Amir Khan's family fly flag to show support for Palestine in Israel conflict

The Palestinian flag outside the Khan house.

The Palestinian flag outside the Khan house.

First published in News The Bolton News: Photograph of the Author by , crime reporter

Amir Khan’s family is flying the Palestine flag.

Haroon Khan, the boxer’s younger brother, tweeted a picture of the flag saying “The flags (sic) up at the Khan house #free Palestine”.

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12:52pm Tue 22 Jul 14

OriginalAngryDad says...

Confirms what many of us have suspected for a while.....
Confirms what many of us have suspected for a while..... OriginalAngryDad
  • Score: 61

1:04pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Allmylife says...

Don't flag poles need planning consent? Has this one got consent?
Further - is there not a bye law about what and when a flag can be flown?

Over to you Bolton Metro.
Don't flag poles need planning consent? Has this one got consent? Further - is there not a bye law about what and when a flag can be flown? Over to you Bolton Metro. Allmylife
  • Score: 55

1:12pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Rememberscarborough says...

Looks like the Khan family are firm believers in the motto that there's no such thing as bad publicity. Not going to help them when they want to sell tickets for boxing matches though....
Looks like the Khan family are firm believers in the motto that there's no such thing as bad publicity. Not going to help them when they want to sell tickets for boxing matches though.... Rememberscarborough
  • Score: 42

1:18pm Tue 22 Jul 14

westies71 says...

Wish they'd pack up and go
Wish they'd pack up and go westies71
  • Score: 75

1:32pm Tue 22 Jul 14

allan111111 says...

If it wasn't for the constant firing of rockets into isrealy territory then there would be no need for the recent invasion...hamas are a terrorist organisation and is real can't just stand by whilst their constantly threaten innocent people's lives
If it wasn't for the constant firing of rockets into isrealy territory then there would be no need for the recent invasion...hamas are a terrorist organisation and is real can't just stand by whilst their constantly threaten innocent people's lives allan111111
  • Score: -15

2:04pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Uncle Harry says...

Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting.

looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.
Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting. looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have. Uncle Harry
  • Score: 85

2:08pm Tue 22 Jul 14

keggard says...

Aren't we told to take down the union jack as it might offend people yet nobody seems to telling him to take it down
Aren't we told to take down the union jack as it might offend people yet nobody seems to telling him to take it down keggard
  • Score: 62

2:24pm Tue 22 Jul 14

OriginalAngryDad says...

Uncle Harry,

I'd take your polemic more seriously, if you could actually construct a coherent sentence.

I'm well aware of the history surrounding the creation of the state of Israel, but does any of it justify Hamas firing rockets from school yards and then scuttling off to hide in heavily populated areas and using innocent women and children as human shields?

Cowards, the lot of 'em.....
Uncle Harry, I'd take your polemic more seriously, if you could actually construct a coherent sentence. I'm well aware of the history surrounding the creation of the state of Israel, but does any of it justify Hamas firing rockets from school yards and then scuttling off to hide in heavily populated areas and using innocent women and children as human shields? Cowards, the lot of 'em..... OriginalAngryDad
  • Score: 15

2:32pm Tue 22 Jul 14

allan111111 says...

Uncle harry get your facts right....I am not interested in what happened a hundred years ago I'm only interested in today and the future....hamas are a violent bunch of terrorists , whilst they continue to bombard isreal with rockets then there will never be a chance of peace...
Uncle harry get your facts right....I am not interested in what happened a hundred years ago I'm only interested in today and the future....hamas are a violent bunch of terrorists , whilst they continue to bombard isreal with rockets then there will never be a chance of peace... allan111111
  • Score: -24

2:54pm Tue 22 Jul 14

waste watcher says...

well someone elses land being given away has been quoted above!
Sounds like the UK to me.
Anyone know how much it costs to advertise on the bottom of a boxers boots these days ?
well someone elses land being given away has been quoted above! Sounds like the UK to me. Anyone know how much it costs to advertise on the bottom of a boxers boots these days ? waste watcher
  • Score: 15

2:54pm Tue 22 Jul 14

TheRightPath says...

Uncle Harry wrote:
Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting.

looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.
Well said. Most people who comment on here are mostly uneducated and follow what is being said in the news and the papers.

The more intelligent see beyond that.
[quote][p][bold]Uncle Harry[/bold] wrote: Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting. looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.[/p][/quote]Well said. Most people who comment on here are mostly uneducated and follow what is being said in the news and the papers. The more intelligent see beyond that. TheRightPath
  • Score: -33

2:59pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Lewis1945 says...

OriginalAngryDad wrote:
Confirms what many of us have suspected for a while.....
What? That he supports humanitarian causes?
[quote][p][bold]OriginalAngryDad[/bold] wrote: Confirms what many of us have suspected for a while.....[/p][/quote]What? That he supports humanitarian causes? Lewis1945
  • Score: -3

3:03pm Tue 22 Jul 14

655321 says...

Lewis1945 wrote:
OriginalAngryDad wrote:
Confirms what many of us have suspected for a while.....
What? That he supports humanitarian causes?
Get real, if Palestine wasn't a Muslim country, he wouldn't give a rats ****.
[quote][p][bold]Lewis1945[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OriginalAngryDad[/bold] wrote: Confirms what many of us have suspected for a while.....[/p][/quote]What? That he supports humanitarian causes?[/p][/quote]Get real, if Palestine wasn't a Muslim country, he wouldn't give a rats ****. 655321
  • Score: 55

3:03pm Tue 22 Jul 14

allan111111 says...

TheRightPath wrote:
Uncle Harry wrote:
Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting.

looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.
Well said. Most people who comment on here are mostly uneducated and follow what is being said in the news and the papers.

The more intelligent see beyond that.
I will never understand why people blow each other up in the name of religion or race....If that makes me less intelligent than you well that's fine
[quote][p][bold]TheRightPath[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Uncle Harry[/bold] wrote: Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting. looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.[/p][/quote]Well said. Most people who comment on here are mostly uneducated and follow what is being said in the news and the papers. The more intelligent see beyond that.[/p][/quote]I will never understand why people blow each other up in the name of religion or race....If that makes me less intelligent than you well that's fine allan111111
  • Score: 52

3:13pm Tue 22 Jul 14

mr.mark.c says...

War in the name of religion is the grown up version of children arguing about who has the best imaginary friend.
War in the name of religion is the grown up version of children arguing about who has the best imaginary friend. mr.mark.c
  • Score: 66

3:13pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Peaceful Majority says...

Unfortunately, for both Islamic fanatics and Leftist (non-Islamic) fanatics, inconvenient facts and logic have never been allowed to stand in the way of crass demagoguery and incitement. It is far easier for Muslims to blame Israel for Palestinian deaths resulting from Hamas’s belligerence and provocations, than it is for them to scrutinize the deaths resulting from internecine squabbles amongst the sundry sects of their own religion, and to attempt to reflect on why so many of the world’s conflicts (and, most of the victims of those conflicts) involve adherents of this so-called “religion of peace.”
Unfortunately, for both Islamic fanatics and Leftist (non-Islamic) fanatics, inconvenient facts and logic have never been allowed to stand in the way of crass demagoguery and incitement. It is far easier for Muslims to blame Israel for Palestinian deaths resulting from Hamas’s belligerence and provocations, than it is for them to scrutinize the deaths resulting from internecine squabbles amongst the sundry sects of their own religion, and to attempt to reflect on why so many of the world’s conflicts (and, most of the victims of those conflicts) involve adherents of this so-called “religion of peace.” Peaceful Majority
  • Score: 35

3:20pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Lewis1945 says...

Peaceful Majority wrote:
Unfortunately, for both Islamic fanatics and Leftist (non-Islamic) fanatics, inconvenient facts and logic have never been allowed to stand in the way of crass demagoguery and incitement. It is far easier for Muslims to blame Israel for Palestinian deaths resulting from Hamas’s belligerence and provocations, than it is for them to scrutinize the deaths resulting from internecine squabbles amongst the sundry sects of their own religion, and to attempt to reflect on why so many of the world’s conflicts (and, most of the victims of those conflicts) involve adherents of this so-called “religion of peace.”
How fortunate it is that there are billions of dollars to be made from a perpetuation of conflict in the middle east. Why else would you put a Jewish state slap bang in the middle of a Muslim country. You would have to be a **** moron not to see what is going on.

"War Is A Racket" - Major General Smedley Butler
[quote][p][bold]Peaceful Majority[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately, for both Islamic fanatics and Leftist (non-Islamic) fanatics, inconvenient facts and logic have never been allowed to stand in the way of crass demagoguery and incitement. It is far easier for Muslims to blame Israel for Palestinian deaths resulting from Hamas’s belligerence and provocations, than it is for them to scrutinize the deaths resulting from internecine squabbles amongst the sundry sects of their own religion, and to attempt to reflect on why so many of the world’s conflicts (and, most of the victims of those conflicts) involve adherents of this so-called “religion of peace.”[/p][/quote]How fortunate it is that there are billions of dollars to be made from a perpetuation of conflict in the middle east. Why else would you put a Jewish state slap bang in the middle of a Muslim country. You would have to be a **** moron not to see what is going on. "War Is A Racket" - Major General Smedley Butler Lewis1945
  • Score: 9

3:25pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Lewis1945 says...

655321 wrote:
Lewis1945 wrote:
OriginalAngryDad wrote:
Confirms what many of us have suspected for a while.....
What? That he supports humanitarian causes?
Get real, if Palestine wasn't a Muslim country, he wouldn't give a rats ****.
So all the charity work that the Khan family has done for Bolton accounts for nothing.

They have done more than you. Bigot
[quote][p][bold]655321[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lewis1945[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OriginalAngryDad[/bold] wrote: Confirms what many of us have suspected for a while.....[/p][/quote]What? That he supports humanitarian causes?[/p][/quote]Get real, if Palestine wasn't a Muslim country, he wouldn't give a rats ****.[/p][/quote]So all the charity work that the Khan family has done for Bolton accounts for nothing. They have done more than you. Bigot Lewis1945
  • Score: -38

3:33pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Antrearden says...

Bout time the khans moved to gaza and let's see them fly their flag then!
Bout time the khans moved to gaza and let's see them fly their flag then! Antrearden
  • Score: 32

3:37pm Tue 22 Jul 14

655321 says...

Lewis1945 wrote:
655321 wrote:
Lewis1945 wrote:
OriginalAngryDad wrote:
Confirms what many of us have suspected for a while.....
What? That he supports humanitarian causes?
Get real, if Palestine wasn't a Muslim country, he wouldn't give a rats ****.
So all the charity work that the Khan family has done for Bolton accounts for nothing.

They have done more than you. Bigot
Kindly explain what exactly he has done for Bolton, apart from endangering peoples lives by driving like an utter n0b.

Also please explain why I am a bigot.
[quote][p][bold]Lewis1945[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]655321[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lewis1945[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OriginalAngryDad[/bold] wrote: Confirms what many of us have suspected for a while.....[/p][/quote]What? That he supports humanitarian causes?[/p][/quote]Get real, if Palestine wasn't a Muslim country, he wouldn't give a rats ****.[/p][/quote]So all the charity work that the Khan family has done for Bolton accounts for nothing. They have done more than you. Bigot[/p][/quote]Kindly explain what exactly he has done for Bolton, apart from endangering peoples lives by driving like an utter n0b. Also please explain why I am a bigot. 655321
  • Score: 65

3:40pm Tue 22 Jul 14

CDJ1973 says...

the only flags that should be flown in this country are our flags, if they dont like our flags, then they should go back to where they come from and fly them there. Bloody joke!
the only flags that should be flown in this country are our flags, if they dont like our flags, then they should go back to where they come from and fly them there. Bloody joke! CDJ1973
  • Score: 38

3:42pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Lewis1945 says...

https://www.facebook
.com/photo.php?fbid=
10152147767582382&se
t=a.229854622381.146
413.229850487381&typ
e=1&theater

Now shut up you idiots with a computer. How the **** to you manage to type with your knuckles dragging on the floor?
https://www.facebook .com/photo.php?fbid= 10152147767582382&se t=a.229854622381.146 413.229850487381&typ e=1&theater Now shut up you idiots with a computer. How the **** to you manage to type with your knuckles dragging on the floor? Lewis1945
  • Score: -33

3:44pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Antrearden says...

Lewis1945 wrote:
655321 wrote:
Lewis1945 wrote:
OriginalAngryDad wrote:
Confirms what many of us have suspected for a while.....
What? That he supports humanitarian causes?
Get real, if Palestine wasn't a Muslim country, he wouldn't give a rats ****.
So all the charity work that the Khan family has done for Bolton accounts for nothing.

They have done more than you. Bigot
Yes they've done a lot for MUSLIM charity's particularly in PAKISTAN makes you wonder why they live in england and not Pakistan ££££££
[quote][p][bold]Lewis1945[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]655321[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lewis1945[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OriginalAngryDad[/bold] wrote: Confirms what many of us have suspected for a while.....[/p][/quote]What? That he supports humanitarian causes?[/p][/quote]Get real, if Palestine wasn't a Muslim country, he wouldn't give a rats ****.[/p][/quote]So all the charity work that the Khan family has done for Bolton accounts for nothing. They have done more than you. Bigot[/p][/quote]Yes they've done a lot for MUSLIM charity's particularly in PAKISTAN makes you wonder why they live in england and not Pakistan ££££££ Antrearden
  • Score: 66

3:49pm Tue 22 Jul 14

cliff4treasurer says...

Shows how big a brain you people have,

Which people?
Shows how big a brain you people have, Which people? cliff4treasurer
  • Score: -17

3:55pm Tue 22 Jul 14

cliff4treasurer says...

"So all the charity work that the Khan family has done for Bolton accounts for nothing."

Go on then enlighten us all, which Christian charity have they supported
with charitable acts?
You are saying money raised for Islamic funding is now classed as "for Bolton"?
I don't think so.
"So all the charity work that the Khan family has done for Bolton accounts for nothing." Go on then enlighten us all, which Christian charity have they supported with charitable acts? You are saying money raised for Islamic funding is now classed as "for Bolton"? I don't think so. cliff4treasurer
  • Score: 67

3:59pm Tue 22 Jul 14

655321 says...

cliff4treasurer wrote:
"So all the charity work that the Khan family has done for Bolton accounts for nothing."

Go on then enlighten us all, which Christian charity have they supported
with charitable acts?
You are saying money raised for Islamic funding is now classed as "for Bolton"?
I don't think so.
I've already asked him that question, but he just got shouty and posted a link to a Facebook image.
[quote][p][bold]cliff4treasurer[/bold] wrote: "So all the charity work that the Khan family has done for Bolton accounts for nothing." Go on then enlighten us all, which Christian charity have they supported with charitable acts? You are saying money raised for Islamic funding is now classed as "for Bolton"? I don't think so.[/p][/quote]I've already asked him that question, but he just got shouty and posted a link to a Facebook image. 655321
  • Score: 40

4:52pm Tue 22 Jul 14

FreedomOfSpeech1945 says...

We are not allowed to fly our flags in our country in case it offends. Well this flag offends me and it is not welcome in England! I hope the council take action and get it removed!
We are not allowed to fly our flags in our country in case it offends. Well this flag offends me and it is not welcome in England! I hope the council take action and get it removed! FreedomOfSpeech1945
  • Score: 59

6:04pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Reed Lover says...

Allmylife wrote:
Don't flag poles need planning consent? Has this one got consent?
Further - is there not a bye law about what and when a flag can be flown?

Over to you Bolton Metro.
No, not in England they don't.
[quote][p][bold]Allmylife[/bold] wrote: Don't flag poles need planning consent? Has this one got consent? Further - is there not a bye law about what and when a flag can be flown? Over to you Bolton Metro.[/p][/quote]No, not in England they don't. Reed Lover
  • Score: 9

6:05pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Reed Lover says...

keggard wrote:
Aren't we told to take down the union jack as it might offend people yet nobody seems to telling him to take it down
No. You used to have to apply for planning permission but not in England any more.
[quote][p][bold]keggard[/bold] wrote: Aren't we told to take down the union jack as it might offend people yet nobody seems to telling him to take it down[/p][/quote]No. You used to have to apply for planning permission but not in England any more. Reed Lover
  • Score: 14

6:08pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Reed Lover says...

CDJ1973 wrote:
the only flags that should be flown in this country are our flags, if they dont like our flags, then they should go back to where they come from and fly them there. Bloody joke!
What about the Embassy flags in London, or ships in British waters? What about national flags at football matches?
You aren't thought this through have you?
Why don't you just admit that you are a sad little racist who is offended by Muslim people?
[quote][p][bold]CDJ1973[/bold] wrote: the only flags that should be flown in this country are our flags, if they dont like our flags, then they should go back to where they come from and fly them there. Bloody joke![/p][/quote]What about the Embassy flags in London, or ships in British waters? What about national flags at football matches? You aren't thought this through have you? Why don't you just admit that you are a sad little racist who is offended by Muslim people? Reed Lover
  • Score: -61

6:16pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Reed Lover says...

FreedomOfSpeech1945 wrote:
We are not allowed to fly our flags in our country in case it offends. Well this flag offends me and it is not welcome in England! I hope the council take action and get it removed!
Again, you can fly the Union Jack.

But, hey-ho, never let the truth get in the way of an opportunity for Muslim bashing.
[quote][p][bold]FreedomOfSpeech1945[/bold] wrote: We are not allowed to fly our flags in our country in case it offends. Well this flag offends me and it is not welcome in England! I hope the council take action and get it removed![/p][/quote]Again, you can fly the Union Jack. But, hey-ho, never let the truth get in the way of an opportunity for Muslim bashing. Reed Lover
  • Score: -7

6:17pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Reed Lover says...

Of course, any Jewish people commenting here are entitled to be offended by the khan's flag, the rest of you are just racists.
Of course, any Jewish people commenting here are entitled to be offended by the khan's flag, the rest of you are just racists. Reed Lover
  • Score: -24

6:43pm Tue 22 Jul 14

mr.mark.c says...

Without taking sides.
One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.
Without taking sides. One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. mr.mark.c
  • Score: 16

6:56pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Peaceonthestreets says...

Uneducated, media-fed, ignorant people. This isnt even about race or religion and nobody should be telling anyone to go anywhere.

So british people how would you feel if the french one day decide to bulldoze your house because they fancy making british their country and want to build their house where yours once stood. Now when they trmove you from your house they use force and weapons to dispose of you...harming or killing your women and children. Now your family is dead and now they are moving on to your neighbours boom your neighbours are now injured or dead and homeless. Now your crying and distraught you have nobody to turn to or ask for help...no government who can stop this horrible torture NOBODY! Your telling me you are not going to retaliate to save your family and kids...your telling me your not going to be angry....all you want is this massacre to stop and live in peace. But no. France wants to kill all british people (ethnic cleansing) and make the country theirs. France decides to put a restriction on hospitals and school supplies, foreign aid is restricted and the whole of britain is on lockdown. Your telling me your going to just sit their quietly and do nothing after uv watched all your family and friends die???!!! Are you?????

Israel have no right to remove people from their houses....palestine is not their country....but they are heartless and greedy and have an agenda.

The western countries are not getting involved. They cant. They dont have the money and will ahve no gain from helping the palestinians. Palestine has no oil reserves. Just like how the west arent getting involved with syria because theres no financial gain for them. No oil. But on the other hand iraq and libya had loads so hey course they going to get involved.

They are not going to fight against israel because they have large economic presence over the world, they have weapons of mass destruction and nukes (unlike iran who have none- oh the double standards)

So people wake up and smell the coffee and stop making excuses in your narrowminded brains and blame or resort each and everytime to race and religious abuse or reasoning. Its not about that is about money and power. Its about israel wanting to take over a country and make it theirs with only their people.

Come on you really in your heart if you were in that situation think that is morally right??? Do you??? Theres no smoke without fire! Just like theres no rockets without human genocide.

Its not about race or religion....its about humanity!!!

Peace ****
Uneducated, media-fed, ignorant people. This isnt even about race or religion and nobody should be telling anyone to go anywhere. So british people how would you feel if the french one day decide to bulldoze your house because they fancy making british their country and want to build their house where yours once stood. Now when they trmove you from your house they use force and weapons to dispose of you...harming or killing your women and children. Now your family is dead and now they are moving on to your neighbours boom your neighbours are now injured or dead and homeless. Now your crying and distraught you have nobody to turn to or ask for help...no government who can stop this horrible torture NOBODY! Your telling me you are not going to retaliate to save your family and kids...your telling me your not going to be angry....all you want is this massacre to stop and live in peace. But no. France wants to kill all british people (ethnic cleansing) and make the country theirs. France decides to put a restriction on hospitals and school supplies, foreign aid is restricted and the whole of britain is on lockdown. Your telling me your going to just sit their quietly and do nothing after uv watched all your family and friends die???!!! Are you????? Israel have no right to remove people from their houses....palestine is not their country....but they are heartless and greedy and have an agenda. The western countries are not getting involved. They cant. They dont have the money and will ahve no gain from helping the palestinians. Palestine has no oil reserves. Just like how the west arent getting involved with syria because theres no financial gain for them. No oil. But on the other hand iraq and libya had loads so hey course they going to get involved. They are not going to fight against israel because they have large economic presence over the world, they have weapons of mass destruction and nukes (unlike iran who have none- oh the double standards) So people wake up and smell the coffee and stop making excuses in your narrowminded brains and blame or resort each and everytime to race and religious abuse or reasoning. Its not about that is about money and power. Its about israel wanting to take over a country and make it theirs with only their people. Come on you really in your heart if you were in that situation think that is morally right??? Do you??? Theres no smoke without fire! Just like theres no rockets without human genocide. Its not about race or religion....its about humanity!!! Peace **** Peaceonthestreets
  • Score: 48

7:06pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Peaceonthestreets says...

And just to say it is absoultly disgusting and inhumane how they are committing genocide under our very own eyes. Bloodshed. Killing innocent civilians. Shooting children and babies right through the chest. What if that was your baby???
And just to say it is absoultly disgusting and inhumane how they are committing genocide under our very own eyes. Bloodshed. Killing innocent civilians. Shooting children and babies right through the chest. What if that was your baby??? Peaceonthestreets
  • Score: 33

7:11pm Tue 22 Jul 14

mr.mark.c says...

Peaceonthestreets wrote:
And just to say it is absoultly disgusting and inhumane how they are committing genocide under our very own eyes. Bloodshed. Killing innocent civilians. Shooting children and babies right through the chest. What if that was your baby???
I would be very worried as I live in England.
[quote][p][bold]Peaceonthestreets[/bold] wrote: And just to say it is absoultly disgusting and inhumane how they are committing genocide under our very own eyes. Bloodshed. Killing innocent civilians. Shooting children and babies right through the chest. What if that was your baby???[/p][/quote]I would be very worried as I live in England. mr.mark.c
  • Score: 9

7:17pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Peaceonthestreets says...

Have you not seen the protests by jews who are supporting palestine? Who are so passionate about helping the palestinians by protesting because they know what israel is doing is wrong and disgusting. I will share the link with you all so you can see for yourselves. Please guys stop being so biased all the time and realise theres two sides to every story and its up to us to research and make our own decision not decide by media influence or racial thoughts. The jews protesting shows its not about religion its about humanity. Now how stupid does the jews protesting for Palestines freedom make non jews look who support israel just for the sake of it. Yes it makes the non jews looks very very stupid.
Iv just tried to share link but cant just google jews protesting for palestine and look at the thousands of jews on Palestine's side.
Have you not seen the protests by jews who are supporting palestine? Who are so passionate about helping the palestinians by protesting because they know what israel is doing is wrong and disgusting. I will share the link with you all so you can see for yourselves. Please guys stop being so biased all the time and realise theres two sides to every story and its up to us to research and make our own decision not decide by media influence or racial thoughts. The jews protesting shows its not about religion its about humanity. Now how stupid does the jews protesting for Palestines freedom make non jews look who support israel just for the sake of it. Yes it makes the non jews looks very very stupid. Iv just tried to share link but cant just google jews protesting for palestine and look at the thousands of jews on Palestine's side. Peaceonthestreets
  • Score: 29

7:17pm Tue 22 Jul 14

FreedomOfSpeech1945 says...

Reed Lover wrote:
FreedomOfSpeech1945 wrote:
We are not allowed to fly our flags in our country in case it offends. Well this flag offends me and it is not welcome in England! I hope the council take action and get it removed!
Again, you can fly the Union Jack.

But, hey-ho, never let the truth get in the way of an opportunity for Muslim bashing.
Well the patron flag of our country is the St George Cross, this flag should be flown everywhere. Patriotism not racism!
[quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FreedomOfSpeech1945[/bold] wrote: We are not allowed to fly our flags in our country in case it offends. Well this flag offends me and it is not welcome in England! I hope the council take action and get it removed![/p][/quote]Again, you can fly the Union Jack. But, hey-ho, never let the truth get in the way of an opportunity for Muslim bashing.[/p][/quote]Well the patron flag of our country is the St George Cross, this flag should be flown everywhere. Patriotism not racism! FreedomOfSpeech1945
  • Score: 16

7:21pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Peaceonthestreets says...

mr.mark.c wrote:
Peaceonthestreets wrote:
And just to say it is absoultly disgusting and inhumane how they are committing genocide under our very own eyes. Bloodshed. Killing innocent civilians. Shooting children and babies right through the chest. What if that was your baby???
I would be very worried as I live in England.
No matter where you live your child is your world and you would be distraught. You wouldnt even have the will to live. It makes me feel sick thinking about it. Imagine something similar would have happened during the world wars in england. Innocent people being killed because some tyrant wanted to take over. I just hope we never ever have to face a day or time like that. I hope for all of us.
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peaceonthestreets[/bold] wrote: And just to say it is absoultly disgusting and inhumane how they are committing genocide under our very own eyes. Bloodshed. Killing innocent civilians. Shooting children and babies right through the chest. What if that was your baby???[/p][/quote]I would be very worried as I live in England.[/p][/quote]No matter where you live your child is your world and you would be distraught. You wouldnt even have the will to live. It makes me feel sick thinking about it. Imagine something similar would have happened during the world wars in england. Innocent people being killed because some tyrant wanted to take over. I just hope we never ever have to face a day or time like that. I hope for all of us. Peaceonthestreets
  • Score: 26

7:28pm Tue 22 Jul 14

mdavies11 says...

Israeli and Palestinians should live together and celebrate the multiculturalism like we do with the vibrantly diverse enrichment all the different groups like the Khans have brought to Bolton.

Unless cramming a bunch of different cultures on a little patch of land does not lead to harmony, in which case we're all in trouble.
Israeli and Palestinians should live together and celebrate the multiculturalism like we do with the vibrantly diverse enrichment all the different groups like the Khans have brought to Bolton. Unless cramming a bunch of different cultures on a little patch of land does not lead to harmony, in which case we're all in trouble. mdavies11
  • Score: 26

7:30pm Tue 22 Jul 14

FreedomOfSpeech1945 says...

Why is it so difficult these days to be proud of your country without being branded a racist? How many men fell in two world wars for our country, they paid the ultimate price for our freedom and these days it seems to be slowly being taken away from us, in favour of the minorities around us.
Why is it so difficult these days to be proud of your country without being branded a racist? How many men fell in two world wars for our country, they paid the ultimate price for our freedom and these days it seems to be slowly being taken away from us, in favour of the minorities around us. FreedomOfSpeech1945
  • Score: 41

7:33pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Peaceonthestreets says...

mdavies11 wrote:
Israeli and Palestinians should live together and celebrate the multiculturalism like we do with the vibrantly diverse enrichment all the different groups like the Khans have brought to Bolton.

Unless cramming a bunch of different cultures on a little patch of land does not lead to harmony, in which case we're all in trouble.
Excellent!!! Love reading positivity!!!
[quote][p][bold]mdavies11[/bold] wrote: Israeli and Palestinians should live together and celebrate the multiculturalism like we do with the vibrantly diverse enrichment all the different groups like the Khans have brought to Bolton. Unless cramming a bunch of different cultures on a little patch of land does not lead to harmony, in which case we're all in trouble.[/p][/quote]Excellent!!! Love reading positivity!!! Peaceonthestreets
  • Score: 21

7:40pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Peaceonthestreets says...

FreedomOfSpeech1945 wrote:
Why is it so difficult these days to be proud of your country without being branded a racist? How many men fell in two world wars for our country, they paid the ultimate price for our freedom and these days it seems to be slowly being taken away from us, in favour of the minorities around us.
Anybody that calls you a racist for loving your country is ignorant and scum just like how someone practising islam peacefully is branded a terrorist whenever anything happens. Im a british muslim and you know what i love Britain! There you go! I pay taxes to help keep the british goverment going...i give my neighbours eid and xmas gifts....and i support england at the world cup! I love britain. I also like france but im not going to go there and bulldoze a persons house there and build mine cuz i fancy it. I also think its really cool how the jews are supporting palestine. Theres probably more jews supporting palestine than any other country/religion/rac
e/culture. Some people are just very very stupid and like to cause a race/religious argument.
[quote][p][bold]FreedomOfSpeech1945[/bold] wrote: Why is it so difficult these days to be proud of your country without being branded a racist? How many men fell in two world wars for our country, they paid the ultimate price for our freedom and these days it seems to be slowly being taken away from us, in favour of the minorities around us.[/p][/quote]Anybody that calls you a racist for loving your country is ignorant and scum just like how someone practising islam peacefully is branded a terrorist whenever anything happens. Im a british muslim and you know what i love Britain! There you go! I pay taxes to help keep the british goverment going...i give my neighbours eid and xmas gifts....and i support england at the world cup! I love britain. I also like france but im not going to go there and bulldoze a persons house there and build mine cuz i fancy it. I also think its really cool how the jews are supporting palestine. Theres probably more jews supporting palestine than any other country/religion/rac e/culture. Some people are just very very stupid and like to cause a race/religious argument. Peaceonthestreets
  • Score: 31

7:43pm Tue 22 Jul 14

OriginalAngryDad says...

Peaceonthestreets wrote:
mdavies11 wrote:
Israeli and Palestinians should live together and celebrate the multiculturalism like we do with the vibrantly diverse enrichment all the different groups like the Khans have brought to Bolton.

Unless cramming a bunch of different cultures on a little patch of land does not lead to harmony, in which case we're all in trouble.
Excellent!!! Love reading positivity!!!
Whoosh!

Right over his head......

Just like one of the rockets fired by the cowardly Palestinians....
[quote][p][bold]Peaceonthestreets[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mdavies11[/bold] wrote: Israeli and Palestinians should live together and celebrate the multiculturalism like we do with the vibrantly diverse enrichment all the different groups like the Khans have brought to Bolton. Unless cramming a bunch of different cultures on a little patch of land does not lead to harmony, in which case we're all in trouble.[/p][/quote]Excellent!!! Love reading positivity!!![/p][/quote]Whoosh! Right over his head...... Just like one of the rockets fired by the cowardly Palestinians.... OriginalAngryDad
  • Score: -14

7:48pm Tue 22 Jul 14

JustBecause says...

Pretty sure he can do what he wants within the law, and again pretty sure as he sits in his nice house, looking at his nice garden full of nice cars, he couldn't care less what the loonies on here think.

If he flew the british flag he would have got grief from some quarters as well.

Typical british values and attitude, the better you do in life or business, the more people will try to knock you down to their level because of bitter jealousy and general anger at their own cra99y lives.
Pretty sure he can do what he wants within the law, and again pretty sure as he sits in his nice house, looking at his nice garden full of nice cars, he couldn't care less what the loonies on here think. If he flew the british flag he would have got grief from some quarters as well. Typical british values and attitude, the better you do in life or business, the more people will try to knock you down to their level because of bitter jealousy and general anger at their own cra99y lives. JustBecause
  • Score: -9

7:52pm Tue 22 Jul 14

allan111111 says...

8 off the top 10 most dangerous countries in the world are muslim.....just saying
8 off the top 10 most dangerous countries in the world are muslim.....just saying allan111111
  • Score: 23

8:01pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Peaceonthestreets says...

allan111111 wrote:
8 off the top 10 most dangerous countries in the world are muslim.....just saying
Lmfao where did you get that from.... Boogle for dumbos??? Sorry no straight from your little brain.
Muslim countries have a virtually zero percent crime rate due to shariah law.

Go on google it............ I dare yoy
[quote][p][bold]allan111111[/bold] wrote: 8 off the top 10 most dangerous countries in the world are muslim.....just saying[/p][/quote]Lmfao where did you get that from.... Boogle for dumbos??? Sorry no straight from your little brain. Muslim countries have a virtually zero percent crime rate due to shariah law. Go on google it............ I dare yoy Peaceonthestreets
  • Score: -26

8:01pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Peaceonthestreets says...

allan111111 wrote:
8 off the top 10 most dangerous countries in the world are muslim.....just saying
Lmfao where did you get that from.... Boogle for dumbos??? Sorry no straight from your little brain.
Muslim countries have a virtually zero percent crime rate due to shariah law.

Go on google it............ I dare you
[quote][p][bold]allan111111[/bold] wrote: 8 off the top 10 most dangerous countries in the world are muslim.....just saying[/p][/quote]Lmfao where did you get that from.... Boogle for dumbos??? Sorry no straight from your little brain. Muslim countries have a virtually zero percent crime rate due to shariah law. Go on google it............ I dare you Peaceonthestreets
  • Score: -5

8:46pm Tue 22 Jul 14

johnnykilroy4 says...

He should have a flag up saying i am A,K
He should have a flag up saying i am A,K johnnykilroy4
  • Score: 17

8:53pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Uncle Harry says...

Some people just live in a fish bowl. Clearly all they can see is straight ahead and nothing else. Most muslims are born in the uk so its their country as well, so get a grip. Some people just think they own everything just because they think they are superior because of the colour of their skin. Wars in Muslim countries are for their Resources, for the west to benefit. If you look at history UK robbed India of its Jewels & killed 60 million through starvation, colonialist & 40 famines. google 'east india company starvation famines'

http://historum.com/
asian-history/35502-
more-than-60-million
-indians-starved-dea
th-under-british-rul
e.html
Some people just live in a fish bowl. Clearly all they can see is straight ahead and nothing else. Most muslims are born in the uk so its their country as well, so get a grip. Some people just think they own everything just because they think they are superior because of the colour of their skin. Wars in Muslim countries are for their Resources, for the west to benefit. If you look at history UK robbed India of its Jewels & killed 60 million through starvation, colonialist & 40 famines. google 'east india company starvation famines' http://historum.com/ asian-history/35502- more-than-60-million -indians-starved-dea th-under-british-rul e.html Uncle Harry
  • Score: 10

9:02pm Tue 22 Jul 14

allan111111 says...

Uncle Harry wrote:
Some people just live in a fish bowl. Clearly all they can see is straight ahead and nothing else. Most muslims are born in the uk so its their country as well, so get a grip. Some people just think they own everything just because they think they are superior because of the colour of their skin. Wars in Muslim countries are for their Resources, for the west to benefit. If you look at history UK robbed India of its Jewels & killed 60 million through starvation, colonialist & 40 famines. google 'east india company starvation famines'

http://historum.com/

asian-history/35502-

more-than-60-million

-indians-starved-dea

th-under-british-rul

e.html
Uncle harry Google trojan horse scandal.....We don't need their extremist terrorist views forced upon our children this is the UK not some third world country
[quote][p][bold]Uncle Harry[/bold] wrote: Some people just live in a fish bowl. Clearly all they can see is straight ahead and nothing else. Most muslims are born in the uk so its their country as well, so get a grip. Some people just think they own everything just because they think they are superior because of the colour of their skin. Wars in Muslim countries are for their Resources, for the west to benefit. If you look at history UK robbed India of its Jewels & killed 60 million through starvation, colonialist & 40 famines. google 'east india company starvation famines' http://historum.com/ asian-history/35502- more-than-60-million -indians-starved-dea th-under-british-rul e.html[/p][/quote]Uncle harry Google trojan horse scandal.....We don't need their extremist terrorist views forced upon our children this is the UK not some third world country allan111111
  • Score: 7

9:47pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Uncle Harry says...

No-one 'forcing' anything on anyone. Its a free country. Yes the british through their colonial rule have millions of people's blood on their hands. Some people just love hiding the real truth. Here you go 'How Churchill Starved India' BBC

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/blogs/legacy/therep
orters/soutikbiswas/
2010/10/how_churchil
l_starved_india.html
No-one 'forcing' anything on anyone. Its a free country. Yes the british through their colonial rule have millions of people's blood on their hands. Some people just love hiding the real truth. Here you go 'How Churchill Starved India' BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk /blogs/legacy/therep orters/soutikbiswas/ 2010/10/how_churchil l_starved_india.html Uncle Harry
  • Score: 7

9:54pm Tue 22 Jul 14

boltonnut says...

Kudos to B.N. for letting people comment on this situation.Now about the flag pole,I would like to see the Khan tribe make it disappear by having one of them bending over.
Kudos to B.N. for letting people comment on this situation.Now about the flag pole,I would like to see the Khan tribe make it disappear by having one of them bending over. boltonnut
  • Score: 3

9:56pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Beyond News Forum says...

OriginalAngryDad wrote:
Uncle Harry,

I'd take your polemic more seriously, if you could actually construct a coherent sentence.

I'm well aware of the history surrounding the creation of the state of Israel, but does any of it justify Hamas firing rockets from school yards and then scuttling off to hide in heavily populated areas and using innocent women and children as human shields?

Cowards, the lot of 'em.....
Does not justify Israel using jets and drones to bomb the sh!t out of the place either.

Missiles v Fireworks? LOL

Israel are the cowards, bullies in the school yard backed by the biggest bully of all... the USA.

Israel can use less lethal force but chooses not to... the choose to use the technology supplies via aid payments from countries such as the UK and USA.

Many Jews do not believe in what Israel is doing, yet your trusted media chooses to show a few weeping Israelis begging for Palestinian blood.
[quote][p][bold]OriginalAngryDad[/bold] wrote: Uncle Harry, I'd take your polemic more seriously, if you could actually construct a coherent sentence. I'm well aware of the history surrounding the creation of the state of Israel, but does any of it justify Hamas firing rockets from school yards and then scuttling off to hide in heavily populated areas and using innocent women and children as human shields? Cowards, the lot of 'em.....[/p][/quote]Does not justify Israel using jets and drones to bomb the sh!t out of the place either. Missiles v Fireworks? LOL Israel are the cowards, bullies in the school yard backed by the biggest bully of all... the USA. Israel can use less lethal force but chooses not to... the choose to use the technology supplies via aid payments from countries such as the UK and USA. Many Jews do not believe in what Israel is doing, yet your trusted media chooses to show a few weeping Israelis begging for Palestinian blood. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 13

9:59pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Typo city again.
Typo city again. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: -10

10:12pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Up The Revolution says...

Reed Lover wrote:
CDJ1973 wrote:
the only flags that should be flown in this country are our flags, if they dont like our flags, then they should go back to where they come from and fly them there. Bloody joke!
What about the Embassy flags in London, or ships in British waters? What about national flags at football matches?
You aren't thought this through have you?
Why don't you just admit that you are a sad little racist who is offended by Muslim people?
You offend a lot of people and the majority aren't racist... Islam isn't a race !
[quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CDJ1973[/bold] wrote: the only flags that should be flown in this country are our flags, if they dont like our flags, then they should go back to where they come from and fly them there. Bloody joke![/p][/quote]What about the Embassy flags in London, or ships in British waters? What about national flags at football matches? You aren't thought this through have you? Why don't you just admit that you are a sad little racist who is offended by Muslim people?[/p][/quote]You offend a lot of people and the majority aren't racist... Islam isn't a race ! Up The Revolution
  • Score: 15

10:17pm Tue 22 Jul 14

mr.mark.c says...

Up The Revolution wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
CDJ1973 wrote:
the only flags that should be flown in this country are our flags, if they dont like our flags, then they should go back to where they come from and fly them there. Bloody joke!
What about the Embassy flags in London, or ships in British waters? What about national flags at football matches?
You aren't thought this through have you?
Why don't you just admit that you are a sad little racist who is offended by Muslim people?
You offend a lot of people and the majority aren't racist... Islam isn't a race !
I find it quite scary that some muslims think islam is a race rather than a religion as muslims come from different races around the world, the first Mosque in England was in Liverpool and opened by a white British muslim.
[quote][p][bold]Up The Revolution[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CDJ1973[/bold] wrote: the only flags that should be flown in this country are our flags, if they dont like our flags, then they should go back to where they come from and fly them there. Bloody joke![/p][/quote]What about the Embassy flags in London, or ships in British waters? What about national flags at football matches? You aren't thought this through have you? Why don't you just admit that you are a sad little racist who is offended by Muslim people?[/p][/quote]You offend a lot of people and the majority aren't racist... Islam isn't a race ![/p][/quote]I find it quite scary that some muslims think islam is a race rather than a religion as muslims come from different races around the world, the first Mosque in England was in Liverpool and opened by a white British muslim. mr.mark.c
  • Score: -11

10:55pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Citizen Cane says...

mr.mark.c wrote:
Without taking sides.
One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.
Excellent post - the Jewish freedom fighters were termed "terrorists" by the Brits during the independence struggle.

There is no right answer here. Except, what do you think would happen if someone flew an Israeli flag in Daubhill - would it be accepted in an open-minded manner?

As for charitable works as a front for respectability : two words: Jimmy Saville. Short memory eh? Perhaps illustrates how his alleged misdeeds were tolerated for so long by bullies playing the charity card. True charitable actions should be performed with humility, otherwise it is not charity but tasteless self promotion.
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: Without taking sides. One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.[/p][/quote]Excellent post - the Jewish freedom fighters were termed "terrorists" by the Brits during the independence struggle. There is no right answer here. Except, what do you think would happen if someone flew an Israeli flag in Daubhill - would it be accepted in an open-minded manner? As for charitable works as a front for respectability : two words: Jimmy Saville. Short memory eh? Perhaps illustrates how his alleged misdeeds were tolerated for so long by bullies playing the charity card. True charitable actions should be performed with humility, otherwise it is not charity but tasteless self promotion. Citizen Cane
  • Score: 7

11:11pm Tue 22 Jul 14

BIG ERN says...

Amir Khan’s family is flying the Palestine flag.

Haroon Khan, the boxer’s younger brother, tweeted a picture of the flag saying “The flags (sic) up at the Khan house #free Palestine


and that is it.

What a truly newsworthy article. I'll file it under IDGAF
Amir Khan’s family is flying the Palestine flag. Haroon Khan, the boxer’s younger brother, tweeted a picture of the flag saying “The flags (sic) up at the Khan house #free Palestine and that is it. What a truly newsworthy article. I'll file it under IDGAF BIG ERN
  • Score: 7

11:12pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Mike62 says...

Can someone please explain to me how a country named Israel was attacked 5000 years ago (approx) if it has only just come into existance and looking at some posts here it is a new country. Surely if this is the case someone must have taken it away from the original people that lived there. And i wonder who this was?
I am not taking sides i am just sick of people quoting history when they obviously know very little about it themselves.
And just to add, if my reading is correct they were attacked by the Hyksos over 7000 years ago as well.
So much for our many historians on here.
Can someone please explain to me how a country named Israel was attacked 5000 years ago (approx) if it has only just come into existance and looking at some posts here it is a new country. Surely if this is the case someone must have taken it away from the original people that lived there. And i wonder who this was? I am not taking sides i am just sick of people quoting history when they obviously know very little about it themselves. And just to add, if my reading is correct they were attacked by the Hyksos over 7000 years ago as well. So much for our many historians on here. Mike62
  • Score: 7

11:32pm Tue 22 Jul 14

ccjone says...

BEN, do not give Amir Khan the publicity he craves- he is obviously above the law grrrr!! Palestian flag today, the flag of Islam tomorrow...
BEN, do not give Amir Khan the publicity he craves- he is obviously above the law grrrr!! Palestian flag today, the flag of Islam tomorrow... ccjone
  • Score: 9

1:34am Wed 23 Jul 14

united99 says...

So what if he's flying the Palestinian flag so am I and millions of Muslims around the world - why because we care about our Muslim brothers and sisters.
Alan111 you are a stupid plonker - no one is stopping you from flying the flag of st George - if you can't be bothered flying the flag then don't open your big fat mouth you daft twit.
Any one who doesn't like us Muslims fighting the cause to free Palestine tough - live with it and don't start going on about go over to gaza and fight because it's not as straight forward as that.
Get over it the lot of you.
So what if he's flying the Palestinian flag so am I and millions of Muslims around the world - why because we care about our Muslim brothers and sisters. Alan111 you are a stupid plonker - no one is stopping you from flying the flag of st George - if you can't be bothered flying the flag then don't open your big fat mouth you daft twit. Any one who doesn't like us Muslims fighting the cause to free Palestine tough - live with it and don't start going on about go over to gaza and fight because it's not as straight forward as that. Get over it the lot of you. united99
  • Score: -32

1:58am Wed 23 Jul 14

Kebian5 says...

Uncle Harry wrote:
Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting.

looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.
A very selective history lesson. There never was a Palestinian state. There are no Palestinian people and no Palestinian holidays and other celebrations you'd expect from a nation. It's entirely invented for propaganda purposes.

After Britain and France conquered the Ottoman Empire in WWI, it needed to administrate it as the empire was no longer there to do so. The Jewish people were massively displaced during the war and so a very small state was created for them in the area where Jewish people had been living for 3,500 years. Even the Quaran says the land belongs to them.

We also created Pakistan after WWII but you don't see India firing thousands of rockets at it.
[quote][p][bold]Uncle Harry[/bold] wrote: Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting. looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.[/p][/quote]A very selective history lesson. There never was a Palestinian state. There are no Palestinian people and no Palestinian holidays and other celebrations you'd expect from a nation. It's entirely invented for propaganda purposes. After Britain and France conquered the Ottoman Empire in WWI, it needed to administrate it as the empire was no longer there to do so. The Jewish people were massively displaced during the war and so a very small state was created for them in the area where Jewish people had been living for 3,500 years. Even the Quaran says the land belongs to them. We also created Pakistan after WWII but you don't see India firing thousands of rockets at it. Kebian5
  • Score: 19

3:52am Wed 23 Jul 14

waka flocks flame says...

Kebian5 wrote:
Uncle Harry wrote:
Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting.

looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.
A very selective history lesson. There never was a Palestinian state. There are no Palestinian people and no Palestinian holidays and other celebrations you'd expect from a nation. It's entirely invented for propaganda purposes.

After Britain and France conquered the Ottoman Empire in WWI, it needed to administrate it as the empire was no longer there to do so. The Jewish people were massively displaced during the war and so a very small state was created for them in the area where Jewish people had been living for 3,500 years. Even the Quaran says the land belongs to them.

We also created Pakistan after WWII but you don't see India firing thousands of rockets at it.
Isn't your version also a selective history? You missed out the part where the native people were forced out to make room these settlers and have had more and more land forcibly taken from them. They have been forced to live in settlements not allowed to leave and treated like second class citizens.

As for your example of Pakistan there has been conflict in Kashmir and Jammu since Pakistan was founded with the Indian army reported commmiting a vast amount of human rights abuses.
[quote][p][bold]Kebian5[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Uncle Harry[/bold] wrote: Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting. looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.[/p][/quote]A very selective history lesson. There never was a Palestinian state. There are no Palestinian people and no Palestinian holidays and other celebrations you'd expect from a nation. It's entirely invented for propaganda purposes. After Britain and France conquered the Ottoman Empire in WWI, it needed to administrate it as the empire was no longer there to do so. The Jewish people were massively displaced during the war and so a very small state was created for them in the area where Jewish people had been living for 3,500 years. Even the Quaran says the land belongs to them. We also created Pakistan after WWII but you don't see India firing thousands of rockets at it.[/p][/quote]Isn't your version also a selective history? You missed out the part where the native people were forced out to make room these settlers and have had more and more land forcibly taken from them. They have been forced to live in settlements not allowed to leave and treated like second class citizens. As for your example of Pakistan there has been conflict in Kashmir and Jammu since Pakistan was founded with the Indian army reported commmiting a vast amount of human rights abuses. waka flocks flame
  • Score: 38

7:31am Wed 23 Jul 14

Citizen Cane says...

Uncle Harry wrote:
Some people just live in a fish bowl. Clearly all they can see is straight ahead and nothing else. Most muslims are born in the uk so its their country as well, so get a grip. Some people just think they own everything just because they think they are superior because of the colour of their skin. Wars in Muslim countries are for their Resources, for the west to benefit. If you look at history UK robbed India of its Jewels & killed 60 million through starvation, colonialist & 40 famines. google 'east india company starvation famines'

http://historum.com/

asian-history/35502-

more-than-60-million

-indians-starved-dea

th-under-british-rul

e.html
Tell us about the extent of arab muslim involvement in the slave trade in East Africa Harry - or is that chapter torn from your history book?

Perhaps you might also share with us the ideological and role model implications of the third wife of Mohammed? A little inconvenient, that one eh?

You say: "Wars in Muslim countries are for their Resources, for the west to benefit." Syria? Libya? Sunni vs Shia?
[quote][p][bold]Uncle Harry[/bold] wrote: Some people just live in a fish bowl. Clearly all they can see is straight ahead and nothing else. Most muslims are born in the uk so its their country as well, so get a grip. Some people just think they own everything just because they think they are superior because of the colour of their skin. Wars in Muslim countries are for their Resources, for the west to benefit. If you look at history UK robbed India of its Jewels & killed 60 million through starvation, colonialist & 40 famines. google 'east india company starvation famines' http://historum.com/ asian-history/35502- more-than-60-million -indians-starved-dea th-under-british-rul e.html[/p][/quote]Tell us about the extent of arab muslim involvement in the slave trade in East Africa Harry - or is that chapter torn from your history book? Perhaps you might also share with us the ideological and role model implications of the third wife of Mohammed? A little inconvenient, that one eh? You say: "Wars in Muslim countries are for their Resources, for the west to benefit." Syria? Libya? Sunni vs Shia? Citizen Cane
  • Score: 10

8:44am Wed 23 Jul 14

655321 says...

Citizen Cane wrote:
Uncle Harry wrote:
Some people just live in a fish bowl. Clearly all they can see is straight ahead and nothing else. Most muslims are born in the uk so its their country as well, so get a grip. Some people just think they own everything just because they think they are superior because of the colour of their skin. Wars in Muslim countries are for their Resources, for the west to benefit. If you look at history UK robbed India of its Jewels & killed 60 million through starvation, colonialist & 40 famines. google 'east india company starvation famines'

http://historum.com/


asian-history/35502-


more-than-60-million


-indians-starved-dea


th-under-british-rul


e.html
Tell us about the extent of arab muslim involvement in the slave trade in East Africa Harry - or is that chapter torn from your history book?

Perhaps you might also share with us the ideological and role model implications of the third wife of Mohammed? A little inconvenient, that one eh?

You say: "Wars in Muslim countries are for their Resources, for the west to benefit." Syria? Libya? Sunni vs Shia?
From the comments you'd think that throughout history only white people were guilty of war crimes, racism, human rights abuses, unjustified wars etc. while muslims are shiny, tolerant, wonderful human beings who don't deserve one iota of criticism.

The human race has its fair share of ar5eholes whatever their colour, race or creed...accept it!
[quote][p][bold]Citizen Cane[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Uncle Harry[/bold] wrote: Some people just live in a fish bowl. Clearly all they can see is straight ahead and nothing else. Most muslims are born in the uk so its their country as well, so get a grip. Some people just think they own everything just because they think they are superior because of the colour of their skin. Wars in Muslim countries are for their Resources, for the west to benefit. If you look at history UK robbed India of its Jewels & killed 60 million through starvation, colonialist & 40 famines. google 'east india company starvation famines' http://historum.com/ asian-history/35502- more-than-60-million -indians-starved-dea th-under-british-rul e.html[/p][/quote]Tell us about the extent of arab muslim involvement in the slave trade in East Africa Harry - or is that chapter torn from your history book? Perhaps you might also share with us the ideological and role model implications of the third wife of Mohammed? A little inconvenient, that one eh? You say: "Wars in Muslim countries are for their Resources, for the west to benefit." Syria? Libya? Sunni vs Shia?[/p][/quote]From the comments you'd think that throughout history only white people were guilty of war crimes, racism, human rights abuses, unjustified wars etc. while muslims are shiny, tolerant, wonderful human beings who don't deserve one iota of criticism. The human race has its fair share of ar5eholes whatever their colour, race or creed...accept it! 655321
  • Score: 13

8:55am Wed 23 Jul 14

taff ray davies says...

http://youtu.be/ngFY
OLOkmaI
http://youtu.be/ngFY OLOkmaI taff ray davies
  • Score: 1

9:37am Wed 23 Jul 14

Bolton Loyal says...

Uncle Harry wrote:
Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting.

looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.
Is Harry short for Haroon?
[quote][p][bold]Uncle Harry[/bold] wrote: Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting. looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.[/p][/quote]Is Harry short for Haroon? Bolton Loyal
  • Score: 0

9:52am Wed 23 Jul 14

knowledgeiskey says...

Fine show support...but what about allegiance to this country..that has fed,clothed supported his family on every level? Where is the British flag? Do they consider themselves British? British Muslims is fine but at least show some respect.
Fine show support...but what about allegiance to this country..that has fed,clothed supported his family on every level? Where is the British flag? Do they consider themselves British? British Muslims is fine but at least show some respect. knowledgeiskey
  • Score: 3

10:56am Wed 23 Jul 14

LoveBolton says...

Amir khan am sorry but he don't represent the Muslim community nor is he a role model for the Muslims youth. Just cause a person is a Muslim they don't represent all Muslims. Take the flag down and sort your self out first. And more importantly love to read the comments on any stories how the silly little boys and girls come out with the islamaphobia nonsense . Islam May not be a RACE but deep down we all know these people who make these comments just have pure hatred for Asians, especially if they are better off than them. As for the comments on how Israel are so so so innocent , Israel was formed 80years ago, they where refuges , who stole the land... Innocent yeah wake up people that's why every house in Israel have BOMB SHELTERS, IRON DOME Rocket defensive system and not to mention weapons of mass destruction and one of the biggest military force in the world Israel have no plans for peace just to kill everyone and take over . Opps when Hamas fire these fireworks the Israel people are so scared they are relaxing at the beach and getting a sun tan... This bit of news was actually aired by the BBC .
Amir khan am sorry but he don't represent the Muslim community nor is he a role model for the Muslims youth. Just cause a person is a Muslim they don't represent all Muslims. Take the flag down and sort your self out first. And more importantly love to read the comments on any stories how the silly little boys and girls come out with the islamaphobia nonsense . Islam May not be a RACE but deep down we all know these people who make these comments just have pure hatred for Asians, especially if they are better off than them. As for the comments on how Israel are so so so innocent , Israel was formed 80years ago, they where refuges , who stole the land... Innocent yeah wake up people that's why every house in Israel have BOMB SHELTERS, IRON DOME Rocket defensive system and not to mention weapons of mass destruction and one of the biggest military force in the world Israel have no plans for peace just to kill everyone and take over . Opps when Hamas fire these fireworks the Israel people are so scared they are relaxing at the beach and getting a sun tan... This bit of news was actually aired by the BBC . LoveBolton
  • Score: -6

11:01am Wed 23 Jul 14

allan111111 says...

united99 wrote:
So what if he's flying the Palestinian flag so am I and millions of Muslims around the world - why because we care about our Muslim brothers and sisters.
Alan111 you are a stupid plonker - no one is stopping you from flying the flag of st George - if you can't be bothered flying the flag then don't open your big fat mouth you daft twit.
Any one who doesn't like us Muslims fighting the cause to free Palestine tough - live with it and don't start going on about go over to gaza and fight because it's not as straight forward as that.
Get over it the lot of you.
I do fly the St George flag on special occasions and commemorate remembrance day.....I just don't understand the violence in a lot of Muslim countries....history is in the past. Move on and find peace for the future instead of the constant violence that ruins the lives of your fellow comrades and the future of your children.....and u am entitled to my opinion because I live in a free country
[quote][p][bold]united99[/bold] wrote: So what if he's flying the Palestinian flag so am I and millions of Muslims around the world - why because we care about our Muslim brothers and sisters. Alan111 you are a stupid plonker - no one is stopping you from flying the flag of st George - if you can't be bothered flying the flag then don't open your big fat mouth you daft twit. Any one who doesn't like us Muslims fighting the cause to free Palestine tough - live with it and don't start going on about go over to gaza and fight because it's not as straight forward as that. Get over it the lot of you.[/p][/quote]I do fly the St George flag on special occasions and commemorate remembrance day.....I just don't understand the violence in a lot of Muslim countries....history is in the past. Move on and find peace for the future instead of the constant violence that ruins the lives of your fellow comrades and the future of your children.....and u am entitled to my opinion because I live in a free country allan111111
  • Score: 8

11:18am Wed 23 Jul 14

FreedomOfSpeech1945 says...

This is a Christian country, end of!
This is a Christian country, end of! FreedomOfSpeech1945
  • Score: 5

11:21am Wed 23 Jul 14

waka flocks flame says...

knowledgeiskey wrote:
Fine show support...but what about allegiance to this country..that has fed,clothed supported his family on every level? Where is the British flag? Do they consider themselves British? British Muslims is fine but at least show some respect.
He represented his country at the Olympics and won a silver medal I'm betting it's considerably more than what most on this comment stream have done.
[quote][p][bold]knowledgeiskey[/bold] wrote: Fine show support...but what about allegiance to this country..that has fed,clothed supported his family on every level? Where is the British flag? Do they consider themselves British? British Muslims is fine but at least show some respect.[/p][/quote]He represented his country at the Olympics and won a silver medal I'm betting it's considerably more than what most on this comment stream have done. waka flocks flame
  • Score: -24

11:23am Wed 23 Jul 14

waka flocks flame says...

FreedomOfSpeech1945 wrote:
This is a Christian country, end of!
End of what?
[quote][p][bold]FreedomOfSpeech1945[/bold] wrote: This is a Christian country, end of![/p][/quote]End of what? waka flocks flame
  • Score: 5

11:25am Wed 23 Jul 14

waka flocks flame says...

allan111111 wrote:
united99 wrote:
So what if he's flying the Palestinian flag so am I and millions of Muslims around the world - why because we care about our Muslim brothers and sisters.
Alan111 you are a stupid plonker - no one is stopping you from flying the flag of st George - if you can't be bothered flying the flag then don't open your big fat mouth you daft twit.
Any one who doesn't like us Muslims fighting the cause to free Palestine tough - live with it and don't start going on about go over to gaza and fight because it's not as straight forward as that.
Get over it the lot of you.
I do fly the St George flag on special occasions and commemorate remembrance day.....I just don't understand the violence in a lot of Muslim countries....history is in the past. Move on and find peace for the future instead of the constant violence that ruins the lives of your fellow comrades and the future of your children.....and u am entitled to my opinion because I live in a free country
Doesn't Amir Khan live in this same free country?
[quote][p][bold]allan111111[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]united99[/bold] wrote: So what if he's flying the Palestinian flag so am I and millions of Muslims around the world - why because we care about our Muslim brothers and sisters. Alan111 you are a stupid plonker - no one is stopping you from flying the flag of st George - if you can't be bothered flying the flag then don't open your big fat mouth you daft twit. Any one who doesn't like us Muslims fighting the cause to free Palestine tough - live with it and don't start going on about go over to gaza and fight because it's not as straight forward as that. Get over it the lot of you.[/p][/quote]I do fly the St George flag on special occasions and commemorate remembrance day.....I just don't understand the violence in a lot of Muslim countries....history is in the past. Move on and find peace for the future instead of the constant violence that ruins the lives of your fellow comrades and the future of your children.....and u am entitled to my opinion because I live in a free country[/p][/quote]Doesn't Amir Khan live in this same free country? waka flocks flame
  • Score: 10

11:55am Wed 23 Jul 14

JohnTheBaptist says...

Hamas are not the problem. Theyre resisting the evil jews who have stolen their land and been oppresing them for decades. Mass murdering their women and children, controlling the us and uk government and their news channels, the main one being bbc (bush and blaire corporation).

Most of those who comment on here watch nothing but the biased bbc and have no idea of the real conflict.

Wake up...
Hamas are not the problem. Theyre resisting the evil jews who have stolen their land and been oppresing them for decades. Mass murdering their women and children, controlling the us and uk government and their news channels, the main one being bbc (bush and blaire corporation). Most of those who comment on here watch nothing but the biased bbc and have no idea of the real conflict. Wake up... JohnTheBaptist
  • Score: -6

12:04pm Wed 23 Jul 14

allan111111 says...

waka flocks flame wrote:
allan111111 wrote:
united99 wrote:
So what if he's flying the Palestinian flag so am I and millions of Muslims around the world - why because we care about our Muslim brothers and sisters.
Alan111 you are a stupid plonker - no one is stopping you from flying the flag of st George - if you can't be bothered flying the flag then don't open your big fat mouth you daft twit.
Any one who doesn't like us Muslims fighting the cause to free Palestine tough - live with it and don't start going on about go over to gaza and fight because it's not as straight forward as that.
Get over it the lot of you.
I do fly the St George flag on special occasions and commemorate remembrance day.....I just don't understand the violence in a lot of Muslim countries....history is in the past. Move on and find peace for the future instead of the constant violence that ruins the lives of your fellow comrades and the future of your children.....and u am entitled to my opinion because I live in a free country
Doesn't Amir Khan live in this same free country?
To trojan horse proves that Muslims are trying to instill shariah laws in this country and remove that freedom...teaching their children to hate everything british
[quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allan111111[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]united99[/bold] wrote: So what if he's flying the Palestinian flag so am I and millions of Muslims around the world - why because we care about our Muslim brothers and sisters. Alan111 you are a stupid plonker - no one is stopping you from flying the flag of st George - if you can't be bothered flying the flag then don't open your big fat mouth you daft twit. Any one who doesn't like us Muslims fighting the cause to free Palestine tough - live with it and don't start going on about go over to gaza and fight because it's not as straight forward as that. Get over it the lot of you.[/p][/quote]I do fly the St George flag on special occasions and commemorate remembrance day.....I just don't understand the violence in a lot of Muslim countries....history is in the past. Move on and find peace for the future instead of the constant violence that ruins the lives of your fellow comrades and the future of your children.....and u am entitled to my opinion because I live in a free country[/p][/quote]Doesn't Amir Khan live in this same free country?[/p][/quote]To trojan horse proves that Muslims are trying to instill shariah laws in this country and remove that freedom...teaching their children to hate everything british allan111111
  • Score: 8

12:11pm Wed 23 Jul 14

johnnyjackson says...

allan111111 wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
allan111111 wrote:
united99 wrote:
So what if he's flying the Palestinian flag so am I and millions of Muslims around the world - why because we care about our Muslim brothers and sisters.
Alan111 you are a stupid plonker - no one is stopping you from flying the flag of st George - if you can't be bothered flying the flag then don't open your big fat mouth you daft twit.
Any one who doesn't like us Muslims fighting the cause to free Palestine tough - live with it and don't start going on about go over to gaza and fight because it's not as straight forward as that.
Get over it the lot of you.
I do fly the St George flag on special occasions and commemorate remembrance day.....I just don't understand the violence in a lot of Muslim countries....history is in the past. Move on and find peace for the future instead of the constant violence that ruins the lives of your fellow comrades and the future of your children.....and u am entitled to my opinion because I live in a free country
Doesn't Amir Khan live in this same free country?
To trojan horse proves that Muslims are trying to instill shariah laws in this country and remove that freedom...teaching their children to hate everything british
You keep dreaming.
BTW, What is there to like about the british culture?
[quote][p][bold]allan111111[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allan111111[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]united99[/bold] wrote: So what if he's flying the Palestinian flag so am I and millions of Muslims around the world - why because we care about our Muslim brothers and sisters. Alan111 you are a stupid plonker - no one is stopping you from flying the flag of st George - if you can't be bothered flying the flag then don't open your big fat mouth you daft twit. Any one who doesn't like us Muslims fighting the cause to free Palestine tough - live with it and don't start going on about go over to gaza and fight because it's not as straight forward as that. Get over it the lot of you.[/p][/quote]I do fly the St George flag on special occasions and commemorate remembrance day.....I just don't understand the violence in a lot of Muslim countries....history is in the past. Move on and find peace for the future instead of the constant violence that ruins the lives of your fellow comrades and the future of your children.....and u am entitled to my opinion because I live in a free country[/p][/quote]Doesn't Amir Khan live in this same free country?[/p][/quote]To trojan horse proves that Muslims are trying to instill shariah laws in this country and remove that freedom...teaching their children to hate everything british[/p][/quote]You keep dreaming. BTW, What is there to like about the british culture? johnnyjackson
  • Score: -6

12:11pm Wed 23 Jul 14

hoppyhol says...

Uncle Harry wrote:
Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting.

looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.
There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad.

If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor?

Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not?

Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel?

We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.
[quote][p][bold]Uncle Harry[/bold] wrote: Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting. looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.[/p][/quote]There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad. If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor? Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not? Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel? We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise. hoppyhol
  • Score: 7

12:14pm Wed 23 Jul 14

FreedomOfSpeech1945 says...

hoppyhol wrote:
Uncle Harry wrote:
Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting.

looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.
There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad.

If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor?

Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not?

Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel?

We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.
I'm sure the aliens are watching us. They'll soon show us the errors of our ways.
[quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Uncle Harry[/bold] wrote: Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting. looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.[/p][/quote]There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad. If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor? Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not? Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel? We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.[/p][/quote]I'm sure the aliens are watching us. They'll soon show us the errors of our ways. FreedomOfSpeech1945
  • Score: 0

12:15pm Wed 23 Jul 14

655321 says...

johnnyjackson wrote:
allan111111 wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
allan111111 wrote:
united99 wrote:
So what if he's flying the Palestinian flag so am I and millions of Muslims around the world - why because we care about our Muslim brothers and sisters.
Alan111 you are a stupid plonker - no one is stopping you from flying the flag of st George - if you can't be bothered flying the flag then don't open your big fat mouth you daft twit.
Any one who doesn't like us Muslims fighting the cause to free Palestine tough - live with it and don't start going on about go over to gaza and fight because it's not as straight forward as that.
Get over it the lot of you.
I do fly the St George flag on special occasions and commemorate remembrance day.....I just don't understand the violence in a lot of Muslim countries....history is in the past. Move on and find peace for the future instead of the constant violence that ruins the lives of your fellow comrades and the future of your children.....and u am entitled to my opinion because I live in a free country
Doesn't Amir Khan live in this same free country?
To trojan horse proves that Muslims are trying to instill shariah laws in this country and remove that freedom...teaching their children to hate everything british
You keep dreaming.
BTW, What is there to like about the british culture?
Please state exactly what problems you have with Britain and/or its culture?
[quote][p][bold]johnnyjackson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allan111111[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allan111111[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]united99[/bold] wrote: So what if he's flying the Palestinian flag so am I and millions of Muslims around the world - why because we care about our Muslim brothers and sisters. Alan111 you are a stupid plonker - no one is stopping you from flying the flag of st George - if you can't be bothered flying the flag then don't open your big fat mouth you daft twit. Any one who doesn't like us Muslims fighting the cause to free Palestine tough - live with it and don't start going on about go over to gaza and fight because it's not as straight forward as that. Get over it the lot of you.[/p][/quote]I do fly the St George flag on special occasions and commemorate remembrance day.....I just don't understand the violence in a lot of Muslim countries....history is in the past. Move on and find peace for the future instead of the constant violence that ruins the lives of your fellow comrades and the future of your children.....and u am entitled to my opinion because I live in a free country[/p][/quote]Doesn't Amir Khan live in this same free country?[/p][/quote]To trojan horse proves that Muslims are trying to instill shariah laws in this country and remove that freedom...teaching their children to hate everything british[/p][/quote]You keep dreaming. BTW, What is there to like about the british culture?[/p][/quote]Please state exactly what problems you have with Britain and/or its culture? 655321
  • Score: 2

12:17pm Wed 23 Jul 14

johnnyjackson says...

655321 wrote:
johnnyjackson wrote:
allan111111 wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
allan111111 wrote:
united99 wrote:
So what if he's flying the Palestinian flag so am I and millions of Muslims around the world - why because we care about our Muslim brothers and sisters.
Alan111 you are a stupid plonker - no one is stopping you from flying the flag of st George - if you can't be bothered flying the flag then don't open your big fat mouth you daft twit.
Any one who doesn't like us Muslims fighting the cause to free Palestine tough - live with it and don't start going on about go over to gaza and fight because it's not as straight forward as that.
Get over it the lot of you.
I do fly the St George flag on special occasions and commemorate remembrance day.....I just don't understand the violence in a lot of Muslim countries....history is in the past. Move on and find peace for the future instead of the constant violence that ruins the lives of your fellow comrades and the future of your children.....and u am entitled to my opinion because I live in a free country
Doesn't Amir Khan live in this same free country?
To trojan horse proves that Muslims are trying to instill shariah laws in this country and remove that freedom...teaching their children to hate everything british
You keep dreaming.
BTW, What is there to like about the british culture?
Please state exactly what problems you have with Britain and/or its culture?
Where do I start?

Drinking, preving, racists, uneducated.
[quote][p][bold]655321[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnnyjackson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allan111111[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allan111111[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]united99[/bold] wrote: So what if he's flying the Palestinian flag so am I and millions of Muslims around the world - why because we care about our Muslim brothers and sisters. Alan111 you are a stupid plonker - no one is stopping you from flying the flag of st George - if you can't be bothered flying the flag then don't open your big fat mouth you daft twit. Any one who doesn't like us Muslims fighting the cause to free Palestine tough - live with it and don't start going on about go over to gaza and fight because it's not as straight forward as that. Get over it the lot of you.[/p][/quote]I do fly the St George flag on special occasions and commemorate remembrance day.....I just don't understand the violence in a lot of Muslim countries....history is in the past. Move on and find peace for the future instead of the constant violence that ruins the lives of your fellow comrades and the future of your children.....and u am entitled to my opinion because I live in a free country[/p][/quote]Doesn't Amir Khan live in this same free country?[/p][/quote]To trojan horse proves that Muslims are trying to instill shariah laws in this country and remove that freedom...teaching their children to hate everything british[/p][/quote]You keep dreaming. BTW, What is there to like about the british culture?[/p][/quote]Please state exactly what problems you have with Britain and/or its culture?[/p][/quote]Where do I start? Drinking, preving, racists, uneducated. johnnyjackson
  • Score: -7

12:20pm Wed 23 Jul 14

655321 says...

johnnyjackson wrote:
655321 wrote:
johnnyjackson wrote:
allan111111 wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
allan111111 wrote:
united99 wrote:
So what if he's flying the Palestinian flag so am I and millions of Muslims around the world - why because we care about our Muslim brothers and sisters.
Alan111 you are a stupid plonker - no one is stopping you from flying the flag of st George - if you can't be bothered flying the flag then don't open your big fat mouth you daft twit.
Any one who doesn't like us Muslims fighting the cause to free Palestine tough - live with it and don't start going on about go over to gaza and fight because it's not as straight forward as that.
Get over it the lot of you.
I do fly the St George flag on special occasions and commemorate remembrance day.....I just don't understand the violence in a lot of Muslim countries....history is in the past. Move on and find peace for the future instead of the constant violence that ruins the lives of your fellow comrades and the future of your children.....and u am entitled to my opinion because I live in a free country
Doesn't Amir Khan live in this same free country?
To trojan horse proves that Muslims are trying to instill shariah laws in this country and remove that freedom...teaching their children to hate everything british
You keep dreaming.
BTW, What is there to like about the british culture?
Please state exactly what problems you have with Britain and/or its culture?
Where do I start?

Drinking, preving, racists, uneducated.
Then feel free to leave, make sure the door doesn't hit your ar5e on the way out...
[quote][p][bold]johnnyjackson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]655321[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnnyjackson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allan111111[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allan111111[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]united99[/bold] wrote: So what if he's flying the Palestinian flag so am I and millions of Muslims around the world - why because we care about our Muslim brothers and sisters. Alan111 you are a stupid plonker - no one is stopping you from flying the flag of st George - if you can't be bothered flying the flag then don't open your big fat mouth you daft twit. Any one who doesn't like us Muslims fighting the cause to free Palestine tough - live with it and don't start going on about go over to gaza and fight because it's not as straight forward as that. Get over it the lot of you.[/p][/quote]I do fly the St George flag on special occasions and commemorate remembrance day.....I just don't understand the violence in a lot of Muslim countries....history is in the past. Move on and find peace for the future instead of the constant violence that ruins the lives of your fellow comrades and the future of your children.....and u am entitled to my opinion because I live in a free country[/p][/quote]Doesn't Amir Khan live in this same free country?[/p][/quote]To trojan horse proves that Muslims are trying to instill shariah laws in this country and remove that freedom...teaching their children to hate everything british[/p][/quote]You keep dreaming. BTW, What is there to like about the british culture?[/p][/quote]Please state exactly what problems you have with Britain and/or its culture?[/p][/quote]Where do I start? Drinking, preving, racists, uneducated.[/p][/quote]Then feel free to leave, make sure the door doesn't hit your ar5e on the way out... 655321
  • Score: 11

12:20pm Wed 23 Jul 14

johnnyjackson says...

To all those ill informed BBC lovers, check the below:

http://www.presstv.c
om/detail/2014/07/23
/372448/israeli-rabb
i-kill-civilians-in-
gaza/
To all those ill informed BBC lovers, check the below: http://www.presstv.c om/detail/2014/07/23 /372448/israeli-rabb i-kill-civilians-in- gaza/ johnnyjackson
  • Score: 3

12:21pm Wed 23 Jul 14

johnnyjackson says...

To all those ill informed BBC lovers, check the below:

http://www.presstv.c
om/detail/2014/07/23
/372448/israeli-rabb
i-kill-civilians-in-
gaza/
To all those ill informed BBC lovers, check the below: http://www.presstv.c om/detail/2014/07/23 /372448/israeli-rabb i-kill-civilians-in- gaza/ johnnyjackson
  • Score: 2

12:21pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Thatissowrong says...

JohnTheBaptist wrote:
Hamas are not the problem. Theyre resisting the evil jews who have stolen their land and been oppresing them for decades. Mass murdering their women and children, controlling the us and uk government and their news channels, the main one being bbc (bush and blaire corporation).

Most of those who comment on here watch nothing but the biased bbc and have no idea of the real conflict.

Wake up...
" evil Jews? ". So what do you call the Muslims who mass murder Muslim women and children in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria not forgetting of course those nutters in Nigeria who kidnapped all those young girls to sell into slavery? I could go on but no need.
I'd be interested in the adjective you use to describe this lot.
[quote][p][bold]JohnTheBaptist[/bold] wrote: Hamas are not the problem. Theyre resisting the evil jews who have stolen their land and been oppresing them for decades. Mass murdering their women and children, controlling the us and uk government and their news channels, the main one being bbc (bush and blaire corporation). Most of those who comment on here watch nothing but the biased bbc and have no idea of the real conflict. Wake up...[/p][/quote]" evil Jews? ". So what do you call the Muslims who mass murder Muslim women and children in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria not forgetting of course those nutters in Nigeria who kidnapped all those young girls to sell into slavery? I could go on but no need. I'd be interested in the adjective you use to describe this lot. Thatissowrong
  • Score: 10

12:23pm Wed 23 Jul 14

allan111111 says...

Muslims always spouting on about hating the west and then choosing to live here .....hypocrites....n
o wonder it's a religion of violence and hate
Muslims always spouting on about hating the west and then choosing to live here .....hypocrites....n o wonder it's a religion of violence and hate allan111111
  • Score: 9

12:25pm Wed 23 Jul 14

waka flocks flame says...

allan111111 wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
allan111111 wrote:
united99 wrote:
So what if he's flying the Palestinian flag so am I and millions of Muslims around the world - why because we care about our Muslim brothers and sisters.
Alan111 you are a stupid plonker - no one is stopping you from flying the flag of st George - if you can't be bothered flying the flag then don't open your big fat mouth you daft twit.
Any one who doesn't like us Muslims fighting the cause to free Palestine tough - live with it and don't start going on about go over to gaza and fight because it's not as straight forward as that.
Get over it the lot of you.
I do fly the St George flag on special occasions and commemorate remembrance day.....I just don't understand the violence in a lot of Muslim countries....history is in the past. Move on and find peace for the future instead of the constant violence that ruins the lives of your fellow comrades and the future of your children.....and u am entitled to my opinion because I live in a free country
Doesn't Amir Khan live in this same free country?
To trojan horse proves that Muslims are trying to instill shariah laws in this country and remove that freedom...teaching their children to hate everything british
No Trojan Horse proved that some Muslim's in one part of the country tried to instill extremist Islamic views on children which is totally unacceptable however it is the only example of it so far and while it unlikely this is the only example of it in this country it neither means that this is a widespread problem or that all Muslims are trying to do this.
[quote][p][bold]allan111111[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allan111111[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]united99[/bold] wrote: So what if he's flying the Palestinian flag so am I and millions of Muslims around the world - why because we care about our Muslim brothers and sisters. Alan111 you are a stupid plonker - no one is stopping you from flying the flag of st George - if you can't be bothered flying the flag then don't open your big fat mouth you daft twit. Any one who doesn't like us Muslims fighting the cause to free Palestine tough - live with it and don't start going on about go over to gaza and fight because it's not as straight forward as that. Get over it the lot of you.[/p][/quote]I do fly the St George flag on special occasions and commemorate remembrance day.....I just don't understand the violence in a lot of Muslim countries....history is in the past. Move on and find peace for the future instead of the constant violence that ruins the lives of your fellow comrades and the future of your children.....and u am entitled to my opinion because I live in a free country[/p][/quote]Doesn't Amir Khan live in this same free country?[/p][/quote]To trojan horse proves that Muslims are trying to instill shariah laws in this country and remove that freedom...teaching their children to hate everything british[/p][/quote]No Trojan Horse proved that some Muslim's in one part of the country tried to instill extremist Islamic views on children which is totally unacceptable however it is the only example of it so far and while it unlikely this is the only example of it in this country it neither means that this is a widespread problem or that all Muslims are trying to do this. waka flocks flame
  • Score: 8

12:27pm Wed 23 Jul 14

hoppyhol says...

united99 wrote:
So what if he's flying the Palestinian flag so am I and millions of Muslims around the world - why because we care about our Muslim brothers and sisters.
Alan111 you are a stupid plonker - no one is stopping you from flying the flag of st George - if you can't be bothered flying the flag then don't open your big fat mouth you daft twit.
Any one who doesn't like us Muslims fighting the cause to free Palestine tough - live with it and don't start going on about go over to gaza and fight because it's not as straight forward as that.
Get over it the lot of you.
Why not fly the Syrian, Iraqi, Nigerian flags too. Or is it ok for muslim brothers to slaughter muslim brothers. Why not support the right for the 'people' of Israel and Palestine to live peacefully together, by supporting the innocent people of both countries in the name of the peaceful, caring islamic faith?
[quote][p][bold]united99[/bold] wrote: So what if he's flying the Palestinian flag so am I and millions of Muslims around the world - why because we care about our Muslim brothers and sisters. Alan111 you are a stupid plonker - no one is stopping you from flying the flag of st George - if you can't be bothered flying the flag then don't open your big fat mouth you daft twit. Any one who doesn't like us Muslims fighting the cause to free Palestine tough - live with it and don't start going on about go over to gaza and fight because it's not as straight forward as that. Get over it the lot of you.[/p][/quote]Why not fly the Syrian, Iraqi, Nigerian flags too. Or is it ok for muslim brothers to slaughter muslim brothers. Why not support the right for the 'people' of Israel and Palestine to live peacefully together, by supporting the innocent people of both countries in the name of the peaceful, caring islamic faith? hoppyhol
  • Score: 24

12:31pm Wed 23 Jul 14

waka flocks flame says...

allan111111 wrote:
Muslims always spouting on about hating the west and then choosing to live here .....hypocrites....n

o wonder it's a religion of violence and hate
Not all Muslims just the ones the Daily Mail chooses to report on because it doesn't make a good story to say Muslim gets on with life and doesn't hate anyone.
[quote][p][bold]allan111111[/bold] wrote: Muslims always spouting on about hating the west and then choosing to live here .....hypocrites....n o wonder it's a religion of violence and hate[/p][/quote]Not all Muslims just the ones the Daily Mail chooses to report on because it doesn't make a good story to say Muslim gets on with life and doesn't hate anyone. waka flocks flame
  • Score: -5

12:32pm Wed 23 Jul 14

allan111111 says...

waka flocks flame wrote:
allan111111 wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
allan111111 wrote:
united99 wrote:
So what if he's flying the Palestinian flag so am I and millions of Muslims around the world - why because we care about our Muslim brothers and sisters.
Alan111 you are a stupid plonker - no one is stopping you from flying the flag of st George - if you can't be bothered flying the flag then don't open your big fat mouth you daft twit.
Any one who doesn't like us Muslims fighting the cause to free Palestine tough - live with it and don't start going on about go over to gaza and fight because it's not as straight forward as that.
Get over it the lot of you.
I do fly the St George flag on special occasions and commemorate remembrance day.....I just don't understand the violence in a lot of Muslim countries....history is in the past. Move on and find peace for the future instead of the constant violence that ruins the lives of your fellow comrades and the future of your children.....and u am entitled to my opinion because I live in a free country
Doesn't Amir Khan live in this same free country?
To trojan horse proves that Muslims are trying to instill shariah laws in this country and remove that freedom...teaching their children to hate everything british
No Trojan Horse proved that some Muslim's in one part of the country tried to instill extremist Islamic views on children which is totally unacceptable however it is the only example of it so far and while it unlikely this is the only example of it in this country it neither means that this is a widespread problem or that all Muslims are trying to do this.
Muslims are always in the news...usually for the wrong reasons.....not just in the UK but all over the world....so don't try telling me trojan horse was an isolated incident because we both know that's complete bullocks.....
[quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allan111111[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allan111111[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]united99[/bold] wrote: So what if he's flying the Palestinian flag so am I and millions of Muslims around the world - why because we care about our Muslim brothers and sisters. Alan111 you are a stupid plonker - no one is stopping you from flying the flag of st George - if you can't be bothered flying the flag then don't open your big fat mouth you daft twit. Any one who doesn't like us Muslims fighting the cause to free Palestine tough - live with it and don't start going on about go over to gaza and fight because it's not as straight forward as that. Get over it the lot of you.[/p][/quote]I do fly the St George flag on special occasions and commemorate remembrance day.....I just don't understand the violence in a lot of Muslim countries....history is in the past. Move on and find peace for the future instead of the constant violence that ruins the lives of your fellow comrades and the future of your children.....and u am entitled to my opinion because I live in a free country[/p][/quote]Doesn't Amir Khan live in this same free country?[/p][/quote]To trojan horse proves that Muslims are trying to instill shariah laws in this country and remove that freedom...teaching their children to hate everything british[/p][/quote]No Trojan Horse proved that some Muslim's in one part of the country tried to instill extremist Islamic views on children which is totally unacceptable however it is the only example of it so far and while it unlikely this is the only example of it in this country it neither means that this is a widespread problem or that all Muslims are trying to do this.[/p][/quote]Muslims are always in the news...usually for the wrong reasons.....not just in the UK but all over the world....so don't try telling me trojan horse was an isolated incident because we both know that's complete bullocks..... allan111111
  • Score: 5

12:34pm Wed 23 Jul 14

johnnyjackson says...

waka flocks flame wrote:
allan111111 wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
allan111111 wrote:
united99 wrote:
So what if he's flying the Palestinian flag so am I and millions of Muslims around the world - why because we care about our Muslim brothers and sisters.
Alan111 you are a stupid plonker - no one is stopping you from flying the flag of st George - if you can't be bothered flying the flag then don't open your big fat mouth you daft twit.
Any one who doesn't like us Muslims fighting the cause to free Palestine tough - live with it and don't start going on about go over to gaza and fight because it's not as straight forward as that.
Get over it the lot of you.
I do fly the St George flag on special occasions and commemorate remembrance day.....I just don't understand the violence in a lot of Muslim countries....history is in the past. Move on and find peace for the future instead of the constant violence that ruins the lives of your fellow comrades and the future of your children.....and u am entitled to my opinion because I live in a free country
Doesn't Amir Khan live in this same free country?
To trojan horse proves that Muslims are trying to instill shariah laws in this country and remove that freedom...teaching their children to hate everything british
No Trojan Horse proved that some Muslim's in one part of the country tried to instill extremist Islamic views on children which is totally unacceptable however it is the only example of it so far and while it unlikely this is the only example of it in this country it neither means that this is a widespread problem or that all Muslims are trying to do this.
These schools, particularly the ones in Blackburn were investigated. They found absolutely zilch on them.

What do you make of the 1000 jewsish kids who were being taught one subject and one subject only in an undercover school? They were also being taught everyone else is evil apart from themselves.
[quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allan111111[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allan111111[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]united99[/bold] wrote: So what if he's flying the Palestinian flag so am I and millions of Muslims around the world - why because we care about our Muslim brothers and sisters. Alan111 you are a stupid plonker - no one is stopping you from flying the flag of st George - if you can't be bothered flying the flag then don't open your big fat mouth you daft twit. Any one who doesn't like us Muslims fighting the cause to free Palestine tough - live with it and don't start going on about go over to gaza and fight because it's not as straight forward as that. Get over it the lot of you.[/p][/quote]I do fly the St George flag on special occasions and commemorate remembrance day.....I just don't understand the violence in a lot of Muslim countries....history is in the past. Move on and find peace for the future instead of the constant violence that ruins the lives of your fellow comrades and the future of your children.....and u am entitled to my opinion because I live in a free country[/p][/quote]Doesn't Amir Khan live in this same free country?[/p][/quote]To trojan horse proves that Muslims are trying to instill shariah laws in this country and remove that freedom...teaching their children to hate everything british[/p][/quote]No Trojan Horse proved that some Muslim's in one part of the country tried to instill extremist Islamic views on children which is totally unacceptable however it is the only example of it so far and while it unlikely this is the only example of it in this country it neither means that this is a widespread problem or that all Muslims are trying to do this.[/p][/quote]These schools, particularly the ones in Blackburn were investigated. They found absolutely zilch on them. What do you make of the 1000 jewsish kids who were being taught one subject and one subject only in an undercover school? They were also being taught everyone else is evil apart from themselves. johnnyjackson
  • Score: -13

12:36pm Wed 23 Jul 14

johnnyjackson says...

allan111111 wrote:
Muslims always spouting on about hating the west and then choosing to live here .....hypocrites....n

o wonder it's a religion of violence and hate
Alan, I think you'll find that muslims love this country, they just dont want to adopt the drinking, smoking, football, sex, drugs............ the list goes on culture. The brits have a major problem with this, they are intollerable people.

I dont see the brits integrating when they move abroad for work etc.... The first they do is find a pub or brew their own beer.
[quote][p][bold]allan111111[/bold] wrote: Muslims always spouting on about hating the west and then choosing to live here .....hypocrites....n o wonder it's a religion of violence and hate[/p][/quote]Alan, I think you'll find that muslims love this country, they just dont want to adopt the drinking, smoking, football, sex, drugs............ the list goes on culture. The brits have a major problem with this, they are intollerable people. I dont see the brits integrating when they move abroad for work etc.... The first they do is find a pub or brew their own beer. johnnyjackson
  • Score: 1

12:42pm Wed 23 Jul 14

waka flocks flame says...

hoppyhol wrote:
Uncle Harry wrote:
Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting.

looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.
There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad.

If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor?

Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not?

Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel?

We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.
If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.
[quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Uncle Harry[/bold] wrote: Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting. looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.[/p][/quote]There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad. If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor? Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not? Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel? We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.[/p][/quote]If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs. waka flocks flame
  • Score: -1

12:46pm Wed 23 Jul 14

waka flocks flame says...

allan111111 wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
allan111111 wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
allan111111 wrote:
united99 wrote:
So what if he's flying the Palestinian flag so am I and millions of Muslims around the world - why because we care about our Muslim brothers and sisters.
Alan111 you are a stupid plonker - no one is stopping you from flying the flag of st George - if you can't be bothered flying the flag then don't open your big fat mouth you daft twit.
Any one who doesn't like us Muslims fighting the cause to free Palestine tough - live with it and don't start going on about go over to gaza and fight because it's not as straight forward as that.
Get over it the lot of you.
I do fly the St George flag on special occasions and commemorate remembrance day.....I just don't understand the violence in a lot of Muslim countries....history is in the past. Move on and find peace for the future instead of the constant violence that ruins the lives of your fellow comrades and the future of your children.....and u am entitled to my opinion because I live in a free country
Doesn't Amir Khan live in this same free country?
To trojan horse proves that Muslims are trying to instill shariah laws in this country and remove that freedom...teaching their children to hate everything british
No Trojan Horse proved that some Muslim's in one part of the country tried to instill extremist Islamic views on children which is totally unacceptable however it is the only example of it so far and while it unlikely this is the only example of it in this country it neither means that this is a widespread problem or that all Muslims are trying to do this.
Muslims are always in the news...usually for the wrong reasons.....not just in the UK but all over the world....so don't try telling me trojan horse was an isolated incident because we both know that's complete bullocks.....
If you read what I said I said it was unlikely to be the only example of this. So I wasn't saying this was isolated problem I said it wasn't a widespread problem.
[quote][p][bold]allan111111[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allan111111[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allan111111[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]united99[/bold] wrote: So what if he's flying the Palestinian flag so am I and millions of Muslims around the world - why because we care about our Muslim brothers and sisters. Alan111 you are a stupid plonker - no one is stopping you from flying the flag of st George - if you can't be bothered flying the flag then don't open your big fat mouth you daft twit. Any one who doesn't like us Muslims fighting the cause to free Palestine tough - live with it and don't start going on about go over to gaza and fight because it's not as straight forward as that. Get over it the lot of you.[/p][/quote]I do fly the St George flag on special occasions and commemorate remembrance day.....I just don't understand the violence in a lot of Muslim countries....history is in the past. Move on and find peace for the future instead of the constant violence that ruins the lives of your fellow comrades and the future of your children.....and u am entitled to my opinion because I live in a free country[/p][/quote]Doesn't Amir Khan live in this same free country?[/p][/quote]To trojan horse proves that Muslims are trying to instill shariah laws in this country and remove that freedom...teaching their children to hate everything british[/p][/quote]No Trojan Horse proved that some Muslim's in one part of the country tried to instill extremist Islamic views on children which is totally unacceptable however it is the only example of it so far and while it unlikely this is the only example of it in this country it neither means that this is a widespread problem or that all Muslims are trying to do this.[/p][/quote]Muslims are always in the news...usually for the wrong reasons.....not just in the UK but all over the world....so don't try telling me trojan horse was an isolated incident because we both know that's complete bullocks.....[/p][/quote]If you read what I said I said it was unlikely to be the only example of this. So I wasn't saying this was isolated problem I said it wasn't a widespread problem. waka flocks flame
  • Score: 2

12:49pm Wed 23 Jul 14

johnnyjackson says...

waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
Uncle Harry wrote:
Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting.

looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.
There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad.

If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor?

Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not?

Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel?

We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.
If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.
Vey well put.

It wont stop Israel from funding Sisi and his government.

It wont stop Israel from control the USA, the banking system and the new channels (BBC, CNN, Fox).

It wont stop many evil evil, inhumane things.
[quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Uncle Harry[/bold] wrote: Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting. looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.[/p][/quote]There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad. If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor? Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not? Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel? We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.[/p][/quote]If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.[/p][/quote]Vey well put. It wont stop Israel from funding Sisi and his government. It wont stop Israel from control the USA, the banking system and the new channels (BBC, CNN, Fox). It wont stop many evil evil, inhumane things. johnnyjackson
  • Score: -2

12:52pm Wed 23 Jul 14

hoppyhol says...

waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
Uncle Harry wrote:
Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting.

looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.
There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad.

If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor?

Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not?

Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel?

We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.
If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.
Why wouldn't it stop the oppression?

I'm sure Israel will argue all the oppressive points that you mention have been carried out in response to attempts to destroy Israel. So stop trying to destroy Israel and the oppressive defensive actions of Israel stop? A bit like the Nazis stopping/losing the war, the oppressive actions of the UK, USA etc... stopped.

Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?
[quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Uncle Harry[/bold] wrote: Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting. looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.[/p][/quote]There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad. If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor? Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not? Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel? We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.[/p][/quote]If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.[/p][/quote]Why wouldn't it stop the oppression? I'm sure Israel will argue all the oppressive points that you mention have been carried out in response to attempts to destroy Israel. So stop trying to destroy Israel and the oppressive defensive actions of Israel stop? A bit like the Nazis stopping/losing the war, the oppressive actions of the UK, USA etc... stopped. Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all? hoppyhol
  • Score: 2

1:05pm Wed 23 Jul 14

waka flocks flame says...

hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
Uncle Harry wrote:
Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting.

looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.
There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad.

If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor?

Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not?

Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel?

We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.
If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.
Why wouldn't it stop the oppression?

I'm sure Israel will argue all the oppressive points that you mention have been carried out in response to attempts to destroy Israel. So stop trying to destroy Israel and the oppressive defensive actions of Israel stop? A bit like the Nazis stopping/losing the war, the oppressive actions of the UK, USA etc... stopped.

Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?
The annexing of Palestine and putting settlers on this land is not a response to destroy Israel.
[quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Uncle Harry[/bold] wrote: Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting. looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.[/p][/quote]There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad. If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor? Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not? Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel? We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.[/p][/quote]If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.[/p][/quote]Why wouldn't it stop the oppression? I'm sure Israel will argue all the oppressive points that you mention have been carried out in response to attempts to destroy Israel. So stop trying to destroy Israel and the oppressive defensive actions of Israel stop? A bit like the Nazis stopping/losing the war, the oppressive actions of the UK, USA etc... stopped. Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?[/p][/quote]The annexing of Palestine and putting settlers on this land is not a response to destroy Israel. waka flocks flame
  • Score: 0

1:07pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Djorkaeff's right peg says...

Uncle Harry wrote:
Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting.

looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.
You make a valid contribution and this uprising between zionists and the Jihadist movement is the pefect recipe for Armageddon on a cataclysmic scale. Capitalistic control and divide and rule has been abundantly evident for centuries now and we are fast approaching an unconventional war that has the potential to obliterate a large proportion of inhabitants in the world. With fossil fuels dimishing at a rapid rate and the ever increasing population of the world, the seeds are being sown to handle the shortfall of fuel and energy by the unscrupulous warlords who have raped and pillaged the earth for longer that we can ever imagine.
[quote][p][bold]Uncle Harry[/bold] wrote: Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting. looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.[/p][/quote]You make a valid contribution and this uprising between zionists and the Jihadist movement is the pefect recipe for Armageddon on a cataclysmic scale. Capitalistic control and divide and rule has been abundantly evident for centuries now and we are fast approaching an unconventional war that has the potential to obliterate a large proportion of inhabitants in the world. With fossil fuels dimishing at a rapid rate and the ever increasing population of the world, the seeds are being sown to handle the shortfall of fuel and energy by the unscrupulous warlords who have raped and pillaged the earth for longer that we can ever imagine. Djorkaeff's right peg
  • Score: 0

1:10pm Wed 23 Jul 14

hoppyhol says...

waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
Uncle Harry wrote:
Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting.

looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.
There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad.

If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor?

Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not?

Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel?

We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.
If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.
Why wouldn't it stop the oppression?

I'm sure Israel will argue all the oppressive points that you mention have been carried out in response to attempts to destroy Israel. So stop trying to destroy Israel and the oppressive defensive actions of Israel stop? A bit like the Nazis stopping/losing the war, the oppressive actions of the UK, USA etc... stopped.

Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?
The annexing of Palestine and putting settlers on this land is not a response to destroy Israel.
So I repeat - Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?
[quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Uncle Harry[/bold] wrote: Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting. looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.[/p][/quote]There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad. If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor? Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not? Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel? We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.[/p][/quote]If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.[/p][/quote]Why wouldn't it stop the oppression? I'm sure Israel will argue all the oppressive points that you mention have been carried out in response to attempts to destroy Israel. So stop trying to destroy Israel and the oppressive defensive actions of Israel stop? A bit like the Nazis stopping/losing the war, the oppressive actions of the UK, USA etc... stopped. Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?[/p][/quote]The annexing of Palestine and putting settlers on this land is not a response to destroy Israel.[/p][/quote]So I repeat - Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all? hoppyhol
  • Score: 1

1:12pm Wed 23 Jul 14

waka flocks flame says...

waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
Uncle Harry wrote:
Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting.

looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.
There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad.

If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor?

Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not?

Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel?

We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.
If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.
Why wouldn't it stop the oppression?

I'm sure Israel will argue all the oppressive points that you mention have been carried out in response to attempts to destroy Israel. So stop trying to destroy Israel and the oppressive defensive actions of Israel stop? A bit like the Nazis stopping/losing the war, the oppressive actions of the UK, USA etc... stopped.

Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?
The annexing of Palestine and putting settlers on this land is not a response to destroy Israel.
Also the Israelis have said that if Hamas stop the rocket attacks the only thing they will concede is to stop incursions into Palestine leaving Palestinians still in awful conditions living behind the blockade.
[quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Uncle Harry[/bold] wrote: Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting. looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.[/p][/quote]There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad. If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor? Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not? Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel? We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.[/p][/quote]If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.[/p][/quote]Why wouldn't it stop the oppression? I'm sure Israel will argue all the oppressive points that you mention have been carried out in response to attempts to destroy Israel. So stop trying to destroy Israel and the oppressive defensive actions of Israel stop? A bit like the Nazis stopping/losing the war, the oppressive actions of the UK, USA etc... stopped. Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?[/p][/quote]The annexing of Palestine and putting settlers on this land is not a response to destroy Israel.[/p][/quote]Also the Israelis have said that if Hamas stop the rocket attacks the only thing they will concede is to stop incursions into Palestine leaving Palestinians still in awful conditions living behind the blockade. waka flocks flame
  • Score: 0

1:14pm Wed 23 Jul 14

waka flocks flame says...

hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
Uncle Harry wrote:
Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting.

looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.
There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad.

If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor?

Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not?

Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel?

We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.
If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.
Why wouldn't it stop the oppression?

I'm sure Israel will argue all the oppressive points that you mention have been carried out in response to attempts to destroy Israel. So stop trying to destroy Israel and the oppressive defensive actions of Israel stop? A bit like the Nazis stopping/losing the war, the oppressive actions of the UK, USA etc... stopped.

Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?
The annexing of Palestine and putting settlers on this land is not a response to destroy Israel.
So I repeat - Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?
Because even with a ceasefire Is real have said they will not remove the blockade they will not stop creating settlements on the West Bank
[quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Uncle Harry[/bold] wrote: Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting. looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.[/p][/quote]There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad. If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor? Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not? Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel? We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.[/p][/quote]If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.[/p][/quote]Why wouldn't it stop the oppression? I'm sure Israel will argue all the oppressive points that you mention have been carried out in response to attempts to destroy Israel. So stop trying to destroy Israel and the oppressive defensive actions of Israel stop? A bit like the Nazis stopping/losing the war, the oppressive actions of the UK, USA etc... stopped. Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?[/p][/quote]The annexing of Palestine and putting settlers on this land is not a response to destroy Israel.[/p][/quote]So I repeat - Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?[/p][/quote]Because even with a ceasefire Is real have said they will not remove the blockade they will not stop creating settlements on the West Bank waka flocks flame
  • Score: 1

1:21pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Djorkaeff's right peg says...

You make a valid contribution and this uprising between zionists and the Jihadist movement is the pefect recipe for Armageddon on a cataclysmic scale. Capitalistic control and divide and rule has been abundantly evident for centuries now and we are fast approaching an unconventional war that has the potential to obliterate a large proportion of inhabitants in the world. With fossil fuels dimishing at a rapid rate and the ever increasing population of the world, the seeds are being sown to handle the shortfall of fuel and energy by the unscrupulous warlords who have raped and pillaged the earth for longer that we can ever imagine.
You make a valid contribution and this uprising between zionists and the Jihadist movement is the pefect recipe for Armageddon on a cataclysmic scale. Capitalistic control and divide and rule has been abundantly evident for centuries now and we are fast approaching an unconventional war that has the potential to obliterate a large proportion of inhabitants in the world. With fossil fuels dimishing at a rapid rate and the ever increasing population of the world, the seeds are being sown to handle the shortfall of fuel and energy by the unscrupulous warlords who have raped and pillaged the earth for longer that we can ever imagine. Djorkaeff's right peg
  • Score: -1

1:22pm Wed 23 Jul 14

655321 says...

johnnyjackson wrote:
allan111111 wrote:
Muslims always spouting on about hating the west and then choosing to live here .....hypocrites....n


o wonder it's a religion of violence and hate
Alan, I think you'll find that muslims love this country, they just dont want to adopt the drinking, smoking, football, sex, drugs............ the list goes on culture. The brits have a major problem with this, they are intollerable people.

I dont see the brits integrating when they move abroad for work etc.... The first they do is find a pub or brew their own beer.
So it's ok for you to stereotype Brits but if ANY part of Islam is criticized then all hell breaks loose.

And for the record I enjoy a drink (the only reason you don't is because you are expressly forbidden by your imaginary sky fairy) but it doesn't make me any less of a person than you. As for smoking, football, sex and drugs...are you seriously stating that these are purely non-Islamic activities?
[quote][p][bold]johnnyjackson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allan111111[/bold] wrote: Muslims always spouting on about hating the west and then choosing to live here .....hypocrites....n o wonder it's a religion of violence and hate[/p][/quote]Alan, I think you'll find that muslims love this country, they just dont want to adopt the drinking, smoking, football, sex, drugs............ the list goes on culture. The brits have a major problem with this, they are intollerable people. I dont see the brits integrating when they move abroad for work etc.... The first they do is find a pub or brew their own beer.[/p][/quote]So it's ok for you to stereotype Brits but if ANY part of Islam is criticized then all hell breaks loose. And for the record I enjoy a drink (the only reason you don't is because you are expressly forbidden by your imaginary sky fairy) but it doesn't make me any less of a person than you. As for smoking, football, sex and drugs...are you seriously stating that these are purely non-Islamic activities? 655321
  • Score: 3

1:33pm Wed 23 Jul 14

hoppyhol says...

waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
Uncle Harry wrote:
Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting.

looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.
There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad.

If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor?

Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not?

Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel?

We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.
If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.
Why wouldn't it stop the oppression?

I'm sure Israel will argue all the oppressive points that you mention have been carried out in response to attempts to destroy Israel. So stop trying to destroy Israel and the oppressive defensive actions of Israel stop? A bit like the Nazis stopping/losing the war, the oppressive actions of the UK, USA etc... stopped.

Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?
The annexing of Palestine and putting settlers on this land is not a response to destroy Israel.
So I repeat - Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?
Because even with a ceasefire Is real have said they will not remove the blockade they will not stop creating settlements on the West Bank
They said they would not remove the blockade whilst Hamas is still in power. So again why don't the majority stand side by side with Israel? Look at Ireland, all that is needed us a desire from the people and strong leadership. So why don't the worlds Muslims stand up and support Israels right to exist, therefore bringing about a resolution? Israel accept and welcome a two state solution, why won't the Arabs do the same?
[quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Uncle Harry[/bold] wrote: Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting. looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.[/p][/quote]There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad. If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor? Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not? Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel? We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.[/p][/quote]If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.[/p][/quote]Why wouldn't it stop the oppression? I'm sure Israel will argue all the oppressive points that you mention have been carried out in response to attempts to destroy Israel. So stop trying to destroy Israel and the oppressive defensive actions of Israel stop? A bit like the Nazis stopping/losing the war, the oppressive actions of the UK, USA etc... stopped. Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?[/p][/quote]The annexing of Palestine and putting settlers on this land is not a response to destroy Israel.[/p][/quote]So I repeat - Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?[/p][/quote]Because even with a ceasefire Is real have said they will not remove the blockade they will not stop creating settlements on the West Bank[/p][/quote]They said they would not remove the blockade whilst Hamas is still in power. So again why don't the majority stand side by side with Israel? Look at Ireland, all that is needed us a desire from the people and strong leadership. So why don't the worlds Muslims stand up and support Israels right to exist, therefore bringing about a resolution? Israel accept and welcome a two state solution, why won't the Arabs do the same? hoppyhol
  • Score: 2

2:02pm Wed 23 Jul 14

johnnyjackson says...

hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
Uncle Harry wrote:
Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting.

looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.
There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad.

If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor?

Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not?

Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel?

We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.
If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.
Why wouldn't it stop the oppression?

I'm sure Israel will argue all the oppressive points that you mention have been carried out in response to attempts to destroy Israel. So stop trying to destroy Israel and the oppressive defensive actions of Israel stop? A bit like the Nazis stopping/losing the war, the oppressive actions of the UK, USA etc... stopped.

Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?
The annexing of Palestine and putting settlers on this land is not a response to destroy Israel.
So I repeat - Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?
Because even with a ceasefire Is real have said they will not remove the blockade they will not stop creating settlements on the West Bank
They said they would not remove the blockade whilst Hamas is still in power. So again why don't the majority stand side by side with Israel? Look at Ireland, all that is needed us a desire from the people and strong leadership. So why don't the worlds Muslims stand up and support Israels right to exist, therefore bringing about a resolution? Israel accept and welcome a two state solution, why won't the Arabs do the same?
I think you'll find that Israel dont want a two state solution, they refused.

Widen your horizons , stop reading BBC and the Daily Mail.
[quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Uncle Harry[/bold] wrote: Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting. looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.[/p][/quote]There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad. If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor? Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not? Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel? We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.[/p][/quote]If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.[/p][/quote]Why wouldn't it stop the oppression? I'm sure Israel will argue all the oppressive points that you mention have been carried out in response to attempts to destroy Israel. So stop trying to destroy Israel and the oppressive defensive actions of Israel stop? A bit like the Nazis stopping/losing the war, the oppressive actions of the UK, USA etc... stopped. Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?[/p][/quote]The annexing of Palestine and putting settlers on this land is not a response to destroy Israel.[/p][/quote]So I repeat - Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?[/p][/quote]Because even with a ceasefire Is real have said they will not remove the blockade they will not stop creating settlements on the West Bank[/p][/quote]They said they would not remove the blockade whilst Hamas is still in power. So again why don't the majority stand side by side with Israel? Look at Ireland, all that is needed us a desire from the people and strong leadership. So why don't the worlds Muslims stand up and support Israels right to exist, therefore bringing about a resolution? Israel accept and welcome a two state solution, why won't the Arabs do the same?[/p][/quote]I think you'll find that Israel dont want a two state solution, they refused. Widen your horizons , stop reading BBC and the Daily Mail. johnnyjackson
  • Score: -3

2:07pm Wed 23 Jul 14

waka flocks flame says...

hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
Uncle Harry wrote:
Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting.

looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.
There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad.

If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor?

Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not?

Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel?

We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.
If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.
Why wouldn't it stop the oppression?

I'm sure Israel will argue all the oppressive points that you mention have been carried out in response to attempts to destroy Israel. So stop trying to destroy Israel and the oppressive defensive actions of Israel stop? A bit like the Nazis stopping/losing the war, the oppressive actions of the UK, USA etc... stopped.

Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?
The annexing of Palestine and putting settlers on this land is not a response to destroy Israel.
So I repeat - Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?
Because even with a ceasefire Is real have said they will not remove the blockade they will not stop creating settlements on the West Bank
They said they would not remove the blockade whilst Hamas is still in power. So again why don't the majority stand side by side with Israel? Look at Ireland, all that is needed us a desire from the people and strong leadership. So why don't the worlds Muslims stand up and support Israels right to exist, therefore bringing about a resolution? Israel accept and welcome a two state solution, why won't the Arabs do the same?
Its very easy to be so objective from the outside but if your home was invaded would you concede to let the invaders have the kitchen,bathroom, master bedroom, living room while you have the back bedroom and the shed. And even then you can only have the back bedroom on your invaders conditions and if anyone comes to visit then its tough you've just got the shed that is until the invaders want to build an extension.

I know this is an oversimplified analogy.

If there was a ceasefire and a two state arrangement would Israel reduce its borders to the size of its original foundation in 1947 giving back the Palestinian land it has annexed since then including Jerusalem I think not.
[quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Uncle Harry[/bold] wrote: Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting. looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.[/p][/quote]There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad. If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor? Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not? Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel? We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.[/p][/quote]If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.[/p][/quote]Why wouldn't it stop the oppression? I'm sure Israel will argue all the oppressive points that you mention have been carried out in response to attempts to destroy Israel. So stop trying to destroy Israel and the oppressive defensive actions of Israel stop? A bit like the Nazis stopping/losing the war, the oppressive actions of the UK, USA etc... stopped. Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?[/p][/quote]The annexing of Palestine and putting settlers on this land is not a response to destroy Israel.[/p][/quote]So I repeat - Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?[/p][/quote]Because even with a ceasefire Is real have said they will not remove the blockade they will not stop creating settlements on the West Bank[/p][/quote]They said they would not remove the blockade whilst Hamas is still in power. So again why don't the majority stand side by side with Israel? Look at Ireland, all that is needed us a desire from the people and strong leadership. So why don't the worlds Muslims stand up and support Israels right to exist, therefore bringing about a resolution? Israel accept and welcome a two state solution, why won't the Arabs do the same?[/p][/quote]Its very easy to be so objective from the outside but if your home was invaded would you concede to let the invaders have the kitchen,bathroom, master bedroom, living room while you have the back bedroom and the shed. And even then you can only have the back bedroom on your invaders conditions and if anyone comes to visit then its tough you've just got the shed that is until the invaders want to build an extension. I know this is an oversimplified analogy. If there was a ceasefire and a two state arrangement would Israel reduce its borders to the size of its original foundation in 1947 giving back the Palestinian land it has annexed since then including Jerusalem I think not. waka flocks flame
  • Score: 2

2:16pm Wed 23 Jul 14

hoppyhol says...

waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
Uncle Harry wrote:
Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting.

looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.
There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad.

If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor?

Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not?

Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel?

We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.
If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.
Why wouldn't it stop the oppression?

I'm sure Israel will argue all the oppressive points that you mention have been carried out in response to attempts to destroy Israel. So stop trying to destroy Israel and the oppressive defensive actions of Israel stop? A bit like the Nazis stopping/losing the war, the oppressive actions of the UK, USA etc... stopped.

Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?
The annexing of Palestine and putting settlers on this land is not a response to destroy Israel.
So I repeat - Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?
Because even with a ceasefire Is real have said they will not remove the blockade they will not stop creating settlements on the West Bank
They said they would not remove the blockade whilst Hamas is still in power. So again why don't the majority stand side by side with Israel? Look at Ireland, all that is needed us a desire from the people and strong leadership. So why don't the worlds Muslims stand up and support Israels right to exist, therefore bringing about a resolution? Israel accept and welcome a two state solution, why won't the Arabs do the same?
Its very easy to be so objective from the outside but if your home was invaded would you concede to let the invaders have the kitchen,bathroom, master bedroom, living room while you have the back bedroom and the shed. And even then you can only have the back bedroom on your invaders conditions and if anyone comes to visit then its tough you've just got the shed that is until the invaders want to build an extension.

I know this is an oversimplified analogy.

If there was a ceasefire and a two state arrangement would Israel reduce its borders to the size of its original foundation in 1947 giving back the Palestinian land it has annexed since then including Jerusalem I think not.
Some would say that our land is constantly invaded due to our immigration policy. Yet we still manage to live in peace.

The land of the Jews pre-dates the formation of Islam by at least 1,200 years, so should they expand their borders back to that point in time? My point is its all land, they are all humans, why not just live tolerantly side by side, unless of course one side wants to further its ideology by brutal suppression and the refusal to acknowledge the right of another religion to exist?
[quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Uncle Harry[/bold] wrote: Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting. looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.[/p][/quote]There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad. If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor? Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not? Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel? We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.[/p][/quote]If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.[/p][/quote]Why wouldn't it stop the oppression? I'm sure Israel will argue all the oppressive points that you mention have been carried out in response to attempts to destroy Israel. So stop trying to destroy Israel and the oppressive defensive actions of Israel stop? A bit like the Nazis stopping/losing the war, the oppressive actions of the UK, USA etc... stopped. Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?[/p][/quote]The annexing of Palestine and putting settlers on this land is not a response to destroy Israel.[/p][/quote]So I repeat - Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?[/p][/quote]Because even with a ceasefire Is real have said they will not remove the blockade they will not stop creating settlements on the West Bank[/p][/quote]They said they would not remove the blockade whilst Hamas is still in power. So again why don't the majority stand side by side with Israel? Look at Ireland, all that is needed us a desire from the people and strong leadership. So why don't the worlds Muslims stand up and support Israels right to exist, therefore bringing about a resolution? Israel accept and welcome a two state solution, why won't the Arabs do the same?[/p][/quote]Its very easy to be so objective from the outside but if your home was invaded would you concede to let the invaders have the kitchen,bathroom, master bedroom, living room while you have the back bedroom and the shed. And even then you can only have the back bedroom on your invaders conditions and if anyone comes to visit then its tough you've just got the shed that is until the invaders want to build an extension. I know this is an oversimplified analogy. If there was a ceasefire and a two state arrangement would Israel reduce its borders to the size of its original foundation in 1947 giving back the Palestinian land it has annexed since then including Jerusalem I think not.[/p][/quote]Some would say that our land is constantly invaded due to our immigration policy. Yet we still manage to live in peace. The land of the Jews pre-dates the formation of Islam by at least 1,200 years, so should they expand their borders back to that point in time? My point is its all land, they are all humans, why not just live tolerantly side by side, unless of course one side wants to further its ideology by brutal suppression and the refusal to acknowledge the right of another religion to exist? hoppyhol
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2:22pm Wed 23 Jul 14

waka flocks flame says...

waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
Uncle Harry wrote:
Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting.

looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.
There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad.

If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor?

Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not?

Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel?

We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.
If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.
Why wouldn't it stop the oppression?

I'm sure Israel will argue all the oppressive points that you mention have been carried out in response to attempts to destroy Israel. So stop trying to destroy Israel and the oppressive defensive actions of Israel stop? A bit like the Nazis stopping/losing the war, the oppressive actions of the UK, USA etc... stopped.

Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?
The annexing of Palestine and putting settlers on this land is not a response to destroy Israel.
So I repeat - Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?
Because even with a ceasefire Is real have said they will not remove the blockade they will not stop creating settlements on the West Bank
They said they would not remove the blockade whilst Hamas is still in power. So again why don't the majority stand side by side with Israel? Look at Ireland, all that is needed us a desire from the people and strong leadership. So why don't the worlds Muslims stand up and support Israels right to exist, therefore bringing about a resolution? Israel accept and welcome a two state solution, why won't the Arabs do the same?
Its very easy to be so objective from the outside but if your home was invaded would you concede to let the invaders have the kitchen,bathroom, master bedroom, living room while you have the back bedroom and the shed. And even then you can only have the back bedroom on your invaders conditions and if anyone comes to visit then its tough you've just got the shed that is until the invaders want to build an extension.

I know this is an oversimplified analogy.

If there was a ceasefire and a two state arrangement would Israel reduce its borders to the size of its original foundation in 1947 giving back the Palestinian land it has annexed since then including Jerusalem I think not.
Don't get me wrong I'm not condoning the actions of Hamas I think a ceasefire is needed. Hamas's actions are futile anyway against the military power of Israel like flicking baked beans at a charging bull. But Israel needs to make a lot of concessions as for giving land back that will result in a whole new set of homeless people but restitutions needs to be made by Israel to those it has forcibly and illegally evicted. Also those guilty of war crimes on both sides need to be brought to justice and example made of them.
[quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Uncle Harry[/bold] wrote: Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting. looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.[/p][/quote]There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad. If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor? Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not? Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel? We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.[/p][/quote]If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.[/p][/quote]Why wouldn't it stop the oppression? I'm sure Israel will argue all the oppressive points that you mention have been carried out in response to attempts to destroy Israel. So stop trying to destroy Israel and the oppressive defensive actions of Israel stop? A bit like the Nazis stopping/losing the war, the oppressive actions of the UK, USA etc... stopped. Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?[/p][/quote]The annexing of Palestine and putting settlers on this land is not a response to destroy Israel.[/p][/quote]So I repeat - Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?[/p][/quote]Because even with a ceasefire Is real have said they will not remove the blockade they will not stop creating settlements on the West Bank[/p][/quote]They said they would not remove the blockade whilst Hamas is still in power. So again why don't the majority stand side by side with Israel? Look at Ireland, all that is needed us a desire from the people and strong leadership. So why don't the worlds Muslims stand up and support Israels right to exist, therefore bringing about a resolution? Israel accept and welcome a two state solution, why won't the Arabs do the same?[/p][/quote]Its very easy to be so objective from the outside but if your home was invaded would you concede to let the invaders have the kitchen,bathroom, master bedroom, living room while you have the back bedroom and the shed. And even then you can only have the back bedroom on your invaders conditions and if anyone comes to visit then its tough you've just got the shed that is until the invaders want to build an extension. I know this is an oversimplified analogy. If there was a ceasefire and a two state arrangement would Israel reduce its borders to the size of its original foundation in 1947 giving back the Palestinian land it has annexed since then including Jerusalem I think not.[/p][/quote]Don't get me wrong I'm not condoning the actions of Hamas I think a ceasefire is needed. Hamas's actions are futile anyway against the military power of Israel like flicking baked beans at a charging bull. But Israel needs to make a lot of concessions as for giving land back that will result in a whole new set of homeless people but restitutions needs to be made by Israel to those it has forcibly and illegally evicted. Also those guilty of war crimes on both sides need to be brought to justice and example made of them. waka flocks flame
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2:24pm Wed 23 Jul 14

hoppyhol says...

johnnyjackson wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
Uncle Harry wrote:
Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting.

looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.
There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad.

If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor?

Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not?

Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel?

We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.
If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.
Why wouldn't it stop the oppression?

I'm sure Israel will argue all the oppressive points that you mention have been carried out in response to attempts to destroy Israel. So stop trying to destroy Israel and the oppressive defensive actions of Israel stop? A bit like the Nazis stopping/losing the war, the oppressive actions of the UK, USA etc... stopped.

Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?
The annexing of Palestine and putting settlers on this land is not a response to destroy Israel.
So I repeat - Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?
Because even with a ceasefire Is real have said they will not remove the blockade they will not stop creating settlements on the West Bank
They said they would not remove the blockade whilst Hamas is still in power. So again why don't the majority stand side by side with Israel? Look at Ireland, all that is needed us a desire from the people and strong leadership. So why don't the worlds Muslims stand up and support Israels right to exist, therefore bringing about a resolution? Israel accept and welcome a two state solution, why won't the Arabs do the same?
I think you'll find that Israel dont want a two state solution, they refused.

Widen your horizons , stop reading BBC and the Daily Mail.
You are wrong, stop believing everything you see on al-Jezzeera.

It is a documented fact of history that in 2007 at the Annapolis Conference the PLO, Israel, and The USA agreed on a two-state solution as the outline for negotiations. Hamas did and still does not recognise a two state solution.
[quote][p][bold]johnnyjackson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Uncle Harry[/bold] wrote: Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting. looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.[/p][/quote]There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad. If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor? Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not? Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel? We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.[/p][/quote]If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.[/p][/quote]Why wouldn't it stop the oppression? I'm sure Israel will argue all the oppressive points that you mention have been carried out in response to attempts to destroy Israel. So stop trying to destroy Israel and the oppressive defensive actions of Israel stop? A bit like the Nazis stopping/losing the war, the oppressive actions of the UK, USA etc... stopped. Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?[/p][/quote]The annexing of Palestine and putting settlers on this land is not a response to destroy Israel.[/p][/quote]So I repeat - Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?[/p][/quote]Because even with a ceasefire Is real have said they will not remove the blockade they will not stop creating settlements on the West Bank[/p][/quote]They said they would not remove the blockade whilst Hamas is still in power. So again why don't the majority stand side by side with Israel? Look at Ireland, all that is needed us a desire from the people and strong leadership. So why don't the worlds Muslims stand up and support Israels right to exist, therefore bringing about a resolution? Israel accept and welcome a two state solution, why won't the Arabs do the same?[/p][/quote]I think you'll find that Israel dont want a two state solution, they refused. Widen your horizons , stop reading BBC and the Daily Mail.[/p][/quote]You are wrong, stop believing everything you see on al-Jezzeera. It is a documented fact of history that in 2007 at the Annapolis Conference the PLO, Israel, and The USA agreed on a two-state solution as the outline for negotiations. Hamas did and still does not recognise a two state solution. hoppyhol
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2:29pm Wed 23 Jul 14

hoppyhol says...

waka flocks flame wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
Uncle Harry wrote:
Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting.

looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.
There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad.

If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor?

Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not?

Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel?

We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.
If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.
Why wouldn't it stop the oppression?

I'm sure Israel will argue all the oppressive points that you mention have been carried out in response to attempts to destroy Israel. So stop trying to destroy Israel and the oppressive defensive actions of Israel stop? A bit like the Nazis stopping/losing the war, the oppressive actions of the UK, USA etc... stopped.

Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?
The annexing of Palestine and putting settlers on this land is not a response to destroy Israel.
So I repeat - Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?
Because even with a ceasefire Is real have said they will not remove the blockade they will not stop creating settlements on the West Bank
They said they would not remove the blockade whilst Hamas is still in power. So again why don't the majority stand side by side with Israel? Look at Ireland, all that is needed us a desire from the people and strong leadership. So why don't the worlds Muslims stand up and support Israels right to exist, therefore bringing about a resolution? Israel accept and welcome a two state solution, why won't the Arabs do the same?
Its very easy to be so objective from the outside but if your home was invaded would you concede to let the invaders have the kitchen,bathroom, master bedroom, living room while you have the back bedroom and the shed. And even then you can only have the back bedroom on your invaders conditions and if anyone comes to visit then its tough you've just got the shed that is until the invaders want to build an extension.

I know this is an oversimplified analogy.

If there was a ceasefire and a two state arrangement would Israel reduce its borders to the size of its original foundation in 1947 giving back the Palestinian land it has annexed since then including Jerusalem I think not.
Don't get me wrong I'm not condoning the actions of Hamas I think a ceasefire is needed. Hamas's actions are futile anyway against the military power of Israel like flicking baked beans at a charging bull. But Israel needs to make a lot of concessions as for giving land back that will result in a whole new set of homeless people but restitutions needs to be made by Israel to those it has forcibly and illegally evicted. Also those guilty of war crimes on both sides need to be brought to justice and example made of them.
I agree, however it must be difficult to give back land when the land is highly likely to be used a spring board for attack. And then once land has been handed back, will that be enough?

All very silly in the great scheme of life.

Its land, plenty of room for everybody, just live and let live :-)
[quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Uncle Harry[/bold] wrote: Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting. looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.[/p][/quote]There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad. If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor? Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not? Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel? We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.[/p][/quote]If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.[/p][/quote]Why wouldn't it stop the oppression? I'm sure Israel will argue all the oppressive points that you mention have been carried out in response to attempts to destroy Israel. So stop trying to destroy Israel and the oppressive defensive actions of Israel stop? A bit like the Nazis stopping/losing the war, the oppressive actions of the UK, USA etc... stopped. Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?[/p][/quote]The annexing of Palestine and putting settlers on this land is not a response to destroy Israel.[/p][/quote]So I repeat - Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?[/p][/quote]Because even with a ceasefire Is real have said they will not remove the blockade they will not stop creating settlements on the West Bank[/p][/quote]They said they would not remove the blockade whilst Hamas is still in power. So again why don't the majority stand side by side with Israel? Look at Ireland, all that is needed us a desire from the people and strong leadership. So why don't the worlds Muslims stand up and support Israels right to exist, therefore bringing about a resolution? Israel accept and welcome a two state solution, why won't the Arabs do the same?[/p][/quote]Its very easy to be so objective from the outside but if your home was invaded would you concede to let the invaders have the kitchen,bathroom, master bedroom, living room while you have the back bedroom and the shed. And even then you can only have the back bedroom on your invaders conditions and if anyone comes to visit then its tough you've just got the shed that is until the invaders want to build an extension. I know this is an oversimplified analogy. If there was a ceasefire and a two state arrangement would Israel reduce its borders to the size of its original foundation in 1947 giving back the Palestinian land it has annexed since then including Jerusalem I think not.[/p][/quote]Don't get me wrong I'm not condoning the actions of Hamas I think a ceasefire is needed. Hamas's actions are futile anyway against the military power of Israel like flicking baked beans at a charging bull. But Israel needs to make a lot of concessions as for giving land back that will result in a whole new set of homeless people but restitutions needs to be made by Israel to those it has forcibly and illegally evicted. Also those guilty of war crimes on both sides need to be brought to justice and example made of them.[/p][/quote]I agree, however it must be difficult to give back land when the land is highly likely to be used a spring board for attack. And then once land has been handed back, will that be enough? All very silly in the great scheme of life. Its land, plenty of room for everybody, just live and let live :-) hoppyhol
  • Score: 3

2:30pm Wed 23 Jul 14

johnnyjackson says...

hoppyhol wrote:
johnnyjackson wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
Uncle Harry wrote:
Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting.

looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.
There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad.

If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor?

Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not?

Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel?

We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.
If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.
Why wouldn't it stop the oppression?

I'm sure Israel will argue all the oppressive points that you mention have been carried out in response to attempts to destroy Israel. So stop trying to destroy Israel and the oppressive defensive actions of Israel stop? A bit like the Nazis stopping/losing the war, the oppressive actions of the UK, USA etc... stopped.

Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?
The annexing of Palestine and putting settlers on this land is not a response to destroy Israel.
So I repeat - Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?
Because even with a ceasefire Is real have said they will not remove the blockade they will not stop creating settlements on the West Bank
They said they would not remove the blockade whilst Hamas is still in power. So again why don't the majority stand side by side with Israel? Look at Ireland, all that is needed us a desire from the people and strong leadership. So why don't the worlds Muslims stand up and support Israels right to exist, therefore bringing about a resolution? Israel accept and welcome a two state solution, why won't the Arabs do the same?
I think you'll find that Israel dont want a two state solution, they refused.

Widen your horizons , stop reading BBC and the Daily Mail.
You are wrong, stop believing everything you see on al-Jezzeera.

It is a documented fact of history that in 2007 at the Annapolis Conference the PLO, Israel, and The USA agreed on a two-state solution as the outline for negotiations. Hamas did and still does not recognise a two state solution.
Do the Israelis and their puppets the Americans and UK recognise the democratically elected government known as Hamas?

Double standards from uneducated people like you.
[quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnnyjackson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Uncle Harry[/bold] wrote: Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting. looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.[/p][/quote]There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad. If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor? Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not? Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel? We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.[/p][/quote]If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.[/p][/quote]Why wouldn't it stop the oppression? I'm sure Israel will argue all the oppressive points that you mention have been carried out in response to attempts to destroy Israel. So stop trying to destroy Israel and the oppressive defensive actions of Israel stop? A bit like the Nazis stopping/losing the war, the oppressive actions of the UK, USA etc... stopped. Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?[/p][/quote]The annexing of Palestine and putting settlers on this land is not a response to destroy Israel.[/p][/quote]So I repeat - Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?[/p][/quote]Because even with a ceasefire Is real have said they will not remove the blockade they will not stop creating settlements on the West Bank[/p][/quote]They said they would not remove the blockade whilst Hamas is still in power. So again why don't the majority stand side by side with Israel? Look at Ireland, all that is needed us a desire from the people and strong leadership. So why don't the worlds Muslims stand up and support Israels right to exist, therefore bringing about a resolution? Israel accept and welcome a two state solution, why won't the Arabs do the same?[/p][/quote]I think you'll find that Israel dont want a two state solution, they refused. Widen your horizons , stop reading BBC and the Daily Mail.[/p][/quote]You are wrong, stop believing everything you see on al-Jezzeera. It is a documented fact of history that in 2007 at the Annapolis Conference the PLO, Israel, and The USA agreed on a two-state solution as the outline for negotiations. Hamas did and still does not recognise a two state solution.[/p][/quote]Do the Israelis and their puppets the Americans and UK recognise the democratically elected government known as Hamas? Double standards from uneducated people like you. johnnyjackson
  • Score: 7

2:31pm Wed 23 Jul 14

johnnyjackson says...

hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
Uncle Harry wrote:
Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting.

looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.
There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad.

If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor?

Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not?

Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel?

We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.
If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.
Why wouldn't it stop the oppression?

I'm sure Israel will argue all the oppressive points that you mention have been carried out in response to attempts to destroy Israel. So stop trying to destroy Israel and the oppressive defensive actions of Israel stop? A bit like the Nazis stopping/losing the war, the oppressive actions of the UK, USA etc... stopped.

Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?
The annexing of Palestine and putting settlers on this land is not a response to destroy Israel.
So I repeat - Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?
Because even with a ceasefire Is real have said they will not remove the blockade they will not stop creating settlements on the West Bank
They said they would not remove the blockade whilst Hamas is still in power. So again why don't the majority stand side by side with Israel? Look at Ireland, all that is needed us a desire from the people and strong leadership. So why don't the worlds Muslims stand up and support Israels right to exist, therefore bringing about a resolution? Israel accept and welcome a two state solution, why won't the Arabs do the same?
Its very easy to be so objective from the outside but if your home was invaded would you concede to let the invaders have the kitchen,bathroom, master bedroom, living room while you have the back bedroom and the shed. And even then you can only have the back bedroom on your invaders conditions and if anyone comes to visit then its tough you've just got the shed that is until the invaders want to build an extension.

I know this is an oversimplified analogy.

If there was a ceasefire and a two state arrangement would Israel reduce its borders to the size of its original foundation in 1947 giving back the Palestinian land it has annexed since then including Jerusalem I think not.
Don't get me wrong I'm not condoning the actions of Hamas I think a ceasefire is needed. Hamas's actions are futile anyway against the military power of Israel like flicking baked beans at a charging bull. But Israel needs to make a lot of concessions as for giving land back that will result in a whole new set of homeless people but restitutions needs to be made by Israel to those it has forcibly and illegally evicted. Also those guilty of war crimes on both sides need to be brought to justice and example made of them.
I agree, however it must be difficult to give back land when the land is highly likely to be used a spring board for attack. And then once land has been handed back, will that be enough?

All very silly in the great scheme of life.

Its land, plenty of room for everybody, just live and let live :-)
Try telling that to the Israelis.
[quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Uncle Harry[/bold] wrote: Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting. looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.[/p][/quote]There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad. If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor? Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not? Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel? We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.[/p][/quote]If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.[/p][/quote]Why wouldn't it stop the oppression? I'm sure Israel will argue all the oppressive points that you mention have been carried out in response to attempts to destroy Israel. So stop trying to destroy Israel and the oppressive defensive actions of Israel stop? A bit like the Nazis stopping/losing the war, the oppressive actions of the UK, USA etc... stopped. Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?[/p][/quote]The annexing of Palestine and putting settlers on this land is not a response to destroy Israel.[/p][/quote]So I repeat - Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?[/p][/quote]Because even with a ceasefire Is real have said they will not remove the blockade they will not stop creating settlements on the West Bank[/p][/quote]They said they would not remove the blockade whilst Hamas is still in power. So again why don't the majority stand side by side with Israel? Look at Ireland, all that is needed us a desire from the people and strong leadership. So why don't the worlds Muslims stand up and support Israels right to exist, therefore bringing about a resolution? Israel accept and welcome a two state solution, why won't the Arabs do the same?[/p][/quote]Its very easy to be so objective from the outside but if your home was invaded would you concede to let the invaders have the kitchen,bathroom, master bedroom, living room while you have the back bedroom and the shed. And even then you can only have the back bedroom on your invaders conditions and if anyone comes to visit then its tough you've just got the shed that is until the invaders want to build an extension. I know this is an oversimplified analogy. If there was a ceasefire and a two state arrangement would Israel reduce its borders to the size of its original foundation in 1947 giving back the Palestinian land it has annexed since then including Jerusalem I think not.[/p][/quote]Don't get me wrong I'm not condoning the actions of Hamas I think a ceasefire is needed. Hamas's actions are futile anyway against the military power of Israel like flicking baked beans at a charging bull. But Israel needs to make a lot of concessions as for giving land back that will result in a whole new set of homeless people but restitutions needs to be made by Israel to those it has forcibly and illegally evicted. Also those guilty of war crimes on both sides need to be brought to justice and example made of them.[/p][/quote]I agree, however it must be difficult to give back land when the land is highly likely to be used a spring board for attack. And then once land has been handed back, will that be enough? All very silly in the great scheme of life. Its land, plenty of room for everybody, just live and let live :-)[/p][/quote]Try telling that to the Israelis. johnnyjackson
  • Score: 6

2:31pm Wed 23 Jul 14

waka flocks flame says...

hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
Uncle Harry wrote:
Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting.

looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.
There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad.

If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor?

Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not?

Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel?

We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.
If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.
Why wouldn't it stop the oppression?

I'm sure Israel will argue all the oppressive points that you mention have been carried out in response to attempts to destroy Israel. So stop trying to destroy Israel and the oppressive defensive actions of Israel stop? A bit like the Nazis stopping/losing the war, the oppressive actions of the UK, USA etc... stopped.

Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?
The annexing of Palestine and putting settlers on this land is not a response to destroy Israel.
So I repeat - Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?
Because even with a ceasefire Is real have said they will not remove the blockade they will not stop creating settlements on the West Bank
They said they would not remove the blockade whilst Hamas is still in power. So again why don't the majority stand side by side with Israel? Look at Ireland, all that is needed us a desire from the people and strong leadership. So why don't the worlds Muslims stand up and support Israels right to exist, therefore bringing about a resolution? Israel accept and welcome a two state solution, why won't the Arabs do the same?
Its very easy to be so objective from the outside but if your home was invaded would you concede to let the invaders have the kitchen,bathroom, master bedroom, living room while you have the back bedroom and the shed. And even then you can only have the back bedroom on your invaders conditions and if anyone comes to visit then its tough you've just got the shed that is until the invaders want to build an extension.

I know this is an oversimplified analogy.

If there was a ceasefire and a two state arrangement would Israel reduce its borders to the size of its original foundation in 1947 giving back the Palestinian land it has annexed since then including Jerusalem I think not.
Some would say that our land is constantly invaded due to our immigration policy. Yet we still manage to live in peace.

The land of the Jews pre-dates the formation of Islam by at least 1,200 years, so should they expand their borders back to that point in time? My point is its all land, they are all humans, why not just live tolerantly side by side, unless of course one side wants to further its ideology by brutal suppression and the refusal to acknowledge the right of another religion to exist?
Comparing the situation to our immigration policy is ridiculous immigrants don't come over and forcibly evict you from your home with guns and bulldozers you aren't then governed by immigrants and treated as a second class citizen.
[quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Uncle Harry[/bold] wrote: Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting. looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.[/p][/quote]There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad. If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor? Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not? Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel? We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.[/p][/quote]If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.[/p][/quote]Why wouldn't it stop the oppression? I'm sure Israel will argue all the oppressive points that you mention have been carried out in response to attempts to destroy Israel. So stop trying to destroy Israel and the oppressive defensive actions of Israel stop? A bit like the Nazis stopping/losing the war, the oppressive actions of the UK, USA etc... stopped. Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?[/p][/quote]The annexing of Palestine and putting settlers on this land is not a response to destroy Israel.[/p][/quote]So I repeat - Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?[/p][/quote]Because even with a ceasefire Is real have said they will not remove the blockade they will not stop creating settlements on the West Bank[/p][/quote]They said they would not remove the blockade whilst Hamas is still in power. So again why don't the majority stand side by side with Israel? Look at Ireland, all that is needed us a desire from the people and strong leadership. So why don't the worlds Muslims stand up and support Israels right to exist, therefore bringing about a resolution? Israel accept and welcome a two state solution, why won't the Arabs do the same?[/p][/quote]Its very easy to be so objective from the outside but if your home was invaded would you concede to let the invaders have the kitchen,bathroom, master bedroom, living room while you have the back bedroom and the shed. And even then you can only have the back bedroom on your invaders conditions and if anyone comes to visit then its tough you've just got the shed that is until the invaders want to build an extension. I know this is an oversimplified analogy. If there was a ceasefire and a two state arrangement would Israel reduce its borders to the size of its original foundation in 1947 giving back the Palestinian land it has annexed since then including Jerusalem I think not.[/p][/quote]Some would say that our land is constantly invaded due to our immigration policy. Yet we still manage to live in peace. The land of the Jews pre-dates the formation of Islam by at least 1,200 years, so should they expand their borders back to that point in time? My point is its all land, they are all humans, why not just live tolerantly side by side, unless of course one side wants to further its ideology by brutal suppression and the refusal to acknowledge the right of another religion to exist?[/p][/quote]Comparing the situation to our immigration policy is ridiculous immigrants don't come over and forcibly evict you from your home with guns and bulldozers you aren't then governed by immigrants and treated as a second class citizen. waka flocks flame
  • Score: 2

2:33pm Wed 23 Jul 14

johnnyjackson says...

hoppyhol wrote:
johnnyjackson wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
Uncle Harry wrote:
Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting.

looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.
There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad.

If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor?

Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not?

Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel?

We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.
If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.
Why wouldn't it stop the oppression?

I'm sure Israel will argue all the oppressive points that you mention have been carried out in response to attempts to destroy Israel. So stop trying to destroy Israel and the oppressive defensive actions of Israel stop? A bit like the Nazis stopping/losing the war, the oppressive actions of the UK, USA etc... stopped.

Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?
The annexing of Palestine and putting settlers on this land is not a response to destroy Israel.
So I repeat - Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?
Because even with a ceasefire Is real have said they will not remove the blockade they will not stop creating settlements on the West Bank
They said they would not remove the blockade whilst Hamas is still in power. So again why don't the majority stand side by side with Israel? Look at Ireland, all that is needed us a desire from the people and strong leadership. So why don't the worlds Muslims stand up and support Israels right to exist, therefore bringing about a resolution? Israel accept and welcome a two state solution, why won't the Arabs do the same?
I think you'll find that Israel dont want a two state solution, they refused.

Widen your horizons , stop reading BBC and the Daily Mail.
You are wrong, stop believing everything you see on al-Jezzeera.

It is a documented fact of history that in 2007 at the Annapolis Conference the PLO, Israel, and The USA agreed on a two-state solution as the outline for negotiations. Hamas did and still does not recognise a two state solution.
Mr "know it all" what do you make of the illegal settlements in the occupied West bank (supported by the Rabbis and by the Israeli Govnmt)?
[quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnnyjackson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Uncle Harry[/bold] wrote: Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting. looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.[/p][/quote]There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad. If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor? Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not? Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel? We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.[/p][/quote]If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.[/p][/quote]Why wouldn't it stop the oppression? I'm sure Israel will argue all the oppressive points that you mention have been carried out in response to attempts to destroy Israel. So stop trying to destroy Israel and the oppressive defensive actions of Israel stop? A bit like the Nazis stopping/losing the war, the oppressive actions of the UK, USA etc... stopped. Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?[/p][/quote]The annexing of Palestine and putting settlers on this land is not a response to destroy Israel.[/p][/quote]So I repeat - Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?[/p][/quote]Because even with a ceasefire Is real have said they will not remove the blockade they will not stop creating settlements on the West Bank[/p][/quote]They said they would not remove the blockade whilst Hamas is still in power. So again why don't the majority stand side by side with Israel? Look at Ireland, all that is needed us a desire from the people and strong leadership. So why don't the worlds Muslims stand up and support Israels right to exist, therefore bringing about a resolution? Israel accept and welcome a two state solution, why won't the Arabs do the same?[/p][/quote]I think you'll find that Israel dont want a two state solution, they refused. Widen your horizons , stop reading BBC and the Daily Mail.[/p][/quote]You are wrong, stop believing everything you see on al-Jezzeera. It is a documented fact of history that in 2007 at the Annapolis Conference the PLO, Israel, and The USA agreed on a two-state solution as the outline for negotiations. Hamas did and still does not recognise a two state solution.[/p][/quote]Mr "know it all" what do you make of the illegal settlements in the occupied West bank (supported by the Rabbis and by the Israeli Govnmt)? johnnyjackson
  • Score: 2

2:39pm Wed 23 Jul 14

hoppyhol says...

waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
Uncle Harry wrote:
Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting.

looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.
There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad.

If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor?

Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not?

Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel?

We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.
If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.
Why wouldn't it stop the oppression?

I'm sure Israel will argue all the oppressive points that you mention have been carried out in response to attempts to destroy Israel. So stop trying to destroy Israel and the oppressive defensive actions of Israel stop? A bit like the Nazis stopping/losing the war, the oppressive actions of the UK, USA etc... stopped.

Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?
The annexing of Palestine and putting settlers on this land is not a response to destroy Israel.
So I repeat - Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?
Because even with a ceasefire Is real have said they will not remove the blockade they will not stop creating settlements on the West Bank
They said they would not remove the blockade whilst Hamas is still in power. So again why don't the majority stand side by side with Israel? Look at Ireland, all that is needed us a desire from the people and strong leadership. So why don't the worlds Muslims stand up and support Israels right to exist, therefore bringing about a resolution? Israel accept and welcome a two state solution, why won't the Arabs do the same?
Its very easy to be so objective from the outside but if your home was invaded would you concede to let the invaders have the kitchen,bathroom, master bedroom, living room while you have the back bedroom and the shed. And even then you can only have the back bedroom on your invaders conditions and if anyone comes to visit then its tough you've just got the shed that is until the invaders want to build an extension.

I know this is an oversimplified analogy.

If there was a ceasefire and a two state arrangement would Israel reduce its borders to the size of its original foundation in 1947 giving back the Palestinian land it has annexed since then including Jerusalem I think not.
Some would say that our land is constantly invaded due to our immigration policy. Yet we still manage to live in peace.

The land of the Jews pre-dates the formation of Islam by at least 1,200 years, so should they expand their borders back to that point in time? My point is its all land, they are all humans, why not just live tolerantly side by side, unless of course one side wants to further its ideology by brutal suppression and the refusal to acknowledge the right of another religion to exist?
Comparing the situation to our immigration policy is ridiculous immigrants don't come over and forcibly evict you from your home with guns and bulldozers you aren't then governed by immigrants and treated as a second class citizen.
That's a matter of opinion.....

It was a tongue in cheek comment in response to your 'oversimplified' analogy.

I'm sure another simple analogy could be, this was our homeland 1,200 years before the formation of your religion, so can we have it back please?

Again, no 'side' is innocent, however one side accepts a two state solution one doesn't. Until the majority of Palestinians and in a wider context muslims worldwide accept a two state solution this will go on and on. So in the name of a peaceful tolerant religion surely they can all stand up and say enough?
[quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Uncle Harry[/bold] wrote: Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting. looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.[/p][/quote]There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad. If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor? Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not? Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel? We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.[/p][/quote]If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.[/p][/quote]Why wouldn't it stop the oppression? I'm sure Israel will argue all the oppressive points that you mention have been carried out in response to attempts to destroy Israel. So stop trying to destroy Israel and the oppressive defensive actions of Israel stop? A bit like the Nazis stopping/losing the war, the oppressive actions of the UK, USA etc... stopped. Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?[/p][/quote]The annexing of Palestine and putting settlers on this land is not a response to destroy Israel.[/p][/quote]So I repeat - Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?[/p][/quote]Because even with a ceasefire Is real have said they will not remove the blockade they will not stop creating settlements on the West Bank[/p][/quote]They said they would not remove the blockade whilst Hamas is still in power. So again why don't the majority stand side by side with Israel? Look at Ireland, all that is needed us a desire from the people and strong leadership. So why don't the worlds Muslims stand up and support Israels right to exist, therefore bringing about a resolution? Israel accept and welcome a two state solution, why won't the Arabs do the same?[/p][/quote]Its very easy to be so objective from the outside but if your home was invaded would you concede to let the invaders have the kitchen,bathroom, master bedroom, living room while you have the back bedroom and the shed. And even then you can only have the back bedroom on your invaders conditions and if anyone comes to visit then its tough you've just got the shed that is until the invaders want to build an extension. I know this is an oversimplified analogy. If there was a ceasefire and a two state arrangement would Israel reduce its borders to the size of its original foundation in 1947 giving back the Palestinian land it has annexed since then including Jerusalem I think not.[/p][/quote]Some would say that our land is constantly invaded due to our immigration policy. Yet we still manage to live in peace. The land of the Jews pre-dates the formation of Islam by at least 1,200 years, so should they expand their borders back to that point in time? My point is its all land, they are all humans, why not just live tolerantly side by side, unless of course one side wants to further its ideology by brutal suppression and the refusal to acknowledge the right of another religion to exist?[/p][/quote]Comparing the situation to our immigration policy is ridiculous immigrants don't come over and forcibly evict you from your home with guns and bulldozers you aren't then governed by immigrants and treated as a second class citizen.[/p][/quote]That's a matter of opinion..... It was a tongue in cheek comment in response to your 'oversimplified' analogy. I'm sure another simple analogy could be, this was our homeland 1,200 years before the formation of your religion, so can we have it back please? Again, no 'side' is innocent, however one side accepts a two state solution one doesn't. Until the majority of Palestinians and in a wider context muslims worldwide accept a two state solution this will go on and on. So in the name of a peaceful tolerant religion surely they can all stand up and say enough? hoppyhol
  • Score: 1

2:45pm Wed 23 Jul 14

hoppyhol says...

johnnyjackson wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
johnnyjackson wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
Uncle Harry wrote:
Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting.

looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.
There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad.

If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor?

Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not?

Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel?

We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.
If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.
Why wouldn't it stop the oppression?

I'm sure Israel will argue all the oppressive points that you mention have been carried out in response to attempts to destroy Israel. So stop trying to destroy Israel and the oppressive defensive actions of Israel stop? A bit like the Nazis stopping/losing the war, the oppressive actions of the UK, USA etc... stopped.

Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?
The annexing of Palestine and putting settlers on this land is not a response to destroy Israel.
So I repeat - Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?
Because even with a ceasefire Is real have said they will not remove the blockade they will not stop creating settlements on the West Bank
They said they would not remove the blockade whilst Hamas is still in power. So again why don't the majority stand side by side with Israel? Look at Ireland, all that is needed us a desire from the people and strong leadership. So why don't the worlds Muslims stand up and support Israels right to exist, therefore bringing about a resolution? Israel accept and welcome a two state solution, why won't the Arabs do the same?
I think you'll find that Israel dont want a two state solution, they refused.

Widen your horizons , stop reading BBC and the Daily Mail.
You are wrong, stop believing everything you see on al-Jezzeera.

It is a documented fact of history that in 2007 at the Annapolis Conference the PLO, Israel, and The USA agreed on a two-state solution as the outline for negotiations. Hamas did and still does not recognise a two state solution.
Mr "know it all" what do you make of the illegal settlements in the occupied West bank (supported by the Rabbis and by the Israeli Govnmt)?
I don't pretend know it all, I just know that your statement was wrong so I offered facts to back up my statement.

In response to your question, I believe they are illegal according to UN resolutions and international law and they should be removed immediately.
That doesn't mean that Israel has no right to exist, it means that they have no right to the current settlements in the West Bank according to current international law.
[quote][p][bold]johnnyjackson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnnyjackson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Uncle Harry[/bold] wrote: Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting. looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.[/p][/quote]There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad. If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor? Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not? Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel? We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.[/p][/quote]If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.[/p][/quote]Why wouldn't it stop the oppression? I'm sure Israel will argue all the oppressive points that you mention have been carried out in response to attempts to destroy Israel. So stop trying to destroy Israel and the oppressive defensive actions of Israel stop? A bit like the Nazis stopping/losing the war, the oppressive actions of the UK, USA etc... stopped. Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?[/p][/quote]The annexing of Palestine and putting settlers on this land is not a response to destroy Israel.[/p][/quote]So I repeat - Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?[/p][/quote]Because even with a ceasefire Is real have said they will not remove the blockade they will not stop creating settlements on the West Bank[/p][/quote]They said they would not remove the blockade whilst Hamas is still in power. So again why don't the majority stand side by side with Israel? Look at Ireland, all that is needed us a desire from the people and strong leadership. So why don't the worlds Muslims stand up and support Israels right to exist, therefore bringing about a resolution? Israel accept and welcome a two state solution, why won't the Arabs do the same?[/p][/quote]I think you'll find that Israel dont want a two state solution, they refused. Widen your horizons , stop reading BBC and the Daily Mail.[/p][/quote]You are wrong, stop believing everything you see on al-Jezzeera. It is a documented fact of history that in 2007 at the Annapolis Conference the PLO, Israel, and The USA agreed on a two-state solution as the outline for negotiations. Hamas did and still does not recognise a two state solution.[/p][/quote]Mr "know it all" what do you make of the illegal settlements in the occupied West bank (supported by the Rabbis and by the Israeli Govnmt)?[/p][/quote]I don't pretend know it all, I just know that your statement was wrong so I offered facts to back up my statement. In response to your question, I believe they are illegal according to UN resolutions and international law and they should be removed immediately. That doesn't mean that Israel has no right to exist, it means that they have no right to the current settlements in the West Bank according to current international law. hoppyhol
  • Score: -27

2:48pm Wed 23 Jul 14

hoppyhol says...

johnnyjackson wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
Uncle Harry wrote:
Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting.

looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.
There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad.

If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor?

Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not?

Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel?

We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.
If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.
Why wouldn't it stop the oppression?

I'm sure Israel will argue all the oppressive points that you mention have been carried out in response to attempts to destroy Israel. So stop trying to destroy Israel and the oppressive defensive actions of Israel stop? A bit like the Nazis stopping/losing the war, the oppressive actions of the UK, USA etc... stopped.

Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?
The annexing of Palestine and putting settlers on this land is not a response to destroy Israel.
So I repeat - Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?
Because even with a ceasefire Is real have said they will not remove the blockade they will not stop creating settlements on the West Bank
They said they would not remove the blockade whilst Hamas is still in power. So again why don't the majority stand side by side with Israel? Look at Ireland, all that is needed us a desire from the people and strong leadership. So why don't the worlds Muslims stand up and support Israels right to exist, therefore bringing about a resolution? Israel accept and welcome a two state solution, why won't the Arabs do the same?
Its very easy to be so objective from the outside but if your home was invaded would you concede to let the invaders have the kitchen,bathroom, master bedroom, living room while you have the back bedroom and the shed. And even then you can only have the back bedroom on your invaders conditions and if anyone comes to visit then its tough you've just got the shed that is until the invaders want to build an extension.

I know this is an oversimplified analogy.

If there was a ceasefire and a two state arrangement would Israel reduce its borders to the size of its original foundation in 1947 giving back the Palestinian land it has annexed since then including Jerusalem I think not.
Don't get me wrong I'm not condoning the actions of Hamas I think a ceasefire is needed. Hamas's actions are futile anyway against the military power of Israel like flicking baked beans at a charging bull. But Israel needs to make a lot of concessions as for giving land back that will result in a whole new set of homeless people but restitutions needs to be made by Israel to those it has forcibly and illegally evicted. Also those guilty of war crimes on both sides need to be brought to justice and example made of them.
I agree, however it must be difficult to give back land when the land is highly likely to be used a spring board for attack. And then once land has been handed back, will that be enough?

All very silly in the great scheme of life.

Its land, plenty of room for everybody, just live and let live :-)
Try telling that to the Israelis.
Again, they recognise the right of Palestine to exist, so what is it I am telling them?
[quote][p][bold]johnnyjackson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Uncle Harry[/bold] wrote: Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting. looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.[/p][/quote]There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad. If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor? Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not? Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel? We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.[/p][/quote]If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.[/p][/quote]Why wouldn't it stop the oppression? I'm sure Israel will argue all the oppressive points that you mention have been carried out in response to attempts to destroy Israel. So stop trying to destroy Israel and the oppressive defensive actions of Israel stop? A bit like the Nazis stopping/losing the war, the oppressive actions of the UK, USA etc... stopped. Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?[/p][/quote]The annexing of Palestine and putting settlers on this land is not a response to destroy Israel.[/p][/quote]So I repeat - Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?[/p][/quote]Because even with a ceasefire Is real have said they will not remove the blockade they will not stop creating settlements on the West Bank[/p][/quote]They said they would not remove the blockade whilst Hamas is still in power. So again why don't the majority stand side by side with Israel? Look at Ireland, all that is needed us a desire from the people and strong leadership. So why don't the worlds Muslims stand up and support Israels right to exist, therefore bringing about a resolution? Israel accept and welcome a two state solution, why won't the Arabs do the same?[/p][/quote]Its very easy to be so objective from the outside but if your home was invaded would you concede to let the invaders have the kitchen,bathroom, master bedroom, living room while you have the back bedroom and the shed. And even then you can only have the back bedroom on your invaders conditions and if anyone comes to visit then its tough you've just got the shed that is until the invaders want to build an extension. I know this is an oversimplified analogy. If there was a ceasefire and a two state arrangement would Israel reduce its borders to the size of its original foundation in 1947 giving back the Palestinian land it has annexed since then including Jerusalem I think not.[/p][/quote]Don't get me wrong I'm not condoning the actions of Hamas I think a ceasefire is needed. Hamas's actions are futile anyway against the military power of Israel like flicking baked beans at a charging bull. But Israel needs to make a lot of concessions as for giving land back that will result in a whole new set of homeless people but restitutions needs to be made by Israel to those it has forcibly and illegally evicted. Also those guilty of war crimes on both sides need to be brought to justice and example made of them.[/p][/quote]I agree, however it must be difficult to give back land when the land is highly likely to be used a spring board for attack. And then once land has been handed back, will that be enough? All very silly in the great scheme of life. Its land, plenty of room for everybody, just live and let live :-)[/p][/quote]Try telling that to the Israelis.[/p][/quote]Again, they recognise the right of Palestine to exist, so what is it I am telling them? hoppyhol
  • Score: -2

2:53pm Wed 23 Jul 14

johnnyjackson says...

hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
Uncle Harry wrote:
Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting.

looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.
There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad.

If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor?

Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not?

Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel?

We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.
If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.
Why wouldn't it stop the oppression?

I'm sure Israel will argue all the oppressive points that you mention have been carried out in response to attempts to destroy Israel. So stop trying to destroy Israel and the oppressive defensive actions of Israel stop? A bit like the Nazis stopping/losing the war, the oppressive actions of the UK, USA etc... stopped.

Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?
The annexing of Palestine and putting settlers on this land is not a response to destroy Israel.
So I repeat - Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?
Because even with a ceasefire Is real have said they will not remove the blockade they will not stop creating settlements on the West Bank
They said they would not remove the blockade whilst Hamas is still in power. So again why don't the majority stand side by side with Israel? Look at Ireland, all that is needed us a desire from the people and strong leadership. So why don't the worlds Muslims stand up and support Israels right to exist, therefore bringing about a resolution? Israel accept and welcome a two state solution, why won't the Arabs do the same?
Its very easy to be so objective from the outside but if your home was invaded would you concede to let the invaders have the kitchen,bathroom, master bedroom, living room while you have the back bedroom and the shed. And even then you can only have the back bedroom on your invaders conditions and if anyone comes to visit then its tough you've just got the shed that is until the invaders want to build an extension.

I know this is an oversimplified analogy.

If there was a ceasefire and a two state arrangement would Israel reduce its borders to the size of its original foundation in 1947 giving back the Palestinian land it has annexed since then including Jerusalem I think not.
Some would say that our land is constantly invaded due to our immigration policy. Yet we still manage to live in peace.

The land of the Jews pre-dates the formation of Islam by at least 1,200 years, so should they expand their borders back to that point in time? My point is its all land, they are all humans, why not just live tolerantly side by side, unless of course one side wants to further its ideology by brutal suppression and the refusal to acknowledge the right of another religion to exist?
Comparing the situation to our immigration policy is ridiculous immigrants don't come over and forcibly evict you from your home with guns and bulldozers you aren't then governed by immigrants and treated as a second class citizen.
That's a matter of opinion.....

It was a tongue in cheek comment in response to your 'oversimplified' analogy.

I'm sure another simple analogy could be, this was our homeland 1,200 years before the formation of your religion, so can we have it back please?

Again, no 'side' is innocent, however one side accepts a two state solution one doesn't. Until the majority of Palestinians and in a wider context muslims worldwide accept a two state solution this will go on and on. So in the name of a peaceful tolerant religion surely they can all stand up and say enough?
Prove it was their land 200000000 years ago.

I think you'll find the Israelis dont want a 2 state solution.

They have stolen the palestinians land, they tell them what to do, where to go, who can enter their holy mosque and then they want a 2 state solution based on their conditions, i.e. we are the masters and own most of the land, you are the slave and you can have a little bit of land. We will also build on your land and evict you further.

Just like the ceasefire in Gaza, it has to based on the Israelis terms, i.e. we have destroyed half your land and now we want to go back to enslaving you and prisoning you.
[quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Uncle Harry[/bold] wrote: Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting. looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.[/p][/quote]There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad. If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor? Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not? Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel? We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.[/p][/quote]If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.[/p][/quote]Why wouldn't it stop the oppression? I'm sure Israel will argue all the oppressive points that you mention have been carried out in response to attempts to destroy Israel. So stop trying to destroy Israel and the oppressive defensive actions of Israel stop? A bit like the Nazis stopping/losing the war, the oppressive actions of the UK, USA etc... stopped. Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?[/p][/quote]The annexing of Palestine and putting settlers on this land is not a response to destroy Israel.[/p][/quote]So I repeat - Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?[/p][/quote]Because even with a ceasefire Is real have said they will not remove the blockade they will not stop creating settlements on the West Bank[/p][/quote]They said they would not remove the blockade whilst Hamas is still in power. So again why don't the majority stand side by side with Israel? Look at Ireland, all that is needed us a desire from the people and strong leadership. So why don't the worlds Muslims stand up and support Israels right to exist, therefore bringing about a resolution? Israel accept and welcome a two state solution, why won't the Arabs do the same?[/p][/quote]Its very easy to be so objective from the outside but if your home was invaded would you concede to let the invaders have the kitchen,bathroom, master bedroom, living room while you have the back bedroom and the shed. And even then you can only have the back bedroom on your invaders conditions and if anyone comes to visit then its tough you've just got the shed that is until the invaders want to build an extension. I know this is an oversimplified analogy. If there was a ceasefire and a two state arrangement would Israel reduce its borders to the size of its original foundation in 1947 giving back the Palestinian land it has annexed since then including Jerusalem I think not.[/p][/quote]Some would say that our land is constantly invaded due to our immigration policy. Yet we still manage to live in peace. The land of the Jews pre-dates the formation of Islam by at least 1,200 years, so should they expand their borders back to that point in time? My point is its all land, they are all humans, why not just live tolerantly side by side, unless of course one side wants to further its ideology by brutal suppression and the refusal to acknowledge the right of another religion to exist?[/p][/quote]Comparing the situation to our immigration policy is ridiculous immigrants don't come over and forcibly evict you from your home with guns and bulldozers you aren't then governed by immigrants and treated as a second class citizen.[/p][/quote]That's a matter of opinion..... It was a tongue in cheek comment in response to your 'oversimplified' analogy. I'm sure another simple analogy could be, this was our homeland 1,200 years before the formation of your religion, so can we have it back please? Again, no 'side' is innocent, however one side accepts a two state solution one doesn't. Until the majority of Palestinians and in a wider context muslims worldwide accept a two state solution this will go on and on. So in the name of a peaceful tolerant religion surely they can all stand up and say enough?[/p][/quote]Prove it was their land 200000000 years ago. I think you'll find the Israelis dont want a 2 state solution. They have stolen the palestinians land, they tell them what to do, where to go, who can enter their holy mosque and then they want a 2 state solution based on their conditions, i.e. we are the masters and own most of the land, you are the slave and you can have a little bit of land. We will also build on your land and evict you further. Just like the ceasefire in Gaza, it has to based on the Israelis terms, i.e. we have destroyed half your land and now we want to go back to enslaving you and prisoning you. johnnyjackson
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3:16pm Wed 23 Jul 14

johnnyjackson says...

hoppyhol wrote:
johnnyjackson wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
Uncle Harry wrote:
Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting.

looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.
There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad.

If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor?

Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not?

Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel?

We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.
If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.
Why wouldn't it stop the oppression?

I'm sure Israel will argue all the oppressive points that you mention have been carried out in response to attempts to destroy Israel. So stop trying to destroy Israel and the oppressive defensive actions of Israel stop? A bit like the Nazis stopping/losing the war, the oppressive actions of the UK, USA etc... stopped.

Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?
The annexing of Palestine and putting settlers on this land is not a response to destroy Israel.
So I repeat - Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?
Because even with a ceasefire Is real have said they will not remove the blockade they will not stop creating settlements on the West Bank
They said they would not remove the blockade whilst Hamas is still in power. So again why don't the majority stand side by side with Israel? Look at Ireland, all that is needed us a desire from the people and strong leadership. So why don't the worlds Muslims stand up and support Israels right to exist, therefore bringing about a resolution? Israel accept and welcome a two state solution, why won't the Arabs do the same?
Its very easy to be so objective from the outside but if your home was invaded would you concede to let the invaders have the kitchen,bathroom, master bedroom, living room while you have the back bedroom and the shed. And even then you can only have the back bedroom on your invaders conditions and if anyone comes to visit then its tough you've just got the shed that is until the invaders want to build an extension.

I know this is an oversimplified analogy.

If there was a ceasefire and a two state arrangement would Israel reduce its borders to the size of its original foundation in 1947 giving back the Palestinian land it has annexed since then including Jerusalem I think not.
Don't get me wrong I'm not condoning the actions of Hamas I think a ceasefire is needed. Hamas's actions are futile anyway against the military power of Israel like flicking baked beans at a charging bull. But Israel needs to make a lot of concessions as for giving land back that will result in a whole new set of homeless people but restitutions needs to be made by Israel to those it has forcibly and illegally evicted. Also those guilty of war crimes on both sides need to be brought to justice and example made of them.
I agree, however it must be difficult to give back land when the land is highly likely to be used a spring board for attack. And then once land has been handed back, will that be enough?

All very silly in the great scheme of life.

Its land, plenty of room for everybody, just live and let live :-)
Try telling that to the Israelis.
Again, they recognise the right of Palestine to exist, so what is it I am telling them?
How do they recognise the rights of Palestinians to exist?

They arrest the Palestinians if they comment on Facebook. They bulldoze their houses and murder their families. They stop the palestinians at every check point. Stop them from exiting the country. They enslave them. Build illegal settlements.

Is that what you mean by a right to exist?
[quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnnyjackson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Uncle Harry[/bold] wrote: Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting. looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.[/p][/quote]There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad. If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor? Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not? Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel? We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.[/p][/quote]If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.[/p][/quote]Why wouldn't it stop the oppression? I'm sure Israel will argue all the oppressive points that you mention have been carried out in response to attempts to destroy Israel. So stop trying to destroy Israel and the oppressive defensive actions of Israel stop? A bit like the Nazis stopping/losing the war, the oppressive actions of the UK, USA etc... stopped. Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?[/p][/quote]The annexing of Palestine and putting settlers on this land is not a response to destroy Israel.[/p][/quote]So I repeat - Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?[/p][/quote]Because even with a ceasefire Is real have said they will not remove the blockade they will not stop creating settlements on the West Bank[/p][/quote]They said they would not remove the blockade whilst Hamas is still in power. So again why don't the majority stand side by side with Israel? Look at Ireland, all that is needed us a desire from the people and strong leadership. So why don't the worlds Muslims stand up and support Israels right to exist, therefore bringing about a resolution? Israel accept and welcome a two state solution, why won't the Arabs do the same?[/p][/quote]Its very easy to be so objective from the outside but if your home was invaded would you concede to let the invaders have the kitchen,bathroom, master bedroom, living room while you have the back bedroom and the shed. And even then you can only have the back bedroom on your invaders conditions and if anyone comes to visit then its tough you've just got the shed that is until the invaders want to build an extension. I know this is an oversimplified analogy. If there was a ceasefire and a two state arrangement would Israel reduce its borders to the size of its original foundation in 1947 giving back the Palestinian land it has annexed since then including Jerusalem I think not.[/p][/quote]Don't get me wrong I'm not condoning the actions of Hamas I think a ceasefire is needed. Hamas's actions are futile anyway against the military power of Israel like flicking baked beans at a charging bull. But Israel needs to make a lot of concessions as for giving land back that will result in a whole new set of homeless people but restitutions needs to be made by Israel to those it has forcibly and illegally evicted. Also those guilty of war crimes on both sides need to be brought to justice and example made of them.[/p][/quote]I agree, however it must be difficult to give back land when the land is highly likely to be used a spring board for attack. And then once land has been handed back, will that be enough? All very silly in the great scheme of life. Its land, plenty of room for everybody, just live and let live :-)[/p][/quote]Try telling that to the Israelis.[/p][/quote]Again, they recognise the right of Palestine to exist, so what is it I am telling them?[/p][/quote]How do they recognise the rights of Palestinians to exist? They arrest the Palestinians if they comment on Facebook. They bulldoze their houses and murder their families. They stop the palestinians at every check point. Stop them from exiting the country. They enslave them. Build illegal settlements. Is that what you mean by a right to exist? johnnyjackson
  • Score: 4

3:20pm Wed 23 Jul 14

hoppyhol says...

johnnyjackson wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
Uncle Harry wrote:
Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting.

looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.
There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad.

If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor?

Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not?

Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel?

We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.
If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.
Why wouldn't it stop the oppression?

I'm sure Israel will argue all the oppressive points that you mention have been carried out in response to attempts to destroy Israel. So stop trying to destroy Israel and the oppressive defensive actions of Israel stop? A bit like the Nazis stopping/losing the war, the oppressive actions of the UK, USA etc... stopped.

Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?
The annexing of Palestine and putting settlers on this land is not a response to destroy Israel.
So I repeat - Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?
Because even with a ceasefire Is real have said they will not remove the blockade they will not stop creating settlements on the West Bank
They said they would not remove the blockade whilst Hamas is still in power. So again why don't the majority stand side by side with Israel? Look at Ireland, all that is needed us a desire from the people and strong leadership. So why don't the worlds Muslims stand up and support Israels right to exist, therefore bringing about a resolution? Israel accept and welcome a two state solution, why won't the Arabs do the same?
Its very easy to be so objective from the outside but if your home was invaded would you concede to let the invaders have the kitchen,bathroom, master bedroom, living room while you have the back bedroom and the shed. And even then you can only have the back bedroom on your invaders conditions and if anyone comes to visit then its tough you've just got the shed that is until the invaders want to build an extension.

I know this is an oversimplified analogy.

If there was a ceasefire and a two state arrangement would Israel reduce its borders to the size of its original foundation in 1947 giving back the Palestinian land it has annexed since then including Jerusalem I think not.
Some would say that our land is constantly invaded due to our immigration policy. Yet we still manage to live in peace.

The land of the Jews pre-dates the formation of Islam by at least 1,200 years, so should they expand their borders back to that point in time? My point is its all land, they are all humans, why not just live tolerantly side by side, unless of course one side wants to further its ideology by brutal suppression and the refusal to acknowledge the right of another religion to exist?
Comparing the situation to our immigration policy is ridiculous immigrants don't come over and forcibly evict you from your home with guns and bulldozers you aren't then governed by immigrants and treated as a second class citizen.
That's a matter of opinion.....

It was a tongue in cheek comment in response to your 'oversimplified' analogy.

I'm sure another simple analogy could be, this was our homeland 1,200 years before the formation of your religion, so can we have it back please?

Again, no 'side' is innocent, however one side accepts a two state solution one doesn't. Until the majority of Palestinians and in a wider context muslims worldwide accept a two state solution this will go on and on. So in the name of a peaceful tolerant religion surely they can all stand up and say enough?
Prove it was their land 200000000 years ago.

I think you'll find the Israelis dont want a 2 state solution.

They have stolen the palestinians land, they tell them what to do, where to go, who can enter their holy mosque and then they want a 2 state solution based on their conditions, i.e. we are the masters and own most of the land, you are the slave and you can have a little bit of land. We will also build on your land and evict you further.

Just like the ceasefire in Gaza, it has to based on the Israelis terms, i.e. we have destroyed half your land and now we want to go back to enslaving you and prisoning you.
""Prove it was their land 200000000 years ago. I think you'll find the Israelis dont want a 2 state solution. They have stolen the palestinians land, they tell them what to do, where to go, who can enter their holy mosque and then they want a 2 state solution based on their conditions, i.e. we are the masters and own most of the land, you are the slave and you can have a little bit of land. We will also build on your land and evict you further. Just like the ceasefire in Gaza, it has to based on the Israelis terms, i.e. we have destroyed half your land and now we want to go back to enslaving you and prisoning you.""

Prove it was theirs? Are you being serious?

Ok, just to help you out a little, both The Bible and The Quran, yes the Quaran both mention the Jews living in Israel. Hope that clears that up for you.

I thought we had just cleared up the two state scenario and who wants it and who doesn't? Hamas haven't even entered into negotiations so how do you know what the terms are?
[quote][p][bold]johnnyjackson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Uncle Harry[/bold] wrote: Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting. looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.[/p][/quote]There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad. If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor? Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not? Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel? We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.[/p][/quote]If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.[/p][/quote]Why wouldn't it stop the oppression? I'm sure Israel will argue all the oppressive points that you mention have been carried out in response to attempts to destroy Israel. So stop trying to destroy Israel and the oppressive defensive actions of Israel stop? A bit like the Nazis stopping/losing the war, the oppressive actions of the UK, USA etc... stopped. Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?[/p][/quote]The annexing of Palestine and putting settlers on this land is not a response to destroy Israel.[/p][/quote]So I repeat - Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?[/p][/quote]Because even with a ceasefire Is real have said they will not remove the blockade they will not stop creating settlements on the West Bank[/p][/quote]They said they would not remove the blockade whilst Hamas is still in power. So again why don't the majority stand side by side with Israel? Look at Ireland, all that is needed us a desire from the people and strong leadership. So why don't the worlds Muslims stand up and support Israels right to exist, therefore bringing about a resolution? Israel accept and welcome a two state solution, why won't the Arabs do the same?[/p][/quote]Its very easy to be so objective from the outside but if your home was invaded would you concede to let the invaders have the kitchen,bathroom, master bedroom, living room while you have the back bedroom and the shed. And even then you can only have the back bedroom on your invaders conditions and if anyone comes to visit then its tough you've just got the shed that is until the invaders want to build an extension. I know this is an oversimplified analogy. If there was a ceasefire and a two state arrangement would Israel reduce its borders to the size of its original foundation in 1947 giving back the Palestinian land it has annexed since then including Jerusalem I think not.[/p][/quote]Some would say that our land is constantly invaded due to our immigration policy. Yet we still manage to live in peace. The land of the Jews pre-dates the formation of Islam by at least 1,200 years, so should they expand their borders back to that point in time? My point is its all land, they are all humans, why not just live tolerantly side by side, unless of course one side wants to further its ideology by brutal suppression and the refusal to acknowledge the right of another religion to exist?[/p][/quote]Comparing the situation to our immigration policy is ridiculous immigrants don't come over and forcibly evict you from your home with guns and bulldozers you aren't then governed by immigrants and treated as a second class citizen.[/p][/quote]That's a matter of opinion..... It was a tongue in cheek comment in response to your 'oversimplified' analogy. I'm sure another simple analogy could be, this was our homeland 1,200 years before the formation of your religion, so can we have it back please? Again, no 'side' is innocent, however one side accepts a two state solution one doesn't. Until the majority of Palestinians and in a wider context muslims worldwide accept a two state solution this will go on and on. So in the name of a peaceful tolerant religion surely they can all stand up and say enough?[/p][/quote]Prove it was their land 200000000 years ago. I think you'll find the Israelis dont want a 2 state solution. They have stolen the palestinians land, they tell them what to do, where to go, who can enter their holy mosque and then they want a 2 state solution based on their conditions, i.e. we are the masters and own most of the land, you are the slave and you can have a little bit of land. We will also build on your land and evict you further. Just like the ceasefire in Gaza, it has to based on the Israelis terms, i.e. we have destroyed half your land and now we want to go back to enslaving you and prisoning you.[/p][/quote]""Prove it was their land 200000000 years ago. I think you'll find the Israelis dont want a 2 state solution. They have stolen the palestinians land, they tell them what to do, where to go, who can enter their holy mosque and then they want a 2 state solution based on their conditions, i.e. we are the masters and own most of the land, you are the slave and you can have a little bit of land. We will also build on your land and evict you further. Just like the ceasefire in Gaza, it has to based on the Israelis terms, i.e. we have destroyed half your land and now we want to go back to enslaving you and prisoning you."" Prove it was theirs? Are you being serious? Ok, just to help you out a little, both The Bible and The Quran, yes the Quaran both mention the Jews living in Israel. Hope that clears that up for you. I thought we had just cleared up the two state scenario and who wants it and who doesn't? Hamas haven't even entered into negotiations so how do you know what the terms are? hoppyhol
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3:25pm Wed 23 Jul 14

hoppyhol says...

johnnyjackson wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
johnnyjackson wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
Uncle Harry wrote:
Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting.

looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.
There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad.

If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor?

Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not?

Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel?

We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.
If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.
Why wouldn't it stop the oppression?

I'm sure Israel will argue all the oppressive points that you mention have been carried out in response to attempts to destroy Israel. So stop trying to destroy Israel and the oppressive defensive actions of Israel stop? A bit like the Nazis stopping/losing the war, the oppressive actions of the UK, USA etc... stopped.

Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?
The annexing of Palestine and putting settlers on this land is not a response to destroy Israel.
So I repeat - Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?
Because even with a ceasefire Is real have said they will not remove the blockade they will not stop creating settlements on the West Bank
They said they would not remove the blockade whilst Hamas is still in power. So again why don't the majority stand side by side with Israel? Look at Ireland, all that is needed us a desire from the people and strong leadership. So why don't the worlds Muslims stand up and support Israels right to exist, therefore bringing about a resolution? Israel accept and welcome a two state solution, why won't the Arabs do the same?
Its very easy to be so objective from the outside but if your home was invaded would you concede to let the invaders have the kitchen,bathroom, master bedroom, living room while you have the back bedroom and the shed. And even then you can only have the back bedroom on your invaders conditions and if anyone comes to visit then its tough you've just got the shed that is until the invaders want to build an extension.

I know this is an oversimplified analogy.

If there was a ceasefire and a two state arrangement would Israel reduce its borders to the size of its original foundation in 1947 giving back the Palestinian land it has annexed since then including Jerusalem I think not.
Don't get me wrong I'm not condoning the actions of Hamas I think a ceasefire is needed. Hamas's actions are futile anyway against the military power of Israel like flicking baked beans at a charging bull. But Israel needs to make a lot of concessions as for giving land back that will result in a whole new set of homeless people but restitutions needs to be made by Israel to those it has forcibly and illegally evicted. Also those guilty of war crimes on both sides need to be brought to justice and example made of them.
I agree, however it must be difficult to give back land when the land is highly likely to be used a spring board for attack. And then once land has been handed back, will that be enough?

All very silly in the great scheme of life.

Its land, plenty of room for everybody, just live and let live :-)
Try telling that to the Israelis.
Again, they recognise the right of Palestine to exist, so what is it I am telling them?
How do they recognise the rights of Palestinians to exist?

They arrest the Palestinians if they comment on Facebook. They bulldoze their houses and murder their families. They stop the palestinians at every check point. Stop them from exiting the country. They enslave them. Build illegal settlements.

Is that what you mean by a right to exist?
"How do they recognise the rights of Palestinians to exist? "

By recognising a two state solution!

They have rigorous entry and exit procedures due to the security threat. As part of the UN they are likely entitled to protect their state.
[quote][p][bold]johnnyjackson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnnyjackson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Uncle Harry[/bold] wrote: Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting. looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.[/p][/quote]There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad. If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor? Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not? Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel? We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.[/p][/quote]If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.[/p][/quote]Why wouldn't it stop the oppression? I'm sure Israel will argue all the oppressive points that you mention have been carried out in response to attempts to destroy Israel. So stop trying to destroy Israel and the oppressive defensive actions of Israel stop? A bit like the Nazis stopping/losing the war, the oppressive actions of the UK, USA etc... stopped. Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?[/p][/quote]The annexing of Palestine and putting settlers on this land is not a response to destroy Israel.[/p][/quote]So I repeat - Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?[/p][/quote]Because even with a ceasefire Is real have said they will not remove the blockade they will not stop creating settlements on the West Bank[/p][/quote]They said they would not remove the blockade whilst Hamas is still in power. So again why don't the majority stand side by side with Israel? Look at Ireland, all that is needed us a desire from the people and strong leadership. So why don't the worlds Muslims stand up and support Israels right to exist, therefore bringing about a resolution? Israel accept and welcome a two state solution, why won't the Arabs do the same?[/p][/quote]Its very easy to be so objective from the outside but if your home was invaded would you concede to let the invaders have the kitchen,bathroom, master bedroom, living room while you have the back bedroom and the shed. And even then you can only have the back bedroom on your invaders conditions and if anyone comes to visit then its tough you've just got the shed that is until the invaders want to build an extension. I know this is an oversimplified analogy. If there was a ceasefire and a two state arrangement would Israel reduce its borders to the size of its original foundation in 1947 giving back the Palestinian land it has annexed since then including Jerusalem I think not.[/p][/quote]Don't get me wrong I'm not condoning the actions of Hamas I think a ceasefire is needed. Hamas's actions are futile anyway against the military power of Israel like flicking baked beans at a charging bull. But Israel needs to make a lot of concessions as for giving land back that will result in a whole new set of homeless people but restitutions needs to be made by Israel to those it has forcibly and illegally evicted. Also those guilty of war crimes on both sides need to be brought to justice and example made of them.[/p][/quote]I agree, however it must be difficult to give back land when the land is highly likely to be used a spring board for attack. And then once land has been handed back, will that be enough? All very silly in the great scheme of life. Its land, plenty of room for everybody, just live and let live :-)[/p][/quote]Try telling that to the Israelis.[/p][/quote]Again, they recognise the right of Palestine to exist, so what is it I am telling them?[/p][/quote]How do they recognise the rights of Palestinians to exist? They arrest the Palestinians if they comment on Facebook. They bulldoze their houses and murder their families. They stop the palestinians at every check point. Stop them from exiting the country. They enslave them. Build illegal settlements. Is that what you mean by a right to exist?[/p][/quote]"How do they recognise the rights of Palestinians to exist? " By recognising a two state solution! They have rigorous entry and exit procedures due to the security threat. As part of the UN they are likely entitled to protect their state. hoppyhol
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3:31pm Wed 23 Jul 14

johnnyjackson says...

hoppyhol wrote:
johnnyjackson wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
johnnyjackson wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
Uncle Harry wrote:
Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting.

looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.
There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad.

If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor?

Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not?

Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel?

We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.
If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.
Why wouldn't it stop the oppression?

I'm sure Israel will argue all the oppressive points that you mention have been carried out in response to attempts to destroy Israel. So stop trying to destroy Israel and the oppressive defensive actions of Israel stop? A bit like the Nazis stopping/losing the war, the oppressive actions of the UK, USA etc... stopped.

Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?
The annexing of Palestine and putting settlers on this land is not a response to destroy Israel.
So I repeat - Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?
Because even with a ceasefire Is real have said they will not remove the blockade they will not stop creating settlements on the West Bank
They said they would not remove the blockade whilst Hamas is still in power. So again why don't the majority stand side by side with Israel? Look at Ireland, all that is needed us a desire from the people and strong leadership. So why don't the worlds Muslims stand up and support Israels right to exist, therefore bringing about a resolution? Israel accept and welcome a two state solution, why won't the Arabs do the same?
Its very easy to be so objective from the outside but if your home was invaded would you concede to let the invaders have the kitchen,bathroom, master bedroom, living room while you have the back bedroom and the shed. And even then you can only have the back bedroom on your invaders conditions and if anyone comes to visit then its tough you've just got the shed that is until the invaders want to build an extension.

I know this is an oversimplified analogy.

If there was a ceasefire and a two state arrangement would Israel reduce its borders to the size of its original foundation in 1947 giving back the Palestinian land it has annexed since then including Jerusalem I think not.
Don't get me wrong I'm not condoning the actions of Hamas I think a ceasefire is needed. Hamas's actions are futile anyway against the military power of Israel like flicking baked beans at a charging bull. But Israel needs to make a lot of concessions as for giving land back that will result in a whole new set of homeless people but restitutions needs to be made by Israel to those it has forcibly and illegally evicted. Also those guilty of war crimes on both sides need to be brought to justice and example made of them.
I agree, however it must be difficult to give back land when the land is highly likely to be used a spring board for attack. And then once land has been handed back, will that be enough?

All very silly in the great scheme of life.

Its land, plenty of room for everybody, just live and let live :-)
Try telling that to the Israelis.
Again, they recognise the right of Palestine to exist, so what is it I am telling them?
How do they recognise the rights of Palestinians to exist?

They arrest the Palestinians if they comment on Facebook. They bulldoze their houses and murder their families. They stop the palestinians at every check point. Stop them from exiting the country. They enslave them. Build illegal settlements.

Is that what you mean by a right to exist?
"How do they recognise the rights of Palestinians to exist? "

By recognising a two state solution!

They have rigorous entry and exit procedures due to the security threat. As part of the UN they are likely entitled to protect their state.
Just like as part of the UN they can use Phosporous gas to bomb the Palestinians.
[quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnnyjackson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnnyjackson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Uncle Harry[/bold] wrote: Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting. looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.[/p][/quote]There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad. If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor? Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not? Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel? We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.[/p][/quote]If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.[/p][/quote]Why wouldn't it stop the oppression? I'm sure Israel will argue all the oppressive points that you mention have been carried out in response to attempts to destroy Israel. So stop trying to destroy Israel and the oppressive defensive actions of Israel stop? A bit like the Nazis stopping/losing the war, the oppressive actions of the UK, USA etc... stopped. Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?[/p][/quote]The annexing of Palestine and putting settlers on this land is not a response to destroy Israel.[/p][/quote]So I repeat - Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?[/p][/quote]Because even with a ceasefire Is real have said they will not remove the blockade they will not stop creating settlements on the West Bank[/p][/quote]They said they would not remove the blockade whilst Hamas is still in power. So again why don't the majority stand side by side with Israel? Look at Ireland, all that is needed us a desire from the people and strong leadership. So why don't the worlds Muslims stand up and support Israels right to exist, therefore bringing about a resolution? Israel accept and welcome a two state solution, why won't the Arabs do the same?[/p][/quote]Its very easy to be so objective from the outside but if your home was invaded would you concede to let the invaders have the kitchen,bathroom, master bedroom, living room while you have the back bedroom and the shed. And even then you can only have the back bedroom on your invaders conditions and if anyone comes to visit then its tough you've just got the shed that is until the invaders want to build an extension. I know this is an oversimplified analogy. If there was a ceasefire and a two state arrangement would Israel reduce its borders to the size of its original foundation in 1947 giving back the Palestinian land it has annexed since then including Jerusalem I think not.[/p][/quote]Don't get me wrong I'm not condoning the actions of Hamas I think a ceasefire is needed. Hamas's actions are futile anyway against the military power of Israel like flicking baked beans at a charging bull. But Israel needs to make a lot of concessions as for giving land back that will result in a whole new set of homeless people but restitutions needs to be made by Israel to those it has forcibly and illegally evicted. Also those guilty of war crimes on both sides need to be brought to justice and example made of them.[/p][/quote]I agree, however it must be difficult to give back land when the land is highly likely to be used a spring board for attack. And then once land has been handed back, will that be enough? All very silly in the great scheme of life. Its land, plenty of room for everybody, just live and let live :-)[/p][/quote]Try telling that to the Israelis.[/p][/quote]Again, they recognise the right of Palestine to exist, so what is it I am telling them?[/p][/quote]How do they recognise the rights of Palestinians to exist? They arrest the Palestinians if they comment on Facebook. They bulldoze their houses and murder their families. They stop the palestinians at every check point. Stop them from exiting the country. They enslave them. Build illegal settlements. Is that what you mean by a right to exist?[/p][/quote]"How do they recognise the rights of Palestinians to exist? " By recognising a two state solution! They have rigorous entry and exit procedures due to the security threat. As part of the UN they are likely entitled to protect their state.[/p][/quote]Just like as part of the UN they can use Phosporous gas to bomb the Palestinians. johnnyjackson
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3:33pm Wed 23 Jul 14

johnnyjackson says...

hoppyhol wrote:
johnnyjackson wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
Uncle Harry wrote:
Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting.

looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.
There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad.

If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor?

Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not?

Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel?

We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.
If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.
Why wouldn't it stop the oppression?

I'm sure Israel will argue all the oppressive points that you mention have been carried out in response to attempts to destroy Israel. So stop trying to destroy Israel and the oppressive defensive actions of Israel stop? A bit like the Nazis stopping/losing the war, the oppressive actions of the UK, USA etc... stopped.

Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?
The annexing of Palestine and putting settlers on this land is not a response to destroy Israel.
So I repeat - Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?
Because even with a ceasefire Is real have said they will not remove the blockade they will not stop creating settlements on the West Bank
They said they would not remove the blockade whilst Hamas is still in power. So again why don't the majority stand side by side with Israel? Look at Ireland, all that is needed us a desire from the people and strong leadership. So why don't the worlds Muslims stand up and support Israels right to exist, therefore bringing about a resolution? Israel accept and welcome a two state solution, why won't the Arabs do the same?
Its very easy to be so objective from the outside but if your home was invaded would you concede to let the invaders have the kitchen,bathroom, master bedroom, living room while you have the back bedroom and the shed. And even then you can only have the back bedroom on your invaders conditions and if anyone comes to visit then its tough you've just got the shed that is until the invaders want to build an extension.

I know this is an oversimplified analogy.

If there was a ceasefire and a two state arrangement would Israel reduce its borders to the size of its original foundation in 1947 giving back the Palestinian land it has annexed since then including Jerusalem I think not.
Some would say that our land is constantly invaded due to our immigration policy. Yet we still manage to live in peace.

The land of the Jews pre-dates the formation of Islam by at least 1,200 years, so should they expand their borders back to that point in time? My point is its all land, they are all humans, why not just live tolerantly side by side, unless of course one side wants to further its ideology by brutal suppression and the refusal to acknowledge the right of another religion to exist?
Comparing the situation to our immigration policy is ridiculous immigrants don't come over and forcibly evict you from your home with guns and bulldozers you aren't then governed by immigrants and treated as a second class citizen.
That's a matter of opinion.....

It was a tongue in cheek comment in response to your 'oversimplified' analogy.

I'm sure another simple analogy could be, this was our homeland 1,200 years before the formation of your religion, so can we have it back please?

Again, no 'side' is innocent, however one side accepts a two state solution one doesn't. Until the majority of Palestinians and in a wider context muslims worldwide accept a two state solution this will go on and on. So in the name of a peaceful tolerant religion surely they can all stand up and say enough?
Prove it was their land 200000000 years ago.

I think you'll find the Israelis dont want a 2 state solution.

They have stolen the palestinians land, they tell them what to do, where to go, who can enter their holy mosque and then they want a 2 state solution based on their conditions, i.e. we are the masters and own most of the land, you are the slave and you can have a little bit of land. We will also build on your land and evict you further.

Just like the ceasefire in Gaza, it has to based on the Israelis terms, i.e. we have destroyed half your land and now we want to go back to enslaving you and prisoning you.
""Prove it was their land 200000000 years ago. I think you'll find the Israelis dont want a 2 state solution. They have stolen the palestinians land, they tell them what to do, where to go, who can enter their holy mosque and then they want a 2 state solution based on their conditions, i.e. we are the masters and own most of the land, you are the slave and you can have a little bit of land. We will also build on your land and evict you further. Just like the ceasefire in Gaza, it has to based on the Israelis terms, i.e. we have destroyed half your land and now we want to go back to enslaving you and prisoning you.""

Prove it was theirs? Are you being serious?

Ok, just to help you out a little, both The Bible and The Quran, yes the Quaran both mention the Jews living in Israel. Hope that clears that up for you.

I thought we had just cleared up the two state scenario and who wants it and who doesn't? Hamas haven't even entered into negotiations so how do you know what the terms are?
I think you'll find that Israel as land is never mentioned in the Quran. Isreal is a name given to a prophet and his progeny is known as the children of Israel.

I dont have a copy of the original Bible, as it has changed so much over the years its diffcult to keep count.
[quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnnyjackson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Uncle Harry[/bold] wrote: Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting. looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.[/p][/quote]There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad. If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor? Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not? Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel? We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.[/p][/quote]If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.[/p][/quote]Why wouldn't it stop the oppression? I'm sure Israel will argue all the oppressive points that you mention have been carried out in response to attempts to destroy Israel. So stop trying to destroy Israel and the oppressive defensive actions of Israel stop? A bit like the Nazis stopping/losing the war, the oppressive actions of the UK, USA etc... stopped. Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?[/p][/quote]The annexing of Palestine and putting settlers on this land is not a response to destroy Israel.[/p][/quote]So I repeat - Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?[/p][/quote]Because even with a ceasefire Is real have said they will not remove the blockade they will not stop creating settlements on the West Bank[/p][/quote]They said they would not remove the blockade whilst Hamas is still in power. So again why don't the majority stand side by side with Israel? Look at Ireland, all that is needed us a desire from the people and strong leadership. So why don't the worlds Muslims stand up and support Israels right to exist, therefore bringing about a resolution? Israel accept and welcome a two state solution, why won't the Arabs do the same?[/p][/quote]Its very easy to be so objective from the outside but if your home was invaded would you concede to let the invaders have the kitchen,bathroom, master bedroom, living room while you have the back bedroom and the shed. And even then you can only have the back bedroom on your invaders conditions and if anyone comes to visit then its tough you've just got the shed that is until the invaders want to build an extension. I know this is an oversimplified analogy. If there was a ceasefire and a two state arrangement would Israel reduce its borders to the size of its original foundation in 1947 giving back the Palestinian land it has annexed since then including Jerusalem I think not.[/p][/quote]Some would say that our land is constantly invaded due to our immigration policy. Yet we still manage to live in peace. The land of the Jews pre-dates the formation of Islam by at least 1,200 years, so should they expand their borders back to that point in time? My point is its all land, they are all humans, why not just live tolerantly side by side, unless of course one side wants to further its ideology by brutal suppression and the refusal to acknowledge the right of another religion to exist?[/p][/quote]Comparing the situation to our immigration policy is ridiculous immigrants don't come over and forcibly evict you from your home with guns and bulldozers you aren't then governed by immigrants and treated as a second class citizen.[/p][/quote]That's a matter of opinion..... It was a tongue in cheek comment in response to your 'oversimplified' analogy. I'm sure another simple analogy could be, this was our homeland 1,200 years before the formation of your religion, so can we have it back please? Again, no 'side' is innocent, however one side accepts a two state solution one doesn't. Until the majority of Palestinians and in a wider context muslims worldwide accept a two state solution this will go on and on. So in the name of a peaceful tolerant religion surely they can all stand up and say enough?[/p][/quote]Prove it was their land 200000000 years ago. I think you'll find the Israelis dont want a 2 state solution. They have stolen the palestinians land, they tell them what to do, where to go, who can enter their holy mosque and then they want a 2 state solution based on their conditions, i.e. we are the masters and own most of the land, you are the slave and you can have a little bit of land. We will also build on your land and evict you further. Just like the ceasefire in Gaza, it has to based on the Israelis terms, i.e. we have destroyed half your land and now we want to go back to enslaving you and prisoning you.[/p][/quote]""Prove it was their land 200000000 years ago. I think you'll find the Israelis dont want a 2 state solution. They have stolen the palestinians land, they tell them what to do, where to go, who can enter their holy mosque and then they want a 2 state solution based on their conditions, i.e. we are the masters and own most of the land, you are the slave and you can have a little bit of land. We will also build on your land and evict you further. Just like the ceasefire in Gaza, it has to based on the Israelis terms, i.e. we have destroyed half your land and now we want to go back to enslaving you and prisoning you."" Prove it was theirs? Are you being serious? Ok, just to help you out a little, both The Bible and The Quran, yes the Quaran both mention the Jews living in Israel. Hope that clears that up for you. I thought we had just cleared up the two state scenario and who wants it and who doesn't? Hamas haven't even entered into negotiations so how do you know what the terms are?[/p][/quote]I think you'll find that Israel as land is never mentioned in the Quran. Isreal is a name given to a prophet and his progeny is known as the children of Israel. I dont have a copy of the original Bible, as it has changed so much over the years its diffcult to keep count. johnnyjackson
  • Score: 6

3:34pm Wed 23 Jul 14

hoppyhol says...

""Do the Israelis and their puppets the Americans and UK recognise the democratically elected government known as Hamas?

Double standards from uneducated people like you.""

There is a difference between recognising a democratically elected terrorist organisation and recognising the right of a country to exist.

I've gone from being a 'Know it all' to uneducated.

You say Israel doesn't recognise a two state solution, then you tell me what Israels terms are for a two state solution. You ask me to prove Israel was Jewish land when its clearly stated in the very holy book that Hamas fight in the name of.

I've enjoyed our discussion but I think its time to bring it to an end.

Have a good day, god bless.
""Do the Israelis and their puppets the Americans and UK recognise the democratically elected government known as Hamas? Double standards from uneducated people like you."" There is a difference between recognising a democratically elected terrorist organisation and recognising the right of a country to exist. I've gone from being a 'Know it all' to uneducated. You say Israel doesn't recognise a two state solution, then you tell me what Israels terms are for a two state solution. You ask me to prove Israel was Jewish land when its clearly stated in the very holy book that Hamas fight in the name of. I've enjoyed our discussion but I think its time to bring it to an end. Have a good day, god bless. hoppyhol
  • Score: -4

3:35pm Wed 23 Jul 14

hoppyhol says...

johnnyjackson wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
johnnyjackson wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
Uncle Harry wrote:
Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting.

looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.
There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad.

If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor?

Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not?

Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel?

We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.
If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.
Why wouldn't it stop the oppression?

I'm sure Israel will argue all the oppressive points that you mention have been carried out in response to attempts to destroy Israel. So stop trying to destroy Israel and the oppressive defensive actions of Israel stop? A bit like the Nazis stopping/losing the war, the oppressive actions of the UK, USA etc... stopped.

Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?
The annexing of Palestine and putting settlers on this land is not a response to destroy Israel.
So I repeat - Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?
Because even with a ceasefire Is real have said they will not remove the blockade they will not stop creating settlements on the West Bank
They said they would not remove the blockade whilst Hamas is still in power. So again why don't the majority stand side by side with Israel? Look at Ireland, all that is needed us a desire from the people and strong leadership. So why don't the worlds Muslims stand up and support Israels right to exist, therefore bringing about a resolution? Israel accept and welcome a two state solution, why won't the Arabs do the same?
Its very easy to be so objective from the outside but if your home was invaded would you concede to let the invaders have the kitchen,bathroom, master bedroom, living room while you have the back bedroom and the shed. And even then you can only have the back bedroom on your invaders conditions and if anyone comes to visit then its tough you've just got the shed that is until the invaders want to build an extension.

I know this is an oversimplified analogy.

If there was a ceasefire and a two state arrangement would Israel reduce its borders to the size of its original foundation in 1947 giving back the Palestinian land it has annexed since then including Jerusalem I think not.
Some would say that our land is constantly invaded due to our immigration policy. Yet we still manage to live in peace.

The land of the Jews pre-dates the formation of Islam by at least 1,200 years, so should they expand their borders back to that point in time? My point is its all land, they are all humans, why not just live tolerantly side by side, unless of course one side wants to further its ideology by brutal suppression and the refusal to acknowledge the right of another religion to exist?
Comparing the situation to our immigration policy is ridiculous immigrants don't come over and forcibly evict you from your home with guns and bulldozers you aren't then governed by immigrants and treated as a second class citizen.
That's a matter of opinion.....

It was a tongue in cheek comment in response to your 'oversimplified' analogy.

I'm sure another simple analogy could be, this was our homeland 1,200 years before the formation of your religion, so can we have it back please?

Again, no 'side' is innocent, however one side accepts a two state solution one doesn't. Until the majority of Palestinians and in a wider context muslims worldwide accept a two state solution this will go on and on. So in the name of a peaceful tolerant religion surely they can all stand up and say enough?
Prove it was their land 200000000 years ago.

I think you'll find the Israelis dont want a 2 state solution.

They have stolen the palestinians land, they tell them what to do, where to go, who can enter their holy mosque and then they want a 2 state solution based on their conditions, i.e. we are the masters and own most of the land, you are the slave and you can have a little bit of land. We will also build on your land and evict you further.

Just like the ceasefire in Gaza, it has to based on the Israelis terms, i.e. we have destroyed half your land and now we want to go back to enslaving you and prisoning you.
""Prove it was their land 200000000 years ago. I think you'll find the Israelis dont want a 2 state solution. They have stolen the palestinians land, they tell them what to do, where to go, who can enter their holy mosque and then they want a 2 state solution based on their conditions, i.e. we are the masters and own most of the land, you are the slave and you can have a little bit of land. We will also build on your land and evict you further. Just like the ceasefire in Gaza, it has to based on the Israelis terms, i.e. we have destroyed half your land and now we want to go back to enslaving you and prisoning you.""

Prove it was theirs? Are you being serious?

Ok, just to help you out a little, both The Bible and The Quran, yes the Quaran both mention the Jews living in Israel. Hope that clears that up for you.

I thought we had just cleared up the two state scenario and who wants it and who doesn't? Hamas haven't even entered into negotiations so how do you know what the terms are?
I think you'll find that Israel as land is never mentioned in the Quran. Isreal is a name given to a prophet and his progeny is known as the children of Israel.

I dont have a copy of the original Bible, as it has changed so much over the years its diffcult to keep count.
chapter 17:100-104
[quote][p][bold]johnnyjackson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnnyjackson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Uncle Harry[/bold] wrote: Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting. looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.[/p][/quote]There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad. If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor? Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not? Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel? We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.[/p][/quote]If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.[/p][/quote]Why wouldn't it stop the oppression? I'm sure Israel will argue all the oppressive points that you mention have been carried out in response to attempts to destroy Israel. So stop trying to destroy Israel and the oppressive defensive actions of Israel stop? A bit like the Nazis stopping/losing the war, the oppressive actions of the UK, USA etc... stopped. Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?[/p][/quote]The annexing of Palestine and putting settlers on this land is not a response to destroy Israel.[/p][/quote]So I repeat - Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?[/p][/quote]Because even with a ceasefire Is real have said they will not remove the blockade they will not stop creating settlements on the West Bank[/p][/quote]They said they would not remove the blockade whilst Hamas is still in power. So again why don't the majority stand side by side with Israel? Look at Ireland, all that is needed us a desire from the people and strong leadership. So why don't the worlds Muslims stand up and support Israels right to exist, therefore bringing about a resolution? Israel accept and welcome a two state solution, why won't the Arabs do the same?[/p][/quote]Its very easy to be so objective from the outside but if your home was invaded would you concede to let the invaders have the kitchen,bathroom, master bedroom, living room while you have the back bedroom and the shed. And even then you can only have the back bedroom on your invaders conditions and if anyone comes to visit then its tough you've just got the shed that is until the invaders want to build an extension. I know this is an oversimplified analogy. If there was a ceasefire and a two state arrangement would Israel reduce its borders to the size of its original foundation in 1947 giving back the Palestinian land it has annexed since then including Jerusalem I think not.[/p][/quote]Some would say that our land is constantly invaded due to our immigration policy. Yet we still manage to live in peace. The land of the Jews pre-dates the formation of Islam by at least 1,200 years, so should they expand their borders back to that point in time? My point is its all land, they are all humans, why not just live tolerantly side by side, unless of course one side wants to further its ideology by brutal suppression and the refusal to acknowledge the right of another religion to exist?[/p][/quote]Comparing the situation to our immigration policy is ridiculous immigrants don't come over and forcibly evict you from your home with guns and bulldozers you aren't then governed by immigrants and treated as a second class citizen.[/p][/quote]That's a matter of opinion..... It was a tongue in cheek comment in response to your 'oversimplified' analogy. I'm sure another simple analogy could be, this was our homeland 1,200 years before the formation of your religion, so can we have it back please? Again, no 'side' is innocent, however one side accepts a two state solution one doesn't. Until the majority of Palestinians and in a wider context muslims worldwide accept a two state solution this will go on and on. So in the name of a peaceful tolerant religion surely they can all stand up and say enough?[/p][/quote]Prove it was their land 200000000 years ago. I think you'll find the Israelis dont want a 2 state solution. They have stolen the palestinians land, they tell them what to do, where to go, who can enter their holy mosque and then they want a 2 state solution based on their conditions, i.e. we are the masters and own most of the land, you are the slave and you can have a little bit of land. We will also build on your land and evict you further. Just like the ceasefire in Gaza, it has to based on the Israelis terms, i.e. we have destroyed half your land and now we want to go back to enslaving you and prisoning you.[/p][/quote]""Prove it was their land 200000000 years ago. I think you'll find the Israelis dont want a 2 state solution. They have stolen the palestinians land, they tell them what to do, where to go, who can enter their holy mosque and then they want a 2 state solution based on their conditions, i.e. we are the masters and own most of the land, you are the slave and you can have a little bit of land. We will also build on your land and evict you further. Just like the ceasefire in Gaza, it has to based on the Israelis terms, i.e. we have destroyed half your land and now we want to go back to enslaving you and prisoning you."" Prove it was theirs? Are you being serious? Ok, just to help you out a little, both The Bible and The Quran, yes the Quaran both mention the Jews living in Israel. Hope that clears that up for you. I thought we had just cleared up the two state scenario and who wants it and who doesn't? Hamas haven't even entered into negotiations so how do you know what the terms are?[/p][/quote]I think you'll find that Israel as land is never mentioned in the Quran. Isreal is a name given to a prophet and his progeny is known as the children of Israel. I dont have a copy of the original Bible, as it has changed so much over the years its diffcult to keep count.[/p][/quote]chapter 17:100-104 hoppyhol
  • Score: 4

3:43pm Wed 23 Jul 14

johnnyjackson says...

hoppyhol wrote:
johnnyjackson wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
johnnyjackson wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
waka flocks flame wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
Uncle Harry wrote:
Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting.

looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.
There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad.

If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor?

Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not?

Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel?

We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.
If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.
Why wouldn't it stop the oppression?

I'm sure Israel will argue all the oppressive points that you mention have been carried out in response to attempts to destroy Israel. So stop trying to destroy Israel and the oppressive defensive actions of Israel stop? A bit like the Nazis stopping/losing the war, the oppressive actions of the UK, USA etc... stopped.

Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?
The annexing of Palestine and putting settlers on this land is not a response to destroy Israel.
So I repeat - Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?
Because even with a ceasefire Is real have said they will not remove the blockade they will not stop creating settlements on the West Bank
They said they would not remove the blockade whilst Hamas is still in power. So again why don't the majority stand side by side with Israel? Look at Ireland, all that is needed us a desire from the people and strong leadership. So why don't the worlds Muslims stand up and support Israels right to exist, therefore bringing about a resolution? Israel accept and welcome a two state solution, why won't the Arabs do the same?
Its very easy to be so objective from the outside but if your home was invaded would you concede to let the invaders have the kitchen,bathroom, master bedroom, living room while you have the back bedroom and the shed. And even then you can only have the back bedroom on your invaders conditions and if anyone comes to visit then its tough you've just got the shed that is until the invaders want to build an extension.

I know this is an oversimplified analogy.

If there was a ceasefire and a two state arrangement would Israel reduce its borders to the size of its original foundation in 1947 giving back the Palestinian land it has annexed since then including Jerusalem I think not.
Some would say that our land is constantly invaded due to our immigration policy. Yet we still manage to live in peace.

The land of the Jews pre-dates the formation of Islam by at least 1,200 years, so should they expand their borders back to that point in time? My point is its all land, they are all humans, why not just live tolerantly side by side, unless of course one side wants to further its ideology by brutal suppression and the refusal to acknowledge the right of another religion to exist?
Comparing the situation to our immigration policy is ridiculous immigrants don't come over and forcibly evict you from your home with guns and bulldozers you aren't then governed by immigrants and treated as a second class citizen.
That's a matter of opinion.....

It was a tongue in cheek comment in response to your 'oversimplified' analogy.

I'm sure another simple analogy could be, this was our homeland 1,200 years before the formation of your religion, so can we have it back please?

Again, no 'side' is innocent, however one side accepts a two state solution one doesn't. Until the majority of Palestinians and in a wider context muslims worldwide accept a two state solution this will go on and on. So in the name of a peaceful tolerant religion surely they can all stand up and say enough?
Prove it was their land 200000000 years ago.

I think you'll find the Israelis dont want a 2 state solution.

They have stolen the palestinians land, they tell them what to do, where to go, who can enter their holy mosque and then they want a 2 state solution based on their conditions, i.e. we are the masters and own most of the land, you are the slave and you can have a little bit of land. We will also build on your land and evict you further.

Just like the ceasefire in Gaza, it has to based on the Israelis terms, i.e. we have destroyed half your land and now we want to go back to enslaving you and prisoning you.
""Prove it was their land 200000000 years ago. I think you'll find the Israelis dont want a 2 state solution. They have stolen the palestinians land, they tell them what to do, where to go, who can enter their holy mosque and then they want a 2 state solution based on their conditions, i.e. we are the masters and own most of the land, you are the slave and you can have a little bit of land. We will also build on your land and evict you further. Just like the ceasefire in Gaza, it has to based on the Israelis terms, i.e. we have destroyed half your land and now we want to go back to enslaving you and prisoning you.""

Prove it was theirs? Are you being serious?

Ok, just to help you out a little, both The Bible and The Quran, yes the Quaran both mention the Jews living in Israel. Hope that clears that up for you.

I thought we had just cleared up the two state scenario and who wants it and who doesn't? Hamas haven't even entered into negotiations so how do you know what the terms are?
I think you'll find that Israel as land is never mentioned in the Quran. Isreal is a name given to a prophet and his progeny is known as the children of Israel.

I dont have a copy of the original Bible, as it has changed so much over the years its diffcult to keep count.
chapter 17:100-104
I think you'll find in the Jews holy book that they are not promised a state in this world.
[quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnnyjackson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnnyjackson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waka flocks flame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Uncle Harry[/bold] wrote: Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting. looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.[/p][/quote]There were Jews in 'Palestine' as early as 600bc Islam was formed around 600ad. If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow there would be no more fighting. If Israel put down its weapons there would be no more Israel. Who is the aggressor? Why don't the Islamics just live side by side with the Jews, after all it is a religion of peace, understanding and tolerance is it not? Islamics set up insular and in some cases invasive communities throughout the world, they are welcomed and tolerated, why don't they afford this basic human right to the people of Israel? We are all visiting this planet, none of us own it or the land. We are all humans, we should live side by side peacefully regardless of religion or otherwise.[/p][/quote]If Hamas put down their weapons tomorrow fighting would stop and while that would make the situation better than people dying it wouldn't stop the oppression of the Palestinian people. It wouldn't stop Isreal annexing more of Palestine to make settlements for more settlers. It wont stop Isreal treating the Palestinians like subhumans. It wont stop Isreal controlling the water supplies to Palestine and withholding it. It won't stop the blockade on Palestine that is forcing the Palestinians to live in prison camp conditions. Hamas do have extreme views as do the Zionists but most is the Israelis and Palestinians would much rather live in peace as equals than the current state of affairs.[/p][/quote]Why wouldn't it stop the oppression? I'm sure Israel will argue all the oppressive points that you mention have been carried out in response to attempts to destroy Israel. So stop trying to destroy Israel and the oppressive defensive actions of Israel stop? A bit like the Nazis stopping/losing the war, the oppressive actions of the UK, USA etc... stopped. Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?[/p][/quote]The annexing of Palestine and putting settlers on this land is not a response to destroy Israel.[/p][/quote]So I repeat - Why don't the majority of Palestinians and worldwide muslims denounce the actions of Hamas and stand beside Israel and say, stop, they are humans and we want to live peacefully with them , there is plenty of room for us all?[/p][/quote]Because even with a ceasefire Is real have said they will not remove the blockade they will not stop creating settlements on the West Bank[/p][/quote]They said they would not remove the blockade whilst Hamas is still in power. So again why don't the majority stand side by side with Israel? Look at Ireland, all that is needed us a desire from the people and strong leadership. So why don't the worlds Muslims stand up and support Israels right to exist, therefore bringing about a resolution? Israel accept and welcome a two state solution, why won't the Arabs do the same?[/p][/quote]Its very easy to be so objective from the outside but if your home was invaded would you concede to let the invaders have the kitchen,bathroom, master bedroom, living room while you have the back bedroom and the shed. And even then you can only have the back bedroom on your invaders conditions and if anyone comes to visit then its tough you've just got the shed that is until the invaders want to build an extension. I know this is an oversimplified analogy. If there was a ceasefire and a two state arrangement would Israel reduce its borders to the size of its original foundation in 1947 giving back the Palestinian land it has annexed since then including Jerusalem I think not.[/p][/quote]Some would say that our land is constantly invaded due to our immigration policy. Yet we still manage to live in peace. The land of the Jews pre-dates the formation of Islam by at least 1,200 years, so should they expand their borders back to that point in time? My point is its all land, they are all humans, why not just live tolerantly side by side, unless of course one side wants to further its ideology by brutal suppression and the refusal to acknowledge the right of another religion to exist?[/p][/quote]Comparing the situation to our immigration policy is ridiculous immigrants don't come over and forcibly evict you from your home with guns and bulldozers you aren't then governed by immigrants and treated as a second class citizen.[/p][/quote]That's a matter of opinion..... It was a tongue in cheek comment in response to your 'oversimplified' analogy. I'm sure another simple analogy could be, this was our homeland 1,200 years before the formation of your religion, so can we have it back please? Again, no 'side' is innocent, however one side accepts a two state solution one doesn't. Until the majority of Palestinians and in a wider context muslims worldwide accept a two state solution this will go on and on. So in the name of a peaceful tolerant religion surely they can all stand up and say enough?[/p][/quote]Prove it was their land 200000000 years ago. I think you'll find the Israelis dont want a 2 state solution. They have stolen the palestinians land, they tell them what to do, where to go, who can enter their holy mosque and then they want a 2 state solution based on their conditions, i.e. we are the masters and own most of the land, you are the slave and you can have a little bit of land. We will also build on your land and evict you further. Just like the ceasefire in Gaza, it has to based on the Israelis terms, i.e. we have destroyed half your land and now we want to go back to enslaving you and prisoning you.[/p][/quote]""Prove it was their land 200000000 years ago. I think you'll find the Israelis dont want a 2 state solution. They have stolen the palestinians land, they tell them what to do, where to go, who can enter their holy mosque and then they want a 2 state solution based on their conditions, i.e. we are the masters and own most of the land, you are the slave and you can have a little bit of land. We will also build on your land and evict you further. Just like the ceasefire in Gaza, it has to based on the Israelis terms, i.e. we have destroyed half your land and now we want to go back to enslaving you and prisoning you."" Prove it was theirs? Are you being serious? Ok, just to help you out a little, both The Bible and The Quran, yes the Quaran both mention the Jews living in Israel. Hope that clears that up for you. I thought we had just cleared up the two state scenario and who wants it and who doesn't? Hamas haven't even entered into negotiations so how do you know what the terms are?[/p][/quote]I think you'll find that Israel as land is never mentioned in the Quran. Isreal is a name given to a prophet and his progeny is known as the children of Israel. I dont have a copy of the original Bible, as it has changed so much over the years its diffcult to keep count.[/p][/quote]chapter 17:100-104[/p][/quote]I think you'll find in the Jews holy book that they are not promised a state in this world. johnnyjackson
  • Score: 2

3:50pm Wed 23 Jul 14

johnnyjackson says...

hoppyhol wrote:
""Do the Israelis and their puppets the Americans and UK recognise the democratically elected government known as Hamas?

Double standards from uneducated people like you.""

There is a difference between recognising a democratically elected terrorist organisation and recognising the right of a country to exist.

I've gone from being a 'Know it all' to uneducated.

You say Israel doesn't recognise a two state solution, then you tell me what Israels terms are for a two state solution. You ask me to prove Israel was Jewish land when its clearly stated in the very holy book that Hamas fight in the name of.

I've enjoyed our discussion but I think its time to bring it to an end.

Have a good day, god bless.
You too....
[quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: ""Do the Israelis and their puppets the Americans and UK recognise the democratically elected government known as Hamas? Double standards from uneducated people like you."" There is a difference between recognising a democratically elected terrorist organisation and recognising the right of a country to exist. I've gone from being a 'Know it all' to uneducated. You say Israel doesn't recognise a two state solution, then you tell me what Israels terms are for a two state solution. You ask me to prove Israel was Jewish land when its clearly stated in the very holy book that Hamas fight in the name of. I've enjoyed our discussion but I think its time to bring it to an end. Have a good day, god bless.[/p][/quote]You too.... johnnyjackson
  • Score: -1

3:59pm Wed 23 Jul 14

LoveBolton says...

johnnyjackson wrote:
allan111111 wrote:
Muslims always spouting on about hating the west and then choosing to live here .....hypocrites....n


o wonder it's a religion of violence and hate
Alan, I think you'll find that muslims love this country, they just dont want to adopt the drinking, smoking, football, sex, drugs............ the list goes on culture. The brits have a major problem with this, they are intollerable people.

I dont see the brits integrating when they move abroad for work etc.... The first they do is find a pub or brew their own beer.
Oh come on Man U gone a bit far we luv football.........
[quote][p][bold]johnnyjackson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allan111111[/bold] wrote: Muslims always spouting on about hating the west and then choosing to live here .....hypocrites....n o wonder it's a religion of violence and hate[/p][/quote]Alan, I think you'll find that muslims love this country, they just dont want to adopt the drinking, smoking, football, sex, drugs............ the list goes on culture. The brits have a major problem with this, they are intollerable people. I dont see the brits integrating when they move abroad for work etc.... The first they do is find a pub or brew their own beer.[/p][/quote]Oh come on Man U gone a bit far we luv football......... LoveBolton
  • Score: -3

4:05pm Wed 23 Jul 14

johnnyjackson says...

LoveBolton wrote:
johnnyjackson wrote:
allan111111 wrote:
Muslims always spouting on about hating the west and then choosing to live here .....hypocrites....n



o wonder it's a religion of violence and hate
Alan, I think you'll find that muslims love this country, they just dont want to adopt the drinking, smoking, football, sex, drugs............ the list goes on culture. The brits have a major problem with this, they are intollerable people.

I dont see the brits integrating when they move abroad for work etc.... The first they do is find a pub or brew their own beer.
Oh come on Man U gone a bit far we luv football.........
I meant football as a religion. lol
[quote][p][bold]LoveBolton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnnyjackson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allan111111[/bold] wrote: Muslims always spouting on about hating the west and then choosing to live here .....hypocrites....n o wonder it's a religion of violence and hate[/p][/quote]Alan, I think you'll find that muslims love this country, they just dont want to adopt the drinking, smoking, football, sex, drugs............ the list goes on culture. The brits have a major problem with this, they are intollerable people. I dont see the brits integrating when they move abroad for work etc.... The first they do is find a pub or brew their own beer.[/p][/quote]Oh come on Man U gone a bit far we luv football.........[/p][/quote]I meant football as a religion. lol johnnyjackson
  • Score: -1

4:29pm Wed 23 Jul 14

johnnyjackson says...

johnnyjackson wrote:
hoppyhol wrote:
""Do the Israelis and their puppets the Americans and UK recognise the democratically elected government known as Hamas?

Double standards from uneducated people like you.""

There is a difference between recognising a democratically elected terrorist organisation and recognising the right of a country to exist.

I've gone from being a 'Know it all' to uneducated.

You say Israel doesn't recognise a two state solution, then you tell me what Israels terms are for a two state solution. You ask me to prove Israel was Jewish land when its clearly stated in the very holy book that Hamas fight in the name of.

I've enjoyed our discussion but I think its time to bring it to an end.

Have a good day, god bless.
You too....
I think you're right, we should bring this to an end.

- You were trying correct everyone, hence why I said you are a know it all.
- Uneducated as the only news your read/watch is the well documented biased BBC.
- I said Israel doesnt want a 2 state solution that would allow the Palestinians to live like humans.
- The jewish book clearly mentions no land has been promised to the jews.
- The jews do not recognise the Christians so why would they follow the bible?

Have a great day.
[quote][p][bold]johnnyjackson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoppyhol[/bold] wrote: ""Do the Israelis and their puppets the Americans and UK recognise the democratically elected government known as Hamas? Double standards from uneducated people like you."" There is a difference between recognising a democratically elected terrorist organisation and recognising the right of a country to exist. I've gone from being a 'Know it all' to uneducated. You say Israel doesn't recognise a two state solution, then you tell me what Israels terms are for a two state solution. You ask me to prove Israel was Jewish land when its clearly stated in the very holy book that Hamas fight in the name of. I've enjoyed our discussion but I think its time to bring it to an end. Have a good day, god bless.[/p][/quote]You too....[/p][/quote]I think you're right, we should bring this to an end. - You were trying correct everyone, hence why I said you are a know it all. - Uneducated as the only news your read/watch is the well documented biased BBC. - I said Israel doesnt want a 2 state solution that would allow the Palestinians to live like humans. - The jewish book clearly mentions no land has been promised to the jews. - The jews do not recognise the Christians so why would they follow the bible? Have a great day. johnnyjackson
  • Score: -45

11:30pm Wed 23 Jul 14

davelarkmanloveskids says...

At the end of the day it's wrong. We can't fly a st George's cross without somebody complaining yet people can fly a flag which some will find offensive and no body gives a toss because....... It's amir khan.

Farcical and we should be ashamed
At the end of the day it's wrong. We can't fly a st George's cross without somebody complaining yet people can fly a flag which some will find offensive and no body gives a toss because....... It's amir khan. Farcical and we should be ashamed davelarkmanloveskids
  • Score: 65

1:46am Thu 24 Jul 14

aamirahmad says...

FreedomOfSpeech1945 wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
FreedomOfSpeech1945 wrote:
We are not allowed to fly our flags in our country in case it offends. Well this flag offends me and it is not welcome in England! I hope the council take action and get it removed!
Again, you can fly the Union Jack.

But, hey-ho, never let the truth get in the way of an opportunity for Muslim bashing.
Well the patron flag of our country is the St George Cross, this flag should be flown everywhere. Patriotism not racism!
well.. St George was born in Palestine but whatever. who cares where you're from anyway. Amir flies the union jack in the ring when he fights, he has the union jack on his shorts etc. He is a British Pakistani. Flying a Palestinian flag when you're a British Pakistani is not patriotism or the opposite. Its simply showing solidarity with a people who are under siege, oppressed and currently under attack by a bully state.
[quote][p][bold]FreedomOfSpeech1945[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FreedomOfSpeech1945[/bold] wrote: We are not allowed to fly our flags in our country in case it offends. Well this flag offends me and it is not welcome in England! I hope the council take action and get it removed![/p][/quote]Again, you can fly the Union Jack. But, hey-ho, never let the truth get in the way of an opportunity for Muslim bashing.[/p][/quote]Well the patron flag of our country is the St George Cross, this flag should be flown everywhere. Patriotism not racism![/p][/quote]well.. St George was born in Palestine but whatever. who cares where you're from anyway. Amir flies the union jack in the ring when he fights, he has the union jack on his shorts etc. He is a British Pakistani. Flying a Palestinian flag when you're a British Pakistani is not patriotism or the opposite. Its simply showing solidarity with a people who are under siege, oppressed and currently under attack by a bully state. aamirahmad
  • Score: -71

7:04am Thu 24 Jul 14

bluemeanie63 says...

waste watcher wrote:
well someone elses land being given away has been quoted above!
Sounds like the UK to me.
Anyone know how much it costs to advertise on the bottom of a boxers boots these days ?
you would be better advertising on the soles of their boxing shoes, more exposure when they are put on the canvas lol
[quote][p][bold]waste watcher[/bold] wrote: well someone elses land being given away has been quoted above! Sounds like the UK to me. Anyone know how much it costs to advertise on the bottom of a boxers boots these days ?[/p][/quote]you would be better advertising on the soles of their boxing shoes, more exposure when they are put on the canvas lol bluemeanie63
  • Score: 86

9:43am Thu 24 Jul 14

Jem stone says...

allan111111 wrote:
Uncle harry get your facts right....I am not interested in what happened a hundred years ago I'm only interested in today and the future....hamas are a violent bunch of terrorists , whilst they continue to bombard isreal with rockets then there will never be a chance of peace...
Allan 11111 Get your facts right ....... Who are the ones with weapons who are the ones that a killing innocent civilians ??? Who is bombing hospitals schools mosques kids playing on a beach ??? Who provides the weapons to the zionist ??? Tell you what Americas 911 is Palastines 24/7
Dont use Hamas as an excuse every time the zionist pigs bomb civillians !!! The true fact is the attacks a delibret to cause distruction kill as many palastinian and then to justify what the Zionist Pigs are doing use the same sad excuse stating its Hamas they are attacking !!!

Its like saying he got me with a water gun so to defend myself I will shoot his entire family !!! How many deaths have Hamas rockets caused ??? How many deaths have the Zionist pigs caused ???
Tell you what befor you start mouthing wipe your lips as still some **** left on it !!!!!
[quote][p][bold]allan111111[/bold] wrote: Uncle harry get your facts right....I am not interested in what happened a hundred years ago I'm only interested in today and the future....hamas are a violent bunch of terrorists , whilst they continue to bombard isreal with rockets then there will never be a chance of peace...[/p][/quote]Allan 11111 Get your facts right ....... Who are the ones with weapons who are the ones that a killing innocent civilians ??? Who is bombing hospitals schools mosques kids playing on a beach ??? Who provides the weapons to the zionist ??? Tell you what Americas 911 is Palastines 24/7 Dont use Hamas as an excuse every time the zionist pigs bomb civillians !!! The true fact is the attacks a delibret to cause distruction kill as many palastinian and then to justify what the Zionist Pigs are doing use the same sad excuse stating its Hamas they are attacking !!! Its like saying he got me with a water gun so to defend myself I will shoot his entire family !!! How many deaths have Hamas rockets caused ??? How many deaths have the Zionist pigs caused ??? Tell you what befor you start mouthing wipe your lips as still some **** left on it !!!!! Jem stone
  • Score: -2

10:11am Thu 24 Jul 14

Jem stone says...

Alan1111 It was the Uk that created Israel by giving someone elses land !!!!
What right did they have to give someone elses land ???? Makes me wonder why the Uk never gave up some of their land for the Jews ????
Hats off to the Khan family for showing unity and flying the Palastine flag ..... For those of you that have a problem tough !!! Bolton council should learn a thing or two from Preston City council who have agreed to fly the Palestinian flag loud and proud on Preston Town Hall in Solidarity with the people of Gaza .
On Friday 25th of July .... The first Palestinian flag to fly above any Town Hall in England .
Well done Preston Council for your support ......
Alan1111 It was the Uk that created Israel by giving someone elses land !!!! What right did they have to give someone elses land ???? Makes me wonder why the Uk never gave up some of their land for the Jews ???? Hats off to the Khan family for showing unity and flying the Palastine flag ..... For those of you that have a problem tough !!! Bolton council should learn a thing or two from Preston City council who have agreed to fly the Palestinian flag loud and proud on Preston Town Hall in Solidarity with the people of Gaza . On Friday 25th of July .... The first Palestinian flag to fly above any Town Hall in England . Well done Preston Council for your support ...... Jem stone
  • Score: -45

11:03am Thu 24 Jul 14

FreedomOfSpeech1945 says...

Anyway, does anyone know if the flag has been taken down, as it is offensive to my religion and culture?
Anyway, does anyone know if the flag has been taken down, as it is offensive to my religion and culture? FreedomOfSpeech1945
  • Score: 17

12:16pm Thu 24 Jul 14

johnnyjackson says...

FreedomOfSpeech1945 wrote:
Anyway, does anyone know if the flag has been taken down, as it is offensive to my religion and culture?
Fair play to Khan....... Good on him.
[quote][p][bold]FreedomOfSpeech1945[/bold] wrote: Anyway, does anyone know if the flag has been taken down, as it is offensive to my religion and culture?[/p][/quote]Fair play to Khan....... Good on him. johnnyjackson
  • Score: -28

12:29pm Thu 24 Jul 14

johnnyjackson says...

FreedomOfSpeech1945 wrote:
Anyway, does anyone know if the flag has been taken down, as it is offensive to my religion and culture?
Why is it offensive to your religion and culture? Do you condone the slaughtering of innocent women and children. The bombing of 4 9 year olds playng on a beach?
[quote][p][bold]FreedomOfSpeech1945[/bold] wrote: Anyway, does anyone know if the flag has been taken down, as it is offensive to my religion and culture?[/p][/quote]Why is it offensive to your religion and culture? Do you condone the slaughtering of innocent women and children. The bombing of 4 9 year olds playng on a beach? johnnyjackson
  • Score: -30

4:17pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Enemy of The State..... says...

You all just chat a load off ****,,,,,, any1 selling a good car ?
You all just chat a load off ****,,,,,, any1 selling a good car ? Enemy of The State.....
  • Score: -34

4:38pm Thu 24 Jul 14

waste watcher says...

bluemeanie63 wrote:
waste watcher wrote:
well someone elses land being given away has been quoted above!
Sounds like the UK to me.
Anyone know how much it costs to advertise on the bottom of a boxers boots these days ?
you would be better advertising on the soles of their boxing shoes, more exposure when they are put on the canvas lol
one can only hope he spends as much time on the canvas as Rembrandt.
It is alledged that if you go on harooncanttekapunch .com you can request to advertise on his soles.
and as we Christians say
God Bless are soles
[quote][p][bold]bluemeanie63[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waste watcher[/bold] wrote: well someone elses land being given away has been quoted above! Sounds like the UK to me. Anyone know how much it costs to advertise on the bottom of a boxers boots these days ?[/p][/quote]you would be better advertising on the soles of their boxing shoes, more exposure when they are put on the canvas lol[/p][/quote]one can only hope he spends as much time on the canvas as Rembrandt. It is alledged that if you go on harooncanttekapunch .com you can request to advertise on his soles. and as we Christians say God Bless are soles waste watcher
  • Score: 2

2:37am Fri 25 Jul 14

The Morrigan - Tuatha De Danann says...

Peaceonthestreets wrote:
Uneducated, media-fed, ignorant people. This isnt even about race or religion and nobody should be telling anyone to go anywhere.

So british people how would you feel if the french one day decide to bulldoze your house because they fancy making british their country and want to build their house where yours once stood. Now when they trmove you from your house they use force and weapons to dispose of you...harming or killing your women and children. Now your family is dead and now they are moving on to your neighbours boom your neighbours are now injured or dead and homeless. Now your crying and distraught you have nobody to turn to or ask for help...no government who can stop this horrible torture NOBODY! Your telling me you are not going to retaliate to save your family and kids...your telling me your not going to be angry....all you want is this massacre to stop and live in peace. But no. France wants to kill all british people (ethnic cleansing) and make the country theirs. France decides to put a restriction on hospitals and school supplies, foreign aid is restricted and the whole of britain is on lockdown. Your telling me your going to just sit their quietly and do nothing after uv watched all your family and friends die???!!! Are you?????

Israel have no right to remove people from their houses....palestine is not their country....but they are heartless and greedy and have an agenda.

The western countries are not getting involved. They cant. They dont have the money and will ahve no gain from helping the palestinians. Palestine has no oil reserves. Just like how the west arent getting involved with syria because theres no financial gain for them. No oil. But on the other hand iraq and libya had loads so hey course they going to get involved.

They are not going to fight against israel because they have large economic presence over the world, they have weapons of mass destruction and nukes (unlike iran who have none- oh the double standards)

So people wake up and smell the coffee and stop making excuses in your narrowminded brains and blame or resort each and everytime to race and religious abuse or reasoning. Its not about that is about money and power. Its about israel wanting to take over a country and make it theirs with only their people.

Come on you really in your heart if you were in that situation think that is morally right??? Do you??? Theres no smoke without fire! Just like theres no rockets without human genocide.

Its not about race or religion....its about humanity!!!

Peace ****
The French already did!. Well it was the Normans actually (Viking descendants who had acquired 'posh' manners in 200 years) in a battle at Hastings in 1066 led by one William of Normandy (some of whom refer to as 'The Conqueror') who defeated the Saxon Harold Godwinson (Harold Godwinson depicted on the Bayeux Tapestry with an arrow in his eye). After the Norman conquest the Normans set about finding out just exactly how much land, livestock the people of England and some areas of Wales owned. which had to be written down, this is known as 'The Doomsday Book'. Many vanquished Saxons of England had their own lands confiscated by the Norman invaders.

(Saxons being those comprised of Angles, Saxons etc. who came to Britain from Germania in the Fifth Century. a la Hengist and Horsa after the fall of the Roman empire at the invitation of the Celtic Briton Vortigen). The Anglo Saxons of course who brought with them the language of 'Aenglisc' and from whom the name of the country which eventually became England is derived. Religion wise the Anglo Saxons were Pagan, worshippers of the old Norse Gods comprising of Tiw, Thor, Woden, Loki, Freya etc., who landed in Britain at a time when Christianity was begining to take hold. The avowedly Pagan King, Penda of Mercia was actually tolerant of allowing subjects to practice Christianity thereby two religions were practised at that time. Heathenry for followers of the Norse Gods and Christianity as a result of Roman occupancy of Britain when Christianity trickled through (noting a number of Roman soldiers worshipped the Persian God Mithras in Britain where there are five known temples dedicated to the worship of Mithras by the Romans in occupied Britain) and later from the mission of St Augustine to convert the Pagan Anglo Saxons.

The Roman invasion of Britain in 43 AD conquered the Celtic Britons (think Boudica and Caratacus, note Caractus speech upon being taken to Rome as a prisoner, whereby he was pardoned. Vercingetorix the Gaul who bore similarities to Caratacus but who was executed). So in a nutshell Britain/England has been invaded and it's inhabitants subjugated by various conquerors including Romans, Anglo Saxons, Vikings and Normans ( and if Germany had been the victor Britain/England would have been invaded again).

Personally, I'd quite like to see a Viking longboat sailing up the Croal complete with tall, long fair haired, bearded warriors (Marco Hietala of 'Nightwish' springs to mind!)

"France wants to kill all British people (ethnic cleansing) and make the country theirs" - I'm unsure if Le Francais want to literally kill all British people (unless it is to be carried out by subterfuge - maybe they will force their cuisine upon the inhabitants of these shores? Can't really understand the gallic passion for Escargot, and frogs legs, as for horse meat, hasn't that already made a secret entre onto the unsuspecting tables of Britain/England under the guise of other meats ??!!) Mayhap France has a secret agenda to remove the national dish of 'Roast Biff' a derogatory phrase uttered by French citizens to those of British/English origin? However with regard to "making the country theirs" - Sacre Bleu - it's already happened - it's called the European Union!!!

Is this post relevant? Possibly not, it's not meant to be derogatory in anyway but given Bolton is often associated with folk who have brought it into the public eye via the media spotlight, thought a history lesson regarding the origins of the name of the town which we inhabit and the derivations of it's name from the Anglo Saxon dwellers of yesteryear who occupied it and left the legacy of the town name was worth a mention!

Au Revoir!!
[quote][p][bold]Peaceonthestreets[/bold] wrote: Uneducated, media-fed, ignorant people. This isnt even about race or religion and nobody should be telling anyone to go anywhere. So british people how would you feel if the french one day decide to bulldoze your house because they fancy making british their country and want to build their house where yours once stood. Now when they trmove you from your house they use force and weapons to dispose of you...harming or killing your women and children. Now your family is dead and now they are moving on to your neighbours boom your neighbours are now injured or dead and homeless. Now your crying and distraught you have nobody to turn to or ask for help...no government who can stop this horrible torture NOBODY! Your telling me you are not going to retaliate to save your family and kids...your telling me your not going to be angry....all you want is this massacre to stop and live in peace. But no. France wants to kill all british people (ethnic cleansing) and make the country theirs. France decides to put a restriction on hospitals and school supplies, foreign aid is restricted and the whole of britain is on lockdown. Your telling me your going to just sit their quietly and do nothing after uv watched all your family and friends die???!!! Are you????? Israel have no right to remove people from their houses....palestine is not their country....but they are heartless and greedy and have an agenda. The western countries are not getting involved. They cant. They dont have the money and will ahve no gain from helping the palestinians. Palestine has no oil reserves. Just like how the west arent getting involved with syria because theres no financial gain for them. No oil. But on the other hand iraq and libya had loads so hey course they going to get involved. They are not going to fight against israel because they have large economic presence over the world, they have weapons of mass destruction and nukes (unlike iran who have none- oh the double standards) So people wake up and smell the coffee and stop making excuses in your narrowminded brains and blame or resort each and everytime to race and religious abuse or reasoning. Its not about that is about money and power. Its about israel wanting to take over a country and make it theirs with only their people. Come on you really in your heart if you were in that situation think that is morally right??? Do you??? Theres no smoke without fire! Just like theres no rockets without human genocide. Its not about race or religion....its about humanity!!! Peace ****[/p][/quote]The French already did!. Well it was the Normans actually (Viking descendants who had acquired 'posh' manners in 200 years) in a battle at Hastings in 1066 led by one William of Normandy (some of whom refer to as 'The Conqueror') who defeated the Saxon Harold Godwinson (Harold Godwinson depicted on the Bayeux Tapestry with an arrow in his eye). After the Norman conquest the Normans set about finding out just exactly how much land, livestock the people of England and some areas of Wales owned. which had to be written down, this is known as 'The Doomsday Book'. Many vanquished Saxons of England had their own lands confiscated by the Norman invaders. (Saxons being those comprised of Angles, Saxons etc. who came to Britain from Germania in the Fifth Century. a la Hengist and Horsa after the fall of the Roman empire at the invitation of the Celtic Briton Vortigen). The Anglo Saxons of course who brought with them the language of 'Aenglisc' and from whom the name of the country which eventually became England is derived. Religion wise the Anglo Saxons were Pagan, worshippers of the old Norse Gods comprising of Tiw, Thor, Woden, Loki, Freya etc., who landed in Britain at a time when Christianity was begining to take hold. The avowedly Pagan King, Penda of Mercia was actually tolerant of allowing subjects to practice Christianity thereby two religions were practised at that time. Heathenry for followers of the Norse Gods and Christianity as a result of Roman occupancy of Britain when Christianity trickled through (noting a number of Roman soldiers worshipped the Persian God Mithras in Britain where there are five known temples dedicated to the worship of Mithras by the Romans in occupied Britain) and later from the mission of St Augustine to convert the Pagan Anglo Saxons. The Roman invasion of Britain in 43 AD conquered the Celtic Britons (think Boudica and Caratacus, note Caractus speech upon being taken to Rome as a prisoner, whereby he was pardoned. Vercingetorix the Gaul who bore similarities to Caratacus but who was executed). So in a nutshell Britain/England has been invaded and it's inhabitants subjugated by various conquerors including Romans, Anglo Saxons, Vikings and Normans ( and if Germany had been the victor Britain/England would have been invaded again). Personally, I'd quite like to see a Viking longboat sailing up the Croal complete with tall, long fair haired, bearded warriors (Marco Hietala of 'Nightwish' springs to mind!) "France wants to kill all British people (ethnic cleansing) and make the country theirs" - I'm unsure if Le Francais want to literally kill all British people (unless it is to be carried out by subterfuge - maybe they will force their cuisine upon the inhabitants of these shores? Can't really understand the gallic passion for Escargot, and frogs legs, as for horse meat, hasn't that already made a secret entre onto the unsuspecting tables of Britain/England under the guise of other meats ??!!) Mayhap France has a secret agenda to remove the national dish of 'Roast Biff' a derogatory phrase uttered by French citizens to those of British/English origin? However with regard to "making the country theirs" - Sacre Bleu - it's already happened - it's called the European Union!!! Is this post relevant? Possibly not, it's not meant to be derogatory in anyway but given Bolton is often associated with folk who have brought it into the public eye via the media spotlight, thought a history lesson regarding the origins of the name of the town which we inhabit and the derivations of it's name from the Anglo Saxon dwellers of yesteryear who occupied it and left the legacy of the town name was worth a mention! Au Revoir!! The Morrigan - Tuatha De Danann
  • Score: -2

12:04pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Dr Martin says...

allan111111 wrote:
8 off the top 10 most dangerous countries in the world are muslim.....just saying
do you have proof of that?
[quote][p][bold]allan111111[/bold] wrote: 8 off the top 10 most dangerous countries in the world are muslim.....just saying[/p][/quote]do you have proof of that? Dr Martin
  • Score: -30

12:07pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Dr Martin says...

aamirahmad wrote:
FreedomOfSpeech1945 wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
FreedomOfSpeech1945 wrote:
We are not allowed to fly our flags in our country in case it offends. Well this flag offends me and it is not welcome in England! I hope the council take action and get it removed!
Again, you can fly the Union Jack.

But, hey-ho, never let the truth get in the way of an opportunity for Muslim bashing.
Well the patron flag of our country is the St George Cross, this flag should be flown everywhere. Patriotism not racism!
well.. St George was born in Palestine but whatever. who cares where you're from anyway. Amir flies the union jack in the ring when he fights, he has the union jack on his shorts etc. He is a British Pakistani. Flying a Palestinian flag when you're a British Pakistani is not patriotism or the opposite. Its simply showing solidarity with a people who are under siege, oppressed and currently under attack by a bully state.
A good post!
[quote][p][bold]aamirahmad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FreedomOfSpeech1945[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FreedomOfSpeech1945[/bold] wrote: We are not allowed to fly our flags in our country in case it offends. Well this flag offends me and it is not welcome in England! I hope the council take action and get it removed![/p][/quote]Again, you can fly the Union Jack. But, hey-ho, never let the truth get in the way of an opportunity for Muslim bashing.[/p][/quote]Well the patron flag of our country is the St George Cross, this flag should be flown everywhere. Patriotism not racism![/p][/quote]well.. St George was born in Palestine but whatever. who cares where you're from anyway. Amir flies the union jack in the ring when he fights, he has the union jack on his shorts etc. He is a British Pakistani. Flying a Palestinian flag when you're a British Pakistani is not patriotism or the opposite. Its simply showing solidarity with a people who are under siege, oppressed and currently under attack by a bully state.[/p][/quote]A good post! Dr Martin
  • Score: -22

12:19pm Fri 25 Jul 14

johnnyjackson says...

Dr Martin wrote:
allan111111 wrote:
8 off the top 10 most dangerous countries in the world are muslim.....just saying
do you have proof of that?
number 1 Israel.
2. USA
3. UK
4. USA and their 6 allys.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allan111111[/bold] wrote: 8 off the top 10 most dangerous countries in the world are muslim.....just saying[/p][/quote]do you have proof of that?[/p][/quote]number 1 Israel. 2. USA 3. UK 4. USA and their 6 allys. johnnyjackson
  • Score: -26

1:41pm Fri 25 Jul 14

adatherton says...

Allmylife wrote:
Don't flag poles need planning consent? Has this one got consent?
Further - is there not a bye law about what and when a flag can be flown?

Over to you Bolton Metro.
No flagpoles don't need consent.
[quote][p][bold]Allmylife[/bold] wrote: Don't flag poles need planning consent? Has this one got consent? Further - is there not a bye law about what and when a flag can be flown? Over to you Bolton Metro.[/p][/quote]No flagpoles don't need consent. adatherton
  • Score: -20

4:34pm Fri 25 Jul 14

FreedomOfSpeech1945 says...

What is flying a flag going to achieve anyway? If they support it then let them go.
What is flying a flag going to achieve anyway? If they support it then let them go. FreedomOfSpeech1945
  • Score: 4

6:23am Sat 26 Jul 14

By George says...

adatherton wrote:
Allmylife wrote:
Don't flag poles need planning consent? Has this one got consent?
Further - is there not a bye law about what and when a flag can be flown?

Over to you Bolton Metro.
No flagpoles don't need consent.
The flag pole should not be higher than 4.5 metres or 14. 8 feet approx
[quote][p][bold]adatherton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Allmylife[/bold] wrote: Don't flag poles need planning consent? Has this one got consent? Further - is there not a bye law about what and when a flag can be flown? Over to you Bolton Metro.[/p][/quote]No flagpoles don't need consent.[/p][/quote]The flag pole should not be higher than 4.5 metres or 14. 8 feet approx By George
  • Score: -1

8:34am Sat 26 Jul 14

Peaceful Majority says...

Stop the Jew-Hatred​ and Build Palestine

by Tarek Fatah

"Whichever side of the Arab-Israeli conflict one stands on, you cannot deny the courage and perseverance of the Palestinian people.

For generations, they have lived as stateless citizens, on one hand standing up to Israel, which controls their day-to-day lives, and on the other enduring their own leadership, which has betrayed them at every opportunity.

It is sad to see their century-long quest for statehood crippled by the evil of Hamas, which has turned the legitimate Palestinian national struggle into an Islamic Jihad against Jews.

Gaza could have become a showcase of Arab enlightenment and enterprise after Israel withdrew from the territory in 2005. It could have become a tourism haven and a crucible for learning and arts, science and technology.

Instead, Gaza has become a one-party Islamic dictatorship under Hamas, dedicated to the destruction of the Jewish state of Israel.

Thousands of precious lives have been lost in this macabre display of hatred disguised as piety.

Its not just Israeli Jews that have been targeted for death. Palestinians opposed to Hamas have been massacred to consolidate its power.

On Nov. 12, 2007 Hamas gunmen fired on a rally organized by Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas' Fatah party inside a Gaza stadium, at an event held to commemorate the late Yasser Arafat. Many were killed. To the horror of the world, Hamas gunmen butchered Fatah fighters, throwing wounded men from the roof of a 15-storey building to their deaths.

In the current clash between Israel and Hamas, another ceasefire will soon come into effect. The Americans and the United Nations will pour in millions of dollars to re-build bombed out infrastructure.

But who will tell the Palestinians to get off the path of self-destruction? Who will convince the Palestinian Islamists to stop dreaming of destroying Israel and start building the future of their own people?

Let me give it a try.

Palestinians must reflect on why, after struggling for 100 years, their dream of statehood remains unfulfilled? They need to ask themselves why tiny countries under occupation by larger foes have become independent nations, while Palestinian statehood remains out of reach.

Let us look at four examples.

East Timor: For 400 years it was colonized by Portugal and in 1975 occupied by Indonesia. The one million, mostly Catholic, Timorese fought a long, bitter guerrilla war under Fretilin (Revolutionary Front of Independent East Timor) for freedom from the huge country of Islamic Indonesia, with a 300 million population. In 2002, East Timor won independence as the last Indonesian soldier left.

Eritrea: Located in the Horn of Africa, Eritrea was annexed by its southern and larger neighbour, Ethiopia, in 1962. This triggered a 30-year guerrilla war that involved hijackings and assassinations, scarring an entire generation. However, in 1991 after a UN-supervised referendum, Eritrea gained its independence.

Then there were the independence struggles of two Islamic countries that fought for and found statehood—Banglade
sh in 1971 and Kosovo in 2008.

In all four cases, these national liberation movements wanted their own freedom, not the destruction of the countries that occupied their land.

East Timor didn't want to destroy Indonesia. Kosovo had no interest in wiping Serbia off the map.

When Palestinians stop chanting for the death of Jews and Israel, and start working to secure their own state, they will achieve it.

Palestinians have demonstrated courage and perseverance. What they need now, is wisdom."

Tarek S. Fatah is a founder of the Muslim Canadian Congress, a columnist at Toronto Sun, host of a Sunday afternoon talk show on Toronto's NewsTalk1010 AM Radio, and a fellow at the Middle East Forum. He is the author of two award-winning books: Chasing a Mirage: The Tragic Illusion of an Islamic State and The Jew is Not My Enemy: Unveiling the Myths that Fuel Muslim Anti-Semitism.
Stop the Jew-Hatred​ and Build Palestine by Tarek Fatah "Whichever side of the Arab-Israeli conflict one stands on, you cannot deny the courage and perseverance of the Palestinian people. For generations, they have lived as stateless citizens, on one hand standing up to Israel, which controls their day-to-day lives, and on the other enduring their own leadership, which has betrayed them at every opportunity. It is sad to see their century-long quest for statehood crippled by the evil of Hamas, which has turned the legitimate Palestinian national struggle into an Islamic Jihad against Jews. Gaza could have become a showcase of Arab enlightenment and enterprise after Israel withdrew from the territory in 2005. It could have become a tourism haven and a crucible for learning and arts, science and technology. Instead, Gaza has become a one-party Islamic dictatorship under Hamas, dedicated to the destruction of the Jewish state of Israel. Thousands of precious lives have been lost in this macabre display of hatred disguised as piety. Its not just Israeli Jews that have been targeted for death. Palestinians opposed to Hamas have been massacred to consolidate its power. On Nov. 12, 2007 Hamas gunmen fired on a rally organized by Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas' Fatah party inside a Gaza stadium, at an event held to commemorate the late Yasser Arafat. Many were killed. To the horror of the world, Hamas gunmen butchered Fatah fighters, throwing wounded men from the roof of a 15-storey building to their deaths. In the current clash between Israel and Hamas, another ceasefire will soon come into effect. The Americans and the United Nations will pour in millions of dollars to re-build bombed out infrastructure. But who will tell the Palestinians to get off the path of self-destruction? Who will convince the Palestinian Islamists to stop dreaming of destroying Israel and start building the future of their own people? Let me give it a try. Palestinians must reflect on why, after struggling for 100 years, their dream of statehood remains unfulfilled? They need to ask themselves why tiny countries under occupation by larger foes have become independent nations, while Palestinian statehood remains out of reach. Let us look at four examples. East Timor: For 400 years it was colonized by Portugal and in 1975 occupied by Indonesia. The one million, mostly Catholic, Timorese fought a long, bitter guerrilla war under Fretilin (Revolutionary Front of Independent East Timor) for freedom from the huge country of Islamic Indonesia, with a 300 million population. In 2002, East Timor won independence as the last Indonesian soldier left. Eritrea: Located in the Horn of Africa, Eritrea was annexed by its southern and larger neighbour, Ethiopia, in 1962. This triggered a 30-year guerrilla war that involved hijackings and assassinations, scarring an entire generation. However, in 1991 after a UN-supervised referendum, Eritrea gained its independence. Then there were the independence struggles of two Islamic countries that fought for and found statehood—Banglade sh in 1971 and Kosovo in 2008. In all four cases, these national liberation movements wanted their own freedom, not the destruction of the countries that occupied their land. East Timor didn't want to destroy Indonesia. Kosovo had no interest in wiping Serbia off the map. When Palestinians stop chanting for the death of Jews and Israel, and start working to secure their own state, they will achieve it. Palestinians have demonstrated courage and perseverance. What they need now, is wisdom." Tarek S. Fatah is a founder of the Muslim Canadian Congress, a columnist at Toronto Sun, host of a Sunday afternoon talk show on Toronto's NewsTalk1010 AM Radio, and a fellow at the Middle East Forum. He is the author of two award-winning books: Chasing a Mirage: The Tragic Illusion of an Islamic State and The Jew is Not My Enemy: Unveiling the Myths that Fuel Muslim Anti-Semitism. Peaceful Majority
  • Score: 40

3:40pm Sat 26 Jul 14

afemale says...

Uncle Harry wrote:
Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting.

looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.
Hope some of the ignorant people who have commented on a matter which they so obviously know nothing about will have took the time to read this, well said and very well put and in simple terms too for the many simpletons who comment on here making complete A*******S of themselves
[quote][p][bold]Uncle Harry[/bold] wrote: Looks like some people commenting here do not know the history of this. Israel was created by United Kingdom who took someone else's land and give it to people who are called Jews believers in Judaism. Why ?? Because the jews were persicuted in the west and were promised a 'Holy Land' by the west & move them out of Europe, So they put them in a place called 'palestine', then the USA armed them to their teeth with Weapons of Mass Destruction & a nuclear arsenal & in Billions of US tax payers dollars every year to defend themselves. This so called defence turned into land grab, mass killing & ethic cleansing over 50 years. The palestinians are country less & are penned in by on all borders by Israel & Egypt therefore they cannot flee? A prison camp. The palestinians have no air space, this is controlled by Israel, the Palestinians do not control their Waters. The Palestinians do not have Fighter Jets nor they have an Army nor they have a Navy but yet they are subjected to this "military assault" on a people that are virtually defenceless in the face of the Agressor. They are fighting back with any means possible. Ask your government on their 'Foreign Policy' for the last hundred years & you may wake up instead of watching the bias BBC news and stop reading the sun as most media outlets are controlled by the Zionist. 'Israel now is a Zionist state' please update yourself with accurate information before posting. looks like some of you love to see women & children get massacred on a defenceless people. Shows how big a brain you people have.[/p][/quote]Hope some of the ignorant people who have commented on a matter which they so obviously know nothing about will have took the time to read this, well said and very well put and in simple terms too for the many simpletons who comment on here making complete A*******S of themselves afemale
  • Score: -33

1:45pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Replytohatersandscum says...

keggard wrote:
Aren't we told to take down the union jack as it might offend people yet nobody seems to telling him to take it down
who has told you to take your flag down please show proof of this **** comment bet you dont even own a flag
[quote][p][bold]keggard[/bold] wrote: Aren't we told to take down the union jack as it might offend people yet nobody seems to telling him to take it down[/p][/quote]who has told you to take your flag down please show proof of this **** comment bet you dont even own a flag Replytohatersandscum
  • Score: -25

1:49pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Replytohatersandscum says...

CDJ1973 wrote:
the only flags that should be flown in this country are our flags, if they dont like our flags, then they should go back to where they come from and fly them there. Bloody joke!
scum boy he was born here where is he going to go you pathetic excuse for a human waste of space scum why dont you leave the country go live in the south of america with the kkk you will feel at home there
our and they shows your a scum
[quote][p][bold]CDJ1973[/bold] wrote: the only flags that should be flown in this country are our flags, if they dont like our flags, then they should go back to where they come from and fly them there. Bloody joke![/p][/quote]scum boy he was born here where is he going to go you pathetic excuse for a human waste of space scum why dont you leave the country go live in the south of america with the kkk you will feel at home there our and they shows your a scum Replytohatersandscum
  • Score: -28

1:52pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Replytohatersandscum says...

so many hating scum on here not one of you have his money or fame because your too busy hating
bet not one of you fly the union jack or england flag from your councill house and if you did no one would tell you to take it down so instead of hating go buy a flag and show your support lets see how many flags we see flying in bolton you SCUMS
so many hating scum on here not one of you have his money or fame because your too busy hating bet not one of you fly the union jack or england flag from your councill house and if you did no one would tell you to take it down so instead of hating go buy a flag and show your support lets see how many flags we see flying in bolton you SCUMS Replytohatersandscum
  • Score: -34

1:38am Mon 28 Jul 14

Lawlesschat says...

Lewis1945 wrote:
Peaceful Majority wrote:
Unfortunately, for both Islamic fanatics and Leftist (non-Islamic) fanatics, inconvenient facts and logic have never been allowed to stand in the way of crass demagoguery and incitement. It is far easier for Muslims to blame Israel for Palestinian deaths resulting from Hamas’s belligerence and provocations, than it is for them to scrutinize the deaths resulting from internecine squabbles amongst the sundry sects of their own religion, and to attempt to reflect on why so many of the world’s conflicts (and, most of the victims of those conflicts) involve adherents of this so-called “religion of peace.”
How fortunate it is that there are billions of dollars to be made from a perpetuation of conflict in the middle east. Why else would you put a Jewish state slap bang in the middle of a Muslim country. You would have to be a **** moron not to see what is going on.

"War Is A Racket" - Major General Smedley Butler
Beautiful response.

A simple conclusion to the issue is dismantle that illegal state, give back the land to it's rightful owners and send those who are looking for a promised land go back to Europe and just hope that another Nazi regime doesn't emerge. Seen as the West are now supportive of them I can't foresee a problem.
Build your temple somewhere is Germany. I'm sure they'll accept them with open arms.
Afterall, years of the relentless pedalling of sympathy by clever use of the media seemingly has worked.
I accept they once wanted you all dead but look how things have changed, the earopean Christians now look at you as friends and not lizards and demons.

Stupid people on here.

Fact, Israel is a war mongering state in place to act as a thorn in the Middle East.
[quote][p][bold]Lewis1945[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peaceful Majority[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately, for both Islamic fanatics and Leftist (non-Islamic) fanatics, inconvenient facts and logic have never been allowed to stand in the way of crass demagoguery and incitement. It is far easier for Muslims to blame Israel for Palestinian deaths resulting from Hamas’s belligerence and provocations, than it is for them to scrutinize the deaths resulting from internecine squabbles amongst the sundry sects of their own religion, and to attempt to reflect on why so many of the world’s conflicts (and, most of the victims of those conflicts) involve adherents of this so-called “religion of peace.”[/p][/quote]How fortunate it is that there are billions of dollars to be made from a perpetuation of conflict in the middle east. Why else would you put a Jewish state slap bang in the middle of a Muslim country. You would have to be a **** moron not to see what is going on. "War Is A Racket" - Major General Smedley Butler[/p][/quote]Beautiful response. A simple conclusion to the issue is dismantle that illegal state, give back the land to it's rightful owners and send those who are looking for a promised land go back to Europe and just hope that another Nazi regime doesn't emerge. Seen as the West are now supportive of them I can't foresee a problem. Build your temple somewhere is Germany. I'm sure they'll accept them with open arms. Afterall, years of the relentless pedalling of sympathy by clever use of the media seemingly has worked. I accept they once wanted you all dead but look how things have changed, the earopean Christians now look at you as friends and not lizards and demons. Stupid people on here. Fact, Israel is a war mongering state in place to act as a thorn in the Middle East. Lawlesschat
  • Score: -74

1:47am Mon 28 Jul 14

Lawlesschat says...

Liberate Philesteen .... Every last bit of it.

Palestinians, What a courageous, dignified people they are.
Examples to the world, we should be humbled by their resilience and bravery.

The flag should be raised in every corner of every UK town, village and city.

I'm gonna petition for one to be hung at Bolton council just like Preston council has done.
Liberate Philesteen .... Every last bit of it. Palestinians, What a courageous, dignified people they are. Examples to the world, we should be humbled by their resilience and bravery. The flag should be raised in every corner of every UK town, village and city. I'm gonna petition for one to be hung at Bolton council just like Preston council has done. Lawlesschat
  • Score: -43

2:30pm Mon 28 Jul 14

RogerDT says...

Lawlesschat wrote:
Liberate Philesteen .... Every last bit of it.

Palestinians, What a courageous, dignified people they are.
Examples to the world, we should be humbled by their resilience and bravery.

The flag should be raised in every corner of every UK town, village and city.

I'm gonna petition for one to be hung at Bolton council just like Preston council has done.
Hang one on your house & Amir might drop in for a brew.
[quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: Liberate Philesteen .... Every last bit of it. Palestinians, What a courageous, dignified people they are. Examples to the world, we should be humbled by their resilience and bravery. The flag should be raised in every corner of every UK town, village and city. I'm gonna petition for one to be hung at Bolton council just like Preston council has done.[/p][/quote]Hang one on your house & Amir might drop in for a brew. RogerDT
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