Teachers' strike to close 'most' Bolton schools

The Bolton News: Teachers' strike to close "most" Bolton schools Teachers' strike to close "most" Bolton schools

THE majority of Bolton schools will shut if planned strike action by teachers on July 10 goes ahead.

A national walkout agreed by the National Union of Teachers (NUT) has been moved to July 10 — a date other unions, including Unison, have earmarked as a day of strike action.

The action will cause major disruption to the majority of schools.

Julia Simpkins, secretary of the Bolton branch of the NUT said talks had begun with Government ministers — but unless they progressed in a meaningful manner teachers would walk out in protest as they “stand up for education”.

This will be the fourth time members of the NUT have gone on strike in a long running row over working conditions, including increasing workloads and pay and pensions.

Ms Simpkins said: “Strike action on this day will mean the majority of the schools will close as other unions will be taking part. We will all be out together.

“This strike can be called off by the Government if there are meaningful talks.”

The NUT says pressure put on the government has led to ministers attending joint union talks, with the promise Education Secretary Michael Gove will attend a future meeting.

Ms Simpkins said the strike was more about children and their education than pay.

She added: “The message to parents is that teachers are taking this action for the education of this country and the education children receive.

“Morale is low in schools.

“We are losing good teachers and headteachers, who are taking early retirement, not because of the children or about teaching but because of Ofsted, observations and the countless new initiatives.”

Ms Simpkins said the Government could make a difference to education simply by reducing class sizes.

Simon Bramwell, headteacher of SS Simon and Jude’s CE Primary in Great Lever, and a member of the National Association of Head Teachers, said: “Managing a school in a strike situation is far from simple. We would not cover striking colleagues so as a minimum those classes that should be being taught for all or part of the day by striking staff would need to stay at home.

“The difficulty comes when staff do not indicate whether or not they intend to strike, or if the particular school is picketed, whether of not staff will cross picket lines, this creates uncertainty and potential health and safety issues.

“As a headteacher I need to know whether I have enough staff in school to keep the children safe. I know many fellow heads, whilst sympathetic to the general tenor of the action, would want to provide uninterrupted education for the pupils in their charge, however if the majority of your staff are going to be missing there is a balance of risks assessment that needs to be conducted on a school by school basis.

"The other obligation is to our parents, school strike action hits our parents hard as they struggle to arrange last minute child care, we therefore need to give them as much notice as possible which may mean heads making a decision on class or school closures before full facts are known.

“Even if a school does close to children, non striking staff need to attend work and be given other duties.”

He added: "I would always urge any group to try and resolve their differences with the employers, in such a way that it doesn’t impact negatively on children and parents."

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9:14am Mon 26 May 14

breightmet kid says...

Parents should sent their child care cost invoices to their child's school. Teachers get well paid, have good pension rights, good holidays but little or no respect fore the children they teach.
Parents should sent their child care cost invoices to their child's school. Teachers get well paid, have good pension rights, good holidays but little or no respect fore the children they teach. breightmet kid
  • Score: 0

9:33am Mon 26 May 14

Hectoriva says...

I don't know how teachers survive on their wages, hours & holidays. I wonder if they get fined for having a days term time off like parents who are forced to do it to give their kids a holiday & avoid the over charging holiday companies that can more than double holiday prices for school holidays!
I don't know how teachers survive on their wages, hours & holidays. I wonder if they get fined for having a days term time off like parents who are forced to do it to give their kids a holiday & avoid the over charging holiday companies that can more than double holiday prices for school holidays! Hectoriva
  • Score: -4

9:40am Mon 26 May 14

Thatissowrong says...

Shame on them. Greed and self-interest prevail. No wonder they are held in contempt. Years ago they were respected, not now.
Shame on them. Greed and self-interest prevail. No wonder they are held in contempt. Years ago they were respected, not now. Thatissowrong
  • Score: 2

10:25am Mon 26 May 14

I, Ludicrous says...

Well, it'll give the kids a chance to read To Kill a Mockingbird, I suppose.
Well, it'll give the kids a chance to read To Kill a Mockingbird, I suppose. I, Ludicrous
  • Score: 18

10:48am Mon 26 May 14

GoneNow says...

If you don't want to be teachers then give your notice in, get a different job and stop bleating on about how hard done by you are.

Nobody forced you down that career path.
If you don't want to be teachers then give your notice in, get a different job and stop bleating on about how hard done by you are. Nobody forced you down that career path. GoneNow
  • Score: 15

11:03am Mon 26 May 14

Beyond News Forum says...

breightmet kid wrote:
Parents should sent their child care cost invoices to their child's school. Teachers get well paid, have good pension rights, good holidays but little or no respect fore the children they teach.
INB4

That is exactly what will happen from here.
[quote][p][bold]breightmet kid[/bold] wrote: Parents should sent their child care cost invoices to their child's school. Teachers get well paid, have good pension rights, good holidays but little or no respect fore the children they teach.[/p][/quote]INB4 That is exactly what will happen from here. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 0

11:08am Mon 26 May 14

Freddie09 says...

I work in a school as support. Everyone thinks we're on a cushy number but we're not. We're very low paid (thousands below the £21k that everyone seems to think we get), and despite what people think we go 7 weeks unpaid each year, so whilst you all think we have great holidays, actually we only get the same amount as everyone else. We've not had a decent payrise in the 10yrs I've worked at a school. Then on top of that we can only take our holidays during summer/half terms etc therefore we always have to pay full whack meaning we can never afford a holiday unlike industry where you can get cheap deals. Yes I agree it's a safe job, yes I've enjoyed the benefit of seeing my child grow up and spend time with him but it really isn't what everyone thinks.......swings and roundabouts spring to mind. So please don't judge all school workers with the same brush.
I work in a school as support. Everyone thinks we're on a cushy number but we're not. We're very low paid (thousands below the £21k that everyone seems to think we get), and despite what people think we go 7 weeks unpaid each year, so whilst you all think we have great holidays, actually we only get the same amount as everyone else. We've not had a decent payrise in the 10yrs I've worked at a school. Then on top of that we can only take our holidays during summer/half terms etc therefore we always have to pay full whack meaning we can never afford a holiday unlike industry where you can get cheap deals. Yes I agree it's a safe job, yes I've enjoyed the benefit of seeing my child grow up and spend time with him but it really isn't what everyone thinks.......swings and roundabouts spring to mind. So please don't judge all school workers with the same brush. Freddie09
  • Score: 36

11:28am Mon 26 May 14

atlas123 says...

My parents work 40 hour weeks, 48 weeks a year and get paid £15k a year

They have had pay rises for the last 10yrs as per the NMW, their employer keeps them a fraction above the NMW.

Do they bleat about it? No!

Can they retire earlier that than nation retirement age....No!

Does their employer contribute to the their pension...No!

Do they go on strike causing chaos for their customers... No!

My father did leave the job and got another paying slightly more, but that company closed down and he was lucky enough to be taken back by the previous employer!

They have however, bought their house, pay for their prescriptions, pay tax and NI, and continue to get up and go to work.

Dont give my parents the bullshine about teachers, police, fire being hard done by! No stop moaning and go and do some work.


What makes you think you deserve a payrise?
My parents work 40 hour weeks, 48 weeks a year and get paid £15k a year They have had pay rises for the last 10yrs as per the NMW, their employer keeps them a fraction above the NMW. Do they bleat about it? No! Can they retire earlier that than nation retirement age....No! Does their employer contribute to the their pension...No! Do they go on strike causing chaos for their customers... No! My father did leave the job and got another paying slightly more, but that company closed down and he was lucky enough to be taken back by the previous employer! They have however, bought their house, pay for their prescriptions, pay tax and NI, and continue to get up and go to work. Dont give my parents the bullshine about teachers, police, fire being hard done by! No stop moaning and go and do some work. What makes you think you deserve a payrise? atlas123
  • Score: 16

11:41am Mon 26 May 14

davethomasadi says...

Good timing for a strike. Make sure you don't disturb your half term break..
Good timing for a strike. Make sure you don't disturb your half term break.. davethomasadi
  • Score: 5

11:49am Mon 26 May 14

Freddie09 says...

atlas123 wrote:
My parents work 40 hour weeks, 48 weeks a year and get paid £15k a year

They have had pay rises for the last 10yrs as per the NMW, their employer keeps them a fraction above the NMW.

Do they bleat about it? No!

Can they retire earlier that than nation retirement age....No!

Does their employer contribute to the their pension...No!

Do they go on strike causing chaos for their customers... No!

My father did leave the job and got another paying slightly more, but that company closed down and he was lucky enough to be taken back by the previous employer!

They have however, bought their house, pay for their prescriptions, pay tax and NI, and continue to get up and go to work.

Dont give my parents the bullshine about teachers, police, fire being hard done by! No stop moaning and go and do some work.


What makes you think you deserve a payrise?
So are you saying people who work in schools get free prescriptions etc???? Deluded!
[quote][p][bold]atlas123[/bold] wrote: My parents work 40 hour weeks, 48 weeks a year and get paid £15k a year They have had pay rises for the last 10yrs as per the NMW, their employer keeps them a fraction above the NMW. Do they bleat about it? No! Can they retire earlier that than nation retirement age....No! Does their employer contribute to the their pension...No! Do they go on strike causing chaos for their customers... No! My father did leave the job and got another paying slightly more, but that company closed down and he was lucky enough to be taken back by the previous employer! They have however, bought their house, pay for their prescriptions, pay tax and NI, and continue to get up and go to work. Dont give my parents the bullshine about teachers, police, fire being hard done by! No stop moaning and go and do some work. What makes you think you deserve a payrise?[/p][/quote]So are you saying people who work in schools get free prescriptions etc???? Deluded! Freddie09
  • Score: -14

11:52am Mon 26 May 14

Freddie09 says...

Freddie09 wrote:
atlas123 wrote:
My parents work 40 hour weeks, 48 weeks a year and get paid £15k a year

They have had pay rises for the last 10yrs as per the NMW, their employer keeps them a fraction above the NMW.

Do they bleat about it? No!

Can they retire earlier that than nation retirement age....No!

Does their employer contribute to the their pension...No!

Do they go on strike causing chaos for their customers... No!

My father did leave the job and got another paying slightly more, but that company closed down and he was lucky enough to be taken back by the previous employer!

They have however, bought their house, pay for their prescriptions, pay tax and NI, and continue to get up and go to work.

Dont give my parents the bullshine about teachers, police, fire being hard done by! No stop moaning and go and do some work.


What makes you think you deserve a payrise?
So are you saying people who work in schools get free prescriptions etc???? Deluded!
So are you saying people who work in schools get free prescriptions etc???? Deluded!

Also I'm not asking for a payrise I just don't want to be tarred with the same brush!

Do you work?
[quote][p][bold]Freddie09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]atlas123[/bold] wrote: My parents work 40 hour weeks, 48 weeks a year and get paid £15k a year They have had pay rises for the last 10yrs as per the NMW, their employer keeps them a fraction above the NMW. Do they bleat about it? No! Can they retire earlier that than nation retirement age....No! Does their employer contribute to the their pension...No! Do they go on strike causing chaos for their customers... No! My father did leave the job and got another paying slightly more, but that company closed down and he was lucky enough to be taken back by the previous employer! They have however, bought their house, pay for their prescriptions, pay tax and NI, and continue to get up and go to work. Dont give my parents the bullshine about teachers, police, fire being hard done by! No stop moaning and go and do some work. What makes you think you deserve a payrise?[/p][/quote]So are you saying people who work in schools get free prescriptions etc???? Deluded![/p][/quote]So are you saying people who work in schools get free prescriptions etc???? Deluded! Also I'm not asking for a payrise I just don't want to be tarred with the same brush! Do you work? Freddie09
  • Score: -18

11:56am Mon 26 May 14

Blackrod says...

Again I will have to have a day off work with shorter notice than the health service plan clinics for. Even if I tried to book planned leave now (assuming the quota of 2at a time only off hasnt been reached) it impacts on care as my appointments are booked. It's not just cancellation for statistics, it's the booked transport, carer taking day off. If not cancelled the waiting room is full of bored kids. Impacts all over so no I dont support it.
Again I will have to have a day off work with shorter notice than the health service plan clinics for. Even if I tried to book planned leave now (assuming the quota of 2at a time only off hasnt been reached) it impacts on care as my appointments are booked. It's not just cancellation for statistics, it's the booked transport, carer taking day off. If not cancelled the waiting room is full of bored kids. Impacts all over so no I dont support it. Blackrod
  • Score: 3

12:04pm Mon 26 May 14

atlas123 says...

Freddie09 wrote:
Freddie09 wrote:
atlas123 wrote:
My parents work 40 hour weeks, 48 weeks a year and get paid £15k a year

They have had pay rises for the last 10yrs as per the NMW, their employer keeps them a fraction above the NMW.

Do they bleat about it? No!

Can they retire earlier that than nation retirement age....No!

Does their employer contribute to the their pension...No!

Do they go on strike causing chaos for their customers... No!

My father did leave the job and got another paying slightly more, but that company closed down and he was lucky enough to be taken back by the previous employer!

They have however, bought their house, pay for their prescriptions, pay tax and NI, and continue to get up and go to work.

Dont give my parents the bullshine about teachers, police, fire being hard done by! No stop moaning and go and do some work.


What makes you think you deserve a payrise?
So are you saying people who work in schools get free prescriptions etc???? Deluded!
So are you saying people who work in schools get free prescriptions etc???? Deluded!

Also I'm not asking for a payrise I just don't want to be tarred with the same brush!

Do you work?
No I am not saying that, the point I am trying to make is that they pay their way, get on and dont **** about their lot. Where as... well fill in the blanks you clearly want to.

To be clear I should have said "The only pay-rises the have had in the last 10 years"

Yes I do work. 42 hours per week. I have not had a pay rise for the last 4 years other than minor fluctuations for shift changes.

Next...
[quote][p][bold]Freddie09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddie09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]atlas123[/bold] wrote: My parents work 40 hour weeks, 48 weeks a year and get paid £15k a year They have had pay rises for the last 10yrs as per the NMW, their employer keeps them a fraction above the NMW. Do they bleat about it? No! Can they retire earlier that than nation retirement age....No! Does their employer contribute to the their pension...No! Do they go on strike causing chaos for their customers... No! My father did leave the job and got another paying slightly more, but that company closed down and he was lucky enough to be taken back by the previous employer! They have however, bought their house, pay for their prescriptions, pay tax and NI, and continue to get up and go to work. Dont give my parents the bullshine about teachers, police, fire being hard done by! No stop moaning and go and do some work. What makes you think you deserve a payrise?[/p][/quote]So are you saying people who work in schools get free prescriptions etc???? Deluded![/p][/quote]So are you saying people who work in schools get free prescriptions etc???? Deluded! Also I'm not asking for a payrise I just don't want to be tarred with the same brush! Do you work?[/p][/quote]No I am not saying that, the point I am trying to make is that they pay their way, get on and dont **** about their lot. Where as... well fill in the blanks you clearly want to. To be clear I should have said "The only pay-rises the have had in the last 10 years" Yes I do work. 42 hours per week. I have not had a pay rise for the last 4 years other than minor fluctuations for shift changes. Next... atlas123
  • Score: 6

12:18pm Mon 26 May 14

Freddie09 says...

atlas123 wrote:
Freddie09 wrote:
Freddie09 wrote:
atlas123 wrote:
My parents work 40 hour weeks, 48 weeks a year and get paid £15k a year

They have had pay rises for the last 10yrs as per the NMW, their employer keeps them a fraction above the NMW.

Do they bleat about it? No!

Can they retire earlier that than nation retirement age....No!

Does their employer contribute to the their pension...No!

Do they go on strike causing chaos for their customers... No!

My father did leave the job and got another paying slightly more, but that company closed down and he was lucky enough to be taken back by the previous employer!

They have however, bought their house, pay for their prescriptions, pay tax and NI, and continue to get up and go to work.

Dont give my parents the bullshine about teachers, police, fire being hard done by! No stop moaning and go and do some work.


What makes you think you deserve a payrise?
So are you saying people who work in schools get free prescriptions etc???? Deluded!
So are you saying people who work in schools get free prescriptions etc???? Deluded!

Also I'm not asking for a payrise I just don't want to be tarred with the same brush!

Do you work?
No I am not saying that, the point I am trying to make is that they pay their way, get on and dont **** about their lot. Where as... well fill in the blanks you clearly want to.

To be clear I should have said "The only pay-rises the have had in the last 10 years"

Yes I do work. 42 hours per week. I have not had a pay rise for the last 4 years other than minor fluctuations for shift changes.

Next...
And as I've said I'm not asking for a payrise! I agree teachers have got a good job I tell then that all the time, but agree that they shouldn't have to put up with kids telling them to ****-off!.....all I'm saying is that people automatically think that anyone who works in education have a fantastic job. I work 40hrs.....not part time like everyone thinks. And like I say 7 weeks (nearly 2 months a year) is not paid for! Therefore I'm on less than your parents!
[quote][p][bold]atlas123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddie09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddie09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]atlas123[/bold] wrote: My parents work 40 hour weeks, 48 weeks a year and get paid £15k a year They have had pay rises for the last 10yrs as per the NMW, their employer keeps them a fraction above the NMW. Do they bleat about it? No! Can they retire earlier that than nation retirement age....No! Does their employer contribute to the their pension...No! Do they go on strike causing chaos for their customers... No! My father did leave the job and got another paying slightly more, but that company closed down and he was lucky enough to be taken back by the previous employer! They have however, bought their house, pay for their prescriptions, pay tax and NI, and continue to get up and go to work. Dont give my parents the bullshine about teachers, police, fire being hard done by! No stop moaning and go and do some work. What makes you think you deserve a payrise?[/p][/quote]So are you saying people who work in schools get free prescriptions etc???? Deluded![/p][/quote]So are you saying people who work in schools get free prescriptions etc???? Deluded! Also I'm not asking for a payrise I just don't want to be tarred with the same brush! Do you work?[/p][/quote]No I am not saying that, the point I am trying to make is that they pay their way, get on and dont **** about their lot. Where as... well fill in the blanks you clearly want to. To be clear I should have said "The only pay-rises the have had in the last 10 years" Yes I do work. 42 hours per week. I have not had a pay rise for the last 4 years other than minor fluctuations for shift changes. Next...[/p][/quote]And as I've said I'm not asking for a payrise! I agree teachers have got a good job I tell then that all the time, but agree that they shouldn't have to put up with kids telling them to ****-off!.....all I'm saying is that people automatically think that anyone who works in education have a fantastic job. I work 40hrs.....not part time like everyone thinks. And like I say 7 weeks (nearly 2 months a year) is not paid for! Therefore I'm on less than your parents! Freddie09
  • Score: -3

12:45pm Mon 26 May 14

itsnotthatbad says...

Freddie09 wrote:
I work in a school as support. Everyone thinks we're on a cushy number but we're not. We're very low paid (thousands below the £21k that everyone seems to think we get), and despite what people think we go 7 weeks unpaid each year, so whilst you all think we have great holidays, actually we only get the same amount as everyone else. We've not had a decent payrise in the 10yrs I've worked at a school. Then on top of that we can only take our holidays during summer/half terms etc therefore we always have to pay full whack meaning we can never afford a holiday unlike industry where you can get cheap deals. Yes I agree it's a safe job, yes I've enjoyed the benefit of seeing my child grow up and spend time with him but it really isn't what everyone thinks.......swings and roundabouts spring to mind. So please don't judge all school workers with the same brush.
So you're not a teacher then!... It's the teachers moaning about wages etc. This is aimed at teachers not support staff. We all know support staff earn same as us! Just saying police and nurses etc all get the same deal. I think this boils down to certain professions think they have special dispensation. You take a job you know what the shifts are prior to taking up the post. I wouldn't get a job working nights then moan I never get a night off.... We SHOULD send childcare bills in.
[quote][p][bold]Freddie09[/bold] wrote: I work in a school as support. Everyone thinks we're on a cushy number but we're not. We're very low paid (thousands below the £21k that everyone seems to think we get), and despite what people think we go 7 weeks unpaid each year, so whilst you all think we have great holidays, actually we only get the same amount as everyone else. We've not had a decent payrise in the 10yrs I've worked at a school. Then on top of that we can only take our holidays during summer/half terms etc therefore we always have to pay full whack meaning we can never afford a holiday unlike industry where you can get cheap deals. Yes I agree it's a safe job, yes I've enjoyed the benefit of seeing my child grow up and spend time with him but it really isn't what everyone thinks.......swings and roundabouts spring to mind. So please don't judge all school workers with the same brush.[/p][/quote]So you're not a teacher then!... It's the teachers moaning about wages etc. This is aimed at teachers not support staff. We all know support staff earn same as us! Just saying police and nurses etc all get the same deal. I think this boils down to certain professions think they have special dispensation. You take a job you know what the shifts are prior to taking up the post. I wouldn't get a job working nights then moan I never get a night off.... We SHOULD send childcare bills in. itsnotthatbad
  • Score: 1

12:50pm Mon 26 May 14

Freddie09 says...

itsnotthatbad wrote:
Freddie09 wrote:
I work in a school as support. Everyone thinks we're on a cushy number but we're not. We're very low paid (thousands below the £21k that everyone seems to think we get), and despite what people think we go 7 weeks unpaid each year, so whilst you all think we have great holidays, actually we only get the same amount as everyone else. We've not had a decent payrise in the 10yrs I've worked at a school. Then on top of that we can only take our holidays during summer/half terms etc therefore we always have to pay full whack meaning we can never afford a holiday unlike industry where you can get cheap deals. Yes I agree it's a safe job, yes I've enjoyed the benefit of seeing my child grow up and spend time with him but it really isn't what everyone thinks.......swings and roundabouts spring to mind. So please don't judge all school workers with the same brush.
So you're not a teacher then!... It's the teachers moaning about wages etc. This is aimed at teachers not support staff. We all know support staff earn same as us! Just saying police and nurses etc all get the same deal. I think this boils down to certain professions think they have special dispensation. You take a job you know what the shifts are prior to taking up the post. I wouldn't get a job working nights then moan I never get a night off.... We SHOULD send childcare bills in.
No I'm not. But unfortunately in unison therefore I feel we're been but in the same category :(
[quote][p][bold]itsnotthatbad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddie09[/bold] wrote: I work in a school as support. Everyone thinks we're on a cushy number but we're not. We're very low paid (thousands below the £21k that everyone seems to think we get), and despite what people think we go 7 weeks unpaid each year, so whilst you all think we have great holidays, actually we only get the same amount as everyone else. We've not had a decent payrise in the 10yrs I've worked at a school. Then on top of that we can only take our holidays during summer/half terms etc therefore we always have to pay full whack meaning we can never afford a holiday unlike industry where you can get cheap deals. Yes I agree it's a safe job, yes I've enjoyed the benefit of seeing my child grow up and spend time with him but it really isn't what everyone thinks.......swings and roundabouts spring to mind. So please don't judge all school workers with the same brush.[/p][/quote]So you're not a teacher then!... It's the teachers moaning about wages etc. This is aimed at teachers not support staff. We all know support staff earn same as us! Just saying police and nurses etc all get the same deal. I think this boils down to certain professions think they have special dispensation. You take a job you know what the shifts are prior to taking up the post. I wouldn't get a job working nights then moan I never get a night off.... We SHOULD send childcare bills in.[/p][/quote]No I'm not. But unfortunately in unison therefore I feel we're been but in the same category :( Freddie09
  • Score: -3

1:09pm Mon 26 May 14

catsden says...

So it is alright to shut schools when it is convenient to the teachers, but let a child have a day off school without permission it is different, one rule for one and one for another I just wish I got as many holidays as the teachers, they only work about 4 weeks then they get a week off, they are just being selfish and greedy, they should be thankful they have a job.
So it is alright to shut schools when it is convenient to the teachers, but let a child have a day off school without permission it is different, one rule for one and one for another I just wish I got as many holidays as the teachers, they only work about 4 weeks then they get a week off, they are just being selfish and greedy, they should be thankful they have a job. catsden
  • Score: 5

1:15pm Mon 26 May 14

catsden says...

You chose the job, no one made you do it, so get on with it and stop moaning or get out of education, and get a job with far less holidays than you get now, you should be bloody lucky you have a job, selfish teachers, think about the children and not about yourselves, you are paid to educate children so get on with it, if a child has a day off with permission the parents get fined, fine the bloody teachers.
You chose the job, no one made you do it, so get on with it and stop moaning or get out of education, and get a job with far less holidays than you get now, you should be bloody lucky you have a job, selfish teachers, think about the children and not about yourselves, you are paid to educate children so get on with it, if a child has a day off with permission the parents get fined, fine the bloody teachers. catsden
  • Score: 9

1:17pm Mon 26 May 14

catsden says...

re my comment above, I should have said if a child has a day off without permission
re my comment above, I should have said if a child has a day off without permission catsden
  • Score: 3

2:08pm Mon 26 May 14

JustBecause says...

Freddie09 wrote:
I work in a school as support. Everyone thinks we're on a cushy number but we're not. We're very low paid (thousands below the £21k that everyone seems to think we get), and despite what people think we go 7 weeks unpaid each year, so whilst you all think we have great holidays, actually we only get the same amount as everyone else. We've not had a decent payrise in the 10yrs I've worked at a school. Then on top of that we can only take our holidays during summer/half terms etc therefore we always have to pay full whack meaning we can never afford a holiday unlike industry where you can get cheap deals. Yes I agree it's a safe job, yes I've enjoyed the benefit of seeing my child grow up and spend time with him but it really isn't what everyone thinks.......swings and roundabouts spring to mind. So please don't judge all school workers with the same brush.
So your not a teacher, and you have options, not happy get another job.... Simple.

Diabolical behaviour from this lot again, double standards and lies, take you child out of school form a few days without authority and you in trouble, because it effects their learning etc, etc...yet the unions think they can do it when they want.

Unions should be banned,,they are in it for their own wealth, nothing to do with its members, or it would realise, the majority disagrees with strike action, it effects parents badly, and ultimately industrial terrorism will not and can not be allowed to work.
[quote][p][bold]Freddie09[/bold] wrote: I work in a school as support. Everyone thinks we're on a cushy number but we're not. We're very low paid (thousands below the £21k that everyone seems to think we get), and despite what people think we go 7 weeks unpaid each year, so whilst you all think we have great holidays, actually we only get the same amount as everyone else. We've not had a decent payrise in the 10yrs I've worked at a school. Then on top of that we can only take our holidays during summer/half terms etc therefore we always have to pay full whack meaning we can never afford a holiday unlike industry where you can get cheap deals. Yes I agree it's a safe job, yes I've enjoyed the benefit of seeing my child grow up and spend time with him but it really isn't what everyone thinks.......swings and roundabouts spring to mind. So please don't judge all school workers with the same brush.[/p][/quote]So your not a teacher, and you have options, not happy get another job.... Simple. Diabolical behaviour from this lot again, double standards and lies, take you child out of school form a few days without authority and you in trouble, because it effects their learning etc, etc...yet the unions think they can do it when they want. Unions should be banned,,they are in it for their own wealth, nothing to do with its members, or it would realise, the majority disagrees with strike action, it effects parents badly, and ultimately industrial terrorism will not and can not be allowed to work. JustBecause
  • Score: 4

2:15pm Mon 26 May 14

JustBecause says...

I am going to ask the head of my school if its ok not to bring my little one in because we, as parents, are on strike for that day, and are refusing to take them to school.
I am going to ask the head of my school if its ok not to bring my little one in because we, as parents, are on strike for that day, and are refusing to take them to school. JustBecause
  • Score: 5

2:29pm Mon 26 May 14

Bolton Lad 85 says...

atlas123 wrote:
My parents work 40 hour weeks, 48 weeks a year and get paid £15k a year

They have had pay rises for the last 10yrs as per the NMW, their employer keeps them a fraction above the NMW.

Do they bleat about it? No!

Can they retire earlier that than nation retirement age....No!

Does their employer contribute to the their pension...No!

Do they go on strike causing chaos for their customers... No!

My father did leave the job and got another paying slightly more, but that company closed down and he was lucky enough to be taken back by the previous employer!

They have however, bought their house, pay for their prescriptions, pay tax and NI, and continue to get up and go to work.

Dont give my parents the bullshine about teachers, police, fire being hard done by! No stop moaning and go and do some work.


What makes you think you deserve a payrise?
To be honest if they are working on 15k a year the clearly have a job that requires little intelligence or responsibility. I am uncomfortable with a lot of teachers complaints but at least they have gone and got an education.
[quote][p][bold]atlas123[/bold] wrote: My parents work 40 hour weeks, 48 weeks a year and get paid £15k a year They have had pay rises for the last 10yrs as per the NMW, their employer keeps them a fraction above the NMW. Do they bleat about it? No! Can they retire earlier that than nation retirement age....No! Does their employer contribute to the their pension...No! Do they go on strike causing chaos for their customers... No! My father did leave the job and got another paying slightly more, but that company closed down and he was lucky enough to be taken back by the previous employer! They have however, bought their house, pay for their prescriptions, pay tax and NI, and continue to get up and go to work. Dont give my parents the bullshine about teachers, police, fire being hard done by! No stop moaning and go and do some work. What makes you think you deserve a payrise?[/p][/quote]To be honest if they are working on 15k a year the clearly have a job that requires little intelligence or responsibility. I am uncomfortable with a lot of teachers complaints but at least they have gone and got an education. Bolton Lad 85
  • Score: -2

2:48pm Mon 26 May 14

holloway_david says...

I agree with most posters comments but at least its one more day when parents don't park across my drive.
I agree with most posters comments but at least its one more day when parents don't park across my drive. holloway_david
  • Score: 15

2:52pm Mon 26 May 14

Freddie09 says...

JustBecause wrote:
Freddie09 wrote:
I work in a school as support. Everyone thinks we're on a cushy number but we're not. We're very low paid (thousands below the £21k that everyone seems to think we get), and despite what people think we go 7 weeks unpaid each year, so whilst you all think we have great holidays, actually we only get the same amount as everyone else. We've not had a decent payrise in the 10yrs I've worked at a school. Then on top of that we can only take our holidays during summer/half terms etc therefore we always have to pay full whack meaning we can never afford a holiday unlike industry where you can get cheap deals. Yes I agree it's a safe job, yes I've enjoyed the benefit of seeing my child grow up and spend time with him but it really isn't what everyone thinks.......swings and roundabouts spring to mind. So please don't judge all school workers with the same brush.
So your not a teacher, and you have options, not happy get another job.... Simple.

Diabolical behaviour from this lot again, double standards and lies, take you child out of school form a few days without authority and you in trouble, because it effects their learning etc, etc...yet the unions think they can do it when they want.

Unions should be banned,,they are in it for their own wealth, nothing to do with its members, or it would realise, the majority disagrees with strike action, it effects parents badly, and ultimately industrial terrorism will not and can not be allowed to work.
That is my point! I'm not saying I'm not happy.....tell me where I've said I'm not happy???? I'm pointing out that although my union is striking I don't agree, nothing comes of it apart from the council getting my wage! As for getting another job.....how when there isn't any?? I've already said I'm lucky because it's a safe job!!!
[quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddie09[/bold] wrote: I work in a school as support. Everyone thinks we're on a cushy number but we're not. We're very low paid (thousands below the £21k that everyone seems to think we get), and despite what people think we go 7 weeks unpaid each year, so whilst you all think we have great holidays, actually we only get the same amount as everyone else. We've not had a decent payrise in the 10yrs I've worked at a school. Then on top of that we can only take our holidays during summer/half terms etc therefore we always have to pay full whack meaning we can never afford a holiday unlike industry where you can get cheap deals. Yes I agree it's a safe job, yes I've enjoyed the benefit of seeing my child grow up and spend time with him but it really isn't what everyone thinks.......swings and roundabouts spring to mind. So please don't judge all school workers with the same brush.[/p][/quote]So your not a teacher, and you have options, not happy get another job.... Simple. Diabolical behaviour from this lot again, double standards and lies, take you child out of school form a few days without authority and you in trouble, because it effects their learning etc, etc...yet the unions think they can do it when they want. Unions should be banned,,they are in it for their own wealth, nothing to do with its members, or it would realise, the majority disagrees with strike action, it effects parents badly, and ultimately industrial terrorism will not and can not be allowed to work.[/p][/quote]That is my point! I'm not saying I'm not happy.....tell me where I've said I'm not happy???? I'm pointing out that although my union is striking I don't agree, nothing comes of it apart from the council getting my wage! As for getting another job.....how when there isn't any?? I've already said I'm lucky because it's a safe job!!! Freddie09
  • Score: 2

2:55pm Mon 26 May 14

Freddie09 says...

Freddie09 wrote:
JustBecause wrote:
Freddie09 wrote:
I work in a school as support. Everyone thinks we're on a cushy number but we're not. We're very low paid (thousands below the £21k that everyone seems to think we get), and despite what people think we go 7 weeks unpaid each year, so whilst you all think we have great holidays, actually we only get the same amount as everyone else. We've not had a decent payrise in the 10yrs I've worked at a school. Then on top of that we can only take our holidays during summer/half terms etc therefore we always have to pay full whack meaning we can never afford a holiday unlike industry where you can get cheap deals. Yes I agree it's a safe job, yes I've enjoyed the benefit of seeing my child grow up and spend time with him but it really isn't what everyone thinks.......swings and roundabouts spring to mind. So please don't judge all school workers with the same brush.
So your not a teacher, and you have options, not happy get another job.... Simple.

Diabolical behaviour from this lot again, double standards and lies, take you child out of school form a few days without authority and you in trouble, because it effects their learning etc, etc...yet the unions think they can do it when they want.

Unions should be banned,,they are in it for their own wealth, nothing to do with its members, or it would realise, the majority disagrees with strike action, it effects parents badly, and ultimately industrial terrorism will not and can not be allowed to work.
That is my point! I'm not saying I'm not happy.....tell me where I've said I'm not happy???? I'm pointing out that although my union is striking I don't agree, nothing comes of it apart from the council getting my wage! As for getting another job.....how when there isn't any?? I've already said I'm lucky because it's a safe job!!!
And yes I do think it's unfair that parents get fined for taking kids on holiday! I don't think everything in life should be about education! I think they learn far more from exploring places. Life should be about happiness, family, friends then education!
[quote][p][bold]Freddie09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddie09[/bold] wrote: I work in a school as support. Everyone thinks we're on a cushy number but we're not. We're very low paid (thousands below the £21k that everyone seems to think we get), and despite what people think we go 7 weeks unpaid each year, so whilst you all think we have great holidays, actually we only get the same amount as everyone else. We've not had a decent payrise in the 10yrs I've worked at a school. Then on top of that we can only take our holidays during summer/half terms etc therefore we always have to pay full whack meaning we can never afford a holiday unlike industry where you can get cheap deals. Yes I agree it's a safe job, yes I've enjoyed the benefit of seeing my child grow up and spend time with him but it really isn't what everyone thinks.......swings and roundabouts spring to mind. So please don't judge all school workers with the same brush.[/p][/quote]So your not a teacher, and you have options, not happy get another job.... Simple. Diabolical behaviour from this lot again, double standards and lies, take you child out of school form a few days without authority and you in trouble, because it effects their learning etc, etc...yet the unions think they can do it when they want. Unions should be banned,,they are in it for their own wealth, nothing to do with its members, or it would realise, the majority disagrees with strike action, it effects parents badly, and ultimately industrial terrorism will not and can not be allowed to work.[/p][/quote]That is my point! I'm not saying I'm not happy.....tell me where I've said I'm not happy???? I'm pointing out that although my union is striking I don't agree, nothing comes of it apart from the council getting my wage! As for getting another job.....how when there isn't any?? I've already said I'm lucky because it's a safe job!!![/p][/quote]And yes I do think it's unfair that parents get fined for taking kids on holiday! I don't think everything in life should be about education! I think they learn far more from exploring places. Life should be about happiness, family, friends then education! Freddie09
  • Score: 8

6:33pm Mon 26 May 14

crazyoldme says...

They are only doing it so they can the football. :D
They are only doing it so they can the football. :D crazyoldme
  • Score: -1

6:47pm Mon 26 May 14

atlas123 says...

Freddie09 wrote:
itsnotthatbad wrote:
Freddie09 wrote:
I work in a school as support. Everyone thinks we're on a cushy number but we're not. We're very low paid (thousands below the £21k that everyone seems to think we get), and despite what people think we go 7 weeks unpaid each year, so whilst you all think we have great holidays, actually we only get the same amount as everyone else. We've not had a decent payrise in the 10yrs I've worked at a school. Then on top of that we can only take our holidays during summer/half terms etc therefore we always have to pay full whack meaning we can never afford a holiday unlike industry where you can get cheap deals. Yes I agree it's a safe job, yes I've enjoyed the benefit of seeing my child grow up and spend time with him but it really isn't what everyone thinks.......swings and roundabouts spring to mind. So please don't judge all school workers with the same brush.
So you're not a teacher then!... It's the teachers moaning about wages etc. This is aimed at teachers not support staff. We all know support staff earn same as us! Just saying police and nurses etc all get the same deal. I think this boils down to certain professions think they have special dispensation. You take a job you know what the shifts are prior to taking up the post. I wouldn't get a job working nights then moan I never get a night off.... We SHOULD send childcare bills in.
No I'm not. But unfortunately in unison therefore I feel we're been but in the same category :(
Well get out of Unison membership of the union is not compulsory, nor is supporting their views.

Unison are supposed to represent workers in the role which I perform.

I am not in it, I am no worse of for it...

I would go as far as to say I'm nearly £15 a month better off for it.
[quote][p][bold]Freddie09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]itsnotthatbad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddie09[/bold] wrote: I work in a school as support. Everyone thinks we're on a cushy number but we're not. We're very low paid (thousands below the £21k that everyone seems to think we get), and despite what people think we go 7 weeks unpaid each year, so whilst you all think we have great holidays, actually we only get the same amount as everyone else. We've not had a decent payrise in the 10yrs I've worked at a school. Then on top of that we can only take our holidays during summer/half terms etc therefore we always have to pay full whack meaning we can never afford a holiday unlike industry where you can get cheap deals. Yes I agree it's a safe job, yes I've enjoyed the benefit of seeing my child grow up and spend time with him but it really isn't what everyone thinks.......swings and roundabouts spring to mind. So please don't judge all school workers with the same brush.[/p][/quote]So you're not a teacher then!... It's the teachers moaning about wages etc. This is aimed at teachers not support staff. We all know support staff earn same as us! Just saying police and nurses etc all get the same deal. I think this boils down to certain professions think they have special dispensation. You take a job you know what the shifts are prior to taking up the post. I wouldn't get a job working nights then moan I never get a night off.... We SHOULD send childcare bills in.[/p][/quote]No I'm not. But unfortunately in unison therefore I feel we're been but in the same category :([/p][/quote]Well get out of Unison membership of the union is not compulsory, nor is supporting their views. Unison are supposed to represent workers in the role which I perform. I am not in it, I am no worse of for it... I would go as far as to say I'm nearly £15 a month better off for it. atlas123
  • Score: 8

7:45pm Mon 26 May 14

BibbleBobble says...

"Ms Simpkins said the strike was more about children and their education than pay.

These parasitical,self serving, socialist/communist, bleeding heart do-gooder types make we want vomit. This woman couldn't care less about children's education. She only cares about the money in her suit trouser pockets!

If she really cared, she would be doing something about the absolutely abysmal standard of education our children are receiving.
"Ms Simpkins said the strike was more about children and their education than pay. These parasitical,self serving, socialist/communist, bleeding heart do-gooder types make we want vomit. This woman couldn't care less about children's education. She only cares about the money in her suit trouser pockets! If she really cared, she would be doing something about the absolutely abysmal standard of education our children are receiving. BibbleBobble
  • Score: 8

11:02pm Mon 26 May 14

mc1986 says...

Simpkins is useless!! Only interested in militant action, free days out protesting in London (yes the NUT offer free train travel for your day out) and strikes that seem a great excuse for another day off to add to the annual 60. NUT - National Union of Tosspots!!
Simpkins is useless!! Only interested in militant action, free days out protesting in London (yes the NUT offer free train travel for your day out) and strikes that seem a great excuse for another day off to add to the annual 60. NUT - National Union of Tosspots!! mc1986
  • Score: 2

11:22pm Mon 26 May 14

mr.mark.c says...

I see the free babysitting service lobby are out in force, what would happen if the much needed teachers did just quit ?
You would have to give up your own job to teach your own children, maybe you are just happy to dump your kids and let them abuse the teachers as they do.
I see the free babysitting service lobby are out in force, what would happen if the much needed teachers did just quit ? You would have to give up your own job to teach your own children, maybe you are just happy to dump your kids and let them abuse the teachers as they do. mr.mark.c
  • Score: 11

11:41pm Mon 26 May 14

Lanchester says...

Freddie09 wrote:
JustBecause wrote:
Freddie09 wrote:
I work in a school as support. Everyone thinks we're on a cushy number but we're not. We're very low paid (thousands below the £21k that everyone seems to think we get), and despite what people think we go 7 weeks unpaid each year, so whilst you all think we have great holidays, actually we only get the same amount as everyone else. We've not had a decent payrise in the 10yrs I've worked at a school. Then on top of that we can only take our holidays during summer/half terms etc therefore we always have to pay full whack meaning we can never afford a holiday unlike industry where you can get cheap deals. Yes I agree it's a safe job, yes I've enjoyed the benefit of seeing my child grow up and spend time with him but it really isn't what everyone thinks.......swings and roundabouts spring to mind. So please don't judge all school workers with the same brush.
So your not a teacher, and you have options, not happy get another job.... Simple.

Diabolical behaviour from this lot again, double standards and lies, take you child out of school form a few days without authority and you in trouble, because it effects their learning etc, etc...yet the unions think they can do it when they want.

Unions should be banned,,they are in it for their own wealth, nothing to do with its members, or it would realise, the majority disagrees with strike action, it effects parents badly, and ultimately industrial terrorism will not and can not be allowed to work.
That is my point! I'm not saying I'm not happy.....tell me where I've said I'm not happy???? I'm pointing out that although my union is striking I don't agree, nothing comes of it apart from the council getting my wage! As for getting another job.....how when there isn't any?? I've already said I'm lucky because it's a safe job!!!
Are you sure that UNISON are striking? I work in a school as support and previously we have had to go into work when teachers are on strike as UNISON have not supported this.
[quote][p][bold]Freddie09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddie09[/bold] wrote: I work in a school as support. Everyone thinks we're on a cushy number but we're not. We're very low paid (thousands below the £21k that everyone seems to think we get), and despite what people think we go 7 weeks unpaid each year, so whilst you all think we have great holidays, actually we only get the same amount as everyone else. We've not had a decent payrise in the 10yrs I've worked at a school. Then on top of that we can only take our holidays during summer/half terms etc therefore we always have to pay full whack meaning we can never afford a holiday unlike industry where you can get cheap deals. Yes I agree it's a safe job, yes I've enjoyed the benefit of seeing my child grow up and spend time with him but it really isn't what everyone thinks.......swings and roundabouts spring to mind. So please don't judge all school workers with the same brush.[/p][/quote]So your not a teacher, and you have options, not happy get another job.... Simple. Diabolical behaviour from this lot again, double standards and lies, take you child out of school form a few days without authority and you in trouble, because it effects their learning etc, etc...yet the unions think they can do it when they want. Unions should be banned,,they are in it for their own wealth, nothing to do with its members, or it would realise, the majority disagrees with strike action, it effects parents badly, and ultimately industrial terrorism will not and can not be allowed to work.[/p][/quote]That is my point! I'm not saying I'm not happy.....tell me where I've said I'm not happy???? I'm pointing out that although my union is striking I don't agree, nothing comes of it apart from the council getting my wage! As for getting another job.....how when there isn't any?? I've already said I'm lucky because it's a safe job!!![/p][/quote]Are you sure that UNISON are striking? I work in a school as support and previously we have had to go into work when teachers are on strike as UNISON have not supported this. Lanchester
  • Score: 0

3:46am Tue 27 May 14

Freddie09 says...

Lanchester wrote:
Freddie09 wrote:
JustBecause wrote:
Freddie09 wrote:
I work in a school as support. Everyone thinks we're on a cushy number but we're not. We're very low paid (thousands below the £21k that everyone seems to think we get), and despite what people think we go 7 weeks unpaid each year, so whilst you all think we have great holidays, actually we only get the same amount as everyone else. We've not had a decent payrise in the 10yrs I've worked at a school. Then on top of that we can only take our holidays during summer/half terms etc therefore we always have to pay full whack meaning we can never afford a holiday unlike industry where you can get cheap deals. Yes I agree it's a safe job, yes I've enjoyed the benefit of seeing my child grow up and spend time with him but it really isn't what everyone thinks.......swings and roundabouts spring to mind. So please don't judge all school workers with the same brush.
So your not a teacher, and you have options, not happy get another job.... Simple.

Diabolical behaviour from this lot again, double standards and lies, take you child out of school form a few days without authority and you in trouble, because it effects their learning etc, etc...yet the unions think they can do it when they want.

Unions should be banned,,they are in it for their own wealth, nothing to do with its members, or it would realise, the majority disagrees with strike action, it effects parents badly, and ultimately industrial terrorism will not and can not be allowed to work.
That is my point! I'm not saying I'm not happy.....tell me where I've said I'm not happy???? I'm pointing out that although my union is striking I don't agree, nothing comes of it apart from the council getting my wage! As for getting another job.....how when there isn't any?? I've already said I'm lucky because it's a safe job!!!
Are you sure that UNISON are striking? I work in a school as support and previously we have had to go into work when teachers are on strike as UNISON have not supported this.
Who knows? It's quotes unison as striking, but we've not even been balloted yet.
[quote][p][bold]Lanchester[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddie09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddie09[/bold] wrote: I work in a school as support. Everyone thinks we're on a cushy number but we're not. We're very low paid (thousands below the £21k that everyone seems to think we get), and despite what people think we go 7 weeks unpaid each year, so whilst you all think we have great holidays, actually we only get the same amount as everyone else. We've not had a decent payrise in the 10yrs I've worked at a school. Then on top of that we can only take our holidays during summer/half terms etc therefore we always have to pay full whack meaning we can never afford a holiday unlike industry where you can get cheap deals. Yes I agree it's a safe job, yes I've enjoyed the benefit of seeing my child grow up and spend time with him but it really isn't what everyone thinks.......swings and roundabouts spring to mind. So please don't judge all school workers with the same brush.[/p][/quote]So your not a teacher, and you have options, not happy get another job.... Simple. Diabolical behaviour from this lot again, double standards and lies, take you child out of school form a few days without authority and you in trouble, because it effects their learning etc, etc...yet the unions think they can do it when they want. Unions should be banned,,they are in it for their own wealth, nothing to do with its members, or it would realise, the majority disagrees with strike action, it effects parents badly, and ultimately industrial terrorism will not and can not be allowed to work.[/p][/quote]That is my point! I'm not saying I'm not happy.....tell me where I've said I'm not happy???? I'm pointing out that although my union is striking I don't agree, nothing comes of it apart from the council getting my wage! As for getting another job.....how when there isn't any?? I've already said I'm lucky because it's a safe job!!![/p][/quote]Are you sure that UNISON are striking? I work in a school as support and previously we have had to go into work when teachers are on strike as UNISON have not supported this.[/p][/quote]Who knows? It's quotes unison as striking, but we've not even been balloted yet. Freddie09
  • Score: 3

8:07am Tue 27 May 14

toryhater says...

atlas123 wrote:
My parents work 40 hour weeks, 48 weeks a year and get paid £15k a year

They have had pay rises for the last 10yrs as per the NMW, their employer keeps them a fraction above the NMW.

Do they bleat about it? No!

Can they retire earlier that than nation retirement age....No!

Does their employer contribute to the their pension...No!

Do they go on strike causing chaos for their customers... No!

My father did leave the job and got another paying slightly more, but that company closed down and he was lucky enough to be taken back by the previous employer!

They have however, bought their house, pay for their prescriptions, pay tax and NI, and continue to get up and go to work.

Dont give my parents the bullshine about teachers, police, fire being hard done by! No stop moaning and go and do some work.


What makes you think you deserve a payrise?
Let's have a race to the bottom then shall we, it's people like you that keep the working class under the thumb, if people hadn't fought back, we wouldn't enjoy most of the pay and conditions we see today, when executives, banker and Mp's are seeing pay rises in excess of 50k it is a crime that the working class have to continue to fight for every penny they receive. I bet your week parent are the type that wouldn't take action but enjoy the rewards on the backs of other, parasite rings to mind not hero's
[quote][p][bold]atlas123[/bold] wrote: My parents work 40 hour weeks, 48 weeks a year and get paid £15k a year They have had pay rises for the last 10yrs as per the NMW, their employer keeps them a fraction above the NMW. Do they bleat about it? No! Can they retire earlier that than nation retirement age....No! Does their employer contribute to the their pension...No! Do they go on strike causing chaos for their customers... No! My father did leave the job and got another paying slightly more, but that company closed down and he was lucky enough to be taken back by the previous employer! They have however, bought their house, pay for their prescriptions, pay tax and NI, and continue to get up and go to work. Dont give my parents the bullshine about teachers, police, fire being hard done by! No stop moaning and go and do some work. What makes you think you deserve a payrise?[/p][/quote]Let's have a race to the bottom then shall we, it's people like you that keep the working class under the thumb, if people hadn't fought back, we wouldn't enjoy most of the pay and conditions we see today, when executives, banker and Mp's are seeing pay rises in excess of 50k it is a crime that the working class have to continue to fight for every penny they receive. I bet your week parent are the type that wouldn't take action but enjoy the rewards on the backs of other, parasite rings to mind not hero's toryhater
  • Score: 2

8:30am Tue 27 May 14

toryhater says...

Freddie09 wrote:
Lanchester wrote:
Freddie09 wrote:
JustBecause wrote:
Freddie09 wrote:
I work in a school as support. Everyone thinks we're on a cushy number but we're not. We're very low paid (thousands below the £21k that everyone seems to think we get), and despite what people think we go 7 weeks unpaid each year, so whilst you all think we have great holidays, actually we only get the same amount as everyone else. We've not had a decent payrise in the 10yrs I've worked at a school. Then on top of that we can only take our holidays during summer/half terms etc therefore we always have to pay full whack meaning we can never afford a holiday unlike industry where you can get cheap deals. Yes I agree it's a safe job, yes I've enjoyed the benefit of seeing my child grow up and spend time with him but it really isn't what everyone thinks.......swings and roundabouts spring to mind. So please don't judge all school workers with the same brush.
So your not a teacher, and you have options, not happy get another job.... Simple.

Diabolical behaviour from this lot again, double standards and lies, take you child out of school form a few days without authority and you in trouble, because it effects their learning etc, etc...yet the unions think they can do it when they want.

Unions should be banned,,they are in it for their own wealth, nothing to do with its members, or it would realise, the majority disagrees with strike action, it effects parents badly, and ultimately industrial terrorism will not and can not be allowed to work.
That is my point! I'm not saying I'm not happy.....tell me where I've said I'm not happy???? I'm pointing out that although my union is striking I don't agree, nothing comes of it apart from the council getting my wage! As for getting another job.....how when there isn't any?? I've already said I'm lucky because it's a safe job!!!
Are you sure that UNISON are striking? I work in a school as support and previously we have had to go into work when teachers are on strike as UNISON have not supported this.
Who knows? It's quotes unison as striking, but we've not even been balloted yet.
Unison are just starting to Ballot ALL it's members, me and my colleagues are all voting YES for strike action, we are not prepared to accept the pay freezes we see ourselves take year on year, and before anyone comments 1% is not a real pay rise in todays economic climate. The person who said in previous comments - 'Well get out of Unison membership of the union is not compulsory, nor is supporting their views.

Unison are supposed to represent workers in the role which I perform.

I am not in it, I am no worse of for it...

I would go as far as to say I'm nearly £15 a month better off for it.' It's people like you that are the problem, not in a union! NO but I bet you've never rejected any pay rises fought for on the backs of Union members !! I hope you either do join a union or your colleagues refuse to work with someone who in essence would be a scab.
If you are a Union member be proud it means you are strong and prepared to fight for what is right, not like these people making comments on here who are probably the bosses!! Reading the news bosses wages have gone up ten fold over the years Mp's, executives, bankers and CEO's seeing pay packets going up 11% plus, Head teachers are now seeing salaries in excess of 70k a year, academies 100k a year - don't preach on her to people earning 15K that they're lucky to have a job !!!
[quote][p][bold]Freddie09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lanchester[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddie09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddie09[/bold] wrote: I work in a school as support. Everyone thinks we're on a cushy number but we're not. We're very low paid (thousands below the £21k that everyone seems to think we get), and despite what people think we go 7 weeks unpaid each year, so whilst you all think we have great holidays, actually we only get the same amount as everyone else. We've not had a decent payrise in the 10yrs I've worked at a school. Then on top of that we can only take our holidays during summer/half terms etc therefore we always have to pay full whack meaning we can never afford a holiday unlike industry where you can get cheap deals. Yes I agree it's a safe job, yes I've enjoyed the benefit of seeing my child grow up and spend time with him but it really isn't what everyone thinks.......swings and roundabouts spring to mind. So please don't judge all school workers with the same brush.[/p][/quote]So your not a teacher, and you have options, not happy get another job.... Simple. Diabolical behaviour from this lot again, double standards and lies, take you child out of school form a few days without authority and you in trouble, because it effects their learning etc, etc...yet the unions think they can do it when they want. Unions should be banned,,they are in it for their own wealth, nothing to do with its members, or it would realise, the majority disagrees with strike action, it effects parents badly, and ultimately industrial terrorism will not and can not be allowed to work.[/p][/quote]That is my point! I'm not saying I'm not happy.....tell me where I've said I'm not happy???? I'm pointing out that although my union is striking I don't agree, nothing comes of it apart from the council getting my wage! As for getting another job.....how when there isn't any?? I've already said I'm lucky because it's a safe job!!![/p][/quote]Are you sure that UNISON are striking? I work in a school as support and previously we have had to go into work when teachers are on strike as UNISON have not supported this.[/p][/quote]Who knows? It's quotes unison as striking, but we've not even been balloted yet.[/p][/quote]Unison are just starting to Ballot ALL it's members, me and my colleagues are all voting YES for strike action, we are not prepared to accept the pay freezes we see ourselves take year on year, and before anyone comments 1% is not a real pay rise in todays economic climate. The person who said in previous comments - 'Well get out of Unison membership of the union is not compulsory, nor is supporting their views. Unison are supposed to represent workers in the role which I perform. I am not in it, I am no worse of for it... I would go as far as to say I'm nearly £15 a month better off for it.' It's people like you that are the problem, not in a union! NO but I bet you've never rejected any pay rises fought for on the backs of Union members !! I hope you either do join a union or your colleagues refuse to work with someone who in essence would be a scab. If you are a Union member be proud it means you are strong and prepared to fight for what is right, not like these people making comments on here who are probably the bosses!! Reading the news bosses wages have gone up ten fold over the years Mp's, executives, bankers and CEO's seeing pay packets going up 11% plus, Head teachers are now seeing salaries in excess of 70k a year, academies 100k a year - don't preach on her to people earning 15K that they're lucky to have a job !!! toryhater
  • Score: 4

9:00am Tue 27 May 14

Freddie09 says...

toryhater wrote:
Freddie09 wrote:
Lanchester wrote:
Freddie09 wrote:
JustBecause wrote:
Freddie09 wrote:
I work in a school as support. Everyone thinks we're on a cushy number but we're not. We're very low paid (thousands below the £21k that everyone seems to think we get), and despite what people think we go 7 weeks unpaid each year, so whilst you all think we have great holidays, actually we only get the same amount as everyone else. We've not had a decent payrise in the 10yrs I've worked at a school. Then on top of that we can only take our holidays during summer/half terms etc therefore we always have to pay full whack meaning we can never afford a holiday unlike industry where you can get cheap deals. Yes I agree it's a safe job, yes I've enjoyed the benefit of seeing my child grow up and spend time with him but it really isn't what everyone thinks.......swings and roundabouts spring to mind. So please don't judge all school workers with the same brush.
So your not a teacher, and you have options, not happy get another job.... Simple.

Diabolical behaviour from this lot again, double standards and lies, take you child out of school form a few days without authority and you in trouble, because it effects their learning etc, etc...yet the unions think they can do it when they want.

Unions should be banned,,they are in it for their own wealth, nothing to do with its members, or it would realise, the majority disagrees with strike action, it effects parents badly, and ultimately industrial terrorism will not and can not be allowed to work.
That is my point! I'm not saying I'm not happy.....tell me where I've said I'm not happy???? I'm pointing out that although my union is striking I don't agree, nothing comes of it apart from the council getting my wage! As for getting another job.....how when there isn't any?? I've already said I'm lucky because it's a safe job!!!
Are you sure that UNISON are striking? I work in a school as support and previously we have had to go into work when teachers are on strike as UNISON have not supported this.
Who knows? It's quotes unison as striking, but we've not even been balloted yet.
Unison are just starting to Ballot ALL it's members, me and my colleagues are all voting YES for strike action, we are not prepared to accept the pay freezes we see ourselves take year on year, and before anyone comments 1% is not a real pay rise in todays economic climate. The person who said in previous comments - 'Well get out of Unison membership of the union is not compulsory, nor is supporting their views.

Unison are supposed to represent workers in the role which I perform.

I am not in it, I am no worse of for it...

I would go as far as to say I'm nearly £15 a month better off for it.' It's people like you that are the problem, not in a union! NO but I bet you've never rejected any pay rises fought for on the backs of Union members !! I hope you either do join a union or your colleagues refuse to work with someone who in essence would be a scab.
If you are a Union member be proud it means you are strong and prepared to fight for what is right, not like these people making comments on here who are probably the bosses!! Reading the news bosses wages have gone up ten fold over the years Mp's, executives, bankers and CEO's seeing pay packets going up 11% plus, Head teachers are now seeing salaries in excess of 70k a year, academies 100k a year - don't preach on her to people earning 15K that they're lucky to have a job !!!
I have been on strike 4/5 times with unison and nothing has come of it! All that happens is unison get my monthly fee and the council get my wages???? True????

I'm merely in a union incase, as I said, i get accused of anything and need a representative! I don't hold any hope that they can get me a payrise because they never have and never will!!
[quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddie09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lanchester[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddie09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddie09[/bold] wrote: I work in a school as support. Everyone thinks we're on a cushy number but we're not. We're very low paid (thousands below the £21k that everyone seems to think we get), and despite what people think we go 7 weeks unpaid each year, so whilst you all think we have great holidays, actually we only get the same amount as everyone else. We've not had a decent payrise in the 10yrs I've worked at a school. Then on top of that we can only take our holidays during summer/half terms etc therefore we always have to pay full whack meaning we can never afford a holiday unlike industry where you can get cheap deals. Yes I agree it's a safe job, yes I've enjoyed the benefit of seeing my child grow up and spend time with him but it really isn't what everyone thinks.......swings and roundabouts spring to mind. So please don't judge all school workers with the same brush.[/p][/quote]So your not a teacher, and you have options, not happy get another job.... Simple. Diabolical behaviour from this lot again, double standards and lies, take you child out of school form a few days without authority and you in trouble, because it effects their learning etc, etc...yet the unions think they can do it when they want. Unions should be banned,,they are in it for their own wealth, nothing to do with its members, or it would realise, the majority disagrees with strike action, it effects parents badly, and ultimately industrial terrorism will not and can not be allowed to work.[/p][/quote]That is my point! I'm not saying I'm not happy.....tell me where I've said I'm not happy???? I'm pointing out that although my union is striking I don't agree, nothing comes of it apart from the council getting my wage! As for getting another job.....how when there isn't any?? I've already said I'm lucky because it's a safe job!!![/p][/quote]Are you sure that UNISON are striking? I work in a school as support and previously we have had to go into work when teachers are on strike as UNISON have not supported this.[/p][/quote]Who knows? It's quotes unison as striking, but we've not even been balloted yet.[/p][/quote]Unison are just starting to Ballot ALL it's members, me and my colleagues are all voting YES for strike action, we are not prepared to accept the pay freezes we see ourselves take year on year, and before anyone comments 1% is not a real pay rise in todays economic climate. The person who said in previous comments - 'Well get out of Unison membership of the union is not compulsory, nor is supporting their views. Unison are supposed to represent workers in the role which I perform. I am not in it, I am no worse of for it... I would go as far as to say I'm nearly £15 a month better off for it.' It's people like you that are the problem, not in a union! NO but I bet you've never rejected any pay rises fought for on the backs of Union members !! I hope you either do join a union or your colleagues refuse to work with someone who in essence would be a scab. If you are a Union member be proud it means you are strong and prepared to fight for what is right, not like these people making comments on here who are probably the bosses!! Reading the news bosses wages have gone up ten fold over the years Mp's, executives, bankers and CEO's seeing pay packets going up 11% plus, Head teachers are now seeing salaries in excess of 70k a year, academies 100k a year - don't preach on her to people earning 15K that they're lucky to have a job !!![/p][/quote]I have been on strike 4/5 times with unison and nothing has come of it! All that happens is unison get my monthly fee and the council get my wages???? True???? I'm merely in a union incase, as I said, i get accused of anything and need a representative! I don't hold any hope that they can get me a payrise because they never have and never will!! Freddie09
  • Score: 1

1:35pm Tue 27 May 14

workingmum+3 says...

I would just like to remind everybody on here that teachers do not make the rules about fining parents for taking their children out of school, the government do! Teachers do not get paid when they are on strike so effectively we are fined! Teachers do not decide the holiday pattern or how much holiday time a school gets the local authority do.
The majority of teachers do not agree with parents getting fined for taking their children out of school, but we do not make the rules.
As for 'stop moaning and go and do some work' I would like to point out that many of my colleagues work 7:30-5.30 most days plus extra work at home, yes we get the holidays but again not our decision.
If you want teachers' holidays re-train and become a teacher- stop teacher bashing!
Teachers also have to pay the very expensive holiday prices and no we are not allowed to take holidays during in term time so we also have no choice. We also have to pay for expensive childcare in term time for before and afterschool clubs, child minders etc and those teachers whose children are in a different borough also have to pay for childcare in the holidays too and they often have a different holiday pattern.
Get your facts right before you comment!
I would just like to remind everybody on here that teachers do not make the rules about fining parents for taking their children out of school, the government do! Teachers do not get paid when they are on strike so effectively we are fined! Teachers do not decide the holiday pattern or how much holiday time a school gets the local authority do. The majority of teachers do not agree with parents getting fined for taking their children out of school, but we do not make the rules. As for 'stop moaning and go and do some work' I would like to point out that many of my colleagues work 7:30-5.30 most days plus extra work at home, yes we get the holidays but again not our decision. If you want teachers' holidays re-train and become a teacher- stop teacher bashing! Teachers also have to pay the very expensive holiday prices and no we are not allowed to take holidays during in term time so we also have no choice. We also have to pay for expensive childcare in term time for before and afterschool clubs, child minders etc and those teachers whose children are in a different borough also have to pay for childcare in the holidays too and they often have a different holiday pattern. Get your facts right before you comment! workingmum+3
  • Score: 18

2:40pm Tue 27 May 14

BillyMcbilly says...

I was once told by a teacher, that teaching was a vocation, not a job. Like other comments, if you don't like it join the real world on 20 - 25 days holiday a year
I was once told by a teacher, that teaching was a vocation, not a job. Like other comments, if you don't like it join the real world on 20 - 25 days holiday a year BillyMcbilly
  • Score: -6

6:33pm Tue 27 May 14

atlas123 says...


I hope you either do join a union or your colleagues refuse to work with someone who in essence would be a scab.


More chance of hell freezing over than me joining a Union.

I am a big boy and stand on my own two feet.

In my previous job I felt a payrise was in order, went to the company owner, we negotiated and reached an agreement amicably.

A few years later i felt that another raise was in order to take account of the cost of living etc, my working longer hours, extra responsibility. He didnt agree... I reitterated my point, he reitterated his. A few months later I started my new job. (He then is forced to pay someone else something like what I wanted to do the job, along with the cost of finding and training them up etc). I was later approached to return on the terms i requested. Market forces in action.

I have gone into work twice when Unison have had our lot of strike, 2-3 people didnt come in, we who went in were not called scabs, were not treated differently, we respected the strikers point, they mine.....

Why/How?..... Well I'd like to think because we are adults.

Fighting, scuffling and name calling on picket lines serves nobody, least of all your cause.


Two years later nothing has changed, they are two days pay worse off along with 2 years subs thus I make it that I am £500 better off.

IIRC a days lost wages equates to 0.5% annual pay, so every two days you strike you lose that 1% pay rise! (fag packet calculations)
[quote] I hope you either do join a union or your colleagues refuse to work with someone who in essence would be a scab. [/quote] More chance of hell freezing over than me joining a Union. I am a big boy and stand on my own two feet. In my previous job I felt a payrise was in order, went to the company owner, we negotiated and reached an agreement amicably. A few years later i felt that another raise was in order to take account of the cost of living etc, my working longer hours, extra responsibility. He didnt agree... I reitterated my point, he reitterated his. A few months later I started my new job. (He then is forced to pay someone else something like what I wanted to do the job, along with the cost of finding and training them up etc). I was later approached to return on the terms i requested. Market forces in action. I have gone into work twice when Unison have had our lot of strike, 2-3 people didnt come in, we who went in were not called scabs, were not treated differently, we respected the strikers point, they mine..... Why/How?..... Well I'd like to think because we are adults. Fighting, scuffling and name calling on picket lines serves nobody, least of all your cause. Two years later nothing has changed, they are two days pay worse off along with 2 years subs thus I make it that I am £500 better off. IIRC a days lost wages equates to 0.5% annual pay, so every two days you strike you lose that 1% pay rise! (fag packet calculations) atlas123
  • Score: -2

9:21pm Tue 27 May 14

lassogaia says...

There's an awful lot of anti-teacher rhetoric on here tonight. I'm not quite sure whether those who like to make derogatory remarks towards those in the profession actually are aware of the full circumstances, or even what teaching is actually about.
60-70 hours per week during term time. 30 hours per week during most half terms. Ridiculously high targets which, once reached, are branded as 'too easy' by the government.
The average career lifespan of a teacher is 5 years. Forget about a private life. Not seeing your own children during the week as you have to leave before they are up and get home after they have gone to bed.
The constant need to be better, do better and if you fall at 0.05% below your target then you have FAILED, even though it's not within your control that Little Johnny was beaten to a pulp the night before his exam by his stepdad or that Little Jenny is anorexic or that Little Liam and Lucy's parents allow them to play on their X Box until 2am.
Because kids aren't actually sales figures. Nor are they commodities. You can't control what happens or doesn't happen outside of school. They are not units on a spreadsheet, even though the government will reduce them to that for their 'targets'.
Teachers love working with young people and they do realise the amount of hard work that they have to do but what Gove et al are trying to do at the moment is beat these folk with any metaphorical stick they can get their hands on.
Before you criticise why these people are going on strike, try doing it for a few weeks. Good teachers are leaving the profession in droves and that is WRONG.
So good on them for sticking up for themselves.
There's an awful lot of anti-teacher rhetoric on here tonight. I'm not quite sure whether those who like to make derogatory remarks towards those in the profession actually are aware of the full circumstances, or even what teaching is actually about. 60-70 hours per week during term time. 30 hours per week during most half terms. Ridiculously high targets which, once reached, are branded as 'too easy' by the government. The average career lifespan of a teacher is 5 years. Forget about a private life. Not seeing your own children during the week as you have to leave before they are up and get home after they have gone to bed. The constant need to be better, do better and if you fall at 0.05% below your target then you have FAILED, even though it's not within your control that Little Johnny was beaten to a pulp the night before his exam by his stepdad or that Little Jenny is anorexic or that Little Liam and Lucy's parents allow them to play on their X Box until 2am. Because kids aren't actually sales figures. Nor are they commodities. You can't control what happens or doesn't happen outside of school. They are not units on a spreadsheet, even though the government will reduce them to that for their 'targets'. Teachers love working with young people and they do realise the amount of hard work that they have to do but what Gove et al are trying to do at the moment is beat these folk with any metaphorical stick they can get their hands on. Before you criticise why these people are going on strike, try doing it for a few weeks. Good teachers are leaving the profession in droves and that is WRONG. So good on them for sticking up for themselves. lassogaia
  • Score: 9

7:48am Wed 28 May 14

toryhater says...

atlas123 wrote:

I hope you either do join a union or your colleagues refuse to work with someone who in essence would be a scab.


More chance of hell freezing over than me joining a Union.

I am a big boy and stand on my own two feet.

In my previous job I felt a payrise was in order, went to the company owner, we negotiated and reached an agreement amicably.

A few years later i felt that another raise was in order to take account of the cost of living etc, my working longer hours, extra responsibility. He didnt agree... I reitterated my point, he reitterated his. A few months later I started my new job. (He then is forced to pay someone else something like what I wanted to do the job, along with the cost of finding and training them up etc). I was later approached to return on the terms i requested. Market forces in action.

I have gone into work twice when Unison have had our lot of strike, 2-3 people didnt come in, we who went in were not called scabs, were not treated differently, we respected the strikers point, they mine.....

Why/How?..... Well I'd like to think because we are adults.

Fighting, scuffling and name calling on picket lines serves nobody, least of all your cause.


Two years later nothing has changed, they are two days pay worse off along with 2 years subs thus I make it that I am £500 better off.

IIRC a days lost wages equates to 0.5% annual pay, so every two days you strike you lose that 1% pay rise! (fag packet calculations)
Strange how as an adult you look at the things the union didn't get for you locally, but nothing about what they have done, and what your employment would look like if there was no union, sounds more like a little child spitting out the dummy!! I'm a worker and a union member and a rep, I am 100% proud to be in unison. That is credit to the membership, who in the main are a collective bunch who stick together there will always be people like you that winge and whine, unions are there membership, so maybe if you showed a bit more backbone, became a union member and not a customer you'd see even better results doh!! And if your in a school god help the kids what you have influence on, about self and not the collective, that's the demise of society, join ATL they want members who want an insurance company,
[quote][p][bold]atlas123[/bold] wrote: [quote] I hope you either do join a union or your colleagues refuse to work with someone who in essence would be a scab. [/quote] More chance of hell freezing over than me joining a Union. I am a big boy and stand on my own two feet. In my previous job I felt a payrise was in order, went to the company owner, we negotiated and reached an agreement amicably. A few years later i felt that another raise was in order to take account of the cost of living etc, my working longer hours, extra responsibility. He didnt agree... I reitterated my point, he reitterated his. A few months later I started my new job. (He then is forced to pay someone else something like what I wanted to do the job, along with the cost of finding and training them up etc). I was later approached to return on the terms i requested. Market forces in action. I have gone into work twice when Unison have had our lot of strike, 2-3 people didnt come in, we who went in were not called scabs, were not treated differently, we respected the strikers point, they mine..... Why/How?..... Well I'd like to think because we are adults. Fighting, scuffling and name calling on picket lines serves nobody, least of all your cause. Two years later nothing has changed, they are two days pay worse off along with 2 years subs thus I make it that I am £500 better off. IIRC a days lost wages equates to 0.5% annual pay, so every two days you strike you lose that 1% pay rise! (fag packet calculations)[/p][/quote]Strange how as an adult you look at the things the union didn't get for you locally, but nothing about what they have done, and what your employment would look like if there was no union, sounds more like a little child spitting out the dummy!! I'm a worker and a union member and a rep, I am 100% proud to be in unison. That is credit to the membership, who in the main are a collective bunch who stick together there will always be people like you that winge and whine, unions are there membership, so maybe if you showed a bit more backbone, became a union member and not a customer you'd see even better results doh!! And if your in a school god help the kids what you have influence on, about self and not the collective, that's the demise of society, join ATL they want members who want an insurance company, toryhater
  • Score: 0

7:53am Wed 28 May 14

toryhater says...

toryhater wrote:
atlas123 wrote:

I hope you either do join a union or your colleagues refuse to work with someone who in essence would be a scab.


More chance of hell freezing over than me joining a Union.

I am a big boy and stand on my own two feet.

In my previous job I felt a payrise was in order, went to the company owner, we negotiated and reached an agreement amicably.

A few years later i felt that another raise was in order to take account of the cost of living etc, my working longer hours, extra responsibility. He didnt agree... I reitterated my point, he reitterated his. A few months later I started my new job. (He then is forced to pay someone else something like what I wanted to do the job, along with the cost of finding and training them up etc). I was later approached to return on the terms i requested. Market forces in action.

I have gone into work twice when Unison have had our lot of strike, 2-3 people didnt come in, we who went in were not called scabs, were not treated differently, we respected the strikers point, they mine.....

Why/How?..... Well I'd like to think because we are adults.

Fighting, scuffling and name calling on picket lines serves nobody, least of all your cause.


Two years later nothing has changed, they are two days pay worse off along with 2 years subs thus I make it that I am £500 better off.

IIRC a days lost wages equates to 0.5% annual pay, so every two days you strike you lose that 1% pay rise! (fag packet calculations)
Strange how as an adult you look at the things the union didn't get for you locally, but nothing about what they have done, and what your employment would look like if there was no union, sounds more like a little child spitting out the dummy!! I'm a worker and a union member and a rep, I am 100% proud to be in unison. That is credit to the membership, who in the main are a collective bunch who stick together there will always be people like you that winge and whine, unions are there membership, so maybe if you showed a bit more backbone, became a union member and not a customer you'd see even better results doh!! And if your in a school god help the kids what you have influence on, about self and not the collective, that's the demise of society, join ATL they want members who want an insurance company,
Ahhhh just re read your comment your not a union person, well you'd never reject when the unions negotiate for you,
[quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]atlas123[/bold] wrote: [quote] I hope you either do join a union or your colleagues refuse to work with someone who in essence would be a scab. [/quote] More chance of hell freezing over than me joining a Union. I am a big boy and stand on my own two feet. In my previous job I felt a payrise was in order, went to the company owner, we negotiated and reached an agreement amicably. A few years later i felt that another raise was in order to take account of the cost of living etc, my working longer hours, extra responsibility. He didnt agree... I reitterated my point, he reitterated his. A few months later I started my new job. (He then is forced to pay someone else something like what I wanted to do the job, along with the cost of finding and training them up etc). I was later approached to return on the terms i requested. Market forces in action. I have gone into work twice when Unison have had our lot of strike, 2-3 people didnt come in, we who went in were not called scabs, were not treated differently, we respected the strikers point, they mine..... Why/How?..... Well I'd like to think because we are adults. Fighting, scuffling and name calling on picket lines serves nobody, least of all your cause. Two years later nothing has changed, they are two days pay worse off along with 2 years subs thus I make it that I am £500 better off. IIRC a days lost wages equates to 0.5% annual pay, so every two days you strike you lose that 1% pay rise! (fag packet calculations)[/p][/quote]Strange how as an adult you look at the things the union didn't get for you locally, but nothing about what they have done, and what your employment would look like if there was no union, sounds more like a little child spitting out the dummy!! I'm a worker and a union member and a rep, I am 100% proud to be in unison. That is credit to the membership, who in the main are a collective bunch who stick together there will always be people like you that winge and whine, unions are there membership, so maybe if you showed a bit more backbone, became a union member and not a customer you'd see even better results doh!! And if your in a school god help the kids what you have influence on, about self and not the collective, that's the demise of society, join ATL they want members who want an insurance company,[/p][/quote]Ahhhh just re read your comment your not a union person, well you'd never reject when the unions negotiate for you, toryhater
  • Score: 0

12:55pm Fri 30 May 14

owencoyle99 says...

atlas123 wrote:
My parents work 40 hour weeks, 48 weeks a year and get paid £15k a year

They have had pay rises for the last 10yrs as per the NMW, their employer keeps them a fraction above the NMW.

Do they bleat about it? No!

Can they retire earlier that than nation retirement age....No!

Does their employer contribute to the their pension...No!

Do they go on strike causing chaos for their customers... No!

My father did leave the job and got another paying slightly more, but that company closed down and he was lucky enough to be taken back by the previous employer!

They have however, bought their house, pay for their prescriptions, pay tax and NI, and continue to get up and go to work.

Dont give my parents the bullshine about teachers, police, fire being hard done by! No stop moaning and go and do some work.


What makes you think you deserve a payrise?
Did they have the ability to go to University?
Could they afford to pay £30000 plus to go to University?

could they teach some of todays kids ?
[quote][p][bold]atlas123[/bold] wrote: My parents work 40 hour weeks, 48 weeks a year and get paid £15k a year They have had pay rises for the last 10yrs as per the NMW, their employer keeps them a fraction above the NMW. Do they bleat about it? No! Can they retire earlier that than nation retirement age....No! Does their employer contribute to the their pension...No! Do they go on strike causing chaos for their customers... No! My father did leave the job and got another paying slightly more, but that company closed down and he was lucky enough to be taken back by the previous employer! They have however, bought their house, pay for their prescriptions, pay tax and NI, and continue to get up and go to work. Dont give my parents the bullshine about teachers, police, fire being hard done by! No stop moaning and go and do some work. What makes you think you deserve a payrise?[/p][/quote]Did they have the ability to go to University? Could they afford to pay £30000 plus to go to University? could they teach some of todays kids ? owencoyle99
  • Score: 2

12:58pm Fri 30 May 14

owencoyle99 says...

Thatissowrong wrote:
Shame on them. Greed and self-interest prevail. No wonder they are held in contempt. Years ago they were respected, not now.
If you had signed a contract regarding your pension which was a legal contract and the a few years later it was changed
would you accept it ???
[quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: Shame on them. Greed and self-interest prevail. No wonder they are held in contempt. Years ago they were respected, not now.[/p][/quote]If you had signed a contract regarding your pension which was a legal contract and the a few years later it was changed would you accept it ??? owencoyle99
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8:37pm Fri 30 May 14

Puffin-Billy says...

Our teachers and our public services should be defended by the public.

If teachers refused to take part in extra-mural and out - of - hours activities with children and parents, the education system would collapse.

Michael Gove has already attempted to destroy and to de-regulate teachers' pay and working conditions.

The privatisation of our schools in the form of academies and so-called "free" schools which is leading to ghettoisation must be stopped.

Ghettoisation, not only on the grounds of race and religion, but on the grounds of religion, ethnicity, sexuality or social / economic status.

It's a disgrace that any educational establishment which receives money from the tax payer should be able to select pupils
on the grounds of religion, ethnicity, sexuality or social / economic status.

It's also a disgrace that at least one school in Bolton is being sponsored by a pharmaceutical company - an echo of what is going on in the destruction of our NHS.

I believe that teaching about religion has an important role to play in school and in wider society.

In schools which are funded either in part, or wholly by the taxpayer, Comparative Religious studies.and philosophy should be taught, but not the teaching of individual religions.

The teaching of all subjects in those schools should be inspected, and all teachers, no matter what their religion, should be fully accountable to the taxpaying public.
Our teachers and our public services should be defended by the public. If teachers refused to take part in extra-mural and out - of - hours activities with children and parents, the education system would collapse. Michael Gove has already attempted to destroy and to de-regulate teachers' pay and working conditions. The privatisation of our schools in the form of academies and so-called "free" schools which is leading to ghettoisation must be stopped. Ghettoisation, not only on the grounds of race and religion, but on the grounds of religion, ethnicity, sexuality or social / economic status. It's a disgrace that any educational establishment which receives money from the tax payer should be able to select pupils on the grounds of religion, ethnicity, sexuality or social / economic status. It's also a disgrace that at least one school in Bolton is being sponsored by a pharmaceutical company - an echo of what is going on in the destruction of our NHS. I believe that teaching about religion has an important role to play in school and in wider society. In schools which are funded either in part, or wholly by the taxpayer, Comparative Religious studies.and philosophy should be taught, but not the teaching of individual religions. The teaching of all subjects in those schools should be inspected, and all teachers, no matter what their religion, should be fully accountable to the taxpaying public. Puffin-Billy
  • Score: 2

6:48pm Sat 31 May 14

fay clarke says...

If you do not like your job then find something else. Nobody is forcing you to be a teacher. Although with all the holidays and time off for strikes teachers are hardly ever at school. When I was at school we never had strikes. I wish I was at school now with all the time off they have.
If you do not like your job then find something else. Nobody is forcing you to be a teacher. Although with all the holidays and time off for strikes teachers are hardly ever at school. When I was at school we never had strikes. I wish I was at school now with all the time off they have. fay clarke
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