Backlash as Bolton adopts new 'universal credit' benefits system

Backlash as Bolton adopts new 'universal credit' benefits system

Backlash as Bolton adopts new 'universal credit' benefits system

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JOBSEEKERS in Bolton today become the next to join the government’s benefits system “revolution” — despite a backlash from politicians and charities.

Universal credit will be introduced at Bolton’s two Jobcentres in Great Moor Street and Blackhorse Street from today.

The new payment will merge six benefits — jobseekers’ allowance, housing benefit, income support, employment and support allowance and working tax and child tax credit — which will be paid directly to claimants’ bank accounts once a month.

Welfare reform minister Lord David Freud said the government was rolling out the “ground breaking” reform across the north west, and that the new system will ensure people are better off if they are in work rather than on welfare.

Initially, they will be dealing with just “simple” claims — covering people who are unemployed, seeking work and single, before a full rollout.

Lord Freud said: “With record numbers of people in work, universal credit is destined to play a huge part in helping to build a stronger and more resilient economy for the future as part of our long-term plan.

“Under universal credit, claimants are given support that is tailored to their individual needs, and they can now rest assured that when they increase their hours they will be better off financially, rather than fearing their benefits will be cut as a consequence of taking on more work.”

The rollout of universal credit has been fraught with difficulties.

Cabinet minister Ian Duncan Smith announced in December that more than £40 million had been written off on software and computing costs for its implementation.

Last week, shadow work and pensions secretary Rachel Reeves said Labour would “pause” the reform if it got into power in May, 2015, over fears it was massively over budget — a suggestion dismissed as “baffling” by Lord Freud.

Bolton West MP Julie Hilling said there needs to be proper provision in place before a roll-out in the north west to prevent another “fiasco” akin to the personal independence payments, in which many people have faced months of delays before receiving benefits.

Ms Hilling added: “The proposed role out of universal credit here in the north west is a huge concern to me due to the government’s incompetence, as every milestone of its introduction has been missed so far.

“We need Iain Duncan Smith and the government to take responsibility for the scheme and ensure provision for universal credit is in place before it is rolled out fully.”

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9:01am Mon 30 Jun 14

wsw69 says...

This is going to be a 8alls-up.

£40 million of UK tax payers cash squandered down the pot and most probably lined the pockets of private businesses.

Sooner these clueless 8astards are out of office the better!
This is going to be a 8alls-up. £40 million of UK tax payers cash squandered down the pot and most probably lined the pockets of private businesses. Sooner these clueless 8astards are out of office the better! wsw69
  • Score: 44

9:11am Mon 30 Jun 14

imagnation1 says...

millions spent on another Government scheme ''revolution'' they are calling it, shame on them.
Why can't they invest the money in the young who are jobless, many I know want to work and gain skills.. its a sad day.
millions spent on another Government scheme ''revolution'' they are calling it, shame on them. Why can't they invest the money in the young who are jobless, many I know want to work and gain skills.. its a sad day. imagnation1
  • Score: 46

9:54am Mon 30 Jun 14

johnnykilroy4 says...

It's going to be like the 80s all over again the rich get richer and the poor get poorer this government haven't got a clue !!! its all about big ideas to them.😡
It's going to be like the 80s all over again the rich get richer and the poor get poorer this government haven't got a clue !!! its all about big ideas to them.😡 johnnykilroy4
  • Score: 35

10:02am Mon 30 Jun 14

7H3 541N7 says...

The tories are doing an immense job of killing the country again whilst fudging stats to show what an amazing job they are doing. Drop the number of people claiming benefits instantly by just cutting everyone's benefits. I work full time and am not eligible for anything and even I can see this scheme is disgusting. It's fine "in principle" but as usual the tories and IDS don't want it to be a good, just or helpful system they just want people off benefits through fair means of foul, mostly foul. IDS can claim expenses for a breakfast that's approx half a weeks jsa but the the job seekers are the "scroungers". This government and IDS especially are disgusting. Since coming to power more and more vulnerable people have taken their lives directly because of actions from the DWP under IDS and the tories. Sickening.
The tories are doing an immense job of killing the country again whilst fudging stats to show what an amazing job they are doing. Drop the number of people claiming benefits instantly by just cutting everyone's benefits. I work full time and am not eligible for anything and even I can see this scheme is disgusting. It's fine "in principle" but as usual the tories and IDS don't want it to be a good, just or helpful system they just want people off benefits through fair means of foul, mostly foul. IDS can claim expenses for a breakfast that's approx half a weeks jsa but the the job seekers are the "scroungers". This government and IDS especially are disgusting. Since coming to power more and more vulnerable people have taken their lives directly because of actions from the DWP under IDS and the tories. Sickening. 7H3 541N7
  • Score: 53

10:16am Mon 30 Jun 14

wsw69 says...

7H3 541N7 wrote:
The tories are doing an immense job of killing the country again whilst fudging stats to show what an amazing job they are doing. Drop the number of people claiming benefits instantly by just cutting everyone's benefits. I work full time and am not eligible for anything and even I can see this scheme is disgusting. It's fine "in principle" but as usual the tories and IDS don't want it to be a good, just or helpful system they just want people off benefits through fair means of foul, mostly foul. IDS can claim expenses for a breakfast that's approx half a weeks jsa but the the job seekers are the "scroungers". This government and IDS especially are disgusting. Since coming to power more and more vulnerable people have taken their lives directly because of actions from the DWP under IDS and the tories. Sickening.
Spot-on. It's a 'repeat' of what Margaret Snatcher and her Tory mob did in the 80's.

Ian Duncan Smith is a selfish, useless parasite.

The squandered £40+ million will take some recouping, let alone whatever their targets are with this policy.
[quote][p][bold]7H3 541N7[/bold] wrote: The tories are doing an immense job of killing the country again whilst fudging stats to show what an amazing job they are doing. Drop the number of people claiming benefits instantly by just cutting everyone's benefits. I work full time and am not eligible for anything and even I can see this scheme is disgusting. It's fine "in principle" but as usual the tories and IDS don't want it to be a good, just or helpful system they just want people off benefits through fair means of foul, mostly foul. IDS can claim expenses for a breakfast that's approx half a weeks jsa but the the job seekers are the "scroungers". This government and IDS especially are disgusting. Since coming to power more and more vulnerable people have taken their lives directly because of actions from the DWP under IDS and the tories. Sickening.[/p][/quote]Spot-on. It's a 'repeat' of what Margaret Snatcher and her Tory mob did in the 80's. Ian Duncan Smith is a selfish, useless parasite. The squandered £40+ million will take some recouping, let alone whatever their targets are with this policy. wsw69
  • Score: 40

10:31am Mon 30 Jun 14

imagnation1 says...

What is needed is not a revolution in the opposite direction, but the opposite of a revolution... for all.
What is needed is not a revolution in the opposite direction, but the opposite of a revolution... for all. imagnation1
  • Score: -13

11:07am Mon 30 Jun 14

The Running Man says...

imagnation1 wrote:
What is needed is not a revolution in the opposite direction, but the opposite of a revolution... for all.
What on earth does that mean?
[quote][p][bold]imagnation1[/bold] wrote: What is needed is not a revolution in the opposite direction, but the opposite of a revolution... for all.[/p][/quote]What on earth does that mean? The Running Man
  • Score: 30

11:46am Mon 30 Jun 14

imagnation1 says...

The Running Man wrote:
imagnation1 wrote:
What is needed is not a revolution in the opposite direction, but the opposite of a revolution... for all.
What on earth does that mean?
And your quoting do an English Course.... mmm
[quote][p][bold]The Running Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]imagnation1[/bold] wrote: What is needed is not a revolution in the opposite direction, but the opposite of a revolution... for all.[/p][/quote]What on earth does that mean?[/p][/quote]And your quoting do an English Course.... mmm imagnation1
  • Score: -13

12:18pm Mon 30 Jun 14

ReginaldLong says...

I think its a good idea, why should it be more lucrative to be out of work than in work? The amount of people who now see a child as a career and a second child as a promotion is sickening. Yes its hard to get a job but there is no need to make benefits more attractive than working.

Need to properly invest in apprenticeships and trades. Stop importing everything and re-open the factories.
Force larger companies to employ school leavers, allow the JobCentre to actually look and apply for jobs like it used to.
Stop or reduce immigration - First Buses advertised in Poland for drivers offering language course, accommodation and a driving licence - offer this to people who live here.
Adopt the same as other countries with their benefits, you cannot claim until you've paid in (tax) for at least 12 months then you can only claim for as long as you have been working.
I think its a good idea, why should it be more lucrative to be out of work than in work? The amount of people who now see a child as a career and a second child as a promotion is sickening. Yes its hard to get a job but there is no need to make benefits more attractive than working. Need to properly invest in apprenticeships and trades. Stop importing everything and re-open the factories. Force larger companies to employ school leavers, allow the JobCentre to actually look and apply for jobs like it used to. Stop or reduce immigration - First Buses advertised in Poland for drivers offering language course, accommodation and a driving licence - offer this to people who live here. Adopt the same as other countries with their benefits, you cannot claim until you've paid in (tax) for at least 12 months then you can only claim for as long as you have been working. ReginaldLong
  • Score: 34

12:51pm Mon 30 Jun 14

twowok says...

I work full time but can see that this is so very wrong some people just need to open their eyes. Unfortunately the only thing this government has had any success at is dividing and conquering. Let’s have a go at the immigrants, the unemployed, the single parents, the homeless, in fact let’s just kick anyone while they are down or in a minority because they are easy targets! Lets conveniently forget or brush under the carpet the mess the bankers made, the ‘Benefits’ that MP’s and the royals claim, the taxes that go unpaid by large companies, the mess being made of the NHS, which incidentally the government take money out of ‘Our Money’ so that it will fail.
I work full time but can see that this is so very wrong some people just need to open their eyes. Unfortunately the only thing this government has had any success at is dividing and conquering. Let’s have a go at the immigrants, the unemployed, the single parents, the homeless, in fact let’s just kick anyone while they are down or in a minority because they are easy targets! Lets conveniently forget or brush under the carpet the mess the bankers made, the ‘Benefits’ that MP’s and the royals claim, the taxes that go unpaid by large companies, the mess being made of the NHS, which incidentally the government take money out of ‘Our Money’ so that it will fail. twowok
  • Score: 20

1:11pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Rememberscarborough says...

In theory this would be a great idea but the problem is that all involved have their own agendas.

The government's sole aim is to reduce the benefits budget by any means possible and forget those ordinary decent people who might actually need the money. The unions want to increase their work force and will try their best to undermine any idea that might actually be good for the general public.

The upshot is that all us tax payers end up footing the bill for all the bureaucrats to feather their nests. No wonder we all end up distrusting everything any official has to say on absolutely everything because more than likely they're lying.
In theory this would be a great idea but the problem is that all involved have their own agendas. The government's sole aim is to reduce the benefits budget by any means possible and forget those ordinary decent people who might actually need the money. The unions want to increase their work force and will try their best to undermine any idea that might actually be good for the general public. The upshot is that all us tax payers end up footing the bill for all the bureaucrats to feather their nests. No wonder we all end up distrusting everything any official has to say on absolutely everything because more than likely they're lying. Rememberscarborough
  • Score: 6

1:16pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Terry McC says...

Going to shoot themselves in the foot can just see the smack heads when they get a grand in the bank at the end of the month going down the housing to pay the rent
Going to shoot themselves in the foot can just see the smack heads when they get a grand in the bank at the end of the month going down the housing to pay the rent Terry McC
  • Score: 17

2:29pm Mon 30 Jun 14

mililly says...

actually they dont get a grand a month. a single persons allowance is 249. id they have and housing to pay its not all paid only some of it..on the other jand people with 3 or more kids. an be raking it in which is totally wrong gives none of tthem any incentive to go get a job..
actually they dont get a grand a month. a single persons allowance is 249. id they have and housing to pay its not all paid only some of it..on the other jand people with 3 or more kids. an be raking it in which is totally wrong gives none of tthem any incentive to go get a job.. mililly
  • Score: 1

3:41pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Comment777 says...

I have just read the guilty verdicts against Rolf Harris. Another failure of the British jury system. Found guilty on 12 counts including one involving his daughter's friend who attempted to build a relationship with Mr Harris. Others prepared to tell their story for money which obviously mitigates the pain and embarrassment they must endure even more so since informing millions of viewers.
Quote from BN tonight:

But the downfall of an entertainer who was part of millions of British childhoods came today, as Harris became the BIGGEST SCALP claimed by detectives from high profile sex crime investigation Operation Yewtree.
(capital letters mine)...says it all really the Police as always are on he hunt for the next conviction in the name of their personal gain.
I have just read the guilty verdicts against Rolf Harris. Another failure of the British jury system. Found guilty on 12 counts including one involving his daughter's friend who attempted to build a relationship with Mr Harris. Others prepared to tell their story for money which obviously mitigates the pain and embarrassment they must endure even more so since informing millions of viewers. Quote from BN tonight: But the downfall of an entertainer who was part of millions of British childhoods came today, as Harris became the BIGGEST SCALP claimed by detectives from high profile sex crime investigation Operation Yewtree. (capital letters mine)...says it all really the Police as always are on he hunt for the next conviction in the name of their personal gain. Comment777
  • Score: -5

5:17pm Mon 30 Jun 14

David 1957 says...

To all the people who have lost their jobs through the tory cutbacks and then finding out they cant claim anything dont vote for them next year
To all the people who have lost their jobs through the tory cutbacks and then finding out they cant claim anything dont vote for them next year David 1957
  • Score: 17

6:05pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Terry McC says...

mililly wrote:
actually they dont get a grand a month. a single persons allowance is 249. id they have and housing to pay its not all paid only some of it..on the other jand people with 3 or more kids. an be raking it in which is totally wrong gives none of tthem any incentive to go get a job..
even if you are single they will pay your benefits plus your housing benefit in to your account point is this is how people are going to mess up i have seen it done when you fill out the form and it says do you want your housing benefit payed direct to you or your landlord its madness
[quote][p][bold]mililly[/bold] wrote: actually they dont get a grand a month. a single persons allowance is 249. id they have and housing to pay its not all paid only some of it..on the other jand people with 3 or more kids. an be raking it in which is totally wrong gives none of tthem any incentive to go get a job..[/p][/quote]even if you are single they will pay your benefits plus your housing benefit in to your account point is this is how people are going to mess up i have seen it done when you fill out the form and it says do you want your housing benefit payed direct to you or your landlord its madness Terry McC
  • Score: 0

6:58pm Mon 30 Jun 14

artistpaint says...

What a joke uni credit is.rip off the poor.while the **** in parliament fiddle expenses let any **** in pass dubious planning for mosks.mmm somfing going on..
What a joke uni credit is.rip off the poor.while the **** in parliament fiddle expenses let any **** in pass dubious planning for mosks.mmm somfing going on.. artistpaint
  • Score: 4

7:01pm Mon 30 Jun 14

artistpaint says...

The way things are going on theres going to be and needs to be a revolt of the people coz were all getting a little **** off with all the coruption.
The way things are going on theres going to be and needs to be a revolt of the people coz were all getting a little **** off with all the coruption. artistpaint
  • Score: 8

7:09pm Mon 30 Jun 14

artistpaint says...

The north built the south of uk....mps get free expenses free dinners free anything.send billions in aid overseas.lets make mps work for a living.
The north built the south of uk....mps get free expenses free dinners free anything.send billions in aid overseas.lets make mps work for a living. artistpaint
  • Score: 10

7:29pm Mon 30 Jun 14

JustBecause says...

johnnykilroy4 wrote:
It's going to be like the 80s all over again the rich get richer and the poor get poorer this government haven't got a clue !!! its all about big ideas to them.😡
Nowt wrong with the rich getting richer :)
[quote][p][bold]johnnykilroy4[/bold] wrote: It's going to be like the 80s all over again the rich get richer and the poor get poorer this government haven't got a clue !!! its all about big ideas to them.😡[/p][/quote]Nowt wrong with the rich getting richer :) JustBecause
  • Score: -12

8:55pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Reed Lover says...

There's too much handwringing where benefits are concerned. If people didn't abuse the system the system wouldn't need to abuse the claimants.
Anyone who can work should work. Whilst £6.50 an hour isn't a fortune, it isn't peanuts and I don't see why claimants should be able to turn any job down. There was a time when a man would rather shovel **** than get a handout, now we have allowed the lazy and feckless to dictate what jobs they will and won't take. They talk of only being a fiver better off by going to work and that is justification for not working. And we tolerate this!
Benefits should be time-bound. Two and a half years to find work them nothing.
There's too much handwringing where benefits are concerned. If people didn't abuse the system the system wouldn't need to abuse the claimants. Anyone who can work should work. Whilst £6.50 an hour isn't a fortune, it isn't peanuts and I don't see why claimants should be able to turn any job down. There was a time when a man would rather shovel **** than get a handout, now we have allowed the lazy and feckless to dictate what jobs they will and won't take. They talk of only being a fiver better off by going to work and that is justification for not working. And we tolerate this! Benefits should be time-bound. Two and a half years to find work them nothing. Reed Lover
  • Score: 5

9:53pm Mon 30 Jun 14

mililly says...

Terry McC wrote:
mililly wrote:
actually they dont get a grand a month. a single persons allowance is 249. id they have and housing to pay its not all paid only some of it..on the other jand people with 3 or more kids. an be raking it in which is totally wrong gives none of tthem any incentive to go get a job..
even if you are single they will pay your benefits plus your housing benefit in to your account point is this is how people are going to mess up i have seen it done when you fill out the form and it says do you want your housing benefit payed direct to you or your landlord its madness
Iagree with you totally and once families and other things start to get involved this is when the trouble will start.im not totally against it as I think people should take responsibility fof their own money but as usual it will be the genuine people who will suffer
[quote][p][bold]Terry McC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mililly[/bold] wrote: actually they dont get a grand a month. a single persons allowance is 249. id they have and housing to pay its not all paid only some of it..on the other jand people with 3 or more kids. an be raking it in which is totally wrong gives none of tthem any incentive to go get a job..[/p][/quote]even if you are single they will pay your benefits plus your housing benefit in to your account point is this is how people are going to mess up i have seen it done when you fill out the form and it says do you want your housing benefit payed direct to you or your landlord its madness[/p][/quote]Iagree with you totally and once families and other things start to get involved this is when the trouble will start.im not totally against it as I think people should take responsibility fof their own money but as usual it will be the genuine people who will suffer mililly
  • Score: 2

9:55pm Mon 30 Jun 14

mililly says...

Reed Lover wrote:
There's too much handwringing where benefits are concerned. If people didn't abuse the system the system wouldn't need to abuse the claimants.
Anyone who can work should work. Whilst £6.50 an hour isn't a fortune, it isn't peanuts and I don't see why claimants should be able to turn any job down. There was a time when a man would rather shovel **** than get a handout, now we have allowed the lazy and feckless to dictate what jobs they will and won't take. They talk of only being a fiver better off by going to work and that is justification for not working. And we tolerate this!
Benefits should be time-bound. Two and a half years to find work them nothing.
Exactly..
[quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: There's too much handwringing where benefits are concerned. If people didn't abuse the system the system wouldn't need to abuse the claimants. Anyone who can work should work. Whilst £6.50 an hour isn't a fortune, it isn't peanuts and I don't see why claimants should be able to turn any job down. There was a time when a man would rather shovel **** than get a handout, now we have allowed the lazy and feckless to dictate what jobs they will and won't take. They talk of only being a fiver better off by going to work and that is justification for not working. And we tolerate this! Benefits should be time-bound. Two and a half years to find work them nothing.[/p][/quote]Exactly.. mililly
  • Score: 2

10:56pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Beyond News Forum says...

The time-bomb is ticking down to all out social disorder...

Anybody seeing the global anti-austerity protests gaining popularity on the mainstream news? Nope thought not.

I work... but this shyte is terrible. The Conservatives are feeding on lobby cash and backhanders. We need more whistleblowers... oh oops they put laws in about whistleblowing... just do not get caught.
The time-bomb is ticking down to all out social disorder... Anybody seeing the global anti-austerity protests gaining popularity on the mainstream news? Nope thought not. I work... but this shyte is terrible. The Conservatives are feeding on lobby cash and backhanders. We need more whistleblowers... oh oops they put laws in about whistleblowing... just do not get caught. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 1

10:57pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Beyond News Forum says...

mililly wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
There's too much handwringing where benefits are concerned. If people didn't abuse the system the system wouldn't need to abuse the claimants.
Anyone who can work should work. Whilst £6.50 an hour isn't a fortune, it isn't peanuts and I don't see why claimants should be able to turn any job down. There was a time when a man would rather shovel **** than get a handout, now we have allowed the lazy and feckless to dictate what jobs they will and won't take. They talk of only being a fiver better off by going to work and that is justification for not working. And we tolerate this!
Benefits should be time-bound. Two and a half years to find work them nothing.
Exactly..
But I do agree with this in principle.
[quote][p][bold]mililly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: There's too much handwringing where benefits are concerned. If people didn't abuse the system the system wouldn't need to abuse the claimants. Anyone who can work should work. Whilst £6.50 an hour isn't a fortune, it isn't peanuts and I don't see why claimants should be able to turn any job down. There was a time when a man would rather shovel **** than get a handout, now we have allowed the lazy and feckless to dictate what jobs they will and won't take. They talk of only being a fiver better off by going to work and that is justification for not working. And we tolerate this! Benefits should be time-bound. Two and a half years to find work them nothing.[/p][/quote]Exactly..[/p][/quote]But I do agree with this in principle. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: -1

11:27pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Citizen Cane says...

Reed Lover sums up the reality of the situation. Force the feckless to work rather than bringing immigrants in to do it instead.
Reed Lover sums up the reality of the situation. Force the feckless to work rather than bringing immigrants in to do it instead. Citizen Cane
  • Score: 8

12:47am Tue 1 Jul 14

crazyoldme says...

Been unemployed for 3 months now, I am struggling as it is living off Jobseekers. Getting paid monthly is really going to mess things up and really P**s me off. The only work I've been able to find is working for agencies and when they find me work it doesn't last long then I'm back to the jobcentre on and off all the time. This is really going to fk my life up. :'(
Been unemployed for 3 months now, I am struggling as it is living off Jobseekers. Getting paid monthly is really going to mess things up and really P**s me off. The only work I've been able to find is working for agencies and when they find me work it doesn't last long then I'm back to the jobcentre on and off all the time. This is really going to fk my life up. :'( crazyoldme
  • Score: 7

1:13am Tue 1 Jul 14

johnnykilroy4 says...

JustBecause wrote:
johnnykilroy4 wrote:
It's going to be like the 80s all over again the rich get richer and the poor get poorer this government haven't got a clue !!! its all about big ideas to them.😡
Nowt wrong with the rich getting richer :)
Some people are just ignorant poor ignorance's !!!!! Get ready for the real world. !!!!
[quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnnykilroy4[/bold] wrote: It's going to be like the 80s all over again the rich get richer and the poor get poorer this government haven't got a clue !!! its all about big ideas to them.😡[/p][/quote]Nowt wrong with the rich getting richer :)[/p][/quote]Some people are just ignorant poor ignorance's !!!!! Get ready for the real world. !!!! johnnykilroy4
  • Score: -3

7:31am Tue 1 Jul 14

breightmet kid says...

Why is it that most of those washing cars at closed down garages foreigners? Why does the government not introduce a work related learning/experience scheme for all those out of work and under 21? Why do you think the DWAP want to pay allowances monthly to bank accounts?

Answers 1) because we are a lazy nation and let these people do it.
2) because they have no idea of how to implement it
3) because they want control and know everything about everyone.

What we need is a government and civil servants who actually care about all of the people in this country and who know how people actually spend their money, what little they have.

For those lucky enough to be working they pay one third of their gross income in tax, the other two thirds is again taxed at various sources especially VAT, and petrol is taxed three times. Clever people these politicians.
Why is it that most of those washing cars at closed down garages foreigners? Why does the government not introduce a work related learning/experience scheme for all those out of work and under 21? Why do you think the DWAP want to pay allowances monthly to bank accounts? Answers 1) because we are a lazy nation and let these people do it. 2) because they have no idea of how to implement it 3) because they want control and know everything about everyone. What we need is a government and civil servants who actually care about all of the people in this country and who know how people actually spend their money, what little they have. For those lucky enough to be working they pay one third of their gross income in tax, the other two thirds is again taxed at various sources especially VAT, and petrol is taxed three times. Clever people these politicians. breightmet kid
  • Score: 5

8:17am Tue 1 Jul 14

JustBecause says...

Reed Lover wrote:
There's too much handwringing where benefits are concerned. If people didn't abuse the system the system wouldn't need to abuse the claimants.
Anyone who can work should work. Whilst £6.50 an hour isn't a fortune, it isn't peanuts and I don't see why claimants should be able to turn any job down. There was a time when a man would rather shovel **** than get a handout, now we have allowed the lazy and feckless to dictate what jobs they will and won't take. They talk of only being a fiver better off by going to work and that is justification for not working. And we tolerate this!
Benefits should be time-bound. Two and a half years to find work them nothing.
Benefits should also be means tested, if you can afford fags, sky, mobiles , kids draped in designer gear, then it's all taken into account and adjusted accordingly, lots of people see it as a lifestyle choice.
[quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: There's too much handwringing where benefits are concerned. If people didn't abuse the system the system wouldn't need to abuse the claimants. Anyone who can work should work. Whilst £6.50 an hour isn't a fortune, it isn't peanuts and I don't see why claimants should be able to turn any job down. There was a time when a man would rather shovel **** than get a handout, now we have allowed the lazy and feckless to dictate what jobs they will and won't take. They talk of only being a fiver better off by going to work and that is justification for not working. And we tolerate this! Benefits should be time-bound. Two and a half years to find work them nothing.[/p][/quote]Benefits should also be means tested, if you can afford fags, sky, mobiles , kids draped in designer gear, then it's all taken into account and adjusted accordingly, lots of people see it as a lifestyle choice. JustBecause
  • Score: 7

7:14pm Tue 1 Jul 14

JustBecause says...

johnnykilroy4 wrote:
JustBecause wrote:
johnnykilroy4 wrote:
It's going to be like the 80s all over again the rich get richer and the poor get poorer this government haven't got a clue !!! its all about big ideas to them.😡
Nowt wrong with the rich getting richer :)
Some people are just ignorant poor ignorance's !!!!! Get ready for the real world. !!!!
Ignorant of what ?

Most, granted not all, but most rich people work hard to get what they have, and get slated and taxed for it in UK

What's wrong with making yourself rich ?? If the poor haven't got the intelligence to deal with their own life's then that's their problem, don't beat up the ones who get on with it without gripping.

For the record, I have had 2 weeks holiday, 2x1week, in eight years, I am entitled to be wealthy after the work and sacrifice put in over the years, but people don't see that they see nice cars and stuff and it's all negative negative, negative.

People need to start taking responsibility for their own life's outcome, get off their arses and stop moaning.
[quote][p][bold]johnnykilroy4[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnnykilroy4[/bold] wrote: It's going to be like the 80s all over again the rich get richer and the poor get poorer this government haven't got a clue !!! its all about big ideas to them.😡[/p][/quote]Nowt wrong with the rich getting richer :)[/p][/quote]Some people are just ignorant poor ignorance's !!!!! Get ready for the real world. !!!![/p][/quote]Ignorant of what ? Most, granted not all, but most rich people work hard to get what they have, and get slated and taxed for it in UK What's wrong with making yourself rich ?? If the poor haven't got the intelligence to deal with their own life's then that's their problem, don't beat up the ones who get on with it without gripping. For the record, I have had 2 weeks holiday, 2x1week, in eight years, I am entitled to be wealthy after the work and sacrifice put in over the years, but people don't see that they see nice cars and stuff and it's all negative negative, negative. People need to start taking responsibility for their own life's outcome, get off their arses and stop moaning. JustBecause
  • Score: 11

8:29pm Tue 1 Jul 14

littlepanda says...

My husband, who is newly unemployed, went down to the jobcentre today to see if he could get some benefit while he finds a new job. He was directed to the computers and told to fill in the online claim form.
The JSA claim form told him that he couldn't claim because he lives in the Bolton area and redirected him to the Universal Credit claim form. As soon as he filled in his postcode on the Universal Credit claim, he was told it was not available in the Bolton area and redirected back to the JSA form. Neither claim form would let him apply due to him living in Bolton. The chap on the computer next to him was having exactly the same problem.
When he explained this the the Jobcentre staff, they were no help at all and told him he had to use the computers to claim. So basically, if you find yourself newly unemployed in Bolton, good luck, because you cannot currently claim either benefit using the government website.
My husband, who is newly unemployed, went down to the jobcentre today to see if he could get some benefit while he finds a new job. He was directed to the computers and told to fill in the online claim form. The JSA claim form told him that he couldn't claim because he lives in the Bolton area and redirected him to the Universal Credit claim form. As soon as he filled in his postcode on the Universal Credit claim, he was told it was not available in the Bolton area and redirected back to the JSA form. Neither claim form would let him apply due to him living in Bolton. The chap on the computer next to him was having exactly the same problem. When he explained this the the Jobcentre staff, they were no help at all and told him he had to use the computers to claim. So basically, if you find yourself newly unemployed in Bolton, good luck, because you cannot currently claim either benefit using the government website. littlepanda
  • Score: 2

10:42pm Tue 1 Jul 14

johnnykilroy4 says...

JustBecause wrote:
johnnykilroy4 wrote:
JustBecause wrote:
johnnykilroy4 wrote:
It's going to be like the 80s all over again the rich get richer and the poor get poorer this government haven't got a clue !!! its all about big ideas to them.😡
Nowt wrong with the rich getting richer :)
Some people are just ignorant poor ignorance's !!!!! Get ready for the real world. !!!!
Ignorant of what ?

Most, granted not all, but most rich people work hard to get what they have, and get slated and taxed for it in UK

What's wrong with making yourself rich ?? If the poor haven't got the intelligence to deal with their own life's then that's their problem, don't beat up the ones who get on with it without gripping.

For the record, I have had 2 weeks holiday, 2x1week, in eight years, I am entitled to be wealthy after the work and sacrifice put in over the years, but people don't see that they see nice cars and stuff and it's all negative negative, negative.

People need to start taking responsibility for their own life's outcome, get off their arses and stop moaning.
That's what divided this country up people who work think there better then them who don't work calling them lazy! You've never lived on benefits you don't know what's it like i have lived on benefits after i lost my job due to government cuts i used to have a nice cars nice house but had to sell them off to make ends meat but now I'm back in work so think of other people instead of thinking of yourself! Yes it ok when your rich but when you lose everything one day it isn't think about it!
[quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnnykilroy4[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnnykilroy4[/bold] wrote: It's going to be like the 80s all over again the rich get richer and the poor get poorer this government haven't got a clue !!! its all about big ideas to them.😡[/p][/quote]Nowt wrong with the rich getting richer :)[/p][/quote]Some people are just ignorant poor ignorance's !!!!! Get ready for the real world. !!!![/p][/quote]Ignorant of what ? Most, granted not all, but most rich people work hard to get what they have, and get slated and taxed for it in UK What's wrong with making yourself rich ?? If the poor haven't got the intelligence to deal with their own life's then that's their problem, don't beat up the ones who get on with it without gripping. For the record, I have had 2 weeks holiday, 2x1week, in eight years, I am entitled to be wealthy after the work and sacrifice put in over the years, but people don't see that they see nice cars and stuff and it's all negative negative, negative. People need to start taking responsibility for their own life's outcome, get off their arses and stop moaning.[/p][/quote]That's what divided this country up people who work think there better then them who don't work calling them lazy! You've never lived on benefits you don't know what's it like i have lived on benefits after i lost my job due to government cuts i used to have a nice cars nice house but had to sell them off to make ends meat but now I'm back in work so think of other people instead of thinking of yourself! Yes it ok when your rich but when you lose everything one day it isn't think about it! johnnykilroy4
  • Score: 1

11:45am Wed 2 Jul 14

colournature says...

i am writing this in the hope that someone somewhere will do something - im a single mum and i dont work since i had to give up my job a few years ago and ive been trying to find work ever since - I cant claim benefits and I live off nothing but a big loan . i owe 1,000 in council tax and have debt problems - my daughter self harms as we have no money and no food-
why can t i calim you may ask ? its becasue i have an 2 houses apart from the one where i already live - i dont have ANY savings but thats the reason - I found out last year i was entitled to the child element of tax credits - it is 400 pounds a month - my mortgage is 422 a month and my cummunity charge is 92. My ex lives in the other house and the other one is now empty - it was tenanted but the tenants messed it up and moved out - im at breaking point -
I wanted to do a course at college but it cost me too much so i cant even re train - i am so depressed - I do 10 hours a week voluntary work as well a week
i spoke to an MP about this and they said they would call me back but I dont have a mobile or line to contact anyone -
I just wish i could get some work so I can take the kids away for a day out and my daughter to stop self harming -and pya off i will do cleaning work or anything - when univeersal credit comes it will be not worth me living on the earth
i am writing this in the hope that someone somewhere will do something - im a single mum and i dont work since i had to give up my job a few years ago and ive been trying to find work ever since - I cant claim benefits and I live off nothing but a big loan . i owe 1,000 in council tax and have debt problems - my daughter self harms as we have no money and no food- why can t i calim you may ask ? its becasue i have an 2 houses apart from the one where i already live - i dont have ANY savings but thats the reason - I found out last year i was entitled to the child element of tax credits - it is 400 pounds a month - my mortgage is 422 a month and my cummunity charge is 92. My ex lives in the other house and the other one is now empty - it was tenanted but the tenants messed it up and moved out - im at breaking point - I wanted to do a course at college but it cost me too much so i cant even re train - i am so depressed - I do 10 hours a week voluntary work as well a week i spoke to an MP about this and they said they would call me back but I dont have a mobile or line to contact anyone - I just wish i could get some work so I can take the kids away for a day out and my daughter to stop self harming -and pya off i will do cleaning work or anything - when univeersal credit comes it will be not worth me living on the earth colournature
  • Score: 0

1:35pm Wed 2 Jul 14

boltonfree says...

Colournature why should you get help? I have an idea sell the other 2 houses and you then have capital unless both are in negative equity. Also they are counted as capital as like I said you can sell them or rent them out like you did.
Colournature why should you get help? I have an idea sell the other 2 houses and you then have capital unless both are in negative equity. Also they are counted as capital as like I said you can sell them or rent them out like you did. boltonfree
  • Score: 1

7:05pm Wed 2 Jul 14

mililly says...

colournature wrote:
i am writing this in the hope that someone somewhere will do something - im a single mum and i dont work since i had to give up my job a few years ago and ive been trying to find work ever since - I cant claim benefits and I live off nothing but a big loan . i owe 1,000 in council tax and have debt problems - my daughter self harms as we have no money and no food-
why can t i calim you may ask ? its becasue i have an 2 houses apart from the one where i already live - i dont have ANY savings but thats the reason - I found out last year i was entitled to the child element of tax credits - it is 400 pounds a month - my mortgage is 422 a month and my cummunity charge is 92. My ex lives in the other house and the other one is now empty - it was tenanted but the tenants messed it up and moved out - im at breaking point -
I wanted to do a course at college but it cost me too much so i cant even re train - i am so depressed - I do 10 hours a week voluntary work as well a week
i spoke to an MP about this and they said they would call me back but I dont have a mobile or line to contact anyone -
I just wish i could get some work so I can take the kids away for a day out and my daughter to stop self harming -and pya off i will do cleaning work or anything - when univeersal credit comes it will be not worth me living on the earth
Why cant you sell one of the otber houses to raise some cash?
[quote][p][bold]colournature[/bold] wrote: i am writing this in the hope that someone somewhere will do something - im a single mum and i dont work since i had to give up my job a few years ago and ive been trying to find work ever since - I cant claim benefits and I live off nothing but a big loan . i owe 1,000 in council tax and have debt problems - my daughter self harms as we have no money and no food- why can t i calim you may ask ? its becasue i have an 2 houses apart from the one where i already live - i dont have ANY savings but thats the reason - I found out last year i was entitled to the child element of tax credits - it is 400 pounds a month - my mortgage is 422 a month and my cummunity charge is 92. My ex lives in the other house and the other one is now empty - it was tenanted but the tenants messed it up and moved out - im at breaking point - I wanted to do a course at college but it cost me too much so i cant even re train - i am so depressed - I do 10 hours a week voluntary work as well a week i spoke to an MP about this and they said they would call me back but I dont have a mobile or line to contact anyone - I just wish i could get some work so I can take the kids away for a day out and my daughter to stop self harming -and pya off i will do cleaning work or anything - when univeersal credit comes it will be not worth me living on the earth[/p][/quote]Why cant you sell one of the otber houses to raise some cash? mililly
  • Score: 2

5:07pm Sun 6 Jul 14

colournature says...

my ex lives in it and he wont sell it and i cant get my name off the mortgage, im not sure if i can sell if the other one will or no - i get very depressed when i see people buying lots of food in the shops and we are living off 20 pound a week food plus i pick berrys and fruit and pears as well as apples - i dont have mobile or internet and use the library as its warm
my ex lives in it and he wont sell it and i cant get my name off the mortgage, im not sure if i can sell if the other one will or no - i get very depressed when i see people buying lots of food in the shops and we are living off 20 pound a week food plus i pick berrys and fruit and pears as well as apples - i dont have mobile or internet and use the library as its warm colournature
  • Score: 0

5:14pm Sun 6 Jul 14

colournature says...

i woukld urge everyone to do this likewise we pick berrys and fruit and as the water is metered you can turn it off and collect rain water and boil it and use that, the electric we can use just candles and we dont have a boiler for heating as it broke down a few years back and i was brought up with just coal fire anyway. if you can grow things you can sell , door to door or at market potatoes and tomatoes and the like.
We never buy clothes from the shops but buy from charity shop if you need anything - and dont use bus to save money - dont have a landland or a mobile or internet or TV and sell what you can if you have anything to sell that will bring in money -
i woukld urge everyone to do this likewise we pick berrys and fruit and as the water is metered you can turn it off and collect rain water and boil it and use that, the electric we can use just candles and we dont have a boiler for heating as it broke down a few years back and i was brought up with just coal fire anyway. if you can grow things you can sell , door to door or at market potatoes and tomatoes and the like. We never buy clothes from the shops but buy from charity shop if you need anything - and dont use bus to save money - dont have a landland or a mobile or internet or TV and sell what you can if you have anything to sell that will bring in money - colournature
  • Score: 0

6:56pm Sun 6 Jul 14

colournature says...

johnnykilroy4 wrote:
JustBecause wrote:
johnnykilroy4 wrote:
JustBecause wrote:
johnnykilroy4 wrote:
It's going to be like the 80s all over again the rich get richer and the poor get poorer this government haven't got a clue !!! its all about big ideas to them.😡
Nowt wrong with the rich getting richer :)
Some people are just ignorant poor ignorance's !!!!! Get ready for the real world. !!!!
Ignorant of what ?

Most, granted not all, but most rich people work hard to get what they have, and get slated and taxed for it in UK

What's wrong with making yourself rich ?? If the poor haven't got the intelligence to deal with their own life's then that's their problem, don't beat up the ones who get on with it without gripping.

For the record, I have had 2 weeks holiday, 2x1week, in eight years, I am entitled to be wealthy after the work and sacrifice put in over the years, but people don't see that they see nice cars and stuff and it's all negative negative, negative.

People need to start taking responsibility for their own life's outcome, get off their arses and stop moaning.
That's what divided this country up people who work think there better then them who don't work calling them lazy! You've never lived on benefits you don't know what's it like i have lived on benefits after i lost my job due to government cuts i used to have a nice cars nice house but had to sell them off to make ends meat but now I'm back in work so think of other people instead of thinking of yourself! Yes it ok when your rich but when you lose everything one day it isn't think about it!
boltonfree says...

Colournature why should you get help? I have an idea sell the other 2 houses and you then have capital unless both are in negative equity. Also they are counted as capital as like I said you can sell them or rent them out like you did.

why should i get help ? indeed maybe I shoudlnt but the next stage for me is probably suicide
[quote][p][bold]johnnykilroy4[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnnykilroy4[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnnykilroy4[/bold] wrote: It's going to be like the 80s all over again the rich get richer and the poor get poorer this government haven't got a clue !!! its all about big ideas to them.😡[/p][/quote]Nowt wrong with the rich getting richer :)[/p][/quote]Some people are just ignorant poor ignorance's !!!!! Get ready for the real world. !!!![/p][/quote]Ignorant of what ? Most, granted not all, but most rich people work hard to get what they have, and get slated and taxed for it in UK What's wrong with making yourself rich ?? If the poor haven't got the intelligence to deal with their own life's then that's their problem, don't beat up the ones who get on with it without gripping. For the record, I have had 2 weeks holiday, 2x1week, in eight years, I am entitled to be wealthy after the work and sacrifice put in over the years, but people don't see that they see nice cars and stuff and it's all negative negative, negative. People need to start taking responsibility for their own life's outcome, get off their arses and stop moaning.[/p][/quote]That's what divided this country up people who work think there better then them who don't work calling them lazy! You've never lived on benefits you don't know what's it like i have lived on benefits after i lost my job due to government cuts i used to have a nice cars nice house but had to sell them off to make ends meat but now I'm back in work so think of other people instead of thinking of yourself! Yes it ok when your rich but when you lose everything one day it isn't think about it![/p][/quote]boltonfree says... Colournature why should you get help? I have an idea sell the other 2 houses and you then have capital unless both are in negative equity. Also they are counted as capital as like I said you can sell them or rent them out like you did. why should i get help ? indeed maybe I shoudlnt but the next stage for me is probably suicide colournature
  • Score: 0

7:00pm Sun 6 Jul 14

colournature says...

oh just to add

im not classifeied an unemployed Im a hidden person as I dont claim anything ,

also unemployed people are not STUPID - a great many of them are clever and have degrees and so forth i have been searching for a job for a two years and i cant find one just keep sending off my cv and im getting no where - its depressing its very very depressing
oh just to add im not classifeied an unemployed Im a hidden person as I dont claim anything , also unemployed people are not STUPID - a great many of them are clever and have degrees and so forth i have been searching for a job for a two years and i cant find one just keep sending off my cv and im getting no where - its depressing its very very depressing colournature
  • Score: 2

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