Traders furious as strikers hand out leaflets urging people to boycott Bolton Market

Traders furious as strikers hand out leaflets urging people to boycott Bolton Market

Unhappy Bolton Market Traders Tony Frame and Jayne McClaren make their feelings about the leaflets known

The leaflet distributed by strikers calling for a boycott of Bolton Market

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FURIOUS traders have condemned a group of strikers after they urged people to boycott Bolton Market.

About 60 striking workers, who claimed to be Unison members, distributed the leaflets at 10am this morning inside and outside the market.

Leaflets were handed to people inside the market's seated food hall and were also left on windows of cars parked nearby.

Market traders reacted angrily to the move, accusing the strikers of "scare tactics".

The leaflets stated traders had “refused to support their fellow workers” in their fight for fair pay.

But the market traders, who are self-employed, say that while they support any union’s right to strike, as independent traders, they would go home penniless if they did not work.

The A5 size leaflets, which are unbranded, also suggested the market was “unsafe” without health and safety officers, fire wardens and cleaners on site.

Unison bosses said the leaflets were intended as a “light-heartened protest”.

But Tony Frame, at Salmon Kings, said he felt victimised by the move.

He added: “I can’t understand why they want to come here to intimidate the general public.

"It’s underhanded scare tactics. They got in customers’ faces and told them they were ‘scabs’ — they should be ashamed of themselves.


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“We support what they are doing but they are distributing leaflets saying that we don’t.

"We have been victimised. No other market has ceased trading but they have picked on us.”

Jane Mclaren, trader at The Shoe Box, said: “It mentions the safety of the market. I am the fire warden to make sure that the place is safe for customers.

"Their argument is not our argument. We are self-employed people and we have been really badly hit by this.”

Allan Woodcock at TXC records said he would like to discuss the issue with the people behind the “damaging” leaflets.

He added: “What has annoyed me is that the leaflets say we have refused to fight with our fellow workers.

"Well firstly they are not our fellow workers. We are self-employed traders.

“Secondly there is no name on these leaflets so it is unlikely anyone will take any ownership for them.

"We don’t want this happening again. All we do is come out and work.

"If we don’t do that then we have got no money. This is damaging for each and every trader here.”

The Bolton News:

The offending leaflet

A Unison spokesman said: “We have checked with local union officials who were present in Bolton.

"They confirm there was a spontaneous and light-hearted protest around the Bolton market area as people were on their way to a rally at the town hall.

“The union denies that there was any victimisation or intimidation. There was no intention to cause distress to traders or customers.”

  • Hundreds of council workers gathered in Victoria Square and at picket lines across the borough in one of the largest walk-outs the town has ever seen in a row over pay.

The National Union of Teachers was also on strike as part of a dispute over pensions, pay and conditions of service.

It is estimated about 90 per cent of council workers, teachers and fire fighters from Unison, GMB, Unite, the National Union of Teachers (NUT) and the Fire Brigades Union went on strike in anger at national changes to pay, pensions and working conditions.

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5:11pm Thu 10 Jul 14

OriginalAngryDad says...

Shameful behaviour.

Which demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding of the current political / economic climate by these fools.

If you want support, the last thing you do is alienate the general public by pulling stunts like this one.

Whoever's behind these leaflets is a bit thick if you ask me.

Probably a typical union "activist" (and before you all start, I used to be one in the BFAWU in Bolton, so I know what they can be like), who thinks they're a bit cleverer than everyone else and is full of their own self-importance but in reality, are a bit dim and naive.

Well done, Unite, as own goals go, this one's a beauty......
Shameful behaviour. Which demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding of the current political / economic climate by these fools. If you want support, the last thing you do is alienate the general public by pulling stunts like this one. Whoever's behind these leaflets is a bit thick if you ask me. Probably a typical union "activist" (and before you all start, I used to be one in the BFAWU in Bolton, so I know what they can be like), who thinks they're a bit cleverer than everyone else and is full of their own self-importance but in reality, are a bit dim and naive. Well done, Unite, as own goals go, this one's a beauty...... OriginalAngryDad
  • Score: 107

5:17pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Taki1940 says...

Light hearted, so says Unison. Their worst case is not having as high a rise as they want. Most market traders are up very early to be ready for business and work through as long as it takes. No one has a choice abut paying rates or taxes. Traders have to work for every penny.

The leaflet was the sick product of a sick mindset. Are we sure that this was not a Tory trick? (That is light hearted)
Light hearted, so says Unison. Their worst case is not having as high a rise as they want. Most market traders are up very early to be ready for business and work through as long as it takes. No one has a choice abut paying rates or taxes. Traders have to work for every penny. The leaflet was the sick product of a sick mindset. Are we sure that this was not a Tory trick? (That is light hearted) Taki1940
  • Score: 52

5:24pm Thu 10 Jul 14

myfanwy7 says...

Are we sure the traders in the picture are not greengrocers, judging by the brilliant example of the greengrocer's apostrophe on their sign?
Are we sure the traders in the picture are not greengrocers, judging by the brilliant example of the greengrocer's apostrophe on their sign? myfanwy7
  • Score: 20

5:40pm Thu 10 Jul 14

hal pel says...

myfanwy7 wrote:
Are we sure the traders in the picture are not greengrocers, judging by the brilliant example of the greengrocer's apostrophe on their sign?
'ALL LIE'S'? It's certainly an odd written contraction, one I've never come across before. Who took that photograph?
[quote][p][bold]myfanwy7[/bold] wrote: Are we sure the traders in the picture are not greengrocers, judging by the brilliant example of the greengrocer's apostrophe on their sign?[/p][/quote]'ALL LIE'S'? It's certainly an odd written contraction, one I've never come across before. Who took that photograph? hal pel
  • Score: -1

5:49pm Thu 10 Jul 14

OriginalAngryDad says...

Maybe the leaflets all belong to LIE and they were just pointing this out...?
Maybe the leaflets all belong to LIE and they were just pointing this out...? OriginalAngryDad
  • Score: 13

5:54pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Rememberscarborough says...

So this union thinks threats and intimidation are "lighthearted"? I wonder what he would think if the general public used similar tactics on his members on days where they haven't decided to strike?

The words cowardly and double standards spring to mind and I won't support anyone who believes these are acceptable ways to treat anyone.
So this union thinks threats and intimidation are "lighthearted"? I wonder what he would think if the general public used similar tactics on his members on days where they haven't decided to strike? The words cowardly and double standards spring to mind and I won't support anyone who believes these are acceptable ways to treat anyone. Rememberscarborough
  • Score: 61

6:22pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Reality50 says...

I support the market traders and these public sector union militants make me sick.
I support the market traders and these public sector union militants make me sick. Reality50
  • Score: 53

6:39pm Thu 10 Jul 14

underwater says...

The public sector workers shoul be ashamed of themselves for this . Do they ever think that market traders do not have any of the perks that they have ie flexi time, long holidays , inflation proof pensions I could go on . It is about time they stood back and counted there blessings or try being selfemployed for a while that would certainly open there eyes to what real work is . Why dont they just shut up and put up with a government that is not Labour because that is what this is all about.
The public sector workers shoul be ashamed of themselves for this . Do they ever think that market traders do not have any of the perks that they have ie flexi time, long holidays , inflation proof pensions I could go on . It is about time they stood back and counted there blessings or try being selfemployed for a while that would certainly open there eyes to what real work is . Why dont they just shut up and put up with a government that is not Labour because that is what this is all about. underwater
  • Score: 38

7:08pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Gman13 says...

Just put all the leaflets in a bin, oh sorry forgot you can't they're all full because bins haven't been emptied today.
Just put all the leaflets in a bin, oh sorry forgot you can't they're all full because bins haven't been emptied today. Gman13
  • Score: 33

7:51pm Thu 10 Jul 14

allan111111 says...

Anything to do with the council the council touches turns to sh1T....
Anything to do with the council the council touches turns to sh1T.... allan111111
  • Score: 26

8:01pm Thu 10 Jul 14

aamirahmad says...

they were very rude people. they walked passed my shop on newport street and when i asked what the protest was about i got blanked and funny looks and then after a few people passed somebody just passed me a leaflet without even looking at me.
And it went straight in the bin.
they were very rude people. they walked passed my shop on newport street and when i asked what the protest was about i got blanked and funny looks and then after a few people passed somebody just passed me a leaflet without even looking at me. And it went straight in the bin. aamirahmad
  • Score: 34

8:19pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Digmore41 says...

The mob at the rally in town today will have collected little sympathy the way they were behaving. Shameful example of pack mentality.
The mob at the rally in town today will have collected little sympathy the way they were behaving. Shameful example of pack mentality. Digmore41
  • Score: 43

8:19pm Thu 10 Jul 14

merryhell1@hotmail.co.uk says...

Absolutely disgusting behaviour!!!!...Why should self employed people support council workers in their cushy jobs with pensions, flexi time, paid holidays, paid sick leave etc. etc....these people employ THEMSELVES!! If you arn't happy with your job start your own business!!!! But don't go around bullying hardworking market traders because you arn't happy with your lot!!
Absolutely disgusting behaviour!!!!...Why should self employed people support council workers in their cushy jobs with pensions, flexi time, paid holidays, paid sick leave etc. etc....these people employ THEMSELVES!! If you arn't happy with your job start your own business!!!! But don't go around bullying hardworking market traders because you arn't happy with your lot!! merryhell1@hotmail.co.uk
  • Score: 57

8:23pm Thu 10 Jul 14

boltonnut says...

They should be boycotting Syrian activists.
They should be boycotting Syrian activists. boltonnut
  • Score: 3

8:31pm Thu 10 Jul 14

EmShambles says...

Is that a lady!? I thought it was Gary Busey!
Is that a lady!? I thought it was Gary Busey! EmShambles
  • Score: 8

8:37pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Boltonlass20 says...

I am a council worker who chose to work today and the picketers were aggressive and blocked our way. NOT the behaviour I'd expect from an organisation seeking to convince and persuade. I was on the fence about unison before today but not any more!!!
I am a council worker who chose to work today and the picketers were aggressive and blocked our way. NOT the behaviour I'd expect from an organisation seeking to convince and persuade. I was on the fence about unison before today but not any more!!! Boltonlass20
  • Score: 55

9:08pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Bazzerd says...

council workers, firefighters, etc police etc many years in the past have had what now seems ridiculous pensions and guaranteed incremental /payscale pay rises in addition to bonus' and cost of living payrises,.
the people that pay for all that have had the opposite..myself being one of the 'people that pay for it'..and having had to take a 40% pay reduction due to the lack of work opportunities..and waiting in a queue at jobseekers..whilst the staff were all standing around having a brew and discussing how their flexi time and/or holiday allowance would allow them to have a long weekend at OUR expense at their holiday home or caravan etc made me feel quite angry..so I say
'WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD' OF WORK ..'..YOUR REACTION SO FAR WITH STRIKES ETC...HAS ONLY MADE EVERYONE REALISE WHAT WE ALREADY KNEW..THAT YOU CAN'T COPE WITH THE REALITY THAT WE HAVE HAD TO!!!..(and still pay your wages)..you bunch of crybabies!!
council workers, firefighters, etc police etc many years in the past have had what now seems ridiculous pensions and guaranteed incremental /payscale pay rises in addition to bonus' and cost of living payrises,. the people that pay for all that have had the opposite..myself being one of the 'people that pay for it'..and having had to take a 40% pay reduction due to the lack of work opportunities..and waiting in a queue at jobseekers..whilst the staff were all standing around having a brew and discussing how their flexi time and/or holiday allowance would allow them to have a long weekend at OUR expense at their holiday home or caravan etc made me feel quite angry..so I say 'WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD' OF WORK ..'..YOUR REACTION SO FAR WITH STRIKES ETC...HAS ONLY MADE EVERYONE REALISE WHAT WE ALREADY KNEW..THAT YOU CAN'T COPE WITH THE REALITY THAT WE HAVE HAD TO!!!..(and still pay your wages)..you bunch of crybabies!! Bazzerd
  • Score: 10

9:14pm Thu 10 Jul 14

fatboybwfc says...

OriginalAngryDad wrote:
Shameful behaviour.

Which demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding of the current political / economic climate by these fools.

If you want support, the last thing you do is alienate the general public by pulling stunts like this one.

Whoever's behind these leaflets is a bit thick if you ask me.

Probably a typical union "activist" (and before you all start, I used to be one in the BFAWU in Bolton, so I know what they can be like), who thinks they're a bit cleverer than everyone else and is full of their own self-importance but in reality, are a bit dim and naive.

Well done, Unite, as own goals go, this one's a beauty......
well done bolton council for keeping us open .thanks for your help all day and all the volunteers.to all our unison friends get lost youre not welcome,the market is for the people of bolton not unison scum...
[quote][p][bold]OriginalAngryDad[/bold] wrote: Shameful behaviour. Which demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding of the current political / economic climate by these fools. If you want support, the last thing you do is alienate the general public by pulling stunts like this one. Whoever's behind these leaflets is a bit thick if you ask me. Probably a typical union "activist" (and before you all start, I used to be one in the BFAWU in Bolton, so I know what they can be like), who thinks they're a bit cleverer than everyone else and is full of their own self-importance but in reality, are a bit dim and naive. Well done, Unite, as own goals go, this one's a beauty......[/p][/quote]well done bolton council for keeping us open .thanks for your help all day and all the volunteers.to all our unison friends get lost youre not welcome,the market is for the people of bolton not unison scum... fatboybwfc
  • Score: 27

9:16pm Thu 10 Jul 14

fatboybwfc says...

Boltonlass20 wrote:
I am a council worker who chose to work today and the picketers were aggressive and blocked our way. NOT the behaviour I'd expect from an organisation seeking to convince and persuade. I was on the fence about unison before today but not any more!!!
well said if you dont like your job leave
[quote][p][bold]Boltonlass20[/bold] wrote: I am a council worker who chose to work today and the picketers were aggressive and blocked our way. NOT the behaviour I'd expect from an organisation seeking to convince and persuade. I was on the fence about unison before today but not any more!!![/p][/quote]well said if you dont like your job leave fatboybwfc
  • Score: 12

9:25pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Bazzerd says...

..and as an addition..all the teachers who failed to turn up to teach should be fined the same amount per child as the parents get fined for taking their child out of class...fairs fair yeah?..apparently not when dealing with namby pamby council workers.
I actually feel sick due to the double standards that you are using and expecting sympathy from people that have had their lives decimated by income reduction, house losses etc....and you still expect us to pay your wages increase..why should we???..you should suffer as we have done.
if you are suffering so much what you need to do is is to swap jobs with an employed private sector/ self employed person...lose all your benefits/pension etc.see how you cope with that ...any takers?..cos i'm pretty sure you will realise how good you have it within a week...and welcome your cushy job back..and start moaning about how badly your'e being treated..again.
..and as an addition..all the teachers who failed to turn up to teach should be fined the same amount per child as the parents get fined for taking their child out of class...fairs fair yeah?..apparently not when dealing with namby pamby council workers. I actually feel sick due to the double standards that you are using and expecting sympathy from people that have had their lives decimated by income reduction, house losses etc....and you still expect us to pay your wages increase..why should we???..you should suffer as we have done. if you are suffering so much what you need to do is is to swap jobs with an employed private sector/ self employed person...lose all your benefits/pension etc.see how you cope with that ...any takers?..cos i'm pretty sure you will realise how good you have it within a week...and welcome your cushy job back..and start moaning about how badly your'e being treated..again. Bazzerd
  • Score: 23

9:26pm Thu 10 Jul 14

fatboybwfc says...

Reality50 wrote:
I support the market traders and these public sector union militants make me sick.
thanks for your support, traders respect you for this.All this was achieved with the help of the management and council,so thanks to them too.We as traders will not be intimmidated,banging on windows and making 85 year old ladies cry well done.
[quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: I support the market traders and these public sector union militants make me sick.[/p][/quote]thanks for your support, traders respect you for this.All this was achieved with the help of the management and council,so thanks to them too.We as traders will not be intimmidated,banging on windows and making 85 year old ladies cry well done. fatboybwfc
  • Score: 20

9:32pm Thu 10 Jul 14

fatboybwfc says...

Gman13 wrote:
Just put all the leaflets in a bin, oh sorry forgot you can't they're all full because bins haven't been emptied today.
the bins were not full because the traders and volunteers were doing them,so perhaps we dont need them.ironic that,one strike and everyone hates unison
[quote][p][bold]Gman13[/bold] wrote: Just put all the leaflets in a bin, oh sorry forgot you can't they're all full because bins haven't been emptied today.[/p][/quote]the bins were not full because the traders and volunteers were doing them,so perhaps we dont need them.ironic that,one strike and everyone hates unison fatboybwfc
  • Score: -1

9:36pm Thu 10 Jul 14

fatboybwfc says...

Taki1940 wrote:
Light hearted, so says Unison. Their worst case is not having as high a rise as they want. Most market traders are up very early to be ready for business and work through as long as it takes. No one has a choice abut paying rates or taxes. Traders have to work for every penny.

The leaflet was the sick product of a sick mindset. Are we sure that this was not a Tory trick? (That is light hearted)
the woman handing them out was photographed and is being reported,we believe she works for childrens services.
[quote][p][bold]Taki1940[/bold] wrote: Light hearted, so says Unison. Their worst case is not having as high a rise as they want. Most market traders are up very early to be ready for business and work through as long as it takes. No one has a choice abut paying rates or taxes. Traders have to work for every penny. The leaflet was the sick product of a sick mindset. Are we sure that this was not a Tory trick? (That is light hearted)[/p][/quote]the woman handing them out was photographed and is being reported,we believe she works for childrens services. fatboybwfc
  • Score: 17

9:43pm Thu 10 Jul 14

EmShambles says...

Bazzerd wrote:
..and as an addition..all the teachers who failed to turn up to teach should be fined the same amount per child as the parents get fined for taking their child out of class...fairs fair yeah?..apparently not when dealing with namby pamby council workers.
I actually feel sick due to the double standards that you are using and expecting sympathy from people that have had their lives decimated by income reduction, house losses etc....and you still expect us to pay your wages increase..why should we???..you should suffer as we have done.
if you are suffering so much what you need to do is is to swap jobs with an employed private sector/ self employed person...lose all your benefits/pension etc.see how you cope with that ...any takers?..cos i'm pretty sure you will realise how good you have it within a week...and welcome your cushy job back..and start moaning about how badly your'e being treated..again.
Bazzerd says...

..and as an addition..all the teachers who failed to turn up to teach should be fined the same amount per child as the parents get fined for taking their child out of class...fairs fair yeah?..apparently not .


Spot on.
[quote][p][bold]Bazzerd[/bold] wrote: ..and as an addition..all the teachers who failed to turn up to teach should be fined the same amount per child as the parents get fined for taking their child out of class...fairs fair yeah?..apparently not when dealing with namby pamby council workers. I actually feel sick due to the double standards that you are using and expecting sympathy from people that have had their lives decimated by income reduction, house losses etc....and you still expect us to pay your wages increase..why should we???..you should suffer as we have done. if you are suffering so much what you need to do is is to swap jobs with an employed private sector/ self employed person...lose all your benefits/pension etc.see how you cope with that ...any takers?..cos i'm pretty sure you will realise how good you have it within a week...and welcome your cushy job back..and start moaning about how badly your'e being treated..again.[/p][/quote]Bazzerd says... ..and as an addition..all the teachers who failed to turn up to teach should be fined the same amount per child as the parents get fined for taking their child out of class...fairs fair yeah?..apparently not . Spot on. EmShambles
  • Score: 13

9:44pm Thu 10 Jul 14

allan111111 says...

Whilst the council are cutting services left, right, and center their staff seem to think they deserve a pay rise....what about the rest of us....very selfish
Whilst the council are cutting services left, right, and center their staff seem to think they deserve a pay rise....what about the rest of us....very selfish allan111111
  • Score: 13

10:04pm Thu 10 Jul 14

themoaner68 says...

I was stood outside the market at 10am today, when I was given one of these leaflets and told to "do the right thing"..
And to top it all, Parents stood with their children ( seeing as they couldn't get into school) had to hear a striker with a mic and loud speaker,walking past in the march singing " you can shove your 1% up your a**e"!!
Yep, teach the kids new words!!
I was stood outside the market at 10am today, when I was given one of these leaflets and told to "do the right thing".. And to top it all, Parents stood with their children ( seeing as they couldn't get into school) had to hear a striker with a mic and loud speaker,walking past in the march singing " you can shove your 1% up your a**e"!! Yep, teach the kids new words!! themoaner68
  • Score: 22

10:09pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Bazzerd says...

fatboybwfc wrote:
Taki1940 wrote:
Light hearted, so says Unison. Their worst case is not having as high a rise as they want. Most market traders are up very early to be ready for business and work through as long as it takes. No one has a choice abut paying rates or taxes. Traders have to work for every penny.

The leaflet was the sick product of a sick mindset. Are we sure that this was not a Tory trick? (That is light hearted)
the woman handing them out was photographed and is being reported,we believe she works for childrens services.
they will sack her eventually..but she will be re-employed in another dept..just like when they make cuts...95% of the cuts are just redeployed to other dept's..who have to make cuts next year...biggest manipulation of figures ever!!!
[quote][p][bold]fatboybwfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Taki1940[/bold] wrote: Light hearted, so says Unison. Their worst case is not having as high a rise as they want. Most market traders are up very early to be ready for business and work through as long as it takes. No one has a choice abut paying rates or taxes. Traders have to work for every penny. The leaflet was the sick product of a sick mindset. Are we sure that this was not a Tory trick? (That is light hearted)[/p][/quote]the woman handing them out was photographed and is being reported,we believe she works for childrens services.[/p][/quote]they will sack her eventually..but she will be re-employed in another dept..just like when they make cuts...95% of the cuts are just redeployed to other dept's..who have to make cuts next year...biggest manipulation of figures ever!!! Bazzerd
  • Score: 6

10:52pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Citizen Cane says...

This episode shows the callous and selfish disregard they hold for anybody who actually has to graft for a living rather than pretend to do so in a council non-job.
This episode shows the callous and selfish disregard they hold for anybody who actually has to graft for a living rather than pretend to do so in a council non-job. Citizen Cane
  • Score: 19

11:48pm Thu 10 Jul 14

liznotthequeen says...

Tony and Jayne I'll be on the market tomorrow to buy something off you.
Tony and Jayne I'll be on the market tomorrow to buy something off you. liznotthequeen
  • Score: 13

12:12am Fri 11 Jul 14

Chrome1 says...

On the story of the Farnworth lad taking aid to Syria arrested for certain sexual allegations; is it not irresponsible of the BN news to report this? Nothing has been proved and he hasn't been charged. Who leaked this story from the police? Just proves again that the Bolton News is a racist newspaper. If he is charged then name for sure.
On the story of the Farnworth lad taking aid to Syria arrested for certain sexual allegations; is it not irresponsible of the BN news to report this? Nothing has been proved and he hasn't been charged. Who leaked this story from the police? Just proves again that the Bolton News is a racist newspaper. If he is charged then name for sure. Chrome1
  • Score: -33

12:26am Fri 11 Jul 14

Bolton23 says...

This is a joke, right? None of that happened that was claimed.

Also, just because some have it worse doesn't mean that you shouldn't stand up for your rights. That's the problem with society these days, no one matters, fighting for your rights is seen as something bad.
This is a joke, right? None of that happened that was claimed. Also, just because some have it worse doesn't mean that you shouldn't stand up for your rights. That's the problem with society these days, no one matters, fighting for your rights is seen as something bad. Bolton23
  • Score: -14

1:17am Fri 11 Jul 14

Digmore41 says...

Bolton23 wrote:
This is a joke, right? None of that happened that was claimed.

Also, just because some have it worse doesn't mean that you shouldn't stand up for your rights. That's the problem with society these days, no one matters, fighting for your rights is seen as something bad.
Fighting for your rights is a democratic privilege. How you go about it will always get judged. Unfortunately today some of the strikers lost the Hearts and Minds argument. Bolton's Unison contingent were sloppy in their approach and impressed very few.
[quote][p][bold]Bolton23[/bold] wrote: This is a joke, right? None of that happened that was claimed. Also, just because some have it worse doesn't mean that you shouldn't stand up for your rights. That's the problem with society these days, no one matters, fighting for your rights is seen as something bad.[/p][/quote]Fighting for your rights is a democratic privilege. How you go about it will always get judged. Unfortunately today some of the strikers lost the Hearts and Minds argument. Bolton's Unison contingent were sloppy in their approach and impressed very few. Digmore41
  • Score: 18

8:23am Fri 11 Jul 14

The Running Man says...

Maybe the leaflets are the product of a sh*t stirrer who has nothing to do with the strike, but merely intends to discredit those who are taking industrial action? It wouldn't be hard for someone to do this, would it?

My he who stirs the sh*t lick the spoon!
Maybe the leaflets are the product of a sh*t stirrer who has nothing to do with the strike, but merely intends to discredit those who are taking industrial action? It wouldn't be hard for someone to do this, would it? My he who stirs the sh*t lick the spoon! The Running Man
  • Score: -10

9:24am Fri 11 Jul 14

toryhater says...

All lies? REALLY? The council workers were on strike. FACT. GMB and Unison did feel there was a lack of support for their plight and that in turn was seen as the traders not supporting the action. FACT. Bolton market: is it safe, a very relevant question FACT. The traders were seen to refuse to support the striking workers; it is those workers that ensure the Market is serviced to ensure it is clean, and free from debris, to ensure people can shop on the market. They clear the rubbish, clean the toilets, clear the tables in the food hall and work the compactor to ensure the 300 bins worth of rubbish is cleared from the site on a market day. When the strike was announce they could have taken the route of claiming compensation from the council due to being unable to trade. Its the old adage, you either stand with us or you are stood against us. The council first sat down with GMB and Unison on TUESDAY 8th JULY to discuss the market issue and that was to inform them that 10 senior managers with earnings in excess of 30K each would oversee the market that day. That is why workers were upset, they felt they had been undermined in their action, but without any dialogue to see if there was a solution !!!!! For those of you who don’t know how salaries work, the majority of shop floor council workers on the market receive some of the lowest wages in the council. As i read through the comments it is clear there are a couple of people with personal acts to grinds about Unison, as the march through the markets was a multi union march with unison members being the least represented!! A small number of trader’s behaviour was poor and aggressive on the day, something the workers say is a regular occurrence on normal working days, it is easy to sell one side of a story and the ugly truth is there were no winners yesterday on the market. It feels as though both sides were ‘played’ by the council !!!
All lies? REALLY? The council workers were on strike. FACT. GMB and Unison did feel there was a lack of support for their plight and that in turn was seen as the traders not supporting the action. FACT. Bolton market: is it safe, a very relevant question FACT. The traders were seen to refuse to support the striking workers; it is those workers that ensure the Market is serviced to ensure it is clean, and free from debris, to ensure people can shop on the market. They clear the rubbish, clean the toilets, clear the tables in the food hall and work the compactor to ensure the 300 bins worth of rubbish is cleared from the site on a market day. When the strike was announce they could have taken the route of claiming compensation from the council due to being unable to trade. Its the old adage, you either stand with us or you are stood against us. The council first sat down with GMB and Unison on TUESDAY 8th JULY to discuss the market issue and that was to inform them that 10 senior managers with earnings in excess of 30K each would oversee the market that day. That is why workers were upset, they felt they had been undermined in their action, but without any dialogue to see if there was a solution !!!!! For those of you who don’t know how salaries work, the majority of shop floor council workers on the market receive some of the lowest wages in the council. As i read through the comments it is clear there are a couple of people with personal acts to grinds about Unison, as the march through the markets was a multi union march with unison members being the least represented!! A small number of trader’s behaviour was poor and aggressive on the day, something the workers say is a regular occurrence on normal working days, it is easy to sell one side of a story and the ugly truth is there were no winners yesterday on the market. It feels as though both sides were ‘played’ by the council !!! toryhater
  • Score: -24

9:40am Fri 11 Jul 14

biglad44 says...

I'm in the union and striked yesterday lost a days pay and really didn't want to strike but I supported my union and now I feel let down the there slap dash sloppy approach to how they behaved. They have let them selves and every union member down. There is nothing lighthearted about going on strike.
I'm in the union and striked yesterday lost a days pay and really didn't want to strike but I supported my union and now I feel let down the there slap dash sloppy approach to how they behaved. They have let them selves and every union member down. There is nothing lighthearted about going on strike. biglad44
  • Score: 25

9:42am Fri 11 Jul 14

thomas222 says...

toryhater wrote:
All lies? REALLY? The council workers were on strike. FACT. GMB and Unison did feel there was a lack of support for their plight and that in turn was seen as the traders not supporting the action. FACT. Bolton market: is it safe, a very relevant question FACT. The traders were seen to refuse to support the striking workers; it is those workers that ensure the Market is serviced to ensure it is clean, and free from debris, to ensure people can shop on the market. They clear the rubbish, clean the toilets, clear the tables in the food hall and work the compactor to ensure the 300 bins worth of rubbish is cleared from the site on a market day. When the strike was announce they could have taken the route of claiming compensation from the council due to being unable to trade. Its the old adage, you either stand with us or you are stood against us. The council first sat down with GMB and Unison on TUESDAY 8th JULY to discuss the market issue and that was to inform them that 10 senior managers with earnings in excess of 30K each would oversee the market that day. That is why workers were upset, they felt they had been undermined in their action, but without any dialogue to see if there was a solution !!!!! For those of you who don’t know how salaries work, the majority of shop floor council workers on the market receive some of the lowest wages in the council. As i read through the comments it is clear there are a couple of people with personal acts to grinds about Unison, as the march through the markets was a multi union march with unison members being the least represented!! A small number of trader’s behaviour was poor and aggressive on the day, something the workers say is a regular occurrence on normal working days, it is easy to sell one side of a story and the ugly truth is there were no winners yesterday on the market. It feels as though both sides were ‘played’ by the council !!!
Are the Union you mention of the same opinion of the Unite Union in that they condone uncontrolled Immigration that is keeping their own members low wages down. Unites hook to get new members is the kind offer to help them claim all possible benefits on offer if they join them.
[quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: All lies? REALLY? The council workers were on strike. FACT. GMB and Unison did feel there was a lack of support for their plight and that in turn was seen as the traders not supporting the action. FACT. Bolton market: is it safe, a very relevant question FACT. The traders were seen to refuse to support the striking workers; it is those workers that ensure the Market is serviced to ensure it is clean, and free from debris, to ensure people can shop on the market. They clear the rubbish, clean the toilets, clear the tables in the food hall and work the compactor to ensure the 300 bins worth of rubbish is cleared from the site on a market day. When the strike was announce they could have taken the route of claiming compensation from the council due to being unable to trade. Its the old adage, you either stand with us or you are stood against us. The council first sat down with GMB and Unison on TUESDAY 8th JULY to discuss the market issue and that was to inform them that 10 senior managers with earnings in excess of 30K each would oversee the market that day. That is why workers were upset, they felt they had been undermined in their action, but without any dialogue to see if there was a solution !!!!! For those of you who don’t know how salaries work, the majority of shop floor council workers on the market receive some of the lowest wages in the council. As i read through the comments it is clear there are a couple of people with personal acts to grinds about Unison, as the march through the markets was a multi union march with unison members being the least represented!! A small number of trader’s behaviour was poor and aggressive on the day, something the workers say is a regular occurrence on normal working days, it is easy to sell one side of a story and the ugly truth is there were no winners yesterday on the market. It feels as though both sides were ‘played’ by the council !!![/p][/quote]Are the Union you mention of the same opinion of the Unite Union in that they condone uncontrolled Immigration that is keeping their own members low wages down. Unites hook to get new members is the kind offer to help them claim all possible benefits on offer if they join them. thomas222
  • Score: 9

11:21am Fri 11 Jul 14

Gman13 says...

fatboybwfc wrote:
Gman13 wrote:
Just put all the leaflets in a bin, oh sorry forgot you can't they're all full because bins haven't been emptied today.
the bins were not full because the traders and volunteers were doing them,so perhaps we dont need them.ironic that,one strike and everyone hates unison
I'm talking about everybody else's bin!!! Did they come round to your house and empty it???
[quote][p][bold]fatboybwfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gman13[/bold] wrote: Just put all the leaflets in a bin, oh sorry forgot you can't they're all full because bins haven't been emptied today.[/p][/quote]the bins were not full because the traders and volunteers were doing them,so perhaps we dont need them.ironic that,one strike and everyone hates unison[/p][/quote]I'm talking about everybody else's bin!!! Did they come round to your house and empty it??? Gman13
  • Score: 2

2:01pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Farnworth veteran says...

toryhater wrote:
All lies? REALLY? The council workers were on strike. FACT. GMB and Unison did feel there was a lack of support for their plight and that in turn was seen as the traders not supporting the action. FACT. Bolton market: is it safe, a very relevant question FACT. The traders were seen to refuse to support the striking workers; it is those workers that ensure the Market is serviced to ensure it is clean, and free from debris, to ensure people can shop on the market. They clear the rubbish, clean the toilets, clear the tables in the food hall and work the compactor to ensure the 300 bins worth of rubbish is cleared from the site on a market day. When the strike was announce they could have taken the route of claiming compensation from the council due to being unable to trade. Its the old adage, you either stand with us or you are stood against us. The council first sat down with GMB and Unison on TUESDAY 8th JULY to discuss the market issue and that was to inform them that 10 senior managers with earnings in excess of 30K each would oversee the market that day. That is why workers were upset, they felt they had been undermined in their action, but without any dialogue to see if there was a solution !!!!! For those of you who don’t know how salaries work, the majority of shop floor council workers on the market receive some of the lowest wages in the council. As i read through the comments it is clear there are a couple of people with personal acts to grinds about Unison, as the march through the markets was a multi union march with unison members being the least represented!! A small number of trader’s behaviour was poor and aggressive on the day, something the workers say is a regular occurrence on normal working days, it is easy to sell one side of a story and the ugly truth is there were no winners yesterday on the market. It feels as though both sides were ‘played’ by the council !!!
I find it really intersting that yesterday when my wife and i were shopping on Bolton market, when the unions walked through, I did not feel threatend or intimidated, but what I did witness was one of them union member's being verbally and physicaly abused, the stall I saw this happen on, I will not vist that stall again.
[quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: All lies? REALLY? The council workers were on strike. FACT. GMB and Unison did feel there was a lack of support for their plight and that in turn was seen as the traders not supporting the action. FACT. Bolton market: is it safe, a very relevant question FACT. The traders were seen to refuse to support the striking workers; it is those workers that ensure the Market is serviced to ensure it is clean, and free from debris, to ensure people can shop on the market. They clear the rubbish, clean the toilets, clear the tables in the food hall and work the compactor to ensure the 300 bins worth of rubbish is cleared from the site on a market day. When the strike was announce they could have taken the route of claiming compensation from the council due to being unable to trade. Its the old adage, you either stand with us or you are stood against us. The council first sat down with GMB and Unison on TUESDAY 8th JULY to discuss the market issue and that was to inform them that 10 senior managers with earnings in excess of 30K each would oversee the market that day. That is why workers were upset, they felt they had been undermined in their action, but without any dialogue to see if there was a solution !!!!! For those of you who don’t know how salaries work, the majority of shop floor council workers on the market receive some of the lowest wages in the council. As i read through the comments it is clear there are a couple of people with personal acts to grinds about Unison, as the march through the markets was a multi union march with unison members being the least represented!! A small number of trader’s behaviour was poor and aggressive on the day, something the workers say is a regular occurrence on normal working days, it is easy to sell one side of a story and the ugly truth is there were no winners yesterday on the market. It feels as though both sides were ‘played’ by the council !!![/p][/quote]I find it really intersting that yesterday when my wife and i were shopping on Bolton market, when the unions walked through, I did not feel threatend or intimidated, but what I did witness was one of them union member's being verbally and physicaly abused, the stall I saw this happen on, I will not vist that stall again. Farnworth veteran
  • Score: -13

2:10pm Fri 11 Jul 14

The Running Man says...

Farnworth veteran wrote:
toryhater wrote:
All lies? REALLY? The council workers were on strike. FACT. GMB and Unison did feel there was a lack of support for their plight and that in turn was seen as the traders not supporting the action. FACT. Bolton market: is it safe, a very relevant question FACT. The traders were seen to refuse to support the striking workers; it is those workers that ensure the Market is serviced to ensure it is clean, and free from debris, to ensure people can shop on the market. They clear the rubbish, clean the toilets, clear the tables in the food hall and work the compactor to ensure the 300 bins worth of rubbish is cleared from the site on a market day. When the strike was announce they could have taken the route of claiming compensation from the council due to being unable to trade. Its the old adage, you either stand with us or you are stood against us. The council first sat down with GMB and Unison on TUESDAY 8th JULY to discuss the market issue and that was to inform them that 10 senior managers with earnings in excess of 30K each would oversee the market that day. That is why workers were upset, they felt they had been undermined in their action, but without any dialogue to see if there was a solution !!!!! For those of you who don’t know how salaries work, the majority of shop floor council workers on the market receive some of the lowest wages in the council. As i read through the comments it is clear there are a couple of people with personal acts to grinds about Unison, as the march through the markets was a multi union march with unison members being the least represented!! A small number of trader’s behaviour was poor and aggressive on the day, something the workers say is a regular occurrence on normal working days, it is easy to sell one side of a story and the ugly truth is there were no winners yesterday on the market. It feels as though both sides were ‘played’ by the council !!!
I find it really intersting that yesterday when my wife and i were shopping on Bolton market, when the unions walked through, I did not feel threatend or intimidated, but what I did witness was one of them union member's being verbally and physicaly abused, the stall I saw this happen on, I will not vist that stall again.
Come on, name and shame!
[quote][p][bold]Farnworth veteran[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: All lies? REALLY? The council workers were on strike. FACT. GMB and Unison did feel there was a lack of support for their plight and that in turn was seen as the traders not supporting the action. FACT. Bolton market: is it safe, a very relevant question FACT. The traders were seen to refuse to support the striking workers; it is those workers that ensure the Market is serviced to ensure it is clean, and free from debris, to ensure people can shop on the market. They clear the rubbish, clean the toilets, clear the tables in the food hall and work the compactor to ensure the 300 bins worth of rubbish is cleared from the site on a market day. When the strike was announce they could have taken the route of claiming compensation from the council due to being unable to trade. Its the old adage, you either stand with us or you are stood against us. The council first sat down with GMB and Unison on TUESDAY 8th JULY to discuss the market issue and that was to inform them that 10 senior managers with earnings in excess of 30K each would oversee the market that day. That is why workers were upset, they felt they had been undermined in their action, but without any dialogue to see if there was a solution !!!!! For those of you who don’t know how salaries work, the majority of shop floor council workers on the market receive some of the lowest wages in the council. As i read through the comments it is clear there are a couple of people with personal acts to grinds about Unison, as the march through the markets was a multi union march with unison members being the least represented!! A small number of trader’s behaviour was poor and aggressive on the day, something the workers say is a regular occurrence on normal working days, it is easy to sell one side of a story and the ugly truth is there were no winners yesterday on the market. It feels as though both sides were ‘played’ by the council !!![/p][/quote]I find it really intersting that yesterday when my wife and i were shopping on Bolton market, when the unions walked through, I did not feel threatend or intimidated, but what I did witness was one of them union member's being verbally and physicaly abused, the stall I saw this happen on, I will not vist that stall again.[/p][/quote]Come on, name and shame! The Running Man
  • Score: 2

2:16pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Farnworth veteran says...

Gman13 wrote:
fatboybwfc wrote:
Gman13 wrote: Just put all the leaflets in a bin, oh sorry forgot you can't they're all full because bins haven't been emptied today.
the bins were not full because the traders and volunteers were doing them,so perhaps we dont need them.ironic that,one strike and everyone hates unison
I'm talking about everybody else's bin!!! Did they come round to your house and empty it???
sorry to dissapoint you my mate works on the bins and he was telling me the volunteers you refer to some of them were managers, on 50k plus a year, volenteers I think not!!
[quote][p][bold]Gman13[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fatboybwfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gman13[/bold] wrote: Just put all the leaflets in a bin, oh sorry forgot you can't they're all full because bins haven't been emptied today.[/p][/quote]the bins were not full because the traders and volunteers were doing them,so perhaps we dont need them.ironic that,one strike and everyone hates unison[/p][/quote]I'm talking about everybody else's bin!!! Did they come round to your house and empty it???[/p][/quote]sorry to dissapoint you my mate works on the bins and he was telling me the volunteers you refer to some of them were managers, on 50k plus a year, volenteers I think not!! Farnworth veteran
  • Score: 1

2:37pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Lancashire always says...

Unison bosses said the leaflets were intended as a “light-heartened protest”.
I think someone at Unison should have cast their eye over this light hearted banter style leaflet i for one as a union member find it highly inappropriate and offensive.
Unison bosses said the leaflets were intended as a “light-heartened protest”. I think someone at Unison should have cast their eye over this light hearted banter style leaflet i for one as a union member find it highly inappropriate and offensive. Lancashire always
  • Score: 10

4:22pm Fri 11 Jul 14

OriginalAngryDad says...

Toryhater......

Typing "FACT" in big letters does not in any way mean that the preceding statements are, in fact, "facts."

You sound like one of the union "activists" I referred to in my initial comment on this piece. (The one at the top with 85 positive votes.)

You're obviously angry and feel let down by all this, which is understandable because you and your ilk are precisely the type of vocal "foot soldiers" that the people pulling the strings (and making the money) at the top of the unions love.

You're being used, mate but you're too thick to see it.

Take it from an ex Shop Steward, the unions today are all run by wannabe politico's who are happy to "give it large" at Conference and whip you lot up, but when it comes down to it, they're in the pockets of the Bosses because of all the "special favours and privileges" they enjoy.

Wake up, mate....
Toryhater...... Typing "FACT" in big letters does not in any way mean that the preceding statements are, in fact, "facts." You sound like one of the union "activists" I referred to in my initial comment on this piece. (The one at the top with 85 positive votes.) You're obviously angry and feel let down by all this, which is understandable because you and your ilk are precisely the type of vocal "foot soldiers" that the people pulling the strings (and making the money) at the top of the unions love. You're being used, mate but you're too thick to see it. Take it from an ex Shop Steward, the unions today are all run by wannabe politico's who are happy to "give it large" at Conference and whip you lot up, but when it comes down to it, they're in the pockets of the Bosses because of all the "special favours and privileges" they enjoy. Wake up, mate.... OriginalAngryDad
  • Score: 13

4:41pm Fri 11 Jul 14

toryhater says...

fatboybwfc wrote:
Boltonlass20 wrote:
I am a council worker who chose to work today and the picketers were aggressive and blocked our way. NOT the behaviour I'd expect from an organisation seeking to convince and persuade. I was on the fence about unison before today but not any more!!!
well said if you dont like your job leave
you wont reject any increase we get,
[quote][p][bold]fatboybwfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Boltonlass20[/bold] wrote: I am a council worker who chose to work today and the picketers were aggressive and blocked our way. NOT the behaviour I'd expect from an organisation seeking to convince and persuade. I was on the fence about unison before today but not any more!!![/p][/quote]well said if you dont like your job leave[/p][/quote]you wont reject any increase we get, toryhater
  • Score: -11

4:43pm Fri 11 Jul 14

toryhater says...

thomas222 wrote:
toryhater wrote:
All lies? REALLY? The council workers were on strike. FACT. GMB and Unison did feel there was a lack of support for their plight and that in turn was seen as the traders not supporting the action. FACT. Bolton market: is it safe, a very relevant question FACT. The traders were seen to refuse to support the striking workers; it is those workers that ensure the Market is serviced to ensure it is clean, and free from debris, to ensure people can shop on the market. They clear the rubbish, clean the toilets, clear the tables in the food hall and work the compactor to ensure the 300 bins worth of rubbish is cleared from the site on a market day. When the strike was announce they could have taken the route of claiming compensation from the council due to being unable to trade. Its the old adage, you either stand with us or you are stood against us. The council first sat down with GMB and Unison on TUESDAY 8th JULY to discuss the market issue and that was to inform them that 10 senior managers with earnings in excess of 30K each would oversee the market that day. That is why workers were upset, they felt they had been undermined in their action, but without any dialogue to see if there was a solution !!!!! For those of you who don’t know how salaries work, the majority of shop floor council workers on the market receive some of the lowest wages in the council. As i read through the comments it is clear there are a couple of people with personal acts to grinds about Unison, as the march through the markets was a multi union march with unison members being the least represented!! A small number of trader’s behaviour was poor and aggressive on the day, something the workers say is a regular occurrence on normal working days, it is easy to sell one side of a story and the ugly truth is there were no winners yesterday on the market. It feels as though both sides were ‘played’ by the council !!!
Are the Union you mention of the same opinion of the Unite Union in that they condone uncontrolled Immigration that is keeping their own members low wages down. Unites hook to get new members is the kind offer to help them claim all possible benefits on offer if they join them.
Thomas222 doing the government's dirty work blame they neighbour not the parasites that really got us in this mess.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: All lies? REALLY? The council workers were on strike. FACT. GMB and Unison did feel there was a lack of support for their plight and that in turn was seen as the traders not supporting the action. FACT. Bolton market: is it safe, a very relevant question FACT. The traders were seen to refuse to support the striking workers; it is those workers that ensure the Market is serviced to ensure it is clean, and free from debris, to ensure people can shop on the market. They clear the rubbish, clean the toilets, clear the tables in the food hall and work the compactor to ensure the 300 bins worth of rubbish is cleared from the site on a market day. When the strike was announce they could have taken the route of claiming compensation from the council due to being unable to trade. Its the old adage, you either stand with us or you are stood against us. The council first sat down with GMB and Unison on TUESDAY 8th JULY to discuss the market issue and that was to inform them that 10 senior managers with earnings in excess of 30K each would oversee the market that day. That is why workers were upset, they felt they had been undermined in their action, but without any dialogue to see if there was a solution !!!!! For those of you who don’t know how salaries work, the majority of shop floor council workers on the market receive some of the lowest wages in the council. As i read through the comments it is clear there are a couple of people with personal acts to grinds about Unison, as the march through the markets was a multi union march with unison members being the least represented!! A small number of trader’s behaviour was poor and aggressive on the day, something the workers say is a regular occurrence on normal working days, it is easy to sell one side of a story and the ugly truth is there were no winners yesterday on the market. It feels as though both sides were ‘played’ by the council !!![/p][/quote]Are the Union you mention of the same opinion of the Unite Union in that they condone uncontrolled Immigration that is keeping their own members low wages down. Unites hook to get new members is the kind offer to help them claim all possible benefits on offer if they join them.[/p][/quote]Thomas222 doing the government's dirty work blame they neighbour not the parasites that really got us in this mess. toryhater
  • Score: -7

4:45pm Fri 11 Jul 14

toryhater says...

merryhell1@hotmail.c
o.uk
wrote:
Absolutely disgusting behaviour!!!!...Why should self employed people support council workers in their cushy jobs with pensions, flexi time, paid holidays, paid sick leave etc. etc....these people employ THEMSELVES!! If you arn't happy with your job start your own business!!!! But don't go around bullying hardworking market traders because you arn't happy with your lot!!
funny saw some bullying yesterday from trader the saying goes - people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones Jayne McClaren was the worst culprit in being aggressive
[quote][p][bold]merryhell1@hotmail.c o.uk[/bold] wrote: Absolutely disgusting behaviour!!!!...Why should self employed people support council workers in their cushy jobs with pensions, flexi time, paid holidays, paid sick leave etc. etc....these people employ THEMSELVES!! If you arn't happy with your job start your own business!!!! But don't go around bullying hardworking market traders because you arn't happy with your lot!![/p][/quote]funny saw some bullying yesterday from trader the saying goes - people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones Jayne McClaren was the worst culprit in being aggressive toryhater
  • Score: -1

4:54pm Fri 11 Jul 14

toryhater says...

OriginalAngryDad wrote:
Toryhater......

Typing "FACT" in big letters does not in any way mean that the preceding statements are, in fact, "facts."

You sound like one of the union "activists" I referred to in my initial comment on this piece. (The one at the top with 85 positive votes.)

You're obviously angry and feel let down by all this, which is understandable because you and your ilk are precisely the type of vocal "foot soldiers" that the people pulling the strings (and making the money) at the top of the unions love.

You're being used, mate but you're too thick to see it.

Take it from an ex Shop Steward, the unions today are all run by wannabe politico's who are happy to "give it large" at Conference and whip you lot up, but when it comes down to it, they're in the pockets of the Bosses because of all the "special favours and privileges" they enjoy.

Wake up, mate....
sorry mate, lets all just sit back and let our bosses do whatever they want, I'm no fool, I know exactly what union bosses are but the FACT is without the union behind you your just an individual with a little squeaky voice, I've seen some really good local gains by being in the union, sorry your just disillusioned with your experience, been in a union 27 years mate and you'd have to rip my membership out of my dead hand before I ever gave it up.
[quote][p][bold]OriginalAngryDad[/bold] wrote: Toryhater...... Typing "FACT" in big letters does not in any way mean that the preceding statements are, in fact, "facts." You sound like one of the union "activists" I referred to in my initial comment on this piece. (The one at the top with 85 positive votes.) You're obviously angry and feel let down by all this, which is understandable because you and your ilk are precisely the type of vocal "foot soldiers" that the people pulling the strings (and making the money) at the top of the unions love. You're being used, mate but you're too thick to see it. Take it from an ex Shop Steward, the unions today are all run by wannabe politico's who are happy to "give it large" at Conference and whip you lot up, but when it comes down to it, they're in the pockets of the Bosses because of all the "special favours and privileges" they enjoy. Wake up, mate....[/p][/quote]sorry mate, lets all just sit back and let our bosses do whatever they want, I'm no fool, I know exactly what union bosses are but the FACT is without the union behind you your just an individual with a little squeaky voice, I've seen some really good local gains by being in the union, sorry your just disillusioned with your experience, been in a union 27 years mate and you'd have to rip my membership out of my dead hand before I ever gave it up. toryhater
  • Score: -7

6:49pm Fri 11 Jul 14

thomas222 says...

toryhater wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
toryhater wrote:
All lies? REALLY? The council workers were on strike. FACT. GMB and Unison did feel there was a lack of support for their plight and that in turn was seen as the traders not supporting the action. FACT. Bolton market: is it safe, a very relevant question FACT. The traders were seen to refuse to support the striking workers; it is those workers that ensure the Market is serviced to ensure it is clean, and free from debris, to ensure people can shop on the market. They clear the rubbish, clean the toilets, clear the tables in the food hall and work the compactor to ensure the 300 bins worth of rubbish is cleared from the site on a market day. When the strike was announce they could have taken the route of claiming compensation from the council due to being unable to trade. Its the old adage, you either stand with us or you are stood against us. The council first sat down with GMB and Unison on TUESDAY 8th JULY to discuss the market issue and that was to inform them that 10 senior managers with earnings in excess of 30K each would oversee the market that day. That is why workers were upset, they felt they had been undermined in their action, but without any dialogue to see if there was a solution !!!!! For those of you who don’t know how salaries work, the majority of shop floor council workers on the market receive some of the lowest wages in the council. As i read through the comments it is clear there are a couple of people with personal acts to grinds about Unison, as the march through the markets was a multi union march with unison members being the least represented!! A small number of trader’s behaviour was poor and aggressive on the day, something the workers say is a regular occurrence on normal working days, it is easy to sell one side of a story and the ugly truth is there were no winners yesterday on the market. It feels as though both sides were ‘played’ by the council !!!
Are the Union you mention of the same opinion of the Unite Union in that they condone uncontrolled Immigration that is keeping their own members low wages down. Unites hook to get new members is the kind offer to help them claim all possible benefits on offer if they join them.
Thomas222 doing the government's dirty work blame they neighbour not the parasites that really got us in this mess.
I see you have no reply to my comments and choose to digress the question to another question. Salesmen do that.. answer a question with a question. ; )
[quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: All lies? REALLY? The council workers were on strike. FACT. GMB and Unison did feel there was a lack of support for their plight and that in turn was seen as the traders not supporting the action. FACT. Bolton market: is it safe, a very relevant question FACT. The traders were seen to refuse to support the striking workers; it is those workers that ensure the Market is serviced to ensure it is clean, and free from debris, to ensure people can shop on the market. They clear the rubbish, clean the toilets, clear the tables in the food hall and work the compactor to ensure the 300 bins worth of rubbish is cleared from the site on a market day. When the strike was announce they could have taken the route of claiming compensation from the council due to being unable to trade. Its the old adage, you either stand with us or you are stood against us. The council first sat down with GMB and Unison on TUESDAY 8th JULY to discuss the market issue and that was to inform them that 10 senior managers with earnings in excess of 30K each would oversee the market that day. That is why workers were upset, they felt they had been undermined in their action, but without any dialogue to see if there was a solution !!!!! For those of you who don’t know how salaries work, the majority of shop floor council workers on the market receive some of the lowest wages in the council. As i read through the comments it is clear there are a couple of people with personal acts to grinds about Unison, as the march through the markets was a multi union march with unison members being the least represented!! A small number of trader’s behaviour was poor and aggressive on the day, something the workers say is a regular occurrence on normal working days, it is easy to sell one side of a story and the ugly truth is there were no winners yesterday on the market. It feels as though both sides were ‘played’ by the council !!![/p][/quote]Are the Union you mention of the same opinion of the Unite Union in that they condone uncontrolled Immigration that is keeping their own members low wages down. Unites hook to get new members is the kind offer to help them claim all possible benefits on offer if they join them.[/p][/quote]Thomas222 doing the government's dirty work blame they neighbour not the parasites that really got us in this mess.[/p][/quote]I see you have no reply to my comments and choose to digress the question to another question. Salesmen do that.. answer a question with a question. ; ) thomas222
  • Score: 4

7:34pm Fri 11 Jul 14

toryhater says...

thomas222 wrote:
toryhater wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
toryhater wrote:
All lies? REALLY? The council workers were on strike. FACT. GMB and Unison did feel there was a lack of support for their plight and that in turn was seen as the traders not supporting the action. FACT. Bolton market: is it safe, a very relevant question FACT. The traders were seen to refuse to support the striking workers; it is those workers that ensure the Market is serviced to ensure it is clean, and free from debris, to ensure people can shop on the market. They clear the rubbish, clean the toilets, clear the tables in the food hall and work the compactor to ensure the 300 bins worth of rubbish is cleared from the site on a market day. When the strike was announce they could have taken the route of claiming compensation from the council due to being unable to trade. Its the old adage, you either stand with us or you are stood against us. The council first sat down with GMB and Unison on TUESDAY 8th JULY to discuss the market issue and that was to inform them that 10 senior managers with earnings in excess of 30K each would oversee the market that day. That is why workers were upset, they felt they had been undermined in their action, but without any dialogue to see if there was a solution !!!!! For those of you who don’t know how salaries work, the majority of shop floor council workers on the market receive some of the lowest wages in the council. As i read through the comments it is clear there are a couple of people with personal acts to grinds about Unison, as the march through the markets was a multi union march with unison members being the least represented!! A small number of trader’s behaviour was poor and aggressive on the day, something the workers say is a regular occurrence on normal working days, it is easy to sell one side of a story and the ugly truth is there were no winners yesterday on the market. It feels as though both sides were ‘played’ by the council !!!
Are the Union you mention of the same opinion of the Unite Union in that they condone uncontrolled Immigration that is keeping their own members low wages down. Unites hook to get new members is the kind offer to help them claim all possible benefits on offer if they join them.
Thomas222 doing the government's dirty work blame they neighbour not the parasites that really got us in this mess.
I see you have no reply to my comments and choose to digress the question to another question. Salesmen do that.. answer a question with a question. ; )
I fail to see how blaming the immigrant's is the answer instead of holding the real source of how this started to account
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: All lies? REALLY? The council workers were on strike. FACT. GMB and Unison did feel there was a lack of support for their plight and that in turn was seen as the traders not supporting the action. FACT. Bolton market: is it safe, a very relevant question FACT. The traders were seen to refuse to support the striking workers; it is those workers that ensure the Market is serviced to ensure it is clean, and free from debris, to ensure people can shop on the market. They clear the rubbish, clean the toilets, clear the tables in the food hall and work the compactor to ensure the 300 bins worth of rubbish is cleared from the site on a market day. When the strike was announce they could have taken the route of claiming compensation from the council due to being unable to trade. Its the old adage, you either stand with us or you are stood against us. The council first sat down with GMB and Unison on TUESDAY 8th JULY to discuss the market issue and that was to inform them that 10 senior managers with earnings in excess of 30K each would oversee the market that day. That is why workers were upset, they felt they had been undermined in their action, but without any dialogue to see if there was a solution !!!!! For those of you who don’t know how salaries work, the majority of shop floor council workers on the market receive some of the lowest wages in the council. As i read through the comments it is clear there are a couple of people with personal acts to grinds about Unison, as the march through the markets was a multi union march with unison members being the least represented!! A small number of trader’s behaviour was poor and aggressive on the day, something the workers say is a regular occurrence on normal working days, it is easy to sell one side of a story and the ugly truth is there were no winners yesterday on the market. It feels as though both sides were ‘played’ by the council !!![/p][/quote]Are the Union you mention of the same opinion of the Unite Union in that they condone uncontrolled Immigration that is keeping their own members low wages down. Unites hook to get new members is the kind offer to help them claim all possible benefits on offer if they join them.[/p][/quote]Thomas222 doing the government's dirty work blame they neighbour not the parasites that really got us in this mess.[/p][/quote]I see you have no reply to my comments and choose to digress the question to another question. Salesmen do that.. answer a question with a question. ; )[/p][/quote]I fail to see how blaming the immigrant's is the answer instead of holding the real source of how this started to account toryhater
  • Score: -7

8:28pm Fri 11 Jul 14

thomas222 says...

toryhater wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
toryhater wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
toryhater wrote:
All lies? REALLY? The council workers were on strike. FACT. GMB and Unison did feel there was a lack of support for their plight and that in turn was seen as the traders not supporting the action. FACT. Bolton market: is it safe, a very relevant question FACT. The traders were seen to refuse to support the striking workers; it is those workers that ensure the Market is serviced to ensure it is clean, and free from debris, to ensure people can shop on the market. They clear the rubbish, clean the toilets, clear the tables in the food hall and work the compactor to ensure the 300 bins worth of rubbish is cleared from the site on a market day. When the strike was announce they could have taken the route of claiming compensation from the council due to being unable to trade. Its the old adage, you either stand with us or you are stood against us. The council first sat down with GMB and Unison on TUESDAY 8th JULY to discuss the market issue and that was to inform them that 10 senior managers with earnings in excess of 30K each would oversee the market that day. That is why workers were upset, they felt they had been undermined in their action, but without any dialogue to see if there was a solution !!!!! For those of you who don’t know how salaries work, the majority of shop floor council workers on the market receive some of the lowest wages in the council. As i read through the comments it is clear there are a couple of people with personal acts to grinds about Unison, as the march through the markets was a multi union march with unison members being the least represented!! A small number of trader’s behaviour was poor and aggressive on the day, something the workers say is a regular occurrence on normal working days, it is easy to sell one side of a story and the ugly truth is there were no winners yesterday on the market. It feels as though both sides were ‘played’ by the council !!!
Are the Union you mention of the same opinion of the Unite Union in that they condone uncontrolled Immigration that is keeping their own members low wages down. Unites hook to get new members is the kind offer to help them claim all possible benefits on offer if they join them.
Thomas222 doing the government's dirty work blame they neighbour not the parasites that really got us in this mess.
I see you have no reply to my comments and choose to digress the question to another question. Salesmen do that.. answer a question with a question. ; )
I fail to see how blaming the immigrant's is the answer instead of holding the real source of how this started to account
Look and read about Immigration causing for many problems in Schools, Hospitals, Doctors, Housing then tell me there isnt a Immigration problem. Even Labour have said we are sorry for imposing the Immigration mess. Bolton General Hospital are going over to Spain and Portugal to recruit for Nurses, tell me thats ok with you.
[quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: All lies? REALLY? The council workers were on strike. FACT. GMB and Unison did feel there was a lack of support for their plight and that in turn was seen as the traders not supporting the action. FACT. Bolton market: is it safe, a very relevant question FACT. The traders were seen to refuse to support the striking workers; it is those workers that ensure the Market is serviced to ensure it is clean, and free from debris, to ensure people can shop on the market. They clear the rubbish, clean the toilets, clear the tables in the food hall and work the compactor to ensure the 300 bins worth of rubbish is cleared from the site on a market day. When the strike was announce they could have taken the route of claiming compensation from the council due to being unable to trade. Its the old adage, you either stand with us or you are stood against us. The council first sat down with GMB and Unison on TUESDAY 8th JULY to discuss the market issue and that was to inform them that 10 senior managers with earnings in excess of 30K each would oversee the market that day. That is why workers were upset, they felt they had been undermined in their action, but without any dialogue to see if there was a solution !!!!! For those of you who don’t know how salaries work, the majority of shop floor council workers on the market receive some of the lowest wages in the council. As i read through the comments it is clear there are a couple of people with personal acts to grinds about Unison, as the march through the markets was a multi union march with unison members being the least represented!! A small number of trader’s behaviour was poor and aggressive on the day, something the workers say is a regular occurrence on normal working days, it is easy to sell one side of a story and the ugly truth is there were no winners yesterday on the market. It feels as though both sides were ‘played’ by the council !!![/p][/quote]Are the Union you mention of the same opinion of the Unite Union in that they condone uncontrolled Immigration that is keeping their own members low wages down. Unites hook to get new members is the kind offer to help them claim all possible benefits on offer if they join them.[/p][/quote]Thomas222 doing the government's dirty work blame they neighbour not the parasites that really got us in this mess.[/p][/quote]I see you have no reply to my comments and choose to digress the question to another question. Salesmen do that.. answer a question with a question. ; )[/p][/quote]I fail to see how blaming the immigrant's is the answer instead of holding the real source of how this started to account[/p][/quote]Look and read about Immigration causing for many problems in Schools, Hospitals, Doctors, Housing then tell me there isnt a Immigration problem. Even Labour have said we are sorry for imposing the Immigration mess. Bolton General Hospital are going over to Spain and Portugal to recruit for Nurses, tell me thats ok with you. thomas222
  • Score: 5

8:38pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Sickandtiredoffit says...

Market traders should have had a couple of months off with Stress or Personal problems then they could come back refreshed do a quick training day then prepare for the summer holidays simples !!
Market traders should have had a couple of months off with Stress or Personal problems then they could come back refreshed do a quick training day then prepare for the summer holidays simples !! Sickandtiredoffit
  • Score: 6

8:49pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Jangreene says...

I have been reading with interest all the comments posted above and how political everything seems to get and "how he said she said" it all is... I am NOT political in any sense of the word and I suppose I see things from my point of view (this may be wrong in some peoples eyes) but also try to see others views as well. I walk to work every market day morning with a council worker and as a self employed trader on Bolton Market I discussed with her the strike and my view was that everyone who is in a union has the right to strike if they want to... Want to being to operative word.... Not all workers always want to strike... I am very sorry but I don't have that luxury... Being self employed means I have no employer to take my grievances to, ask for sick pay, holiday a pension etc... Mine is not a 9 - 5 job... I work 4 days a week on the market.. Sundays I work at shows,, Monday and Wednesday I work at home making up my orders for other people, basically I and many of my fellow traders work more hours than most other people as our job comes home with us.. I cannot afford to take a "day off" and pay rent for it And lose a days takings... mine is not a guaranteed wage (in fact I don't always get one!!) and also do those unionists realise that some of us have just had 2 - 3 moves in 12 months and are struggling as it is to build our businesses back up again.. Although I didn't see any argy bargy I did see the leaflet and I am sorry but it bl**dy annoyed me!!! I work 52 weeks a year so yes a "strike day" would be lovely but how many union members actually stood together shoulder to shoulder in protest or did the bulk of them treat it as a day off and go and do something "nice"!!!
here endeth the lesson ... btw as you may or not notice I am not afraid to use my own name...
I have been reading with interest all the comments posted above and how political everything seems to get and "how he said she said" it all is... I am NOT political in any sense of the word and I suppose I see things from my point of view (this may be wrong in some peoples eyes) but also try to see others views as well. I walk to work every market day morning with a council worker and as a self employed trader on Bolton Market I discussed with her the strike and my view was that everyone who is in a union has the right to strike if they want to... Want to being to operative word.... Not all workers always want to strike... I am very sorry but I don't have that luxury... Being self employed means I have no employer to take my grievances to, ask for sick pay, holiday a pension etc... Mine is not a 9 - 5 job... I work 4 days a week on the market.. Sundays I work at shows,, Monday and Wednesday I work at home making up my orders for other people, basically I and many of my fellow traders work more hours than most other people as our job comes home with us.. I cannot afford to take a "day off" and pay rent for it And lose a days takings... mine is not a guaranteed wage (in fact I don't always get one!!) and also do those unionists realise that some of us have just had 2 - 3 moves in 12 months and are struggling as it is to build our businesses back up again.. Although I didn't see any argy bargy I did see the leaflet and I am sorry but it bl**dy annoyed me!!! I work 52 weeks a year so yes a "strike day" would be lovely but how many union members actually stood together shoulder to shoulder in protest or did the bulk of them treat it as a day off and go and do something "nice"!!! here endeth the lesson ... btw as you may or not notice I am not afraid to use my own name... Jangreene
  • Score: 13

8:55pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Jangreene says...

toryhater wrote:
merryhell1@hotmail.c

o.uk
wrote:
Absolutely disgusting behaviour!!!!...Why should self employed people support council workers in their cushy jobs with pensions, flexi time, paid holidays, paid sick leave etc. etc....these people employ THEMSELVES!! If you arn't happy with your job start your own business!!!! But don't go around bullying hardworking market traders because you arn't happy with your lot!!
funny saw some bullying yesterday from trader the saying goes - people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones Jayne McClaren was the worst culprit in being aggressive
I am very sorry that you felt the need to name a market trader who has worked very hard for the market traders of this market... Jayne is a lovely girl and maybe you didn't see or hear all that might have gone on before.. If it comes to naming and shaming I can name council workers who can be very intimidating and have been to me for no reason what so ever, and these are the ones who want me to stand shoulder to shoulder with them... sorry No Thank You...
[quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]merryhell1@hotmail.c o.uk[/bold] wrote: Absolutely disgusting behaviour!!!!...Why should self employed people support council workers in their cushy jobs with pensions, flexi time, paid holidays, paid sick leave etc. etc....these people employ THEMSELVES!! If you arn't happy with your job start your own business!!!! But don't go around bullying hardworking market traders because you arn't happy with your lot!![/p][/quote]funny saw some bullying yesterday from trader the saying goes - people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones Jayne McClaren was the worst culprit in being aggressive[/p][/quote]I am very sorry that you felt the need to name a market trader who has worked very hard for the market traders of this market... Jayne is a lovely girl and maybe you didn't see or hear all that might have gone on before.. If it comes to naming and shaming I can name council workers who can be very intimidating and have been to me for no reason what so ever, and these are the ones who want me to stand shoulder to shoulder with them... sorry No Thank You... Jangreene
  • Score: 11

8:59pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Jangreene says...

Jangreene wrote:
toryhater wrote:
merryhell1@hotmail.c


o.uk
wrote:
Absolutely disgusting behaviour!!!!...Why should self employed people support council workers in their cushy jobs with pensions, flexi time, paid holidays, paid sick leave etc. etc....these people employ THEMSELVES!! If you arn't happy with your job start your own business!!!! But don't go around bullying hardworking market traders because you arn't happy with your lot!!
funny saw some bullying yesterday from trader the saying goes - people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones Jayne McClaren was the worst culprit in being aggressive
I am very sorry that you felt the need to name a market trader who has worked very hard for the market traders of this market... Jayne is a lovely girl and maybe you didn't see or hear all that might have gone on before.. If it comes to naming and shaming I can name council workers who can be very intimidating and have been to me for no reason what so ever, and these are the ones who want me to stand shoulder to shoulder with them... sorry No Thank You...
P.S if you are gonna name and shame someone Spell Their Name Right!!!
[quote][p][bold]Jangreene[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]merryhell1@hotmail.c o.uk[/bold] wrote: Absolutely disgusting behaviour!!!!...Why should self employed people support council workers in their cushy jobs with pensions, flexi time, paid holidays, paid sick leave etc. etc....these people employ THEMSELVES!! If you arn't happy with your job start your own business!!!! But don't go around bullying hardworking market traders because you arn't happy with your lot!![/p][/quote]funny saw some bullying yesterday from trader the saying goes - people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones Jayne McClaren was the worst culprit in being aggressive[/p][/quote]I am very sorry that you felt the need to name a market trader who has worked very hard for the market traders of this market... Jayne is a lovely girl and maybe you didn't see or hear all that might have gone on before.. If it comes to naming and shaming I can name council workers who can be very intimidating and have been to me for no reason what so ever, and these are the ones who want me to stand shoulder to shoulder with them... sorry No Thank You...[/p][/quote]P.S if you are gonna name and shame someone Spell Their Name Right!!! Jangreene
  • Score: 5

9:04pm Fri 11 Jul 14

toryhater says...

thomas222 wrote:
toryhater wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
toryhater wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
toryhater wrote:
All lies? REALLY? The council workers were on strike. FACT. GMB and Unison did feel there was a lack of support for their plight and that in turn was seen as the traders not supporting the action. FACT. Bolton market: is it safe, a very relevant question FACT. The traders were seen to refuse to support the striking workers; it is those workers that ensure the Market is serviced to ensure it is clean, and free from debris, to ensure people can shop on the market. They clear the rubbish, clean the toilets, clear the tables in the food hall and work the compactor to ensure the 300 bins worth of rubbish is cleared from the site on a market day. When the strike was announce they could have taken the route of claiming compensation from the council due to being unable to trade. Its the old adage, you either stand with us or you are stood against us. The council first sat down with GMB and Unison on TUESDAY 8th JULY to discuss the market issue and that was to inform them that 10 senior managers with earnings in excess of 30K each would oversee the market that day. That is why workers were upset, they felt they had been undermined in their action, but without any dialogue to see if there was a solution !!!!! For those of you who don’t know how salaries work, the majority of shop floor council workers on the market receive some of the lowest wages in the council. As i read through the comments it is clear there are a couple of people with personal acts to grinds about Unison, as the march through the markets was a multi union march with unison members being the least represented!! A small number of trader’s behaviour was poor and aggressive on the day, something the workers say is a regular occurrence on normal working days, it is easy to sell one side of a story and the ugly truth is there were no winners yesterday on the market. It feels as though both sides were ‘played’ by the council !!!
Are the Union you mention of the same opinion of the Unite Union in that they condone uncontrolled Immigration that is keeping their own members low wages down. Unites hook to get new members is the kind offer to help them claim all possible benefits on offer if they join them.
Thomas222 doing the government's dirty work blame they neighbour not the parasites that really got us in this mess.
I see you have no reply to my comments and choose to digress the question to another question. Salesmen do that.. answer a question with a question. ; )
I fail to see how blaming the immigrant's is the answer instead of holding the real source of how this started to account
Look and read about Immigration causing for many problems in Schools, Hospitals, Doctors, Housing then tell me there isnt a Immigration problem. Even Labour have said we are sorry for imposing the Immigration mess. Bolton General Hospital are going over to Spain and Portugal to recruit for Nurses, tell me thats ok with you.
my family members are immigrant's they came from Ireland and tried to undercut the road workers , sent money home and settled together to make communities, my mother often says people moved away from her on the bus when they heard her deep Irish accent. The NHS has run on migrant workers for decades and is reliant on them there is nothing new there, what I have seen is Labour and the Tories sell off council houses and not rebuild so clearly there is a housing crisis, I have seen both Labour and the Tories underinvest in new schools indeed in the last 10 years local primaries closed one after the other, I'm really sorry but I'm not buying your immigrant argument, the market has many migrant workers and makes the market what it is today, a vibrant multie cultural environment, I don't think you gave a toss about the traders, as a trade unionist, I am sad that events turned out as they did yesterday as I have previously commented, I saw no winners yesterday and that was from both sides, which leads to surmise that you just wanted to get on here and have a rant with no feeling for either side, just an opportunity to spout.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: All lies? REALLY? The council workers were on strike. FACT. GMB and Unison did feel there was a lack of support for their plight and that in turn was seen as the traders not supporting the action. FACT. Bolton market: is it safe, a very relevant question FACT. The traders were seen to refuse to support the striking workers; it is those workers that ensure the Market is serviced to ensure it is clean, and free from debris, to ensure people can shop on the market. They clear the rubbish, clean the toilets, clear the tables in the food hall and work the compactor to ensure the 300 bins worth of rubbish is cleared from the site on a market day. When the strike was announce they could have taken the route of claiming compensation from the council due to being unable to trade. Its the old adage, you either stand with us or you are stood against us. The council first sat down with GMB and Unison on TUESDAY 8th JULY to discuss the market issue and that was to inform them that 10 senior managers with earnings in excess of 30K each would oversee the market that day. That is why workers were upset, they felt they had been undermined in their action, but without any dialogue to see if there was a solution !!!!! For those of you who don’t know how salaries work, the majority of shop floor council workers on the market receive some of the lowest wages in the council. As i read through the comments it is clear there are a couple of people with personal acts to grinds about Unison, as the march through the markets was a multi union march with unison members being the least represented!! A small number of trader’s behaviour was poor and aggressive on the day, something the workers say is a regular occurrence on normal working days, it is easy to sell one side of a story and the ugly truth is there were no winners yesterday on the market. It feels as though both sides were ‘played’ by the council !!![/p][/quote]Are the Union you mention of the same opinion of the Unite Union in that they condone uncontrolled Immigration that is keeping their own members low wages down. Unites hook to get new members is the kind offer to help them claim all possible benefits on offer if they join them.[/p][/quote]Thomas222 doing the government's dirty work blame they neighbour not the parasites that really got us in this mess.[/p][/quote]I see you have no reply to my comments and choose to digress the question to another question. Salesmen do that.. answer a question with a question. ; )[/p][/quote]I fail to see how blaming the immigrant's is the answer instead of holding the real source of how this started to account[/p][/quote]Look and read about Immigration causing for many problems in Schools, Hospitals, Doctors, Housing then tell me there isnt a Immigration problem. Even Labour have said we are sorry for imposing the Immigration mess. Bolton General Hospital are going over to Spain and Portugal to recruit for Nurses, tell me thats ok with you.[/p][/quote]my family members are immigrant's they came from Ireland and tried to undercut the road workers , sent money home and settled together to make communities, my mother often says people moved away from her on the bus when they heard her deep Irish accent. The NHS has run on migrant workers for decades and is reliant on them there is nothing new there, what I have seen is Labour and the Tories sell off council houses and not rebuild so clearly there is a housing crisis, I have seen both Labour and the Tories underinvest in new schools indeed in the last 10 years local primaries closed one after the other, I'm really sorry but I'm not buying your immigrant argument, the market has many migrant workers and makes the market what it is today, a vibrant multie cultural environment, I don't think you gave a toss about the traders, as a trade unionist, I am sad that events turned out as they did yesterday as I have previously commented, I saw no winners yesterday and that was from both sides, which leads to surmise that you just wanted to get on here and have a rant with no feeling for either side, just an opportunity to spout. toryhater
  • Score: -2

9:12pm Fri 11 Jul 14

toryhater says...

Jangreene wrote:
toryhater wrote:
merryhell1@hotmail.c


o.uk
wrote:
Absolutely disgusting behaviour!!!!...Why should self employed people support council workers in their cushy jobs with pensions, flexi time, paid holidays, paid sick leave etc. etc....these people employ THEMSELVES!! If you arn't happy with your job start your own business!!!! But don't go around bullying hardworking market traders because you arn't happy with your lot!!
funny saw some bullying yesterday from trader the saying goes - people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones Jayne McClaren was the worst culprit in being aggressive
I am very sorry that you felt the need to name a market trader who has worked very hard for the market traders of this market... Jayne is a lovely girl and maybe you didn't see or hear all that might have gone on before.. If it comes to naming and shaming I can name council workers who can be very intimidating and have been to me for no reason what so ever, and these are the ones who want me to stand shoulder to shoulder with them... sorry No Thank You...
Jan, I'm being straight, Jayne put herself forward for the article which features trader saying the union members were aggressive, when she herself was aggressive in her manner. I take nothing away from Jayne if as you say she is a hard worker, I too have had some experience of the market lads and I see a different side to them. I have said there are 2 sides to every story and I will say it again, I see no winners from yesterdays market events, both sides should, as is mentioned in the article sit down and talk, I think the council played off the traders and the council staff. I think both sides have to try to move forward together
[quote][p][bold]Jangreene[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]merryhell1@hotmail.c o.uk[/bold] wrote: Absolutely disgusting behaviour!!!!...Why should self employed people support council workers in their cushy jobs with pensions, flexi time, paid holidays, paid sick leave etc. etc....these people employ THEMSELVES!! If you arn't happy with your job start your own business!!!! But don't go around bullying hardworking market traders because you arn't happy with your lot!![/p][/quote]funny saw some bullying yesterday from trader the saying goes - people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones Jayne McClaren was the worst culprit in being aggressive[/p][/quote]I am very sorry that you felt the need to name a market trader who has worked very hard for the market traders of this market... Jayne is a lovely girl and maybe you didn't see or hear all that might have gone on before.. If it comes to naming and shaming I can name council workers who can be very intimidating and have been to me for no reason what so ever, and these are the ones who want me to stand shoulder to shoulder with them... sorry No Thank You...[/p][/quote]Jan, I'm being straight, Jayne put herself forward for the article which features trader saying the union members were aggressive, when she herself was aggressive in her manner. I take nothing away from Jayne if as you say she is a hard worker, I too have had some experience of the market lads and I see a different side to them. I have said there are 2 sides to every story and I will say it again, I see no winners from yesterdays market events, both sides should, as is mentioned in the article sit down and talk, I think the council played off the traders and the council staff. I think both sides have to try to move forward together toryhater
  • Score: -3

10:49pm Fri 11 Jul 14

fatboybwfc says...

toryhater wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
toryhater wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
toryhater wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
toryhater wrote:
All lies? REALLY? The council workers were on strike. FACT. GMB and Unison did feel there was a lack of support for their plight and that in turn was seen as the traders not supporting the action. FACT. Bolton market: is it safe, a very relevant question FACT. The traders were seen to refuse to support the striking workers; it is those workers that ensure the Market is serviced to ensure it is clean, and free from debris, to ensure people can shop on the market. They clear the rubbish, clean the toilets, clear the tables in the food hall and work the compactor to ensure the 300 bins worth of rubbish is cleared from the site on a market day. When the strike was announce they could have taken the route of claiming compensation from the council due to being unable to trade. Its the old adage, you either stand with us or you are stood against us. The council first sat down with GMB and Unison on TUESDAY 8th JULY to discuss the market issue and that was to inform them that 10 senior managers with earnings in excess of 30K each would oversee the market that day. That is why workers were upset, they felt they had been undermined in their action, but without any dialogue to see if there was a solution !!!!! For those of you who don’t know how salaries work, the majority of shop floor council workers on the market receive some of the lowest wages in the council. As i read through the comments it is clear there are a couple of people with personal acts to grinds about Unison, as the march through the markets was a multi union march with unison members being the least represented!! A small number of trader’s behaviour was poor and aggressive on the day, something the workers say is a regular occurrence on normal working days, it is easy to sell one side of a story and the ugly truth is there were no winners yesterday on the market. It feels as though both sides were ‘played’ by the council !!!
Are the Union you mention of the same opinion of the Unite Union in that they condone uncontrolled Immigration that is keeping their own members low wages down. Unites hook to get new members is the kind offer to help them claim all possible benefits on offer if they join them.
Thomas222 doing the government's dirty work blame they neighbour not the parasites that really got us in this mess.
I see you have no reply to my comments and choose to digress the question to another question. Salesmen do that.. answer a question with a question. ; )
I fail to see how blaming the immigrant's is the answer instead of holding the real source of how this started to account
Look and read about Immigration causing for many problems in Schools, Hospitals, Doctors, Housing then tell me there isnt a Immigration problem. Even Labour have said we are sorry for imposing the Immigration mess. Bolton General Hospital are going over to Spain and Portugal to recruit for Nurses, tell me thats ok with you.
my family members are immigrant's they came from Ireland and tried to undercut the road workers , sent money home and settled together to make communities, my mother often says people moved away from her on the bus when they heard her deep Irish accent. The NHS has run on migrant workers for decades and is reliant on them there is nothing new there, what I have seen is Labour and the Tories sell off council houses and not rebuild so clearly there is a housing crisis, I have seen both Labour and the Tories underinvest in new schools indeed in the last 10 years local primaries closed one after the other, I'm really sorry but I'm not buying your immigrant argument, the market has many migrant workers and makes the market what it is today, a vibrant multie cultural environment, I don't think you gave a toss about the traders, as a trade unionist, I am sad that events turned out as they did yesterday as I have previously commented, I saw no winners yesterday and that was from both sides, which leads to surmise that you just wanted to get on here and have a rant with no feeling for either side, just an opportunity to spout.
the newspaper vote says it all .no to strikes on bolton market
[quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: All lies? REALLY? The council workers were on strike. FACT. GMB and Unison did feel there was a lack of support for their plight and that in turn was seen as the traders not supporting the action. FACT. Bolton market: is it safe, a very relevant question FACT. The traders were seen to refuse to support the striking workers; it is those workers that ensure the Market is serviced to ensure it is clean, and free from debris, to ensure people can shop on the market. They clear the rubbish, clean the toilets, clear the tables in the food hall and work the compactor to ensure the 300 bins worth of rubbish is cleared from the site on a market day. When the strike was announce they could have taken the route of claiming compensation from the council due to being unable to trade. Its the old adage, you either stand with us or you are stood against us. The council first sat down with GMB and Unison on TUESDAY 8th JULY to discuss the market issue and that was to inform them that 10 senior managers with earnings in excess of 30K each would oversee the market that day. That is why workers were upset, they felt they had been undermined in their action, but without any dialogue to see if there was a solution !!!!! For those of you who don’t know how salaries work, the majority of shop floor council workers on the market receive some of the lowest wages in the council. As i read through the comments it is clear there are a couple of people with personal acts to grinds about Unison, as the march through the markets was a multi union march with unison members being the least represented!! A small number of trader’s behaviour was poor and aggressive on the day, something the workers say is a regular occurrence on normal working days, it is easy to sell one side of a story and the ugly truth is there were no winners yesterday on the market. It feels as though both sides were ‘played’ by the council !!![/p][/quote]Are the Union you mention of the same opinion of the Unite Union in that they condone uncontrolled Immigration that is keeping their own members low wages down. Unites hook to get new members is the kind offer to help them claim all possible benefits on offer if they join them.[/p][/quote]Thomas222 doing the government's dirty work blame they neighbour not the parasites that really got us in this mess.[/p][/quote]I see you have no reply to my comments and choose to digress the question to another question. Salesmen do that.. answer a question with a question. ; )[/p][/quote]I fail to see how blaming the immigrant's is the answer instead of holding the real source of how this started to account[/p][/quote]Look and read about Immigration causing for many problems in Schools, Hospitals, Doctors, Housing then tell me there isnt a Immigration problem. Even Labour have said we are sorry for imposing the Immigration mess. Bolton General Hospital are going over to Spain and Portugal to recruit for Nurses, tell me thats ok with you.[/p][/quote]my family members are immigrant's they came from Ireland and tried to undercut the road workers , sent money home and settled together to make communities, my mother often says people moved away from her on the bus when they heard her deep Irish accent. The NHS has run on migrant workers for decades and is reliant on them there is nothing new there, what I have seen is Labour and the Tories sell off council houses and not rebuild so clearly there is a housing crisis, I have seen both Labour and the Tories underinvest in new schools indeed in the last 10 years local primaries closed one after the other, I'm really sorry but I'm not buying your immigrant argument, the market has many migrant workers and makes the market what it is today, a vibrant multie cultural environment, I don't think you gave a toss about the traders, as a trade unionist, I am sad that events turned out as they did yesterday as I have previously commented, I saw no winners yesterday and that was from both sides, which leads to surmise that you just wanted to get on here and have a rant with no feeling for either side, just an opportunity to spout.[/p][/quote]the newspaper vote says it all .no to strikes on bolton market fatboybwfc
  • Score: 6

10:56pm Fri 11 Jul 14

fatboybwfc says...

fatboybwfc wrote:
toryhater wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
toryhater wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
toryhater wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
toryhater wrote:
All lies? REALLY? The council workers were on strike. FACT. GMB and Unison did feel there was a lack of support for their plight and that in turn was seen as the traders not supporting the action. FACT. Bolton market: is it safe, a very relevant question FACT. The traders were seen to refuse to support the striking workers; it is those workers that ensure the Market is serviced to ensure it is clean, and free from debris, to ensure people can shop on the market. They clear the rubbish, clean the toilets, clear the tables in the food hall and work the compactor to ensure the 300 bins worth of rubbish is cleared from the site on a market day. When the strike was announce they could have taken the route of claiming compensation from the council due to being unable to trade. Its the old adage, you either stand with us or you are stood against us. The council first sat down with GMB and Unison on TUESDAY 8th JULY to discuss the market issue and that was to inform them that 10 senior managers with earnings in excess of 30K each would oversee the market that day. That is why workers were upset, they felt they had been undermined in their action, but without any dialogue to see if there was a solution !!!!! For those of you who don’t know how salaries work, the majority of shop floor council workers on the market receive some of the lowest wages in the council. As i read through the comments it is clear there are a couple of people with personal acts to grinds about Unison, as the march through the markets was a multi union march with unison members being the least represented!! A small number of trader’s behaviour was poor and aggressive on the day, something the workers say is a regular occurrence on normal working days, it is easy to sell one side of a story and the ugly truth is there were no winners yesterday on the market. It feels as though both sides were ‘played’ by the council !!!
Are the Union you mention of the same opinion of the Unite Union in that they condone uncontrolled Immigration that is keeping their own members low wages down. Unites hook to get new members is the kind offer to help them claim all possible benefits on offer if they join them.
Thomas222 doing the government's dirty work blame they neighbour not the parasites that really got us in this mess.
I see you have no reply to my comments and choose to digress the question to another question. Salesmen do that.. answer a question with a question. ; )
I fail to see how blaming the immigrant's is the answer instead of holding the real source of how this started to account
Look and read about Immigration causing for many problems in Schools, Hospitals, Doctors, Housing then tell me there isnt a Immigration problem. Even Labour have said we are sorry for imposing the Immigration mess. Bolton General Hospital are going over to Spain and Portugal to recruit for Nurses, tell me thats ok with you.
my family members are immigrant's they came from Ireland and tried to undercut the road workers , sent money home and settled together to make communities, my mother often says people moved away from her on the bus when they heard her deep Irish accent. The NHS has run on migrant workers for decades and is reliant on them there is nothing new there, what I have seen is Labour and the Tories sell off council houses and not rebuild so clearly there is a housing crisis, I have seen both Labour and the Tories underinvest in new schools indeed in the last 10 years local primaries closed one after the other, I'm really sorry but I'm not buying your immigrant argument, the market has many migrant workers and makes the market what it is today, a vibrant multie cultural environment, I don't think you gave a toss about the traders, as a trade unionist, I am sad that events turned out as they did yesterday as I have previously commented, I saw no winners yesterday and that was from both sides, which leads to surmise that you just wanted to get on here and have a rant with no feeling for either side, just an opportunity to spout.
the newspaper vote says it all .no to strikes on bolton market
its not underminding anyone letting managers overseeI the market,its letting traders work.you have the right to strike,but not to stop businesses trading.It says it all when you are called toryhater.you are just a faceless bully,were you the unison guy taking photos all day checking up on safety and cleanliness
[quote][p][bold]fatboybwfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: All lies? REALLY? The council workers were on strike. FACT. GMB and Unison did feel there was a lack of support for their plight and that in turn was seen as the traders not supporting the action. FACT. Bolton market: is it safe, a very relevant question FACT. The traders were seen to refuse to support the striking workers; it is those workers that ensure the Market is serviced to ensure it is clean, and free from debris, to ensure people can shop on the market. They clear the rubbish, clean the toilets, clear the tables in the food hall and work the compactor to ensure the 300 bins worth of rubbish is cleared from the site on a market day. When the strike was announce they could have taken the route of claiming compensation from the council due to being unable to trade. Its the old adage, you either stand with us or you are stood against us. The council first sat down with GMB and Unison on TUESDAY 8th JULY to discuss the market issue and that was to inform them that 10 senior managers with earnings in excess of 30K each would oversee the market that day. That is why workers were upset, they felt they had been undermined in their action, but without any dialogue to see if there was a solution !!!!! For those of you who don’t know how salaries work, the majority of shop floor council workers on the market receive some of the lowest wages in the council. As i read through the comments it is clear there are a couple of people with personal acts to grinds about Unison, as the march through the markets was a multi union march with unison members being the least represented!! A small number of trader’s behaviour was poor and aggressive on the day, something the workers say is a regular occurrence on normal working days, it is easy to sell one side of a story and the ugly truth is there were no winners yesterday on the market. It feels as though both sides were ‘played’ by the council !!![/p][/quote]Are the Union you mention of the same opinion of the Unite Union in that they condone uncontrolled Immigration that is keeping their own members low wages down. Unites hook to get new members is the kind offer to help them claim all possible benefits on offer if they join them.[/p][/quote]Thomas222 doing the government's dirty work blame they neighbour not the parasites that really got us in this mess.[/p][/quote]I see you have no reply to my comments and choose to digress the question to another question. Salesmen do that.. answer a question with a question. ; )[/p][/quote]I fail to see how blaming the immigrant's is the answer instead of holding the real source of how this started to account[/p][/quote]Look and read about Immigration causing for many problems in Schools, Hospitals, Doctors, Housing then tell me there isnt a Immigration problem. Even Labour have said we are sorry for imposing the Immigration mess. Bolton General Hospital are going over to Spain and Portugal to recruit for Nurses, tell me thats ok with you.[/p][/quote]my family members are immigrant's they came from Ireland and tried to undercut the road workers , sent money home and settled together to make communities, my mother often says people moved away from her on the bus when they heard her deep Irish accent. The NHS has run on migrant workers for decades and is reliant on them there is nothing new there, what I have seen is Labour and the Tories sell off council houses and not rebuild so clearly there is a housing crisis, I have seen both Labour and the Tories underinvest in new schools indeed in the last 10 years local primaries closed one after the other, I'm really sorry but I'm not buying your immigrant argument, the market has many migrant workers and makes the market what it is today, a vibrant multie cultural environment, I don't think you gave a toss about the traders, as a trade unionist, I am sad that events turned out as they did yesterday as I have previously commented, I saw no winners yesterday and that was from both sides, which leads to surmise that you just wanted to get on here and have a rant with no feeling for either side, just an opportunity to spout.[/p][/quote]the newspaper vote says it all .no to strikes on bolton market[/p][/quote]its not underminding anyone letting managers overseeI the market,its letting traders work.you have the right to strike,but not to stop businesses trading.It says it all when you are called toryhater.you are just a faceless bully,were you the unison guy taking photos all day checking up on safety and cleanliness fatboybwfc
  • Score: 6

10:59pm Fri 11 Jul 14

fatboybwfc says...

toryhater wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
toryhater wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
toryhater wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
toryhater wrote:
All lies? REALLY? The council workers were on strike. FACT. GMB and Unison did feel there was a lack of support for their plight and that in turn was seen as the traders not supporting the action. FACT. Bolton market: is it safe, a very relevant question FACT. The traders were seen to refuse to support the striking workers; it is those workers that ensure the Market is serviced to ensure it is clean, and free from debris, to ensure people can shop on the market. They clear the rubbish, clean the toilets, clear the tables in the food hall and work the compactor to ensure the 300 bins worth of rubbish is cleared from the site on a market day. When the strike was announce they could have taken the route of claiming compensation from the council due to being unable to trade. Its the old adage, you either stand with us or you are stood against us. The council first sat down with GMB and Unison on TUESDAY 8th JULY to discuss the market issue and that was to inform them that 10 senior managers with earnings in excess of 30K each would oversee the market that day. That is why workers were upset, they felt they had been undermined in their action, but without any dialogue to see if there was a solution !!!!! For those of you who don’t know how salaries work, the majority of shop floor council workers on the market receive some of the lowest wages in the council. As i read through the comments it is clear there are a couple of people with personal acts to grinds about Unison, as the march through the markets was a multi union march with unison members being the least represented!! A small number of trader’s behaviour was poor and aggressive on the day, something the workers say is a regular occurrence on normal working days, it is easy to sell one side of a story and the ugly truth is there were no winners yesterday on the market. It feels as though both sides were ‘played’ by the council !!!
Are the Union you mention of the same opinion of the Unite Union in that they condone uncontrolled Immigration that is keeping their own members low wages down. Unites hook to get new members is the kind offer to help them claim all possible benefits on offer if they join them.
Thomas222 doing the government's dirty work blame they neighbour not the parasites that really got us in this mess.
I see you have no reply to my comments and choose to digress the question to another question. Salesmen do that.. answer a question with a question. ; )
I fail to see how blaming the immigrant's is the answer instead of holding the real source of how this started to account
Look and read about Immigration causing for many problems in Schools, Hospitals, Doctors, Housing then tell me there isnt a Immigration problem. Even Labour have said we are sorry for imposing the Immigration mess. Bolton General Hospital are going over to Spain and Portugal to recruit for Nurses, tell me thats ok with you.
my family members are immigrant's they came from Ireland and tried to undercut the road workers , sent money home and settled together to make communities, my mother often says people moved away from her on the bus when they heard her deep Irish accent. The NHS has run on migrant workers for decades and is reliant on them there is nothing new there, what I have seen is Labour and the Tories sell off council houses and not rebuild so clearly there is a housing crisis, I have seen both Labour and the Tories underinvest in new schools indeed in the last 10 years local primaries closed one after the other, I'm really sorry but I'm not buying your immigrant argument, the market has many migrant workers and makes the market what it is today, a vibrant multie cultural environment, I don't think you gave a toss about the traders, as a trade unionist, I am sad that events turned out as they did yesterday as I have previously commented, I saw no winners yesterday and that was from both sides, which leads to surmise that you just wanted to get on here and have a rant with no feeling for either side, just an opportunity to spout.
the market was cleaner than ever and not one smoke break to be seen well done managers
[quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: All lies? REALLY? The council workers were on strike. FACT. GMB and Unison did feel there was a lack of support for their plight and that in turn was seen as the traders not supporting the action. FACT. Bolton market: is it safe, a very relevant question FACT. The traders were seen to refuse to support the striking workers; it is those workers that ensure the Market is serviced to ensure it is clean, and free from debris, to ensure people can shop on the market. They clear the rubbish, clean the toilets, clear the tables in the food hall and work the compactor to ensure the 300 bins worth of rubbish is cleared from the site on a market day. When the strike was announce they could have taken the route of claiming compensation from the council due to being unable to trade. Its the old adage, you either stand with us or you are stood against us. The council first sat down with GMB and Unison on TUESDAY 8th JULY to discuss the market issue and that was to inform them that 10 senior managers with earnings in excess of 30K each would oversee the market that day. That is why workers were upset, they felt they had been undermined in their action, but without any dialogue to see if there was a solution !!!!! For those of you who don’t know how salaries work, the majority of shop floor council workers on the market receive some of the lowest wages in the council. As i read through the comments it is clear there are a couple of people with personal acts to grinds about Unison, as the march through the markets was a multi union march with unison members being the least represented!! A small number of trader’s behaviour was poor and aggressive on the day, something the workers say is a regular occurrence on normal working days, it is easy to sell one side of a story and the ugly truth is there were no winners yesterday on the market. It feels as though both sides were ‘played’ by the council !!![/p][/quote]Are the Union you mention of the same opinion of the Unite Union in that they condone uncontrolled Immigration that is keeping their own members low wages down. Unites hook to get new members is the kind offer to help them claim all possible benefits on offer if they join them.[/p][/quote]Thomas222 doing the government's dirty work blame they neighbour not the parasites that really got us in this mess.[/p][/quote]I see you have no reply to my comments and choose to digress the question to another question. Salesmen do that.. answer a question with a question. ; )[/p][/quote]I fail to see how blaming the immigrant's is the answer instead of holding the real source of how this started to account[/p][/quote]Look and read about Immigration causing for many problems in Schools, Hospitals, Doctors, Housing then tell me there isnt a Immigration problem. Even Labour have said we are sorry for imposing the Immigration mess. Bolton General Hospital are going over to Spain and Portugal to recruit for Nurses, tell me thats ok with you.[/p][/quote]my family members are immigrant's they came from Ireland and tried to undercut the road workers , sent money home and settled together to make communities, my mother often says people moved away from her on the bus when they heard her deep Irish accent. The NHS has run on migrant workers for decades and is reliant on them there is nothing new there, what I have seen is Labour and the Tories sell off council houses and not rebuild so clearly there is a housing crisis, I have seen both Labour and the Tories underinvest in new schools indeed in the last 10 years local primaries closed one after the other, I'm really sorry but I'm not buying your immigrant argument, the market has many migrant workers and makes the market what it is today, a vibrant multie cultural environment, I don't think you gave a toss about the traders, as a trade unionist, I am sad that events turned out as they did yesterday as I have previously commented, I saw no winners yesterday and that was from both sides, which leads to surmise that you just wanted to get on here and have a rant with no feeling for either side, just an opportunity to spout.[/p][/quote]the market was cleaner than ever and not one smoke break to be seen well done managers fatboybwfc
  • Score: 10

11:36pm Fri 11 Jul 14

mb63 says...

Terrible behaviour from left-wing Unionists!
The idiots that made these leaflets, are just totally undermining the Strikers' cause.
Unions, have a place, but things like this just play into the hands of their opponents.
Terrible behaviour from left-wing Unionists! The idiots that made these leaflets, are just totally undermining the Strikers' cause. Unions, have a place, but things like this just play into the hands of their opponents. mb63
  • Score: 7

11:42pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Dobbies says...

Public sector workers have tax deducted at source. No opportunity to dodge tax like the market traders whose customers all pay by cash. I am sure many do work hard but its hardly the busiest workplace in the town. If you don't like the terms of your self employment get a "cushy" job at the council or an even easier number rescuing people from burning buildings.
Public sector workers have tax deducted at source. No opportunity to dodge tax like the market traders whose customers all pay by cash. I am sure many do work hard but its hardly the busiest workplace in the town. If you don't like the terms of your self employment get a "cushy" job at the council or an even easier number rescuing people from burning buildings. Dobbies
  • Score: -9

8:44am Sat 12 Jul 14

JustBecause says...

Bolton23 wrote:
This is a joke, right? None of that happened that was claimed.

Also, just because some have it worse doesn't mean that you shouldn't stand up for your rights. That's the problem with society these days, no one matters, fighting for your rights is seen as something bad.
Your rights?, but you don't have a "right" to increased pay, better conditions, or whatever else it is the scum bags are striking over.

You have rights, legal ones, the rest is a privilege of employment, something the striker should remember.

I have a right to send my kids to school, and get my bin emptied, a right I pay through the nose for, so please do t try to defend this industrial terrorism with bleeding heart logic.

If your not happy with your employment package, get a new job.
[quote][p][bold]Bolton23[/bold] wrote: This is a joke, right? None of that happened that was claimed. Also, just because some have it worse doesn't mean that you shouldn't stand up for your rights. That's the problem with society these days, no one matters, fighting for your rights is seen as something bad.[/p][/quote]Your rights?, but you don't have a "right" to increased pay, better conditions, or whatever else it is the scum bags are striking over. You have rights, legal ones, the rest is a privilege of employment, something the striker should remember. I have a right to send my kids to school, and get my bin emptied, a right I pay through the nose for, so please do t try to defend this industrial terrorism with bleeding heart logic. If your not happy with your employment package, get a new job. JustBecause
  • Score: 6

1:04pm Sat 12 Jul 14

adatherton says...

Isn't there a law about political leaflets being published without the name of the publisher or printer? It seems Unison admit they did it. Prosecute!
Isn't there a law about political leaflets being published without the name of the publisher or printer? It seems Unison admit they did it. Prosecute! adatherton
  • Score: 8

11:25pm Sat 12 Jul 14

Mike62 says...

My wife works for Bolton council and chose (as it is her right) to work on that day.
She is not and has never been in any union but the treatment she received on trying to get into work was scandalous. She was fronted up by a male more than 6 inches taller than her and called a scab to her face. (Very brave man). Bet when he returns to work and finds he has been reported to his managers that he won't be so brave to admit what he did to her and several others. And before anyone asks for names, it is not going to happen as it will be dealt with by his managers inhouse.
While i agree with the right to strike for workers rights when it is needed a persons right to choose to work should not be taken away from any individual.

And since when has a thead about strikers and Bolton market been about immigration, i'm sorry but it seems that every thread in the B.E.N is being used to post comments like this and the people involved should be told that they should stop hijacking others threads.
My wife works for Bolton council and chose (as it is her right) to work on that day. She is not and has never been in any union but the treatment she received on trying to get into work was scandalous. She was fronted up by a male more than 6 inches taller than her and called a scab to her face. (Very brave man). Bet when he returns to work and finds he has been reported to his managers that he won't be so brave to admit what he did to her and several others. And before anyone asks for names, it is not going to happen as it will be dealt with by his managers inhouse. While i agree with the right to strike for workers rights when it is needed a persons right to choose to work should not be taken away from any individual. And since when has a thead about strikers and Bolton market been about immigration, i'm sorry but it seems that every thread in the B.E.N is being used to post comments like this and the people involved should be told that they should stop hijacking others threads. Mike62
  • Score: 6

12:58am Sun 13 Jul 14

Digmore41 says...

Mike62 wrote:
My wife works for Bolton council and chose (as it is her right) to work on that day.
She is not and has never been in any union but the treatment she received on trying to get into work was scandalous. She was fronted up by a male more than 6 inches taller than her and called a scab to her face. (Very brave man). Bet when he returns to work and finds he has been reported to his managers that he won't be so brave to admit what he did to her and several others. And before anyone asks for names, it is not going to happen as it will be dealt with by his managers inhouse.
While i agree with the right to strike for workers rights when it is needed a persons right to choose to work should not be taken away from any individual.

And since when has a thead about strikers and Bolton market been about immigration, i'm sorry but it seems that every thread in the B.E.N is being used to post comments like this and the people involved should be told that they should stop hijacking others threads.
The male who tried to intimidate your wife by calling her a scab is yet another example of the ill-informed and badly led who descended on the town centre on Thursday without having much of a clue about why they were there or what strike etiquette looks like. How can a non Union member be a scab? Scab by it's very definition refers to someone who refuses to follow their own Union by withdrawing their labour. The innocent non-striking people of Bolton who turned up for work on Thursday seem to have been greeted by a bunch of people who were being led by idiots. If you are going to organise local pickets, at least get the striking protocols right.
[quote][p][bold]Mike62[/bold] wrote: My wife works for Bolton council and chose (as it is her right) to work on that day. She is not and has never been in any union but the treatment she received on trying to get into work was scandalous. She was fronted up by a male more than 6 inches taller than her and called a scab to her face. (Very brave man). Bet when he returns to work and finds he has been reported to his managers that he won't be so brave to admit what he did to her and several others. And before anyone asks for names, it is not going to happen as it will be dealt with by his managers inhouse. While i agree with the right to strike for workers rights when it is needed a persons right to choose to work should not be taken away from any individual. And since when has a thead about strikers and Bolton market been about immigration, i'm sorry but it seems that every thread in the B.E.N is being used to post comments like this and the people involved should be told that they should stop hijacking others threads.[/p][/quote]The male who tried to intimidate your wife by calling her a scab is yet another example of the ill-informed and badly led who descended on the town centre on Thursday without having much of a clue about why they were there or what strike etiquette looks like. How can a non Union member be a scab? Scab by it's very definition refers to someone who refuses to follow their own Union by withdrawing their labour. The innocent non-striking people of Bolton who turned up for work on Thursday seem to have been greeted by a bunch of people who were being led by idiots. If you are going to organise local pickets, at least get the striking protocols right. Digmore41
  • Score: 7

3:24am Sun 13 Jul 14

LoveBolton says...

toryhater wrote:
All lies? REALLY? The council workers were on strike. FACT. GMB and Unison did feel there was a lack of support for their plight and that in turn was seen as the traders not supporting the action. FACT. Bolton market: is it safe, a very relevant question FACT. The traders were seen to refuse to support the striking workers; it is those workers that ensure the Market is serviced to ensure it is clean, and free from debris, to ensure people can shop on the market. They clear the rubbish, clean the toilets, clear the tables in the food hall and work the compactor to ensure the 300 bins worth of rubbish is cleared from the site on a market day. When the strike was announce they could have taken the route of claiming compensation from the council due to being unable to trade. Its the old adage, you either stand with us or you are stood against us. The council first sat down with GMB and Unison on TUESDAY 8th JULY to discuss the market issue and that was to inform them that 10 senior managers with earnings in excess of 30K each would oversee the market that day. That is why workers were upset, they felt they had been undermined in their action, but without any dialogue to see if there was a solution !!!!! For those of you who don’t know how salaries work, the majority of shop floor council workers on the market receive some of the lowest wages in the council. As i read through the comments it is clear there are a couple of people with personal acts to grinds about Unison, as the march through the markets was a multi union march with unison members being the least represented!! A small number of trader’s behaviour was poor and aggressive on the day, something the workers say is a regular occurrence on normal working days, it is easy to sell one side of a story and the ugly truth is there were no winners yesterday on the market. It feels as though both sides were ‘played’ by the council !!!
First off all let me say I m not a market trader... But it's your job to clean up the market, that's what the market traders pay rent for to pay for there pitch as well as pay your wages to clean up. If you don't like your job leave . The market traders have got nothing to do with your fight. Low wages what ever I think you all don't no how lucky you are to have job with decent pay and benefits.
[quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: All lies? REALLY? The council workers were on strike. FACT. GMB and Unison did feel there was a lack of support for their plight and that in turn was seen as the traders not supporting the action. FACT. Bolton market: is it safe, a very relevant question FACT. The traders were seen to refuse to support the striking workers; it is those workers that ensure the Market is serviced to ensure it is clean, and free from debris, to ensure people can shop on the market. They clear the rubbish, clean the toilets, clear the tables in the food hall and work the compactor to ensure the 300 bins worth of rubbish is cleared from the site on a market day. When the strike was announce they could have taken the route of claiming compensation from the council due to being unable to trade. Its the old adage, you either stand with us or you are stood against us. The council first sat down with GMB and Unison on TUESDAY 8th JULY to discuss the market issue and that was to inform them that 10 senior managers with earnings in excess of 30K each would oversee the market that day. That is why workers were upset, they felt they had been undermined in their action, but without any dialogue to see if there was a solution !!!!! For those of you who don’t know how salaries work, the majority of shop floor council workers on the market receive some of the lowest wages in the council. As i read through the comments it is clear there are a couple of people with personal acts to grinds about Unison, as the march through the markets was a multi union march with unison members being the least represented!! A small number of trader’s behaviour was poor and aggressive on the day, something the workers say is a regular occurrence on normal working days, it is easy to sell one side of a story and the ugly truth is there were no winners yesterday on the market. It feels as though both sides were ‘played’ by the council !!![/p][/quote]First off all let me say I m not a market trader... But it's your job to clean up the market, that's what the market traders pay rent for to pay for there pitch as well as pay your wages to clean up. If you don't like your job leave . The market traders have got nothing to do with your fight. Low wages what ever I think you all don't no how lucky you are to have job with decent pay and benefits. LoveBolton
  • Score: 5

12:38pm Sun 13 Jul 14

Farnworth veteran says...

LoveBolton wrote:
toryhater wrote:
All lies? REALLY? The council workers were on strike. FACT. GMB and Unison did feel there was a lack of support for their plight and that in turn was seen as the traders not supporting the action. FACT. Bolton market: is it safe, a very relevant question FACT. The traders were seen to refuse to support the striking workers; it is those workers that ensure the Market is serviced to ensure it is clean, and free from debris, to ensure people can shop on the market. They clear the rubbish, clean the toilets, clear the tables in the food hall and work the compactor to ensure the 300 bins worth of rubbish is cleared from the site on a market day. When the strike was announce they could have taken the route of claiming compensation from the council due to being unable to trade. Its the old adage, you either stand with us or you are stood against us. The council first sat down with GMB and Unison on TUESDAY 8th JULY to discuss the market issue and that was to inform them that 10 senior managers with earnings in excess of 30K each would oversee the market that day. That is why workers were upset, they felt they had been undermined in their action, but without any dialogue to see if there was a solution !!!!! For those of you who don’t know how salaries work, the majority of shop floor council workers on the market receive some of the lowest wages in the council. As i read through the comments it is clear there are a couple of people with personal acts to grinds about Unison, as the march through the markets was a multi union march with unison members being the least represented!! A small number of trader’s behaviour was poor and aggressive on the day, something the workers say is a regular occurrence on normal working days, it is easy to sell one side of a story and the ugly truth is there were no winners yesterday on the market. It feels as though both sides were ‘played’ by the council !!!
First off all let me say I m not a market trader... But it's your job to clean up the market, that's what the market traders pay rent for to pay for there pitch as well as pay your wages to clean up. If you don't like your job leave . The market traders have got nothing to do with your fight. Low wages what ever I think you all don't no how lucky you are to have job with decent pay and benefits.
I have red many comments on this page over the past few days, you say the market traders pay for council staff to clean up after the traders, whilst my interest in this is as a rate payer in Bolton , I just wonder how many of these traders who are so badly done to, are in arrears with there rent. And am I subsidising them ?
[quote][p][bold]LoveBolton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: All lies? REALLY? The council workers were on strike. FACT. GMB and Unison did feel there was a lack of support for their plight and that in turn was seen as the traders not supporting the action. FACT. Bolton market: is it safe, a very relevant question FACT. The traders were seen to refuse to support the striking workers; it is those workers that ensure the Market is serviced to ensure it is clean, and free from debris, to ensure people can shop on the market. They clear the rubbish, clean the toilets, clear the tables in the food hall and work the compactor to ensure the 300 bins worth of rubbish is cleared from the site on a market day. When the strike was announce they could have taken the route of claiming compensation from the council due to being unable to trade. Its the old adage, you either stand with us or you are stood against us. The council first sat down with GMB and Unison on TUESDAY 8th JULY to discuss the market issue and that was to inform them that 10 senior managers with earnings in excess of 30K each would oversee the market that day. That is why workers were upset, they felt they had been undermined in their action, but without any dialogue to see if there was a solution !!!!! For those of you who don’t know how salaries work, the majority of shop floor council workers on the market receive some of the lowest wages in the council. As i read through the comments it is clear there are a couple of people with personal acts to grinds about Unison, as the march through the markets was a multi union march with unison members being the least represented!! A small number of trader’s behaviour was poor and aggressive on the day, something the workers say is a regular occurrence on normal working days, it is easy to sell one side of a story and the ugly truth is there were no winners yesterday on the market. It feels as though both sides were ‘played’ by the council !!![/p][/quote]First off all let me say I m not a market trader... But it's your job to clean up the market, that's what the market traders pay rent for to pay for there pitch as well as pay your wages to clean up. If you don't like your job leave . The market traders have got nothing to do with your fight. Low wages what ever I think you all don't no how lucky you are to have job with decent pay and benefits.[/p][/quote]I have red many comments on this page over the past few days, you say the market traders pay for council staff to clean up after the traders, whilst my interest in this is as a rate payer in Bolton , I just wonder how many of these traders who are so badly done to, are in arrears with there rent. And am I subsidising them ? Farnworth veteran
  • Score: 0

8:46pm Sun 13 Jul 14

Jangreene says...

Dobbies wrote:
Public sector workers have tax deducted at source. No opportunity to dodge tax like the market traders whose customers all pay by cash. I am sure many do work hard but its hardly the busiest workplace in the town. If you don't like the terms of your self employment get a "cushy" job at the council or an even easier number rescuing people from burning buildings.
So are you saying that just because I take cash as well as card sales that I fiddle my books cos that is exactly wot that comment sounds like and I take that as an insult!!!! I pay my taxes on the amount that I earn and you have NO right to say that we are tax dodgers unless you have written proof. I hope that you have never done a carboot sale or anything like that in your life as YOU could then be classed as a tax dodger!!!
[quote][p][bold]Dobbies[/bold] wrote: Public sector workers have tax deducted at source. No opportunity to dodge tax like the market traders whose customers all pay by cash. I am sure many do work hard but its hardly the busiest workplace in the town. If you don't like the terms of your self employment get a "cushy" job at the council or an even easier number rescuing people from burning buildings.[/p][/quote]So are you saying that just because I take cash as well as card sales that I fiddle my books cos that is exactly wot that comment sounds like and I take that as an insult!!!! I pay my taxes on the amount that I earn and you have NO right to say that we are tax dodgers unless you have written proof. I hope that you have never done a carboot sale or anything like that in your life as YOU could then be classed as a tax dodger!!! Jangreene
  • Score: 3

8:57pm Sun 13 Jul 14

Jangreene says...

Farnworth veteran wrote:
LoveBolton wrote:
toryhater wrote:
All lies? REALLY? The council workers were on strike. FACT. GMB and Unison did feel there was a lack of support for their plight and that in turn was seen as the traders not supporting the action. FACT. Bolton market: is it safe, a very relevant question FACT. The traders were seen to refuse to support the striking workers; it is those workers that ensure the Market is serviced to ensure it is clean, and free from debris, to ensure people can shop on the market. They clear the rubbish, clean the toilets, clear the tables in the food hall and work the compactor to ensure the 300 bins worth of rubbish is cleared from the site on a market day. When the strike was announce they could have taken the route of claiming compensation from the council due to being unable to trade. Its the old adage, you either stand with us or you are stood against us. The council first sat down with GMB and Unison on TUESDAY 8th JULY to discuss the market issue and that was to inform them that 10 senior managers with earnings in excess of 30K each would oversee the market that day. That is why workers were upset, they felt they had been undermined in their action, but without any dialogue to see if there was a solution !!!!! For those of you who don’t know how salaries work, the majority of shop floor council workers on the market receive some of the lowest wages in the council. As i read through the comments it is clear there are a couple of people with personal acts to grinds about Unison, as the march through the markets was a multi union march with unison members being the least represented!! A small number of trader’s behaviour was poor and aggressive on the day, something the workers say is a regular occurrence on normal working days, it is easy to sell one side of a story and the ugly truth is there were no winners yesterday on the market. It feels as though both sides were ‘played’ by the council !!!
First off all let me say I m not a market trader... But it's your job to clean up the market, that's what the market traders pay rent for to pay for there pitch as well as pay your wages to clean up. If you don't like your job leave . The market traders have got nothing to do with your fight. Low wages what ever I think you all don't no how lucky you are to have job with decent pay and benefits.
I have red many comments on this page over the past few days, you say the market traders pay for council staff to clean up after the traders, whilst my interest in this is as a rate payer in Bolton , I just wonder how many of these traders who are so badly done to, are in arrears with there rent. And am I subsidising them ?
As to your comments about our rent it is split between service charge and rent... service charge goes towards all the running costs of the market e.g wages, refuse removal, lighting etc. rent is actually a smaller figure than the service charge that we pay for the services that we get.. As to rent arrears I cannot comment on the number of traders who may or may not be arrears but I can assure you that we all try not to be as if we are even a couple of days over the pay by date we get a final demand and threatened with the bailiffs... I wonder if this is the same for those who live in council houses or have other shops etc owned by the council or plots of land like allotments etc.. The majority of us all try to pay our bills on time and we are not subsidised by your general rates.. We are even eligible for business rates now as individual units rather than the building as a whole so that the government can get more money from us.. For many years now we as market traders have been penalised for the jobs we do by insurance companies etc.. please do not penalise us yourself
[quote][p][bold]Farnworth veteran[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LoveBolton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: All lies? REALLY? The council workers were on strike. FACT. GMB and Unison did feel there was a lack of support for their plight and that in turn was seen as the traders not supporting the action. FACT. Bolton market: is it safe, a very relevant question FACT. The traders were seen to refuse to support the striking workers; it is those workers that ensure the Market is serviced to ensure it is clean, and free from debris, to ensure people can shop on the market. They clear the rubbish, clean the toilets, clear the tables in the food hall and work the compactor to ensure the 300 bins worth of rubbish is cleared from the site on a market day. When the strike was announce they could have taken the route of claiming compensation from the council due to being unable to trade. Its the old adage, you either stand with us or you are stood against us. The council first sat down with GMB and Unison on TUESDAY 8th JULY to discuss the market issue and that was to inform them that 10 senior managers with earnings in excess of 30K each would oversee the market that day. That is why workers were upset, they felt they had been undermined in their action, but without any dialogue to see if there was a solution !!!!! For those of you who don’t know how salaries work, the majority of shop floor council workers on the market receive some of the lowest wages in the council. As i read through the comments it is clear there are a couple of people with personal acts to grinds about Unison, as the march through the markets was a multi union march with unison members being the least represented!! A small number of trader’s behaviour was poor and aggressive on the day, something the workers say is a regular occurrence on normal working days, it is easy to sell one side of a story and the ugly truth is there were no winners yesterday on the market. It feels as though both sides were ‘played’ by the council !!![/p][/quote]First off all let me say I m not a market trader... But it's your job to clean up the market, that's what the market traders pay rent for to pay for there pitch as well as pay your wages to clean up. If you don't like your job leave . The market traders have got nothing to do with your fight. Low wages what ever I think you all don't no how lucky you are to have job with decent pay and benefits.[/p][/quote]I have red many comments on this page over the past few days, you say the market traders pay for council staff to clean up after the traders, whilst my interest in this is as a rate payer in Bolton , I just wonder how many of these traders who are so badly done to, are in arrears with there rent. And am I subsidising them ?[/p][/quote]As to your comments about our rent it is split between service charge and rent... service charge goes towards all the running costs of the market e.g wages, refuse removal, lighting etc. rent is actually a smaller figure than the service charge that we pay for the services that we get.. As to rent arrears I cannot comment on the number of traders who may or may not be arrears but I can assure you that we all try not to be as if we are even a couple of days over the pay by date we get a final demand and threatened with the bailiffs... I wonder if this is the same for those who live in council houses or have other shops etc owned by the council or plots of land like allotments etc.. The majority of us all try to pay our bills on time and we are not subsidised by your general rates.. We are even eligible for business rates now as individual units rather than the building as a whole so that the government can get more money from us.. For many years now we as market traders have been penalised for the jobs we do by insurance companies etc.. please do not penalise us yourself Jangreene
  • Score: 2

10:08pm Sun 13 Jul 14

toryhater says...

JustBecause wrote:
Bolton23 wrote:
This is a joke, right? None of that happened that was claimed.

Also, just because some have it worse doesn't mean that you shouldn't stand up for your rights. That's the problem with society these days, no one matters, fighting for your rights is seen as something bad.
Your rights?, but you don't have a "right" to increased pay, better conditions, or whatever else it is the scum bags are striking over.

You have rights, legal ones, the rest is a privilege of employment, something the striker should remember.

I have a right to send my kids to school, and get my bin emptied, a right I pay through the nose for, so please do t try to defend this industrial terrorism with bleeding heart logic.

If your not happy with your employment package, get a new job.
you need to read your history mate, workers do have a right to stop greedy bosses bleeding the worker dry, your council tax doesn't pay for the bins to be emptied, it doesn't pay for your children to be education, You must be one of the scum bag bosses who believe in paying just the minimum wage and no holidays etc, so you can have a scum bag lifestyle on the back of the workers. Your probably a supporter of the tax avoiders who if they paid there share, you'd have your bins emptied and your children educated properly because there would be enough money in the coffers to fund good services, are you one of the tax fiddlers ??
[quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bolton23[/bold] wrote: This is a joke, right? None of that happened that was claimed. Also, just because some have it worse doesn't mean that you shouldn't stand up for your rights. That's the problem with society these days, no one matters, fighting for your rights is seen as something bad.[/p][/quote]Your rights?, but you don't have a "right" to increased pay, better conditions, or whatever else it is the scum bags are striking over. You have rights, legal ones, the rest is a privilege of employment, something the striker should remember. I have a right to send my kids to school, and get my bin emptied, a right I pay through the nose for, so please do t try to defend this industrial terrorism with bleeding heart logic. If your not happy with your employment package, get a new job.[/p][/quote]you need to read your history mate, workers do have a right to stop greedy bosses bleeding the worker dry, your council tax doesn't pay for the bins to be emptied, it doesn't pay for your children to be education, You must be one of the scum bag bosses who believe in paying just the minimum wage and no holidays etc, so you can have a scum bag lifestyle on the back of the workers. Your probably a supporter of the tax avoiders who if they paid there share, you'd have your bins emptied and your children educated properly because there would be enough money in the coffers to fund good services, are you one of the tax fiddlers ?? toryhater
  • Score: -2

10:12pm Sun 13 Jul 14

toryhater says...

fatboybwfc wrote:
toryhater wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
toryhater wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
toryhater wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
toryhater wrote:
All lies? REALLY? The council workers were on strike. FACT. GMB and Unison did feel there was a lack of support for their plight and that in turn was seen as the traders not supporting the action. FACT. Bolton market: is it safe, a very relevant question FACT. The traders were seen to refuse to support the striking workers; it is those workers that ensure the Market is serviced to ensure it is clean, and free from debris, to ensure people can shop on the market. They clear the rubbish, clean the toilets, clear the tables in the food hall and work the compactor to ensure the 300 bins worth of rubbish is cleared from the site on a market day. When the strike was announce they could have taken the route of claiming compensation from the council due to being unable to trade. Its the old adage, you either stand with us or you are stood against us. The council first sat down with GMB and Unison on TUESDAY 8th JULY to discuss the market issue and that was to inform them that 10 senior managers with earnings in excess of 30K each would oversee the market that day. That is why workers were upset, they felt they had been undermined in their action, but without any dialogue to see if there was a solution !!!!! For those of you who don’t know how salaries work, the majority of shop floor council workers on the market receive some of the lowest wages in the council. As i read through the comments it is clear there are a couple of people with personal acts to grinds about Unison, as the march through the markets was a multi union march with unison members being the least represented!! A small number of trader’s behaviour was poor and aggressive on the day, something the workers say is a regular occurrence on normal working days, it is easy to sell one side of a story and the ugly truth is there were no winners yesterday on the market. It feels as though both sides were ‘played’ by the council !!!
Are the Union you mention of the same opinion of the Unite Union in that they condone uncontrolled Immigration that is keeping their own members low wages down. Unites hook to get new members is the kind offer to help them claim all possible benefits on offer if they join them.
Thomas222 doing the government's dirty work blame they neighbour not the parasites that really got us in this mess.
I see you have no reply to my comments and choose to digress the question to another question. Salesmen do that.. answer a question with a question. ; )
I fail to see how blaming the immigrant's is the answer instead of holding the real source of how this started to account
Look and read about Immigration causing for many problems in Schools, Hospitals, Doctors, Housing then tell me there isnt a Immigration problem. Even Labour have said we are sorry for imposing the Immigration mess. Bolton General Hospital are going over to Spain and Portugal to recruit for Nurses, tell me thats ok with you.
my family members are immigrant's they came from Ireland and tried to undercut the road workers , sent money home and settled together to make communities, my mother often says people moved away from her on the bus when they heard her deep Irish accent. The NHS has run on migrant workers for decades and is reliant on them there is nothing new there, what I have seen is Labour and the Tories sell off council houses and not rebuild so clearly there is a housing crisis, I have seen both Labour and the Tories underinvest in new schools indeed in the last 10 years local primaries closed one after the other, I'm really sorry but I'm not buying your immigrant argument, the market has many migrant workers and makes the market what it is today, a vibrant multie cultural environment, I don't think you gave a toss about the traders, as a trade unionist, I am sad that events turned out as they did yesterday as I have previously commented, I saw no winners yesterday and that was from both sides, which leads to surmise that you just wanted to get on here and have a rant with no feeling for either side, just an opportunity to spout.
the market was cleaner than ever and not one smoke break to be seen well done managers
haha really you should only try to be a smart arse if ....you are smart !!! I have already said on earlier quotes that managers on 50k kept the market going that day, 10 of them. I was wrong apparently there were some assistant directors doing the work on 90k, for the idiot that complained about getting there money's worth out of their council tax, I don't see the value for money in 10 senior managers on between 50 -90 k running the market when usually the workers on 20k do it...... JOKER
[quote][p][bold]fatboybwfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: All lies? REALLY? The council workers were on strike. FACT. GMB and Unison did feel there was a lack of support for their plight and that in turn was seen as the traders not supporting the action. FACT. Bolton market: is it safe, a very relevant question FACT. The traders were seen to refuse to support the striking workers; it is those workers that ensure the Market is serviced to ensure it is clean, and free from debris, to ensure people can shop on the market. They clear the rubbish, clean the toilets, clear the tables in the food hall and work the compactor to ensure the 300 bins worth of rubbish is cleared from the site on a market day. When the strike was announce they could have taken the route of claiming compensation from the council due to being unable to trade. Its the old adage, you either stand with us or you are stood against us. The council first sat down with GMB and Unison on TUESDAY 8th JULY to discuss the market issue and that was to inform them that 10 senior managers with earnings in excess of 30K each would oversee the market that day. That is why workers were upset, they felt they had been undermined in their action, but without any dialogue to see if there was a solution !!!!! For those of you who don’t know how salaries work, the majority of shop floor council workers on the market receive some of the lowest wages in the council. As i read through the comments it is clear there are a couple of people with personal acts to grinds about Unison, as the march through the markets was a multi union march with unison members being the least represented!! A small number of trader’s behaviour was poor and aggressive on the day, something the workers say is a regular occurrence on normal working days, it is easy to sell one side of a story and the ugly truth is there were no winners yesterday on the market. It feels as though both sides were ‘played’ by the council !!![/p][/quote]Are the Union you mention of the same opinion of the Unite Union in that they condone uncontrolled Immigration that is keeping their own members low wages down. Unites hook to get new members is the kind offer to help them claim all possible benefits on offer if they join them.[/p][/quote]Thomas222 doing the government's dirty work blame they neighbour not the parasites that really got us in this mess.[/p][/quote]I see you have no reply to my comments and choose to digress the question to another question. Salesmen do that.. answer a question with a question. ; )[/p][/quote]I fail to see how blaming the immigrant's is the answer instead of holding the real source of how this started to account[/p][/quote]Look and read about Immigration causing for many problems in Schools, Hospitals, Doctors, Housing then tell me there isnt a Immigration problem. Even Labour have said we are sorry for imposing the Immigration mess. Bolton General Hospital are going over to Spain and Portugal to recruit for Nurses, tell me thats ok with you.[/p][/quote]my family members are immigrant's they came from Ireland and tried to undercut the road workers , sent money home and settled together to make communities, my mother often says people moved away from her on the bus when they heard her deep Irish accent. The NHS has run on migrant workers for decades and is reliant on them there is nothing new there, what I have seen is Labour and the Tories sell off council houses and not rebuild so clearly there is a housing crisis, I have seen both Labour and the Tories underinvest in new schools indeed in the last 10 years local primaries closed one after the other, I'm really sorry but I'm not buying your immigrant argument, the market has many migrant workers and makes the market what it is today, a vibrant multie cultural environment, I don't think you gave a toss about the traders, as a trade unionist, I am sad that events turned out as they did yesterday as I have previously commented, I saw no winners yesterday and that was from both sides, which leads to surmise that you just wanted to get on here and have a rant with no feeling for either side, just an opportunity to spout.[/p][/quote]the market was cleaner than ever and not one smoke break to be seen well done managers[/p][/quote]haha really you should only try to be a smart arse if ....you are smart !!! I have already said on earlier quotes that managers on 50k kept the market going that day, 10 of them. I was wrong apparently there were some assistant directors doing the work on 90k, for the idiot that complained about getting there money's worth out of their council tax, I don't see the value for money in 10 senior managers on between 50 -90 k running the market when usually the workers on 20k do it...... JOKER toryhater
  • Score: -3

10:25pm Sun 13 Jul 14

toryhater says...

fatboybwfc wrote:
toryhater wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
toryhater wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
toryhater wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
toryhater wrote:
All lies? REALLY? The council workers were on strike. FACT. GMB and Unison did feel there was a lack of support for their plight and that in turn was seen as the traders not supporting the action. FACT. Bolton market: is it safe, a very relevant question FACT. The traders were seen to refuse to support the striking workers; it is those workers that ensure the Market is serviced to ensure it is clean, and free from debris, to ensure people can shop on the market. They clear the rubbish, clean the toilets, clear the tables in the food hall and work the compactor to ensure the 300 bins worth of rubbish is cleared from the site on a market day. When the strike was announce they could have taken the route of claiming compensation from the council due to being unable to trade. Its the old adage, you either stand with us or you are stood against us. The council first sat down with GMB and Unison on TUESDAY 8th JULY to discuss the market issue and that was to inform them that 10 senior managers with earnings in excess of 30K each would oversee the market that day. That is why workers were upset, they felt they had been undermined in their action, but without any dialogue to see if there was a solution !!!!! For those of you who don’t know how salaries work, the majority of shop floor council workers on the market receive some of the lowest wages in the council. As i read through the comments it is clear there are a couple of people with personal acts to grinds about Unison, as the march through the markets was a multi union march with unison members being the least represented!! A small number of trader’s behaviour was poor and aggressive on the day, something the workers say is a regular occurrence on normal working days, it is easy to sell one side of a story and the ugly truth is there were no winners yesterday on the market. It feels as though both sides were ‘played’ by the council !!!
Are the Union you mention of the same opinion of the Unite Union in that they condone uncontrolled Immigration that is keeping their own members low wages down. Unites hook to get new members is the kind offer to help them claim all possible benefits on offer if they join them.
Thomas222 doing the government's dirty work blame they neighbour not the parasites that really got us in this mess.
I see you have no reply to my comments and choose to digress the question to another question. Salesmen do that.. answer a question with a question. ; )
I fail to see how blaming the immigrant's is the answer instead of holding the real source of how this started to account
Look and read about Immigration causing for many problems in Schools, Hospitals, Doctors, Housing then tell me there isnt a Immigration problem. Even Labour have said we are sorry for imposing the Immigration mess. Bolton General Hospital are going over to Spain and Portugal to recruit for Nurses, tell me thats ok with you.
my family members are immigrant's they came from Ireland and tried to undercut the road workers , sent money home and settled together to make communities, my mother often says people moved away from her on the bus when they heard her deep Irish accent. The NHS has run on migrant workers for decades and is reliant on them there is nothing new there, what I have seen is Labour and the Tories sell off council houses and not rebuild so clearly there is a housing crisis, I have seen both Labour and the Tories underinvest in new schools indeed in the last 10 years local primaries closed one after the other, I'm really sorry but I'm not buying your immigrant argument, the market has many migrant workers and makes the market what it is today, a vibrant multie cultural environment, I don't think you gave a toss about the traders, as a trade unionist, I am sad that events turned out as they did yesterday as I have previously commented, I saw no winners yesterday and that was from both sides, which leads to surmise that you just wanted to get on here and have a rant with no feeling for either side, just an opportunity to spout.
the market was cleaner than ever and not one smoke break to be seen well done managers
haha the only problem with trying to be a smart arse is ...... you should at least be smart!!! I have already wrote in previous threads that the market was kept in order by 10 senior managers on 50k a year, further to that I have been told that some were assistant directors and so salaries varied from 50k to 90k !! when the highest paid workers on the market are on from 15k to 22k. Not really value for money !!!!!! what a joke !!! I'd hope it was clean for what it cost.
[quote][p][bold]fatboybwfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: All lies? REALLY? The council workers were on strike. FACT. GMB and Unison did feel there was a lack of support for their plight and that in turn was seen as the traders not supporting the action. FACT. Bolton market: is it safe, a very relevant question FACT. The traders were seen to refuse to support the striking workers; it is those workers that ensure the Market is serviced to ensure it is clean, and free from debris, to ensure people can shop on the market. They clear the rubbish, clean the toilets, clear the tables in the food hall and work the compactor to ensure the 300 bins worth of rubbish is cleared from the site on a market day. When the strike was announce they could have taken the route of claiming compensation from the council due to being unable to trade. Its the old adage, you either stand with us or you are stood against us. The council first sat down with GMB and Unison on TUESDAY 8th JULY to discuss the market issue and that was to inform them that 10 senior managers with earnings in excess of 30K each would oversee the market that day. That is why workers were upset, they felt they had been undermined in their action, but without any dialogue to see if there was a solution !!!!! For those of you who don’t know how salaries work, the majority of shop floor council workers on the market receive some of the lowest wages in the council. As i read through the comments it is clear there are a couple of people with personal acts to grinds about Unison, as the march through the markets was a multi union march with unison members being the least represented!! A small number of trader’s behaviour was poor and aggressive on the day, something the workers say is a regular occurrence on normal working days, it is easy to sell one side of a story and the ugly truth is there were no winners yesterday on the market. It feels as though both sides were ‘played’ by the council !!![/p][/quote]Are the Union you mention of the same opinion of the Unite Union in that they condone uncontrolled Immigration that is keeping their own members low wages down. Unites hook to get new members is the kind offer to help them claim all possible benefits on offer if they join them.[/p][/quote]Thomas222 doing the government's dirty work blame they neighbour not the parasites that really got us in this mess.[/p][/quote]I see you have no reply to my comments and choose to digress the question to another question. Salesmen do that.. answer a question with a question. ; )[/p][/quote]I fail to see how blaming the immigrant's is the answer instead of holding the real source of how this started to account[/p][/quote]Look and read about Immigration causing for many problems in Schools, Hospitals, Doctors, Housing then tell me there isnt a Immigration problem. Even Labour have said we are sorry for imposing the Immigration mess. Bolton General Hospital are going over to Spain and Portugal to recruit for Nurses, tell me thats ok with you.[/p][/quote]my family members are immigrant's they came from Ireland and tried to undercut the road workers , sent money home and settled together to make communities, my mother often says people moved away from her on the bus when they heard her deep Irish accent. The NHS has run on migrant workers for decades and is reliant on them there is nothing new there, what I have seen is Labour and the Tories sell off council houses and not rebuild so clearly there is a housing crisis, I have seen both Labour and the Tories underinvest in new schools indeed in the last 10 years local primaries closed one after the other, I'm really sorry but I'm not buying your immigrant argument, the market has many migrant workers and makes the market what it is today, a vibrant multie cultural environment, I don't think you gave a toss about the traders, as a trade unionist, I am sad that events turned out as they did yesterday as I have previously commented, I saw no winners yesterday and that was from both sides, which leads to surmise that you just wanted to get on here and have a rant with no feeling for either side, just an opportunity to spout.[/p][/quote]the market was cleaner than ever and not one smoke break to be seen well done managers[/p][/quote]haha the only problem with trying to be a smart arse is ...... you should at least be smart!!! I have already wrote in previous threads that the market was kept in order by 10 senior managers on 50k a year, further to that I have been told that some were assistant directors and so salaries varied from 50k to 90k !! when the highest paid workers on the market are on from 15k to 22k. Not really value for money !!!!!! what a joke !!! I'd hope it was clean for what it cost. toryhater
  • Score: -2

1:04am Mon 14 Jul 14

Mike62 says...

toryhater wrote:
fatboybwfc wrote:
toryhater wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
toryhater wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
toryhater wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
toryhater wrote: All lies? REALLY? The council workers were on strike. FACT. GMB and Unison did feel there was a lack of support for their plight and that in turn was seen as the traders not supporting the action. FACT. Bolton market: is it safe, a very relevant question FACT. The traders were seen to refuse to support the striking workers; it is those workers that ensure the Market is serviced to ensure it is clean, and free from debris, to ensure people can shop on the market. They clear the rubbish, clean the toilets, clear the tables in the food hall and work the compactor to ensure the 300 bins worth of rubbish is cleared from the site on a market day. When the strike was announce they could have taken the route of claiming compensation from the council due to being unable to trade. Its the old adage, you either stand with us or you are stood against us. The council first sat down with GMB and Unison on TUESDAY 8th JULY to discuss the market issue and that was to inform them that 10 senior managers with earnings in excess of 30K each would oversee the market that day. That is why workers were upset, they felt they had been undermined in their action, but without any dialogue to see if there was a solution !!!!! For those of you who don’t know how salaries work, the majority of shop floor council workers on the market receive some of the lowest wages in the council. As i read through the comments it is clear there are a couple of people with personal acts to grinds about Unison, as the march through the markets was a multi union march with unison members being the least represented!! A small number of trader’s behaviour was poor and aggressive on the day, something the workers say is a regular occurrence on normal working days, it is easy to sell one side of a story and the ugly truth is there were no winners yesterday on the market. It feels as though both sides were ‘played’ by the council !!!
Are the Union you mention of the same opinion of the Unite Union in that they condone uncontrolled Immigration that is keeping their own members low wages down. Unites hook to get new members is the kind offer to help them claim all possible benefits on offer if they join them.
Thomas222 doing the government's dirty work blame they neighbour not the parasites that really got us in this mess.
I see you have no reply to my comments and choose to digress the question to another question. Salesmen do that.. answer a question with a question. ; )
I fail to see how blaming the immigrant's is the answer instead of holding the real source of how this started to account
Look and read about Immigration causing for many problems in Schools, Hospitals, Doctors, Housing then tell me there isnt a Immigration problem. Even Labour have said we are sorry for imposing the Immigration mess. Bolton General Hospital are going over to Spain and Portugal to recruit for Nurses, tell me thats ok with you.
my family members are immigrant's they came from Ireland and tried to undercut the road workers , sent money home and settled together to make communities, my mother often says people moved away from her on the bus when they heard her deep Irish accent. The NHS has run on migrant workers for decades and is reliant on them there is nothing new there, what I have seen is Labour and the Tories sell off council houses and not rebuild so clearly there is a housing crisis, I have seen both Labour and the Tories underinvest in new schools indeed in the last 10 years local primaries closed one after the other, I'm really sorry but I'm not buying your immigrant argument, the market has many migrant workers and makes the market what it is today, a vibrant multie cultural environment, I don't think you gave a toss about the traders, as a trade unionist, I am sad that events turned out as they did yesterday as I have previously commented, I saw no winners yesterday and that was from both sides, which leads to surmise that you just wanted to get on here and have a rant with no feeling for either side, just an opportunity to spout.
the market was cleaner than ever and not one smoke break to be seen well done managers
haha the only problem with trying to be a smart arse is ...... you should at least be smart!!! I have already wrote in previous threads that the market was kept in order by 10 senior managers on 50k a year, further to that I have been told that some were assistant directors and so salaries varied from 50k to 90k !! when the highest paid workers on the market are on from 15k to 22k. Not really value for money !!!!!! what a joke !!! I'd hope it was clean for what it cost.
Strange, i have seen the Council pay scales and i can't see anyone on 90k so as much as they may have been decent earners please don't exaggerate to get your point across as it just makes your point invalid.
[quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fatboybwfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: All lies? REALLY? The council workers were on strike. FACT. GMB and Unison did feel there was a lack of support for their plight and that in turn was seen as the traders not supporting the action. FACT. Bolton market: is it safe, a very relevant question FACT. The traders were seen to refuse to support the striking workers; it is those workers that ensure the Market is serviced to ensure it is clean, and free from debris, to ensure people can shop on the market. They clear the rubbish, clean the toilets, clear the tables in the food hall and work the compactor to ensure the 300 bins worth of rubbish is cleared from the site on a market day. When the strike was announce they could have taken the route of claiming compensation from the council due to being unable to trade. Its the old adage, you either stand with us or you are stood against us. The council first sat down with GMB and Unison on TUESDAY 8th JULY to discuss the market issue and that was to inform them that 10 senior managers with earnings in excess of 30K each would oversee the market that day. That is why workers were upset, they felt they had been undermined in their action, but without any dialogue to see if there was a solution !!!!! For those of you who don’t know how salaries work, the majority of shop floor council workers on the market receive some of the lowest wages in the council. As i read through the comments it is clear there are a couple of people with personal acts to grinds about Unison, as the march through the markets was a multi union march with unison members being the least represented!! A small number of trader’s behaviour was poor and aggressive on the day, something the workers say is a regular occurrence on normal working days, it is easy to sell one side of a story and the ugly truth is there were no winners yesterday on the market. It feels as though both sides were ‘played’ by the council !!![/p][/quote]Are the Union you mention of the same opinion of the Unite Union in that they condone uncontrolled Immigration that is keeping their own members low wages down. Unites hook to get new members is the kind offer to help them claim all possible benefits on offer if they join them.[/p][/quote]Thomas222 doing the government's dirty work blame they neighbour not the parasites that really got us in this mess.[/p][/quote]I see you have no reply to my comments and choose to digress the question to another question. Salesmen do that.. answer a question with a question. ; )[/p][/quote]I fail to see how blaming the immigrant's is the answer instead of holding the real source of how this started to account[/p][/quote]Look and read about Immigration causing for many problems in Schools, Hospitals, Doctors, Housing then tell me there isnt a Immigration problem. Even Labour have said we are sorry for imposing the Immigration mess. Bolton General Hospital are going over to Spain and Portugal to recruit for Nurses, tell me thats ok with you.[/p][/quote]my family members are immigrant's they came from Ireland and tried to undercut the road workers , sent money home and settled together to make communities, my mother often says people moved away from her on the bus when they heard her deep Irish accent. The NHS has run on migrant workers for decades and is reliant on them there is nothing new there, what I have seen is Labour and the Tories sell off council houses and not rebuild so clearly there is a housing crisis, I have seen both Labour and the Tories underinvest in new schools indeed in the last 10 years local primaries closed one after the other, I'm really sorry but I'm not buying your immigrant argument, the market has many migrant workers and makes the market what it is today, a vibrant multie cultural environment, I don't think you gave a toss about the traders, as a trade unionist, I am sad that events turned out as they did yesterday as I have previously commented, I saw no winners yesterday and that was from both sides, which leads to surmise that you just wanted to get on here and have a rant with no feeling for either side, just an opportunity to spout.[/p][/quote]the market was cleaner than ever and not one smoke break to be seen well done managers[/p][/quote]haha the only problem with trying to be a smart arse is ...... you should at least be smart!!! I have already wrote in previous threads that the market was kept in order by 10 senior managers on 50k a year, further to that I have been told that some were assistant directors and so salaries varied from 50k to 90k !! when the highest paid workers on the market are on from 15k to 22k. Not really value for money !!!!!! what a joke !!! I'd hope it was clean for what it cost.[/p][/quote]Strange, i have seen the Council pay scales and i can't see anyone on 90k so as much as they may have been decent earners please don't exaggerate to get your point across as it just makes your point invalid. Mike62
  • Score: 3

6:13pm Mon 14 Jul 14

bob the biker says...

maybe the market traders should ask the market management to review the service charge and tender out the cleaning
maybe the market traders should ask the market management to review the service charge and tender out the cleaning bob the biker
  • Score: 0

6:15pm Mon 14 Jul 14

fatboybwfc says...

Mike62 wrote:
toryhater wrote:
fatboybwfc wrote:
toryhater wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
toryhater wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
toryhater wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
toryhater wrote: All lies? REALLY? The council workers were on strike. FACT. GMB and Unison did feel there was a lack of support for their plight and that in turn was seen as the traders not supporting the action. FACT. Bolton market: is it safe, a very relevant question FACT. The traders were seen to refuse to support the striking workers; it is those workers that ensure the Market is serviced to ensure it is clean, and free from debris, to ensure people can shop on the market. They clear the rubbish, clean the toilets, clear the tables in the food hall and work the compactor to ensure the 300 bins worth of rubbish is cleared from the site on a market day. When the strike was announce they could have taken the route of claiming compensation from the council due to being unable to trade. Its the old adage, you either stand with us or you are stood against us. The council first sat down with GMB and Unison on TUESDAY 8th JULY to discuss the market issue and that was to inform them that 10 senior managers with earnings in excess of 30K each would oversee the market that day. That is why workers were upset, they felt they had been undermined in their action, but without any dialogue to see if there was a solution !!!!! For those of you who don’t know how salaries work, the majority of shop floor council workers on the market receive some of the lowest wages in the council. As i read through the comments it is clear there are a couple of people with personal acts to grinds about Unison, as the march through the markets was a multi union march with unison members being the least represented!! A small number of trader’s behaviour was poor and aggressive on the day, something the workers say is a regular occurrence on normal working days, it is easy to sell one side of a story and the ugly truth is there were no winners yesterday on the market. It feels as though both sides were ‘played’ by the council !!!
Are the Union you mention of the same opinion of the Unite Union in that they condone uncontrolled Immigration that is keeping their own members low wages down. Unites hook to get new members is the kind offer to help them claim all possible benefits on offer if they join them.
Thomas222 doing the government's dirty work blame they neighbour not the parasites that really got us in this mess.
I see you have no reply to my comments and choose to digress the question to another question. Salesmen do that.. answer a question with a question. ; )
I fail to see how blaming the immigrant's is the answer instead of holding the real source of how this started to account
Look and read about Immigration causing for many problems in Schools, Hospitals, Doctors, Housing then tell me there isnt a Immigration problem. Even Labour have said we are sorry for imposing the Immigration mess. Bolton General Hospital are going over to Spain and Portugal to recruit for Nurses, tell me thats ok with you.
my family members are immigrant's they came from Ireland and tried to undercut the road workers , sent money home and settled together to make communities, my mother often says people moved away from her on the bus when they heard her deep Irish accent. The NHS has run on migrant workers for decades and is reliant on them there is nothing new there, what I have seen is Labour and the Tories sell off council houses and not rebuild so clearly there is a housing crisis, I have seen both Labour and the Tories underinvest in new schools indeed in the last 10 years local primaries closed one after the other, I'm really sorry but I'm not buying your immigrant argument, the market has many migrant workers and makes the market what it is today, a vibrant multie cultural environment, I don't think you gave a toss about the traders, as a trade unionist, I am sad that events turned out as they did yesterday as I have previously commented, I saw no winners yesterday and that was from both sides, which leads to surmise that you just wanted to get on here and have a rant with no feeling for either side, just an opportunity to spout.
the market was cleaner than ever and not one smoke break to be seen well done managers
haha the only problem with trying to be a smart arse is ...... you should at least be smart!!! I have already wrote in previous threads that the market was kept in order by 10 senior managers on 50k a year, further to that I have been told that some were assistant directors and so salaries varied from 50k to 90k !! when the highest paid workers on the market are on from 15k to 22k. Not really value for money !!!!!! what a joke !!! I'd hope it was clean for what it cost.
Strange, i have seen the Council pay scales and i can't see anyone on 90k so as much as they may have been decent earners please don't exaggerate to get your point across as it just makes your point invalid.
smart arse am i ,obviously smarter than you if you think going on strike is the answer
[quote][p][bold]Mike62[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fatboybwfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: All lies? REALLY? The council workers were on strike. FACT. GMB and Unison did feel there was a lack of support for their plight and that in turn was seen as the traders not supporting the action. FACT. Bolton market: is it safe, a very relevant question FACT. The traders were seen to refuse to support the striking workers; it is those workers that ensure the Market is serviced to ensure it is clean, and free from debris, to ensure people can shop on the market. They clear the rubbish, clean the toilets, clear the tables in the food hall and work the compactor to ensure the 300 bins worth of rubbish is cleared from the site on a market day. When the strike was announce they could have taken the route of claiming compensation from the council due to being unable to trade. Its the old adage, you either stand with us or you are stood against us. The council first sat down with GMB and Unison on TUESDAY 8th JULY to discuss the market issue and that was to inform them that 10 senior managers with earnings in excess of 30K each would oversee the market that day. That is why workers were upset, they felt they had been undermined in their action, but without any dialogue to see if there was a solution !!!!! For those of you who don’t know how salaries work, the majority of shop floor council workers on the market receive some of the lowest wages in the council. As i read through the comments it is clear there are a couple of people with personal acts to grinds about Unison, as the march through the markets was a multi union march with unison members being the least represented!! A small number of trader’s behaviour was poor and aggressive on the day, something the workers say is a regular occurrence on normal working days, it is easy to sell one side of a story and the ugly truth is there were no winners yesterday on the market. It feels as though both sides were ‘played’ by the council !!![/p][/quote]Are the Union you mention of the same opinion of the Unite Union in that they condone uncontrolled Immigration that is keeping their own members low wages down. Unites hook to get new members is the kind offer to help them claim all possible benefits on offer if they join them.[/p][/quote]Thomas222 doing the government's dirty work blame they neighbour not the parasites that really got us in this mess.[/p][/quote]I see you have no reply to my comments and choose to digress the question to another question. Salesmen do that.. answer a question with a question. ; )[/p][/quote]I fail to see how blaming the immigrant's is the answer instead of holding the real source of how this started to account[/p][/quote]Look and read about Immigration causing for many problems in Schools, Hospitals, Doctors, Housing then tell me there isnt a Immigration problem. Even Labour have said we are sorry for imposing the Immigration mess. Bolton General Hospital are going over to Spain and Portugal to recruit for Nurses, tell me thats ok with you.[/p][/quote]my family members are immigrant's they came from Ireland and tried to undercut the road workers , sent money home and settled together to make communities, my mother often says people moved away from her on the bus when they heard her deep Irish accent. The NHS has run on migrant workers for decades and is reliant on them there is nothing new there, what I have seen is Labour and the Tories sell off council houses and not rebuild so clearly there is a housing crisis, I have seen both Labour and the Tories underinvest in new schools indeed in the last 10 years local primaries closed one after the other, I'm really sorry but I'm not buying your immigrant argument, the market has many migrant workers and makes the market what it is today, a vibrant multie cultural environment, I don't think you gave a toss about the traders, as a trade unionist, I am sad that events turned out as they did yesterday as I have previously commented, I saw no winners yesterday and that was from both sides, which leads to surmise that you just wanted to get on here and have a rant with no feeling for either side, just an opportunity to spout.[/p][/quote]the market was cleaner than ever and not one smoke break to be seen well done managers[/p][/quote]haha the only problem with trying to be a smart arse is ...... you should at least be smart!!! I have already wrote in previous threads that the market was kept in order by 10 senior managers on 50k a year, further to that I have been told that some were assistant directors and so salaries varied from 50k to 90k !! when the highest paid workers on the market are on from 15k to 22k. Not really value for money !!!!!! what a joke !!! I'd hope it was clean for what it cost.[/p][/quote]Strange, i have seen the Council pay scales and i can't see anyone on 90k so as much as they may have been decent earners please don't exaggerate to get your point across as it just makes your point invalid.[/p][/quote]smart arse am i ,obviously smarter than you if you think going on strike is the answer fatboybwfc
  • Score: 2

6:17pm Mon 14 Jul 14

fatboybwfc says...

bob the biker wrote:
maybe the market traders should ask the market management to review the service charge and tender out the cleaning
well said,see where mr not right is then
[quote][p][bold]bob the biker[/bold] wrote: maybe the market traders should ask the market management to review the service charge and tender out the cleaning[/p][/quote]well said,see where mr not right is then fatboybwfc
  • Score: 1

6:28pm Mon 14 Jul 14

fatboybwfc says...

toryhater wrote:
fatboybwfc wrote:
toryhater wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
toryhater wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
toryhater wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
toryhater wrote:
All lies? REALLY? The council workers were on strike. FACT. GMB and Unison did feel there was a lack of support for their plight and that in turn was seen as the traders not supporting the action. FACT. Bolton market: is it safe, a very relevant question FACT. The traders were seen to refuse to support the striking workers; it is those workers that ensure the Market is serviced to ensure it is clean, and free from debris, to ensure people can shop on the market. They clear the rubbish, clean the toilets, clear the tables in the food hall and work the compactor to ensure the 300 bins worth of rubbish is cleared from the site on a market day. When the strike was announce they could have taken the route of claiming compensation from the council due to being unable to trade. Its the old adage, you either stand with us or you are stood against us. The council first sat down with GMB and Unison on TUESDAY 8th JULY to discuss the market issue and that was to inform them that 10 senior managers with earnings in excess of 30K each would oversee the market that day. That is why workers were upset, they felt they had been undermined in their action, but without any dialogue to see if there was a solution !!!!! For those of you who don’t know how salaries work, the majority of shop floor council workers on the market receive some of the lowest wages in the council. As i read through the comments it is clear there are a couple of people with personal acts to grinds about Unison, as the march through the markets was a multi union march with unison members being the least represented!! A small number of trader’s behaviour was poor and aggressive on the day, something the workers say is a regular occurrence on normal working days, it is easy to sell one side of a story and the ugly truth is there were no winners yesterday on the market. It feels as though both sides were ‘played’ by the council !!!
Are the Union you mention of the same opinion of the Unite Union in that they condone uncontrolled Immigration that is keeping their own members low wages down. Unites hook to get new members is the kind offer to help them claim all possible benefits on offer if they join them.
Thomas222 doing the government's dirty work blame they neighbour not the parasites that really got us in this mess.
I see you have no reply to my comments and choose to digress the question to another question. Salesmen do that.. answer a question with a question. ; )
I fail to see how blaming the immigrant's is the answer instead of holding the real source of how this started to account
Look and read about Immigration causing for many problems in Schools, Hospitals, Doctors, Housing then tell me there isnt a Immigration problem. Even Labour have said we are sorry for imposing the Immigration mess. Bolton General Hospital are going over to Spain and Portugal to recruit for Nurses, tell me thats ok with you.
my family members are immigrant's they came from Ireland and tried to undercut the road workers , sent money home and settled together to make communities, my mother often says people moved away from her on the bus when they heard her deep Irish accent. The NHS has run on migrant workers for decades and is reliant on them there is nothing new there, what I have seen is Labour and the Tories sell off council houses and not rebuild so clearly there is a housing crisis, I have seen both Labour and the Tories underinvest in new schools indeed in the last 10 years local primaries closed one after the other, I'm really sorry but I'm not buying your immigrant argument, the market has many migrant workers and makes the market what it is today, a vibrant multie cultural environment, I don't think you gave a toss about the traders, as a trade unionist, I am sad that events turned out as they did yesterday as I have previously commented, I saw no winners yesterday and that was from both sides, which leads to surmise that you just wanted to get on here and have a rant with no feeling for either side, just an opportunity to spout.
the market was cleaner than ever and not one smoke break to be seen well done managers
haha really you should only try to be a smart arse if ....you are smart !!! I have already said on earlier quotes that managers on 50k kept the market going that day, 10 of them. I was wrong apparently there were some assistant directors doing the work on 90k, for the idiot that complained about getting there money's worth out of their council tax, I don't see the value for money in 10 senior managers on between 50 -90 k running the market when usually the workers on 20k do it...... JOKER
it will pay for itself now they know they are overstaffed how stupid are you
[quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fatboybwfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: All lies? REALLY? The council workers were on strike. FACT. GMB and Unison did feel there was a lack of support for their plight and that in turn was seen as the traders not supporting the action. FACT. Bolton market: is it safe, a very relevant question FACT. The traders were seen to refuse to support the striking workers; it is those workers that ensure the Market is serviced to ensure it is clean, and free from debris, to ensure people can shop on the market. They clear the rubbish, clean the toilets, clear the tables in the food hall and work the compactor to ensure the 300 bins worth of rubbish is cleared from the site on a market day. When the strike was announce they could have taken the route of claiming compensation from the council due to being unable to trade. Its the old adage, you either stand with us or you are stood against us. The council first sat down with GMB and Unison on TUESDAY 8th JULY to discuss the market issue and that was to inform them that 10 senior managers with earnings in excess of 30K each would oversee the market that day. That is why workers were upset, they felt they had been undermined in their action, but without any dialogue to see if there was a solution !!!!! For those of you who don’t know how salaries work, the majority of shop floor council workers on the market receive some of the lowest wages in the council. As i read through the comments it is clear there are a couple of people with personal acts to grinds about Unison, as the march through the markets was a multi union march with unison members being the least represented!! A small number of trader’s behaviour was poor and aggressive on the day, something the workers say is a regular occurrence on normal working days, it is easy to sell one side of a story and the ugly truth is there were no winners yesterday on the market. It feels as though both sides were ‘played’ by the council !!![/p][/quote]Are the Union you mention of the same opinion of the Unite Union in that they condone uncontrolled Immigration that is keeping their own members low wages down. Unites hook to get new members is the kind offer to help them claim all possible benefits on offer if they join them.[/p][/quote]Thomas222 doing the government's dirty work blame they neighbour not the parasites that really got us in this mess.[/p][/quote]I see you have no reply to my comments and choose to digress the question to another question. Salesmen do that.. answer a question with a question. ; )[/p][/quote]I fail to see how blaming the immigrant's is the answer instead of holding the real source of how this started to account[/p][/quote]Look and read about Immigration causing for many problems in Schools, Hospitals, Doctors, Housing then tell me there isnt a Immigration problem. Even Labour have said we are sorry for imposing the Immigration mess. Bolton General Hospital are going over to Spain and Portugal to recruit for Nurses, tell me thats ok with you.[/p][/quote]my family members are immigrant's they came from Ireland and tried to undercut the road workers , sent money home and settled together to make communities, my mother often says people moved away from her on the bus when they heard her deep Irish accent. The NHS has run on migrant workers for decades and is reliant on them there is nothing new there, what I have seen is Labour and the Tories sell off council houses and not rebuild so clearly there is a housing crisis, I have seen both Labour and the Tories underinvest in new schools indeed in the last 10 years local primaries closed one after the other, I'm really sorry but I'm not buying your immigrant argument, the market has many migrant workers and makes the market what it is today, a vibrant multie cultural environment, I don't think you gave a toss about the traders, as a trade unionist, I am sad that events turned out as they did yesterday as I have previously commented, I saw no winners yesterday and that was from both sides, which leads to surmise that you just wanted to get on here and have a rant with no feeling for either side, just an opportunity to spout.[/p][/quote]the market was cleaner than ever and not one smoke break to be seen well done managers[/p][/quote]haha really you should only try to be a smart arse if ....you are smart !!! I have already said on earlier quotes that managers on 50k kept the market going that day, 10 of them. I was wrong apparently there were some assistant directors doing the work on 90k, for the idiot that complained about getting there money's worth out of their council tax, I don't see the value for money in 10 senior managers on between 50 -90 k running the market when usually the workers on 20k do it...... JOKER[/p][/quote]it will pay for itself now they know they are overstaffed how stupid are you fatboybwfc
  • Score: 1

11:01am Tue 15 Jul 14

boredofbolton says...

toryhater wrote:
fatboybwfc wrote:
toryhater wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
toryhater wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
toryhater wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
toryhater wrote:
All lies? REALLY? The council workers were on strike. FACT. GMB and Unison did feel there was a lack of support for their plight and that in turn was seen as the traders not supporting the action. FACT. Bolton market: is it safe, a very relevant question FACT. The traders were seen to refuse to support the striking workers; it is those workers that ensure the Market is serviced to ensure it is clean, and free from debris, to ensure people can shop on the market. They clear the rubbish, clean the toilets, clear the tables in the food hall and work the compactor to ensure the 300 bins worth of rubbish is cleared from the site on a market day. When the strike was announce they could have taken the route of claiming compensation from the council due to being unable to trade. Its the old adage, you either stand with us or you are stood against us. The council first sat down with GMB and Unison on TUESDAY 8th JULY to discuss the market issue and that was to inform them that 10 senior managers with earnings in excess of 30K each would oversee the market that day. That is why workers were upset, they felt they had been undermined in their action, but without any dialogue to see if there was a solution !!!!! For those of you who don’t know how salaries work, the majority of shop floor council workers on the market receive some of the lowest wages in the council. As i read through the comments it is clear there are a couple of people with personal acts to grinds about Unison, as the march through the markets was a multi union march with unison members being the least represented!! A small number of trader’s behaviour was poor and aggressive on the day, something the workers say is a regular occurrence on normal working days, it is easy to sell one side of a story and the ugly truth is there were no winners yesterday on the market. It feels as though both sides were ‘played’ by the council !!!
Are the Union you mention of the same opinion of the Unite Union in that they condone uncontrolled Immigration that is keeping their own members low wages down. Unites hook to get new members is the kind offer to help them claim all possible benefits on offer if they join them.
Thomas222 doing the government's dirty work blame they neighbour not the parasites that really got us in this mess.
I see you have no reply to my comments and choose to digress the question to another question. Salesmen do that.. answer a question with a question. ; )
I fail to see how blaming the immigrant's is the answer instead of holding the real source of how this started to account
Look and read about Immigration causing for many problems in Schools, Hospitals, Doctors, Housing then tell me there isnt a Immigration problem. Even Labour have said we are sorry for imposing the Immigration mess. Bolton General Hospital are going over to Spain and Portugal to recruit for Nurses, tell me thats ok with you.
my family members are immigrant's they came from Ireland and tried to undercut the road workers , sent money home and settled together to make communities, my mother often says people moved away from her on the bus when they heard her deep Irish accent. The NHS has run on migrant workers for decades and is reliant on them there is nothing new there, what I have seen is Labour and the Tories sell off council houses and not rebuild so clearly there is a housing crisis, I have seen both Labour and the Tories underinvest in new schools indeed in the last 10 years local primaries closed one after the other, I'm really sorry but I'm not buying your immigrant argument, the market has many migrant workers and makes the market what it is today, a vibrant multie cultural environment, I don't think you gave a toss about the traders, as a trade unionist, I am sad that events turned out as they did yesterday as I have previously commented, I saw no winners yesterday and that was from both sides, which leads to surmise that you just wanted to get on here and have a rant with no feeling for either side, just an opportunity to spout.
the market was cleaner than ever and not one smoke break to be seen well done managers
haha the only problem with trying to be a smart arse is ...... you should at least be smart!!! I have already wrote in previous threads that the market was kept in order by 10 senior managers on 50k a year, further to that I have been told that some were assistant directors and so salaries varied from 50k to 90k !! when the highest paid workers on the market are on from 15k to 22k. Not really value for money !!!!!! what a joke !!! I'd hope it was clean for what it cost.
so what you're saying is that because the workers went on strike the bosses had to step in? so if any extra money was spent its because of the workers? you have just lost your argument that striking was a good idea! the fact that you said "not really value for money !!!!!!" is invalid as it was excellent value for money as the workers will not be getting paid for that day saving bolton council thousands of pounds.

Hasn't council tax just gone up? wasn't that raise to pay for pay rises for the worst paid workers? perhaps the workers would all like free travel to work too, perhaps they would like free dinners also? i would like lots of things, but to get them i must work to be able to buy them.

the money is not available for a pay rise on this scale, when will these people realise that money does not grow on trees!
[quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fatboybwfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]toryhater[/bold] wrote: All lies? REALLY? The council workers were on strike. FACT. GMB and Unison did feel there was a lack of support for their plight and that in turn was seen as the traders not supporting the action. FACT. Bolton market: is it safe, a very relevant question FACT. The traders were seen to refuse to support the striking workers; it is those workers that ensure the Market is serviced to ensure it is clean, and free from debris, to ensure people can shop on the market. They clear the rubbish, clean the toilets, clear the tables in the food hall and work the compactor to ensure the 300 bins worth of rubbish is cleared from the site on a market day. When the strike was announce they could have taken the route of claiming compensation from the council due to being unable to trade. Its the old adage, you either stand with us or you are stood against us. The council first sat down with GMB and Unison on TUESDAY 8th JULY to discuss the market issue and that was to inform them that 10 senior managers with earnings in excess of 30K each would oversee the market that day. That is why workers were upset, they felt they had been undermined in their action, but without any dialogue to see if there was a solution !!!!! For those of you who don’t know how salaries work, the majority of shop floor council workers on the market receive some of the lowest wages in the council. As i read through the comments it is clear there are a couple of people with personal acts to grinds about Unison, as the march through the markets was a multi union march with unison members being the least represented!! A small number of trader’s behaviour was poor and aggressive on the day, something the workers say is a regular occurrence on normal working days, it is easy to sell one side of a story and the ugly truth is there were no winners yesterday on the market. It feels as though both sides were ‘played’ by the council !!![/p][/quote]Are the Union you mention of the same opinion of the Unite Union in that they condone uncontrolled Immigration that is keeping their own members low wages down. Unites hook to get new members is the kind offer to help them claim all possible benefits on offer if they join them.[/p][/quote]Thomas222 doing the government's dirty work blame they neighbour not the parasites that really got us in this mess.[/p][/quote]I see you have no reply to my comments and choose to digress the question to another question. Salesmen do that.. answer a question with a question. ; )[/p][/quote]I fail to see how blaming the immigrant's is the answer instead of holding the real source of how this started to account[/p][/quote]Look and read about Immigration causing for many problems in Schools, Hospitals, Doctors, Housing then tell me there isnt a Immigration problem. Even Labour have said we are sorry for imposing the Immigration mess. Bolton General Hospital are going over to Spain and Portugal to recruit for Nurses, tell me thats ok with you.[/p][/quote]my family members are immigrant's they came from Ireland and tried to undercut the road workers , sent money home and settled together to make communities, my mother often says people moved away from her on the bus when they heard her deep Irish accent. The NHS has run on migrant workers for decades and is reliant on them there is nothing new there, what I have seen is Labour and the Tories sell off council houses and not rebuild so clearly there is a housing crisis, I have seen both Labour and the Tories underinvest in new schools indeed in the last 10 years local primaries closed one after the other, I'm really sorry but I'm not buying your immigrant argument, the market has many migrant workers and makes the market what it is today, a vibrant multie cultural environment, I don't think you gave a toss about the traders, as a trade unionist, I am sad that events turned out as they did yesterday as I have previously commented, I saw no winners yesterday and that was from both sides, which leads to surmise that you just wanted to get on here and have a rant with no feeling for either side, just an opportunity to spout.[/p][/quote]the market was cleaner than ever and not one smoke break to be seen well done managers[/p][/quote]haha the only problem with trying to be a smart arse is ...... you should at least be smart!!! I have already wrote in previous threads that the market was kept in order by 10 senior managers on 50k a year, further to that I have been told that some were assistant directors and so salaries varied from 50k to 90k !! when the highest paid workers on the market are on from 15k to 22k. Not really value for money !!!!!! what a joke !!! I'd hope it was clean for what it cost.[/p][/quote]so what you're saying is that because the workers went on strike the bosses had to step in? so if any extra money was spent its because of the workers? you have just lost your argument that striking was a good idea! the fact that you said "not really value for money !!!!!!" is invalid as it was excellent value for money as the workers will not be getting paid for that day saving bolton council thousands of pounds. Hasn't council tax just gone up? wasn't that raise to pay for pay rises for the worst paid workers? perhaps the workers would all like free travel to work too, perhaps they would like free dinners also? i would like lots of things, but to get them i must work to be able to buy them. the money is not available for a pay rise on this scale, when will these people realise that money does not grow on trees! boredofbolton
  • Score: 3

10:15pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Mike62 says...

Please do not knock the pay rises that the worst paid get, they are very close to minimum wage as it is and the fact they are being offered below the rate of inflation will just draw them closer to it.
I have no problem with the worst paid in Bolton council being paid an above average pay rise as long as it is just them that benefit.
Please do not knock the pay rises that the worst paid get, they are very close to minimum wage as it is and the fact they are being offered below the rate of inflation will just draw them closer to it. I have no problem with the worst paid in Bolton council being paid an above average pay rise as long as it is just them that benefit. Mike62
  • Score: 0

5:14am Mon 21 Jul 14

Bolton23 says...

JustBecause wrote:
Bolton23 wrote:
This is a joke, right? None of that happened that was claimed.

Also, just because some have it worse doesn't mean that you shouldn't stand up for your rights. That's the problem with society these days, no one matters, fighting for your rights is seen as something bad.
Your rights?, but you don't have a "right" to increased pay, better conditions, or whatever else it is the scum bags are striking over.

You have rights, legal ones, the rest is a privilege of employment, something the striker should remember.

I have a right to send my kids to school, and get my bin emptied, a right I pay through the nose for, so please do t try to defend this industrial terrorism with bleeding heart logic.

If your not happy with your employment package, get a new job.
Do you work for the council and know the pay for every position and the conditions?

I doubt it. If you do, props to you for standing up for what you believe in.

Otherwise, don't believe all the propaganda. Unless you're a sheep and want to, which these days seems to be the preferred bandwagon.
[quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bolton23[/bold] wrote: This is a joke, right? None of that happened that was claimed. Also, just because some have it worse doesn't mean that you shouldn't stand up for your rights. That's the problem with society these days, no one matters, fighting for your rights is seen as something bad.[/p][/quote]Your rights?, but you don't have a "right" to increased pay, better conditions, or whatever else it is the scum bags are striking over. You have rights, legal ones, the rest is a privilege of employment, something the striker should remember. I have a right to send my kids to school, and get my bin emptied, a right I pay through the nose for, so please do t try to defend this industrial terrorism with bleeding heart logic. If your not happy with your employment package, get a new job.[/p][/quote]Do you work for the council and know the pay for every position and the conditions? I doubt it. If you do, props to you for standing up for what you believe in. Otherwise, don't believe all the propaganda. Unless you're a sheep and want to, which these days seems to be the preferred bandwagon. Bolton23
  • Score: 1

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