NAMED: Bradshaw Conservative councillor Mudasir Dean comes clean over failure to pay council tax on time

Bradshaw councillor, Cllr Mudasir Dean, who has admitted to being one of the two who failed to pay their council tax on time.

Bradshaw councillor, Cllr Mudasir Dean, who has admitted to being one of the two who failed to pay their council tax on time.

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ONE of two Bolton councillors who failed to pay their council tax on time has come clean — after a two-year legal fight by The Bolton News to name the pair.

Bradshaw councillor Mudasir Dean — who once stood as a prospective Tory MP — last night apologised to voters but said he would not stand down over the issue.

The 43-year-old, who said he fell behind with his council tax after losing his job, was one of two Bolton councillors summoned to court over late payment.

The other councillor is a Labour member — but the party’s leader Cllr Cliff Morris said he did not know their identity.

Cllr Dean finally spoke out yesterday — despite a 21-month legal battle between Bolton Council and The Bolton News resulting in a top judge saying that naming the councillors would infringe their human rights.

He said: “I am one of the two Bolton councillors referred to in recent press coverage concerning the late payment of council tax.

“I would like to apologise for any misunderstanding or upset caused.

“I decided to come forward for the sake of transparency and because speculation as to the identity of the two councillors has been unfair to council colleagues.”

Cllr Dean was ordered to go to court for unpaid tax in 2011/12 and 2012/13 — but he avoided a court appearance by settling his bill on both occasions.

The Tory councillor’s admission comes after The Bolton News used freedom of information laws back in October, 2012 to ask Bolton Council if any councillors had been summoned to court about unpaid council tax.

The council said there were two — one Labour and one Conservative — and that they were ordered to go to court to explain the non-payment of a total of £4,660.

But council chiefs refused to reveal the names of the two councillors — citing data protection laws.


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Both councillors paid their taxes late — avoiding embarrassing court appearances.

The council wrote to both Cllr Dean and the other councillor in April, 2013 to ask if they were prepared to be named — but both refused.

The Bolton News then appealed to the council, the Information Commissioners’ Office and the First Tier Tribunal as part of a 21-month legal fight — but all organisations ruled the councillors were entitled to privacy, with the tribunal saying that naming them would infringe their human rights.

Cllr Dean said his problems began in March, 2011 when he lost his job at a community-cohesion project in Bury.

Between April, 2011 and March, 2012, he was summoned to court for not paying £1,331 council tax — he was not a councillor at the time.

The summons was withdrawn when Cllr Dean paid the full amount in a lump sum in March, 2012.

Cllr Dean won his Bradshaw seat in May, 2012, but received another court summons between April, 2012 and March, 2013 for not paying £1,353 in rates.

The order was again withdrawn when Cllr Dean agreed a payment plan with the council.

Cllr Dean, who said he had been under no obligation to come clean, added: “I would like to make three important points.

“Firstly, the news story concerns the late payment of council tax instalments and not the non-payment of council tax.

“I have always paid council tax owing in full and I have not been in arrears at any point in 2013/14 or the present 2014/15 council tax year.

“Secondly, there were pressing personal and financial reasons for the late payment of some of my council tax instalments.

“These reasons included losing my job in March, 2011 and having a young family to support.

“And thirdly, I did not attend or vote at any budget meetings during the period I was in arrears.

“Therefore, there was never any conflict of interest in my role as a councillor.

“I very much hope this draws a line under the issue.

“I look forward to continuing my work to make Bolton a better place for local residents.”

Since the tribunal’s ruling, Conservative councillors who paid their bills on time have grown angry at having the finger pointed at them, prompting Cllr Dean to break his silence.

It is understood he was due to tell his fellow Tories about his tax problems last night.

Labour leader Cllr Morris said the issue would be raised at the next meeting of the Labour group and that it would be down to the individual as to whether they wished to make themselves known.

It is a criminal offence for councillors who miss two council tax instalments in one tax year to vote on the council’s budget for the following year — however, Cllr Dean did not attend the full council budget meeting in February, 2013.

Tory leader Cllr Greenhalgh said: “I wholeheartedly believe that councillors should set an example to residents and behave responsibly and I hope people will look beyond the sensational headlines and look at the facts and the individual circumstances of Cllr Dean’s case.

“It has never been about non-payment. It has been about late payment.

“I welcome the action that he has taken by coming forward and ending speculation. He has now given an explanation to the people of Bolton and more importantly, to the residents he represents.”

In profile: Mudasir Dean

MUDASIR Dean was born in Bolton after his grandfather emigrated from India in the 1920s.

The 43-year-old’s grandfather was one of the first Asians to set up home in Bolton and he ran a homeopathic surgery based in the centre of Rochdale.

Cllr Dean successfully completed a BA (Hons) in business administration at the University of Bolton and later worked in local government.

In 2009, he announced that he would be representating the Conservative Party, standing in the Rochdale Parliamentary seat, ultimately finishing third behind Labour and the Lib Dems in the 2010 General Election.

In May, 2012, he finally tasted political success, gaining 1,584 votes in the Bradshaw ward — and won a seat on Bolton Council.

In April this year, he put forward a motion suggesting that all schools in Bolton should fly the Union Flag and sing the national anthem, a motion that was passed by the council and later copied by other authorities around the UK.

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7:36am Tue 12 Aug 14

angus macoatup says...

RESIGN !!!!!
RESIGN !!!!! angus macoatup
  • Score: 40

7:39am Tue 12 Aug 14

Lee3695 says...

An interesting development, especially after he had previously refused to be named and seemed to resist all attempts to be identified yet the rest of us would be named if we did the same thing. Even those suspected of a crime get named well in advance of actually being found guilty or even going to trial, yet tax defaulting councilors can not be named. That said, at least he has identified himself. Wonder if his Labour colleague will do the same thing and make an admission? Seems even stranger that the Councilor Morris claims not to know who this person is, even though they could represent a conflict of interest.
An interesting development, especially after he had previously refused to be named and seemed to resist all attempts to be identified yet the rest of us would be named if we did the same thing. Even those suspected of a crime get named well in advance of actually being found guilty or even going to trial, yet tax defaulting councilors can not be named. That said, at least he has identified himself. Wonder if his Labour colleague will do the same thing and make an admission? Seems even stranger that the Councilor Morris claims not to know who this person is, even though they could represent a conflict of interest. Lee3695
  • Score: 81

8:08am Tue 12 Aug 14

Bob Shaftoe says...

Here we go, one comment deleted already.

Where's that pradagucci bird?
Here we go, one comment deleted already. Where's that pradagucci bird? Bob Shaftoe
  • Score: 15

8:09am Tue 12 Aug 14

heaton watcher says...

I applaud him for (eventually) standing up and admitting his misdeeds. Hopefully the Labour councillor will do the same and they can all get on with more important things!
I applaud him for (eventually) standing up and admitting his misdeeds. Hopefully the Labour councillor will do the same and they can all get on with more important things! heaton watcher
  • Score: 35

8:13am Tue 12 Aug 14

Balboa says...

Can't ever imagine a labour councillor admitting his guilt. Whilst I can't "applaud" the other fella, at least he has admitted his guilt publicly.
Can't ever imagine a labour councillor admitting his guilt. Whilst I can't "applaud" the other fella, at least he has admitted his guilt publicly. Balboa
  • Score: 56

8:21am Tue 12 Aug 14

Soffee says...

Before all the hateful comments start at least he has admitted his wrong doings. We all make mistakes. I'm sure if everyone's mistakes were published in the paper he wouldn't look like such a bad man. Although I'm not condoning his original actions.
Before all the hateful comments start at least he has admitted his wrong doings. We all make mistakes. I'm sure if everyone's mistakes were published in the paper he wouldn't look like such a bad man. Although I'm not condoning his original actions. Soffee
  • Score: 20

8:25am Tue 12 Aug 14

thomas222 says...

Has this Bloke now got a job as a Comedian he is hilarious.
Has this Bloke now got a job as a Comedian he is hilarious. thomas222
  • Score: -4

8:31am Tue 12 Aug 14

The Squire In Residence says...

It is my understanding that the other councillor is not a 'he'....but I could be wrong.... but doubt it. Narrows it down slightly.
It is my understanding that the other councillor is not a 'he'....but I could be wrong.... but doubt it. Narrows it down slightly. The Squire In Residence
  • Score: 17

8:43am Tue 12 Aug 14

oneangryfella says...

I have never commented on this site put feel absolutely angered to today after seeing this article.
Now I cut my ties with the Tory party along time ago so this is not a "Pro Tory" rant!! What has this man done wrong? What has he done? NOTHING!! He has simply gone through what probably hundreds of Bolton residents have gone through, yet Bully boy Bolton Council seem to turn on their "Family" when things go pear shaped financially!! What a disgusting witch hunt this paper has carried out, its hardly MP's expenses is it!! It would be sickening if Cllr Dean was asked to step down as he is one shining light out of a group of councillors of all Political colour that simply should not be there. Cllr Dean is not just a good Cllr, he is a decent and good man, a credit to the Asian community and to Bolton. He has done nothing wrong but be a victim of circumstance. Some of you should try it sometime it is not nice!!
I have never commented on this site put feel absolutely angered to today after seeing this article. Now I cut my ties with the Tory party along time ago so this is not a "Pro Tory" rant!! What has this man done wrong? What has he done? NOTHING!! He has simply gone through what probably hundreds of Bolton residents have gone through, yet Bully boy Bolton Council seem to turn on their "Family" when things go pear shaped financially!! What a disgusting witch hunt this paper has carried out, its hardly MP's expenses is it!! It would be sickening if Cllr Dean was asked to step down as he is one shining light out of a group of councillors of all Political colour that simply should not be there. Cllr Dean is not just a good Cllr, he is a decent and good man, a credit to the Asian community and to Bolton. He has done nothing wrong but be a victim of circumstance. Some of you should try it sometime it is not nice!! oneangryfella
  • Score: 15

8:44am Tue 12 Aug 14

mattaiuseire says...

He wasn't avoiding paying it, he just paid it late. What is the fuss all about?
This is hardly a scandal. What about the dodgy MP's who claim ridiculous expenses?

He admitted he was in financial hardship and has a family to support - well excuse me but if I was in the same boat my kids would come first and foremost - and I would put my house on everybody else having the same opinion.
He wasn't avoiding paying it, he just paid it late. What is the fuss all about? This is hardly a scandal. What about the dodgy MP's who claim ridiculous expenses? He admitted he was in financial hardship and has a family to support - well excuse me but if I was in the same boat my kids would come first and foremost - and I would put my house on everybody else having the same opinion. mattaiuseire
  • Score: 23

9:02am Tue 12 Aug 14

thomas222 says...

oneangryfella wrote:
I have never commented on this site put feel absolutely angered to today after seeing this article.
Now I cut my ties with the Tory party along time ago so this is not a "Pro Tory" rant!! What has this man done wrong? What has he done? NOTHING!! He has simply gone through what probably hundreds of Bolton residents have gone through, yet Bully boy Bolton Council seem to turn on their "Family" when things go pear shaped financially!! What a disgusting witch hunt this paper has carried out, its hardly MP's expenses is it!! It would be sickening if Cllr Dean was asked to step down as he is one shining light out of a group of councillors of all Political colour that simply should not be there. Cllr Dean is not just a good Cllr, he is a decent and good man, a credit to the Asian community and to Bolton. He has done nothing wrong but be a victim of circumstance. Some of you should try it sometime it is not nice!!
Its not what he did its they way he tried to hide himself using the already abused Human Rights act thats annoyed People.
[quote][p][bold]oneangryfella[/bold] wrote: I have never commented on this site put feel absolutely angered to today after seeing this article. Now I cut my ties with the Tory party along time ago so this is not a "Pro Tory" rant!! What has this man done wrong? What has he done? NOTHING!! He has simply gone through what probably hundreds of Bolton residents have gone through, yet Bully boy Bolton Council seem to turn on their "Family" when things go pear shaped financially!! What a disgusting witch hunt this paper has carried out, its hardly MP's expenses is it!! It would be sickening if Cllr Dean was asked to step down as he is one shining light out of a group of councillors of all Political colour that simply should not be there. Cllr Dean is not just a good Cllr, he is a decent and good man, a credit to the Asian community and to Bolton. He has done nothing wrong but be a victim of circumstance. Some of you should try it sometime it is not nice!![/p][/quote]Its not what he did its they way he tried to hide himself using the already abused Human Rights act thats annoyed People. thomas222
  • Score: 24

9:03am Tue 12 Aug 14

MarkAllRead says...

angus macoatup wrote:
RESIGN !!!!!
Why?
[quote][p][bold]angus macoatup[/bold] wrote: RESIGN !!!!![/p][/quote]Why? MarkAllRead
  • Score: 3

9:10am Tue 12 Aug 14

Thatissowrong says...

It's clear the reason for coming clean in public is due to peer pressure from his political colleagues and not for any altruistic reasons.
It's clear the reason for coming clean in public is due to peer pressure from his political colleagues and not for any altruistic reasons. Thatissowrong
  • Score: 20

9:24am Tue 12 Aug 14

atlas123 says...

MarkAllRead wrote:
angus macoatup wrote:
RESIGN !!!!!
Why?
Why should he resign?

I have fallen behind with my council tax in the past, more due to my lack of organization and sorting out paying it than for any other reason.

Does this mean I should never stand for election?
[quote][p][bold]MarkAllRead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus macoatup[/bold] wrote: RESIGN !!!!![/p][/quote]Why?[/p][/quote]Why should he resign? I have fallen behind with my council tax in the past, more due to my lack of organization and sorting out paying it than for any other reason. Does this mean I should never stand for election? atlas123
  • Score: -5

9:46am Tue 12 Aug 14

655321 says...

Thatissowrong wrote:
It's clear the reason for coming clean in public is due to peer pressure from his political colleagues and not for any altruistic reasons.
Is the correct answer.
[quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: It's clear the reason for coming clean in public is due to peer pressure from his political colleagues and not for any altruistic reasons.[/p][/quote]Is the correct answer. 655321
  • Score: 14

9:50am Tue 12 Aug 14

BlueRay79 says...

Notice the Liebour councillor hasn't come forward. They train 'em well for lies and deceit.
Notice the Liebour councillor hasn't come forward. They train 'em well for lies and deceit. BlueRay79
  • Score: 23

9:56am Tue 12 Aug 14

renovatedhouserunner says...

oneangryfella wrote:
I have never commented on this site put feel absolutely angered to today after seeing this article.
Now I cut my ties with the Tory party along time ago so this is not a "Pro Tory" rant!! What has this man done wrong? What has he done? NOTHING!! He has simply gone through what probably hundreds of Bolton residents have gone through, yet Bully boy Bolton Council seem to turn on their "Family" when things go pear shaped financially!! What a disgusting witch hunt this paper has carried out, its hardly MP's expenses is it!! It would be sickening if Cllr Dean was asked to step down as he is one shining light out of a group of councillors of all Political colour that simply should not be there. Cllr Dean is not just a good Cllr, he is a decent and good man, a credit to the Asian community and to Bolton. He has done nothing wrong but be a victim of circumstance. Some of you should try it sometime it is not nice!!
What bull, he was dodging paying because he thought he could get away with it, trying to use his position which the public voted him into. Nobody else has family and struggles to pay bills do they! Taking advantage of the town, we need rid of leaches like this.
[quote][p][bold]oneangryfella[/bold] wrote: I have never commented on this site put feel absolutely angered to today after seeing this article. Now I cut my ties with the Tory party along time ago so this is not a "Pro Tory" rant!! What has this man done wrong? What has he done? NOTHING!! He has simply gone through what probably hundreds of Bolton residents have gone through, yet Bully boy Bolton Council seem to turn on their "Family" when things go pear shaped financially!! What a disgusting witch hunt this paper has carried out, its hardly MP's expenses is it!! It would be sickening if Cllr Dean was asked to step down as he is one shining light out of a group of councillors of all Political colour that simply should not be there. Cllr Dean is not just a good Cllr, he is a decent and good man, a credit to the Asian community and to Bolton. He has done nothing wrong but be a victim of circumstance. Some of you should try it sometime it is not nice!![/p][/quote]What bull, he was dodging paying because he thought he could get away with it, trying to use his position which the public voted him into. Nobody else has family and struggles to pay bills do they! Taking advantage of the town, we need rid of leaches like this. renovatedhouserunner
  • Score: -6

10:05am Tue 12 Aug 14

Donkey Stone says...

MarkAllRead wrote:
angus macoatup wrote:
RESIGN !!!!!
Why?
For wasting public money hiding himself. Courts aren't cheap.
[quote][p][bold]MarkAllRead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus macoatup[/bold] wrote: RESIGN !!!!![/p][/quote]Why?[/p][/quote]For wasting public money hiding himself. Courts aren't cheap. Donkey Stone
  • Score: 19

10:11am Tue 12 Aug 14

Donkey Stone says...

Serial late payer. paid the first time in a lump sum, that tells me he had the money and just decided to keep it for as long as he could. He should be made to pay all the costs of all proceedings. Then I will believe his remorse.
Serial late payer. paid the first time in a lump sum, that tells me he had the money and just decided to keep it for as long as he could. He should be made to pay all the costs of all proceedings. Then I will believe his remorse. Donkey Stone
  • Score: 18

10:13am Tue 12 Aug 14

DAUBHILLISRUINED says...

Bring back the birch...lol :-)
Bring back the birch...lol :-) DAUBHILLISRUINED
  • Score: 9

10:20am Tue 12 Aug 14

Gerron says...

I have known Mudasir for a number of years, in business and outside of the business community. He has done many good things for Bolton and is a great ambassador for the town. Unfortunately he lost his job and obviously needed time to get back on track. A good family man and example to others. This is a private matter but he has chosen to show himself. Falling behind with bills is not a crime and we need to take question how we view this type of thing. There is a difference between can't pay and won't pay.
I have known Mudasir for a number of years, in business and outside of the business community. He has done many good things for Bolton and is a great ambassador for the town. Unfortunately he lost his job and obviously needed time to get back on track. A good family man and example to others. This is a private matter but he has chosen to show himself. Falling behind with bills is not a crime and we need to take question how we view this type of thing. There is a difference between can't pay and won't pay. Gerron
  • Score: 8

10:21am Tue 12 Aug 14

Endoxa says...

This makes my blood boil! Firstly, the guy pays late (only when costs are incurred to summons him) TWO YEARS RUNNING. Then he tries to avoid being named. Finally, when under pressure from his colleagues (rightly so), he argues that he's done nothing wrong and acts like a victim because of unemployment. Well, guess what, he's not the only one who's lost his job and STILL had to sort out his financial affairs - it's called getting council tax benefit (or reduction) if you qualify - i.e. IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY. You don't just ignore it! More fool the people of Bradshaw if they continue to vote for this individual (but as Tories they probably agree with him - some evidence of this in the comments already posted).
This makes my blood boil! Firstly, the guy pays late (only when costs are incurred to summons him) TWO YEARS RUNNING. Then he tries to avoid being named. Finally, when under pressure from his colleagues (rightly so), he argues that he's done nothing wrong and acts like a victim because of unemployment. Well, guess what, he's not the only one who's lost his job and STILL had to sort out his financial affairs - it's called getting council tax benefit (or reduction) if you qualify - i.e. IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY. You don't just ignore it! More fool the people of Bradshaw if they continue to vote for this individual (but as Tories they probably agree with him - some evidence of this in the comments already posted). Endoxa
  • Score: 24

10:24am Tue 12 Aug 14

Rob111 says...

If voting on the council budget when you are in arrears is a criminal act. How do we know therefore that such a criminal act has not taken place by the labour councillor? By coming forward, for whatever reason, we now know that councillor Dean has not committed this particular criminal act. But the other councillor should be reported to the police so that a possible criminal act can be investigated.
Words fail me with respect to councillor Morris! In a league of countries and organisations who are not fit for purpose with respect to democracy and transparency he has put Bolton council up there with the likes of FIFA and Russia. Every time I see his beaming picture on some spin or self/council grandissment I see Sep Blatter! Need I say more. Ps I am a labour supporter.
If voting on the council budget when you are in arrears is a criminal act. How do we know therefore that such a criminal act has not taken place by the labour councillor? By coming forward, for whatever reason, we now know that councillor Dean has not committed this particular criminal act. But the other councillor should be reported to the police so that a possible criminal act can be investigated. Words fail me with respect to councillor Morris! In a league of countries and organisations who are not fit for purpose with respect to democracy and transparency he has put Bolton council up there with the likes of FIFA and Russia. Every time I see his beaming picture on some spin or self/council grandissment I see Sep Blatter! Need I say more. Ps I am a labour supporter. Rob111
  • Score: 16

10:35am Tue 12 Aug 14

Rob111 says...

Just an additional thought on the criminal act issue. By not revealing the name if they know it and a criminal act has occurred , could not the labour councillors be also possibly guilty of aiding and abetting and perverting the course of justice! In fact any councillor if they knew the name could be allegedly guilty- maybe the whole sorry band of councillors. Makes you think doesn't it? Tho given they were not fined for their non / late! payment I suspect it is one law for them and one law for us.
Just an additional thought on the criminal act issue. By not revealing the name if they know it and a criminal act has occurred , could not the labour councillors be also possibly guilty of aiding and abetting and perverting the course of justice! In fact any councillor if they knew the name could be allegedly guilty- maybe the whole sorry band of councillors. Makes you think doesn't it? Tho given they were not fined for their non / late! payment I suspect it is one law for them and one law for us. Rob111
  • Score: 14

10:45am Tue 12 Aug 14

breightmet kid says...

This man is a joke. He is a Councillor who should know better, he tells the Council Tax payers that they must pay, he supports recovery action against people who like him lost their jobs and didnt pay and he must have known about the benefits system. No excuses whatsoever.

Perhaps he has something more to hide, perhaps he isnt paying his Income Tax, do HMRC know about this man.

There is no excuss and who wants to hear his lame excuses. He didnt pay, he should have been named, as should the Labour councillor.

These people are public persons and not to pay your Council Tax is stealing from the public purse.
This man is a joke. He is a Councillor who should know better, he tells the Council Tax payers that they must pay, he supports recovery action against people who like him lost their jobs and didnt pay and he must have known about the benefits system. No excuses whatsoever. Perhaps he has something more to hide, perhaps he isnt paying his Income Tax, do HMRC know about this man. There is no excuss and who wants to hear his lame excuses. He didnt pay, he should have been named, as should the Labour councillor. These people are public persons and not to pay your Council Tax is stealing from the public purse. breightmet kid
  • Score: 19

10:50am Tue 12 Aug 14

woadtom says...

The most probable truth is he lives in a house worth ££££££ has got £££££ in his bank balance, which no doubt he has had for several years, He is no doubt short of a few quid, bet he drives a nice car or two or three. + holidays here and there, you know what i am trying to say.... If it was me or Mr & Mrs Smith or old Mr Jones we and they would have been named, shamed, fined. Its one set of rules, one set of laws. The Smiths, the Jones's, the Me's, the You's have all got no chance. The people like him, will survive.
There is most probably a lot more councilors, politicians, and the like's who will always get away with things..
The most probable truth is he lives in a house worth ££££££ has got £££££ in his bank balance, which no doubt he has had for several years, He is no doubt short of a few quid, bet he drives a nice car or two or three. + holidays here and there, you know what i am trying to say.... If it was me or Mr & Mrs Smith or old Mr Jones we and they would have been named, shamed, fined. Its one set of rules, one set of laws. The Smiths, the Jones's, the Me's, the You's have all got no chance. The people like him, will survive. There is most probably a lot more councilors, politicians, and the like's who will always get away with things.. woadtom
  • Score: 19

10:53am Tue 12 Aug 14

Djorkaeff's right peg says...

Too many chiefs and not enough indians on the gravy train. There are many positions in the public sector that quangos occupy and they are completely unnecessary! Britain needs to reminisce of its industrious past and realise that these suited/booted hooray henry's are equally as detrimental to the economy as the uneducated, docile, dole dossing sloths.

There is so much corruption and a lack of transparency as Rob111 points out and it is nauseating. If nobody knew about councillors/politici
ans' scams and scandals, and it wasn't publicised, they would gladly continue doing it anonymously. Only when they are cauught do they feel the urge to come clean and use the sympathy card. I am sure there wouldn't be as much leniency if it was Joe Bloggs from Breightmet.
Too many chiefs and not enough indians on the gravy train. There are many positions in the public sector that quangos occupy and they are completely unnecessary! Britain needs to reminisce of its industrious past and realise that these suited/booted hooray henry's are equally as detrimental to the economy as the uneducated, docile, dole dossing sloths. There is so much corruption and a lack of transparency as Rob111 points out and it is nauseating. If nobody knew about councillors/politici ans' scams and scandals, and it wasn't publicised, they would gladly continue doing it anonymously. Only when they are cauught do they feel the urge to come clean and use the sympathy card. I am sure there wouldn't be as much leniency if it was Joe Bloggs from Breightmet. Djorkaeff's right peg
  • Score: 18

11:08am Tue 12 Aug 14

bolton cat says...

bolton taxpayers are lambs among wolves and the councillors are wolves sheeps clothing . so much for the "bolton family ", when you get the family members protected for human rights ?......if any of the public did the same there would be a rogues gallery in the bolton news naming and shaming with one sided reportage on the issue ! . gravy train tactics again ..If it's not M.P.'s in westminster with their expenses , it's others closer to home !.
this country is corrupt throughout and the contagion is spreading !
bolton taxpayers are lambs among wolves and the councillors are wolves sheeps clothing . so much for the "bolton family ", when you get the family members protected for human rights ?......if any of the public did the same there would be a rogues gallery in the bolton news naming and shaming with one sided reportage on the issue ! . gravy train tactics again ..If it's not M.P.'s in westminster with their expenses , it's others closer to home !. this country is corrupt throughout and the contagion is spreading ! bolton cat
  • Score: 16

11:14am Tue 12 Aug 14

the judgement day says...

If he can't be organised enough to pay his bills on time how can the people of Bradshaw trust him to look after their interests, as George Galloway said about George Bush Jnr."how can a man who can't be trusted with a bottle of beer be trusted with the big red button"
If he can't be organised enough to pay his bills on time how can the people of Bradshaw trust him to look after their interests, as George Galloway said about George Bush Jnr."how can a man who can't be trusted with a bottle of beer be trusted with the big red button" the judgement day
  • Score: 16

11:38am Tue 12 Aug 14

Donkey Stone says...

Just deduct council taxes from councillors payments. Simple.
Just deduct council taxes from councillors payments. Simple. Donkey Stone
  • Score: 13

11:48am Tue 12 Aug 14

atlas123 says...

woadtom wrote:
The most probable truth is he lives in a house worth ££££££ has got £££££ in his bank balance, which no doubt he has had for several years, He is no doubt short of a few quid, bet he drives a nice car or two or three. + holidays here and there, you know what i am trying to say.... If it was me or Mr & Mrs Smith or old Mr Jones we and they would have been named, shamed, fined. Its one set of rules, one set of laws. The Smiths, the Jones's, the Me's, the You's have all got no chance. The people like him, will survive.
There is most probably a lot more councilors, politicians, and the like's who will always get away with things..
Assuming the £1331 is the full years tax, that puts him band C.

Looking up on the internet *note to BN this is information in the public domain* Musadir Ahmed Dean lives at 80 Somerton Road, Breightmet which is pleasant but not opulant.

He also has two company directorships, both relatively new startups with no web presence.
[quote][p][bold]woadtom[/bold] wrote: The most probable truth is he lives in a house worth ££££££ has got £££££ in his bank balance, which no doubt he has had for several years, He is no doubt short of a few quid, bet he drives a nice car or two or three. + holidays here and there, you know what i am trying to say.... If it was me or Mr & Mrs Smith or old Mr Jones we and they would have been named, shamed, fined. Its one set of rules, one set of laws. The Smiths, the Jones's, the Me's, the You's have all got no chance. The people like him, will survive. There is most probably a lot more councilors, politicians, and the like's who will always get away with things..[/p][/quote]Assuming the £1331 is the full years tax, that puts him band C. Looking up on the internet *note to BN this is information in the public domain* Musadir Ahmed Dean lives at 80 Somerton Road, Breightmet which is pleasant but not opulant. He also has two company directorships, both relatively new startups with no web presence. atlas123
  • Score: 6

12:05pm Tue 12 Aug 14

BlueRay79 says...

Gerron wrote:
I have known Mudasir for a number of years, in business and outside of the business community. He has done many good things for Bolton and is a great ambassador for the town. Unfortunately he lost his job and obviously needed time to get back on track. A good family man and example to others. This is a private matter but he has chosen to show himself. Falling behind with bills is not a crime and we need to take question how we view this type of thing. There is a difference between can't pay and won't pay.
Maybe, but why does he treat himself differently than the public? If a member of the public can't pay because they have lost a job, then they are named and shamed. Why does Mr Mudasir think it's OK to waste vast amounts of money to make sure his name is not shown?

It's good he has come forward, but the fact the he had to hide in the first place when he should lead by example is quite frankly disgusting.
[quote][p][bold]Gerron[/bold] wrote: I have known Mudasir for a number of years, in business and outside of the business community. He has done many good things for Bolton and is a great ambassador for the town. Unfortunately he lost his job and obviously needed time to get back on track. A good family man and example to others. This is a private matter but he has chosen to show himself. Falling behind with bills is not a crime and we need to take question how we view this type of thing. There is a difference between can't pay and won't pay.[/p][/quote]Maybe, but why does he treat himself differently than the public? If a member of the public can't pay because they have lost a job, then they are named and shamed. Why does Mr Mudasir think it's OK to waste vast amounts of money to make sure his name is not shown? It's good he has come forward, but the fact the he had to hide in the first place when he should lead by example is quite frankly disgusting. BlueRay79
  • Score: 17

12:21pm Tue 12 Aug 14

atlas123 says...

Perhaps given that the Labour Councillor won't own up the electorate should just simply not vote for any of them...

Bolton's Labour elected reps

John Byrne
Linda Byrne
Kate Lewis
Sufrana Bashir-Ismail
Guy Harkin
Hanif Darvesh
Jean Gillies
Asif Ibraheim
Noel Spencer
Mohammed Ayhub
Mohammed Iqbal
Madaline Murray
Cliff Morris
Linda Thomas
Akhtar Zaman
Mike Francis
Champak Mistry
Ann Cunliffe
Steven Pickup
Alan Bury
Joyce "disabled parking bay" Kellett
Kevin Mckeown
Richard Silvester
Carol Burrows
Dereck Burrows
Liam Irving
Anthony Connell
David Evans
Rosa Kay
Ismail Ibrahim
Ebrahim Adia
Martin Donaghey
Nick Peel
Elaine Sherrington
Shaun Harkin
Christopher Peacock
David Chadwick
Kevan Jones
Anna Watters

Its only when you list them out like that you

A) Realise how many there are (That's £429k in basic allowance or 1/160th of the pothole backlog).
B) Realise how many you have never heard of and the must do nothing!
Perhaps given that the Labour Councillor won't own up the electorate should just simply not vote for any of them... Bolton's Labour elected reps John Byrne Linda Byrne Kate Lewis Sufrana Bashir-Ismail Guy Harkin Hanif Darvesh Jean Gillies Asif Ibraheim Noel Spencer Mohammed Ayhub Mohammed Iqbal Madaline Murray Cliff Morris Linda Thomas Akhtar Zaman Mike Francis Champak Mistry Ann Cunliffe Steven Pickup Alan Bury Joyce "disabled parking bay" Kellett Kevin Mckeown Richard Silvester Carol Burrows Dereck Burrows Liam Irving Anthony Connell David Evans Rosa Kay Ismail Ibrahim Ebrahim Adia Martin Donaghey Nick Peel Elaine Sherrington Shaun Harkin Christopher Peacock David Chadwick Kevan Jones Anna Watters Its only when you list them out like that you A) Realise how many there are (That's £429k in basic allowance or 1/160th of the pothole backlog). B) Realise how many you have never heard of and the must do nothing! atlas123
  • Score: 32

12:27pm Tue 12 Aug 14

BoltonLoyal says...

Who'da thought?
Who'da thought? BoltonLoyal
  • Score: 6

12:28pm Tue 12 Aug 14

nigella farrage says...

Blimey oreilly - does one have to spell it out?????

Under the freedom of information act it is easy enought o find out who voted/turned up at budget meetings etc etc and who didn't.

them from that short list it would shortened further as t which party the represent and then shortened further by quick public domain searches.

None of the lynch mob mentatlity that some are showing!!!
Blimey oreilly - does one have to spell it out????? Under the freedom of information act it is easy enought o find out who voted/turned up at budget meetings etc etc and who didn't. them from that short list it would shortened further as t which party the represent and then shortened further by quick public domain searches. None of the lynch mob mentatlity that some are showing!!! nigella farrage
  • Score: -8

12:38pm Tue 12 Aug 14

127001 says...

Never ruin an apology with an excuse.
Never ruin an apology with an excuse. 127001
  • Score: 17

12:47pm Tue 12 Aug 14

cliff4treasurer says...

I bet he didn't expect the support on here from the usual suspects?
This is what makes Britain great.
Good on him for coming clean, he didn't have to did he.
I am a ukip voter not a tory.
I bet he didn't expect the support on here from the usual suspects? This is what makes Britain great. Good on him for coming clean, he didn't have to did he. I am a ukip voter not a tory. cliff4treasurer
  • Score: -2

12:48pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Lee3695 says...

oneangryfella wrote:
I have never commented on this site put feel absolutely angered to today after seeing this article. Now I cut my ties with the Tory party along time ago so this is not a "Pro Tory" rant!! What has this man done wrong? What has he done? NOTHING!! He has simply gone through what probably hundreds of Bolton residents have gone through, yet Bully boy Bolton Council seem to turn on their "Family" when things go pear shaped financially!! What a disgusting witch hunt this paper has carried out, its hardly MP's expenses is it!! It would be sickening if Cllr Dean was asked to step down as he is one shining light out of a group of councillors of all Political colour that simply should not be there. Cllr Dean is not just a good Cllr, he is a decent and good man, a credit to the Asian community and to Bolton. He has done nothing wrong but be a victim of circumstance. Some of you should try it sometime it is not nice!!
I don't think the issue here is his unfortunate circumstances, of which he is certainly not unique. What is the issue is that he hid behind his position, which was used as a reason not to disclose his identity, even though anyone else would have been named. it is also strange that he could not afford two years worth of taxes when they were raised but could afford a single lump-sunm payment, although there may be perfectly legitimate reasons for this. What is certainly the issue is the perception that politicians can hide behind thier positions to avoid public scrutiny yet the ordinary citizen can not.
[quote][p][bold]oneangryfella[/bold] wrote: I have never commented on this site put feel absolutely angered to today after seeing this article. Now I cut my ties with the Tory party along time ago so this is not a "Pro Tory" rant!! What has this man done wrong? What has he done? NOTHING!! He has simply gone through what probably hundreds of Bolton residents have gone through, yet Bully boy Bolton Council seem to turn on their "Family" when things go pear shaped financially!! What a disgusting witch hunt this paper has carried out, its hardly MP's expenses is it!! It would be sickening if Cllr Dean was asked to step down as he is one shining light out of a group of councillors of all Political colour that simply should not be there. Cllr Dean is not just a good Cllr, he is a decent and good man, a credit to the Asian community and to Bolton. He has done nothing wrong but be a victim of circumstance. Some of you should try it sometime it is not nice!![/p][/quote]I don't think the issue here is his unfortunate circumstances, of which he is certainly not unique. What is the issue is that he hid behind his position, which was used as a reason not to disclose his identity, even though anyone else would have been named. it is also strange that he could not afford two years worth of taxes when they were raised but could afford a single lump-sunm payment, although there may be perfectly legitimate reasons for this. What is certainly the issue is the perception that politicians can hide behind thier positions to avoid public scrutiny yet the ordinary citizen can not. Lee3695
  • Score: 18

12:55pm Tue 12 Aug 14

mrs philainsy says...

"The 43-year-old, who said he fell behind with his council tax after losing his job, was one of two Bolton councillors summoned to court over late payment."



Lost his job and down and out eh?
Well he looks affluent enough to me.

If this was some Council Estate Dad from Brieghtmet, Farnworth or New Bury, Bolton Council would have been baying for their Blood.


What a crock of @@@@.
"The 43-year-old, who said he fell behind with his council tax after losing his job, was one of two Bolton councillors summoned to court over late payment." Lost his job and down and out eh? Well he looks affluent enough to me. If this was some Council Estate Dad from Brieghtmet, Farnworth or New Bury, Bolton Council would have been baying for their Blood. What a crock of @@@@. mrs philainsy
  • Score: 19

1:45pm Tue 12 Aug 14

eileencoffey says...

well he has owned up at last but what about all the other non payers who were named and shamed. They have also lost their jobs. DLA, or dole monies. Has he forgotton that he gets paid a allowance for being on the council , and I am sure he must have received his allowance, so why did he not have it deducted at sourch???????
NO EXCUSE...RESIGN NOW AND HANG YOUR HEAD IN SHAME.
ONE RULE FOR ONE ANOTHER FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC
well he has owned up at last but what about all the other non payers who were named and shamed. They have also lost their jobs. DLA, or dole monies. Has he forgotton that he gets paid a allowance for being on the council , and I am sure he must have received his allowance, so why did he not have it deducted at sourch??????? NO EXCUSE...RESIGN NOW AND HANG YOUR HEAD IN SHAME. ONE RULE FOR ONE ANOTHER FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC eileencoffey
  • Score: 17

2:16pm Tue 12 Aug 14

OriginalAngryDad says...

I can't believe how many people on here have fallen for his lame excuses and are applauding is "integrity" in coming clean.

He got caught out for being less than honest, not once but TWICE!

This chancer has clearly been trying it on for years and I don't believe a word of his "sincere" apology and sob story about losing his job being the reason didn't pay up on time.

He should be suspended and then forced to resign - simple.
I can't believe how many people on here have fallen for his lame excuses and are applauding is "integrity" in coming clean. He got caught out for being less than honest, not once but TWICE! This chancer has clearly been trying it on for years and I don't believe a word of his "sincere" apology and sob story about losing his job being the reason didn't pay up on time. He should be suspended and then forced to resign - simple. OriginalAngryDad
  • Score: 22

2:35pm Tue 12 Aug 14

malcolm- t says...

Amazing - two councillors - one Tory one Labour.
One comes out and admits it is him and is vilified by the Bolton Family? But what about the Labour one who Cliff Morris does not know the identity of. If the leader of the council has no clue as to who it is even though the council of which he is leader is issuing summons to then he is unfit to be leader. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Amazing - two councillors - one Tory one Labour. One comes out and admits it is him and is vilified by the Bolton Family? But what about the Labour one who Cliff Morris does not know the identity of. If the leader of the council has no clue as to who it is even though the council of which he is leader is issuing summons to then he is unfit to be leader. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. malcolm- t
  • Score: 28

4:34pm Tue 12 Aug 14

patiodoors says...

The idea that Cliff Morris does not know the identity of the Labour councillor is quite simply a lie. Both the haha unknown Labour man and councillor Mudasir should resign IMMEDIATELY, since if it had been one of us 'joe publics' we would have been hung out to dry long long ago
The idea that Cliff Morris does not know the identity of the Labour councillor is quite simply a lie. Both the haha unknown Labour man and councillor Mudasir should resign IMMEDIATELY, since if it had been one of us 'joe publics' we would have been hung out to dry long long ago patiodoors
  • Score: 13

5:16pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Dolci Vita says...

No excuse for non payment. Why did it go on for so long and who let it go on for so long? Joe public would not get away with non payment.
The whole lot of them are to blame. Closing ranks I believe its called.
For two years he did not pay and did not care until his hand was forced.
The Bolton News did the right thing by reporting this and ultimately it became a case of tell before you get found out. Councillor Dean should RESIGN NOW.
Who is the Labour Councillor who did not pay?
No excuse for non payment. Why did it go on for so long and who let it go on for so long? Joe public would not get away with non payment. The whole lot of them are to blame. Closing ranks I believe its called. For two years he did not pay and did not care until his hand was forced. The Bolton News did the right thing by reporting this and ultimately it became a case of tell before you get found out. Councillor Dean should RESIGN NOW. Who is the Labour Councillor who did not pay? Dolci Vita
  • Score: 11

5:44pm Tue 12 Aug 14

pradagucci says...

Bob Shaftoe wrote:
Here we go, one comment deleted already.

Where's that pradagucci bird?
I'm here love. Sorry have I missed much?????? What we talking about? Xfactor? Britain's got talent? "What's new.......at the Bolton News".........do you like my new tagline?
[quote][p][bold]Bob Shaftoe[/bold] wrote: Here we go, one comment deleted already. Where's that pradagucci bird?[/p][/quote]I'm here love. Sorry have I missed much?????? What we talking about? Xfactor? Britain's got talent? "What's new.......at the Bolton News".........do you like my new tagline? pradagucci
  • Score: -5

5:45pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Citizen Cane says...

Councillor Dean should be applauded for FINALLY bowing to public/BN pressure to expose himself.

However, his explanation doe snot stack-up and is seemingly irresponsible. If in arrears because of personal circumstances, a responsible individual will arrange a sensible scheme to make settlement and he seemed to be able to make bullet payments no problem when threatened with court action.

His unwillingness to come forward has also resulted in the council using taxpayers money to protect their blushes - how much exactly? BN - please lodge a FoI request to find out : it will be a staggering sum and out of all proportion to the tardy payments - yet another reason for these two councillors to be named, shamed and resigned.

He was not a councillor when he first pulled a fast one in this respect and it is a disgrace that he became a councillor with that background unless it was fully disclosed to the electorate at the time they cast their votes.

This sort of sleazy behaviour should result in his resignation, IF he has any decency.
Councillor Dean should be applauded for FINALLY bowing to public/BN pressure to expose himself. However, his explanation doe snot stack-up and is seemingly irresponsible. If in arrears because of personal circumstances, a responsible individual will arrange a sensible scheme to make settlement and he seemed to be able to make bullet payments no problem when threatened with court action. His unwillingness to come forward has also resulted in the council using taxpayers money to protect their blushes - how much exactly? BN - please lodge a FoI request to find out : it will be a staggering sum and out of all proportion to the tardy payments - yet another reason for these two councillors to be named, shamed and resigned. He was not a councillor when he first pulled a fast one in this respect and it is a disgrace that he became a councillor with that background unless it was fully disclosed to the electorate at the time they cast their votes. This sort of sleazy behaviour should result in his resignation, IF he has any decency. Citizen Cane
  • Score: 12

5:57pm Tue 12 Aug 14

pradagucci says...

My view is, seeing as tho Bob shafted is demanded I speak. 1. Just bcoz he is a councilor does make not him rich, loads of us can fall behind if our circumstances change. The problem is in general the council don't give a sh## if you lose a job they just want paying! 2. He shouldn't have applied for a injunction, that made it look like he purposely dodged it but he didn't. 3. He don't exactly live in lostock or lady bridge and is certainly not a well off guy. 4. He's owned up, he didn't need to. 5. Hmmmm should he resign? 6. NO. And before Bob shafted jumps on me, I would have given the same view even if he was white and English like me!
My view is, seeing as tho Bob shafted is demanded I speak. 1. Just bcoz he is a councilor does make not him rich, loads of us can fall behind if our circumstances change. The problem is in general the council don't give a sh## if you lose a job they just want paying! 2. He shouldn't have applied for a injunction, that made it look like he purposely dodged it but he didn't. 3. He don't exactly live in lostock or lady bridge and is certainly not a well off guy. 4. He's owned up, he didn't need to. 5. Hmmmm should he resign? 6. NO. And before Bob shafted jumps on me, I would have given the same view even if he was white and English like me! pradagucci
  • Score: -16

5:57pm Tue 12 Aug 14

thedom.com says...

I am in shock .....
I am in shock ..... thedom.com
  • Score: -2

6:08pm Tue 12 Aug 14

pradagucci says...

thedom.com wrote:
I am in shock .....
Cant imagine how you must have felt when it was discovered Jimmy Saville was Britain's biggest pedo predator and did most of his crimes working for the BBC which people like you and me fund via the tv license.......the guy fell behind his payments, get over it.
[quote][p][bold]thedom.com[/bold] wrote: I am in shock .....[/p][/quote]Cant imagine how you must have felt when it was discovered Jimmy Saville was Britain's biggest pedo predator and did most of his crimes working for the BBC which people like you and me fund via the tv license.......the guy fell behind his payments, get over it. pradagucci
  • Score: -1

7:10pm Tue 12 Aug 14

the hand says...

And cliff jabba the hut Morris reckons he doesn't know which Labour party tax Dodgers it is well as leader of the party I'd say that's absolutely bull shut he knows they all know they all puss in the same pot
And cliff jabba the hut Morris reckons he doesn't know which Labour party tax Dodgers it is well as leader of the party I'd say that's absolutely bull shut he knows they all know they all puss in the same pot the hand
  • Score: 12

7:27pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Citizen Cane says...

The article does not specify from which employer he "lost" his job. Bolton council perhaps - in order to pursue a political career? A bit reckless in that case. There is no mention of anything but a public sector "career" and gaps in that story to boot. We should be told.
The article does not specify from which employer he "lost" his job. Bolton council perhaps - in order to pursue a political career? A bit reckless in that case. There is no mention of anything but a public sector "career" and gaps in that story to boot. We should be told. Citizen Cane
  • Score: 3

8:11pm Tue 12 Aug 14

artistpaint says...

Resign
Resign artistpaint
  • Score: 0

8:16pm Tue 12 Aug 14

artistpaint says...

What sort of example is this guy setting.if its a protest about c t why not come clean from the start.as we have seen theres far 2 many mps and there sidekick soldiers in it for an easybuck at the expense of the people
What sort of example is this guy setting.if its a protest about c t why not come clean from the start.as we have seen theres far 2 many mps and there sidekick soldiers in it for an easybuck at the expense of the people artistpaint
  • Score: 6

8:21pm Tue 12 Aug 14

artistpaint says...

Angusmcoatup.....why
..... hes a goverment worker and earns money from the taxpayer.he should be honest upfront and held to account
Angusmcoatup.....why ..... hes a goverment worker and earns money from the taxpayer.he should be honest upfront and held to account artistpaint
  • Score: 5

8:25pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Djorkaeff's right peg says...

Citizen Cane wrote:
The article does not specify from which employer he "lost" his job. Bolton council perhaps - in order to pursue a political career? A bit reckless in that case. There is no mention of anything but a public sector "career" and gaps in that story to boot. We should be told.
Observant and informative as always.
[quote][p][bold]Citizen Cane[/bold] wrote: The article does not specify from which employer he "lost" his job. Bolton council perhaps - in order to pursue a political career? A bit reckless in that case. There is no mention of anything but a public sector "career" and gaps in that story to boot. We should be told.[/p][/quote]Observant and informative as always. Djorkaeff's right peg
  • Score: 3

8:27pm Tue 12 Aug 14

tr1kky says...

I applaud him for coming forward, although I feel it's no one else's business but his!
It's not like he refused to pay it!
I'm sure lots of people have been in the same position were they have lost their job and fell behind on bills, inc council tax. I know I have!
He shouldn't t have to explain himself to the bolton news or us.
I'm behind on my council tax by a substantial amount that I'm slowly paying off due to being laid off from work.
In addition to being behind on my council tax I'm also behind on numerous other bills by substantial amounts and the bailiffs are involved!
And I know for a fact, I'm not the only one in this situation.
Can't believe the bolton news has wasted money trying to name and shame the poor man, would have been better spent on other things like REAL news. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
I applaud him for coming forward, although I feel it's no one else's business but his! It's not like he refused to pay it! I'm sure lots of people have been in the same position were they have lost their job and fell behind on bills, inc council tax. I know I have! He shouldn't t have to explain himself to the bolton news or us. I'm behind on my council tax by a substantial amount that I'm slowly paying off due to being laid off from work. In addition to being behind on my council tax I'm also behind on numerous other bills by substantial amounts and the bailiffs are involved! And I know for a fact, I'm not the only one in this situation. Can't believe the bolton news has wasted money trying to name and shame the poor man, would have been better spent on other things like REAL news. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz tr1kky
  • Score: -5

8:42pm Tue 12 Aug 14

tr1kky says...

And for all you do gooders out there, have you ever tried to reason with bolton council over paying off late council tax payments?
Majority of you, probably not! Bolton council are the worst council for taking you to court and handing you over to bailiffs, they give you hardly any time, will only take what they see is a reasonable amount, regardless of your circumstances or finances and are totally inflexible with help!!
Bolton council are running bolton into the ground, they are forcing people into living, hand to mouth. Feeding at soup kitchens and having to get free food from charity hand out places. Bolton has turned into a charity shop and pound shop haven and a ghost town because bolton council are greedy, over pricing for retail rent, and car parking etc the only people you see around bolton town centre are people signing on and traffic wardens!!
And for all you do gooders out there, have you ever tried to reason with bolton council over paying off late council tax payments? Majority of you, probably not! Bolton council are the worst council for taking you to court and handing you over to bailiffs, they give you hardly any time, will only take what they see is a reasonable amount, regardless of your circumstances or finances and are totally inflexible with help!! Bolton council are running bolton into the ground, they are forcing people into living, hand to mouth. Feeding at soup kitchens and having to get free food from charity hand out places. Bolton has turned into a charity shop and pound shop haven and a ghost town because bolton council are greedy, over pricing for retail rent, and car parking etc the only people you see around bolton town centre are people signing on and traffic wardens!! tr1kky
  • Score: 11

9:24pm Tue 12 Aug 14

artistpaint says...

Finally come clean......what a joke.
Finally come clean......what a joke. artistpaint
  • Score: 3

9:28pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Dolci Vita says...

Bolton has become a dump. Look around. Its dirty and not a pleasant place to be. The labour council has done nothing to make our town an attraction or to encourage others to visit the town. They have failed...Too much to discuss here about their shortcomings.
The council is insular, self seeking and out for themselves! - not good for the town or democracy.
It protects miscreants, hence this post re: Councillor Dean. He should be sacked. Would you want a cheat to represent you?
Get rid of the present council, use your vote and elect a party who will really put the people of Bolton first.
Bolton has become a dump. Look around. Its dirty and not a pleasant place to be. The labour council has done nothing to make our town an attraction or to encourage others to visit the town. They have failed...Too much to discuss here about their shortcomings. The council is insular, self seeking and out for themselves! - not good for the town or democracy. It protects miscreants, hence this post re: Councillor Dean. He should be sacked. Would you want a cheat to represent you? Get rid of the present council, use your vote and elect a party who will really put the people of Bolton first. Dolci Vita
  • Score: 12

9:52pm Tue 12 Aug 14

pradagucci says...

Dolci Vita wrote:
Bolton has become a dump. Look around. Its dirty and not a pleasant place to be. The labour council has done nothing to make our town an attraction or to encourage others to visit the town. They have failed...Too much to discuss here about their shortcomings.
The council is insular, self seeking and out for themselves! - not good for the town or democracy.
It protects miscreants, hence this post re: Councillor Dean. He should be sacked. Would you want a cheat to represent you?
Get rid of the present council, use your vote and elect a party who will really put the people of Bolton first.
Should I become a councilor? Will you all vote for me? I promise to bring loads of cash into the hands of Boltonians. I will tax the rich dudes living in lostock and lady bridge and pump it all into the poorer areas. Also if you can genuinely prove you cannot afford to to pay the council tax I will get it wiped off. In terms of bills free solar panels for EVERY HOUSE. plus we use some of them farms to make solar farms and pump all that electricity into our homes. Should I progress or give up now?
[quote][p][bold]Dolci Vita[/bold] wrote: Bolton has become a dump. Look around. Its dirty and not a pleasant place to be. The labour council has done nothing to make our town an attraction or to encourage others to visit the town. They have failed...Too much to discuss here about their shortcomings. The council is insular, self seeking and out for themselves! - not good for the town or democracy. It protects miscreants, hence this post re: Councillor Dean. He should be sacked. Would you want a cheat to represent you? Get rid of the present council, use your vote and elect a party who will really put the people of Bolton first.[/p][/quote]Should I become a councilor? Will you all vote for me? I promise to bring loads of cash into the hands of Boltonians. I will tax the rich dudes living in lostock and lady bridge and pump it all into the poorer areas. Also if you can genuinely prove you cannot afford to to pay the council tax I will get it wiped off. In terms of bills free solar panels for EVERY HOUSE. plus we use some of them farms to make solar farms and pump all that electricity into our homes. Should I progress or give up now? pradagucci
  • Score: -4

10:07pm Tue 12 Aug 14

pradagucci says...

I have a dream......
I have a dream...... pradagucci
  • Score: -2

7:14am Wed 13 Aug 14

rostron says...

Unemployment can hit anyone, but people don't like how he hid behind a court order allowing him to hide, along with another person.
Morris didn't know who it was, thats a bit like someone not knowing about a demo being held in Crompton ward isn't it.
Do you think the people of Bolton are green round the gills, to listen to these lies. !
Unemployment can hit anyone, but people don't like how he hid behind a court order allowing him to hide, along with another person. Morris didn't know who it was, thats a bit like someone not knowing about a demo being held in Crompton ward isn't it. Do you think the people of Bolton are green round the gills, to listen to these lies. ! rostron
  • Score: 8

7:28am Wed 13 Aug 14

malcolm- t says...

pradagucci wrote:
Dolci Vita wrote:
Bolton has become a dump. Look around. Its dirty and not a pleasant place to be. The labour council has done nothing to make our town an attraction or to encourage others to visit the town. They have failed...Too much to discuss here about their shortcomings.
The council is insular, self seeking and out for themselves! - not good for the town or democracy.
It protects miscreants, hence this post re: Councillor Dean. He should be sacked. Would you want a cheat to represent you?
Get rid of the present council, use your vote and elect a party who will really put the people of Bolton first.
Should I become a councilor? Will you all vote for me? I promise to bring loads of cash into the hands of Boltonians. I will tax the rich dudes living in lostock and lady bridge and pump it all into the poorer areas. Also if you can genuinely prove you cannot afford to to pay the council tax I will get it wiped off. In terms of bills free solar panels for EVERY HOUSE. plus we use some of them farms to make solar farms and pump all that electricity into our homes. Should I progress or give up now?
So Tony Blair IS STILL ALIVE - HELP
[quote][p][bold]pradagucci[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dolci Vita[/bold] wrote: Bolton has become a dump. Look around. Its dirty and not a pleasant place to be. The labour council has done nothing to make our town an attraction or to encourage others to visit the town. They have failed...Too much to discuss here about their shortcomings. The council is insular, self seeking and out for themselves! - not good for the town or democracy. It protects miscreants, hence this post re: Councillor Dean. He should be sacked. Would you want a cheat to represent you? Get rid of the present council, use your vote and elect a party who will really put the people of Bolton first.[/p][/quote]Should I become a councilor? Will you all vote for me? I promise to bring loads of cash into the hands of Boltonians. I will tax the rich dudes living in lostock and lady bridge and pump it all into the poorer areas. Also if you can genuinely prove you cannot afford to to pay the council tax I will get it wiped off. In terms of bills free solar panels for EVERY HOUSE. plus we use some of them farms to make solar farms and pump all that electricity into our homes. Should I progress or give up now?[/p][/quote]So Tony Blair IS STILL ALIVE - HELP malcolm- t
  • Score: 4

8:50am Wed 13 Aug 14

nigella farrage says...

TO be fair, did he hide behind a court ruling or was he advised to do so by council chiefs?

If anything, just like a private company would, bad news reports does have a detrimental effect on a company, so to keep it as quiet as possible, and to create damage limitation the council would have advised the two councillors to let them look after everything.


As it is the so-xalled damage limitation execise has created a whole new mess, not just for the council or teh BN but for other councils and local/national papers.
TO be fair, did he hide behind a court ruling or was he advised to do so by council chiefs? If anything, just like a private company would, bad news reports does have a detrimental effect on a company, so to keep it as quiet as possible, and to create damage limitation the council would have advised the two councillors to let them look after everything. As it is the so-xalled damage limitation execise has created a whole new mess, not just for the council or teh BN but for other councils and local/national papers. nigella farrage
  • Score: 1

10:46pm Wed 13 Aug 14

DAUBHILLISRUINED says...

pradagucci wrote:
I have a dream......
I can't help but think that you might achieve a bit more if you didn't spend so much time dreaming. !!! :-)
[quote][p][bold]pradagucci[/bold] wrote: I have a dream......[/p][/quote]I can't help but think that you might achieve a bit more if you didn't spend so much time dreaming. !!! :-) DAUBHILLISRUINED
  • Score: 3

1:29am Thu 14 Aug 14

dameous says...

pradagucci wrote:
Dolci Vita wrote:
Bolton has become a dump. Look around. Its dirty and not a pleasant place to be. The labour council has done nothing to make our town an attraction or to encourage others to visit the town. They have failed...Too much to discuss here about their shortcomings.
The council is insular, self seeking and out for themselves! - not good for the town or democracy.
It protects miscreants, hence this post re: Councillor Dean. He should be sacked. Would you want a cheat to represent you?
Get rid of the present council, use your vote and elect a party who will really put the people of Bolton first.
Should I become a councilor? Will you all vote for me? I promise to bring loads of cash into the hands of Boltonians. I will tax the rich dudes living in lostock and lady bridge and pump it all into the poorer areas. Also if you can genuinely prove you cannot afford to to pay the council tax I will get it wiped off. In terms of bills free solar panels for EVERY HOUSE. plus we use some of them farms to make solar farms and pump all that electricity into our homes. Should I progress or give up now?
Your ideas are intriguing to me and i wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
[quote][p][bold]pradagucci[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dolci Vita[/bold] wrote: Bolton has become a dump. Look around. Its dirty and not a pleasant place to be. The labour council has done nothing to make our town an attraction or to encourage others to visit the town. They have failed...Too much to discuss here about their shortcomings. The council is insular, self seeking and out for themselves! - not good for the town or democracy. It protects miscreants, hence this post re: Councillor Dean. He should be sacked. Would you want a cheat to represent you? Get rid of the present council, use your vote and elect a party who will really put the people of Bolton first.[/p][/quote]Should I become a councilor? Will you all vote for me? I promise to bring loads of cash into the hands of Boltonians. I will tax the rich dudes living in lostock and lady bridge and pump it all into the poorer areas. Also if you can genuinely prove you cannot afford to to pay the council tax I will get it wiped off. In terms of bills free solar panels for EVERY HOUSE. plus we use some of them farms to make solar farms and pump all that electricity into our homes. Should I progress or give up now?[/p][/quote]Your ideas are intriguing to me and i wish to subscribe to your newsletter. dameous
  • Score: -1

8:23pm Fri 15 Aug 14

sandals_wearer says...

For those saying Joe Public would have been named and shamed, that simply isn't true. This case hasn't been about councillors being afforded more privacy than the public, but about the Bolton News seeking through a Freedom of Information request to have them given less privacy than the public.

Bolton Council hasn't "named and shamed" since the days of the Poll Tax, and would quite rightly refuse an FoI request for the names of non-councillor tax defaulters. If you don't believe me, read the Information Commissioner's ruling at http://ico.org.uk/~/
media/documents/deci
sionnotices/2014/fs_
50499885.ashx and the Tribunal judgement at http://www.informati
ontribunal.gov.uk/DB
Files/Decision/i1323
/Haslam,%20Dale%20EA
.2014.0029%20(03.07.
14).pdf

If you still don't believe me, try getting defaulters' names from the council through FoI.
For those saying Joe Public would have been named and shamed, that simply isn't true. This case hasn't been about councillors being afforded more privacy than the public, but about the Bolton News seeking through a Freedom of Information request to have them given less privacy than the public. Bolton Council hasn't "named and shamed" since the days of the Poll Tax, and would quite rightly refuse an FoI request for the names of non-councillor tax defaulters. If you don't believe me, read the Information Commissioner's ruling at http://ico.org.uk/~/ media/documents/deci sionnotices/2014/fs_ 50499885.ashx and the Tribunal judgement at http://www.informati ontribunal.gov.uk/DB Files/Decision/i1323 /Haslam,%20Dale%20EA .2014.0029%20(03.07. 14).pdf If you still don't believe me, try getting defaulters' names from the council through FoI. sandals_wearer
  • Score: -2

12:40pm Sat 16 Aug 14

collthorn says...

Lee3695 wrote:
oneangryfella wrote:
I have never commented on this site put feel absolutely angered to today after seeing this article. Now I cut my ties with the Tory party along time ago so this is not a "Pro Tory" rant!! What has this man done wrong? What has he done? NOTHING!! He has simply gone through what probably hundreds of Bolton residents have gone through, yet Bully boy Bolton Council seem to turn on their "Family" when things go pear shaped financially!! What a disgusting witch hunt this paper has carried out, its hardly MP's expenses is it!! It would be sickening if Cllr Dean was asked to step down as he is one shining light out of a group of councillors of all Political colour that simply should not be there. Cllr Dean is not just a good Cllr, he is a decent and good man, a credit to the Asian community and to Bolton. He has done nothing wrong but be a victim of circumstance. Some of you should try it sometime it is not nice!!
I don't think the issue here is his unfortunate circumstances, of which he is certainly not unique. What is the issue is that he hid behind his position, which was used as a reason not to disclose his identity, even though anyone else would have been named. it is also strange that he could not afford two years worth of taxes when they were raised but could afford a single lump-sunm payment, although there may be perfectly legitimate reasons for this. What is certainly the issue is the perception that politicians can hide behind thier positions to avoid public scrutiny yet the ordinary citizen can not.
Very well said, and the fact that these Councillors are in a position of power is frightening. I accept that people from their own community are in a better position to personally see what might be needed in this town. But I feel that being a councillor should require interviews and appropriate experience and qualification's same as any position of control. As it is it seems more about who you know and the ability to talk the talk. Any Micky Mouse candidate would get in on the back of Labour in Farnworth, I can think of one that did just that
[quote][p][bold]Lee3695[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oneangryfella[/bold] wrote: I have never commented on this site put feel absolutely angered to today after seeing this article. Now I cut my ties with the Tory party along time ago so this is not a "Pro Tory" rant!! What has this man done wrong? What has he done? NOTHING!! He has simply gone through what probably hundreds of Bolton residents have gone through, yet Bully boy Bolton Council seem to turn on their "Family" when things go pear shaped financially!! What a disgusting witch hunt this paper has carried out, its hardly MP's expenses is it!! It would be sickening if Cllr Dean was asked to step down as he is one shining light out of a group of councillors of all Political colour that simply should not be there. Cllr Dean is not just a good Cllr, he is a decent and good man, a credit to the Asian community and to Bolton. He has done nothing wrong but be a victim of circumstance. Some of you should try it sometime it is not nice!![/p][/quote]I don't think the issue here is his unfortunate circumstances, of which he is certainly not unique. What is the issue is that he hid behind his position, which was used as a reason not to disclose his identity, even though anyone else would have been named. it is also strange that he could not afford two years worth of taxes when they were raised but could afford a single lump-sunm payment, although there may be perfectly legitimate reasons for this. What is certainly the issue is the perception that politicians can hide behind thier positions to avoid public scrutiny yet the ordinary citizen can not.[/p][/quote]Very well said, and the fact that these Councillors are in a position of power is frightening. I accept that people from their own community are in a better position to personally see what might be needed in this town. But I feel that being a councillor should require interviews and appropriate experience and qualification's same as any position of control. As it is it seems more about who you know and the ability to talk the talk. Any Micky Mouse candidate would get in on the back of Labour in Farnworth, I can think of one that did just that collthorn
  • Score: 1

1:24pm Sat 16 Aug 14

collthorn says...

The Squire In Residence wrote:
It is my understanding that the other councillor is not a 'he'....but I could be wrong.... but doubt it. Narrows it down slightly.
How can you know this?
[quote][p][bold]The Squire In Residence[/bold] wrote: It is my understanding that the other councillor is not a 'he'....but I could be wrong.... but doubt it. Narrows it down slightly.[/p][/quote]How can you know this? collthorn
  • Score: 0

5:08pm Sat 16 Aug 14

collthorn says...

Citizen Cane wrote:
Councillor Dean should be applauded for FINALLY bowing to public/BN pressure to expose himself.

However, his explanation doe snot stack-up and is seemingly irresponsible. If in arrears because of personal circumstances, a responsible individual will arrange a sensible scheme to make settlement and he seemed to be able to make bullet payments no problem when threatened with court action.

His unwillingness to come forward has also resulted in the council using taxpayers money to protect their blushes - how much exactly? BN - please lodge a FoI request to find out : it will be a staggering sum and out of all proportion to the tardy payments - yet another reason for these two councillors to be named, shamed and resigned.

He was not a councillor when he first pulled a fast one in this respect and it is a disgrace that he became a councillor with that background unless it was fully disclosed to the electorate at the time they cast their votes.

This sort of sleazy behaviour should result in his resignation, IF he has any decency.
Wouldn't be the first councillor with a dubious past to get themselves elected
[quote][p][bold]Citizen Cane[/bold] wrote: Councillor Dean should be applauded for FINALLY bowing to public/BN pressure to expose himself. However, his explanation doe snot stack-up and is seemingly irresponsible. If in arrears because of personal circumstances, a responsible individual will arrange a sensible scheme to make settlement and he seemed to be able to make bullet payments no problem when threatened with court action. His unwillingness to come forward has also resulted in the council using taxpayers money to protect their blushes - how much exactly? BN - please lodge a FoI request to find out : it will be a staggering sum and out of all proportion to the tardy payments - yet another reason for these two councillors to be named, shamed and resigned. He was not a councillor when he first pulled a fast one in this respect and it is a disgrace that he became a councillor with that background unless it was fully disclosed to the electorate at the time they cast their votes. This sort of sleazy behaviour should result in his resignation, IF he has any decency.[/p][/quote]Wouldn't be the first councillor with a dubious past to get themselves elected collthorn
  • Score: 0

5:11pm Sat 16 Aug 14

collthorn says...

collthorn wrote:
The Squire In Residence wrote:
It is my understanding that the other councillor is not a 'he'....but I could be wrong.... but doubt it. Narrows it down slightly.
How can you know this?
12 she's and approximately 27 he's
[quote][p][bold]collthorn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Squire In Residence[/bold] wrote: It is my understanding that the other councillor is not a 'he'....but I could be wrong.... but doubt it. Narrows it down slightly.[/p][/quote]How can you know this?[/p][/quote]12 she's and approximately 27 he's collthorn
  • Score: 0

6:00pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Dolci Vita says...

collthorn wrote:
Citizen Cane wrote:
Councillor Dean should be applauded for FINALLY bowing to public/BN pressure to expose himself.

However, his explanation doe snot stack-up and is seemingly irresponsible. If in arrears because of personal circumstances, a responsible individual will arrange a sensible scheme to make settlement and he seemed to be able to make bullet payments no problem when threatened with court action.

His unwillingness to come forward has also resulted in the council using taxpayers money to protect their blushes - how much exactly? BN - please lodge a FoI request to find out : it will be a staggering sum and out of all proportion to the tardy payments - yet another reason for these two councillors to be named, shamed and resigned.

He was not a councillor when he first pulled a fast one in this respect and it is a disgrace that he became a councillor with that background unless it was fully disclosed to the electorate at the time they cast their votes.

This sort of sleazy behaviour should result in his resignation, IF he has any decency.
Wouldn't be the first councillor with a dubious past to get themselves elected
Tell us more about elected councillors with dubious pasts...who are they?
In this case,questions to asked are: were the tory party councillors aware of his non payment of Council Tax? If not they should have been.
They selected him as a candidate. He has been a member of the tory party for long enough. even putting up to be an MP in Rochdale at one stage. So why did his colleagues not know about his financial difficulties? Or where they really bothered!
A previous post said all candidates who put up for election should be vetted for all parties. I agree, we should know who we are voting for.
If the electorate had know about this before they cast their votes I am sure the ' Conservative safe seat for Bradshaw' would have had a very different outcome.
It's time the electorate took an educated vote, voting for whom best would work for them and the town, instead of mindless voting -'Oh he's the Labour/Conservative, candidate and my father and grandfather always voted Labour/Conservative so I will! What a nonsense.
We are still waiting for the Labour councillor to name him/herself. Until that time...all the Labour party councillors are under suspicion.
[quote][p][bold]collthorn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Citizen Cane[/bold] wrote: Councillor Dean should be applauded for FINALLY bowing to public/BN pressure to expose himself. However, his explanation doe snot stack-up and is seemingly irresponsible. If in arrears because of personal circumstances, a responsible individual will arrange a sensible scheme to make settlement and he seemed to be able to make bullet payments no problem when threatened with court action. His unwillingness to come forward has also resulted in the council using taxpayers money to protect their blushes - how much exactly? BN - please lodge a FoI request to find out : it will be a staggering sum and out of all proportion to the tardy payments - yet another reason for these two councillors to be named, shamed and resigned. He was not a councillor when he first pulled a fast one in this respect and it is a disgrace that he became a councillor with that background unless it was fully disclosed to the electorate at the time they cast their votes. This sort of sleazy behaviour should result in his resignation, IF he has any decency.[/p][/quote]Wouldn't be the first councillor with a dubious past to get themselves elected[/p][/quote]Tell us more about elected councillors with dubious pasts...who are they? In this case,questions to asked are: were the tory party councillors aware of his non payment of Council Tax? If not they should have been. They selected him as a candidate. He has been a member of the tory party for long enough. even putting up to be an MP in Rochdale at one stage. So why did his colleagues not know about his financial difficulties? Or where they really bothered! A previous post said all candidates who put up for election should be vetted for all parties. I agree, we should know who we are voting for. If the electorate had know about this before they cast their votes I am sure the ' Conservative safe seat for Bradshaw' would have had a very different outcome. It's time the electorate took an educated vote, voting for whom best would work for them and the town, instead of mindless voting -'Oh he's the Labour/Conservative, candidate and my father and grandfather always voted Labour/Conservative so I will! What a nonsense. We are still waiting for the Labour councillor to name him/herself. Until that time...all the Labour party councillors are under suspicion. Dolci Vita
  • Score: 2

6:16am Sun 17 Aug 14

collthorn says...

Does anyone else have a problem in finding up to date councillors individual expense receipts? I can see how much they earn or re claim in one year, but the actual receipts showing are from 2010 and earlier. Googling the Councillors names one by one might enlighten as to their past antics. But be mindful that some of them have recently changed their names or have stage names ect.
Does anyone else have a problem in finding up to date councillors individual expense receipts? I can see how much they earn or re claim in one year, but the actual receipts showing are from 2010 and earlier. Googling the Councillors names one by one might enlighten as to their past antics. But be mindful that some of them have recently changed their names or have stage names ect. collthorn
  • Score: 0

8:03am Sun 17 Aug 14

collthorn says...

Kate Lewis, newly elected member in May for Social Inclusion. I am looking at The females first, as it's been said that there is a possibility that the labour councillor in question could be a female. Nothing un toward about Kate. I didn't look at Linda Byrne because she and her husband are Councillors and would be jointly involved or so you would think , who next
Kate Lewis, newly elected member in May for Social Inclusion. I am looking at The females first, as it's been said that there is a possibility that the labour councillor in question could be a female. Nothing un toward about Kate. I didn't look at Linda Byrne because she and her husband are Councillors and would be jointly involved or so you would think , who next collthorn
  • Score: 0

8:18am Sun 17 Aug 14

collthorn says...

Sufrana Bashir Ismail, just general information when googled, Cleaner, Greener and safer policy development group, if that's up to date, so nothing dodgy about this labour Councillor on the google search, who next?
Sufrana Bashir Ismail, just general information when googled, Cleaner, Greener and safer policy development group, if that's up to date, so nothing dodgy about this labour Councillor on the google search, who next? collthorn
  • Score: 0

8:20am Sun 17 Aug 14

collthorn says...

atlas123 wrote:
Perhaps given that the Labour Councillor won't own up the electorate should just simply not vote for any of them...

Bolton's Labour elected reps

John Byrne
Linda Byrne
Kate Lewis
Sufrana Bashir-Ismail
Guy Harkin
Hanif Darvesh
Jean Gillies
Asif Ibraheim
Noel Spencer
Mohammed Ayhub
Mohammed Iqbal
Madaline Murray
Cliff Morris
Linda Thomas
Akhtar Zaman
Mike Francis
Champak Mistry
Ann Cunliffe
Steven Pickup
Alan Bury
Joyce "disabled parking bay" Kellett
Kevin Mckeown
Richard Silvester
Carol Burrows
Dereck Burrows
Liam Irving
Anthony Connell
David Evans
Rosa Kay
Ismail Ibrahim
Ebrahim Adia
Martin Donaghey
Nick Peel
Elaine Sherrington
Shaun Harkin
Christopher Peacock
David Chadwick
Kevan Jones
Anna Watters

Its only when you list them out like that you

A) Realise how many there are (That's £429k in basic allowance or 1/160th of the pothole backlog).
B) Realise how many you have never heard of and the must do nothing!
Just reminding myself in which order the names were listed
[quote][p][bold]atlas123[/bold] wrote: Perhaps given that the Labour Councillor won't own up the electorate should just simply not vote for any of them... Bolton's Labour elected reps John Byrne Linda Byrne Kate Lewis Sufrana Bashir-Ismail Guy Harkin Hanif Darvesh Jean Gillies Asif Ibraheim Noel Spencer Mohammed Ayhub Mohammed Iqbal Madaline Murray Cliff Morris Linda Thomas Akhtar Zaman Mike Francis Champak Mistry Ann Cunliffe Steven Pickup Alan Bury Joyce "disabled parking bay" Kellett Kevin Mckeown Richard Silvester Carol Burrows Dereck Burrows Liam Irving Anthony Connell David Evans Rosa Kay Ismail Ibrahim Ebrahim Adia Martin Donaghey Nick Peel Elaine Sherrington Shaun Harkin Christopher Peacock David Chadwick Kevan Jones Anna Watters Its only when you list them out like that you A) Realise how many there are (That's £429k in basic allowance or 1/160th of the pothole backlog). B) Realise how many you have never heard of and the must do nothing![/p][/quote]Just reminding myself in which order the names were listed collthorn
  • Score: 0

11:54am Sun 17 Aug 14

Dori da says...

I think you might find that one of the councillors you have named is now deceased, I'm sure you couldn't have known. But I get where you are leading with this. I have checked a few more out, and it's ridiculous to see the background of some of the people that are supposed to be representing us, it should not be allowed
I think you might find that one of the councillors you have named is now deceased, I'm sure you couldn't have known. But I get where you are leading with this. I have checked a few more out, and it's ridiculous to see the background of some of the people that are supposed to be representing us, it should not be allowed Dori da
  • Score: 0

3:42pm Sun 17 Aug 14

alien13 says...

admitted wrong doings,only after he,s bang to rights,so don't give him any credit for standing up to try and save face,
admitted wrong doings,only after he,s bang to rights,so don't give him any credit for standing up to try and save face, alien13
  • Score: 0

6:38pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Dori da says...

collthorn wrote:
atlas123 wrote:
Perhaps given that the Labour Councillor won't own up the electorate should just simply not vote for any of them...

Bolton's Labour elected reps

John Byrne
Linda Byrne
Kate Lewis
Sufrana Bashir-Ismail
Guy Harkin
Hanif Darvesh
Jean Gillies
Asif Ibraheim
Noel Spencer
Mohammed Ayhub
Mohammed Iqbal
Madaline Murray
Cliff Morris
Linda Thomas
Akhtar Zaman
Mike Francis
Champak Mistry
Ann Cunliffe
Steven Pickup
Alan Bury
Joyce "disabled parking bay" Kellett
Kevin Mckeown
Richard Silvester
Carol Burrows
Dereck Burrows
Liam Irving
Anthony Connell
David Evans
Rosa Kay
Ismail Ibrahim
Ebrahim Adia
Martin Donaghey
Nick Peel
Elaine Sherrington
Shaun Harkin
Christopher Peacock
David Chadwick
Kevan Jones
Anna Watters

Its only when you list them out like that you

A) Realise how many there are (That's £429k in basic allowance or 1/160th of the pothole backlog).
B) Realise how many you have never heard of and the must do nothing!
Just reminding myself in which order the names were listed
Come on Collthorn, you didn't look far, who is next?
[quote][p][bold]collthorn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]atlas123[/bold] wrote: Perhaps given that the Labour Councillor won't own up the electorate should just simply not vote for any of them... Bolton's Labour elected reps John Byrne Linda Byrne Kate Lewis Sufrana Bashir-Ismail Guy Harkin Hanif Darvesh Jean Gillies Asif Ibraheim Noel Spencer Mohammed Ayhub Mohammed Iqbal Madaline Murray Cliff Morris Linda Thomas Akhtar Zaman Mike Francis Champak Mistry Ann Cunliffe Steven Pickup Alan Bury Joyce "disabled parking bay" Kellett Kevin Mckeown Richard Silvester Carol Burrows Dereck Burrows Liam Irving Anthony Connell David Evans Rosa Kay Ismail Ibrahim Ebrahim Adia Martin Donaghey Nick Peel Elaine Sherrington Shaun Harkin Christopher Peacock David Chadwick Kevan Jones Anna Watters Its only when you list them out like that you A) Realise how many there are (That's £429k in basic allowance or 1/160th of the pothole backlog). B) Realise how many you have never heard of and the must do nothing![/p][/quote]Just reminding myself in which order the names were listed[/p][/quote]Come on Collthorn, you didn't look far, who is next? Dori da
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