you tell a muslim or a jew that kosher aor halal are the same product with just a different label on lol ..... would any muslim posting on here like to admit kosher is the same product as halal .... i think not[/p][/quote]A muslims religion states that if you cannot find halal meat then the next best thing is kosher, do a bit of research Don't read daily mail
  • Score: 4

10:33pm Thu 15 May 14

Don't read daily mail says...

Beyond News Forum wrote:
Don't read daily mail wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
Don't read daily mail wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
Don't read daily mail wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.
But why care if the meat is stunned it makes no difference? Who has been selling it without letting people know?
Some people do care thats why they buy free range eggs & Chickens. Its called having standards and the quality that person wants....that is a persons personal choice if your paying for something. How can that happen if its not stated what your getting. Would anyone cry racist if i sold you a Mini & a Astra came instead ?
But who's lying about it? Who is selling halal meat and passing it off as normal meat? And what is wrong with halal meat that has been stunned?
So you are now saying that Halal is abnormal.
As most meat in UK is non Halal I described it as normal because it is the norm. Now why don't you answer the question instead of trying to be clever?
Halal has to be blessed or it is not Halal, so why bless it for the non muslim market in the first place ?, the fact is that non muslims have been force fed a product that is not correctly labeled.
Is it to much to ask that it is ?
Someone has been force feeding halal meat? First I've heard of anybody being force fed anything? So what you are saying is your objection is to the blessing? Surely the blessing only means something if you are Muslim? Are you a self hating Muslim?
Answer the question. Is it okay to feed Muslims with non-halal meat without telling them?

Answer...
a muslim wouldnt eat meat that isn't labeled halal
Answer... is it okay for Muslims to eat meat that is non-halal if they thought they were eating non-halal meat? Stop trying to be clever...
a muslim isnt supposed to eat non halal meat, for instance he wouldn't go into a supermarket and by normal meat. Not acting clever just giving a simple answer you'd understand
I am asking you a simple question. If a Muslim was served non-halal meat that was presented as Halal would that be okay?

The answer is????

You are avoiding the question like a politician and trying to spin what is being asked of the question.

You do not want to answer the question because the answer is 'no it isn't okay'.

So why can you not just answer the question? Because you know I and many people that have asked the same question are correct.

So if a Muslim found that they had been presented with non-Halal meat that they thought was Halal that is okay with you? Let me present the question like that for you.
if you mean meat labeled as halal but wasnt, then I wouldnt be happy but I wouldnt blame all the christians in the world. I would take it up with the people who gave it to me. Do you see where I am coming from here. anyway why ar you blaming muslims not the supermarkets ?
No the supermarkets.

I am also sick and tired of the terms 'racist' and 'racism' being used out of context and without understanding the history of how the word was coined.

If you dislike a religion that is an opinion, everyone has a right to opinion, the true name would be a dislike of religion and not anti-religion.

Racism is when someone attacks a specific culture with violence because you have a fundamental hatred for a particular culture.

It is not racist to verbally attack a specific culture, that is opinionated but with the correct context 'hate-speech' attached.

For instance the only way someone could possibly be 'Islamophobic', that would constitute to a person not wanting to step out of their house for 'fear' of seeing anything attached or associated with Islam in front of themselves. And clinically diagnosed, taking medications or seeking therapy for etc...

And did I at any point blame Muslims? You assumed that I did, but you are wrong. I blame the corporations and their greed in actual fact.
I didnt mean you hate muslims. I talking about other generlised comments on this page i.e THEY OR THOSE PEOPLE.
[quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don't read daily mail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don't read daily mail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don't read daily mail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.[/p][/quote]But why care if the meat is stunned it makes no difference? Who has been selling it without letting people know?[/p][/quote]Some people do care thats why they buy free range eggs & Chickens. Its called having standards and the quality that person wants....that is a persons personal choice if your paying for something. How can that happen if its not stated what your getting. Would anyone cry racist if i sold you a Mini & a Astra came instead ?[/p][/quote]But who's lying about it? Who is selling halal meat and passing it off as normal meat? And what is wrong with halal meat that has been stunned?[/p][/quote]So you are now saying that Halal is abnormal.[/p][/quote]As most meat in UK is non Halal I described it as normal because it is the norm. Now why don't you answer the question instead of trying to be clever?[/p][/quote]Halal has to be blessed or it is not Halal, so why bless it for the non muslim market in the first place ?, the fact is that non muslims have been force fed a product that is not correctly labeled. Is it to much to ask that it is ?[/p][/quote]Someone has been force feeding halal meat? First I've heard of anybody being force fed anything? So what you are saying is your objection is to the blessing? Surely the blessing only means something if you are Muslim? Are you a self hating Muslim?[/p][/quote]Answer the question. Is it okay to feed Muslims with non-halal meat without telling them? Answer...[/p][/quote]a muslim wouldnt eat meat that isn't labeled halal[/p][/quote]Answer... is it okay for Muslims to eat meat that is non-halal if they thought they were eating non-halal meat? Stop trying to be clever...[/p][/quote]a muslim isnt supposed to eat non halal meat, for instance he wouldn't go into a supermarket and by normal meat. Not acting clever just giving a simple answer you'd understand[/p][/quote]I am asking you a simple question. If a Muslim was served non-halal meat that was presented as Halal would that be okay? The answer is???? You are avoiding the question like a politician and trying to spin what is being asked of the question. You do not want to answer the question because the answer is 'no it isn't okay'. So why can you not just answer the question? Because you know I and many people that have asked the same question are correct. So if a Muslim found that they had been presented with non-Halal meat that they thought was Halal that is okay with you? Let me present the question like that for you.[/p][/quote]if you mean meat labeled as halal but wasnt, then I wouldnt be happy but I wouldnt blame all the christians in the world. I would take it up with the people who gave it to me. Do you see where I am coming from here. anyway why ar you blaming muslims not the supermarkets ?[/p][/quote]No the supermarkets. I am also sick and tired of the terms 'racist' and 'racism' being used out of context and without understanding the history of how the word was coined. If you dislike a religion that is an opinion, everyone has a right to opinion, the true name would be a dislike of religion and not anti-religion. Racism is when someone attacks a specific culture with violence because you have a fundamental hatred for a particular culture. It is not racist to verbally attack a specific culture, that is opinionated but with the correct context 'hate-speech' attached. For instance the only way someone could possibly be 'Islamophobic', that would constitute to a person not wanting to step out of their house for 'fear' of seeing anything attached or associated with Islam in front of themselves. And clinically diagnosed, taking medications or seeking therapy for etc... And did I at any point blame Muslims? You assumed that I did, but you are wrong. I blame the corporations and their greed in actual fact.[/p][/quote]I didnt mean you hate muslims. I talking about other generlised comments on this page i.e THEY OR THOSE PEOPLE. Don't read daily mail
  • Score: 1

10:35pm Thu 15 May 14

lv8151 says...

Don't read daily mail wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Truth is we have been eating Kosher meat for decades without realising and nothing was ever said. But now Kosher food has been re-labelled as Halal there is a mass uproar.

The Jewish community have had it the best for generations in not telling us on how the animals are slaughtered for their meat.

There is no difference, whatsoever between Kosher and Halal, but we are ready to accept Kosher over Halal wording!!!!!

But if want to be traditionalists, then lets not forget that according to Christian scriptures our meat is meant to bee gained in the exact same way as Kosher meat (primarily because Christianity is an off-shoot of Judaism) and so basically we are breaking our own tradition.
Hahahahaha now Kosher is Halal.... you are Mental.... be telling us next the Nigerian girls kidnapped was Christians..... Fool.
Thoas222

You really are an ignorant person!


Kosher = all meat must come from animals which have been slaughtered according to Jewish law. These strict guidelines require the animal be killed by a single cut across the throat to a precise depth, severing both carotid arteries, both jugular veins, both vagus nerves, the trachea and the esophagus, no higher than the epiglottis and no lower than where cilia begin inside the trachea, causing the animal to bleed to death. Orthodox Jews argue that this ensures the animal dies instantly without unnecessary suffering

Halal = the slaughter must be performed by a Muslim, who must precede the slaughter by invoking the name of Allah, most commonly by saying "Bismillah" ("In the name of God") and then three times "Allahu akbar" (God is the greatest). Then, the animal must be slaughtered with a sharp knife by cutting the throat, windpipe and the blood vessels in the neck, causing the animal’s death without cutting the spinal cord. Lastly, the blood from the veins must be drained.


Now you tell me what the difference between the two is!
Did i say difference ?.. you said the Jewish people were selling it as Halal & also selling it to us over many years and what are you smoking Pal. Where are your links... lol lol.
Once again you have made a fool of yourself

LLets look at what I actually said, "Truth is we have been eating Kosher meat for decades without realising and nothing was ever said. But now Kosher food has been "re-labelled" as Halal there is a mass uproar."

Not once did I say that Jewish people were "selling" it as Halal.

You said that and not me!!!

Then lets look at what you said, "Hahahahaha now Kosher is Halal.... "

It seems to me you actually didn't know there was no difference and now you are trying to hide your ignorance by name-calling!!!
" But now Kosher food has been "re-labelled" as Halal " ..... your statement infers that the meat has had its label changed and labelled differently ..... bit of a daft statement really when its 2 different products
But it isn't 2 different products as they are both slaughtered the same way, thus it is the same! Only difference is the prayer given to the animals before its throat is cut! The "label" is interchangeable and I have known people of both religions buy each others meat just because of the way it was slaughtered - saying that I also know people of both religions who don't adhere to the "traditional" values and just buy any meat and not tell their more "traditional" family members!!!!


And lets put it this way, under Christian scriptures we are meant to slaughter the same way with the animals given a prayer before slaughter - but as we are not traditionalists, anymore, it no loner happens. But why are we judging people/religions who keep to there traditional ways? It is not as if we don't hark back, and remember the good old days, of the more traditional values!
you tell a muslim or a jew that kosher aor halal are the same product with just a different label on lol ..... would any muslim posting on here like to admit kosher is the same product as halal .... i think not
A muslims religion states that if you cannot find halal meat then the next best thing is kosher, do a bit of research
i don't need research !!!!! why is it the next best thing if its the same product .... it should be equally as good if its the same .... but its not the same otherwise there would be no definition between kosher and halal
[quote][p][bold]Don't read daily mail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Truth is we have been eating Kosher meat for decades without realising and nothing was ever said. But now Kosher food has been re-labelled as Halal there is a mass uproar. The Jewish community have had it the best for generations in not telling us on how the animals are slaughtered for their meat. There is no difference, whatsoever between Kosher and Halal, but we are ready to accept Kosher over Halal wording!!!!! But if want to be traditionalists, then lets not forget that according to Christian scriptures our meat is meant to bee gained in the exact same way as Kosher meat (primarily because Christianity is an off-shoot of Judaism) and so basically we are breaking our own tradition.[/p][/quote]Hahahahaha now Kosher is Halal.... you are Mental.... be telling us next the Nigerian girls kidnapped was Christians..... Fool.[/p][/quote]Thoas222 You really are an ignorant person! Kosher = all meat must come from animals which have been slaughtered according to Jewish law. These strict guidelines require the animal be killed by a single cut across the throat to a precise depth, severing both carotid arteries, both jugular veins, both vagus nerves, the trachea and the esophagus, no higher than the epiglottis and no lower than where cilia begin inside the trachea, causing the animal to bleed to death. Orthodox Jews argue that this ensures the animal dies instantly without unnecessary suffering Halal = the slaughter must be performed by a Muslim, who must precede the slaughter by invoking the name of Allah, most commonly by saying "Bismillah" ("In the name of God") and then three times "Allahu akbar" (God is the greatest). Then, the animal must be slaughtered with a sharp knife by cutting the throat, windpipe and the blood vessels in the neck, causing the animal’s death without cutting the spinal cord. Lastly, the blood from the veins must be drained. Now you tell me what the difference between the two is![/p][/quote]Did i say difference ?.. you said the Jewish people were selling it as Halal & also selling it to us over many years and what are you smoking Pal. Where are your links... lol lol.[/p][/quote]Once again you have made a fool of yourself LLets look at what I actually said, "Truth is we have been eating Kosher meat for decades without realising and nothing was ever said. But now Kosher food has been "re-labelled" as Halal there is a mass uproar." Not once did I say that Jewish people were "selling" it as Halal. You said that and not me!!! Then lets look at what you said, "Hahahahaha now Kosher is Halal.... " It seems to me you actually didn't know there was no difference and now you are trying to hide your ignorance by name-calling!!![/p][/quote]" But now Kosher food has been "re-labelled" as Halal " ..... your statement infers that the meat has had its label changed and labelled differently ..... bit of a daft statement really when its 2 different products[/p][/quote]But it isn't 2 different products as they are both slaughtered the same way, thus it is the same! Only difference is the prayer given to the animals before its throat is cut! The "label" is interchangeable and I have known people of both religions buy each others meat just because of the way it was slaughtered - saying that I also know people of both religions who don't adhere to the "traditional" values and just buy any meat and not tell their more "traditional" family members!!!! And lets put it this way, under Christian scriptures we are meant to slaughter the same way with the animals given a prayer before slaughter - but as we are not traditionalists, anymore, it no loner happens. But why are we judging people/religions who keep to there traditional ways? It is not as if we don't hark back, and remember the good old days, of the more traditional values![/p][/quote]you tell a muslim or a jew that kosher aor halal are the same product with just a different label on lol ..... would any muslim posting on here like to admit kosher is the same product as halal .... i think not[/p][/quote]A muslims religion states that if you cannot find halal meat then the next best thing is kosher, do a bit of research[/p][/quote]i don't need research !!!!! why is it the next best thing if its the same product .... it should be equally as good if its the same .... but its not the same otherwise there would be no definition between kosher and halal lv8151
  • Score: -2

10:41pm Thu 15 May 14

lv8151 says...

lv8151 wrote:
Don't read daily mail wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Truth is we have been eating Kosher meat for decades without realising and nothing was ever said. But now Kosher food has been re-labelled as Halal there is a mass uproar.

The Jewish community have had it the best for generations in not telling us on how the animals are slaughtered for their meat.

There is no difference, whatsoever between Kosher and Halal, but we are ready to accept Kosher over Halal wording!!!!!

But if want to be traditionalists, then lets not forget that according to Christian scriptures our meat is meant to bee gained in the exact same way as Kosher meat (primarily because Christianity is an off-shoot of Judaism) and so basically we are breaking our own tradition.
Hahahahaha now Kosher is Halal.... you are Mental.... be telling us next the Nigerian girls kidnapped was Christians..... Fool.
Thoas222

You really are an ignorant person!


Kosher = all meat must come from animals which have been slaughtered according to Jewish law. These strict guidelines require the animal be killed by a single cut across the throat to a precise depth, severing both carotid arteries, both jugular veins, both vagus nerves, the trachea and the esophagus, no higher than the epiglottis and no lower than where cilia begin inside the trachea, causing the animal to bleed to death. Orthodox Jews argue that this ensures the animal dies instantly without unnecessary suffering

Halal = the slaughter must be performed by a Muslim, who must precede the slaughter by invoking the name of Allah, most commonly by saying "Bismillah" ("In the name of God") and then three times "Allahu akbar" (God is the greatest). Then, the animal must be slaughtered with a sharp knife by cutting the throat, windpipe and the blood vessels in the neck, causing the animal’s death without cutting the spinal cord. Lastly, the blood from the veins must be drained.


Now you tell me what the difference between the two is!
Did i say difference ?.. you said the Jewish people were selling it as Halal & also selling it to us over many years and what are you smoking Pal. Where are your links... lol lol.
Once again you have made a fool of yourself

LLets look at what I actually said, "Truth is we have been eating Kosher meat for decades without realising and nothing was ever said. But now Kosher food has been "re-labelled" as Halal there is a mass uproar."

Not once did I say that Jewish people were "selling" it as Halal.

You said that and not me!!!

Then lets look at what you said, "Hahahahaha now Kosher is Halal.... "

It seems to me you actually didn't know there was no difference and now you are trying to hide your ignorance by name-calling!!!
" But now Kosher food has been "re-labelled" as Halal " ..... your statement infers that the meat has had its label changed and labelled differently ..... bit of a daft statement really when its 2 different products
But it isn't 2 different products as they are both slaughtered the same way, thus it is the same! Only difference is the prayer given to the animals before its throat is cut! The "label" is interchangeable and I have known people of both religions buy each others meat just because of the way it was slaughtered - saying that I also know people of both religions who don't adhere to the "traditional" values and just buy any meat and not tell their more "traditional" family members!!!!


And lets put it this way, under Christian scriptures we are meant to slaughter the same way with the animals given a prayer before slaughter - but as we are not traditionalists, anymore, it no loner happens. But why are we judging people/religions who keep to there traditional ways? It is not as if we don't hark back, and remember the good old days, of the more traditional values!
you tell a muslim or a jew that kosher aor halal are the same product with just a different label on lol ..... would any muslim posting on here like to admit kosher is the same product as halal .... i think not
A muslims religion states that if you cannot find halal meat then the next best thing is kosher, do a bit of research
i don't need research !!!!! why is it the next best thing if its the same product .... it should be equally as good if its the same .... but its not the same otherwise there would be no definition between kosher and halal
ok honest question for you to answer this time .... 2 shops next to each other, 1 sells kosher and 1 sells halal, which do you buy from and why ( your answer will prove they are 2 different products ) even if the same meat
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don't read daily mail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Truth is we have been eating Kosher meat for decades without realising and nothing was ever said. But now Kosher food has been re-labelled as Halal there is a mass uproar. The Jewish community have had it the best for generations in not telling us on how the animals are slaughtered for their meat. There is no difference, whatsoever between Kosher and Halal, but we are ready to accept Kosher over Halal wording!!!!! But if want to be traditionalists, then lets not forget that according to Christian scriptures our meat is meant to bee gained in the exact same way as Kosher meat (primarily because Christianity is an off-shoot of Judaism) and so basically we are breaking our own tradition.[/p][/quote]Hahahahaha now Kosher is Halal.... you are Mental.... be telling us next the Nigerian girls kidnapped was Christians..... Fool.[/p][/quote]Thoas222 You really are an ignorant person! Kosher = all meat must come from animals which have been slaughtered according to Jewish law. These strict guidelines require the animal be killed by a single cut across the throat to a precise depth, severing both carotid arteries, both jugular veins, both vagus nerves, the trachea and the esophagus, no higher than the epiglottis and no lower than where cilia begin inside the trachea, causing the animal to bleed to death. Orthodox Jews argue that this ensures the animal dies instantly without unnecessary suffering Halal = the slaughter must be performed by a Muslim, who must precede the slaughter by invoking the name of Allah, most commonly by saying "Bismillah" ("In the name of God") and then three times "Allahu akbar" (God is the greatest). Then, the animal must be slaughtered with a sharp knife by cutting the throat, windpipe and the blood vessels in the neck, causing the animal’s death without cutting the spinal cord. Lastly, the blood from the veins must be drained. Now you tell me what the difference between the two is![/p][/quote]Did i say difference ?.. you said the Jewish people were selling it as Halal & also selling it to us over many years and what are you smoking Pal. Where are your links... lol lol.[/p][/quote]Once again you have made a fool of yourself LLets look at what I actually said, "Truth is we have been eating Kosher meat for decades without realising and nothing was ever said. But now Kosher food has been "re-labelled" as Halal there is a mass uproar." Not once did I say that Jewish people were "selling" it as Halal. You said that and not me!!! Then lets look at what you said, "Hahahahaha now Kosher is Halal.... " It seems to me you actually didn't know there was no difference and now you are trying to hide your ignorance by name-calling!!![/p][/quote]" But now Kosher food has been "re-labelled" as Halal " ..... your statement infers that the meat has had its label changed and labelled differently ..... bit of a daft statement really when its 2 different products[/p][/quote]But it isn't 2 different products as they are both slaughtered the same way, thus it is the same! Only difference is the prayer given to the animals before its throat is cut! The "label" is interchangeable and I have known people of both religions buy each others meat just because of the way it was slaughtered - saying that I also know people of both religions who don't adhere to the "traditional" values and just buy any meat and not tell their more "traditional" family members!!!! And lets put it this way, under Christian scriptures we are meant to slaughter the same way with the animals given a prayer before slaughter - but as we are not traditionalists, anymore, it no loner happens. But why are we judging people/religions who keep to there traditional ways? It is not as if we don't hark back, and remember the good old days, of the more traditional values![/p][/quote]you tell a muslim or a jew that kosher aor halal are the same product with just a different label on lol ..... would any muslim posting on here like to admit kosher is the same product as halal .... i think not[/p][/quote]A muslims religion states that if you cannot find halal meat then the next best thing is kosher, do a bit of research[/p][/quote]i don't need research !!!!! why is it the next best thing if its the same product .... it should be equally as good if its the same .... but its not the same otherwise there would be no definition between kosher and halal[/p][/quote]ok honest question for you to answer this time .... 2 shops next to each other, 1 sells kosher and 1 sells halal, which do you buy from and why ( your answer will prove they are 2 different products ) even if the same meat lv8151
  • Score: -5

10:41pm Thu 15 May 14

Don't read daily mail says...

lv8151 wrote:
Don't read daily mail wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Truth is we have been eating Kosher meat for decades without realising and nothing was ever said. But now Kosher food has been re-labelled as Halal there is a mass uproar.

The Jewish community have had it the best for generations in not telling us on how the animals are slaughtered for their meat.

There is no difference, whatsoever between Kosher and Halal, but we are ready to accept Kosher over Halal wording!!!!!

But if want to be traditionalists, then lets not forget that according to Christian scriptures our meat is meant to bee gained in the exact same way as Kosher meat (primarily because Christianity is an off-shoot of Judaism) and so basically we are breaking our own tradition.
Hahahahaha now Kosher is Halal.... you are Mental.... be telling us next the Nigerian girls kidnapped was Christians..... Fool.
Thoas222

You really are an ignorant person!


Kosher = all meat must come from animals which have been slaughtered according to Jewish law. These strict guidelines require the animal be killed by a single cut across the throat to a precise depth, severing both carotid arteries, both jugular veins, both vagus nerves, the trachea and the esophagus, no higher than the epiglottis and no lower than where cilia begin inside the trachea, causing the animal to bleed to death. Orthodox Jews argue that this ensures the animal dies instantly without unnecessary suffering

Halal = the slaughter must be performed by a Muslim, who must precede the slaughter by invoking the name of Allah, most commonly by saying "Bismillah" ("In the name of God") and then three times "Allahu akbar" (God is the greatest). Then, the animal must be slaughtered with a sharp knife by cutting the throat, windpipe and the blood vessels in the neck, causing the animal’s death without cutting the spinal cord. Lastly, the blood from the veins must be drained.


Now you tell me what the difference between the two is!
Did i say difference ?.. you said the Jewish people were selling it as Halal & also selling it to us over many years and what are you smoking Pal. Where are your links... lol lol.
Once again you have made a fool of yourself

LLets look at what I actually said, "Truth is we have been eating Kosher meat for decades without realising and nothing was ever said. But now Kosher food has been "re-labelled" as Halal there is a mass uproar."

Not once did I say that Jewish people were "selling" it as Halal.

You said that and not me!!!

Then lets look at what you said, "Hahahahaha now Kosher is Halal.... "

It seems to me you actually didn't know there was no difference and now you are trying to hide your ignorance by name-calling!!!
" But now Kosher food has been "re-labelled" as Halal " ..... your statement infers that the meat has had its label changed and labelled differently ..... bit of a daft statement really when its 2 different products
But it isn't 2 different products as they are both slaughtered the same way, thus it is the same! Only difference is the prayer given to the animals before its throat is cut! The "label" is interchangeable and I have known people of both religions buy each others meat just because of the way it was slaughtered - saying that I also know people of both religions who don't adhere to the "traditional" values and just buy any meat and not tell their more "traditional" family members!!!!


And lets put it this way, under Christian scriptures we are meant to slaughter the same way with the animals given a prayer before slaughter - but as we are not traditionalists, anymore, it no loner happens. But why are we judging people/religions who keep to there traditional ways? It is not as if we don't hark back, and remember the good old days, of the more traditional values!
you tell a muslim or a jew that kosher aor halal are the same product with just a different label on lol ..... would any muslim posting on here like to admit kosher is the same product as halal .... i think not
A muslims religion states that if you cannot find halal meat then the next best thing is kosher, do a bit of research
i don't need research !!!!! why is it the next best thing if its the same product .... it should be equally as good if its the same .... but its not the same otherwise there would be no definition between kosher and halal
lol it not the same product and I never said it was. its maybe be slaughtered in the same way but prays are different
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don't read daily mail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Truth is we have been eating Kosher meat for decades without realising and nothing was ever said. But now Kosher food has been re-labelled as Halal there is a mass uproar. The Jewish community have had it the best for generations in not telling us on how the animals are slaughtered for their meat. There is no difference, whatsoever between Kosher and Halal, but we are ready to accept Kosher over Halal wording!!!!! But if want to be traditionalists, then lets not forget that according to Christian scriptures our meat is meant to bee gained in the exact same way as Kosher meat (primarily because Christianity is an off-shoot of Judaism) and so basically we are breaking our own tradition.[/p][/quote]Hahahahaha now Kosher is Halal.... you are Mental.... be telling us next the Nigerian girls kidnapped was Christians..... Fool.[/p][/quote]Thoas222 You really are an ignorant person! Kosher = all meat must come from animals which have been slaughtered according to Jewish law. These strict guidelines require the animal be killed by a single cut across the throat to a precise depth, severing both carotid arteries, both jugular veins, both vagus nerves, the trachea and the esophagus, no higher than the epiglottis and no lower than where cilia begin inside the trachea, causing the animal to bleed to death. Orthodox Jews argue that this ensures the animal dies instantly without unnecessary suffering Halal = the slaughter must be performed by a Muslim, who must precede the slaughter by invoking the name of Allah, most commonly by saying "Bismillah" ("In the name of God") and then three times "Allahu akbar" (God is the greatest). Then, the animal must be slaughtered with a sharp knife by cutting the throat, windpipe and the blood vessels in the neck, causing the animal’s death without cutting the spinal cord. Lastly, the blood from the veins must be drained. Now you tell me what the difference between the two is![/p][/quote]Did i say difference ?.. you said the Jewish people were selling it as Halal & also selling it to us over many years and what are you smoking Pal. Where are your links... lol lol.[/p][/quote]Once again you have made a fool of yourself LLets look at what I actually said, "Truth is we have been eating Kosher meat for decades without realising and nothing was ever said. But now Kosher food has been "re-labelled" as Halal there is a mass uproar." Not once did I say that Jewish people were "selling" it as Halal. You said that and not me!!! Then lets look at what you said, "Hahahahaha now Kosher is Halal.... " It seems to me you actually didn't know there was no difference and now you are trying to hide your ignorance by name-calling!!![/p][/quote]" But now Kosher food has been "re-labelled" as Halal " ..... your statement infers that the meat has had its label changed and labelled differently ..... bit of a daft statement really when its 2 different products[/p][/quote]But it isn't 2 different products as they are both slaughtered the same way, thus it is the same! Only difference is the prayer given to the animals before its throat is cut! The "label" is interchangeable and I have known people of both religions buy each others meat just because of the way it was slaughtered - saying that I also know people of both religions who don't adhere to the "traditional" values and just buy any meat and not tell their more "traditional" family members!!!! And lets put it this way, under Christian scriptures we are meant to slaughter the same way with the animals given a prayer before slaughter - but as we are not traditionalists, anymore, it no loner happens. But why are we judging people/religions who keep to there traditional ways? It is not as if we don't hark back, and remember the good old days, of the more traditional values![/p][/quote]you tell a muslim or a jew that kosher aor halal are the same product with just a different label on lol ..... would any muslim posting on here like to admit kosher is the same product as halal .... i think not[/p][/quote]A muslims religion states that if you cannot find halal meat then the next best thing is kosher, do a bit of research[/p][/quote]i don't need research !!!!! why is it the next best thing if its the same product .... it should be equally as good if its the same .... but its not the same otherwise there would be no definition between kosher and halal[/p][/quote]lol it not the same product and I never said it was. its maybe be slaughtered in the same way but prays are different Don't read daily mail
  • Score: 4

10:42pm Thu 15 May 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Truth is we have been eating Kosher meat for decades without realising and nothing was ever said. But now Kosher food has been re-labelled as Halal there is a mass uproar.

The Jewish community have had it the best for generations in not telling us on how the animals are slaughtered for their meat.

There is no difference, whatsoever between Kosher and Halal, but we are ready to accept Kosher over Halal wording!!!!!

But if want to be traditionalists, then lets not forget that according to Christian scriptures our meat is meant to bee gained in the exact same way as Kosher meat (primarily because Christianity is an off-shoot of Judaism) and so basically we are breaking our own tradition.
Hahahahaha now Kosher is Halal.... you are Mental.... be telling us next the Nigerian girls kidnapped was Christians..... Fool.
Thoas222

You really are an ignorant person!


Kosher = all meat must come from animals which have been slaughtered according to Jewish law. These strict guidelines require the animal be killed by a single cut across the throat to a precise depth, severing both carotid arteries, both jugular veins, both vagus nerves, the trachea and the esophagus, no higher than the epiglottis and no lower than where cilia begin inside the trachea, causing the animal to bleed to death. Orthodox Jews argue that this ensures the animal dies instantly without unnecessary suffering

Halal = the slaughter must be performed by a Muslim, who must precede the slaughter by invoking the name of Allah, most commonly by saying "Bismillah" ("In the name of God") and then three times "Allahu akbar" (God is the greatest). Then, the animal must be slaughtered with a sharp knife by cutting the throat, windpipe and the blood vessels in the neck, causing the animal’s death without cutting the spinal cord. Lastly, the blood from the veins must be drained.


Now you tell me what the difference between the two is!
Did i say difference ?.. you said the Jewish people were selling it as Halal & also selling it to us over many years and what are you smoking Pal. Where are your links... lol lol.
Once again you have made a fool of yourself

LLets look at what I actually said, "Truth is we have been eating Kosher meat for decades without realising and nothing was ever said. But now Kosher food has been "re-labelled" as Halal there is a mass uproar."

Not once did I say that Jewish people were "selling" it as Halal.

You said that and not me!!!

Then lets look at what you said, "Hahahahaha now Kosher is Halal.... "

It seems to me you actually didn't know there was no difference and now you are trying to hide your ignorance by name-calling!!!
Do you want to know you are eating Halal food when you are eating it ?...
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Truth is we have been eating Kosher meat for decades without realising and nothing was ever said. But now Kosher food has been re-labelled as Halal there is a mass uproar. The Jewish community have had it the best for generations in not telling us on how the animals are slaughtered for their meat. There is no difference, whatsoever between Kosher and Halal, but we are ready to accept Kosher over Halal wording!!!!! But if want to be traditionalists, then lets not forget that according to Christian scriptures our meat is meant to bee gained in the exact same way as Kosher meat (primarily because Christianity is an off-shoot of Judaism) and so basically we are breaking our own tradition.[/p][/quote]Hahahahaha now Kosher is Halal.... you are Mental.... be telling us next the Nigerian girls kidnapped was Christians..... Fool.[/p][/quote]Thoas222 You really are an ignorant person! Kosher = all meat must come from animals which have been slaughtered according to Jewish law. These strict guidelines require the animal be killed by a single cut across the throat to a precise depth, severing both carotid arteries, both jugular veins, both vagus nerves, the trachea and the esophagus, no higher than the epiglottis and no lower than where cilia begin inside the trachea, causing the animal to bleed to death. Orthodox Jews argue that this ensures the animal dies instantly without unnecessary suffering Halal = the slaughter must be performed by a Muslim, who must precede the slaughter by invoking the name of Allah, most commonly by saying "Bismillah" ("In the name of God") and then three times "Allahu akbar" (God is the greatest). Then, the animal must be slaughtered with a sharp knife by cutting the throat, windpipe and the blood vessels in the neck, causing the animal’s death without cutting the spinal cord. Lastly, the blood from the veins must be drained. Now you tell me what the difference between the two is![/p][/quote]Did i say difference ?.. you said the Jewish people were selling it as Halal & also selling it to us over many years and what are you smoking Pal. Where are your links... lol lol.[/p][/quote]Once again you have made a fool of yourself LLets look at what I actually said, "Truth is we have been eating Kosher meat for decades without realising and nothing was ever said. But now Kosher food has been "re-labelled" as Halal there is a mass uproar." Not once did I say that Jewish people were "selling" it as Halal. You said that and not me!!! Then lets look at what you said, "Hahahahaha now Kosher is Halal.... " It seems to me you actually didn't know there was no difference and now you are trying to hide your ignorance by name-calling!!![/p][/quote]Do you want to know you are eating Halal food when you are eating it ?... thomas222
  • Score: -2

10:43pm Thu 15 May 14

Don't read daily mail says...

lv8151 wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
Don't read daily mail wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Truth is we have been eating Kosher meat for decades without realising and nothing was ever said. But now Kosher food has been re-labelled as Halal there is a mass uproar.

The Jewish community have had it the best for generations in not telling us on how the animals are slaughtered for their meat.

There is no difference, whatsoever between Kosher and Halal, but we are ready to accept Kosher over Halal wording!!!!!

But if want to be traditionalists, then lets not forget that according to Christian scriptures our meat is meant to bee gained in the exact same way as Kosher meat (primarily because Christianity is an off-shoot of Judaism) and so basically we are breaking our own tradition.
Hahahahaha now Kosher is Halal.... you are Mental.... be telling us next the Nigerian girls kidnapped was Christians..... Fool.
Thoas222

You really are an ignorant person!


Kosher = all meat must come from animals which have been slaughtered according to Jewish law. These strict guidelines require the animal be killed by a single cut across the throat to a precise depth, severing both carotid arteries, both jugular veins, both vagus nerves, the trachea and the esophagus, no higher than the epiglottis and no lower than where cilia begin inside the trachea, causing the animal to bleed to death. Orthodox Jews argue that this ensures the animal dies instantly without unnecessary suffering

Halal = the slaughter must be performed by a Muslim, who must precede the slaughter by invoking the name of Allah, most commonly by saying "Bismillah" ("In the name of God") and then three times "Allahu akbar" (God is the greatest). Then, the animal must be slaughtered with a sharp knife by cutting the throat, windpipe and the blood vessels in the neck, causing the animal’s death without cutting the spinal cord. Lastly, the blood from the veins must be drained.


Now you tell me what the difference between the two is!
Did i say difference ?.. you said the Jewish people were selling it as Halal & also selling it to us over many years and what are you smoking Pal. Where are your links... lol lol.
Once again you have made a fool of yourself

LLets look at what I actually said, "Truth is we have been eating Kosher meat for decades without realising and nothing was ever said. But now Kosher food has been "re-labelled" as Halal there is a mass uproar."

Not once did I say that Jewish people were "selling" it as Halal.

You said that and not me!!!

Then lets look at what you said, "Hahahahaha now Kosher is Halal.... "

It seems to me you actually didn't know there was no difference and now you are trying to hide your ignorance by name-calling!!!
" But now Kosher food has been "re-labelled" as Halal " ..... your statement infers that the meat has had its label changed and labelled differently ..... bit of a daft statement really when its 2 different products
But it isn't 2 different products as they are both slaughtered the same way, thus it is the same! Only difference is the prayer given to the animals before its throat is cut! The "label" is interchangeable and I have known people of both religions buy each others meat just because of the way it was slaughtered - saying that I also know people of both religions who don't adhere to the "traditional" values and just buy any meat and not tell their more "traditional" family members!!!!


And lets put it this way, under Christian scriptures we are meant to slaughter the same way with the animals given a prayer before slaughter - but as we are not traditionalists, anymore, it no loner happens. But why are we judging people/religions who keep to there traditional ways? It is not as if we don't hark back, and remember the good old days, of the more traditional values!
you tell a muslim or a jew that kosher aor halal are the same product with just a different label on lol ..... would any muslim posting on here like to admit kosher is the same product as halal .... i think not
A muslims religion states that if you cannot find halal meat then the next best thing is kosher, do a bit of research
i don't need research !!!!! why is it the next best thing if its the same product .... it should be equally as good if its the same .... but its not the same otherwise there would be no definition between kosher and halal
ok honest question for you to answer this time .... 2 shops next to each other, 1 sells kosher and 1 sells halal, which do you buy from and why ( your answer will prove they are 2 different products ) even if the same meat
I would buy from the halal one off course, not he same as stated in my earlier comment
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don't read daily mail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Truth is we have been eating Kosher meat for decades without realising and nothing was ever said. But now Kosher food has been re-labelled as Halal there is a mass uproar. The Jewish community have had it the best for generations in not telling us on how the animals are slaughtered for their meat. There is no difference, whatsoever between Kosher and Halal, but we are ready to accept Kosher over Halal wording!!!!! But if want to be traditionalists, then lets not forget that according to Christian scriptures our meat is meant to bee gained in the exact same way as Kosher meat (primarily because Christianity is an off-shoot of Judaism) and so basically we are breaking our own tradition.[/p][/quote]Hahahahaha now Kosher is Halal.... you are Mental.... be telling us next the Nigerian girls kidnapped was Christians..... Fool.[/p][/quote]Thoas222 You really are an ignorant person! Kosher = all meat must come from animals which have been slaughtered according to Jewish law. These strict guidelines require the animal be killed by a single cut across the throat to a precise depth, severing both carotid arteries, both jugular veins, both vagus nerves, the trachea and the esophagus, no higher than the epiglottis and no lower than where cilia begin inside the trachea, causing the animal to bleed to death. Orthodox Jews argue that this ensures the animal dies instantly without unnecessary suffering Halal = the slaughter must be performed by a Muslim, who must precede the slaughter by invoking the name of Allah, most commonly by saying "Bismillah" ("In the name of God") and then three times "Allahu akbar" (God is the greatest). Then, the animal must be slaughtered with a sharp knife by cutting the throat, windpipe and the blood vessels in the neck, causing the animal’s death without cutting the spinal cord. Lastly, the blood from the veins must be drained. Now you tell me what the difference between the two is![/p][/quote]Did i say difference ?.. you said the Jewish people were selling it as Halal & also selling it to us over many years and what are you smoking Pal. Where are your links... lol lol.[/p][/quote]Once again you have made a fool of yourself LLets look at what I actually said, "Truth is we have been eating Kosher meat for decades without realising and nothing was ever said. But now Kosher food has been "re-labelled" as Halal there is a mass uproar." Not once did I say that Jewish people were "selling" it as Halal. You said that and not me!!! Then lets look at what you said, "Hahahahaha now Kosher is Halal.... " It seems to me you actually didn't know there was no difference and now you are trying to hide your ignorance by name-calling!!![/p][/quote]" But now Kosher food has been "re-labelled" as Halal " ..... your statement infers that the meat has had its label changed and labelled differently ..... bit of a daft statement really when its 2 different products[/p][/quote]But it isn't 2 different products as they are both slaughtered the same way, thus it is the same! Only difference is the prayer given to the animals before its throat is cut! The "label" is interchangeable and I have known people of both religions buy each others meat just because of the way it was slaughtered - saying that I also know people of both religions who don't adhere to the "traditional" values and just buy any meat and not tell their more "traditional" family members!!!! And lets put it this way, under Christian scriptures we are meant to slaughter the same way with the animals given a prayer before slaughter - but as we are not traditionalists, anymore, it no loner happens. But why are we judging people/religions who keep to there traditional ways? It is not as if we don't hark back, and remember the good old days, of the more traditional values![/p][/quote]you tell a muslim or a jew that kosher aor halal are the same product with just a different label on lol ..... would any muslim posting on here like to admit kosher is the same product as halal .... i think not[/p][/quote]A muslims religion states that if you cannot find halal meat then the next best thing is kosher, do a bit of research[/p][/quote]i don't need research !!!!! why is it the next best thing if its the same product .... it should be equally as good if its the same .... but its not the same otherwise there would be no definition between kosher and halal[/p][/quote]ok honest question for you to answer this time .... 2 shops next to each other, 1 sells kosher and 1 sells halal, which do you buy from and why ( your answer will prove they are 2 different products ) even if the same meat[/p][/quote]I would buy from the halal one off course, not he same as stated in my earlier comment Don't read daily mail
  • Score: 4

11:10pm Thu 15 May 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Truth is we have been eating Kosher meat for decades without realising and nothing was ever said. But now Kosher food has been re-labelled as Halal there is a mass uproar.

The Jewish community have had it the best for generations in not telling us on how the animals are slaughtered for their meat.

There is no difference, whatsoever between Kosher and Halal, but we are ready to accept Kosher over Halal wording!!!!!

But if want to be traditionalists, then lets not forget that according to Christian scriptures our meat is meant to bee gained in the exact same way as Kosher meat (primarily because Christianity is an off-shoot of Judaism) and so basically we are breaking our own tradition.
Hahahahaha now Kosher is Halal.... you are Mental.... be telling us next the Nigerian girls kidnapped was Christians..... Fool.
Thoas222

You really are an ignorant person!


Kosher = all meat must come from animals which have been slaughtered according to Jewish law. These strict guidelines require the animal be killed by a single cut across the throat to a precise depth, severing both carotid arteries, both jugular veins, both vagus nerves, the trachea and the esophagus, no higher than the epiglottis and no lower than where cilia begin inside the trachea, causing the animal to bleed to death. Orthodox Jews argue that this ensures the animal dies instantly without unnecessary suffering

Halal = the slaughter must be performed by a Muslim, who must precede the slaughter by invoking the name of Allah, most commonly by saying "Bismillah" ("In the name of God") and then three times "Allahu akbar" (God is the greatest). Then, the animal must be slaughtered with a sharp knife by cutting the throat, windpipe and the blood vessels in the neck, causing the animal’s death without cutting the spinal cord. Lastly, the blood from the veins must be drained.


Now you tell me what the difference between the two is!
Did i say difference ?.. you said the Jewish people were selling it as Halal & also selling it to us over many years and what are you smoking Pal. Where are your links... lol lol.
Once again you have made a fool of yourself

LLets look at what I actually said, "Truth is we have been eating Kosher meat for decades without realising and nothing was ever said. But now Kosher food has been "re-labelled" as Halal there is a mass uproar."

Not once did I say that Jewish people were "selling" it as Halal.

You said that and not me!!!

Then lets look at what you said, "Hahahahaha now Kosher is Halal.... "

It seems to me you actually didn't know there was no difference and now you are trying to hide your ignorance by name-calling!!!
Do you want to know you are eating Halal food when you are eating it ?...
To be fair I am not bothered if it is or isn't halal. It is meat and the animal has been slaughtered for its meat.

I have had Schawarma, Kapsalon, Kebabs and even eaten with Muslim families and it hasn't affected me, I am still me I am not ill nor have I been ill by eating it!

I have even bought schawarma meat from the local supermarket for myself!!!

So a simple answer is not bothered!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Truth is we have been eating Kosher meat for decades without realising and nothing was ever said. But now Kosher food has been re-labelled as Halal there is a mass uproar. The Jewish community have had it the best for generations in not telling us on how the animals are slaughtered for their meat. There is no difference, whatsoever between Kosher and Halal, but we are ready to accept Kosher over Halal wording!!!!! But if want to be traditionalists, then lets not forget that according to Christian scriptures our meat is meant to bee gained in the exact same way as Kosher meat (primarily because Christianity is an off-shoot of Judaism) and so basically we are breaking our own tradition.[/p][/quote]Hahahahaha now Kosher is Halal.... you are Mental.... be telling us next the Nigerian girls kidnapped was Christians..... Fool.[/p][/quote]Thoas222 You really are an ignorant person! Kosher = all meat must come from animals which have been slaughtered according to Jewish law. These strict guidelines require the animal be killed by a single cut across the throat to a precise depth, severing both carotid arteries, both jugular veins, both vagus nerves, the trachea and the esophagus, no higher than the epiglottis and no lower than where cilia begin inside the trachea, causing the animal to bleed to death. Orthodox Jews argue that this ensures the animal dies instantly without unnecessary suffering Halal = the slaughter must be performed by a Muslim, who must precede the slaughter by invoking the name of Allah, most commonly by saying "Bismillah" ("In the name of God") and then three times "Allahu akbar" (God is the greatest). Then, the animal must be slaughtered with a sharp knife by cutting the throat, windpipe and the blood vessels in the neck, causing the animal’s death without cutting the spinal cord. Lastly, the blood from the veins must be drained. Now you tell me what the difference between the two is![/p][/quote]Did i say difference ?.. you said the Jewish people were selling it as Halal & also selling it to us over many years and what are you smoking Pal. Where are your links... lol lol.[/p][/quote]Once again you have made a fool of yourself LLets look at what I actually said, "Truth is we have been eating Kosher meat for decades without realising and nothing was ever said. But now Kosher food has been "re-labelled" as Halal there is a mass uproar." Not once did I say that Jewish people were "selling" it as Halal. You said that and not me!!! Then lets look at what you said, "Hahahahaha now Kosher is Halal.... " It seems to me you actually didn't know there was no difference and now you are trying to hide your ignorance by name-calling!!![/p][/quote]Do you want to know you are eating Halal food when you are eating it ?...[/p][/quote]To be fair I am not bothered if it is or isn't halal. It is meat and the animal has been slaughtered for its meat. I have had Schawarma, Kapsalon, Kebabs and even eaten with Muslim families and it hasn't affected me, I am still me I am not ill nor have I been ill by eating it! I have even bought schawarma meat from the local supermarket for myself!!! So a simple answer is not bothered! The Righteous One
  • Score: -10

11:20pm Thu 15 May 14

jenberts says...

During the horse meat scandal, people who ate and used halal meat products were probably the most confident of all people that the meat that they had been eating was NOT horse ! Halal meat is probably a lot safer to eat than and has higher standards of cleanliness and purity than that of none Halal meat ? Its about trust , information and choice . I believe that you should be informed about what your eating and its up to the individual to decide whether it is ethical or healthy to put things in your own mouth or not . Everyone who is moaning and complaining about meat should look at the whole of the meat industry and how all animals are looked after while they are waiting to be slaughtered. I for one am more concerned about what the cow, pig, goat, or in some cases horse ate before I ate it . Lets not just stop at meat there is a lot going on with GM crops and the use of pesticides that kill off bees with out them we would have a lot less of a choice about what we are eating. There are a lot more immoral things going on with our food than what is best for an animal ... whether it is shot, stunned , has its neck slashed or is skinned alive is the least of my worries
During the horse meat scandal, people who ate and used halal meat products were probably the most confident of all people that the meat that they had been eating was NOT horse ! Halal meat is probably a lot safer to eat than and has higher standards of cleanliness and purity than that of none Halal meat ? Its about trust , information and choice . I believe that you should be informed about what your eating and its up to the individual to decide whether it is ethical or healthy to put things in your own mouth or not . Everyone who is moaning and complaining about meat should look at the whole of the meat industry and how all animals are looked after while they are waiting to be slaughtered. I for one am more concerned about what the cow, pig, goat, or in some cases horse ate before I ate it . Lets not just stop at meat there is a lot going on with GM crops and the use of pesticides that kill off bees with out them we would have a lot less of a choice about what we are eating. There are a lot more immoral things going on with our food than what is best for an animal ... whether it is shot, stunned , has its neck slashed or is skinned alive is the least of my worries jenberts
  • Score: 6

11:57pm Thu 15 May 14

Toybox says...

Meat is murder.
Meat is murder. Toybox
  • Score: -3

7:25am Fri 16 May 14

Greasy Chip Butty says...

Gonna get stuck into my halal New Zealand lamb from Wayne Walkers.
Hmm... can't wait.
Gonna get stuck into my halal New Zealand lamb from Wayne Walkers. Hmm... can't wait. Greasy Chip Butty
  • Score: -3

8:32am Fri 16 May 14

mb63 says...

waka flocks flame wrote:
Thatissowrong wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.
Spot on. I know I'll get called a racist for saying the following but it has to be said. Muslims are very quick to protest, take offence too easily and need to stop playing the racist card. You are a minority which is given leeway far in excess of your numbers in this country. Stop moaning. Oh I forgot - the more you shout the more concessions you get. It's very tedious.
What concessions and leeway do Muslims get that non Muslims get?
Are you taking the p**s?

Where do you want me to start?
[quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.[/p][/quote]Spot on. I know I'll get called a racist for saying the following but it has to be said. Muslims are very quick to protest, take offence too easily and need to stop playing the racist card. You are a minority which is given leeway far in excess of your numbers in this country. Stop moaning. Oh I forgot - the more you shout the more concessions you get. It's very tedious.[/p][/quote]What concessions and leeway do Muslims get that non Muslims get?[/p][/quote]Are you taking the p**s? Where do you want me to start? mb63
  • Score: 0

8:32am Fri 16 May 14

mb63 says...

waka flocks flame wrote:
Thatissowrong wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.
Spot on. I know I'll get called a racist for saying the following but it has to be said. Muslims are very quick to protest, take offence too easily and need to stop playing the racist card. You are a minority which is given leeway far in excess of your numbers in this country. Stop moaning. Oh I forgot - the more you shout the more concessions you get. It's very tedious.
What concessions and leeway do Muslims get that non Muslims get?
Are you taking the p**s?

Where do you want me to start?
[quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: What is so wrong that people who pay the money for the goods do not have right to know what it is. This goes for Christians, Muslims & Jewish. Its all about the Racist card yet again shutting down any debate to steer the debate off course.[/p][/quote]Spot on. I know I'll get called a racist for saying the following but it has to be said. Muslims are very quick to protest, take offence too easily and need to stop playing the racist card. You are a minority which is given leeway far in excess of your numbers in this country. Stop moaning. Oh I forgot - the more you shout the more concessions you get. It's very tedious.[/p][/quote]What concessions and leeway do Muslims get that non Muslims get?[/p][/quote]Are you taking the p**s? Where do you want me to start? mb63
  • Score: -3

9:45am Fri 16 May 14

Jim271 says...

Replytohatersandscum wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
Who is she again???? The woman who disappears on jollies paid for by "interested parties" and is no doubt a big fan of the giant Mosque that's being built despite local opposition, She only represents her community, I suggest people do not vote for her in future.
you must be a specail kind of stupid like most the scum on here how did she get the job as mp by being VOTED IN and as for she only represents her community that would be BOLTON community you like the rest of the scum should move out of bolton and go live in a **** hole somewhere plenty of places where theres no "immigrants "
LOL People in BOLTON SOUTH will vote a LAMP POST if you put a red rosette on it,

You are showing the typical tolerance of the FAR LEFT.

Communism does not work, it has killed more people than facism ever did. Bolton South is one of the safest Labour Seats so they Labour party put in the TOKEN ASIAN WOMAN.

Who never gets anything done but milks the system.
[quote][p][bold]Replytohatersandscum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Who is she again???? The woman who disappears on jollies paid for by "interested parties" and is no doubt a big fan of the giant Mosque that's being built despite local opposition, She only represents her community, I suggest people do not vote for her in future.[/p][/quote]you must be a specail kind of stupid like most the scum on here how did she get the job as mp by being VOTED IN and as for she only represents her community that would be BOLTON community you like the rest of the scum should move out of bolton and go live in a **** hole somewhere plenty of places where theres no "immigrants "[/p][/quote]LOL People in BOLTON SOUTH will vote a LAMP POST if you put a red rosette on it, You are showing the typical tolerance of the FAR LEFT. Communism does not work, it has killed more people than facism ever did. Bolton South is one of the safest Labour Seats so they Labour party put in the TOKEN ASIAN WOMAN. Who never gets anything done but milks the system. Jim271
  • Score: 6

10:51am Fri 16 May 14

eatmytruth says...

Rememberscarborough wrote:
If a deep incision in a vein in the neck is the most painless way of killing an animal why do governments around the world not use this to carry out death penalties? Also, why is an animal's right to a painless death more important than the rights of a woman accused of adultery in certain Islamic states? Are animals viewed as having greater rights than women in these countries?
Actually the penalties are for men too. If a man comits adultery they are both swntenced tod eath by stoning. If a man leaves the religion he also fces the same punishment. It is not about womens rights at all.
And we cant do the same to animals because they are not being punished.
The dofference between muslims, orthodox christians and orthodox jews vs the rest of the world is that we take our religion seriously. If you understood what God is, you wouldnt compromise on His. Do you believe in God? If no, what is the purpose of life? Did we evolve from monkeys?
The debate isnt just halal is this and we dont like it. It is way deeper than that. And unless you understand the concept of God. You will never understand why people take religion seriously

But back to the debate. If you have a problem with supermarkets not labelling halal. Write to them. End of debate.
[quote][p][bold]Rememberscarborough[/bold] wrote: If a deep incision in a vein in the neck is the most painless way of killing an animal why do governments around the world not use this to carry out death penalties? Also, why is an animal's right to a painless death more important than the rights of a woman accused of adultery in certain Islamic states? Are animals viewed as having greater rights than women in these countries?[/p][/quote]Actually the penalties are for men too. If a man comits adultery they are both swntenced tod eath by stoning. If a man leaves the religion he also fces the same punishment. It is not about womens rights at all. And we cant do the same to animals because they are not being punished. The dofference between muslims, orthodox christians and orthodox jews vs the rest of the world is that we take our religion seriously. If you understood what God is, you wouldnt compromise on His. Do you believe in God? If no, what is the purpose of life? Did we evolve from monkeys? The debate isnt just halal is this and we dont like it. It is way deeper than that. And unless you understand the concept of God. You will never understand why people take religion seriously But back to the debate. If you have a problem with supermarkets not labelling halal. Write to them. End of debate. eatmytruth
  • Score: 4

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