Horwich town centre becomes borough's biggest 20mph zone

Town council leader Kevin McKeon at the 20mph zone sign

Town council leader Kevin McKeon at the 20mph zone sign

First published in News The Bolton News: Photograph of the Author by , reporter

HORWICH town centre has become the biggest 20 miles per hour zone in the borough — after nearly £18,000 was spent on speed restrictions.

New signs have been put up in the town’s main shopping street, Lee Lane, as well as surrounding streets in a bid to make the area safer for shoppers and pedestrians.

The original plans were just for the main shopping area to be a 20mph zone, but town councillors, led by the Town Mayor of Horwich Cllr Richard Silvester called for the zone to be extended as far as Green Lane, where the electronic sign has been placed.

Town council leader Kevin McKeon said: “I think this is now the biggest zone after it was extended to go all the way to Green Lane, where a number of residents have complained about cars speeding, and we have Cllr Silvester to thank for pushing for that.

“When putting the plans forward, highways safety officers were surprised when they saw the statistics of how many accidents had happened in Lee Lane and the surrounding roads — I was surprised as well. You would think that traffic would slow because of the large numbers of pedestrians — but that has not always happened.”

Money for the scheme was made available by the Greater Manchester Casualty Reduction Partnership for street signs, painted road signs and a new electric sign in Green Lane.

The original proposal was advertised in April, 2014. The scheme cost an estimated £2,900 including staff costs and legal fees. The road markings and signs cost £15,000, funded by the Greater Manchester Casualty Reduction Partnership Award Fund.

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8:52am Sun 10 Aug 14

the judgement day says...

I don't think some signs will alter the behaviour of the small minority of idiots on the road, they won't for example slow down the members of our community that "celebrate" weddings by driving hired high power sports cars on our streets at racetrack speeds...
I don't think some signs will alter the behaviour of the small minority of idiots on the road, they won't for example slow down the members of our community that "celebrate" weddings by driving hired high power sports cars on our streets at racetrack speeds... the judgement day
  • Score: 11

9:20am Sun 10 Aug 14

Rememberscarborough says...

It's not just the drivers that are responsible. The amount of people who just walk in to the road without even looking to see what traffic is around is horrendous.

Even at 20mph idiotic people will still get run over if they don't care about their personal safety and I'd love to see what our councils are planning to do about that.
It's not just the drivers that are responsible. The amount of people who just walk in to the road without even looking to see what traffic is around is horrendous. Even at 20mph idiotic people will still get run over if they don't care about their personal safety and I'd love to see what our councils are planning to do about that. Rememberscarborough
  • Score: 26

9:37am Sun 10 Aug 14

JustBecause says...

More restriction for the car driver by primarily the coffin dodgers, who drive at 20mph constantly.
More restriction for the car driver by primarily the coffin dodgers, who drive at 20mph constantly. JustBecause
  • Score: 0

9:50am Sun 10 Aug 14

marco999 says...

And I have yet to see anyone actually pay any attention to the new speed limits. So the 'project' was intended to make Horwich town centre safer for shoppers and pedestrians? Horwich town centre is basically contained within Lee lane and Winter Hey lane. There is just ONE Pelican crossing on Lee Lane and NONE in Winter Hey lane so even in the extremely unlikely event that drivers stick to 20 mph, there are no places to safely cross the road!! Now I'm not a rocket scientist but if I had nearly 20 grand to spend on making the roads safer for pedestrians ....
And I have yet to see anyone actually pay any attention to the new speed limits. So the 'project' was intended to make Horwich town centre safer for shoppers and pedestrians? Horwich town centre is basically contained within Lee lane and Winter Hey lane. There is just ONE Pelican crossing on Lee Lane and NONE in Winter Hey lane so even in the extremely unlikely event that drivers stick to 20 mph, there are no places to safely cross the road!! Now I'm not a rocket scientist but if I had nearly 20 grand to spend on making the roads safer for pedestrians .... marco999
  • Score: 21

9:51am Sun 10 Aug 14

The Squire In Residence says...

I drive in and around Horwich regularly, and it seems a ridiculous amount of money to spend - especially when it has always been (and with the new housing predicted, will become worse) hard to drive anywhere near 30 in the first place!
For once I agree with RememberScarborough, pedestrian training would be a better avenue for the money to be spent on....
I drive in and around Horwich regularly, and it seems a ridiculous amount of money to spend - especially when it has always been (and with the new housing predicted, will become worse) hard to drive anywhere near 30 in the first place! For once I agree with RememberScarborough, pedestrian training would be a better avenue for the money to be spent on.... The Squire In Residence
  • Score: 18

10:08am Sun 10 Aug 14

Harkin about says...

Yet another complete waste of our money, how on earth are they going to enforce this ridiculous idea ?, and why is it actually needed as I don't recall the town centre of Horwich being an accident blackspot.

Have these councillors really now run out of ways to spend our money properly instead of half baked ideas.
Yet another complete waste of our money, how on earth are they going to enforce this ridiculous idea ?, and why is it actually needed as I don't recall the town centre of Horwich being an accident blackspot. Have these councillors really now run out of ways to spend our money properly instead of half baked ideas. Harkin about
  • Score: 13

11:49am Sun 10 Aug 14

Mick England says...

I have lived in Horwich for nearly 4 years and in that time I have never seen a traffic cop in the area, that was until yesterday when I saw two within 3 hours of each other. I would like to see the statistics on how many accidents have been caused through excessive speed, because I believe the new limit is only a statuatory money making instrument, aimed at offsetting the loss from the smart cars demise. Also the signs have been up for 6 months now before the legislation was passed, the council must have been in no doubt that the lowered limit would be passed, or it would've been £18,000 down the swanny, all they did after erecting the signs was cover them with black bin bags, so for such a bad accident blackspot, there hasn't been any visible speed signs for 6 months. Anyway legislation isn't law so who are they trying to fool?
I have lived in Horwich for nearly 4 years and in that time I have never seen a traffic cop in the area, that was until yesterday when I saw two within 3 hours of each other. I would like to see the statistics on how many accidents have been caused through excessive speed, because I believe the new limit is only a statuatory money making instrument, aimed at offsetting the loss from the smart cars demise. Also the signs have been up for 6 months now before the legislation was passed, the council must have been in no doubt that the lowered limit would be passed, or it would've been £18,000 down the swanny, all they did after erecting the signs was cover them with black bin bags, so for such a bad accident blackspot, there hasn't been any visible speed signs for 6 months. Anyway legislation isn't law so who are they trying to fool? Mick England
  • Score: 9

12:39pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Harkin about says...

Mick England wrote:
I have lived in Horwich for nearly 4 years and in that time I have never seen a traffic cop in the area, that was until yesterday when I saw two within 3 hours of each other. I would like to see the statistics on how many accidents have been caused through excessive speed, because I believe the new limit is only a statuatory money making instrument, aimed at offsetting the loss from the smart cars demise. Also the signs have been up for 6 months now before the legislation was passed, the council must have been in no doubt that the lowered limit would be passed, or it would've been £18,000 down the swanny, all they did after erecting the signs was cover them with black bin bags, so for such a bad accident blackspot, there hasn't been any visible speed signs for 6 months. Anyway legislation isn't law so who are they trying to fool?
And thats the point, they won't be able to use speed cameras or radar because the road is to short and has to many obstructions so it is completely unenforceable, and a waste of money.

I would guess the increase in Police was down to the recent spate of armed attacks on security vans around the area and not the speed restriction.
[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote: I have lived in Horwich for nearly 4 years and in that time I have never seen a traffic cop in the area, that was until yesterday when I saw two within 3 hours of each other. I would like to see the statistics on how many accidents have been caused through excessive speed, because I believe the new limit is only a statuatory money making instrument, aimed at offsetting the loss from the smart cars demise. Also the signs have been up for 6 months now before the legislation was passed, the council must have been in no doubt that the lowered limit would be passed, or it would've been £18,000 down the swanny, all they did after erecting the signs was cover them with black bin bags, so for such a bad accident blackspot, there hasn't been any visible speed signs for 6 months. Anyway legislation isn't law so who are they trying to fool?[/p][/quote]And thats the point, they won't be able to use speed cameras or radar because the road is to short and has to many obstructions so it is completely unenforceable, and a waste of money. I would guess the increase in Police was down to the recent spate of armed attacks on security vans around the area and not the speed restriction. Harkin about
  • Score: 3

1:59pm Sun 10 Aug 14

mega bolton fan says...

last year i tried to have a speed limit reduced near our childrens school,and the responce that i got from bolton council was it would cost to much and that there had not been enough incidents on that road to warrent the change in the speed limit even though we gave evidence that there had been nearly 20 near hits in 6 months and this was back up by the school.
They then advised that we will need to raise the money ourselfs after a few more meetings and forums they agreed to have a 20MPH speed limit in place at the start and end off school day, and this would reduce the risk.
So my question is why is a childs safety not as important as a very small town center and surrounding area, why not reduce the limit at Peak times and spend the money saved from this on more pressing and important matters around the whole town
last year i tried to have a speed limit reduced near our childrens school,and the responce that i got from bolton council was it would cost to much and that there had not been enough incidents on that road to warrent the change in the speed limit even though we gave evidence that there had been nearly 20 near hits in 6 months and this was back up by the school. They then advised that we will need to raise the money ourselfs after a few more meetings and forums they agreed to have a 20MPH speed limit in place at the start and end off school day, and this would reduce the risk. So my question is why is a childs safety not as important as a very small town center and surrounding area, why not reduce the limit at Peak times and spend the money saved from this on more pressing and important matters around the whole town mega bolton fan
  • Score: 7

4:28pm Sun 10 Aug 14

FreedomOfSpeech1945 says...

As long as I can still do 100 around rivi then it's ok :D
As long as I can still do 100 around rivi then it's ok :D FreedomOfSpeech1945
  • Score: -2

4:36pm Sun 10 Aug 14

artistpaint says...

That busymain road running throu horwich town centre.stinks of polution.and the pavements 2 narrow.pedestrian the whole town centre its a great little village full of individual little shops but the traffic is ruining it.
That busymain road running throu horwich town centre.stinks of polution.and the pavements 2 narrow.pedestrian the whole town centre its a great little village full of individual little shops but the traffic is ruining it. artistpaint
  • Score: 0

5:15pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Mick England says...

Harkin about wrote:
Mick England wrote:
I have lived in Horwich for nearly 4 years and in that time I have never seen a traffic cop in the area, that was until yesterday when I saw two within 3 hours of each other. I would like to see the statistics on how many accidents have been caused through excessive speed, because I believe the new limit is only a statuatory money making instrument, aimed at offsetting the loss from the smart cars demise. Also the signs have been up for 6 months now before the legislation was passed, the council must have been in no doubt that the lowered limit would be passed, or it would've been £18,000 down the swanny, all they did after erecting the signs was cover them with black bin bags, so for such a bad accident blackspot, there hasn't been any visible speed signs for 6 months. Anyway legislation isn't law so who are they trying to fool?
And thats the point, they won't be able to use speed cameras or radar because the road is to short and has to many obstructions so it is completely unenforceable, and a waste of money.

I would guess the increase in Police was down to the recent spate of armed attacks on security vans around the area and not the speed restriction.
Traffic police don't deal with anything other than traffic legislation, traffic police are statute chasers, nothing more.
[quote][p][bold]Harkin about[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote: I have lived in Horwich for nearly 4 years and in that time I have never seen a traffic cop in the area, that was until yesterday when I saw two within 3 hours of each other. I would like to see the statistics on how many accidents have been caused through excessive speed, because I believe the new limit is only a statuatory money making instrument, aimed at offsetting the loss from the smart cars demise. Also the signs have been up for 6 months now before the legislation was passed, the council must have been in no doubt that the lowered limit would be passed, or it would've been £18,000 down the swanny, all they did after erecting the signs was cover them with black bin bags, so for such a bad accident blackspot, there hasn't been any visible speed signs for 6 months. Anyway legislation isn't law so who are they trying to fool?[/p][/quote]And thats the point, they won't be able to use speed cameras or radar because the road is to short and has to many obstructions so it is completely unenforceable, and a waste of money. I would guess the increase in Police was down to the recent spate of armed attacks on security vans around the area and not the speed restriction.[/p][/quote]Traffic police don't deal with anything other than traffic legislation, traffic police are statute chasers, nothing more. Mick England
  • Score: 4

5:17pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Mick England says...

artistpaint wrote:
That busymain road running throu horwich town centre.stinks of polution.and the pavements 2 narrow.pedestrian the whole town centre its a great little village full of individual little shops but the traffic is ruining it.
Your spelling is atrocious which would tend to suggest you're uneducated or English isn't your first language, by the way do you live in Horwich?
[quote][p][bold]artistpaint[/bold] wrote: That busymain road running throu horwich town centre.stinks of polution.and the pavements 2 narrow.pedestrian the whole town centre its a great little village full of individual little shops but the traffic is ruining it.[/p][/quote]Your spelling is atrocious which would tend to suggest you're uneducated or English isn't your first language, by the way do you live in Horwich? Mick England
  • Score: 2

5:19pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Mick England says...

artistpaint wrote:
That busymain road running throu horwich town centre.stinks of polution.and the pavements 2 narrow.pedestrian the whole town centre its a great little village full of individual little shops but the traffic is ruining it.
Did you go to school?
[quote][p][bold]artistpaint[/bold] wrote: That busymain road running throu horwich town centre.stinks of polution.and the pavements 2 narrow.pedestrian the whole town centre its a great little village full of individual little shops but the traffic is ruining it.[/p][/quote]Did you go to school? Mick England
  • Score: 3

5:27pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Harkin about says...

Mick England wrote:
Harkin about wrote:
Mick England wrote:
I have lived in Horwich for nearly 4 years and in that time I have never seen a traffic cop in the area, that was until yesterday when I saw two within 3 hours of each other. I would like to see the statistics on how many accidents have been caused through excessive speed, because I believe the new limit is only a statuatory money making instrument, aimed at offsetting the loss from the smart cars demise. Also the signs have been up for 6 months now before the legislation was passed, the council must have been in no doubt that the lowered limit would be passed, or it would've been £18,000 down the swanny, all they did after erecting the signs was cover them with black bin bags, so for such a bad accident blackspot, there hasn't been any visible speed signs for 6 months. Anyway legislation isn't law so who are they trying to fool?
And thats the point, they won't be able to use speed cameras or radar because the road is to short and has to many obstructions so it is completely unenforceable, and a waste of money.

I would guess the increase in Police was down to the recent spate of armed attacks on security vans around the area and not the speed restriction.
Traffic police don't deal with anything other than traffic legislation, traffic police are statute chasers, nothing more.
Think your wrong Mick, they deal with everything, but no copper will be able to enforce these ridiculous speed limits.
[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harkin about[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote: I have lived in Horwich for nearly 4 years and in that time I have never seen a traffic cop in the area, that was until yesterday when I saw two within 3 hours of each other. I would like to see the statistics on how many accidents have been caused through excessive speed, because I believe the new limit is only a statuatory money making instrument, aimed at offsetting the loss from the smart cars demise. Also the signs have been up for 6 months now before the legislation was passed, the council must have been in no doubt that the lowered limit would be passed, or it would've been £18,000 down the swanny, all they did after erecting the signs was cover them with black bin bags, so for such a bad accident blackspot, there hasn't been any visible speed signs for 6 months. Anyway legislation isn't law so who are they trying to fool?[/p][/quote]And thats the point, they won't be able to use speed cameras or radar because the road is to short and has to many obstructions so it is completely unenforceable, and a waste of money. I would guess the increase in Police was down to the recent spate of armed attacks on security vans around the area and not the speed restriction.[/p][/quote]Traffic police don't deal with anything other than traffic legislation, traffic police are statute chasers, nothing more.[/p][/quote]Think your wrong Mick, they deal with everything, but no copper will be able to enforce these ridiculous speed limits. Harkin about
  • Score: 1

6:14pm Sun 10 Aug 14

artistpaint says...

Mick england.focus on the point.have you got refugee status yet.guess it must b frustrating.
Mick england.focus on the point.have you got refugee status yet.guess it must b frustrating. artistpaint
  • Score: -1

6:24pm Sun 10 Aug 14

artistpaint says...

Mike eng.did you lose family in 1st n 2nd world war.
Mike eng.did you lose family in 1st n 2nd world war. artistpaint
  • Score: -4

6:44pm Sun 10 Aug 14

artistpaint says...

Doubt it.mr england
Doubt it.mr england artistpaint
  • Score: -4

9:42pm Sun 10 Aug 14

andy5747 says...

It will not be our problem when they bugger off to Chorley.
It will not be our problem when they bugger off to Chorley. andy5747
  • Score: 1

9:07am Mon 11 Aug 14

Boltonresident2012 says...

Mick England wrote:
artistpaint wrote:
That busymain road running throu horwich town centre.stinks of polution.and the pavements 2 narrow.pedestrian the whole town centre its a great little village full of individual little shops but the traffic is ruining it.
Your spelling is atrocious which would tend to suggest you're uneducated or English isn't your first language, by the way do you live in Horwich?
It is so easy to belittle others. Your own grammar is appalling. I would suggest you check the grammar 'rules' about beginning sentences with 'also' and 'anyway' before scoring cheap points.
[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]artistpaint[/bold] wrote: That busymain road running throu horwich town centre.stinks of polution.and the pavements 2 narrow.pedestrian the whole town centre its a great little village full of individual little shops but the traffic is ruining it.[/p][/quote]Your spelling is atrocious which would tend to suggest you're uneducated or English isn't your first language, by the way do you live in Horwich?[/p][/quote]It is so easy to belittle others. Your own grammar is appalling. I would suggest you check the grammar 'rules' about beginning sentences with 'also' and 'anyway' before scoring cheap points. Boltonresident2012
  • Score: 0

9:10am Mon 11 Aug 14

ghijkl says...

The 20 MPH electronic sign has been on Green Lane for ages, but has never been switched on. Green Lane and Pennine Road would be better off with speed bumps to slow the maniac drivers down, they're never going to take notice of a few 20mph signs on posts or painted on the roads the biggest culprits being BUS drivers.. Waste of money.
The 20 MPH electronic sign has been on Green Lane for ages, but has never been switched on. Green Lane and Pennine Road would be better off with speed bumps to slow the maniac drivers down, they're never going to take notice of a few 20mph signs on posts or painted on the roads the biggest culprits being BUS drivers.. Waste of money. ghijkl
  • Score: 2

11:32am Mon 11 Aug 14

deehat says...

Apparently a pedestrian crossing is planned for Winter Hey Lane somewhere around the Dentist area, bit close to the junction in my opinion but due to be built soon.
I lived in Horwich for 65 years and still return 2/3 times a week and never saw much need for the 20mph stuff.
Regarding the 20mph zone - I now live on Ladybridge and there has been one such zone in operation for a considerable time on the whole length of Armadale Road which circles the estate, it is mostly disregarded by drivers including last week - a local Police car! There is a speed sign that has been in operation for several years and as you drive past it at 30mph it flashes up 'Thank You' four months after the 20mph zone was introduced!
Like most things these days it is pointless unless you have monitoring and penalties for abuses, for instance drive anywhere at night and see the number of vehicles with faulty lighting and you soon realise Police are very thin on the ground, if there at all!!
Apparently a pedestrian crossing is planned for Winter Hey Lane somewhere around the Dentist area, bit close to the junction in my opinion but due to be built soon. I lived in Horwich for 65 years and still return 2/3 times a week and never saw much need for the 20mph stuff. Regarding the 20mph zone - I now live on Ladybridge and there has been one such zone in operation for a considerable time on the whole length of Armadale Road which circles the estate, it is mostly disregarded by drivers including last week - a local Police car! There is a speed sign that has been in operation for several years and as you drive past it at 30mph it flashes up 'Thank You' four months after the 20mph zone was introduced! Like most things these days it is pointless unless you have monitoring and penalties for abuses, for instance drive anywhere at night and see the number of vehicles with faulty lighting and you soon realise Police are very thin on the ground, if there at all!! deehat
  • Score: 2

3:17pm Wed 13 Aug 14

A ninja storm says...

Cllr Richard Silvester top bloke :)
Cllr Richard Silvester top bloke :) A ninja storm
  • Score: 0

9:20pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Steven Chadwick says...

Ridiculous to have 2 of the 3 main roads in Horwich 20mph. Residential streets by all means make sense, but there needs to be significantly more signage, particularly at the northern end of town to advise the change in speed. Also a couple of streets (Hopwood & Douglas Avenue to name just 2) appear to have NO signage at all! Love how the dirt track up to Rivvy is still 30mph though, can you even get cars up there!?
Ridiculous to have 2 of the 3 main roads in Horwich 20mph. Residential streets by all means make sense, but there needs to be significantly more signage, particularly at the northern end of town to advise the change in speed. Also a couple of streets (Hopwood & Douglas Avenue to name just 2) appear to have NO signage at all! Love how the dirt track up to Rivvy is still 30mph though, can you even get cars up there!? Steven Chadwick
  • Score: 2

9:22pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Steven Chadwick says...

Good of Bolton Council erect 20MPH signage near the old market before the consultation period ended! Very democratic!
Good of Bolton Council erect 20MPH signage near the old market before the consultation period ended! Very democratic! Steven Chadwick
  • Score: 2

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