Live: Bolton Council planning meeting - July 3, 2014 - including Astley Bridge mosque plans

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  • We bring you live updates from Bolton Council's planning committee meeting today. Among the applications being considered are:
  • A large mosque off Blackburn Road, including a dome, minaret tower and 19 classrooms.
  • A controversial five-bedroomed house in Lostock - before the planning committe for the thirteenth time as the developer tries to save it from a demolition order.
  • Plans for more than 300 new homes on a rundown industrial estate in Tonge Moor.
  • The meeting, which is due to start at 2pm, has been moved from the council chamber to the festival hall to accommodate the large number of people expected to attend because of interest in the Astley Bridge mosque.

5:34pm

And that's all from us today, from one of the more eventful planning meetings. Thanks for joining us.

5:33pm

5:26pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Victoriacasper says

I'm absolutely disgusted! I have been refreshing this feed. The meeting finishes at 6pm. But does the writer finish at 5? Just randomly stops reporting! DISGRACE!

Sorry about that Victoria - we had some technical problems earlier. The meeting has now finished. The only thing you've missed is a couple of minor house extensions.

UPDATE - Victoria - I've just e-mailed you...

 

4:57pm

Described as too imposing. It's refused

4:55pm

Recommended for refusal

4:55pm

 

204 Manchester Road, Westhoughton extension up now

 

4:45pm

Refused

4:43pm

Extension on 3 Dover Grove being discussed now. Recommended for refusal. Unacceptable loss of light one of the grounds

 

4:41pm

Application refused by just one vote despite recommended for approval

4:40pm

Cllr Connell describes it as overbearing as it is 

4:37pm

With regard to the last application Cllr Sherrinton said risks needed to be assessed with regard to storage of bins, given fatal fires caused by wheelie bins fires

4:36pm

Another single storey extension up now. This time 174 Armadale Road.

4:34pm

Cllr Peel supported it saying much of it came under the law of general permitted development, only a small part needed permission.

under the law householders can build, in most cases, up to their boundary lines.

4:32pm

Application approved 

4:30pm

Cllr Walsh says he is not happy because causes terracing effect. He moves refusal, and Cllr Sherrington says unusually she supports Cllr Walsh causing laughs 

4:25pm

They were from most affected neighbours

4:24pm

Single storey extension on 126 Ainsworth Lane has had three objections. 

4:21pm

Voting for deferral now, and it's passed

4:20pm

Cllr Peel is in philosophical mood now, pointing out that while this house has come before the committee many times before, it is still their responsibility to treat each application on its own merit, he sees with Cllr Allen and seconds deferral

4:19pm

Cllr Allen criticises the plans presented as inadequate and recommends the committee defer until much more information is provided

4:18pm

He points out that it has yet to be demolished

4:17pm

Cllr Allen reminds the committee that there is a planning enforcement in place to demolish the house and that these plans are  for when that has happened

4:15pm

Big issue is car parking and Cllr Allen says cars used need to be parked within the curtilidge of the property, not on the road as it will cause visibility issues for those exiting nearby roads

4:12pm

Says his priority is to get this finished

4:12pm

Cllr Bob Allen knows the history of this one well, he opens his remarks with 'here we go again'

4:09pm

He says there are inaccuracies in the report

4:07pm

Resident Neil Atkinson is speaking now

4:06pm

Objectors have said the driveway is too narrow, which Mr Berry agrees with 

4:06pm

And here's another pic, showing some of the alteration work:

The Bolton News:

4:05pm

Here's the house:

The Bolton News:

4:05pm

A late objection has been received from the Lostock residents group regarding parking issues

4:05pm

Planning officer Jon Berry is discussing some highways concerns about the driveway to the property

4:02pm

Here's the background

3:59pm

Another biggie now, it's the application for a house at Regent Road that is coming before the committee for a whopping 13th time

3:58pm

For the record, Cllr Critchley was unaware he was making the shadow puppets.....in other news that app has been refused

3:58pm

Cllr Nick Peel has asked Cllr Critchley to stop making shadow puppets with his hands in front of the projector screen, he claims to have seen a horse and a rabbit already, this is real controversy!

3:56pm

Police have declined to speak to us about the alleged assault.

3:56pm

Apologies to Cllr Watters for the typo, these things happen when trying to live blog, make notes and stay hydrated all at the same time

3:56pm

There were about 10 police officers outside the town hall, but that has reduced to about three now.

3:55pm

Members visited the site this morning and has recommend refusal on the plans, he said a Juliet balcony that was there before should be restored and the air unit should be moved

3:54pm

Councillors are now discussing plans for the formation of a roof terrace and the retention of a air source heat pump, whatever that may be, at a house in Ellonby Rise, Lostock

3:53pm

- Outside the meeting, Bryn Morgan, who has been leading protests against the mosque, said "The fight is not over. We intend to request a judicial review of this outcome.

"There was a petition that received 4,800 signatures."

He claims that supporters of the mosque were shouting and laughing that "they had won", but the exchange "stopped short of physical violence".

3:48pm

Here's a picture of the heated exchange between objectors and security in the town hall. One of the objectors tried to knock the iPad out of our reporter's hands as he took this photo.

The Bolton News:

3:46pm

- Going back to the developments outside the town hall - it is understood a woman is complaining to police that she has been assaulted

3:41pm

She said the area needs redeveloping

3:40pm

Cllr Watters recommends approval and it is passed

3:40pm

The people who were thrown out of the town hall have apparently left the area

3:38pm

Officers have recommended approval on this one 

3:38pm

A witness said there was a heated argument between the man and the woman and police.

3:36pm

We're now onto plans for 13 houses at edges farm in Westhoughton which includes the demolition of existing farm buildings

3:36pm

Police are taking notes of what is being said.

3:36pm

Police are talking to a woman and a man outside Bolton Town Hall. As the police walked away, the pair are shouting at police.

3:33pm

Councillors have now returned to the room and we are getting on with the other applications, in front of a significantly reduced audience

3:27pm

The room has emptied entirely now

3:26pm

By the way there were 13 votes for and 6 against in the vote

3:24pm

Not sure what is going on now, all the committee members are still out of the room, understandably tense atmosphere in here

3:22pm

Cries from some people of 'you're corrupt', one Man shouted 'over my dead body this will go ahead'

3:21pm

All the councillors have left the room as security are escorting some people out of the room

3:20pm

It's been approved and it's chaos in here, people are rushing forward to shout at the councillors and someone appeared to throw some money towards the councillors

3:19pm

Voting now, deferral is refused

3:17pm

Cllr Andrew Martin speaking now, says he has approached it with an open mind and he is satisfied that this isa. Replacement facility

3:15pm

Says that in the future he believes there will be more people and that it should be deferred while traffic issues looked at 

3:14pm

Cllr Allen: 'very few of us seem to have any issues with the building itself, I certainly don't, the problems for me arrive solely from parking and highways issues'

3:11pm

Cllr Norman Critchley said the app must be deferred while the traffic problems are sorted out and Cllr Bob Allen agrees with him

3:09pm

The atmosphere has calmed somewhat in the hall, time for a much needed glass of water for me

3:08pm

Chairman Darvesh has stepped in, he says it is impossible to tell the relevance that mosque attendance has on traffic in Blackburn Road because prayer times vary throughout the year

3:06pm

Cllr Richardson received some loud applause for his call to reject the application

3:05pm

He also said that whilst objections can't be made against this application because it is a mosque, he believes it also shouldn't receive special consideration

3:04pm

Sorry all, lost connection there, new UKIP councillor Paul Richardson has been speaking, he has serious issues with parking in the area and believes the application should be refused outright

2:53pm

This is what the existing mosque looks like. The new one would replace it, if approved:

The Bolton News: The current mosque in Blackburn Road

2:52pm

And here's another:

The Bolton News: An artist’s impression of the proposed mosque in Astley Bridge

2:51pm

Cllr peel momentarily interrupted as he says he is 'attacked by a fly' he is ok to carry on now...

2:51pm

This is an artist's impression of what it could look like:

The Bolton News: An artist’s impression of the proposed mosque in Astley Bridge

2:51pm

He says it will be a distinctive building and will be a landmark building on Blackburn Road

2:48pm

Cllr Nick Peel has the mic now, he says that Cllr Walsh's concerns would be relevant if this was an additional facility, but says it is in fact a replacement and will cover the same users

2:47pm

Someone shouted 'well explained', clearly happy with Cllr Walsh's suggestion

2:46pm

Cllr Walsh receiving support from the audience for his suggestion of deferring for a proper examination of traffic issues

2:44pm

Says Blackburn Road one of the most heavily trafficked roads in the town, asking for all councillors to be given the warnings offered by traffic officers, thinks there are 'serious issues', calling for deferral 

2:42pm

Cllr John Walsh now addressing traffic concerns, says a traffic officer has highlighted real issues with parking in the area at what would be peak periods for use of the mosque

2:40pm

Says it will also be an improvement for women in the area 

2:39pm

Cllr Thomas: "this is going to be a very very important facility for this community."

2:37pm

Amid the chaos, the debate begins...Cllr Linda Thomas registers her support, says it is a major regeneration scheme and a quality design 

2:35pm

Quite a few angry outbursts going on now, a few have stormed out and there is a mixture of applause and loud booing going on, it's getting very heated

2:35pm

People are shouting out, saying it is biased that Cllr Ismail can speak for any length of time, several people have stormed out now, shouting 'this isn't democracy' but chair Darvesh is explaining there is no time limit for ward councillors

2:33pm

She says it is definitely a replacement and will continue to serve the people of Bolton, says the app ticks all the right boxes

2:32pm

Cllr Sufrana Ismail is speaking in support of the app, with loud applause welcoming her to the seat

2:29pm

He says it is too large and too ostentatious and will make the area look more like Istanbul than Bolton

2:28pm

Bryn Morgan, an objector has just spoken on behalf of the objectors, cue applause from members of the audience

2:26pm

As architect David Cox says this can be a building that Bolton can be proud of, a man has taken a spot at the front of the room and is holding a 'No More Mosques'banner

2:19pm

Just a quick aside, the site visits arranged earlier for the applications for the 300 homes at Crompton Way and for land at Brittania Way mean those apps will be deferred

2:19pm

Officers think this can be done and they are recommending approval

2:18pm

Officers want a travel plan which will see the applicants committing to reduce the number of people coming by car and to carry out parking marshalling

2:16pm

He says the issue of parking and highways has troubled officers the most 

2:15pm

There will be no call to prayer that would wake local residents 

2:15pm

Speaking about the design he says it is a good design that will add interest and variety to Blackburn Road

2:14pm

Speaking about the design he says it is a good design that will add interest and variety to Blackburn Road

2:13pm

Mr Hill says the objection petition doesn't focus on specific planning considerations but clearly represents a significant body of signatures

2:11pm

And another support petition of 3,308 signatures 

2:10pm

Says the council have just received a petition of objection totalling 4,867 signiatures 

2:09pm

Now going through the late list of representations as I outlined earlier 

2:08pm

He says the applicants aren't wanting a larger membership at the mosque, it is in effect a replacement building but a larger one 

2:07pm

The Blackburn road mosque is up first and planning officer Tim Hill is outlining the application

2:06pm

Cllr Darvesh is warning against any disruptive behaviour as we start things off

2:05pm

Cllr John Walsh is suggesting site visits for applications at Brittania Waya no Crompton way, they have been agreed

2:02pm

We're off, chair Hanif Darvesh is doing a bit of house keeping 

2:01pm

Just about to get going, I have been given a nice jug of water to help me through the day, very good of the council 

 

1:59pm

I think we will be dealing with the mosque application first, it would make sense with the large number of people here 

1:55pm

It also says it has received seven pro-forma letters petitions in support of the plans, with around 250 signatures as well as a signiature petition of 3183 signiatures 

1:52pm

Just having a look through the late list, which is items received after the consultation period.

regarding the Astley Bridge mosque plans, the council says it has received 104 letters of objection, with the bulk being from local residents 

1:48pm

The festival hall is filling up now, maybe 70 people here so far, good move by the council to change venues, this was always going to be a well attended meeting 

1:46pm

Afternoon all and welcome to our live blog of the Bolton Council planning committee meeting, a fair few interesting applications up today and I will do my best to bring you the best of the action

1:32pm

Good afternoon - we're expecting a very exciting afternoon of planning decisions today. The meeting is due to start at 2pm.

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2:06pm Thu 3 Jul 14

itsnotthatbad says...

Wonder how the big one of the day turns out...
Wonder how the big one of the day turns out... itsnotthatbad
  • Score: 1

2:09pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Ernagy2 says...

itsnotthatbad wrote:
Wonder how the big one of the day turns out...
They should approve a "super" mosque (lol). That way Bolton could be the leading Town in the country for mosques. People could come world wide because we have the biggest mosque in europe ha,ha
[quote][p][bold]itsnotthatbad[/bold] wrote: Wonder how the big one of the day turns out...[/p][/quote]They should approve a "super" mosque (lol). That way Bolton could be the leading Town in the country for mosques. People could come world wide because we have the biggest mosque in europe ha,ha Ernagy2
  • Score: -9

2:21pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Terry McC says...

ime not taking bets on the mosque being refused think of the votes they will lose wheels within wheels
ime not taking bets on the mosque being refused think of the votes they will lose wheels within wheels Terry McC
  • Score: 5

2:22pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Ernagy2 says...

So the mosque got it's approval on the grounds of less cars visiting the site. That means they'll need even more mosques.
So the mosque got it's approval on the grounds of less cars visiting the site. That means they'll need even more mosques. Ernagy2
  • Score: -3

2:33pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Ernagy2 says...

Terry McC wrote:
ime not taking bets on the mosque being refused think of the votes they will lose wheels within wheels
Next years election will be a close one. Minorities will swing it. Think of the votes from the minorities that will give Labour power
[quote][p][bold]Terry McC[/bold] wrote: ime not taking bets on the mosque being refused think of the votes they will lose wheels within wheels[/p][/quote]Next years election will be a close one. Minorities will swing it. Think of the votes from the minorities that will give Labour power Ernagy2
  • Score: 5

2:36pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Where'swally says...

They're happy with the plans so long as they pwomise to keep an eye on the traffic coming in..... was this a pinky pwomise no comebacks?/... if they accept it they should, like they do to supermarkets make them change layouts of entry and exit to lessen the damage of cars and traffic. everyone knew this would go thru. now blackburn rd will have a massive knock on effect. people late for work or home school kids stuck on buses, and more importanlty a raised bad feeling towards everyone thus creating deeper social divides and bigger racism all because the council is corrupt!
They're happy with the plans so long as they pwomise to keep an eye on the traffic coming in..... was this a pinky pwomise no comebacks?/... if they accept it they should, like they do to supermarkets make them change layouts of entry and exit to lessen the damage of cars and traffic. everyone knew this would go thru. now blackburn rd will have a massive knock on effect. people late for work or home school kids stuck on buses, and more importanlty a raised bad feeling towards everyone thus creating deeper social divides and bigger racism all because the council is corrupt! Where'swally
  • Score: 20

2:37pm Thu 3 Jul 14

William2701 says...

Why no suggestion of a site visit for the mosque?
Why no suggestion of a site visit for the mosque? William2701
  • Score: 1

2:39pm Thu 3 Jul 14

William2701 says...

Cllr Thomas: ward councillor making sure she attracts votes, that is all
Cllr Thomas: ward councillor making sure she attracts votes, that is all William2701
  • Score: 4

2:39pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Terry McC says...

Cllr Sufrana Ismail is speaking in support of the app, with loud applause welcoming her to the seat ENOUGH SAID and talk as long as you want democracy at its worst
Cllr Sufrana Ismail is speaking in support of the app, with loud applause welcoming her to the seat ENOUGH SAID and talk as long as you want democracy at its worst Terry McC
  • Score: 15

2:41pm Thu 3 Jul 14

William2701 says...

Cllr Thomas: "this is going to be a very very important facility for this community."

But it won't be a community facility, only for part of the community if some of the so called Community trusts in Great Lever are anything to go by.

Surely that area of town has enough mosques already.
Cllr Thomas: "this is going to be a very very important facility for this community." But it won't be a community facility, only for part of the community if some of the so called Community trusts in Great Lever are anything to go by. Surely that area of town has enough mosques already. William2701
  • Score: 11

2:41pm Thu 3 Jul 14

William2701 says...

Cllr Thomas: "this is going to be a very very important facility for this community."

But it won't be a community facility, only for part of the community if some of the so called Community trusts in Great Lever are anything to go by.

Surely that area of town has enough mosques already.
Cllr Thomas: "this is going to be a very very important facility for this community." But it won't be a community facility, only for part of the community if some of the so called Community trusts in Great Lever are anything to go by. Surely that area of town has enough mosques already. William2701
  • Score: 18

2:43pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Ernagy2 says...

Where'swally wrote:
They're happy with the plans so long as they pwomise to keep an eye on the traffic coming in..... was this a pinky pwomise no comebacks?/... if they accept it they should, like they do to supermarkets make them change layouts of entry and exit to lessen the damage of cars and traffic. everyone knew this would go thru. now blackburn rd will have a massive knock on effect. people late for work or home school kids stuck on buses, and more importanlty a raised bad feeling towards everyone thus creating deeper social divides and bigger racism all because the council is corrupt!
What the protesters are objecting to isn't in the power of the Councillors. The planners have already said that they want a travel plan and parking marshaling. Parliament says it should favour approval of most schemes. So I can't see how councillors can object.
[quote][p][bold]Where'swally[/bold] wrote: They're happy with the plans so long as they pwomise to keep an eye on the traffic coming in..... was this a pinky pwomise no comebacks?/... if they accept it they should, like they do to supermarkets make them change layouts of entry and exit to lessen the damage of cars and traffic. everyone knew this would go thru. now blackburn rd will have a massive knock on effect. people late for work or home school kids stuck on buses, and more importanlty a raised bad feeling towards everyone thus creating deeper social divides and bigger racism all because the council is corrupt![/p][/quote]What the protesters are objecting to isn't in the power of the Councillors. The planners have already said that they want a travel plan and parking marshaling. Parliament says it should favour approval of most schemes. So I can't see how councillors can object. Ernagy2
  • Score: 2

2:51pm Thu 3 Jul 14

William2701 says...

Cllr Nick Peel has the mic now, he says that Cllr Walsh's concerns would be relevant if this was an additional facility, but says it is in fact a replacement and will cover the same users

Nick Peel: this is a LARGER facility so surely the concerns of Cllr Walsh and others re traffic, parking etc are valid and the applicants need to take such in to account.
Cllr Nick Peel has the mic now, he says that Cllr Walsh's concerns would be relevant if this was an additional facility, but says it is in fact a replacement and will cover the same users Nick Peel: this is a LARGER facility so surely the concerns of Cllr Walsh and others re traffic, parking etc are valid and the applicants need to take such in to account. William2701
  • Score: 5

2:54pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Ernagy2 says...

I'll bet it won't look anything like the artists impression.
I'll bet it won't look anything like the artists impression. Ernagy2
  • Score: 3

3:01pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Jerry cruncher says...

The building they want too knock down is part of our heritage,a beautiful, old,red brick Victorian building being demolished to make way for an Islamic monstrosity,just about sums Bolton up really.How long before the town halls converted into a mosque?
The building they want too knock down is part of our heritage,a beautiful, old,red brick Victorian building being demolished to make way for an Islamic monstrosity,just about sums Bolton up really.How long before the town halls converted into a mosque? Jerry cruncher
  • Score: 30

3:02pm Thu 3 Jul 14

the hand says...

Councilor peel got attack by a fly he's lucky its not one of the poor locals who are against the mosque that attack him all councillors in favour of the proposals should be tried as traitors to this town and country
Councilor peel got attack by a fly he's lucky its not one of the poor locals who are against the mosque that attack him all councillors in favour of the proposals should be tried as traitors to this town and country the hand
  • Score: 24

3:02pm Thu 3 Jul 14

jimiley says...

It's not another mosque/church this town needs, we need a flaming medical walk-in centre.

Anyway, what about dealing with the parking issue by having no parking spaces* whatsoever in and around the building? The one near me has cars parked across pavements, cars double-parked and so on (which admittedly is no different from many schools) so if people want to use the facility they can walk to it. Greener, healthier and allows normal traffic free-flow.
* save for a limited and well-patrolled disabled places.
It's not another mosque/church this town needs, we need a flaming medical walk-in centre. Anyway, what about dealing with the parking issue by having no parking spaces* whatsoever in and around the building? The one near me has cars parked across pavements, cars double-parked and so on (which admittedly is no different from many schools) so if people want to use the facility they can walk to it. Greener, healthier and allows normal traffic free-flow. * save for a limited and well-patrolled disabled places. jimiley
  • Score: 7

3:05pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Maybe_Tomorrow says...

Very Soon Bolton will become the next Bradford....yet one more historic mill town shaping into its new future.

Think for me time is up for Bolton...Yet with the massive improvements to the University its buildings and students, not forgetting the Royal Bolton being a great teaching hospital. I expected more of a explosion to drive much needs improvement to the town gaining cafes. restaurants...but nothing same impoverished scene with cheap pub culture....

So close to Manchester in distance...yet so far.
Very Soon Bolton will become the next Bradford....yet one more historic mill town shaping into its new future. Think for me time is up for Bolton...Yet with the massive improvements to the University its buildings and students, not forgetting the Royal Bolton being a great teaching hospital. I expected more of a explosion to drive much needs improvement to the town gaining cafes. restaurants...but nothing same impoverished scene with cheap pub culture.... So close to Manchester in distance...yet so far. Maybe_Tomorrow
  • Score: 15

3:09pm Thu 3 Jul 14

jimiley says...

Maybe_Tomorrow wrote:
Very Soon Bolton will become the next Bradford....yet one more historic mill town shaping into its new future.

Think for me time is up for Bolton...Yet with the massive improvements to the University its buildings and students, not forgetting the Royal Bolton being a great teaching hospital. I expected more of a explosion to drive much needs improvement to the town gaining cafes. restaurants...but nothing same impoverished scene with cheap pub culture....

So close to Manchester in distance...yet so far.
Pubs? Wish I could find one in Bolton! My nearest local's now in a different town!!
[quote][p][bold]Maybe_Tomorrow[/bold] wrote: Very Soon Bolton will become the next Bradford....yet one more historic mill town shaping into its new future. Think for me time is up for Bolton...Yet with the massive improvements to the University its buildings and students, not forgetting the Royal Bolton being a great teaching hospital. I expected more of a explosion to drive much needs improvement to the town gaining cafes. restaurants...but nothing same impoverished scene with cheap pub culture.... So close to Manchester in distance...yet so far.[/p][/quote]Pubs? Wish I could find one in Bolton! My nearest local's now in a different town!! jimiley
  • Score: 6

3:16pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Ernagy2 says...

Truth be told, there's more problems with the highway issues now, with the front entrance so close to the road.
Truth be told, there's more problems with the highway issues now, with the front entrance so close to the road. Ernagy2
  • Score: 3

3:16pm Thu 3 Jul 14

marco999 says...

I no longer recognise Bolton as the town I grew up in. I am neither racist nor have any fear/dislike/opinion about any religion. If you are muslim, jew, christian whatever, I respect you all equally and your right to worship your gods. However I didn't grow up in a town full of mosques and now I feel alien walking through some of the streets of Bolton. So where do I go when I no longer feel like I belong in my home town? How long will it be before there are no places left in this country where I can feel at home, where I can feel like I belong, where I can feel free to celebrate my own culture? The tides are turning in this country and some of us will swim and others will drown.
I no longer recognise Bolton as the town I grew up in. I am neither racist nor have any fear/dislike/opinion about any religion. If you are muslim, jew, christian whatever, I respect you all equally and your right to worship your gods. However I didn't grow up in a town full of mosques and now I feel alien walking through some of the streets of Bolton. So where do I go when I no longer feel like I belong in my home town? How long will it be before there are no places left in this country where I can feel at home, where I can feel like I belong, where I can feel free to celebrate my own culture? The tides are turning in this country and some of us will swim and others will drown. marco999
  • Score: 48

3:18pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Ernagy2 says...

It may be a replacement now, but that doesn't stop it growing in the future. Islam fastest growing religon.
It may be a replacement now, but that doesn't stop it growing in the future. Islam fastest growing religon. Ernagy2
  • Score: -4

3:24pm Thu 3 Jul 14

William2701 says...

Ok BN reporter, you are there, name the those who voted for deferral and those who voted to accept!

SHAME ON BOLTON COUNCIL.
Ok BN reporter, you are there, name the those who voted for deferral and those who voted to accept! SHAME ON BOLTON COUNCIL. William2701
  • Score: 24

3:26pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Ernagy2 says...

The rush to destroy our Victorian past is never ending. Our Councillors are definitely ashamed of what we were.
The rush to destroy our Victorian past is never ending. Our Councillors are definitely ashamed of what we were. Ernagy2
  • Score: 22

3:26pm Thu 3 Jul 14

William2701 says...

BN Reporter must report the voting and name all who voted and which way they voted..... the we can decide who voted for acceptance in order to attract votes at elections.
BN Reporter must report the voting and name all who voted and which way they voted..... the we can decide who voted for acceptance in order to attract votes at elections. William2701
  • Score: 12

3:30pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Ernagy2 says...

Is it time to get Eric Pickles involved?
Is it time to get Eric Pickles involved? Ernagy2
  • Score: -6

3:32pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Ernagy2 says...

William2701 wrote:
BN Reporter must report the voting and name all who voted and which way they voted..... the we can decide who voted for acceptance in order to attract votes at elections.
No - cause some idiot will go round and use violence against particular councillors. Complain to central government.
[quote][p][bold]William2701[/bold] wrote: BN Reporter must report the voting and name all who voted and which way they voted..... the we can decide who voted for acceptance in order to attract votes at elections.[/p][/quote]No - cause some idiot will go round and use violence against particular councillors. Complain to central government. Ernagy2
  • Score: -12

3:34pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Terry McC says...

Your voice means nothing in this town anymore pointless role on the 2015 elections ime against a lot of what ukip stand for but these people play right in to their hands
Your voice means nothing in this town anymore pointless role on the 2015 elections ime against a lot of what ukip stand for but these people play right in to their hands Terry McC
  • Score: 0

3:38pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Ernagy2 says...

Re homes in Westhoughton application. Once again traffic problems will be ignored as the rush for council tax money will be approved
Re homes in Westhoughton application. Once again traffic problems will be ignored as the rush for council tax money will be approved Ernagy2
  • Score: 3

3:40pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Ernagy2 says...

There you see more houses in Westhoughton approved
There you see more houses in Westhoughton approved Ernagy2
  • Score: -5

3:47pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Ernagy2 says...

Westhoughton needs redeveloping - with houses? They must be mad.

By the way Bolton News it's Watters not Waters
Westhoughton needs redeveloping - with houses? They must be mad. By the way Bolton News it's Watters not Waters Ernagy2
  • Score: -4

4:10pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Back oth Bank Boy says...

Traffic problem on Blackburn Road is created by the mosque is lie. Over the years big builders built thouseds of houses all over Belmont Road and
Blackburn Road up to other end of Bromley Cross. Councillor Walsh approved all those house plans from big tory donors. He did not give dam about traffic. People of Astley Bridge had traffic problem when Walsh's Tory party refused to extend St. Peters Way A666 from Kay Street to Bromley Cross in 1980's. Nobody saying any thing about extention at Warburton Bakery which brought scores of big trucks and staff vehicals in the area. Warburton don't even employ local people because their skin is dark. Local have to suffer Warbi's Carbon ommision night and day for years. No protest there.
Traffic problem on Blackburn Road is created by the mosque is lie. Over the years big builders built thouseds of houses all over Belmont Road and Blackburn Road up to other end of Bromley Cross. Councillor Walsh approved all those house plans from big tory donors. He did not give dam about traffic. People of Astley Bridge had traffic problem when Walsh's Tory party refused to extend St. Peters Way A666 from Kay Street to Bromley Cross in 1980's. Nobody saying any thing about extention at Warburton Bakery which brought scores of big trucks and staff vehicals in the area. Warburton don't even employ local people because their skin is dark. Local have to suffer Warbi's Carbon ommision night and day for years. No protest there. Back oth Bank Boy
  • Score: 5

4:12pm Thu 3 Jul 14

renovatedhouserunner says...

They seem to be making more of that house in lostock, could that be becbecause most of the fat overpaid councillors live there?
They seem to be making more of that house in lostock, could that be becbecause most of the fat overpaid councillors live there? renovatedhouserunner
  • Score: 8

4:16pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Back oth Bank Boy says...

marco999 wrote:
I no longer recognise Bolton as the town I grew up in. I am neither racist nor have any fear/dislike/opinion about any religion. If you are muslim, jew, christian whatever, I respect you all equally and your right to worship your gods. However I didn't grow up in a town full of mosques and now I feel alien walking through some of the streets of Bolton. So where do I go when I no longer feel like I belong in my home town? How long will it be before there are no places left in this country where I can feel at home, where I can feel like I belong, where I can feel free to celebrate my own culture? The tides are turning in this country and some of us will swim and others will drown.
IT IS CALLED CHANGE, LIVE WITH IT, STOP LIVING IN PAST.
[quote][p][bold]marco999[/bold] wrote: I no longer recognise Bolton as the town I grew up in. I am neither racist nor have any fear/dislike/opinion about any religion. If you are muslim, jew, christian whatever, I respect you all equally and your right to worship your gods. However I didn't grow up in a town full of mosques and now I feel alien walking through some of the streets of Bolton. So where do I go when I no longer feel like I belong in my home town? How long will it be before there are no places left in this country where I can feel at home, where I can feel like I belong, where I can feel free to celebrate my own culture? The tides are turning in this country and some of us will swim and others will drown.[/p][/quote]IT IS CALLED CHANGE, LIVE WITH IT, STOP LIVING IN PAST. Back oth Bank Boy
  • Score: -26

4:24pm Thu 3 Jul 14

OriginalAngryDad says...

Back oth Bank Boy wrote:
Traffic problem on Blackburn Road is created by the mosque is lie. Over the years big builders built thouseds of houses all over Belmont Road and
Blackburn Road up to other end of Bromley Cross. Councillor Walsh approved all those house plans from big tory donors. He did not give dam about traffic. People of Astley Bridge had traffic problem when Walsh's Tory party refused to extend St. Peters Way A666 from Kay Street to Bromley Cross in 1980's. Nobody saying any thing about extention at Warburton Bakery which brought scores of big trucks and staff vehicals in the area. Warburton don't even employ local people because their skin is dark. Local have to suffer Warbi's Carbon ommision night and day for years. No protest there.
The word you were looking for was "emissions", you dullard.....
[quote][p][bold]Back oth Bank Boy[/bold] wrote: Traffic problem on Blackburn Road is created by the mosque is lie. Over the years big builders built thouseds of houses all over Belmont Road and Blackburn Road up to other end of Bromley Cross. Councillor Walsh approved all those house plans from big tory donors. He did not give dam about traffic. People of Astley Bridge had traffic problem when Walsh's Tory party refused to extend St. Peters Way A666 from Kay Street to Bromley Cross in 1980's. Nobody saying any thing about extention at Warburton Bakery which brought scores of big trucks and staff vehicals in the area. Warburton don't even employ local people because their skin is dark. Local have to suffer Warbi's Carbon ommision night and day for years. No protest there.[/p][/quote]The word you were looking for was "emissions", you dullard..... OriginalAngryDad
  • Score: 9

4:34pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Jaybwfc says...

Absolultely disgusted with the labour council for showing a total lack of respect and regard for the people of Bolton. Labour council have ruined this town, hope you labour voters are happy with yourselves
Absolultely disgusted with the labour council for showing a total lack of respect and regard for the people of Bolton. Labour council have ruined this town, hope you labour voters are happy with yourselves Jaybwfc
  • Score: 28

4:44pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Cakelly says...

Back oth Bank Boy wrote:
marco999 wrote:
I no longer recognise Bolton as the town I grew up in. I am neither racist nor have any fear/dislike/opinion about any religion. If you are muslim, jew, christian whatever, I respect you all equally and your right to worship your gods. However I didn't grow up in a town full of mosques and now I feel alien walking through some of the streets of Bolton. So where do I go when I no longer feel like I belong in my home town? How long will it be before there are no places left in this country where I can feel at home, where I can feel like I belong, where I can feel free to celebrate my own culture? The tides are turning in this country and some of us will swim and others will drown.
IT IS CALLED CHANGE, LIVE WITH IT, STOP LIVING IN PAST.
There is nothing wrong with change, but when people start to feel like outsiders in their own country, there is something wrong! It's not about living in the past, it's about fearing what the future holds if things carry on changing at the rate they are!
[quote][p][bold]Back oth Bank Boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]marco999[/bold] wrote: I no longer recognise Bolton as the town I grew up in. I am neither racist nor have any fear/dislike/opinion about any religion. If you are muslim, jew, christian whatever, I respect you all equally and your right to worship your gods. However I didn't grow up in a town full of mosques and now I feel alien walking through some of the streets of Bolton. So where do I go when I no longer feel like I belong in my home town? How long will it be before there are no places left in this country where I can feel at home, where I can feel like I belong, where I can feel free to celebrate my own culture? The tides are turning in this country and some of us will swim and others will drown.[/p][/quote]IT IS CALLED CHANGE, LIVE WITH IT, STOP LIVING IN PAST.[/p][/quote]There is nothing wrong with change, but when people start to feel like outsiders in their own country, there is something wrong! It's not about living in the past, it's about fearing what the future holds if things carry on changing at the rate they are! Cakelly
  • Score: 35

4:51pm Thu 3 Jul 14

cassabella says...

The application ticks all boxes - WHAT BOXES WOULD THEY BE
Very important facility for this community - WHICH COMMUNITY
Improvement for women in the area - IN WHAT WAY
Distinctive building & Landmark - FOR AN ISLAMIC COUNTRY YES WHICH WE ARE NOT
Replacement Facility - WHAT IS IT REPLACING THINK I MISSED SOMETHING HERE
OH WELL VIVA THE REVOLUTION
The application ticks all boxes - WHAT BOXES WOULD THEY BE Very important facility for this community - WHICH COMMUNITY Improvement for women in the area - IN WHAT WAY Distinctive building & Landmark - FOR AN ISLAMIC COUNTRY YES WHICH WE ARE NOT Replacement Facility - WHAT IS IT REPLACING THINK I MISSED SOMETHING HERE OH WELL VIVA THE REVOLUTION cassabella
  • Score: 16

4:54pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Ernagy2 says...

If at first you don't succeed, it's alright you have got another 14 goes.
If at first you don't succeed, it's alright you have got another 14 goes. Ernagy2
  • Score: 4

5:06pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Jerry cruncher says...

The council have just rejected a planning application because it's too imposing and concerns about parking which causes visability issues for drivers....These very concerns where rejected by the council in granting permission for a mosque.Corrupt hypocrites.
The council have just rejected a planning application because it's too imposing and concerns about parking which causes visability issues for drivers....These very concerns where rejected by the council in granting permission for a mosque.Corrupt hypocrites. Jerry cruncher
  • Score: 22

5:20pm Thu 3 Jul 14

boltonnut says...

Back oth Bank Boy wrote:
Traffic problem on Blackburn Road is created by the mosque is lie. Over the years big builders built thouseds of houses all over Belmont Road and
Blackburn Road up to other end of Bromley Cross. Councillor Walsh approved all those house plans from big tory donors. He did not give dam about traffic. People of Astley Bridge had traffic problem when Walsh's Tory party refused to extend St. Peters Way A666 from Kay Street to Bromley Cross in 1980's. Nobody saying any thing about extention at Warburton Bakery which brought scores of big trucks and staff vehicals in the area. Warburton don't even employ local people because their skin is dark. Local have to suffer Warbi's Carbon ommision night and day for years. No protest there.
This quote says it all.By gone Bolton is not just an article in the B.N.,It's an actual fact.For the real Boltonians, UKIP up the fight.
[quote][p][bold]Back oth Bank Boy[/bold] wrote: Traffic problem on Blackburn Road is created by the mosque is lie. Over the years big builders built thouseds of houses all over Belmont Road and Blackburn Road up to other end of Bromley Cross. Councillor Walsh approved all those house plans from big tory donors. He did not give dam about traffic. People of Astley Bridge had traffic problem when Walsh's Tory party refused to extend St. Peters Way A666 from Kay Street to Bromley Cross in 1980's. Nobody saying any thing about extention at Warburton Bakery which brought scores of big trucks and staff vehicals in the area. Warburton don't even employ local people because their skin is dark. Local have to suffer Warbi's Carbon ommision night and day for years. No protest there.[/p][/quote]This quote says it all.By gone Bolton is not just an article in the B.N.,It's an actual fact.For the real Boltonians, UKIP up the fight. boltonnut
  • Score: 9

5:26pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Victoriacasper says...

I'm absolutely disgusted! I have been refreshing this feed. The meeting finishes at 6pm. But does the writer finish at 5? Just randomly stops reporting! DISGRACE!
I'm absolutely disgusted! I have been refreshing this feed. The meeting finishes at 6pm. But does the writer finish at 5? Just randomly stops reporting! DISGRACE! Victoriacasper
  • Score: 2

5:35pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Maybe_Tomorrow says...

cassabella wrote:
The application ticks all boxes - WHAT BOXES WOULD THEY BE
Very important facility for this community - WHICH COMMUNITY
Improvement for women in the area - IN WHAT WAY
Distinctive building & Landmark - FOR AN ISLAMIC COUNTRY YES WHICH WE ARE NOT
Replacement Facility - WHAT IS IT REPLACING THINK I MISSED SOMETHING HERE
OH WELL VIVA THE REVOLUTION
Good points; to add just one more to the list.

Development at ZERO cost to the council...Tick

Well just the cost of sorting the traffic nightmare once this site is up and running.

Already hate driving along this road, with double parking, cars pushing out into the road and kids and adults running across to get into these cars...all this really going to change with just 80 parking spaces?

Thanks Bolton Council...its clear just which community you are serving...one clear way of protecting your vote!
[quote][p][bold]cassabella[/bold] wrote: The application ticks all boxes - WHAT BOXES WOULD THEY BE Very important facility for this community - WHICH COMMUNITY Improvement for women in the area - IN WHAT WAY Distinctive building & Landmark - FOR AN ISLAMIC COUNTRY YES WHICH WE ARE NOT Replacement Facility - WHAT IS IT REPLACING THINK I MISSED SOMETHING HERE OH WELL VIVA THE REVOLUTION[/p][/quote]Good points; to add just one more to the list. Development at ZERO cost to the council...Tick Well just the cost of sorting the traffic nightmare once this site is up and running. Already hate driving along this road, with double parking, cars pushing out into the road and kids and adults running across to get into these cars...all this really going to change with just 80 parking spaces? Thanks Bolton Council...its clear just which community you are serving...one clear way of protecting your vote! Maybe_Tomorrow
  • Score: 20

5:39pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Victoriacasper says...

A couple of minor housing things? One of these was mine and I needed to know if it was passed or not!!!!!!
A couple of minor housing things? One of these was mine and I needed to know if it was passed or not!!!!!! Victoriacasper
  • Score: 4

5:39pm Thu 3 Jul 14

bluebusman says...

Jerry cruncher wrote:
The building they want too knock down is part of our heritage,a beautiful, old,red brick Victorian building being demolished to make way for an Islamic monstrosity,just about sums Bolton up really.How long before the town halls converted into a mosque?
they are not knocking this building down they are attaching it to the victorian building and creating 19 classrooms inside it ,dont forget why need more classrooms when they having a school built around the corner for 700 this is why its a super mosque if you create a triangle from motorworld up you will see the control they will have now then coupled with the right hand side of bb rd you created a sterile area which will become a sharia area
[quote][p][bold]Jerry cruncher[/bold] wrote: The building they want too knock down is part of our heritage,a beautiful, old,red brick Victorian building being demolished to make way for an Islamic monstrosity,just about sums Bolton up really.How long before the town halls converted into a mosque?[/p][/quote]they are not knocking this building down they are attaching it to the victorian building and creating 19 classrooms inside it ,dont forget why need more classrooms when they having a school built around the corner for 700 this is why its a super mosque if you create a triangle from motorworld up you will see the control they will have now then coupled with the right hand side of bb rd you created a sterile area which will become a sharia area bluebusman
  • Score: 8

5:45pm Thu 3 Jul 14

bluebusman says...

cassabella wrote:
The application ticks all boxes - WHAT BOXES WOULD THEY BE
Very important facility for this community - WHICH COMMUNITY
Improvement for women in the area - IN WHAT WAY
Distinctive building & Landmark - FOR AN ISLAMIC COUNTRY YES WHICH WE ARE NOT
Replacement Facility - WHAT IS IT REPLACING THINK I MISSED SOMETHING HERE
OH WELL VIVA THE REVOLUTION
exactly what boxes
community well we know definatly not a british one
improvement for women ,yep they not allowed in the area
we are not islamic but not far off
replacing nothing as the 1000 people worshipping there will be as well as the original 1000 in the classrooms
[quote][p][bold]cassabella[/bold] wrote: The application ticks all boxes - WHAT BOXES WOULD THEY BE Very important facility for this community - WHICH COMMUNITY Improvement for women in the area - IN WHAT WAY Distinctive building & Landmark - FOR AN ISLAMIC COUNTRY YES WHICH WE ARE NOT Replacement Facility - WHAT IS IT REPLACING THINK I MISSED SOMETHING HERE OH WELL VIVA THE REVOLUTION[/p][/quote]exactly what boxes community well we know definatly not a british one improvement for women ,yep they not allowed in the area we are not islamic but not far off replacing nothing as the 1000 people worshipping there will be as well as the original 1000 in the classrooms bluebusman
  • Score: 3

5:48pm Thu 3 Jul 14

bluebusman says...

Maybe_Tomorrow wrote:
cassabella wrote:
The application ticks all boxes - WHAT BOXES WOULD THEY BE
Very important facility for this community - WHICH COMMUNITY
Improvement for women in the area - IN WHAT WAY
Distinctive building & Landmark - FOR AN ISLAMIC COUNTRY YES WHICH WE ARE NOT
Replacement Facility - WHAT IS IT REPLACING THINK I MISSED SOMETHING HERE
OH WELL VIVA THE REVOLUTION
Good points; to add just one more to the list.

Development at ZERO cost to the council...Tick

Well just the cost of sorting the traffic nightmare once this site is up and running.

Already hate driving along this road, with double parking, cars pushing out into the road and kids and adults running across to get into these cars...all this really going to change with just 80 parking spaces?

Thanks Bolton Council...its clear just which community you are serving...one clear way of protecting your vote!
the plans are visible online and i can not see 80 spaces at last count was only 65 and that on land that caters for 90 vehicles now but dont forget the new building will be covering 70% of this
[quote][p][bold]Maybe_Tomorrow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cassabella[/bold] wrote: The application ticks all boxes - WHAT BOXES WOULD THEY BE Very important facility for this community - WHICH COMMUNITY Improvement for women in the area - IN WHAT WAY Distinctive building & Landmark - FOR AN ISLAMIC COUNTRY YES WHICH WE ARE NOT Replacement Facility - WHAT IS IT REPLACING THINK I MISSED SOMETHING HERE OH WELL VIVA THE REVOLUTION[/p][/quote]Good points; to add just one more to the list. Development at ZERO cost to the council...Tick Well just the cost of sorting the traffic nightmare once this site is up and running. Already hate driving along this road, with double parking, cars pushing out into the road and kids and adults running across to get into these cars...all this really going to change with just 80 parking spaces? Thanks Bolton Council...its clear just which community you are serving...one clear way of protecting your vote![/p][/quote]the plans are visible online and i can not see 80 spaces at last count was only 65 and that on land that caters for 90 vehicles now but dont forget the new building will be covering 70% of this bluebusman
  • Score: 2

5:50pm Thu 3 Jul 14

OriginalAngryDad says...

Back oth Bank Boy wrote:
Traffic problem on Blackburn Road is created by the mosque is lie. Over the years big builders built thouseds of houses all over Belmont Road and
Blackburn Road up to other end of Bromley Cross. Councillor Walsh approved all those house plans from big tory donors. He did not give dam about traffic. People of Astley Bridge had traffic problem when Walsh's Tory party refused to extend St. Peters Way A666 from Kay Street to Bromley Cross in 1980's. Nobody saying any thing about extention at Warburton Bakery which brought scores of big trucks and staff vehicals in the area. Warburton don't even employ local people because their skin is dark. Local have to suffer Warbi's Carbon ommision night and day for years. No protest there.
For the record, I used to work at Warbies along with many Asians who lived locally, so take your spurious racist accusations and shove 'em up your burka.......
[quote][p][bold]Back oth Bank Boy[/bold] wrote: Traffic problem on Blackburn Road is created by the mosque is lie. Over the years big builders built thouseds of houses all over Belmont Road and Blackburn Road up to other end of Bromley Cross. Councillor Walsh approved all those house plans from big tory donors. He did not give dam about traffic. People of Astley Bridge had traffic problem when Walsh's Tory party refused to extend St. Peters Way A666 from Kay Street to Bromley Cross in 1980's. Nobody saying any thing about extention at Warburton Bakery which brought scores of big trucks and staff vehicals in the area. Warburton don't even employ local people because their skin is dark. Local have to suffer Warbi's Carbon ommision night and day for years. No protest there.[/p][/quote]For the record, I used to work at Warbies along with many Asians who lived locally, so take your spurious racist accusations and shove 'em up your burka....... OriginalAngryDad
  • Score: 0

5:51pm Thu 3 Jul 14

bluebusman says...

Victoriacasper wrote:
I'm absolutely disgusted! I have been refreshing this feed. The meeting finishes at 6pm. But does the writer finish at 5? Just randomly stops reporting! DISGRACE!
i remember the other week when i was watching the feed the reporter saying that he was goin to write up all the days reports and thats 5pm
[quote][p][bold]Victoriacasper[/bold] wrote: I'm absolutely disgusted! I have been refreshing this feed. The meeting finishes at 6pm. But does the writer finish at 5? Just randomly stops reporting! DISGRACE![/p][/quote]i remember the other week when i was watching the feed the reporter saying that he was goin to write up all the days reports and thats 5pm bluebusman
  • Score: 1

6:11pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Victoriacasper says...

To be fair to the team they have quite efficiently emailed me regarding my queries and resolved some issues I was having. Thank you for all your help after your technical difficulties Bolton News.
To be fair to the team they have quite efficiently emailed me regarding my queries and resolved some issues I was having. Thank you for all your help after your technical difficulties Bolton News. Victoriacasper
  • Score: 5

6:56pm Thu 3 Jul 14

nigella farrage says...

Firstly there is NO legal reason to stop the planning of the Mosque!

Traffic problems and very negligible.

People protesting against the mosque just on religious grounds, ought to know the law as hatred crimes such as this is turning into are definitely frowned upon by the authorities!!!!

A planning permission cannot be refused due to a persons/groups dislike of a religion - fact!!!

For those who hate the various Muslim faiths - get over it - or even better go to Church, increase our congregations and then, and only then, can you build more Churches and pretend to think you are doing something positive!!!
Firstly there is NO legal reason to stop the planning of the Mosque! Traffic problems and very negligible. People protesting against the mosque just on religious grounds, ought to know the law as hatred crimes such as this is turning into are definitely frowned upon by the authorities!!!! A planning permission cannot be refused due to a persons/groups dislike of a religion - fact!!! For those who hate the various Muslim faiths - get over it - or even better go to Church, increase our congregations and then, and only then, can you build more Churches and pretend to think you are doing something positive!!! nigella farrage
  • Score: -10

7:03pm Thu 3 Jul 14

David 1957 says...

Its nothing to do about parking, its more to do about an Islamic mosque in Bolton.
Its nothing to do about parking, its more to do about an Islamic mosque in Bolton. David 1957
  • Score: 6

7:06pm Thu 3 Jul 14

nigella farrage says...

But which Islamic faith - as there is more than 1 but less than 40

But that pales into insignificance when you consider Christianity which as over 1000 faiths under the one umbrella!!!!

Also lets not forget that all sects require their place of worship, so why shouldn't they be allowed to have their own place - paid for by themselves!!!

Refusing a planning permission on religious grounds is illegal!
But which Islamic faith - as there is more than 1 but less than 40 But that pales into insignificance when you consider Christianity which as over 1000 faiths under the one umbrella!!!! Also lets not forget that all sects require their place of worship, so why shouldn't they be allowed to have their own place - paid for by themselves!!! Refusing a planning permission on religious grounds is illegal! nigella farrage
  • Score: -8

7:13pm Thu 3 Jul 14

gary1980 says...

Bolton council and BEN are a **** disgrace and do not represent the people of this town corrupt ****
Bolton council and BEN are a **** disgrace and do not represent the people of this town corrupt **** gary1980
  • Score: 7

7:19pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Homesweethome23 says...

I too have been following the articles about the mosque and have to say I am a little disgusted to read some of the comments. I accept the valid objections of parking, traffic and architecture. However, comments of not recognising your town because it is perceived a 'community has taken over' is appalling. I was born in Bolton, I am not white and will always see Bolton as my home. I work in Bolton and sadly probably serve some of you racist bigots service. I thought Bolton got over its racist views in the 70s when white amateur teams refused to play with ethnic minority groups. I thought Bolton had evolved especially when folk enjoy tasting the delights of the sub-continent. What is most disappointing, some of these people probably live and work side by side to Muslims (in this particular context) and would never utter their real thoughts. The hypocrisy is what really gets me. It is a shame that those that maybe had valid objections were diluted within the racist onslaught on the Facebook group and on the BN website not to mention groups on other social networking sites. Well done BNP EDL Northwest Infidels you spoilt it for the locals who had real objections. It is time for change and acceptance and integration 😊
I too have been following the articles about the mosque and have to say I am a little disgusted to read some of the comments. I accept the valid objections of parking, traffic and architecture. However, comments of not recognising your town because it is perceived a 'community has taken over' is appalling. I was born in Bolton, I am not white and will always see Bolton as my home. I work in Bolton and sadly probably serve some of you racist bigots service. I thought Bolton got over its racist views in the 70s when white amateur teams refused to play with ethnic minority groups. I thought Bolton had evolved especially when folk enjoy tasting the delights of the sub-continent. What is most disappointing, some of these people probably live and work side by side to Muslims (in this particular context) and would never utter their real thoughts. The hypocrisy is what really gets me. It is a shame that those that maybe had valid objections were diluted within the racist onslaught on the Facebook group and on the BN website not to mention groups on other social networking sites. Well done BNP EDL Northwest Infidels you spoilt it for the locals who had real objections. It is time for change and acceptance and integration 😊 Homesweethome23
  • Score: -5

7:25pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Homesweethome23 says...

I too have been following the articles about the mosque and have to say I am a little disgusted to read some of the comments. I accept the valid objections of parking, traffic and architecture. However, comments of not recognising your town because it is perceived a 'community has taken over' is appalling. I was born in Bolton, I am not white and will always see Bolton as my home. I work in Bolton and sadly probably serve some of you racist bigots. I thought Bolton got over its racist views in the 70s when white amateur teams refused to play with ethnic minority groups. I thought Bolton had evolved especially when folk enjoy tasting the delights of the sub-continent. What is most disappointing, some of these people probably live and work side by side to Muslims (in this particular context) and would never utter their real thoughts. The hypocrisy is what really gets me. It is a shame that those that maybe had valid objections were diluted within the racist onslaught on the Facebook group and on the BN website not to mention groups on other social networking sites. Well done BNP EDL Northwest Infidels you spoilt it for the locals who had real objections. It is time for change, acceptance and integration 😊
I too have been following the articles about the mosque and have to say I am a little disgusted to read some of the comments. I accept the valid objections of parking, traffic and architecture. However, comments of not recognising your town because it is perceived a 'community has taken over' is appalling. I was born in Bolton, I am not white and will always see Bolton as my home. I work in Bolton and sadly probably serve some of you racist bigots. I thought Bolton got over its racist views in the 70s when white amateur teams refused to play with ethnic minority groups. I thought Bolton had evolved especially when folk enjoy tasting the delights of the sub-continent. What is most disappointing, some of these people probably live and work side by side to Muslims (in this particular context) and would never utter their real thoughts. The hypocrisy is what really gets me. It is a shame that those that maybe had valid objections were diluted within the racist onslaught on the Facebook group and on the BN website not to mention groups on other social networking sites. Well done BNP EDL Northwest Infidels you spoilt it for the locals who had real objections. It is time for change, acceptance and integration 😊 Homesweethome23
  • Score: -3

7:29pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Reality50 says...

A day of shame and disgrace for the Labour Party in Bolton. To ignore a near 5,000 name petition and to not even defer the application on traffic grounds is inexplicable. There seriously needs to be questions asked as to how seemingly every mosque application in Bolton without question gets passed. A shameful day for a once proud town.
A day of shame and disgrace for the Labour Party in Bolton. To ignore a near 5,000 name petition and to not even defer the application on traffic grounds is inexplicable. There seriously needs to be questions asked as to how seemingly every mosque application in Bolton without question gets passed. A shameful day for a once proud town. Reality50
  • Score: 15

7:55pm Thu 3 Jul 14

OriginalAngryDad says...

Homesweethome23 wrote:
I too have been following the articles about the mosque and have to say I am a little disgusted to read some of the comments. I accept the valid objections of parking, traffic and architecture. However, comments of not recognising your town because it is perceived a 'community has taken over' is appalling. I was born in Bolton, I am not white and will always see Bolton as my home. I work in Bolton and sadly probably serve some of you racist bigots. I thought Bolton got over its racist views in the 70s when white amateur teams refused to play with ethnic minority groups. I thought Bolton had evolved especially when folk enjoy tasting the delights of the sub-continent. What is most disappointing, some of these people probably live and work side by side to Muslims (in this particular context) and would never utter their real thoughts. The hypocrisy is what really gets me. It is a shame that those that maybe had valid objections were diluted within the racist onslaught on the Facebook group and on the BN website not to mention groups on other social networking sites. Well done BNP EDL Northwest Infidels you spoilt it for the locals who had real objections. It is time for change, acceptance and integration 😊
If you're not a Muslim, I'll eat my burka......
[quote][p][bold]Homesweethome23[/bold] wrote: I too have been following the articles about the mosque and have to say I am a little disgusted to read some of the comments. I accept the valid objections of parking, traffic and architecture. However, comments of not recognising your town because it is perceived a 'community has taken over' is appalling. I was born in Bolton, I am not white and will always see Bolton as my home. I work in Bolton and sadly probably serve some of you racist bigots. I thought Bolton got over its racist views in the 70s when white amateur teams refused to play with ethnic minority groups. I thought Bolton had evolved especially when folk enjoy tasting the delights of the sub-continent. What is most disappointing, some of these people probably live and work side by side to Muslims (in this particular context) and would never utter their real thoughts. The hypocrisy is what really gets me. It is a shame that those that maybe had valid objections were diluted within the racist onslaught on the Facebook group and on the BN website not to mention groups on other social networking sites. Well done BNP EDL Northwest Infidels you spoilt it for the locals who had real objections. It is time for change, acceptance and integration 😊[/p][/quote]If you're not a Muslim, I'll eat my burka...... OriginalAngryDad
  • Score: 8

8:07pm Thu 3 Jul 14

OriginalAngryDad says...

nigella farrage wrote:
But which Islamic faith - as there is more than 1 but less than 40

But that pales into insignificance when you consider Christianity which as over 1000 faiths under the one umbrella!!!!

Also lets not forget that all sects require their place of worship, so why shouldn't they be allowed to have their own place - paid for by themselves!!!

Refusing a planning permission on religious grounds is illegal!
You seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that this is about religion.

It's not.

This is a secular issue for a lot of us non-muslims - we've had enough of Bolton Council blindly trying to curry favour with the muslim vote by passing every single application that is lodged without proper consideration or referal.
[quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: But which Islamic faith - as there is more than 1 but less than 40 But that pales into insignificance when you consider Christianity which as over 1000 faiths under the one umbrella!!!! Also lets not forget that all sects require their place of worship, so why shouldn't they be allowed to have their own place - paid for by themselves!!! Refusing a planning permission on religious grounds is illegal![/p][/quote]You seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that this is about religion. It's not. This is a secular issue for a lot of us non-muslims - we've had enough of Bolton Council blindly trying to curry favour with the muslim vote by passing every single application that is lodged without proper consideration or referal. OriginalAngryDad
  • Score: 9

8:23pm Thu 3 Jul 14

127001 says...

what a can of worms this is...

all we are left with now is utter chaos within the community. It may have been a better idea if the councillors had deferred the application and given some more thought to further consultation.

I can't see this ending well
what a can of worms this is... all we are left with now is utter chaos within the community. It may have been a better idea if the councillors had deferred the application and given some more thought to further consultation. I can't see this ending well 127001
  • Score: 8

8:30pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Greasy Chip Butty says...

marco999 wrote:
I no longer recognise Bolton as the town I grew up in. I am neither racist nor have any fear/dislike/opinion about any religion. If you are muslim, jew, christian whatever, I respect you all equally and your right to worship your gods. However I didn't grow up in a town full of mosques and now I feel alien walking through some of the streets of Bolton. So where do I go when I no longer feel like I belong in my home town? How long will it be before there are no places left in this country where I can feel at home, where I can feel like I belong, where I can feel free to celebrate my own culture? The tides are turning in this country and some of us will swim and others will drown.
A quarter of the world felt the same way when we invaded and pillaged their lands and killed natives of those lands during our "Empire".
What goes around comes around I suppose.
Meeting was hijacked by a hard core probably not even from Bolton.
[quote][p][bold]marco999[/bold] wrote: I no longer recognise Bolton as the town I grew up in. I am neither racist nor have any fear/dislike/opinion about any religion. If you are muslim, jew, christian whatever, I respect you all equally and your right to worship your gods. However I didn't grow up in a town full of mosques and now I feel alien walking through some of the streets of Bolton. So where do I go when I no longer feel like I belong in my home town? How long will it be before there are no places left in this country where I can feel at home, where I can feel like I belong, where I can feel free to celebrate my own culture? The tides are turning in this country and some of us will swim and others will drown.[/p][/quote]A quarter of the world felt the same way when we invaded and pillaged their lands and killed natives of those lands during our "Empire". What goes around comes around I suppose. Meeting was hijacked by a hard core probably not even from Bolton. Greasy Chip Butty
  • Score: -3

9:44pm Thu 3 Jul 14

TheOneTrueWord says...

We all know this mosque was going to get passed, there could have been 10,000 signatures against it and it still would have got planning permission from Bolton Council.

I do not condone the behaviour of the idiots in the video, these kinds of people are just thugs who think the only answer is shouting, swearing and trying to show how big they are!

Bolton is supposed to be developing as a town, but it is getting worse, I urge anyone who can depart do so now for pastures new, because that is certainly what I am considering doing over the next 12 months.

An old pub on Holmeswood Road, Great Lever is now a Mosque called ‘Masjid-e-Taqwa’ on Friday prayers the chaos and traffic around Holmeswood Road / Lever Edge Lane is horrendous, any emergency services would not stand a chance to get down Holmeswood Road, and this is despite the Mosque having a large car park. The same use to happen at ‘Makka Mosque’ on Grecian Crescent on Friday afternoon, people using the Mosque would park anywhere without a care in the world for residents that were living in the area. No doubt this will happen with the new Mosque on Blackburn Road.

Could someone tell me why Great Lever needs FIVE MOSQUES within a quarter of a mile radius! And this is not including many of the others in Great Lever or Deane & Derby.

We have…

Masjid-e-Taqwa - Holmeswood Road
Aleef Mosque - 8 Higher Swan Lane, Bolton, BL3 3EQ
Darul Quran Mosque - 458 Bridgeman Street, Bolton, BL3 6TJ
Makka Mosque - Grecian Crescent, Bolton, BL3 6QU
Zakariyya Mosque - Peace Street, Bolton, BL3 5LJ

Surely Bolton has enough places for Muslims to worship, without adding more to the town, is a super Mosque really the answer?

It’s purely disgraceful to allow this application to be passed when so many people objected. I am no longer proud to be associated with this town.
We all know this mosque was going to get passed, there could have been 10,000 signatures against it and it still would have got planning permission from Bolton Council. I do not condone the behaviour of the idiots in the video, these kinds of people are just thugs who think the only answer is shouting, swearing and trying to show how big they are! Bolton is supposed to be developing as a town, but it is getting worse, I urge anyone who can depart do so now for pastures new, because that is certainly what I am considering doing over the next 12 months. An old pub on Holmeswood Road, Great Lever is now a Mosque called ‘Masjid-e-Taqwa’ on Friday prayers the chaos and traffic around Holmeswood Road / Lever Edge Lane is horrendous, any emergency services would not stand a chance to get down Holmeswood Road, and this is despite the Mosque having a large car park. The same use to happen at ‘Makka Mosque’ on Grecian Crescent on Friday afternoon, people using the Mosque would park anywhere without a care in the world for residents that were living in the area. No doubt this will happen with the new Mosque on Blackburn Road. Could someone tell me why Great Lever needs FIVE MOSQUES within a quarter of a mile radius! And this is not including many of the others in Great Lever or Deane & Derby. We have… Masjid-e-Taqwa - Holmeswood Road Aleef Mosque - 8 Higher Swan Lane, Bolton, BL3 3EQ Darul Quran Mosque - 458 Bridgeman Street, Bolton, BL3 6TJ Makka Mosque - Grecian Crescent, Bolton, BL3 6QU Zakariyya Mosque - Peace Street, Bolton, BL3 5LJ Surely Bolton has enough places for Muslims to worship, without adding more to the town, is a super Mosque really the answer? It’s purely disgraceful to allow this application to be passed when so many people objected. I am no longer proud to be associated with this town. TheOneTrueWord
  • Score: 14

9:28am Fri 4 Jul 14

piszoff says...

Busy around Deane last night, out done all want bigger and better now. Eyeing up[ the town hall seen the potential in side now.
Busy around Deane last night, out done all want bigger and better now. Eyeing up[ the town hall seen the potential in side now. piszoff
  • Score: -2

3:31pm Fri 4 Jul 14

holloway_david says...

Back oth Bank Boy wrote:
Traffic problem on Blackburn Road is created by the mosque is lie. Over the years big builders built thouseds of houses all over Belmont Road and
Blackburn Road up to other end of Bromley Cross. Councillor Walsh approved all those house plans from big tory donors. He did not give dam about traffic. People of Astley Bridge had traffic problem when Walsh's Tory party refused to extend St. Peters Way A666 from Kay Street to Bromley Cross in 1980's. Nobody saying any thing about extention at Warburton Bakery which brought scores of big trucks and staff vehicals in the area. Warburton don't even employ local people because their skin is dark. Local have to suffer Warbi's Carbon ommision night and day for years. No protest there.
I think your statement about Warburtons not employing people with dark skin could be considered slander.
[quote][p][bold]Back oth Bank Boy[/bold] wrote: Traffic problem on Blackburn Road is created by the mosque is lie. Over the years big builders built thouseds of houses all over Belmont Road and Blackburn Road up to other end of Bromley Cross. Councillor Walsh approved all those house plans from big tory donors. He did not give dam about traffic. People of Astley Bridge had traffic problem when Walsh's Tory party refused to extend St. Peters Way A666 from Kay Street to Bromley Cross in 1980's. Nobody saying any thing about extention at Warburton Bakery which brought scores of big trucks and staff vehicals in the area. Warburton don't even employ local people because their skin is dark. Local have to suffer Warbi's Carbon ommision night and day for years. No protest there.[/p][/quote]I think your statement about Warburtons not employing people with dark skin could be considered slander. holloway_david
  • Score: 1

3:44pm Fri 4 Jul 14

holloway_david says...

Jaybwfc wrote:
Absolultely disgusted with the labour council for showing a total lack of respect and regard for the people of Bolton. Labour council have ruined this town, hope you labour voters are happy with yourselves
Absolutely agree. Once there were mill towers and now wailing towers.
Will not be voting Labour nationally or locally next time.
The word for allowing this sort of build to take place is "Ruination"
[quote][p][bold]Jaybwfc[/bold] wrote: Absolultely disgusted with the labour council for showing a total lack of respect and regard for the people of Bolton. Labour council have ruined this town, hope you labour voters are happy with yourselves[/p][/quote]Absolutely agree. Once there were mill towers and now wailing towers. Will not be voting Labour nationally or locally next time. The word for allowing this sort of build to take place is "Ruination" holloway_david
  • Score: 3

4:04pm Fri 4 Jul 14

holloway_david says...

Planning Law ----- What a joke!
Planning Law ----- What a joke! holloway_david
  • Score: 4

7:07am Sat 5 Jul 14

the hand says...

Bolton news please explain to me and many other visitors to this forum site why you remove comments I have made regarding measuring up our women folk for Burrka's because that's what they will want next and reference to cliff jabba the hut Morris and his cronies I was under the impression that news papers where supposed to be impartial if you invite people to comment on local issues you should have the balls to let stand any comments made for fair and open discussion the trouble with this country is we have become to namby pamby and its papers like yours which cause it let us have free and honest debate or close your site all together the public have a voice if you don't like it then that's fine but you can't remove comments made because you are scared of upsetting a so called minority democracy demands we all have a voice do not suppress people's opinions that's how appartide started in south Africa Nelson Mandela was a great man and he end up in prison because he had no voice do your job that's why we buy the bolton news allow us free speech to all do not oppress us
Bolton news please explain to me and many other visitors to this forum site why you remove comments I have made regarding measuring up our women folk for Burrka's because that's what they will want next and reference to cliff jabba the hut Morris and his cronies I was under the impression that news papers where supposed to be impartial if you invite people to comment on local issues you should have the balls to let stand any comments made for fair and open discussion the trouble with this country is we have become to namby pamby and its papers like yours which cause it let us have free and honest debate or close your site all together the public have a voice if you don't like it then that's fine but you can't remove comments made because you are scared of upsetting a so called minority democracy demands we all have a voice do not suppress people's opinions that's how appartide started in south Africa Nelson Mandela was a great man and he end up in prison because he had no voice do your job that's why we buy the bolton news allow us free speech to all do not oppress us the hand
  • Score: 3
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