Horwich town councillor called 'ignorant' and told to resign at council meeting

The Bolton News: Horwich Public Hall, where Horwich Town Council meets. Picture from Google Maps. Horwich Public Hall, where Horwich Town Council meets. Picture from Google Maps.

A HORWICH town councillor was branded "ignorant" and told to resign after a fiery exchange during a meeting of the town council.

Horwich resident John Halliwell spoke at the meeting about the state of a road next to his house, which he said looked like "something from the third world" because of weeds and disrepair.

He handed pictures of the back street, situated between Brownlow Road and St Annes Road in Horwich to councillors, asking them "Is this really somewhere you would like to live?"

Responding, Cllr Andrew Morley said: "Looking at this picture I think it looks very nice, there are much worse places, it is nice and green."

Mr Halliwell responded angrily, stating: "If you think that as a Horwich town councillor then you are downright ignorant and you should resign."

Asked by cllr Morley if he would consider standing for a seat on the town council, an angry Mr Halliwell responded: "If I had to come and sit here and listen to your claptrap then we would fall out."

During the meeting the council recommended approval for plans to build retail units and flats on the site of the derelict Greenwood Arms pub in Chorley New Road.

The formerly popular pub was the subject of several failed planning applications before a planning inspector upheld an appeal in 2012, granting permission to convert the building.

Cllr Kevan Helsby said: "We are all aware of the great history of the pub, but the state it is in now is bad. The plans look reasonable to me."

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7:01am Fri 30 May 14

auzie12 says...

Claptrap LOL well said.
Claptrap LOL well said. auzie12
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9:05am Fri 30 May 14

filthy6 says...

Its too easy to stand on the side line & winge, they give him the opportunity to take a seat he should have done so
Its too easy to stand on the side line & winge, they give him the opportunity to take a seat he should have done so filthy6
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12:50pm Fri 30 May 14

gladrill says...

If the council had refused this application at the first the Greenwood would be still standing and able to function as a well loved pub. they do not listen to local peoples views.
If the council had refused this application at the first the Greenwood would be still standing and able to function as a well loved pub. they do not listen to local peoples views. gladrill
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12:54pm Fri 30 May 14

cliff4treasurer says...

So once again the "buy a building and burn it down" scenario to obtain planning permission works again.
Anyone with a bit of cash and a box of matches fancy the old schoolhouse in Harwood/Bradshaw?
So once again the "buy a building and burn it down" scenario to obtain planning permission works again. Anyone with a bit of cash and a box of matches fancy the old schoolhouse in Harwood/Bradshaw? cliff4treasurer
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1:26pm Fri 30 May 14

filthy6 says...

gladrill wrote:
If the council had refused this application at the first the Greenwood would be still standing and able to function as a well loved pub. they do not listen to local peoples views.
Well loved, are you sure? If it was profitable surely it wouldn't have closed
[quote][p][bold]gladrill[/bold] wrote: If the council had refused this application at the first the Greenwood would be still standing and able to function as a well loved pub. they do not listen to local peoples views.[/p][/quote]Well loved, are you sure? If it was profitable surely it wouldn't have closed filthy6
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4:22pm Sat 31 May 14

Brumas says...

Two Comment on this artical,

First the weeds in back Brownlow Road/ St Anne's Road, I have been to look at the said weeds etc and there are a large amount, but nothing has changed other than the residents and their attitudes. I once lived with that has my back street, about Thirty years ago, then weeds would still grow if residents let them but in those days they didn't let them, so there is your answer to that.
But Mr Halliwell may be right about the councilor, I was not present to give an opinion, but the councilor is certainly wet behind the ears.
The bigger shame on Horwich and Bolton Council's are the state of the weeds in Lee lane, which are three foot tall in places near the Public Hall, what a disgrace.

Secondly, The Greenwood, the Greenwood would still be standing if the owners had given it a fair chance, but they never intended to do so. Running the business down by stopping the landlord and landlady from promoting the usage of the pub and in doing so said the pub became unprofitable. Same old, same old story in order to get their own way and develop the site for vast profit. At the first time of trying to get the site developed, when things looked like they were going against them, the pub mysteriously had an arson attack, making beyond repair and the eyesore it is now. All to finish up in the situation now before us, but in the ensuing time since the developers so called went bang and the original development halted, things have changed locally, several shops have been refurbished and re-opened, making some people a livelihood, what will happen when and if these new shops open up to the other shops nearby that have no parking outside them? Plus for that matter how will it detract from Horwich Town Centre, if you can call it that?
Why not go the whole hog now, go for maximum profit and bring the building line forward, to build a big block of apartments with a frontage similar to the old Greenwood?
Two Comment on this artical, First the weeds in back Brownlow Road/ St Anne's Road, I have been to look at the said weeds etc and there are a large amount, but nothing has changed other than the residents and their attitudes. I once lived with that has my back street, about Thirty years ago, then weeds would still grow if residents let them but in those days they didn't let them, so there is your answer to that. But Mr Halliwell may be right about the councilor, I was not present to give an opinion, but the councilor is certainly wet behind the ears. The bigger shame on Horwich and Bolton Council's are the state of the weeds in Lee lane, which are three foot tall in places near the Public Hall, what a disgrace. Secondly, The Greenwood, the Greenwood would still be standing if the owners had given it a fair chance, but they never intended to do so. Running the business down by stopping the landlord and landlady from promoting the usage of the pub and in doing so said the pub became unprofitable. Same old, same old story in order to get their own way and develop the site for vast profit. At the first time of trying to get the site developed, when things looked like they were going against them, the pub mysteriously had an arson attack, making beyond repair and the eyesore it is now. All to finish up in the situation now before us, but in the ensuing time since the developers so called went bang and the original development halted, things have changed locally, several shops have been refurbished and re-opened, making some people a livelihood, what will happen when and if these new shops open up to the other shops nearby that have no parking outside them? Plus for that matter how will it detract from Horwich Town Centre, if you can call it that? Why not go the whole hog now, go for maximum profit and bring the building line forward, to build a big block of apartments with a frontage similar to the old Greenwood? Brumas
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