Junior football team told: 'Feel free to leave league' after exam revision clash row

The Bolton News: Westhoughton Rangers Westhoughton Rangers

A ROW has broken out between a football league and one of its junior teams — after exam revision classes threatened to ruin Westhoughton Rangers’ title challenge.

Rangers’ under-16s feared they would be unable to put out a full team to play a league decider and a cup final last week, as several of their players were told they needed to concentrate on their studies.

But after the Bolton Bury & District Football League (BBDFL) refused to reschedule the game, teachers relented and changed the time of the revision sessions.

The team went on to win the league and the cup — but its row with BBDFL has led to officials telling Rangers they can leave the league if they are not happy with the way it is run.

Warren Barlow, chairman of the BBDFL, said: “We would all like to put on record our view that if Westhoughton Rangers feel this strongly about the BBDFL, please do not enter any teams in this league next season.

“If Westhoughton think we are a disgrace, they are welcome to leave and we will assist them in moving on.

“They are not being kicked out of the league, but I would expect an apology for their comments.

“If they don’t want to play in this league, there are other leagues in Bury, Wigan and Lancashire.

“Whatever happens, I hope we can all move on from this and put it to bed.”

Rangers manager Mark Hester said: “It’s a bit of a shame it has come to this, but I wouldn’t take back anything I’ve said or done.

“Hopefully, we can talk this over like grown men because, at the end of the day, it’s the kids it affects more than anyone.

“I think this whole thing has been blown out of proportion and I want it to be resolved as quickly as possible.”

Mr Hester said he would hold talks with the BBDFL and that he hoped to have the matter resolved within a couple of weeks.

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12:14pm Wed 28 May 14

DogLover66 says...

Dear oh dear.
Dear oh dear. DogLover66
  • Score: 9

1:00pm Wed 28 May 14

cliff4treasurer says...

I think Warren Barlow needs to get off his high horse and learn some diplomatic skills.
If he is the chairman of anything he will find diplomacy is usually a prerequisite for the post and especially so in this case where the only ones affected are the children.
He sounds more like a tory MP lecturing the working classes than the chairman of an organisation promoting sport for young people.
I think Warren Barlow needs to get off his high horse and learn some diplomatic skills. If he is the chairman of anything he will find diplomacy is usually a prerequisite for the post and especially so in this case where the only ones affected are the children. He sounds more like a tory MP lecturing the working classes than the chairman of an organisation promoting sport for young people. cliff4treasurer
  • Score: 27

1:48pm Wed 28 May 14

craigthehamster says...

Sorry Warren I thought you were supposed to be leaving it, you seem to be doing your up most to exasperate the situation, once again look at the problem this team had, and concentrate on that rather than being a little child. Why don't you try being the bigger person
Sorry Warren I thought you were supposed to be leaving it, you seem to be doing your up most to exasperate the situation, once again look at the problem this team had, and concentrate on that rather than being a little child. Why don't you try being the bigger person craigthehamster
  • Score: 21

2:10pm Wed 28 May 14

rocketman1 says...

I think I am right in thinking that its the team that has had a problem with the league, as I have never seen a comment from the club. so I think its Warren Barlow that needs to get his facts straight. Once again Warren, All you are doing is focusing on the wrong issue here. You seem like a child in a playground argument. Grow up and address the issue
I think I am right in thinking that its the team that has had a problem with the league, as I have never seen a comment from the club. so I think its Warren Barlow that needs to get his facts straight. Once again Warren, All you are doing is focusing on the wrong issue here. You seem like a child in a playground argument. Grow up and address the issue rocketman1
  • Score: 19

2:11pm Wed 28 May 14

rnorris says...

I ran a team for a number of years in the 80s and had the very same problems. The league at that time was run by old men in flat caps who thought they were more important than the players......Appears nothings changed.......When will they learn ?
I ran a team for a number of years in the 80s and had the very same problems. The league at that time was run by old men in flat caps who thought they were more important than the players......Appears nothings changed.......When will they learn ? rnorris
  • Score: 18

2:23pm Wed 28 May 14

aydeepee says...

Having coached a team for several years within the BBDJFL, I am absolutely not surprised with the response this team has received.
There are individuals within the league that take any challenge of protocol, process, guideline or rule almost as a personal attack and responses are not too dissimilar from the one this team had. It gets to the point where people just dont question anything to prevent possible backlash.
I know the team in question and they are one of the most compliant and respectful teams out there and have a great set up - its not like they are constantly defying the rules etc. I have seen incredibly direct and confrontational pieces put on the league website to address anything that they dont agree with - at times being very provocative and aggressive in tone.
I suggest that the league, and in particular Warren Barlow, start empathising more, 'talking with' and not 'talking at' and adopt common sense when appropriate to ensure the players dont suffer. I would also suggest that they take the view that all feedback is useful instead of demanding apologies and forever taking the stance 'like it or leave it' - no successful organisation can be effective if it doesnt take a step back and appreciate that they are not always right.
One of the key things drummed into any grass roots junior coach is that its about the children and their development/enjoymen
t - not us. That should apply to anyone involved in grass roots football.
The one word that comes to mind is 'typical'!
Having coached a team for several years within the BBDJFL, I am absolutely not surprised with the response this team has received. There are individuals within the league that take any challenge of protocol, process, guideline or rule almost as a personal attack and responses are not too dissimilar from the one this team had. It gets to the point where people just dont question anything to prevent possible backlash. I know the team in question and they are one of the most compliant and respectful teams out there and have a great set up - its not like they are constantly defying the rules etc. I have seen incredibly direct and confrontational pieces put on the league website to address anything that they dont agree with - at times being very provocative and aggressive in tone. I suggest that the league, and in particular Warren Barlow, start empathising more, 'talking with' and not 'talking at' and adopt common sense when appropriate to ensure the players dont suffer. I would also suggest that they take the view that all feedback is useful instead of demanding apologies and forever taking the stance 'like it or leave it' - no successful organisation can be effective if it doesnt take a step back and appreciate that they are not always right. One of the key things drummed into any grass roots junior coach is that its about the children and their development/enjoymen t - not us. That should apply to anyone involved in grass roots football. The one word that comes to mind is 'typical'! aydeepee
  • Score: 31

2:24pm Wed 28 May 14

ghijkl says...

About time Warren Barlow stepped down. My sons teams had run in's over bits of nothings over the past few years and each time he got on his soap box and didn't take common sense into consideration. The only people who lose out in the end are the kids.
About time Warren Barlow stepped down. My sons teams had run in's over bits of nothings over the past few years and each time he got on his soap box and didn't take common sense into consideration. The only people who lose out in the end are the kids. ghijkl
  • Score: 24

3:05pm Wed 28 May 14

Trouthunter says...

To quote Mr. Barlow from his posts in the Grassroots Football Group Facebook page and on his twitter site:

"Really disappointed to have to post an update on this subject but some people just can't move on"

Why are the club being demanded to apologise for their comments publicised by the paper. Warren Barlow has been banding snipes on public sites like twitter and Facebook about the club and their situation since the playoff was over approx 3 weeks ago and then he leaves an official public statement on BBDFL site last week demanding an apology from the club before the league will change their mind, when the club have kept silent all through the aftermath from the finish of the playoff. Then WB admits in comments on the last news article that his statement was taken down from BBDFL without his knowledge. Does that not suggest that someone in the league does not agree with what he is saying or doing and possibly wants to protect the league from further negative publicity?

Give someone enough rope...?
To quote Mr. Barlow from his posts in the Grassroots Football Group Facebook page and on his twitter site: "Really disappointed to have to post an update on this subject but some people just can't move on" Why are the club being demanded to apologise for their comments publicised by the paper. Warren Barlow has been banding snipes on public sites like twitter and Facebook about the club and their situation since the playoff was over approx 3 weeks ago and then he leaves an official public statement on BBDFL site last week demanding an apology from the club before the league will change their mind, when the club have kept silent all through the aftermath from the finish of the playoff. Then WB admits in comments on the last news article that his statement was taken down from BBDFL without his knowledge. Does that not suggest that someone in the league does not agree with what he is saying or doing and possibly wants to protect the league from further negative publicity? Give someone enough rope...? Trouthunter
  • Score: 14

3:23pm Wed 28 May 14

aydeepee says...

Trouthunter wrote:
To quote Mr. Barlow from his posts in the Grassroots Football Group Facebook page and on his twitter site:

"Really disappointed to have to post an update on this subject but some people just can't move on"

Why are the club being demanded to apologise for their comments publicised by the paper. Warren Barlow has been banding snipes on public sites like twitter and Facebook about the club and their situation since the playoff was over approx 3 weeks ago and then he leaves an official public statement on BBDFL site last week demanding an apology from the club before the league will change their mind, when the club have kept silent all through the aftermath from the finish of the playoff. Then WB admits in comments on the last news article that his statement was taken down from BBDFL without his knowledge. Does that not suggest that someone in the league does not agree with what he is saying or doing and possibly wants to protect the league from further negative publicity?

Give someone enough rope...?
The utilisation of the league website to settle scores, gain one upmanship, target and tackle issues is a common trait within the BBDJFL - and it is done without a clear right to reply in the same format and audience. The sad and embarassing thing is that this is not the first time - nor will it be the last.
Look up the word 'autocratic' and it is a decent description.
[quote][p][bold]Trouthunter[/bold] wrote: To quote Mr. Barlow from his posts in the Grassroots Football Group Facebook page and on his twitter site: "Really disappointed to have to post an update on this subject but some people just can't move on" Why are the club being demanded to apologise for their comments publicised by the paper. Warren Barlow has been banding snipes on public sites like twitter and Facebook about the club and their situation since the playoff was over approx 3 weeks ago and then he leaves an official public statement on BBDFL site last week demanding an apology from the club before the league will change their mind, when the club have kept silent all through the aftermath from the finish of the playoff. Then WB admits in comments on the last news article that his statement was taken down from BBDFL without his knowledge. Does that not suggest that someone in the league does not agree with what he is saying or doing and possibly wants to protect the league from further negative publicity? Give someone enough rope...?[/p][/quote]The utilisation of the league website to settle scores, gain one upmanship, target and tackle issues is a common trait within the BBDJFL - and it is done without a clear right to reply in the same format and audience. The sad and embarassing thing is that this is not the first time - nor will it be the last. Look up the word 'autocratic' and it is a decent description. aydeepee
  • Score: 11

4:03pm Wed 28 May 14

PitMon1948 says...

The start of this news article says a row has broken out between club and league.
It must be a private row as from what I can see its between Mr Barlow and the public whose comments are left on sites like this. I can't see owt anywhere that Westhoughton Rangers have wrote or said in public to argue with the league. I read the last article again over the weekend where Mr Barlow wants "to prove its more damaging to the club" - Whats all that about?.
From what I read a majority of comments are backing Westhoughton for being brave enough to speak out when things got desperate over their playoff and the welfare of the team. Theres more and more comments appearing after these news articles of experiences where the league didnt really help out teams and kids that needed it at that time. If these accounts are to be acurate, is warren right and everyone else is wrong?

I just looked at that facebook page someone mentioned. Theres other league members leaving comments for the public to read about league rules n stuff.
Rules are made to keep good order and smooth running however, life and situations change over time therefore rules sometimes need to be amended and updated to accommodate common sense. Otherwise we'd still have cars driving at 5mph on the road with a bloke walking in front of them waving a red flag !

The U16s league secretary has had a stab on that facebook page too and after somebody suggested that maybe negative comments should be stopped or deleted.The club shold have gone thru him first to sort this out. I hope they did this before going to newspaper and schools for more help.?

Social Media - the new "bane of grassroots football" - like what i did there!
The start of this news article says a row has broken out between club and league. It must be a private row as from what I can see its between Mr Barlow and the public whose comments are left on sites like this. I can't see owt anywhere that Westhoughton Rangers have wrote or said in public to argue with the league. I read the last article again over the weekend where Mr Barlow wants "to prove its more damaging to the club" - Whats all that about?. From what I read a majority of comments are backing Westhoughton for being brave enough to speak out when things got desperate over their playoff and the welfare of the team. Theres more and more comments appearing after these news articles of experiences where the league didnt really help out teams and kids that needed it at that time. If these accounts are to be acurate, is warren right and everyone else is wrong? I just looked at that facebook page someone mentioned. Theres other league members leaving comments for the public to read about league rules n stuff. Rules are made to keep good order and smooth running however, life and situations change over time therefore rules sometimes need to be amended and updated to accommodate common sense. Otherwise we'd still have cars driving at 5mph on the road with a bloke walking in front of them waving a red flag ! The U16s league secretary has had a stab on that facebook page too and after somebody suggested that maybe negative comments should be stopped or deleted.The club shold have gone thru him first to sort this out. I hope they did this before going to newspaper and schools for more help.? Social Media - the new "bane of grassroots football" - like what i did there! PitMon1948
  • Score: 7

4:04pm Wed 28 May 14

davethomasadi says...

Arrogant old **** Barlow, go and play bowls and leave the running of football to people who care about it.
Well done Rangers for winning the double despite the idiot doing his best to stop you.
Arrogant old **** Barlow, go and play bowls and leave the running of football to people who care about it. Well done Rangers for winning the double despite the idiot doing his best to stop you. davethomasadi
  • Score: 14

4:05pm Wed 28 May 14

davethomasadi says...

Arrogant old f art Barlow, go and play bowls and leave the running of football to people who care about it.
Well done Rangers for winning the double despite the idiot doing his best to stop you.
Arrogant old f art Barlow, go and play bowls and leave the running of football to people who care about it. Well done Rangers for winning the double despite the idiot doing his best to stop you. davethomasadi
  • Score: 7

6:16pm Wed 28 May 14

Keeper of the Peace says...

Barlows problem is his God complex
Barlows problem is his God complex Keeper of the Peace
  • Score: 6

6:18pm Wed 28 May 14

sallyupsteps says...

davethomasadi wrote:
Arrogant old **** Barlow, go and play bowls and leave the running of football to people who care about it.
Well done Rangers for winning the double despite the idiot doing his best to stop you.
Why should bowlers have him?
[quote][p][bold]davethomasadi[/bold] wrote: Arrogant old **** Barlow, go and play bowls and leave the running of football to people who care about it. Well done Rangers for winning the double despite the idiot doing his best to stop you.[/p][/quote]Why should bowlers have him? sallyupsteps
  • Score: 6

6:35pm Wed 28 May 14

warrenbarlow says...

OK, you have tempted me out again to comment at this ludicrous, nothing story!!!

Just shows the power of the media!

Neil Robertson from the Bolton News rang me during our Cup Finals on 17th May at the Reebok and asked me a load of questions whilst I was busy doing other things, which have been paraphrased into this report.

He doesn't appear to have quoted my comments about my disappointment at the Bolton News for inflaming a situation!

It is obviously a quiet news week and Neil is trying to make something which isn't!

Do I feel Westhoughton should apologise? "Yes"

Do I feel the committee made the right decision? "Yes"

Should Westhoughton be kicked out "No"

Can Westhoughton stay in the league? "Of course"

Can Westhoughton leave the league? "Of course"

Will we help them leave if they feel the BBDFL is a disgrace to leave? "Of course"

Do I expect them to leave? "No"

Is the Bolton News making a mountain out of a molehill? "Most definitely"

Now for the second time!

My final, final comment on the matter!
OK, you have tempted me out again to comment at this ludicrous, nothing story!!! Just shows the power of the media! Neil Robertson from the Bolton News rang me during our Cup Finals on 17th May at the Reebok and asked me a load of questions whilst I was busy doing other things, which have been paraphrased into this report. He doesn't appear to have quoted my comments about my disappointment at the Bolton News for inflaming a situation! It is obviously a quiet news week and Neil is trying to make something which isn't! Do I feel Westhoughton should apologise? "Yes" Do I feel the committee made the right decision? "Yes" Should Westhoughton be kicked out "No" Can Westhoughton stay in the league? "Of course" Can Westhoughton leave the league? "Of course" Will we help them leave if they feel the BBDFL is a disgrace to leave? "Of course" Do I expect them to leave? "No" Is the Bolton News making a mountain out of a molehill? "Most definitely" Now for the second time! My final, final comment on the matter! warrenbarlow
  • Score: -21

6:48pm Wed 28 May 14

rnorris says...

warrenbarlow wrote:
OK, you have tempted me out again to comment at this ludicrous, nothing story!!!

Just shows the power of the media!

Neil Robertson from the Bolton News rang me during our Cup Finals on 17th May at the Reebok and asked me a load of questions whilst I was busy doing other things, which have been paraphrased into this report.

He doesn't appear to have quoted my comments about my disappointment at the Bolton News for inflaming a situation!

It is obviously a quiet news week and Neil is trying to make something which isn't!

Do I feel Westhoughton should apologise? "Yes"

Do I feel the committee made the right decision? "Yes"

Should Westhoughton be kicked out "No"

Can Westhoughton stay in the league? "Of course"

Can Westhoughton leave the league? "Of course"

Will we help them leave if they feel the BBDFL is a disgrace to leave? "Of course"

Do I expect them to leave? "No"

Is the Bolton News making a mountain out of a molehill? "Most definitely"

Now for the second time!

My final, final comment on the matter!
What an arrogant attitude.....Blaming everyone but yourself......The club and the Bolton News have nothing to apologise for..........Seems like its old men using Bully Boy tactics and have been found out. A disgrace.
[quote][p][bold]warrenbarlow[/bold] wrote: OK, you have tempted me out again to comment at this ludicrous, nothing story!!! Just shows the power of the media! Neil Robertson from the Bolton News rang me during our Cup Finals on 17th May at the Reebok and asked me a load of questions whilst I was busy doing other things, which have been paraphrased into this report. He doesn't appear to have quoted my comments about my disappointment at the Bolton News for inflaming a situation! It is obviously a quiet news week and Neil is trying to make something which isn't! Do I feel Westhoughton should apologise? "Yes" Do I feel the committee made the right decision? "Yes" Should Westhoughton be kicked out "No" Can Westhoughton stay in the league? "Of course" Can Westhoughton leave the league? "Of course" Will we help them leave if they feel the BBDFL is a disgrace to leave? "Of course" Do I expect them to leave? "No" Is the Bolton News making a mountain out of a molehill? "Most definitely" Now for the second time! My final, final comment on the matter![/p][/quote]What an arrogant attitude.....Blaming everyone but yourself......The club and the Bolton News have nothing to apologise for..........Seems like its old men using Bully Boy tactics and have been found out. A disgrace. rnorris
  • Score: 23

7:01pm Wed 28 May 14

GroundsKeeper Willy says...

Well done to the Westhoughton team and club for showing restraint and wanting to close things off. Shame on WB for bringing things up again on Sunday in newspaper online comments. My guess is today's article may not have been published if Warren B hadn't gone off on one in reaction to the comments pages from the last article.

So, the Westhoughton team has won 2 trophys which means they will be at the league presentations to accept their prizes. All this jibber jabber that Warren has dredged up again over the weekend means they may have the dog ends of this to deal with at the presentation as well as/ instead of enjoying the moment and celebrating what they've achieved.

I hope WB and the league can remain professional to not bring this up at presentations as on recent evidence they only appear to want to bark out orders and statements rather than sort things out together.
Well done to the Westhoughton team and club for showing restraint and wanting to close things off. Shame on WB for bringing things up again on Sunday in newspaper online comments. My guess is today's article may not have been published if Warren B hadn't gone off on one in reaction to the comments pages from the last article. So, the Westhoughton team has won 2 trophys which means they will be at the league presentations to accept their prizes. All this jibber jabber that Warren has dredged up again over the weekend means they may have the dog ends of this to deal with at the presentation as well as/ instead of enjoying the moment and celebrating what they've achieved. I hope WB and the league can remain professional to not bring this up at presentations as on recent evidence they only appear to want to bark out orders and statements rather than sort things out together. GroundsKeeper Willy
  • Score: 8

7:06pm Wed 28 May 14

Trouthunter says...

warrenbarlow wrote:
OK, you have tempted me out again to comment at this ludicrous, nothing story!!!

Just shows the power of the media!

Neil Robertson from the Bolton News rang me during our Cup Finals on 17th May at the Reebok and asked me a load of questions whilst I was busy doing other things, which have been paraphrased into this report.

He doesn't appear to have quoted my comments about my disappointment at the Bolton News for inflaming a situation!

It is obviously a quiet news week and Neil is trying to make something which isn't!

Do I feel Westhoughton should apologise? "Yes"

Do I feel the committee made the right decision? "Yes"

Should Westhoughton be kicked out "No"

Can Westhoughton stay in the league? "Of course"

Can Westhoughton leave the league? "Of course"

Will we help them leave if they feel the BBDFL is a disgrace to leave? "Of course"

Do I expect them to leave? "No"

Is the Bolton News making a mountain out of a molehill? "Most definitely"

Now for the second time!

My final, final comment on the matter!
I see he's picked his spade up again. LMFAO!
[quote][p][bold]warrenbarlow[/bold] wrote: OK, you have tempted me out again to comment at this ludicrous, nothing story!!! Just shows the power of the media! Neil Robertson from the Bolton News rang me during our Cup Finals on 17th May at the Reebok and asked me a load of questions whilst I was busy doing other things, which have been paraphrased into this report. He doesn't appear to have quoted my comments about my disappointment at the Bolton News for inflaming a situation! It is obviously a quiet news week and Neil is trying to make something which isn't! Do I feel Westhoughton should apologise? "Yes" Do I feel the committee made the right decision? "Yes" Should Westhoughton be kicked out "No" Can Westhoughton stay in the league? "Of course" Can Westhoughton leave the league? "Of course" Will we help them leave if they feel the BBDFL is a disgrace to leave? "Of course" Do I expect them to leave? "No" Is the Bolton News making a mountain out of a molehill? "Most definitely" Now for the second time! My final, final comment on the matter![/p][/quote]I see he's picked his spade up again. LMFAO! Trouthunter
  • Score: 7

7:13pm Wed 28 May 14

Trouthunter says...

Now for the SECOND TIME!

My FINAL FINAL comment on the matter...

There shouldn't have been a first one.!

Comedy gold. !
Now for the SECOND TIME! My FINAL FINAL comment on the matter... There shouldn't have been a first one.! Comedy gold. ! Trouthunter
  • Score: 7

7:44pm Wed 28 May 14

DogLover66 says...

Just simply embarrassing. So unprofessional from the chairman. Wonder how the hard working people on the committee feel about the egotistical and childish communications from the chairman. They must just cringe. All the hard work done by volunteers in the league as well as teams and clubs undone and undermined! Some people will never learn!
Just simply embarrassing. So unprofessional from the chairman. Wonder how the hard working people on the committee feel about the egotistical and childish communications from the chairman. They must just cringe. All the hard work done by volunteers in the league as well as teams and clubs undone and undermined! Some people will never learn! DogLover66
  • Score: 7

7:45pm Wed 28 May 14

PitMon1948 says...

rnorris wrote:
warrenbarlow wrote:
OK, you have tempted me out again to comment at this ludicrous, nothing story!!!

Just shows the power of the media!

Neil Robertson from the Bolton News rang me during our Cup Finals on 17th May at the Reebok and asked me a load of questions whilst I was busy doing other things, which have been paraphrased into this report.

He doesn't appear to have quoted my comments about my disappointment at the Bolton News for inflaming a situation!

It is obviously a quiet news week and Neil is trying to make something which isn't!

Do I feel Westhoughton should apologise? "Yes"

Do I feel the committee made the right decision? "Yes"

Should Westhoughton be kicked out "No"

Can Westhoughton stay in the league? "Of course"

Can Westhoughton leave the league? "Of course"

Will we help them leave if they feel the BBDFL is a disgrace to leave? "Of course"

Do I expect them to leave? "No"

Is the Bolton News making a mountain out of a molehill? "Most definitely"

Now for the second time!

My final, final comment on the matter!
What an arrogant attitude.....Blaming everyone but yourself......The club and the Bolton News have nothing to apologise for..........Seems like its old men using Bully Boy tactics and have been found out. A disgrace.
Warren Barlow wrote:
......which have been paraphrased into this report. He doesn't appear to have quoted my comments about ......

Warren, is it possible the papers may have paraphrased and edited comments from westhoughton too (disgusted, disgraceful) yet you demand an apology from the club because of this?

It does seem a bit narrow minded.
[quote][p][bold]rnorris[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrenbarlow[/bold] wrote: OK, you have tempted me out again to comment at this ludicrous, nothing story!!! Just shows the power of the media! Neil Robertson from the Bolton News rang me during our Cup Finals on 17th May at the Reebok and asked me a load of questions whilst I was busy doing other things, which have been paraphrased into this report. He doesn't appear to have quoted my comments about my disappointment at the Bolton News for inflaming a situation! It is obviously a quiet news week and Neil is trying to make something which isn't! Do I feel Westhoughton should apologise? "Yes" Do I feel the committee made the right decision? "Yes" Should Westhoughton be kicked out "No" Can Westhoughton stay in the league? "Of course" Can Westhoughton leave the league? "Of course" Will we help them leave if they feel the BBDFL is a disgrace to leave? "Of course" Do I expect them to leave? "No" Is the Bolton News making a mountain out of a molehill? "Most definitely" Now for the second time! My final, final comment on the matter![/p][/quote]What an arrogant attitude.....Blaming everyone but yourself......The club and the Bolton News have nothing to apologise for..........Seems like its old men using Bully Boy tactics and have been found out. A disgrace.[/p][/quote]Warren Barlow wrote: ......which have been paraphrased into this report. He doesn't appear to have quoted my comments about ...... Warren, is it possible the papers may have paraphrased and edited comments from westhoughton too (disgusted, disgraceful) yet you demand an apology from the club because of this? It does seem a bit narrow minded. PitMon1948
  • Score: 13

7:53pm Wed 28 May 14

Trouthunter says...

Checkout bbdfl website tomorrow for a statement from Warren Barlow about how disappointed he is that the newspaper has wronged the league with their actions and how he feels only a full and frank apology from Neil Robertson will only change his mind.


Zing...!
Checkout bbdfl website tomorrow for a statement from Warren Barlow about how disappointed he is that the newspaper has wronged the league with their actions and how he feels only a full and frank apology from Neil Robertson will only change his mind. Zing...! Trouthunter
  • Score: 12

8:02pm Wed 28 May 14

DogLover66 says...

Well done to whoever removed the articles from the bbdfl website. Trying in vain to save the league from further embarrassment.
Well done to whoever removed the articles from the bbdfl website. Trying in vain to save the league from further embarrassment. DogLover66
  • Score: 9

10:42pm Wed 28 May 14

bwfc0210 says...

Quiet news week, let it go bolton news, go out and find some proper news please. You're making things worse repeating the same old story.
Quiet news week, let it go bolton news, go out and find some proper news please. You're making things worse repeating the same old story. bwfc0210
  • Score: -6

9:38am Thu 29 May 14

DogLover66 says...

Wonder if he will step down as columnist for the BN after criticising the paper who allow him a voice?
Wonder if he will step down as columnist for the BN after criticising the paper who allow him a voice? DogLover66
  • Score: 9

10:22am Thu 29 May 14

ghijkl says...

I may be very wrong here, but wasn't WB suspended quite recently from BBDJFL and if so, why on earth did the let him back. The league need people who will help the clubs flourish to their best potential and the for all the kids to enjoy their games.
I may be very wrong here, but wasn't WB suspended quite recently from BBDJFL and if so, why on earth did the let him back. The league need people who will help the clubs flourish to their best potential and the for all the kids to enjoy their games. ghijkl
  • Score: 9

10:53am Thu 29 May 14

DogLover66 says...

Just ironic how he is now criticising the paper who have done so much work for grassroots and provide a voice for teams, clubs AND leagues... and he writes a column for the same paper! Another PR disaster for the league. It's poor when egos come first.
Just ironic how he is now criticising the paper who have done so much work for grassroots and provide a voice for teams, clubs AND leagues... and he writes a column for the same paper! Another PR disaster for the league. It's poor when egos come first. DogLover66
  • Score: 10

3:34pm Thu 29 May 14

bwfc0210 says...

DogLover66 wrote:
Just ironic how he is now criticising the paper who have done so much work for grassroots and provide a voice for teams, clubs AND leagues... and he writes a column for the same paper! Another PR disaster for the league. It's poor when egos come first.
Don't think the Bolton News has done anywhere near as much work as the bbdfl committee and WB is only one of these. Yes he's vociferous and opinionated but I believe, like the committee, he makes honest decisions. In this instance I think whoever made the initial decision (not WB) was wrong but this thread is now getting too personal. And who is the only person brave enough to use their actual name and not hide, WB.
[quote][p][bold]DogLover66[/bold] wrote: Just ironic how he is now criticising the paper who have done so much work for grassroots and provide a voice for teams, clubs AND leagues... and he writes a column for the same paper! Another PR disaster for the league. It's poor when egos come first.[/p][/quote]Don't think the Bolton News has done anywhere near as much work as the bbdfl committee and WB is only one of these. Yes he's vociferous and opinionated but I believe, like the committee, he makes honest decisions. In this instance I think whoever made the initial decision (not WB) was wrong but this thread is now getting too personal. And who is the only person brave enough to use their actual name and not hide, WB. bwfc0210
  • Score: -3

5:40pm Thu 29 May 14

PitMon1948 says...

bwfc0210 wrote:
DogLover66 wrote:
Just ironic how he is now criticising the paper who have done so much work for grassroots and provide a voice for teams, clubs AND leagues... and he writes a column for the same paper! Another PR disaster for the league. It's poor when egos come first.
Don't think the Bolton News has done anywhere near as much work as the bbdfl committee and WB is only one of these. Yes he's vociferous and opinionated but I believe, like the committee, he makes honest decisions. In this instance I think whoever made the initial decision (not WB) was wrong but this thread is now getting too personal. And who is the only person brave enough to use their actual name and not hide, WB.
Bwfc2010says....
In this instance I think whoever made the initial decision (not WB) was wrong but this thread is now getting too personal.

I says....
The majority of people talking on here think the initial decision was wrong. The only person who is publicly disagreeing is WB. And I don't think the comments have grown here because he disagrees, it's because of the way he handled the situation with regards to the whole football club (poor excuses, sad reflection, suggesting the whole club - not the particular team - leave to find another league, demanding that an apology from the whole club - not the team - will only change mind, using the league website to stamp his authority) That is what brought people out of hiding with their past experiences.

Bwfc2010says....
And who is the only person brave enough to use their actual name and not hide, WB.

I says... Good comment BWFC2010 (whatever your name is)... This backs up what people who have been involved with the league and leaving comments are saying...
Would you be brave enough to state your name and which club you represent in your comments, knowing that it seems WB or the league has developed a reputation for punishing, offering little support or demanding apologies to teams and clubs that question his or the leagues train of thought or can't agree on something...

My name is Alan Pittman by the way and I am not inlvolved with the Bolton league. Thankfully my kid's team plays elsewhere..!
[quote][p][bold]bwfc0210[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DogLover66[/bold] wrote: Just ironic how he is now criticising the paper who have done so much work for grassroots and provide a voice for teams, clubs AND leagues... and he writes a column for the same paper! Another PR disaster for the league. It's poor when egos come first.[/p][/quote]Don't think the Bolton News has done anywhere near as much work as the bbdfl committee and WB is only one of these. Yes he's vociferous and opinionated but I believe, like the committee, he makes honest decisions. In this instance I think whoever made the initial decision (not WB) was wrong but this thread is now getting too personal. And who is the only person brave enough to use their actual name and not hide, WB.[/p][/quote]Bwfc2010says.... In this instance I think whoever made the initial decision (not WB) was wrong but this thread is now getting too personal. I says.... The majority of people talking on here think the initial decision was wrong. The only person who is publicly disagreeing is WB. And I don't think the comments have grown here because he disagrees, it's because of the way he handled the situation with regards to the whole football club (poor excuses, sad reflection, suggesting the whole club - not the particular team - leave to find another league, demanding that an apology from the whole club - not the team - will only change mind, using the league website to stamp his authority) That is what brought people out of hiding with their past experiences. Bwfc2010says.... And who is the only person brave enough to use their actual name and not hide, WB. I says... Good comment BWFC2010 (whatever your name is)... This backs up what people who have been involved with the league and leaving comments are saying... Would you be brave enough to state your name and which club you represent in your comments, knowing that it seems WB or the league has developed a reputation for punishing, offering little support or demanding apologies to teams and clubs that question his or the leagues train of thought or can't agree on something... My name is Alan Pittman by the way and I am not inlvolved with the Bolton league. Thankfully my kid's team plays elsewhere..! PitMon1948
  • Score: 7

8:48pm Thu 29 May 14

Gaz1262 says...

warrenbarlow wrote:
OK, you have tempted me out again to comment at this ludicrous, nothing story!!!

Just shows the power of the media!

Neil Robertson from the Bolton News rang me during our Cup Finals on 17th May at the Reebok and asked me a load of questions whilst I was busy doing other things, which have been paraphrased into this report.

He doesn't appear to have quoted my comments about my disappointment at the Bolton News for inflaming a situation!

It is obviously a quiet news week and Neil is trying to make something which isn't!

Do I feel Westhoughton should apologise? "Yes"

Do I feel the committee made the right decision? "Yes"

Should Westhoughton be kicked out "No"

Can Westhoughton stay in the league? "Of course"

Can Westhoughton leave the league? "Of course"

Will we help them leave if they feel the BBDFL is a disgrace to leave? "Of course"

Do I expect them to leave? "No"

Is the Bolton News making a mountain out of a molehill? "Most definitely"

Now for the second time!

My final, final comment on the matter!
What a contemptible arrogant response. I'm a bystander with no conection but even I can see why your so flaming popular.........NOT.
[quote][p][bold]warrenbarlow[/bold] wrote: OK, you have tempted me out again to comment at this ludicrous, nothing story!!! Just shows the power of the media! Neil Robertson from the Bolton News rang me during our Cup Finals on 17th May at the Reebok and asked me a load of questions whilst I was busy doing other things, which have been paraphrased into this report. He doesn't appear to have quoted my comments about my disappointment at the Bolton News for inflaming a situation! It is obviously a quiet news week and Neil is trying to make something which isn't! Do I feel Westhoughton should apologise? "Yes" Do I feel the committee made the right decision? "Yes" Should Westhoughton be kicked out "No" Can Westhoughton stay in the league? "Of course" Can Westhoughton leave the league? "Of course" Will we help them leave if they feel the BBDFL is a disgrace to leave? "Of course" Do I expect them to leave? "No" Is the Bolton News making a mountain out of a molehill? "Most definitely" Now for the second time! My final, final comment on the matter![/p][/quote]What a contemptible arrogant response. I'm a bystander with no conection but even I can see why your so flaming popular.........NOT. Gaz1262
  • Score: 5

10:36pm Sat 31 May 14

Greasy Chip Butty says...

rnorris wrote:
I ran a team for a number of years in the 80s and had the very same problems. The league at that time was run by old men in flat caps who thought they were more important than the players......Appears nothings changed.......When will they learn ?
Does it remind you of a few local cricket leagues, like the Bolton Association, which operate institutionally in the dark ages.
[quote][p][bold]rnorris[/bold] wrote: I ran a team for a number of years in the 80s and had the very same problems. The league at that time was run by old men in flat caps who thought they were more important than the players......Appears nothings changed.......When will they learn ?[/p][/quote]Does it remind you of a few local cricket leagues, like the Bolton Association, which operate institutionally in the dark ages. Greasy Chip Butty
  • Score: 4

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