Bolton could get direct train to London

The Bolton News: Virgin Trains’ Pendolino Virgin Trains’ Pendolino

DIRECT trains from Bolton to London Euston could be arriving soon.

Transport bosses at Bolton Council have been in contact with Virgin Trains to see whether it would consider extending its morning services from Manchester Piccadilly to Bolton train station.

It would mean commuters could get a direct train from Bolton before 7.15am straight into the heart of the capital.

At a town hall scrutiny committee, Cllr David Chadwick, cabinet member for public transport and a committee member at Transport for Greater Manchester, laid out his vision for the scheme.

He said: “We’ve already approached the subject with Virgin about bringing the Pendolino service out along the Bolton corridor before it goes to Piccadilly, prior to 7am or 7.15am.

“Clearly they are quite willing to look at it.”

Following concerns from Cllr Martin Donaghey that there needed to be a return journey in the evening, Cllr Chadwick added: “We have asked for both ‘out’ and ‘in’ and they seem to be considering that as a serious entity.

“We have asked for services early in the morning and in the evening back to Bolton.”

Bolton Council set up a taskforce to look into setting up a direct service between Bolton and London in October, after a request by Cllr Stuart Haslam was given the local authority’s backing.

The move has been celebrated by Emma Antrobus, transport policy manager at the Greater Manchester Chamber of Commerce.

She said: “As a chamber, we are very supportive of ideas to improve connectivity on our rail network.

“We know that rail services to Bolton have been reduced in recent times, leading to greater problems of overcrowding.

“We also know that allowing the West Coast trains to go to different stations could be problematic as Virgin is operating on a management contract until the refranchising process starts in 2016.

“However, that gives plenty of time to investigate if there might be a business case to run extended services up to Bolton.

“There is currently a lot of investment going into the Northern Hub project to build capacity in the network and, along with electrification, this may have a greater impact on improving connections for Bolton than the West Coast mainline proposal.”

A spokesman for Virgin trains said negotiations were in the very early stages. He added: “We are actively looking at how we can develop our services to maximise benefits for customers in the North West following future electrification schemes..

“Amongst those is Bolton, but no decisions have been made yet.”

  • THE scrutiny committee also heard how the same group is working towards restoring the Scottish services from Manchester Airport to Glasgow and Edinburgh through Bolton.

The First Transpennine Express (FTPE) trains were rerouted through Wigan in December in a move that ignited The Bolton News’ Let’s Get Back On Track campaign for a better train service in Bolton.

Cllr Chadwick said he was hopeful that FTPE would bring the trains back, arguing it was quicker and more efficient for the services to run through Bolton.

He added: “We are looking to see what we can do to enhance Bolton’s chances, and I’m doing my personal damndest — I’m getting up their noses to make sure they do the best for Bolton, and I have every confidence that we’ll succeed.”

  • The British Class 390 Pendolino is one of the fastest trains operating in the country, with a top speed of 140mph.
  • Dubbed ‘Pendolino’ from the Italian for ‘pendulum’, the tilting trains can go around curves at high speeds causing minimal discomfort to passengers.
  • There are four trains an hour at peak times between Manchester Piccadilly and London Euston, taking two hours and 10 minutes.

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11:32am Mon 2 Jun 14

MrUpton says...

Having used this service regularly when working in London, I can see it will have it's uses, it will also take some of the strain of those trains travelling to Manchester.
Having used this service regularly when working in London, I can see it will have it's uses, it will also take some of the strain of those trains travelling to Manchester. MrUpton
  • Score: 15

11:45am Mon 2 Jun 14

Ernagy2 says...

Will look forward to seeing them, if they ever arrive. We might even get passengers transferring from Southport, Blackburn and Chorley.
Will look forward to seeing them, if they ever arrive. We might even get passengers transferring from Southport, Blackburn and Chorley. Ernagy2
  • Score: 1

12:14pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Chrome1 says...

Another 'pie in the sky' story. It's not going to happen. Think of all the mechanical restructuring that needs to happen. Trains from Bolton to Manc Piccadilly - MCP go on platform 13, which is a side local platform.
And what is the benefit? So that we don't have to transfer platforms at MCP. It would be stupid.
Another 'pie in the sky' story. It's not going to happen. Think of all the mechanical restructuring that needs to happen. Trains from Bolton to Manc Piccadilly - MCP go on platform 13, which is a side local platform. And what is the benefit? So that we don't have to transfer platforms at MCP. It would be stupid. Chrome1
  • Score: -4

12:52pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Puffin-Billy says...

How about a direct train to Manchester - then People could get to work on time and not lose their jobs because of bad time keeping.
How about a direct train to Manchester - then People could get to work on time and not lose their jobs because of bad time keeping. Puffin-Billy
  • Score: 7

1:12pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Ernagy2 says...

Puffin-Billy wrote:
How about a direct train to Manchester - then People could get to work on time and not lose their jobs because of bad time keeping.
Don't know why people are so negative. Manchester isn't everything. This could not only solve commuters problems to Manchester, but also enable more of the town to be employed, which would be a good thing. Stop thinking about today and start thinking about a different future. This for the youngsters as the world is getting smaller and being able to get to London as quickly as possible will be where the jobs are at. London is one of the major capitals of the world and inevitably most business will be done there. Manchester will always be a small hub and will never have the jobs that London will. More power to the transport committees.
[quote][p][bold]Puffin-Billy[/bold] wrote: How about a direct train to Manchester - then People could get to work on time and not lose their jobs because of bad time keeping.[/p][/quote]Don't know why people are so negative. Manchester isn't everything. This could not only solve commuters problems to Manchester, but also enable more of the town to be employed, which would be a good thing. Stop thinking about today and start thinking about a different future. This for the youngsters as the world is getting smaller and being able to get to London as quickly as possible will be where the jobs are at. London is one of the major capitals of the world and inevitably most business will be done there. Manchester will always be a small hub and will never have the jobs that London will. More power to the transport committees. Ernagy2
  • Score: 2

1:59pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Ernagy2 says...

Chrome1 wrote:
Another 'pie in the sky' story. It's not going to happen. Think of all the mechanical restructuring that needs to happen. Trains from Bolton to Manc Piccadilly - MCP go on platform 13, which is a side local platform.
And what is the benefit? So that we don't have to transfer platforms at MCP. It would be stupid.
Thats for the transport authorities to worry about. For now lets everyone of us hope it happens. It's only infrastructure. The biggest obstacle will be proving demand.
[quote][p][bold]Chrome1[/bold] wrote: Another 'pie in the sky' story. It's not going to happen. Think of all the mechanical restructuring that needs to happen. Trains from Bolton to Manc Piccadilly - MCP go on platform 13, which is a side local platform. And what is the benefit? So that we don't have to transfer platforms at MCP. It would be stupid.[/p][/quote]Thats for the transport authorities to worry about. For now lets everyone of us hope it happens. It's only infrastructure. The biggest obstacle will be proving demand. Ernagy2
  • Score: 3

2:18pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Puffin-Billy says...

Ernagy2 wrote:
Puffin-Billy wrote:
How about a direct train to Manchester - then People could get to work on time and not lose their jobs because of bad time keeping.
Don't know why people are so negative. Manchester isn't everything. This could not only solve commuters problems to Manchester, but also enable more of the town to be employed, which would be a good thing. Stop thinking about today and start thinking about a different future. This for the youngsters as the world is getting smaller and being able to get to London as quickly as possible will be where the jobs are at. London is one of the major capitals of the world and inevitably most business will be done there. Manchester will always be a small hub and will never have the jobs that London will. More power to the transport committees.
I am being positive.
I don't want to pollute the environment with my car fumes,
but I'm forced to do so because I can't rely on the trains.
[quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Puffin-Billy[/bold] wrote: How about a direct train to Manchester - then People could get to work on time and not lose their jobs because of bad time keeping.[/p][/quote]Don't know why people are so negative. Manchester isn't everything. This could not only solve commuters problems to Manchester, but also enable more of the town to be employed, which would be a good thing. Stop thinking about today and start thinking about a different future. This for the youngsters as the world is getting smaller and being able to get to London as quickly as possible will be where the jobs are at. London is one of the major capitals of the world and inevitably most business will be done there. Manchester will always be a small hub and will never have the jobs that London will. More power to the transport committees.[/p][/quote]I am being positive. I don't want to pollute the environment with my car fumes, but I'm forced to do so because I can't rely on the trains. Puffin-Billy
  • Score: 1

2:30pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Ernagy2 says...

Puffin-Billy wrote:
Ernagy2 wrote:
Puffin-Billy wrote:
How about a direct train to Manchester - then People could get to work on time and not lose their jobs because of bad time keeping.
Don't know why people are so negative. Manchester isn't everything. This could not only solve commuters problems to Manchester, but also enable more of the town to be employed, which would be a good thing. Stop thinking about today and start thinking about a different future. This for the youngsters as the world is getting smaller and being able to get to London as quickly as possible will be where the jobs are at. London is one of the major capitals of the world and inevitably most business will be done there. Manchester will always be a small hub and will never have the jobs that London will. More power to the transport committees.
I am being positive.
I don't want to pollute the environment with my car fumes,
but I'm forced to do so because I can't rely on the trains.
This will give you more access to Manchester, as that will be the first stop. It will mean that the journey to Manchester will be quicker, so you will have "direct access to Manchester". These trains are not going to miss Manchester, just because it has Bolton on it. They will be going through Piccadilly.

If demand can be proven - and that is demand to go to London from Bolton, then I'm sure the infrastructure problems can be overcome.

If these trains go ahead you won't have to use the car. However, I think we will still all be on overcrowded trains as more accessibility to London means more people living in Bolton (maybe Ian Duncan Smith as he seems to love the place so much lol).
[quote][p][bold]Puffin-Billy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Puffin-Billy[/bold] wrote: How about a direct train to Manchester - then People could get to work on time and not lose their jobs because of bad time keeping.[/p][/quote]Don't know why people are so negative. Manchester isn't everything. This could not only solve commuters problems to Manchester, but also enable more of the town to be employed, which would be a good thing. Stop thinking about today and start thinking about a different future. This for the youngsters as the world is getting smaller and being able to get to London as quickly as possible will be where the jobs are at. London is one of the major capitals of the world and inevitably most business will be done there. Manchester will always be a small hub and will never have the jobs that London will. More power to the transport committees.[/p][/quote]I am being positive. I don't want to pollute the environment with my car fumes, but I'm forced to do so because I can't rely on the trains.[/p][/quote]This will give you more access to Manchester, as that will be the first stop. It will mean that the journey to Manchester will be quicker, so you will have "direct access to Manchester". These trains are not going to miss Manchester, just because it has Bolton on it. They will be going through Piccadilly. If demand can be proven - and that is demand to go to London from Bolton, then I'm sure the infrastructure problems can be overcome. If these trains go ahead you won't have to use the car. However, I think we will still all be on overcrowded trains as more accessibility to London means more people living in Bolton (maybe Ian Duncan Smith as he seems to love the place so much lol). Ernagy2
  • Score: 0

2:32pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Ernagy2 says...

Maybe the question to the public should be is there a need job wise for a direct train to london, rather than would you use a direct train to London.
Maybe the question to the public should be is there a need job wise for a direct train to london, rather than would you use a direct train to London. Ernagy2
  • Score: -2

2:55pm Mon 2 Jun 14

MrUpton says...

Ernagy2 wrote:
Puffin-Billy wrote:
How about a direct train to Manchester - then People could get to work on time and not lose their jobs because of bad time keeping.
Don't know why people are so negative. Manchester isn't everything. This could not only solve commuters problems to Manchester, but also enable more of the town to be employed, which would be a good thing. Stop thinking about today and start thinking about a different future. This for the youngsters as the world is getting smaller and being able to get to London as quickly as possible will be where the jobs are at. London is one of the major capitals of the world and inevitably most business will be done there. Manchester will always be a small hub and will never have the jobs that London will. More power to the transport committees.
When you've tried to get on a train between 7am and 9am every morning to Manchester then you may understand peoples frustrations.

I was lucky enough to be able to use off peak travel over a 4 year period when travelling to London , but have had the misfortune to once or twice try and get a train at those times
[quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Puffin-Billy[/bold] wrote: How about a direct train to Manchester - then People could get to work on time and not lose their jobs because of bad time keeping.[/p][/quote]Don't know why people are so negative. Manchester isn't everything. This could not only solve commuters problems to Manchester, but also enable more of the town to be employed, which would be a good thing. Stop thinking about today and start thinking about a different future. This for the youngsters as the world is getting smaller and being able to get to London as quickly as possible will be where the jobs are at. London is one of the major capitals of the world and inevitably most business will be done there. Manchester will always be a small hub and will never have the jobs that London will. More power to the transport committees.[/p][/quote]When you've tried to get on a train between 7am and 9am every morning to Manchester then you may understand peoples frustrations. I was lucky enough to be able to use off peak travel over a 4 year period when travelling to London , but have had the misfortune to once or twice try and get a train at those times MrUpton
  • Score: 1

3:55pm Mon 2 Jun 14

p.rhanna says...

Economy Seat price from Wigan to London if paid for on the day.
270 pounds before 9.30 am.
This idea will never go ahead...Sort the Town Centre out first ....its a Dump!
Economy Seat price from Wigan to London if paid for on the day. 270 pounds before 9.30 am. This idea will never go ahead...Sort the Town Centre out first ....its a Dump! p.rhanna
  • Score: 1

5:18pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Hulton Park says...

So the spokeswoman for the Greater Manchester Chamber of Commerce gives Virgin's excuses for them before any decision has been made.

Thanks for your unequivocal support, Greater Manchester. No surprises there!
So the spokeswoman for the Greater Manchester Chamber of Commerce gives Virgin's excuses for them before any decision has been made. Thanks for your unequivocal support, Greater Manchester. No surprises there! Hulton Park
  • Score: 0

6:31pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Ernagy2 says...

MrUpton wrote:
Ernagy2 wrote:
Puffin-Billy wrote:
How about a direct train to Manchester - then People could get to work on time and not lose their jobs because of bad time keeping.
Don't know why people are so negative. Manchester isn't everything. This could not only solve commuters problems to Manchester, but also enable more of the town to be employed, which would be a good thing. Stop thinking about today and start thinking about a different future. This for the youngsters as the world is getting smaller and being able to get to London as quickly as possible will be where the jobs are at. London is one of the major capitals of the world and inevitably most business will be done there. Manchester will always be a small hub and will never have the jobs that London will. More power to the transport committees.
When you've tried to get on a train between 7am and 9am every morning to Manchester then you may understand peoples frustrations.

I was lucky enough to be able to use off peak travel over a 4 year period when travelling to London , but have had the misfortune to once or twice try and get a train at those times
I did the journey to Manchester at that time for 30 years. I know the problems and are well aware of them. I have used all three lines during that time and the commute has got steadily worse and now it's just so unpleasant and awful.

However, stamping on someone for trying to help the situation doesn't help any of us. Lets stand by people when they are trying to do something for us. When they fail then criticise, but don't do it when people are clearly trying their best.
[quote][p][bold]MrUpton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Puffin-Billy[/bold] wrote: How about a direct train to Manchester - then People could get to work on time and not lose their jobs because of bad time keeping.[/p][/quote]Don't know why people are so negative. Manchester isn't everything. This could not only solve commuters problems to Manchester, but also enable more of the town to be employed, which would be a good thing. Stop thinking about today and start thinking about a different future. This for the youngsters as the world is getting smaller and being able to get to London as quickly as possible will be where the jobs are at. London is one of the major capitals of the world and inevitably most business will be done there. Manchester will always be a small hub and will never have the jobs that London will. More power to the transport committees.[/p][/quote]When you've tried to get on a train between 7am and 9am every morning to Manchester then you may understand peoples frustrations. I was lucky enough to be able to use off peak travel over a 4 year period when travelling to London , but have had the misfortune to once or twice try and get a train at those times[/p][/quote]I did the journey to Manchester at that time for 30 years. I know the problems and are well aware of them. I have used all three lines during that time and the commute has got steadily worse and now it's just so unpleasant and awful. However, stamping on someone for trying to help the situation doesn't help any of us. Lets stand by people when they are trying to do something for us. When they fail then criticise, but don't do it when people are clearly trying their best. Ernagy2
  • Score: 1

7:11pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Ernagy2 says...

p.rhanna wrote:
Economy Seat price from Wigan to London if paid for on the day.
270 pounds before 9.30 am.
This idea will never go ahead...Sort the Town Centre out first ....its a Dump!
You'll still be able to get on the virgin train with a greater manchester ticket if going to manchester city centre for normal fare.

The price from Manchester on the day (return) £320.

As for sorting the Town out first. I agree that the Town needs sorting, however it's coming out of a different budget. This will help bring more visitors to the Town and will help improve the Town overal, a win win.

Remember Bury's Town improved on the back of the metrolink. Ours will too if people will allow it.
[quote][p][bold]p.rhanna[/bold] wrote: Economy Seat price from Wigan to London if paid for on the day. 270 pounds before 9.30 am. This idea will never go ahead...Sort the Town Centre out first ....its a Dump![/p][/quote]You'll still be able to get on the virgin train with a greater manchester ticket if going to manchester city centre for normal fare. The price from Manchester on the day (return) £320. As for sorting the Town out first. I agree that the Town needs sorting, however it's coming out of a different budget. This will help bring more visitors to the Town and will help improve the Town overal, a win win. Remember Bury's Town improved on the back of the metrolink. Ours will too if people will allow it. Ernagy2
  • Score: 2

8:56pm Mon 2 Jun 14

nigella farrage says...

Lets get the facts right here.

Firstly there will only be, at most, 2 services a day heading to London and coming back from London. If you read the report the train services will be leaving BEFORE 7am and possibly 1 after 930am, whilst the returns would possibly be before 7am from London and around 6pm from London (i.e. both in peak times price range - as times for those are before 930am and between 330pm and 7pm)

Secondly the final decision for this would come from the Department for transport and they have already said no to such a route to both Virgin and First (when they were both applying to run the WCML franchise before it was scuppered). Citing that the lines are full to capacity!!!

Thirdly which platform would the trains run from? Platform 3, thus messing up all other services as it would have to arrive on Platform 3, from Manchester and then go back out from platform 3. Therefore which platforms would the Blackpool, Southport, Lake District trains as only Platforms 2,3 and 4 will be electrified! (Platform 2 is too small even for a dead-end platform, Platform 4 is only a single track for going north and Platform 1 will not be electrified as the Blackburn line is not getting electrified, plus there is no track which goes from the main Bolton line to go onto Platform1! This would mean big delays or even cancellation of other services whilst Virgin brought the train to Bolton!!!!

Fourthly, Virgin's franchise is up in 2016, and the renewal process starts in about 18 months. therefore there will be no amendments to the current Virgin services until at least December 2017!!! Lets not forget that Virgin may not be the franchise holder come 2016!



There are far too many ifs and buts about this, although knowing the DfT, Network Rail and ORR it will probably mean bad news as Bolton is a local station and is no longer an Intercity stop (and hasn't been since John Major's Government)
Lets get the facts right here. Firstly there will only be, at most, 2 services a day heading to London and coming back from London. If you read the report the train services will be leaving BEFORE 7am and possibly 1 after 930am, whilst the returns would possibly be before 7am from London and around 6pm from London (i.e. both in peak times price range - as times for those are before 930am and between 330pm and 7pm) Secondly the final decision for this would come from the Department for transport and they have already said no to such a route to both Virgin and First (when they were both applying to run the WCML franchise before it was scuppered). Citing that the lines are full to capacity!!! Thirdly which platform would the trains run from? Platform 3, thus messing up all other services as it would have to arrive on Platform 3, from Manchester and then go back out from platform 3. Therefore which platforms would the Blackpool, Southport, Lake District trains as only Platforms 2,3 and 4 will be electrified! (Platform 2 is too small even for a dead-end platform, Platform 4 is only a single track for going north and Platform 1 will not be electrified as the Blackburn line is not getting electrified, plus there is no track which goes from the main Bolton line to go onto Platform1! This would mean big delays or even cancellation of other services whilst Virgin brought the train to Bolton!!!! Fourthly, Virgin's franchise is up in 2016, and the renewal process starts in about 18 months. therefore there will be no amendments to the current Virgin services until at least December 2017!!! Lets not forget that Virgin may not be the franchise holder come 2016! There are far too many ifs and buts about this, although knowing the DfT, Network Rail and ORR it will probably mean bad news as Bolton is a local station and is no longer an Intercity stop (and hasn't been since John Major's Government) nigella farrage
  • Score: 0

10:07pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Bolton First says...

We had a direct service through Bolton until Beeching, the Colne to Euston train. We need a direct service now, I would use it, but doubt that we will have this service. Virgin trains run through Bolton, when there is track work between Crewe and the junction north of Chorley.
We had a direct service through Bolton until Beeching, the Colne to Euston train. We need a direct service now, I would use it, but doubt that we will have this service. Virgin trains run through Bolton, when there is track work between Crewe and the junction north of Chorley. Bolton First
  • Score: 0

11:42am Tue 3 Jun 14

turtle2 says...

Regarding the comments about having to use platforms 13 and 14 at Manchester Piccadilly, Network Rail are to build two new through platforms which will become platforms 15 and 16.
Regarding the comments about having to use platforms 13 and 14 at Manchester Piccadilly, Network Rail are to build two new through platforms which will become platforms 15 and 16. turtle2
  • Score: 1

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