Children's centre rooms to be used for free nursery places

Children's centre rooms to be used for free nursery places

Children's centre rooms to be used for free nursery places

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ROOMS in four Bolton Council children’s centres will be rented out to private nurseries — to provide free places for two-year-olds.

As reported in The Bolton News last month, a cash injection of £5 million will mean 40 per cent of two-year-olds in Bolton should be offered free early years education from September.

But this means more nursery places are needed in Bolton — a figure rising from 855 to more than double at 2,140.

To provide the additional places, private nursery providers will move into former Sure Start Centres — now known as children’s centres.

A Bolton Council spokesman said: “We’re pleased to offer free early years education places to two-year-olds from low income families as they often miss out on some educational experiences other children benefit from, as their parents cannot afford to put them into childcare.

"As part of our plans to provide these places, we are looking at which of our children’s centres could be used by private nursery providers to offer this education.”

The council has already advertised two children’s centres to nursery providers – Harwood Youth Centre and Bright Meadows.

Another two centres will also be advertised in this initiative.

Town hall chiefs expect there will be enough places for 75 per cent of eligible children in September — with enough places for all in January.

Children who take up the free entitlement will receive 15 hours of free early education each week for 38 weeks of the year.

Families who qualify have to be on certain benefits, income which is not over £16,190, or youngsters have to be classed as looked after children.

Free entitlement for all three and four-year-olds is already available.

Council funding cuts recently has led to children’s centres in Bolton being streamlined to provide essential services to those in need.

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7:46pm Fri 20 Jun 14

underwater says...

Is it not about time that low income families cut down on the breeding . If they cannot afford childcare and obviously do not want to look after there own brats why do they keep having them. I do not see this as an essential service I see it as pandering to the lazy and feckless . Why should my tax subsidise looking after other peoples children.
Is it not about time that low income families cut down on the breeding . If they cannot afford childcare and obviously do not want to look after there own brats why do they keep having them. I do not see this as an essential service I see it as pandering to the lazy and feckless . Why should my tax subsidise looking after other peoples children. underwater
  • Score: 5

7:58pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Beyond News Forum says...

The whole debacle of free places is hard to manage. £4.60 per hour per child with a 1 member of staff to 4 two year old's ratio is not going to get anywhere financially for private nurseries.

Put the maths together... rent of premises, staff and management. It is a no-brainer and a proper government fiddle.

If the government are going to provide free places then they should provide adequate financial compensation to nurseries.

Not only that many of these children or should I say a percentage of these children, and this is an absolute FACT, will be from difficult backgrounds and WILL demand some special attention by staff, thus either MORE staff will be needed to cover for a child or children that are in need of more attention, or the staff will be facing a logistical nightmare.

Even the grants will not be sufficient under the 'provide extra provisions' banner.

In short this scheme is not viable in its current form. CUTS is the big word here... the councils and government make these cuts and have the barefaced cheek to ask private nurseries to take the flack and bare the financial brunt.

Sorry parents this is going to really hurt 'some' of you and I am going to be as blunt and honest with you as I can in the simplest of wording... the fact of the matter is that many of these places as I say will be based on a level of social ineptness, financial background and unskilled parenting. Nurseries are basically being asked to provide the extra care and resources, education and care at a 'special level of care' because 'some parents cannot be bothered. Oh you don't like me saying it but many of us know that this is the truth of the matter.

The government should be providing parenting coaches to teach some parents how to adequately bring up, attend to and educate their children. Nurseries are not glorified parents and nor should they be treated as such by councils or the government who need to grow a pair and get with the program instead of cutting back and 'streamlining' the services on offer.

Mark my words... either the government and councils radically rethink this through and provide private nurseries with adequate finances to make this work, or watch these 'free places' go under as yet another huge and expensive mistake let alone the other accidents that will happen due to staff ratios.
The whole debacle of free places is hard to manage. £4.60 per hour per child with a 1 member of staff to 4 two year old's ratio is not going to get anywhere financially for private nurseries. Put the maths together... rent of premises, staff and management. It is a no-brainer and a proper government fiddle. If the government are going to provide free places then they should provide adequate financial compensation to nurseries. Not only that many of these children or should I say a percentage of these children, and this is an absolute FACT, will be from difficult backgrounds and WILL demand some special attention by staff, thus either MORE staff will be needed to cover for a child or children that are in need of more attention, or the staff will be facing a logistical nightmare. Even the grants will not be sufficient under the 'provide extra provisions' banner. In short this scheme is not viable in its current form. CUTS is the big word here... the councils and government make these cuts and have the barefaced cheek to ask private nurseries to take the flack and bare the financial brunt. Sorry parents this is going to really hurt 'some' of you and I am going to be as blunt and honest with you as I can in the simplest of wording... the fact of the matter is that many of these places as I say will be based on a level of social ineptness, financial background and unskilled parenting. Nurseries are basically being asked to provide the extra care and resources, education and care at a 'special level of care' because 'some parents cannot be bothered. Oh you don't like me saying it but many of us know that this is the truth of the matter. The government should be providing parenting coaches to teach some parents how to adequately bring up, attend to and educate their children. Nurseries are not glorified parents and nor should they be treated as such by councils or the government who need to grow a pair and get with the program instead of cutting back and 'streamlining' the services on offer. Mark my words... either the government and councils radically rethink this through and provide private nurseries with adequate finances to make this work, or watch these 'free places' go under as yet another huge and expensive mistake let alone the other accidents that will happen due to staff ratios. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 5

8:02pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Oh and to add... 15-hours a week is going to be hardly any use at all to parents or the children, many will still go home to a rather basic level of care... yes I am being blunt again. Okay not all parents but there is a large percentage that should not be parents.

15-hours is hardly any incentive for parents to go out and find the extra work hours, if any employer can provide such flexible time.

Think about it folks... another government fur-ball is about to be thrown up.
Oh and to add... 15-hours a week is going to be hardly any use at all to parents or the children, many will still go home to a rather basic level of care... yes I am being blunt again. Okay not all parents but there is a large percentage that should not be parents. 15-hours is hardly any incentive for parents to go out and find the extra work hours, if any employer can provide such flexible time. Think about it folks... another government fur-ball is about to be thrown up. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 6

8:05pm Fri 20 Jun 14

underwater says...

Beyond News Forum wrote:
The whole debacle of free places is hard to manage. £4.60 per hour per child with a 1 member of staff to 4 two year old's ratio is not going to get anywhere financially for private nurseries.

Put the maths together... rent of premises, staff and management. It is a no-brainer and a proper government fiddle.

If the government are going to provide free places then they should provide adequate financial compensation to nurseries.

Not only that many of these children or should I say a percentage of these children, and this is an absolute FACT, will be from difficult backgrounds and WILL demand some special attention by staff, thus either MORE staff will be needed to cover for a child or children that are in need of more attention, or the staff will be facing a logistical nightmare.

Even the grants will not be sufficient under the 'provide extra provisions' banner.

In short this scheme is not viable in its current form. CUTS is the big word here... the councils and government make these cuts and have the barefaced cheek to ask private nurseries to take the flack and bare the financial brunt.

Sorry parents this is going to really hurt 'some' of you and I am going to be as blunt and honest with you as I can in the simplest of wording... the fact of the matter is that many of these places as I say will be based on a level of social ineptness, financial background and unskilled parenting. Nurseries are basically being asked to provide the extra care and resources, education and care at a 'special level of care' because 'some parents cannot be bothered. Oh you don't like me saying it but many of us know that this is the truth of the matter.

The government should be providing parenting coaches to teach some parents how to adequately bring up, attend to and educate their children. Nurseries are not glorified parents and nor should they be treated as such by councils or the government who need to grow a pair and get with the program instead of cutting back and 'streamlining' the services on offer.

Mark my words... either the government and councils radically rethink this through and provide private nurseries with adequate finances to make this work, or watch these 'free places' go under as yet another huge and expensive mistake let alone the other accidents that will happen due to staff ratios.
Why should any government provide parenting coaches at the expense of hard working taxpayers. Why not sterilise all the parents if after the first child it is proven they are not capable of rearing it.
[quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: The whole debacle of free places is hard to manage. £4.60 per hour per child with a 1 member of staff to 4 two year old's ratio is not going to get anywhere financially for private nurseries. Put the maths together... rent of premises, staff and management. It is a no-brainer and a proper government fiddle. If the government are going to provide free places then they should provide adequate financial compensation to nurseries. Not only that many of these children or should I say a percentage of these children, and this is an absolute FACT, will be from difficult backgrounds and WILL demand some special attention by staff, thus either MORE staff will be needed to cover for a child or children that are in need of more attention, or the staff will be facing a logistical nightmare. Even the grants will not be sufficient under the 'provide extra provisions' banner. In short this scheme is not viable in its current form. CUTS is the big word here... the councils and government make these cuts and have the barefaced cheek to ask private nurseries to take the flack and bare the financial brunt. Sorry parents this is going to really hurt 'some' of you and I am going to be as blunt and honest with you as I can in the simplest of wording... the fact of the matter is that many of these places as I say will be based on a level of social ineptness, financial background and unskilled parenting. Nurseries are basically being asked to provide the extra care and resources, education and care at a 'special level of care' because 'some parents cannot be bothered. Oh you don't like me saying it but many of us know that this is the truth of the matter. The government should be providing parenting coaches to teach some parents how to adequately bring up, attend to and educate their children. Nurseries are not glorified parents and nor should they be treated as such by councils or the government who need to grow a pair and get with the program instead of cutting back and 'streamlining' the services on offer. Mark my words... either the government and councils radically rethink this through and provide private nurseries with adequate finances to make this work, or watch these 'free places' go under as yet another huge and expensive mistake let alone the other accidents that will happen due to staff ratios.[/p][/quote]Why should any government provide parenting coaches at the expense of hard working taxpayers. Why not sterilise all the parents if after the first child it is proven they are not capable of rearing it. underwater
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8:15pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Beyond News Forum says...

And another thing... when the government says it wants children to be 'school ready' by time they leave nursery... can I have a show of hands as to who knows what this means?

No?

The basics people... the basics.

Children should know how to put their coat on, get dressed, go to the toilet and communicate - is what the government states.

This is the job of a 'parent' no? Well this is part of the nursery big ask you see... lol@some parenting skills.

Yes I am being brutally honest... some parents should be ashamed of themselves.
And another thing... when the government says it wants children to be 'school ready' by time they leave nursery... can I have a show of hands as to who knows what this means? No? The basics people... the basics. Children should know how to put their coat on, get dressed, go to the toilet and communicate - is what the government states. This is the job of a 'parent' no? Well this is part of the nursery big ask you see... lol@some parenting skills. Yes I am being brutally honest... some parents should be ashamed of themselves. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 8

8:16pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Beyond News Forum says...

underwater wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
The whole debacle of free places is hard to manage. £4.60 per hour per child with a 1 member of staff to 4 two year old's ratio is not going to get anywhere financially for private nurseries.

Put the maths together... rent of premises, staff and management. It is a no-brainer and a proper government fiddle.

If the government are going to provide free places then they should provide adequate financial compensation to nurseries.

Not only that many of these children or should I say a percentage of these children, and this is an absolute FACT, will be from difficult backgrounds and WILL demand some special attention by staff, thus either MORE staff will be needed to cover for a child or children that are in need of more attention, or the staff will be facing a logistical nightmare.

Even the grants will not be sufficient under the 'provide extra provisions' banner.

In short this scheme is not viable in its current form. CUTS is the big word here... the councils and government make these cuts and have the barefaced cheek to ask private nurseries to take the flack and bare the financial brunt.

Sorry parents this is going to really hurt 'some' of you and I am going to be as blunt and honest with you as I can in the simplest of wording... the fact of the matter is that many of these places as I say will be based on a level of social ineptness, financial background and unskilled parenting. Nurseries are basically being asked to provide the extra care and resources, education and care at a 'special level of care' because 'some parents cannot be bothered. Oh you don't like me saying it but many of us know that this is the truth of the matter.

The government should be providing parenting coaches to teach some parents how to adequately bring up, attend to and educate their children. Nurseries are not glorified parents and nor should they be treated as such by councils or the government who need to grow a pair and get with the program instead of cutting back and 'streamlining' the services on offer.

Mark my words... either the government and councils radically rethink this through and provide private nurseries with adequate finances to make this work, or watch these 'free places' go under as yet another huge and expensive mistake let alone the other accidents that will happen due to staff ratios.
Why should any government provide parenting coaches at the expense of hard working taxpayers. Why not sterilise all the parents if after the first child it is proven they are not capable of rearing it.
Not arguing with you mate... lol
[quote][p][bold]underwater[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: The whole debacle of free places is hard to manage. £4.60 per hour per child with a 1 member of staff to 4 two year old's ratio is not going to get anywhere financially for private nurseries. Put the maths together... rent of premises, staff and management. It is a no-brainer and a proper government fiddle. If the government are going to provide free places then they should provide adequate financial compensation to nurseries. Not only that many of these children or should I say a percentage of these children, and this is an absolute FACT, will be from difficult backgrounds and WILL demand some special attention by staff, thus either MORE staff will be needed to cover for a child or children that are in need of more attention, or the staff will be facing a logistical nightmare. Even the grants will not be sufficient under the 'provide extra provisions' banner. In short this scheme is not viable in its current form. CUTS is the big word here... the councils and government make these cuts and have the barefaced cheek to ask private nurseries to take the flack and bare the financial brunt. Sorry parents this is going to really hurt 'some' of you and I am going to be as blunt and honest with you as I can in the simplest of wording... the fact of the matter is that many of these places as I say will be based on a level of social ineptness, financial background and unskilled parenting. Nurseries are basically being asked to provide the extra care and resources, education and care at a 'special level of care' because 'some parents cannot be bothered. Oh you don't like me saying it but many of us know that this is the truth of the matter. The government should be providing parenting coaches to teach some parents how to adequately bring up, attend to and educate their children. Nurseries are not glorified parents and nor should they be treated as such by councils or the government who need to grow a pair and get with the program instead of cutting back and 'streamlining' the services on offer. Mark my words... either the government and councils radically rethink this through and provide private nurseries with adequate finances to make this work, or watch these 'free places' go under as yet another huge and expensive mistake let alone the other accidents that will happen due to staff ratios.[/p][/quote]Why should any government provide parenting coaches at the expense of hard working taxpayers. Why not sterilise all the parents if after the first child it is proven they are not capable of rearing it.[/p][/quote]Not arguing with you mate... lol Beyond News Forum
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