Elaine O'Flynn's election analysis: Will Westminster listen to will of the people after Bolton UKIP vote?

Alan Bury and Stephen Pickup win seats for Labour in Horwich and Blackrod

Cllr Martyn Cox celebrates his election victory

The Bolton News' politics correspondent Elaine O'Flynn

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Elaine O’Flynn reflects on the possible ramifications of the local election results

THIS election was always going to be different.

With UKIP dominating the national headlines and the European ballot on the same day, the potential for upset at Bolton Town Hall was potent.

This, and the fact UKIP have never fought a local election before — bar a number of Horwich by-elections — meant no-one was sure what impact the party was going to make.

As the ballot boxes rolled into Bolton Arena and the counting began, you could cut the tension with a knife.

Usually at counts, groups of campaigners clamour for a space among marginal seats, eagerly carrying out their own straw polls to get a premature calculation.

This year only the Liberal Democrats huddled protectively around Smithills — everyone else spread thinly, desperately watching each ward. No-one felt safe.

The results reflect this. Labour maintained significant overall control, but it will be extremely worrying to the leadership that in traditional strongholds — Little Lever, Kearsley, Farnworth and Tonge with the Haulgh — UKIP is now hot on its tails.

Senior members of Labour and the Conservatives readily admitted their own research, carried out of the doorstep, did not tally with the official count.

People weren’t admitting to voting UKIP when visited by other parties, they argued — they were ashamed to vote for them, and did so in stealth.

So why have people voted UKIP? The European elections and extra national attention will be a factor, but Bolton residents are clearly worried about immigration and UKIP has articulated that fear successfully.

When UKIP councillors Paul Richardson and Diane Parkinson take their seats in the council chamber, they will have no say on UK border regulations.

But the mere fact they now sit in the town hall in the place of well-known and established local councillors should act as a message to national leaders that Bolton and Britain are ready and want a debate on Europe.

Combined with the MEP elections on Sunday, UKIP’s political earthquake in Bolton will surely send tremors in Westminster.

The only question left is will they listen?

ELECTION FACTS AND FIGURES

  • Number of polling stations: 109
  • Number of ballot boxes: 125
  • Turnout: 37.3 per cent (compared to 32 per cent in 2012)
  • Total number of postal voting applications: 33,960 (compared with 34,731 in 2012 — a two per cent reduction)
  • Total electorate: 199,089
  • Vote count: 74,294

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11:58am Sat 24 May 14

thomas222 says...

Stage one completed, number two next year. They were all warned but chose to ignore.
Stage one completed, number two next year. They were all warned but chose to ignore. thomas222
  • Score: -15

12:34pm Sat 24 May 14

Beyond News Forum says...

The shills of the big three are out in force.

Still they say "protest vote" and "racist UKIP" yet the party has won hearts and mind legitimately from people representing a 'multicultural' UKIP.

So the big three continue to ignore what has been said by the people with their votes. So the chance they will 'listen' to the people will be next to zero.

People do not trust Westminster at all. We do not trust that they will make policy changes, we also know they will copy the policies of UKIP and then shirk when they get the hotseats in Parliament. They are ALL liars within Liebore, Conservative and Libral Democrats. The people have seen through their nonsense and comedy debates.

The people have seen through Duperope and the warmongering cronyism of the corporate military manufacturing fiends of the government.

The people have seen through the lies of immigration and the bailing out of banks that should have been allowed to fail like in Iceland.

The people have seen through the lies and deceit in the scandal that is 'punish the people' for the financial mistakes of investors and bankers along with government overspending and warring with counties in the name of 'National Security'.

The people have seen through the 'friendship' with American warlords and criminals in the US Administration.

The people have seen through the lies of where our tax money is spent killing off our public services, pensions, jobs and NHS.

The people see through the lies of the Frackers and the government stupidity.

The people have seen through the lies of oil and gas buddies of the government who continue to shun greener, free energies.

The people have seen through those who continue to brainwash the older generation into thinking the old ways are still best.

The people have seen through the mainstream media propaganda and BS (including the Bolton News who pander to the Liebore council at every given opportunity and are NOT a community news source but a council propaganda tool).

The people have seen through it ALL... So the big three can take their 'paid shills' and 'spinners' and shove them where the sun does not shine.

The big three have been warned that we the people are coming to get them... They the government and the big three parties are running scared... but the short answer to the question posed by the BN... the answer is NO!
The shills of the big three are out in force. Still they say "protest vote" and "racist UKIP" yet the party has won hearts and mind legitimately from people representing a 'multicultural' UKIP. So the big three continue to ignore what has been said by the people with their votes. So the chance they will 'listen' to the people will be next to zero. People do not trust Westminster at all. We do not trust that they will make policy changes, we also know they will copy the policies of UKIP and then shirk when they get the hotseats in Parliament. They are ALL liars within Liebore, Conservative and Libral Democrats. The people have seen through their nonsense and comedy debates. The people have seen through Duperope and the warmongering cronyism of the corporate military manufacturing fiends of the government. The people have seen through the lies of immigration and the bailing out of banks that should have been allowed to fail like in Iceland. The people have seen through the lies and deceit in the scandal that is 'punish the people' for the financial mistakes of investors and bankers along with government overspending and warring with counties in the name of 'National Security'. The people have seen through the 'friendship' with American warlords and criminals in the US Administration. The people have seen through the lies of where our tax money is spent killing off our public services, pensions, jobs and NHS. The people see through the lies of the Frackers and the government stupidity. The people have seen through the lies of oil and gas buddies of the government who continue to shun greener, free energies. The people have seen through those who continue to brainwash the older generation into thinking the old ways are still best. The people have seen through the mainstream media propaganda and BS (including the Bolton News who pander to the Liebore council at every given opportunity and are NOT a community news source but a council propaganda tool). The people have seen through it ALL... So the big three can take their 'paid shills' and 'spinners' and shove them where the sun does not shine. The big three have been warned that we the people are coming to get them... They the government and the big three parties are running scared... but the short answer to the question posed by the BN... the answer is NO! Beyond News Forum
  • Score: -9

12:35pm Sat 24 May 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Watch all the Liebore, Liberal and Conservative thumbs down in 3... 2... 1...
Watch all the Liebore, Liberal and Conservative thumbs down in 3... 2... 1... Beyond News Forum
  • Score: -11

12:36pm Sat 24 May 14

markthementalist says...

Elaine......... People do not vote UKIP just because they are worried about immigration! People want a real alternative to the old three way vote of the past.
Bolton is now an awful town but I do not have faith in Labour, Tories or Liblab to restore it to it's former glory. Maybe people voted UKIP because they want out of Europe? Did you think of this point?
Elaine......... People do not vote UKIP just because they are worried about immigration! People want a real alternative to the old three way vote of the past. Bolton is now an awful town but I do not have faith in Labour, Tories or Liblab to restore it to it's former glory. Maybe people voted UKIP because they want out of Europe? Did you think of this point? markthementalist
  • Score: -13

12:38pm Sat 24 May 14

markthementalist says...

markthementalist wrote:
Elaine......... People do not vote UKIP just because they are worried about immigration! People want a real alternative to the old three way vote of the past.
Bolton is now an awful town but I do not have faith in Labour, Tories or Liblab to restore it to it's former glory. Maybe people voted UKIP because they want out of Europe? Did you think of this point?
* Libdem!
[quote][p][bold]markthementalist[/bold] wrote: Elaine......... People do not vote UKIP just because they are worried about immigration! People want a real alternative to the old three way vote of the past. Bolton is now an awful town but I do not have faith in Labour, Tories or Liblab to restore it to it's former glory. Maybe people voted UKIP because they want out of Europe? Did you think of this point?[/p][/quote]* Libdem! markthementalist
  • Score: -17

12:38pm Sat 24 May 14

markthementalist says...

markthementalist wrote:
Elaine......... People do not vote UKIP just because they are worried about immigration! People want a real alternative to the old three way vote of the past.
Bolton is now an awful town but I do not have faith in Labour, Tories or Liblab to restore it to it's former glory. Maybe people voted UKIP because they want out of Europe? Did you think of this point?
* Libdem!
[quote][p][bold]markthementalist[/bold] wrote: Elaine......... People do not vote UKIP just because they are worried about immigration! People want a real alternative to the old three way vote of the past. Bolton is now an awful town but I do not have faith in Labour, Tories or Liblab to restore it to it's former glory. Maybe people voted UKIP because they want out of Europe? Did you think of this point?[/p][/quote]* Libdem! markthementalist
  • Score: -21

12:45pm Sat 24 May 14

Beyond News Forum says...

And so the Liebore, LibDem and Conservative thumbs downs begin... the truth is they do not like the truth and so will continue to lie. That is why the thumbs down will roll on from their brainwashed supporters and their party members and leaders.

I concur.
And so the Liebore, LibDem and Conservative thumbs downs begin... the truth is they do not like the truth and so will continue to lie. That is why the thumbs down will roll on from their brainwashed supporters and their party members and leaders. I concur. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: -17

12:51pm Sat 24 May 14

Beyond News Forum says...

So instead of issuing thumbs down, issue your statements HERE on the BN board your policies, your promises and why you think my statement is BS... let the Bolton public read EXACTLY how you work, how you propose changes to what I have stated (the truth of the matter).

You lot just do not like the truth that is staring EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THIS COUNTRY IN THE FACE. The big three are liars, cheats and deceivers - don't just thumbs down.

Explain:

Why continue to fund war when our country is in the sh!t?

Why continue to bail out banks and issue small pocket change fines to banks, energy companies etc for ripping the people off?

Why continue to lie about immigration and take funds away from immigration services and border control?

Why continue to take money away from the public purse when you should be taking money from the institutions and corrupt government officials that bungled their way through parliament since 2001 when those towers fell and helped create sub-prime lending?

Where does all that Road Tax go? Our roads are third world.

I could go on...
So instead of issuing thumbs down, issue your statements HERE on the BN board your policies, your promises and why you think my statement is BS... let the Bolton public read EXACTLY how you work, how you propose changes to what I have stated (the truth of the matter). You lot just do not like the truth that is staring EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THIS COUNTRY IN THE FACE. The big three are liars, cheats and deceivers - don't just thumbs down. Explain: Why continue to fund war when our country is in the sh!t? Why continue to bail out banks and issue small pocket change fines to banks, energy companies etc for ripping the people off? Why continue to lie about immigration and take funds away from immigration services and border control? Why continue to take money away from the public purse when you should be taking money from the institutions and corrupt government officials that bungled their way through parliament since 2001 when those towers fell and helped create sub-prime lending? Where does all that Road Tax go? Our roads are third world. I could go on... Beyond News Forum
  • Score: -15

1:15pm Sat 24 May 14

Puffin-Billy says...

And the will of the people is..................
..it would seem...

to vote for a party which, through its membership of the EFD officially supports:
Fascism, Racism, Homophobia, and Misogyny.

to legitimise, and officially welcome Fascism, Racism, Homophobia, and Misogyny into Bolton Town Hall.

to give them respectability, and officially sanctioned, them and set them free to stalk the streets of Bolton.

to vote for Fascism, Racism, Homophobia, and Misogyny, and insult the memory of the fallen of the First and Second World Wars.

.....From Wilfred Owen's Futility:
"Was it for this the clay grew tall?
—O what made fatuous sunbeams toil
To break earth’s sleep at all?"

.....Inscription on Bolton Cenotaph:
“Tell ye your children our brothers died to win a better World our part must be to strive for truth goodwill and peace that their sacrifice be not in vain” .
And the will of the people is.................. ..it would seem... to vote for a party which, through its membership of the EFD officially supports: Fascism, Racism, Homophobia, and Misogyny. to legitimise, and officially welcome Fascism, Racism, Homophobia, and Misogyny into Bolton Town Hall. to give them respectability, and officially sanctioned, them and set them free to stalk the streets of Bolton. to vote for Fascism, Racism, Homophobia, and Misogyny, and insult the memory of the fallen of the First and Second World Wars. .....From Wilfred Owen's Futility: "Was it for this the clay grew tall? —O what made fatuous sunbeams toil To break earth’s sleep at all?" .....Inscription on Bolton Cenotaph: “Tell ye your children our brothers died to win a better World our part must be to strive for truth goodwill and peace that their sacrifice be not in vain” . Puffin-Billy
  • Score: -3

1:28pm Sat 24 May 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Puffin-Billy wrote:
And the will of the people is..................

..it would seem...

to vote for a party which, through its membership of the EFD officially supports:
Fascism, Racism, Homophobia, and Misogyny.

to legitimise, and officially welcome Fascism, Racism, Homophobia, and Misogyny into Bolton Town Hall.

to give them respectability, and officially sanctioned, them and set them free to stalk the streets of Bolton.

to vote for Fascism, Racism, Homophobia, and Misogyny, and insult the memory of the fallen of the First and Second World Wars.

.....From Wilfred Owen's Futility:
"Was it for this the clay grew tall?
—O what made fatuous sunbeams toil
To break earth’s sleep at all?"

.....Inscription on Bolton Cenotaph:
“Tell ye your children our brothers died to win a better World our part must be to strive for truth goodwill and peace that their sacrifice be not in vain” .
Homophobia? this would mean that someone is too scared to go out of the house for fear of... do not over-dramatize.

And actually you need to take a look at their list of candidate - you might be surprised and realize your statement is belligerent nonsense.
[quote][p][bold]Puffin-Billy[/bold] wrote: And the will of the people is.................. ..it would seem... to vote for a party which, through its membership of the EFD officially supports: Fascism, Racism, Homophobia, and Misogyny. to legitimise, and officially welcome Fascism, Racism, Homophobia, and Misogyny into Bolton Town Hall. to give them respectability, and officially sanctioned, them and set them free to stalk the streets of Bolton. to vote for Fascism, Racism, Homophobia, and Misogyny, and insult the memory of the fallen of the First and Second World Wars. .....From Wilfred Owen's Futility: "Was it for this the clay grew tall? —O what made fatuous sunbeams toil To break earth’s sleep at all?" .....Inscription on Bolton Cenotaph: “Tell ye your children our brothers died to win a better World our part must be to strive for truth goodwill and peace that their sacrifice be not in vain” .[/p][/quote]Homophobia? this would mean that someone is too scared to go out of the house for fear of... do not over-dramatize. And actually you need to take a look at their list of candidate - you might be surprised and realize your statement is belligerent nonsense. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: -7

2:09pm Sat 24 May 14

thomas222 says...

Puffin-Billy wrote:
And the will of the people is..................

..it would seem...

to vote for a party which, through its membership of the EFD officially supports:
Fascism, Racism, Homophobia, and Misogyny.

to legitimise, and officially welcome Fascism, Racism, Homophobia, and Misogyny into Bolton Town Hall.

to give them respectability, and officially sanctioned, them and set them free to stalk the streets of Bolton.

to vote for Fascism, Racism, Homophobia, and Misogyny, and insult the memory of the fallen of the First and Second World Wars.

.....From Wilfred Owen's Futility:
"Was it for this the clay grew tall?
—O what made fatuous sunbeams toil
To break earth’s sleep at all?"

.....Inscription on Bolton Cenotaph:
“Tell ye your children our brothers died to win a better World our part must be to strive for truth goodwill and peace that their sacrifice be not in vain” .
Cometh the Hour,cometh the Man. Farage is that Man and just in time too.
[quote][p][bold]Puffin-Billy[/bold] wrote: And the will of the people is.................. ..it would seem... to vote for a party which, through its membership of the EFD officially supports: Fascism, Racism, Homophobia, and Misogyny. to legitimise, and officially welcome Fascism, Racism, Homophobia, and Misogyny into Bolton Town Hall. to give them respectability, and officially sanctioned, them and set them free to stalk the streets of Bolton. to vote for Fascism, Racism, Homophobia, and Misogyny, and insult the memory of the fallen of the First and Second World Wars. .....From Wilfred Owen's Futility: "Was it for this the clay grew tall? —O what made fatuous sunbeams toil To break earth’s sleep at all?" .....Inscription on Bolton Cenotaph: “Tell ye your children our brothers died to win a better World our part must be to strive for truth goodwill and peace that their sacrifice be not in vain” .[/p][/quote]Cometh the Hour,cometh the Man. Farage is that Man and just in time too. thomas222
  • Score: -14

2:18pm Sat 24 May 14

nigella farrage says...

Maybe Suzanne Evans, UKIP Party Spokesperson, was correct in her assumption that her party did not succeed in Greater London because the electorate were, "educated, cultural and young."

Beyond News must fall into the not so educated and cultural, as Beyond News does not even realise that the "Road Tax" does not actually exist, and never has. It is the Vehicle Excise Duty and the money goes to Central Government. In fact there are many vehicles both old and new that do not actually pay vehicle excise duty because of the low emissions This basically helps to pay for the motorways and major trunk roads. All other local roads are paid for from the various local councils and as such are paid for from the Council Tax.

When was the last time the Government bailed out a Bank, and what would have happened if the Bank had not been bailed?
How many savers would the collapse of the RBS Group had effected and how would have that impacted on the finances of the country?
Maybe Suzanne Evans, UKIP Party Spokesperson, was correct in her assumption that her party did not succeed in Greater London because the electorate were, "educated, cultural and young." Beyond News must fall into the not so educated and cultural, as Beyond News does not even realise that the "Road Tax" does not actually exist, and never has. It is the Vehicle Excise Duty and the money goes to Central Government. In fact there are many vehicles both old and new that do not actually pay vehicle excise duty because of the low emissions This basically helps to pay for the motorways and major trunk roads. All other local roads are paid for from the various local councils and as such are paid for from the Council Tax. When was the last time the Government bailed out a Bank, and what would have happened if the Bank had not been bailed? How many savers would the collapse of the RBS Group had effected and how would have that impacted on the finances of the country? nigella farrage
  • Score: 14

3:04pm Sat 24 May 14

holloway_david says...

Beyond News Forum wrote:
The shills of the big three are out in force.

Still they say "protest vote" and "racist UKIP" yet the party has won hearts and mind legitimately from people representing a 'multicultural' UKIP.

So the big three continue to ignore what has been said by the people with their votes. So the chance they will 'listen' to the people will be next to zero.

People do not trust Westminster at all. We do not trust that they will make policy changes, we also know they will copy the policies of UKIP and then shirk when they get the hotseats in Parliament. They are ALL liars within Liebore, Conservative and Libral Democrats. The people have seen through their nonsense and comedy debates.

The people have seen through Duperope and the warmongering cronyism of the corporate military manufacturing fiends of the government.

The people have seen through the lies of immigration and the bailing out of banks that should have been allowed to fail like in Iceland.

The people have seen through the lies and deceit in the scandal that is 'punish the people' for the financial mistakes of investors and bankers along with government overspending and warring with counties in the name of 'National Security'.

The people have seen through the 'friendship' with American warlords and criminals in the US Administration.

The people have seen through the lies of where our tax money is spent killing off our public services, pensions, jobs and NHS.

The people see through the lies of the Frackers and the government stupidity.

The people have seen through the lies of oil and gas buddies of the government who continue to shun greener, free energies.

The people have seen through those who continue to brainwash the older generation into thinking the old ways are still best.

The people have seen through the mainstream media propaganda and BS (including the Bolton News who pander to the Liebore council at every given opportunity and are NOT a community news source but a council propaganda tool).

The people have seen through it ALL... So the big three can take their 'paid shills' and 'spinners' and shove them where the sun does not shine.

The big three have been warned that we the people are coming to get them... They the government and the big three parties are running scared... but the short answer to the question posed by the BN... the answer is NO!
And we know who is putting the thumbs down .
[quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: The shills of the big three are out in force. Still they say "protest vote" and "racist UKIP" yet the party has won hearts and mind legitimately from people representing a 'multicultural' UKIP. So the big three continue to ignore what has been said by the people with their votes. So the chance they will 'listen' to the people will be next to zero. People do not trust Westminster at all. We do not trust that they will make policy changes, we also know they will copy the policies of UKIP and then shirk when they get the hotseats in Parliament. They are ALL liars within Liebore, Conservative and Libral Democrats. The people have seen through their nonsense and comedy debates. The people have seen through Duperope and the warmongering cronyism of the corporate military manufacturing fiends of the government. The people have seen through the lies of immigration and the bailing out of banks that should have been allowed to fail like in Iceland. The people have seen through the lies and deceit in the scandal that is 'punish the people' for the financial mistakes of investors and bankers along with government overspending and warring with counties in the name of 'National Security'. The people have seen through the 'friendship' with American warlords and criminals in the US Administration. The people have seen through the lies of where our tax money is spent killing off our public services, pensions, jobs and NHS. The people see through the lies of the Frackers and the government stupidity. The people have seen through the lies of oil and gas buddies of the government who continue to shun greener, free energies. The people have seen through those who continue to brainwash the older generation into thinking the old ways are still best. The people have seen through the mainstream media propaganda and BS (including the Bolton News who pander to the Liebore council at every given opportunity and are NOT a community news source but a council propaganda tool). The people have seen through it ALL... So the big three can take their 'paid shills' and 'spinners' and shove them where the sun does not shine. The big three have been warned that we the people are coming to get them... They the government and the big three parties are running scared... but the short answer to the question posed by the BN... the answer is NO![/p][/quote]And we know who is putting the thumbs down . holloway_david
  • Score: -11

3:06pm Sat 24 May 14

holloway_david says...

thomas222 wrote:
Stage one completed, number two next year. They were all warned but chose to ignore.
Spot On
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Stage one completed, number two next year. They were all warned but chose to ignore.[/p][/quote]Spot On holloway_david
  • Score: -6

3:11pm Sat 24 May 14

holloway_david says...

Beyond News Forum wrote:
So instead of issuing thumbs down, issue your statements HERE on the BN board your policies, your promises and why you think my statement is BS... let the Bolton public read EXACTLY how you work, how you propose changes to what I have stated (the truth of the matter).

You lot just do not like the truth that is staring EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THIS COUNTRY IN THE FACE. The big three are liars, cheats and deceivers - don't just thumbs down.

Explain:

Why continue to fund war when our country is in the sh!t?

Why continue to bail out banks and issue small pocket change fines to banks, energy companies etc for ripping the people off?

Why continue to lie about immigration and take funds away from immigration services and border control?

Why continue to take money away from the public purse when you should be taking money from the institutions and corrupt government officials that bungled their way through parliament since 2001 when those towers fell and helped create sub-prime lending?

Where does all that Road Tax go? Our roads are third world.

I could go on...
Agree
[quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: So instead of issuing thumbs down, issue your statements HERE on the BN board your policies, your promises and why you think my statement is BS... let the Bolton public read EXACTLY how you work, how you propose changes to what I have stated (the truth of the matter). You lot just do not like the truth that is staring EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THIS COUNTRY IN THE FACE. The big three are liars, cheats and deceivers - don't just thumbs down. Explain: Why continue to fund war when our country is in the sh!t? Why continue to bail out banks and issue small pocket change fines to banks, energy companies etc for ripping the people off? Why continue to lie about immigration and take funds away from immigration services and border control? Why continue to take money away from the public purse when you should be taking money from the institutions and corrupt government officials that bungled their way through parliament since 2001 when those towers fell and helped create sub-prime lending? Where does all that Road Tax go? Our roads are third world. I could go on...[/p][/quote]Agree holloway_david
  • Score: -15

3:48pm Sat 24 May 14

holloway_david says...

nigella farrage wrote:
Maybe Suzanne Evans, UKIP Party Spokesperson, was correct in her assumption that her party did not succeed in Greater London because the electorate were, "educated, cultural and young."

Beyond News must fall into the not so educated and cultural, as Beyond News does not even realise that the "Road Tax" does not actually exist, and never has. It is the Vehicle Excise Duty and the money goes to Central Government. In fact there are many vehicles both old and new that do not actually pay vehicle excise duty because of the low emissions This basically helps to pay for the motorways and major trunk roads. All other local roads are paid for from the various local councils and as such are paid for from the Council Tax.

When was the last time the Government bailed out a Bank, and what would have happened if the Bank had not been bailed?
How many savers would the collapse of the RBS Group had effected and how would have that impacted on the finances of the country?
Local road repairs paid for? you live in "cloud cuckoo land"
Any local road out of the town centre will tell you another story including speed bumps.
This not so "educated and cultural" Labour controlled council of Bolton prefers to put up council tax but money disappears down other avenues( excuse pun)
On the national level ----- Banks were bailed out by the taxpayers of this country through the government. If you want evidence of how clever the Labour party was just look at Gordon Brown as "Chancellor" and " Prime Minister". Are they any better now? you would have to go a long way to convince me they are.
[quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: Maybe Suzanne Evans, UKIP Party Spokesperson, was correct in her assumption that her party did not succeed in Greater London because the electorate were, "educated, cultural and young." Beyond News must fall into the not so educated and cultural, as Beyond News does not even realise that the "Road Tax" does not actually exist, and never has. It is the Vehicle Excise Duty and the money goes to Central Government. In fact there are many vehicles both old and new that do not actually pay vehicle excise duty because of the low emissions This basically helps to pay for the motorways and major trunk roads. All other local roads are paid for from the various local councils and as such are paid for from the Council Tax. When was the last time the Government bailed out a Bank, and what would have happened if the Bank had not been bailed? How many savers would the collapse of the RBS Group had effected and how would have that impacted on the finances of the country?[/p][/quote]Local road repairs paid for? you live in "cloud cuckoo land" Any local road out of the town centre will tell you another story including speed bumps. This not so "educated and cultural" Labour controlled council of Bolton prefers to put up council tax but money disappears down other avenues( excuse pun) On the national level ----- Banks were bailed out by the taxpayers of this country through the government. If you want evidence of how clever the Labour party was just look at Gordon Brown as "Chancellor" and " Prime Minister". Are they any better now? you would have to go a long way to convince me they are. holloway_david
  • Score: -18

4:05pm Sat 24 May 14

holloway_david says...

holloway_david wrote:
nigella farrage wrote:
Maybe Suzanne Evans, UKIP Party Spokesperson, was correct in her assumption that her party did not succeed in Greater London because the electorate were, "educated, cultural and young."

Beyond News must fall into the not so educated and cultural, as Beyond News does not even realise that the "Road Tax" does not actually exist, and never has. It is the Vehicle Excise Duty and the money goes to Central Government. In fact there are many vehicles both old and new that do not actually pay vehicle excise duty because of the low emissions This basically helps to pay for the motorways and major trunk roads. All other local roads are paid for from the various local councils and as such are paid for from the Council Tax.

When was the last time the Government bailed out a Bank, and what would have happened if the Bank had not been bailed?
How many savers would the collapse of the RBS Group had effected and how would have that impacted on the finances of the country?
Local road repairs paid for? you live in "cloud cuckoo land"
Any local road out of the town centre will tell you another story including speed bumps.
This not so "educated and cultural" Labour controlled council of Bolton prefers to put up council tax but money disappears down other avenues( excuse pun)
On the national level ----- Banks were bailed out by the taxpayers of this country through the government. If you want evidence of how clever the Labour party was just look at Gordon Brown as "Chancellor" and " Prime Minister". Are they any better now? you would have to go a long way to convince me they are.
Congratulations UKIP
[quote][p][bold]holloway_david[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: Maybe Suzanne Evans, UKIP Party Spokesperson, was correct in her assumption that her party did not succeed in Greater London because the electorate were, "educated, cultural and young." Beyond News must fall into the not so educated and cultural, as Beyond News does not even realise that the "Road Tax" does not actually exist, and never has. It is the Vehicle Excise Duty and the money goes to Central Government. In fact there are many vehicles both old and new that do not actually pay vehicle excise duty because of the low emissions This basically helps to pay for the motorways and major trunk roads. All other local roads are paid for from the various local councils and as such are paid for from the Council Tax. When was the last time the Government bailed out a Bank, and what would have happened if the Bank had not been bailed? How many savers would the collapse of the RBS Group had effected and how would have that impacted on the finances of the country?[/p][/quote]Local road repairs paid for? you live in "cloud cuckoo land" Any local road out of the town centre will tell you another story including speed bumps. This not so "educated and cultural" Labour controlled council of Bolton prefers to put up council tax but money disappears down other avenues( excuse pun) On the national level ----- Banks were bailed out by the taxpayers of this country through the government. If you want evidence of how clever the Labour party was just look at Gordon Brown as "Chancellor" and " Prime Minister". Are they any better now? you would have to go a long way to convince me they are.[/p][/quote]Congratulations UKIP holloway_david
  • Score: -11

4:06pm Sat 24 May 14

nigella farrage says...

holloway_david wrote:
nigella farrage wrote: Maybe Suzanne Evans, UKIP Party Spokesperson, was correct in her assumption that her party did not succeed in Greater London because the electorate were, "educated, cultural and young." Beyond News must fall into the not so educated and cultural, as Beyond News does not even realise that the "Road Tax" does not actually exist, and never has. It is the Vehicle Excise Duty and the money goes to Central Government. In fact there are many vehicles both old and new that do not actually pay vehicle excise duty because of the low emissions This basically helps to pay for the motorways and major trunk roads. All other local roads are paid for from the various local councils and as such are paid for from the Council Tax. When was the last time the Government bailed out a Bank, and what would have happened if the Bank had not been bailed? How many savers would the collapse of the RBS Group had effected and how would have that impacted on the finances of the country?
Local road repairs paid for? you live in "cloud cuckoo land" Any local road out of the town centre will tell you another story including speed bumps. This not so "educated and cultural" Labour controlled council of Bolton prefers to put up council tax but money disappears down other avenues( excuse pun) On the national level ----- Banks were bailed out by the taxpayers of this country through the government. If you want evidence of how clever the Labour party was just look at Gordon Brown as "Chancellor" and " Prime Minister". Are they any better now? you would have to go a long way to convince me they are.
If the Banks had not been bailed then more than 10 million people would have lost their savings, that is just RBS Group which also includes The Queens Bank - Coutts.

That would have been billions of pounds lost in one swoop. That would have had a detrimental effect on the economy.

Northern Rock had to be rescued thanks to Robert Peston, BBC, basically saying it was a damaged Bank, when in fact after it had been rescued it was one of the safest financial institutions in the world. Of the banks that were rescued in the UK they were NatWest(RBS), RBS(RBS), Coutts(RBS), Ulster Bank(RBS) Drummonds(RBS), Northern Rock, Bradford and Bingley Building Society, LloydsTSB (Lloyds), Halifax (Lloyds), Bank of Scotland(Lloyds), plus all their insurance and assurance companies - basically affecting everyone. So they had to be bailed. Could you imagine the riots if they had not been bailed?

The recession started before the Banks collapse, it actually started before RBS bought ABN Amro, which was Fred Goodwin's downfall and it was started by greedy bankers and stock brokers, of which Nigel Farage is one, with the sub-prime markets collapsing, in the US with which our Banks had invested for quick profit - buying and selling on same day, the book debts, to make invisible money. But this needn't have happened if Thatcher had not removed the laws and made it an open market and then the laws were even more relaxed by Blair.

The worry is now that these exact same people are the bankrollers for UKIP. Do you think that Farage will go tough on his City friends, or do you think he will relax the laws even further and make banking even more of gambling profession than what it is now, which makes the chance of deeper recession, in the future, a bigger possibility? He, and UKIP, have already announced they will repel any laws that infringe of the banking industry.
[quote][p][bold]holloway_david[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: Maybe Suzanne Evans, UKIP Party Spokesperson, was correct in her assumption that her party did not succeed in Greater London because the electorate were, "educated, cultural and young." Beyond News must fall into the not so educated and cultural, as Beyond News does not even realise that the "Road Tax" does not actually exist, and never has. It is the Vehicle Excise Duty and the money goes to Central Government. In fact there are many vehicles both old and new that do not actually pay vehicle excise duty because of the low emissions This basically helps to pay for the motorways and major trunk roads. All other local roads are paid for from the various local councils and as such are paid for from the Council Tax. When was the last time the Government bailed out a Bank, and what would have happened if the Bank had not been bailed? How many savers would the collapse of the RBS Group had effected and how would have that impacted on the finances of the country?[/p][/quote]Local road repairs paid for? you live in "cloud cuckoo land" Any local road out of the town centre will tell you another story including speed bumps. This not so "educated and cultural" Labour controlled council of Bolton prefers to put up council tax but money disappears down other avenues( excuse pun) On the national level ----- Banks were bailed out by the taxpayers of this country through the government. If you want evidence of how clever the Labour party was just look at Gordon Brown as "Chancellor" and " Prime Minister". Are they any better now? you would have to go a long way to convince me they are.[/p][/quote]If the Banks had not been bailed then more than 10 million people would have lost their savings, that is just RBS Group which also includes The Queens Bank - Coutts. That would have been billions of pounds lost in one swoop. That would have had a detrimental effect on the economy. Northern Rock had to be rescued thanks to Robert Peston, BBC, basically saying it was a damaged Bank, when in fact after it had been rescued it was one of the safest financial institutions in the world. Of the banks that were rescued in the UK they were NatWest(RBS), RBS(RBS), Coutts(RBS), Ulster Bank(RBS) Drummonds(RBS), Northern Rock, Bradford and Bingley Building Society, LloydsTSB (Lloyds), Halifax (Lloyds), Bank of Scotland(Lloyds), plus all their insurance and assurance companies - basically affecting everyone. So they had to be bailed. Could you imagine the riots if they had not been bailed? The recession started before the Banks collapse, it actually started before RBS bought ABN Amro, which was Fred Goodwin's downfall and it was started by greedy bankers and stock brokers, of which Nigel Farage is one, with the sub-prime markets collapsing, in the US with which our Banks had invested for quick profit - buying and selling on same day, the book debts, to make invisible money. But this needn't have happened if Thatcher had not removed the laws and made it an open market and then the laws were even more relaxed by Blair. The worry is now that these exact same people are the bankrollers for UKIP. Do you think that Farage will go tough on his City friends, or do you think he will relax the laws even further and make banking even more of gambling profession than what it is now, which makes the chance of deeper recession, in the future, a bigger possibility? He, and UKIP, have already announced they will repel any laws that infringe of the banking industry. nigella farrage
  • Score: 5

4:44pm Sat 24 May 14

nigella farrage says...

A conservative spokesman was asked what he thought of UKIPs success in the local elections.

"Bloody UKIP, " He said, " coming round here, stealing our jobs."
A conservative spokesman was asked what he thought of UKIPs success in the local elections. "Bloody UKIP, " He said, " coming round here, stealing our jobs." nigella farrage
  • Score: -30

10:09pm Sat 24 May 14

nigella farrage says...

nigella farrage wrote:
A conservative spokesman was asked what he thought of UKIPs success in the local elections. "Bloody UKIP, " He said, " coming round here, stealing our jobs."
tsk tsk tsk, My dad thought of this joke and hoped that his followers would enjoy the humour. It seems a few of my dads followers do not have a sense of humour.
[quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: A conservative spokesman was asked what he thought of UKIPs success in the local elections. "Bloody UKIP, " He said, " coming round here, stealing our jobs."[/p][/quote]tsk tsk tsk, My dad thought of this joke and hoped that his followers would enjoy the humour. It seems a few of my dads followers do not have a sense of humour. nigella farrage
  • Score: -2

3:08am Sun 25 May 14

BoltonLancs says...

Elaine O'Flynn, you pretext too much, as I've witnessed on many of your stories. Please apply speech marks correctly to your report regarding the following paragraph:

People weren’t admitting to voting UKIP when visited by other parties, they argued — they were ashamed to vote for them, and did so in stealth.

Thank you.
Elaine O'Flynn, you pretext too much, as I've witnessed on many of your stories. Please apply speech marks correctly to your report regarding the following paragraph: People weren’t admitting to voting UKIP when visited by other parties, they argued — they were ashamed to vote for them, and did so in stealth. Thank you. BoltonLancs
  • Score: -1

4:06am Sun 25 May 14

oftbewildered2 says...

nigella farrage wrote:
Maybe Suzanne Evans, UKIP Party Spokesperson, was correct in her assumption that her party did not succeed in Greater London because the electorate were, "educated, cultural and young."

Beyond News must fall into the not so educated and cultural, as Beyond News does not even realise that the "Road Tax" does not actually exist, and never has. It is the Vehicle Excise Duty and the money goes to Central Government. In fact there are many vehicles both old and new that do not actually pay vehicle excise duty because of the low emissions This basically helps to pay for the motorways and major trunk roads. All other local roads are paid for from the various local councils and as such are paid for from the Council Tax.

When was the last time the Government bailed out a Bank, and what would have happened if the Bank had not been bailed?
How many savers would the collapse of the RBS Group had effected and how would have that impacted on the finances of the country?
Perhaps they did not do well in London because of the extremely high immigrant population - who are not likely to vote for a party which has immigration issues so high on its agenda. This should not be a surprise to anybody.
[quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: Maybe Suzanne Evans, UKIP Party Spokesperson, was correct in her assumption that her party did not succeed in Greater London because the electorate were, "educated, cultural and young." Beyond News must fall into the not so educated and cultural, as Beyond News does not even realise that the "Road Tax" does not actually exist, and never has. It is the Vehicle Excise Duty and the money goes to Central Government. In fact there are many vehicles both old and new that do not actually pay vehicle excise duty because of the low emissions This basically helps to pay for the motorways and major trunk roads. All other local roads are paid for from the various local councils and as such are paid for from the Council Tax. When was the last time the Government bailed out a Bank, and what would have happened if the Bank had not been bailed? How many savers would the collapse of the RBS Group had effected and how would have that impacted on the finances of the country?[/p][/quote]Perhaps they did not do well in London because of the extremely high immigrant population - who are not likely to vote for a party which has immigration issues so high on its agenda. This should not be a surprise to anybody. oftbewildered2
  • Score: -1

8:28am Sun 25 May 14

nigella farrage says...

Out of 33 UKIP councillors, that had defected from other parties, in the Greater London area only 10 have kept their jobs.

It could be a case that they were no good at doing their job.

I is also the case that of the areas that UKIP did badly in London were in areas of high indigenous population, rather than high migrant population. Then lets not forget as to how many migrants actually registered to vote which isn't that much. Registering with the council that the person lives in the area does not automatically register the person to vote as registering to vote has to be done through the Electoral Commission.
Out of 33 UKIP councillors, that had defected from other parties, in the Greater London area only 10 have kept their jobs. It could be a case that they were no good at doing their job. I is also the case that of the areas that UKIP did badly in London were in areas of high indigenous population, rather than high migrant population. Then lets not forget as to how many migrants actually registered to vote which isn't that much. Registering with the council that the person lives in the area does not automatically register the person to vote as registering to vote has to be done through the Electoral Commission. nigella farrage
  • Score: -9

8:50am Sun 25 May 14

thomas222 says...

nigella farrage wrote:
Out of 33 UKIP councillors, that had defected from other parties, in the Greater London area only 10 have kept their jobs.

It could be a case that they were no good at doing their job.

I is also the case that of the areas that UKIP did badly in London were in areas of high indigenous population, rather than high migrant population. Then lets not forget as to how many migrants actually registered to vote which isn't that much. Registering with the council that the person lives in the area does not automatically register the person to vote as registering to vote has to be done through the Electoral Commission.
Your laughable anti UKIP smears have become dated because it failed. You need to find a new agenda. If you do tell the Old Parties what it is i am sure they would love to know themselves. What has London local Politics have to do with Bolton may i ask ?. But since it you who brought it up what about the Labour Cllrs who resigned for their own Party because a racism ?. Did you not come across that one.
[quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: Out of 33 UKIP councillors, that had defected from other parties, in the Greater London area only 10 have kept their jobs. It could be a case that they were no good at doing their job. I is also the case that of the areas that UKIP did badly in London were in areas of high indigenous population, rather than high migrant population. Then lets not forget as to how many migrants actually registered to vote which isn't that much. Registering with the council that the person lives in the area does not automatically register the person to vote as registering to vote has to be done through the Electoral Commission.[/p][/quote]Your laughable anti UKIP smears have become dated because it failed. You need to find a new agenda. If you do tell the Old Parties what it is i am sure they would love to know themselves. What has London local Politics have to do with Bolton may i ask ?. But since it you who brought it up what about the Labour Cllrs who resigned for their own Party because a racism ?. Did you not come across that one. thomas222
  • Score: 1

9:12am Sun 25 May 14

By George says...

All candidates, political parties have no idea about the real world out there, we want fairness for all, our town is overflowing and not enough jobs or decent homes, our streets apart from Bolton Town centre are filthy, our street litter bins are full, our grids are full, there is positive and illegal discrimination,there is a lack of community spirit with ever increasing ghettos materialising . Taxpayers money spent without any accountability, attitude by local authority employees is downright rude. Some very dangerous drivers on the roads mainly taxis bus drivers and people who did not pass their test in the U.K.. More law breaking. Apart from that it is nice here in Bolton
All candidates, political parties have no idea about the real world out there, we want fairness for all, our town is overflowing and not enough jobs or decent homes, our streets apart from Bolton Town centre are filthy, our street litter bins are full, our grids are full, there is positive and illegal discrimination,there is a lack of community spirit with ever increasing ghettos materialising . Taxpayers money spent without any accountability, attitude by local authority employees is downright rude. Some very dangerous drivers on the roads mainly taxis bus drivers and people who did not pass their test in the U.K.. More law breaking. Apart from that it is nice here in Bolton By George
  • Score: 1

1:10pm Sun 25 May 14

Bolton First says...

Westminster never listens to the will of the people, but only their rich backers. Politicians are in the place to line their own pockets, by bowing to their greedy masters. They are there to manipulate and bamboozle the people, the great unwashed, in other words, the plebs. The answer is NO.
Westminster never listens to the will of the people, but only their rich backers. Politicians are in the place to line their own pockets, by bowing to their greedy masters. They are there to manipulate and bamboozle the people, the great unwashed, in other words, the plebs. The answer is NO. Bolton First
  • Score: 2

4:08pm Sun 25 May 14

nigella farrage says...

thomas222 wrote:
nigella farrage wrote: Out of 33 UKIP councillors, that had defected from other parties, in the Greater London area only 10 have kept their jobs. It could be a case that they were no good at doing their job. I is also the case that of the areas that UKIP did badly in London were in areas of high indigenous population, rather than high migrant population. Then lets not forget as to how many migrants actually registered to vote which isn't that much. Registering with the council that the person lives in the area does not automatically register the person to vote as registering to vote has to be done through the Electoral Commission.
Your laughable anti UKIP smears have become dated because it failed. You need to find a new agenda. If you do tell the Old Parties what it is i am sure they would love to know themselves. What has London local Politics have to do with Bolton may i ask ?. But since it you who brought it up what about the Labour Cllrs who resigned for their own Party because a racism ?. Did you not come across that one.
But after reading many of your posts you continually bring up other parts of the country in respect to trying to defend your comments. Also, you have mentioned numerous times within the archives about these 33 councillors.

Therefore are you now suggesting that you did that to wind people up and that you do not have any interest in what happens elsewhere with regards to my papa' party?

But the truth is UKIP only gained 161 seats taking a grand total to 163 which means that UKIP also lost quite a large number of seats. Nowhere near the earthquake that my papa and many other kippers were suggesting. UKIP gained less than half the number of seats that Labour gained. Papa did not predict that and failed miserably in creating a large force for UKIP as they only hold 3.89% of the seats and "others" hold 3.82% of the seats whilst Liberals hold 10.14% of seats - Papa's prediction of wanting to destroy the Liberals did not work either. Papa has failed miserably and in turn has failed UKIP.

What is interesting and it is no surprise that papa has not mention it but in May 2013 the share percentage of UKIP was 24% whilst after these elections it is only 16%. Has the bubble already burst?

I see all reports about all parties, Thomas, but as papa like his party to be at the forefront of all media attention, then that attention is also equilibrium to all negative reports.

Do you think it is healthy that a father helped to win a council seat, for UKIP, by destroying his own daughters political career whilst she supports Labour. That is what happened in Hyndburn?

Also why did papa's party not put any candidates in Blackburn as they surely should have won seats considering they have more of a "problem" with migrants than what Bolton does? Same with Burnley. Or is it because the people are more educated in politics and hat UKIP stands for.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: Out of 33 UKIP councillors, that had defected from other parties, in the Greater London area only 10 have kept their jobs. It could be a case that they were no good at doing their job. I is also the case that of the areas that UKIP did badly in London were in areas of high indigenous population, rather than high migrant population. Then lets not forget as to how many migrants actually registered to vote which isn't that much. Registering with the council that the person lives in the area does not automatically register the person to vote as registering to vote has to be done through the Electoral Commission.[/p][/quote]Your laughable anti UKIP smears have become dated because it failed. You need to find a new agenda. If you do tell the Old Parties what it is i am sure they would love to know themselves. What has London local Politics have to do with Bolton may i ask ?. But since it you who brought it up what about the Labour Cllrs who resigned for their own Party because a racism ?. Did you not come across that one.[/p][/quote]But after reading many of your posts you continually bring up other parts of the country in respect to trying to defend your comments. Also, you have mentioned numerous times within the archives about these 33 councillors. Therefore are you now suggesting that you did that to wind people up and that you do not have any interest in what happens elsewhere with regards to my papa' party? But the truth is UKIP only gained 161 seats taking a grand total to 163 which means that UKIP also lost quite a large number of seats. Nowhere near the earthquake that my papa and many other kippers were suggesting. UKIP gained less than half the number of seats that Labour gained. Papa did not predict that and failed miserably in creating a large force for UKIP as they only hold 3.89% of the seats and "others" hold 3.82% of the seats whilst Liberals hold 10.14% of seats - Papa's prediction of wanting to destroy the Liberals did not work either. Papa has failed miserably and in turn has failed UKIP. What is interesting and it is no surprise that papa has not mention it but in May 2013 the share percentage of UKIP was 24% whilst after these elections it is only 16%. Has the bubble already burst? I see all reports about all parties, Thomas, but as papa like his party to be at the forefront of all media attention, then that attention is also equilibrium to all negative reports. Do you think it is healthy that a father helped to win a council seat, for UKIP, by destroying his own daughters political career whilst she supports Labour. That is what happened in Hyndburn? Also why did papa's party not put any candidates in Blackburn as they surely should have won seats considering they have more of a "problem" with migrants than what Bolton does? Same with Burnley. Or is it because the people are more educated in politics and hat UKIP stands for. nigella farrage
  • Score: -2

5:02pm Sun 25 May 14

Bob Shaftoe says...

Are you TROll's bird? (or TROll himself) You trot out the same claptrap as he does, you cant lose seats that you don't hold stupid. UKIP started with two seats and gained 161 and lost none, not bad for starters. Liebour is unelectable under Miliband ,so get used to the new order.
Well done UKIP, onwards and upwards.
Are you TROll's bird? (or TROll himself) You trot out the same claptrap as he does, you cant lose seats that you don't hold stupid. UKIP started with two seats and gained 161 and lost none, not bad for starters. Liebour is unelectable under Miliband ,so get used to the new order. Well done UKIP, onwards and upwards. Bob Shaftoe
  • Score: 3

5:39pm Sun 25 May 14

thomas222 says...

nigella farrage wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
nigella farrage wrote: Out of 33 UKIP councillors, that had defected from other parties, in the Greater London area only 10 have kept their jobs. It could be a case that they were no good at doing their job. I is also the case that of the areas that UKIP did badly in London were in areas of high indigenous population, rather than high migrant population. Then lets not forget as to how many migrants actually registered to vote which isn't that much. Registering with the council that the person lives in the area does not automatically register the person to vote as registering to vote has to be done through the Electoral Commission.
Your laughable anti UKIP smears have become dated because it failed. You need to find a new agenda. If you do tell the Old Parties what it is i am sure they would love to know themselves. What has London local Politics have to do with Bolton may i ask ?. But since it you who brought it up what about the Labour Cllrs who resigned for their own Party because a racism ?. Did you not come across that one.
But after reading many of your posts you continually bring up other parts of the country in respect to trying to defend your comments. Also, you have mentioned numerous times within the archives about these 33 councillors.

Therefore are you now suggesting that you did that to wind people up and that you do not have any interest in what happens elsewhere with regards to my papa' party?

But the truth is UKIP only gained 161 seats taking a grand total to 163 which means that UKIP also lost quite a large number of seats. Nowhere near the earthquake that my papa and many other kippers were suggesting. UKIP gained less than half the number of seats that Labour gained. Papa did not predict that and failed miserably in creating a large force for UKIP as they only hold 3.89% of the seats and "others" hold 3.82% of the seats whilst Liberals hold 10.14% of seats - Papa's prediction of wanting to destroy the Liberals did not work either. Papa has failed miserably and in turn has failed UKIP.

What is interesting and it is no surprise that papa has not mention it but in May 2013 the share percentage of UKIP was 24% whilst after these elections it is only 16%. Has the bubble already burst?

I see all reports about all parties, Thomas, but as papa like his party to be at the forefront of all media attention, then that attention is also equilibrium to all negative reports.

Do you think it is healthy that a father helped to win a council seat, for UKIP, by destroying his own daughters political career whilst she supports Labour. That is what happened in Hyndburn?

Also why did papa's party not put any candidates in Blackburn as they surely should have won seats considering they have more of a "problem" with migrants than what Bolton does? Same with Burnley. Or is it because the people are more educated in politics and hat UKIP stands for.
Good Bye TRO... ps. You are finished the people have spoken.
[quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: Out of 33 UKIP councillors, that had defected from other parties, in the Greater London area only 10 have kept their jobs. It could be a case that they were no good at doing their job. I is also the case that of the areas that UKIP did badly in London were in areas of high indigenous population, rather than high migrant population. Then lets not forget as to how many migrants actually registered to vote which isn't that much. Registering with the council that the person lives in the area does not automatically register the person to vote as registering to vote has to be done through the Electoral Commission.[/p][/quote]Your laughable anti UKIP smears have become dated because it failed. You need to find a new agenda. If you do tell the Old Parties what it is i am sure they would love to know themselves. What has London local Politics have to do with Bolton may i ask ?. But since it you who brought it up what about the Labour Cllrs who resigned for their own Party because a racism ?. Did you not come across that one.[/p][/quote]But after reading many of your posts you continually bring up other parts of the country in respect to trying to defend your comments. Also, you have mentioned numerous times within the archives about these 33 councillors. Therefore are you now suggesting that you did that to wind people up and that you do not have any interest in what happens elsewhere with regards to my papa' party? But the truth is UKIP only gained 161 seats taking a grand total to 163 which means that UKIP also lost quite a large number of seats. Nowhere near the earthquake that my papa and many other kippers were suggesting. UKIP gained less than half the number of seats that Labour gained. Papa did not predict that and failed miserably in creating a large force for UKIP as they only hold 3.89% of the seats and "others" hold 3.82% of the seats whilst Liberals hold 10.14% of seats - Papa's prediction of wanting to destroy the Liberals did not work either. Papa has failed miserably and in turn has failed UKIP. What is interesting and it is no surprise that papa has not mention it but in May 2013 the share percentage of UKIP was 24% whilst after these elections it is only 16%. Has the bubble already burst? I see all reports about all parties, Thomas, but as papa like his party to be at the forefront of all media attention, then that attention is also equilibrium to all negative reports. Do you think it is healthy that a father helped to win a council seat, for UKIP, by destroying his own daughters political career whilst she supports Labour. That is what happened in Hyndburn? Also why did papa's party not put any candidates in Blackburn as they surely should have won seats considering they have more of a "problem" with migrants than what Bolton does? Same with Burnley. Or is it because the people are more educated in politics and hat UKIP stands for.[/p][/quote]Good Bye TRO... ps. You are finished the people have spoken. thomas222
  • Score: 2

6:31pm Sun 25 May 14

holloway_david says...

holloway_david wrote:
holloway_david wrote:
nigella farrage wrote:
Maybe Suzanne Evans, UKIP Party Spokesperson, was correct in her assumption that her party did not succeed in Greater London because the electorate were, "educated, cultural and young."

Beyond News must fall into the not so educated and cultural, as Beyond News does not even realise that the "Road Tax" does not actually exist, and never has. It is the Vehicle Excise Duty and the money goes to Central Government. In fact there are many vehicles both old and new that do not actually pay vehicle excise duty because of the low emissions This basically helps to pay for the motorways and major trunk roads. All other local roads are paid for from the various local councils and as such are paid for from the Council Tax.

When was the last time the Government bailed out a Bank, and what would have happened if the Bank had not been bailed?
How many savers would the collapse of the RBS Group had effected and how would have that impacted on the finances of the country?
Local road repairs paid for? you live in "cloud cuckoo land"
Any local road out of the town centre will tell you another story including speed bumps.
This not so "educated and cultural" Labour controlled council of Bolton prefers to put up council tax but money disappears down other avenues( excuse pun)
On the national level ----- Banks were bailed out by the taxpayers of this country through the government. If you want evidence of how clever the Labour party was just look at Gordon Brown as "Chancellor" and " Prime Minister". Are they any better now? you would have to go a long way to convince me they are.
Congratulations UKIP
Once again, congratulations UKIP
[quote][p][bold]holloway_david[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]holloway_david[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: Maybe Suzanne Evans, UKIP Party Spokesperson, was correct in her assumption that her party did not succeed in Greater London because the electorate were, "educated, cultural and young." Beyond News must fall into the not so educated and cultural, as Beyond News does not even realise that the "Road Tax" does not actually exist, and never has. It is the Vehicle Excise Duty and the money goes to Central Government. In fact there are many vehicles both old and new that do not actually pay vehicle excise duty because of the low emissions This basically helps to pay for the motorways and major trunk roads. All other local roads are paid for from the various local councils and as such are paid for from the Council Tax. When was the last time the Government bailed out a Bank, and what would have happened if the Bank had not been bailed? How many savers would the collapse of the RBS Group had effected and how would have that impacted on the finances of the country?[/p][/quote]Local road repairs paid for? you live in "cloud cuckoo land" Any local road out of the town centre will tell you another story including speed bumps. This not so "educated and cultural" Labour controlled council of Bolton prefers to put up council tax but money disappears down other avenues( excuse pun) On the national level ----- Banks were bailed out by the taxpayers of this country through the government. If you want evidence of how clever the Labour party was just look at Gordon Brown as "Chancellor" and " Prime Minister". Are they any better now? you would have to go a long way to convince me they are.[/p][/quote]Congratulations UKIP[/p][/quote]Once again, congratulations UKIP holloway_david
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7:09pm Sun 25 May 14

nigella farrage says...

According to the poll above

Conservatives 10%
Liberal Democrats 3%
UKIP 30%
Greens 42%
Labour 16%

This equals 101%

Even with my mathematic skills how can it equal 101% when a maximum is 100%?

UKIP frauding the system again?

Papa will enjoy this one.
According to the poll above Conservatives 10% Liberal Democrats 3% UKIP 30% Greens 42% Labour 16% This equals 101% Even with my mathematic skills how can it equal 101% when a maximum is 100%? UKIP frauding the system again? Papa will enjoy this one. nigella farrage
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7:12pm Sun 25 May 14

thomas222 says...

nigella farrage wrote:
According to the poll above

Conservatives 10%
Liberal Democrats 3%
UKIP 30%
Greens 42%
Labour 16%

This equals 101%

Even with my mathematic skills how can it equal 101% when a maximum is 100%?

UKIP frauding the system again?

Papa will enjoy this one.
Polls.... Hahaha like the last ones. Do you people never stop talking complete rubbish. So funny.
[quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: According to the poll above Conservatives 10% Liberal Democrats 3% UKIP 30% Greens 42% Labour 16% This equals 101% Even with my mathematic skills how can it equal 101% when a maximum is 100%? UKIP frauding the system again? Papa will enjoy this one.[/p][/quote]Polls.... Hahaha like the last ones. Do you people never stop talking complete rubbish. So funny. thomas222
  • Score: 1

7:17pm Sun 25 May 14

nigella farrage says...

544 seats were redistributed.

Labour gained 338 (62.13% of the seats)
UKIP gained 161 (29.6% of the seats)
Others gained 45 (8.27% of the seats)

There are some on here that talk about the "old guard" losing their prowess, but it seems Labour have bucked the trend, which papa will not be happy about, and they have actually more than double UKIP.

Again, papa will not be happy as his predictions fall very short of his aims. In his eyes it is a failure. For papa his party is still considered as an "other" party.
544 seats were redistributed. Labour gained 338 (62.13% of the seats) UKIP gained 161 (29.6% of the seats) Others gained 45 (8.27% of the seats) There are some on here that talk about the "old guard" losing their prowess, but it seems Labour have bucked the trend, which papa will not be happy about, and they have actually more than double UKIP. Again, papa will not be happy as his predictions fall very short of his aims. In his eyes it is a failure. For papa his party is still considered as an "other" party. nigella farrage
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7:37pm Sun 25 May 14

thomas222 says...

nigella farrage wrote:
544 seats were redistributed.

Labour gained 338 (62.13% of the seats)
UKIP gained 161 (29.6% of the seats)
Others gained 45 (8.27% of the seats)

There are some on here that talk about the "old guard" losing their prowess, but it seems Labour have bucked the trend, which papa will not be happy about, and they have actually more than double UKIP.

Again, papa will not be happy as his predictions fall very short of his aims. In his eyes it is a failure. For papa his party is still considered as an "other" party.
sadiq khan Senior shadow cabinet MP Labour today in open letter to ukip supporters in the sunday express...... Google...... We were wrong we are sorry SADIQ KHAN. then come back to me, hope you didnt vote for them they have even turned before tonights result. lol
[quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: 544 seats were redistributed. Labour gained 338 (62.13% of the seats) UKIP gained 161 (29.6% of the seats) Others gained 45 (8.27% of the seats) There are some on here that talk about the "old guard" losing their prowess, but it seems Labour have bucked the trend, which papa will not be happy about, and they have actually more than double UKIP. Again, papa will not be happy as his predictions fall very short of his aims. In his eyes it is a failure. For papa his party is still considered as an "other" party.[/p][/quote]sadiq khan Senior shadow cabinet MP Labour today in open letter to ukip supporters in the sunday express...... Google...... We were wrong we are sorry SADIQ KHAN. then come back to me, hope you didnt vote for them they have even turned before tonights result. lol thomas222
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7:49pm Sun 25 May 14

nigella farrage says...

thomas222 wrote:
nigella farrage wrote: 544 seats were redistributed. Labour gained 338 (62.13% of the seats) UKIP gained 161 (29.6% of the seats) Others gained 45 (8.27% of the seats) There are some on here that talk about the "old guard" losing their prowess, but it seems Labour have bucked the trend, which papa will not be happy about, and they have actually more than double UKIP. Again, papa will not be happy as his predictions fall very short of his aims. In his eyes it is a failure. For papa his party is still considered as an "other" party.
sadiq khan Senior shadow cabinet MP Labour today in open letter to ukip supporters in the sunday express...... Google...... We were wrong we are sorry SADIQ KHAN. then come back to me, hope you didnt vote for them they have even turned before tonights result. lol
Thomas, you cannot deny the facts that Labour completely outstripped UKIP.

You can say google this that and the other. I am not that bothered. I am here to shame my papa and show him and all other ukippers that supporting a right-winged party is fruitless. Also is show the ignorance of the followers as they do not actually understand what UKIP is about and how it will destroy this country if papa ever got a sniff of power.


You also cannot deny that the share of the UKIP vote has fallen from 24% to 16% is the space of 12 months. That, if I am not mistaken, is regression rather than progression, whilst Labour's share has increased by a few margins.

As regards to Sadiq Khan's so called apology. Labour have apologised for not putting in place safeguards for the last 4 years and as such it is old news. As such this is a personal apology and not an official party apology, which has already been issued and mentioned many times in Parliament, and has no bearing upon what happens today or tomorrow.

Thomas, what does it feel like to bee second, again, but behind the Greens, in this poll? It seems the people have spoken.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: 544 seats were redistributed. Labour gained 338 (62.13% of the seats) UKIP gained 161 (29.6% of the seats) Others gained 45 (8.27% of the seats) There are some on here that talk about the "old guard" losing their prowess, but it seems Labour have bucked the trend, which papa will not be happy about, and they have actually more than double UKIP. Again, papa will not be happy as his predictions fall very short of his aims. In his eyes it is a failure. For papa his party is still considered as an "other" party.[/p][/quote]sadiq khan Senior shadow cabinet MP Labour today in open letter to ukip supporters in the sunday express...... Google...... We were wrong we are sorry SADIQ KHAN. then come back to me, hope you didnt vote for them they have even turned before tonights result. lol[/p][/quote]Thomas, you cannot deny the facts that Labour completely outstripped UKIP. You can say google this that and the other. I am not that bothered. I am here to shame my papa and show him and all other ukippers that supporting a right-winged party is fruitless. Also is show the ignorance of the followers as they do not actually understand what UKIP is about and how it will destroy this country if papa ever got a sniff of power. You also cannot deny that the share of the UKIP vote has fallen from 24% to 16% is the space of 12 months. That, if I am not mistaken, is regression rather than progression, whilst Labour's share has increased by a few margins. As regards to Sadiq Khan's so called apology. Labour have apologised for not putting in place safeguards for the last 4 years and as such it is old news. As such this is a personal apology and not an official party apology, which has already been issued and mentioned many times in Parliament, and has no bearing upon what happens today or tomorrow. Thomas, what does it feel like to bee second, again, but behind the Greens, in this poll? It seems the people have spoken. nigella farrage
  • Score: -1

7:59pm Sun 25 May 14

thomas222 says...

nigella farrage wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
nigella farrage wrote: 544 seats were redistributed. Labour gained 338 (62.13% of the seats) UKIP gained 161 (29.6% of the seats) Others gained 45 (8.27% of the seats) There are some on here that talk about the "old guard" losing their prowess, but it seems Labour have bucked the trend, which papa will not be happy about, and they have actually more than double UKIP. Again, papa will not be happy as his predictions fall very short of his aims. In his eyes it is a failure. For papa his party is still considered as an "other" party.
sadiq khan Senior shadow cabinet MP Labour today in open letter to ukip supporters in the sunday express...... Google...... We were wrong we are sorry SADIQ KHAN. then come back to me, hope you didnt vote for them they have even turned before tonights result. lol
Thomas, you cannot deny the facts that Labour completely outstripped UKIP.

You can say google this that and the other. I am not that bothered. I am here to shame my papa and show him and all other ukippers that supporting a right-winged party is fruitless. Also is show the ignorance of the followers as they do not actually understand what UKIP is about and how it will destroy this country if papa ever got a sniff of power.


You also cannot deny that the share of the UKIP vote has fallen from 24% to 16% is the space of 12 months. That, if I am not mistaken, is regression rather than progression, whilst Labour's share has increased by a few margins.

As regards to Sadiq Khan's so called apology. Labour have apologised for not putting in place safeguards for the last 4 years and as such it is old news. As such this is a personal apology and not an official party apology, which has already been issued and mentioned many times in Parliament, and has no bearing upon what happens today or tomorrow.

Thomas, what does it feel like to bee second, again, but behind the Greens, in this poll? It seems the people have spoken.
Why then as Khan been the front Man saying what Ed will this week. Did you read it and is it anoter UKIP lie. Good night God bless peace be upon you.
[quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: 544 seats were redistributed. Labour gained 338 (62.13% of the seats) UKIP gained 161 (29.6% of the seats) Others gained 45 (8.27% of the seats) There are some on here that talk about the "old guard" losing their prowess, but it seems Labour have bucked the trend, which papa will not be happy about, and they have actually more than double UKIP. Again, papa will not be happy as his predictions fall very short of his aims. In his eyes it is a failure. For papa his party is still considered as an "other" party.[/p][/quote]sadiq khan Senior shadow cabinet MP Labour today in open letter to ukip supporters in the sunday express...... Google...... We were wrong we are sorry SADIQ KHAN. then come back to me, hope you didnt vote for them they have even turned before tonights result. lol[/p][/quote]Thomas, you cannot deny the facts that Labour completely outstripped UKIP. You can say google this that and the other. I am not that bothered. I am here to shame my papa and show him and all other ukippers that supporting a right-winged party is fruitless. Also is show the ignorance of the followers as they do not actually understand what UKIP is about and how it will destroy this country if papa ever got a sniff of power. You also cannot deny that the share of the UKIP vote has fallen from 24% to 16% is the space of 12 months. That, if I am not mistaken, is regression rather than progression, whilst Labour's share has increased by a few margins. As regards to Sadiq Khan's so called apology. Labour have apologised for not putting in place safeguards for the last 4 years and as such it is old news. As such this is a personal apology and not an official party apology, which has already been issued and mentioned many times in Parliament, and has no bearing upon what happens today or tomorrow. Thomas, what does it feel like to bee second, again, but behind the Greens, in this poll? It seems the people have spoken.[/p][/quote]Why then as Khan been the front Man saying what Ed will this week. Did you read it and is it anoter UKIP lie. Good night God bless peace be upon you. thomas222
  • Score: 0

9:11pm Sun 25 May 14

nigella farrage says...

Thomas,

I read the report and what he put in the letter, and it as all I's with a few We's and actually said, "But the Labour Party has changed. We know we made mistakes. We're determined to put them right."

Thu suggesting that they have already apologised and as such it is now history. It is nothing new, try looking up Hansard and other Political papers to show they have already apologised and this is just regurgitating what they have already said. Nothing new.

Why are you harking to the past to try to humiliate other Political Parties, whilst UKIP are doing it on a present daily basis.
Thomas, I read the report and what he put in the letter, and it as all I's with a few We's and actually said, "But the Labour Party has changed. We know we made mistakes. We're determined to put them right." Thu suggesting that they have already apologised and as such it is now history. It is nothing new, try looking up Hansard and other Political papers to show they have already apologised and this is just regurgitating what they have already said. Nothing new. Why are you harking to the past to try to humiliate other Political Parties, whilst UKIP are doing it on a present daily basis. nigella farrage
  • Score: -1

10:01pm Sun 25 May 14

itsnotthatbad says...

thomas222 wrote:
nigella farrage wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
nigella farrage wrote: Out of 33 UKIP councillors, that had defected from other parties, in the Greater London area only 10 have kept their jobs. It could be a case that they were no good at doing their job. I is also the case that of the areas that UKIP did badly in London were in areas of high indigenous population, rather than high migrant population. Then lets not forget as to how many migrants actually registered to vote which isn't that much. Registering with the council that the person lives in the area does not automatically register the person to vote as registering to vote has to be done through the Electoral Commission.
Your laughable anti UKIP smears have become dated because it failed. You need to find a new agenda. If you do tell the Old Parties what it is i am sure they would love to know themselves. What has London local Politics have to do with Bolton may i ask ?. But since it you who brought it up what about the Labour Cllrs who resigned for their own Party because a racism ?. Did you not come across that one.
But after reading many of your posts you continually bring up other parts of the country in respect to trying to defend your comments. Also, you have mentioned numerous times within the archives about these 33 councillors.

Therefore are you now suggesting that you did that to wind people up and that you do not have any interest in what happens elsewhere with regards to my papa' party?

But the truth is UKIP only gained 161 seats taking a grand total to 163 which means that UKIP also lost quite a large number of seats. Nowhere near the earthquake that my papa and many other kippers were suggesting. UKIP gained less than half the number of seats that Labour gained. Papa did not predict that and failed miserably in creating a large force for UKIP as they only hold 3.89% of the seats and "others" hold 3.82% of the seats whilst Liberals hold 10.14% of seats - Papa's prediction of wanting to destroy the Liberals did not work either. Papa has failed miserably and in turn has failed UKIP.

What is interesting and it is no surprise that papa has not mention it but in May 2013 the share percentage of UKIP was 24% whilst after these elections it is only 16%. Has the bubble already burst?

I see all reports about all parties, Thomas, but as papa like his party to be at the forefront of all media attention, then that attention is also equilibrium to all negative reports.

Do you think it is healthy that a father helped to win a council seat, for UKIP, by destroying his own daughters political career whilst she supports Labour. That is what happened in Hyndburn?

Also why did papa's party not put any candidates in Blackburn as they surely should have won seats considering they have more of a "problem" with migrants than what Bolton does? Same with Burnley. Or is it because the people are more educated in politics and hat UKIP stands for.
Good Bye TRO... ps. You are finished the people have spoken.
He can't take the hint!... He's had 3 or 4 usernames banned since being banned as Tro. He just loves coming back for more. Suppose when you're unemployable and lives with his mummy there's nowt better to do!...
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: Out of 33 UKIP councillors, that had defected from other parties, in the Greater London area only 10 have kept their jobs. It could be a case that they were no good at doing their job. I is also the case that of the areas that UKIP did badly in London were in areas of high indigenous population, rather than high migrant population. Then lets not forget as to how many migrants actually registered to vote which isn't that much. Registering with the council that the person lives in the area does not automatically register the person to vote as registering to vote has to be done through the Electoral Commission.[/p][/quote]Your laughable anti UKIP smears have become dated because it failed. You need to find a new agenda. If you do tell the Old Parties what it is i am sure they would love to know themselves. What has London local Politics have to do with Bolton may i ask ?. But since it you who brought it up what about the Labour Cllrs who resigned for their own Party because a racism ?. Did you not come across that one.[/p][/quote]But after reading many of your posts you continually bring up other parts of the country in respect to trying to defend your comments. Also, you have mentioned numerous times within the archives about these 33 councillors. Therefore are you now suggesting that you did that to wind people up and that you do not have any interest in what happens elsewhere with regards to my papa' party? But the truth is UKIP only gained 161 seats taking a grand total to 163 which means that UKIP also lost quite a large number of seats. Nowhere near the earthquake that my papa and many other kippers were suggesting. UKIP gained less than half the number of seats that Labour gained. Papa did not predict that and failed miserably in creating a large force for UKIP as they only hold 3.89% of the seats and "others" hold 3.82% of the seats whilst Liberals hold 10.14% of seats - Papa's prediction of wanting to destroy the Liberals did not work either. Papa has failed miserably and in turn has failed UKIP. What is interesting and it is no surprise that papa has not mention it but in May 2013 the share percentage of UKIP was 24% whilst after these elections it is only 16%. Has the bubble already burst? I see all reports about all parties, Thomas, but as papa like his party to be at the forefront of all media attention, then that attention is also equilibrium to all negative reports. Do you think it is healthy that a father helped to win a council seat, for UKIP, by destroying his own daughters political career whilst she supports Labour. That is what happened in Hyndburn? Also why did papa's party not put any candidates in Blackburn as they surely should have won seats considering they have more of a "problem" with migrants than what Bolton does? Same with Burnley. Or is it because the people are more educated in politics and hat UKIP stands for.[/p][/quote]Good Bye TRO... ps. You are finished the people have spoken.[/p][/quote]He can't take the hint!... He's had 3 or 4 usernames banned since being banned as Tro. He just loves coming back for more. Suppose when you're unemployable and lives with his mummy there's nowt better to do!... itsnotthatbad
  • Score: 1

7:41am Mon 26 May 14

thomas222 says...

nigella farrage wrote:
Thomas,

I read the report and what he put in the letter, and it as all I's with a few We's and actually said, "But the Labour Party has changed. We know we made mistakes. We're determined to put them right."

Thu suggesting that they have already apologised and as such it is now history. It is nothing new, try looking up Hansard and other Political papers to show they have already apologised and this is just regurgitating what they have already said. Nothing new.

Why are you harking to the past to try to humiliate other Political Parties, whilst UKIP are doing it on a present daily basis.
Humiliating is what you and the old Legacy Parties have done with UKIP only to have it blow up in your faces like never before. I told you a long time ago that bullying the underdog is not acceptable to the British People and would backfire as it did and has. Here btw is your prediction for these results.
Torys 25
Labour 15
Libdems 13
Ukip 13
Others 6.


The reality was: Torys 19
Labour 20
Libdems 1
UKIP 24
Others 7. Not one to gloat by saying i told you so but i did. HAHAHAHAHAHA
[quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: Thomas, I read the report and what he put in the letter, and it as all I's with a few We's and actually said, "But the Labour Party has changed. We know we made mistakes. We're determined to put them right." Thu suggesting that they have already apologised and as such it is now history. It is nothing new, try looking up Hansard and other Political papers to show they have already apologised and this is just regurgitating what they have already said. Nothing new. Why are you harking to the past to try to humiliate other Political Parties, whilst UKIP are doing it on a present daily basis.[/p][/quote]Humiliating is what you and the old Legacy Parties have done with UKIP only to have it blow up in your faces like never before. I told you a long time ago that bullying the underdog is not acceptable to the British People and would backfire as it did and has. Here btw is your prediction for these results. Torys 25 Labour 15 Libdems 13 Ukip 13 Others 6. The reality was: Torys 19 Labour 20 Libdems 1 UKIP 24 Others 7. Not one to gloat by saying i told you so but i did. HAHAHAHAHAHA thomas222
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