Theatre Church in Astley Bridge to be demolished and replaced with 9 houses

'A legacy will be lost forever' - Theatre Church to be demolished and replaced with houses

The former Theatre Church, which is set to be demolished to make way for nine houses

The owners of Crystal Theatre, Function and Wedding Halls, from left, Mohamed Amjad Kulasi, Amna Pervez, Aysha Bapu and Aadil Razzaq, pictured after buying the former theatre church in 2012

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THE building that was home to Bolton theatre groups for more than 40 years is to be demolished to make way for houses.

Owners of the former Theatre Church, in Seymour Road, Astley Bridge, have submitted an application to knock down Crystal Theatre, Function and Wedding Halls to build nine houses.

In summer 2012, the building’s owners, Bolton Methodist Circuit, rejected an offer of £300,000 raised by amateur dramatics groups and sold it for £500,000 to be run as a wedding venue by four directors — Amjad Kulasi, Aysha Bapu, Amna Pervez and Aadil Razzaq.

Now, the current owners say the building is not financially viable due to structural defects and the need for substantial, costly repairs for it to compete as a wedding venue with other higher quality and more centrally-located sites.

Paul Cohen, chairman of Bolton Amateur Theatre Societies (BATS), has hit out at the plans saying they have not been sufficiently consulted and a legacy will be lost forever once bulldozers move in.

He said: “I think it’s so short-sighted because it’s such a valuable asset for what we do.

“To see it get flattened, I can’t find the words.”

The consultation period has ended and, as only letters and representations in support of the plans have been received, the application will not go before the council’s planning committee.

It is due to be approved under delegated powers, by September 1.

While the main building will be demolished, the community and Scout buildings on the site will remain.

Mr Cohen said: “I don’t feel that we’ve had enough time to raise objections about losing a theatre in Bolton.

“We put up a massive fight two years ago, a fantastic business plan. That was totally ignored by the Methodists because it was purely about finances.

“I do not think our application was considered. If it was an old derelict church, fair enough. It wasn’t just theatres, it was used by the whole community.

“Some groups are still struggling to find venues. It feels like Bolton Council has let amateur theatre down in Bolton.

“Bolton is thriving with amateur theatre, compared to any other town nationally. It’s a crying shame.”

Some residents living in the area have welcomed plans for the six semi-detatched and three town houses as it will relieve traffic and parking problems at the venue during weddings.

The applicant and agent, Mr A Kulasi and RA Design and Project Management, Chorley New Road, consulted the London-based Theatres Trust on the application, which raised no objection.

The current owners were unavailable for comment.

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6:35am Wed 13 Aug 14

atlas123 says...

Well well well, there is a surprise.... NOT.
Well well well, there is a surprise.... NOT. atlas123
  • Score: 224

6:59am Wed 13 Aug 14

bluebusman says...

Utter disgrace no letters of objection thTs because nobody knew until it was released on social media last week by myself , another classic building being allowed to be demolished , shame on Bolton Councill for allowing this to happen , shame on Bolton news by not bringing this to the attention of readers sooner , but it's wits us in Bolton have become accustomed to , labour run council with the backing of biased newspaper
Utter disgrace no letters of objection thTs because nobody knew until it was released on social media last week by myself , another classic building being allowed to be demolished , shame on Bolton Councill for allowing this to happen , shame on Bolton news by not bringing this to the attention of readers sooner , but it's wits us in Bolton have become accustomed to , labour run council with the backing of biased newspaper bluebusman
  • Score: 247

7:02am Wed 13 Aug 14

rostron says...

Not bad paying all that money in 2012, then suddenly in 2014 it has severe
architectural defects!
Sure I would have had an in depth survey done before purchase.
Insult to our intelligence, what the main aim has always been !
Not bad paying all that money in 2012, then suddenly in 2014 it has severe architectural defects! Sure I would have had an in depth survey done before purchase. Insult to our intelligence, what the main aim has always been ! rostron
  • Score: 193

7:06am Wed 13 Aug 14

pondis says...

Wonder if those houses will have much of a value up the road from a super mosque
Wonder if those houses will have much of a value up the road from a super mosque pondis
  • Score: 111

7:16am Wed 13 Aug 14

Ernagy2 says...

Bolton council determined to demolish every bit of architecture in the Town. More houses - quick buck
Bolton council determined to demolish every bit of architecture in the Town. More houses - quick buck Ernagy2
  • Score: 135

7:19am Wed 13 Aug 14

skintight says...

Not going in front of the planning committee??? I must remember that when I need my extension doing!!
Not going in front of the planning committee??? I must remember that when I need my extension doing!! skintight
  • Score: 150

7:21am Wed 13 Aug 14

Heeell says...

What structural defects? Were these not not found on the survey before they bought it?
To my knowledge, there has only been one wedding held there- maybe the owners were charging too much, just as they did for other communities to use it. Or maybe demolition was the owners' intention all along.
Its interesting to note that the application has no date shown for ""Last advertised in press" here http://www.planningp
a.bolton.gov.uk/onli
ne-applications-17/a
pplicationDetails.do
?activeTab=dates&key
Val=DCAPR_85819
What structural defects? Were these not not found on the survey before they bought it? To my knowledge, there has only been one wedding held there- maybe the owners were charging too much, just as they did for other communities to use it. Or maybe demolition was the owners' intention all along. Its interesting to note that the application has no date shown for ""Last advertised in press" here http://www.planningp a.bolton.gov.uk/onli ne-applications-17/a pplicationDetails.do ?activeTab=dates&key Val=DCAPR_85819 Heeell
  • Score: -46

7:22am Wed 13 Aug 14

Topsider says...

And just think of all the council tax those houses will bring in. Money, money , money that's all its about. Shame on Bolton Council
And just think of all the council tax those houses will bring in. Money, money , money that's all its about. Shame on Bolton Council Topsider
  • Score: -49

8:05am Wed 13 Aug 14

abitangrysometimes says...

Consultation period is over but nobody knew about it.
Another Bolton asset lost, soon we'll have nothing left.
Consultation period is over but nobody knew about it. Another Bolton asset lost, soon we'll have nothing left. abitangrysometimes
  • Score: -25

9:12am Wed 13 Aug 14

127001 says...

What a shame - this is a lovely building.

Imagine if the leaning tower of Pisa was located in Bolton - it's fate would have been doomed years ago. Luckily we have UNESCO who will protect those sites from the planning committee http://whc.unesco.or
g/en/list/
What a shame - this is a lovely building. Imagine if the leaning tower of Pisa was located in Bolton - it's fate would have been doomed years ago. Luckily we have UNESCO who will protect those sites from the planning committee http://whc.unesco.or g/en/list/ 127001
  • Score: 42

9:45am Wed 13 Aug 14

StopwiththeBS says...

If you were all that bothered you should have helped the CATS youth theatre buy it when they were raising funds. What do you want people to do. Just leave it there for people to look at as they walked past?
If you were all that bothered you should have helped the CATS youth theatre buy it when they were raising funds. What do you want people to do. Just leave it there for people to look at as they walked past? StopwiththeBS
  • Score: -11

10:40am Wed 13 Aug 14

Djorkaeff's right peg says...

Our sovereignty and heritage is becoming desolate. It really and truly does bring a tear to the eye. On this poignant year of the centenary there is very little left of the tradiotions, values and architectural splendor that once graced the country. In 1973, Genesis created an aptly named album called 'Selling England by the Pound'. How profoundly accurate it would turn out to be!

Where did it all go wrong people?
Our sovereignty and heritage is becoming desolate. It really and truly does bring a tear to the eye. On this poignant year of the centenary there is very little left of the tradiotions, values and architectural splendor that once graced the country. In 1973, Genesis created an aptly named album called 'Selling England by the Pound'. How profoundly accurate it would turn out to be! Where did it all go wrong people? Djorkaeff's right peg
  • Score: 37

11:18am Wed 13 Aug 14

buskersball says...

This cant be allowed to happen. The building should be 'listed' Anybody can recommend it to national heritage, if nobody on the council will do it, I will.
This cant be allowed to happen. The building should be 'listed' Anybody can recommend it to national heritage, if nobody on the council will do it, I will. buskersball
  • Score: 33

11:18am Wed 13 Aug 14

Sir Nat says...

Moan moan moan! What’s wrong with the so called indigenous population.
If it was up to you we would still be in the dark ages. I’ve lived I this town all my life
and didn’t know this place even existed. Now some people with entrepreneurship
Skills have invested half a million pound and wish to make a profit, then let them. If you love these old crumbling buildings then stump up £1/2 million. If you can’t then shut up!
I for one will applaud anyone in this current climate to put their hands in their pocket and invest in this town. We need more people like them. Not moaners who still think they are living in 1914 not 2014
Moan moan moan! What’s wrong with the so called indigenous population. If it was up to you we would still be in the dark ages. I’ve lived I this town all my life and didn’t know this place even existed. Now some people with entrepreneurship Skills have invested half a million pound and wish to make a profit, then let them. If you love these old crumbling buildings then stump up £1/2 million. If you can’t then shut up! I for one will applaud anyone in this current climate to put their hands in their pocket and invest in this town. We need more people like them. Not moaners who still think they are living in 1914 not 2014 Sir Nat
  • Score: 1

11:34am Wed 13 Aug 14

buskersball says...

In the meantime, in light of the 'arson' attacks at the school in Gt Lever and the Greenwood Hotel in Horwich, may I suggest a fire engine from Astley Bridge station is kept parked up at the site.
In the meantime, in light of the 'arson' attacks at the school in Gt Lever and the Greenwood Hotel in Horwich, may I suggest a fire engine from Astley Bridge station is kept parked up at the site. buskersball
  • Score: 27

11:56am Wed 13 Aug 14

buskersball says...

Sir Nat wrote:
Moan moan moan! What’s wrong with the so called indigenous population.
If it was up to you we would still be in the dark ages. I’ve lived I this town all my life
and didn’t know this place even existed. Now some people with entrepreneurship
Skills have invested half a million pound and wish to make a profit, then let them. If you love these old crumbling buildings then stump up £1/2 million. If you can’t then shut up!
I for one will applaud anyone in this current climate to put their hands in their pocket and invest in this town. We need more people like them. Not moaners who still think they are living in 1914 not 2014
Nonsense...this is a local landmark and a 'performance space' for the entire community...its an asset to the town culturally...believe it or not there are more important things in life than making a quick 'profit'
[quote][p][bold]Sir Nat[/bold] wrote: Moan moan moan! What’s wrong with the so called indigenous population. If it was up to you we would still be in the dark ages. I’ve lived I this town all my life and didn’t know this place even existed. Now some people with entrepreneurship Skills have invested half a million pound and wish to make a profit, then let them. If you love these old crumbling buildings then stump up £1/2 million. If you can’t then shut up! I for one will applaud anyone in this current climate to put their hands in their pocket and invest in this town. We need more people like them. Not moaners who still think they are living in 1914 not 2014[/p][/quote]Nonsense...this is a local landmark and a 'performance space' for the entire community...its an asset to the town culturally...believe it or not there are more important things in life than making a quick 'profit' buskersball
  • Score: -24

12:25pm Wed 13 Aug 14

127001 says...

Sir Nat wrote:
Moan moan moan! What’s wrong with the so called indigenous population.
If it was up to you we would still be in the dark ages. I’ve lived I this town all my life
and didn’t know this place even existed. Now some people with entrepreneurship
Skills have invested half a million pound and wish to make a profit, then let them. If you love these old crumbling buildings then stump up £1/2 million. If you can’t then shut up!
I for one will applaud anyone in this current climate to put their hands in their pocket and invest in this town. We need more people like them. Not moaners who still think they are living in 1914 not 2014
So using your logic maybe we should pull down Buckingham Palace, Bolton Town Hall, a pyramid or two in Egypt and whilst we're at it Machu Picchu in Peru.

The Theatre Church is not 'crumbling' - if the structure were dangerous it'd be fenced off. Just because something is 'old' doesn't mean it's no longer fit for purpose. We live in such a throwaway society that a lot of things go to waste - it's ridiculous.

Let's hope a potential developer re-models the original building into 'homes' - it'd be an awful shame to pull down a building that was built to last.
[quote][p][bold]Sir Nat[/bold] wrote: Moan moan moan! What’s wrong with the so called indigenous population. If it was up to you we would still be in the dark ages. I’ve lived I this town all my life and didn’t know this place even existed. Now some people with entrepreneurship Skills have invested half a million pound and wish to make a profit, then let them. If you love these old crumbling buildings then stump up £1/2 million. If you can’t then shut up! I for one will applaud anyone in this current climate to put their hands in their pocket and invest in this town. We need more people like them. Not moaners who still think they are living in 1914 not 2014[/p][/quote]So using your logic maybe we should pull down Buckingham Palace, Bolton Town Hall, a pyramid or two in Egypt and whilst we're at it Machu Picchu in Peru. The Theatre Church is not 'crumbling' - if the structure were dangerous it'd be fenced off. Just because something is 'old' doesn't mean it's no longer fit for purpose. We live in such a throwaway society that a lot of things go to waste - it's ridiculous. Let's hope a potential developer re-models the original building into 'homes' - it'd be an awful shame to pull down a building that was built to last. 127001
  • Score: -33

12:30pm Wed 13 Aug 14

buskersball says...

Sir Nat wrote:
Moan moan moan! What’s wrong with the so called indigenous population.
If it was up to you we would still be in the dark ages. I’ve lived I this town all my life
and didn’t know this place even existed. Now some people with entrepreneurship
Skills have invested half a million pound and wish to make a profit, then let them. If you love these old crumbling buildings then stump up £1/2 million. If you can’t then shut up!
I for one will applaud anyone in this current climate to put their hands in their pocket and invest in this town. We need more people like them. Not moaners who still think they are living in 1914 not 2014
or maybe we should pull down the statue of Sir Nat (whose name you use) and erect a phone mast?
Make sense according to your logic!
[quote][p][bold]Sir Nat[/bold] wrote: Moan moan moan! What’s wrong with the so called indigenous population. If it was up to you we would still be in the dark ages. I’ve lived I this town all my life and didn’t know this place even existed. Now some people with entrepreneurship Skills have invested half a million pound and wish to make a profit, then let them. If you love these old crumbling buildings then stump up £1/2 million. If you can’t then shut up! I for one will applaud anyone in this current climate to put their hands in their pocket and invest in this town. We need more people like them. Not moaners who still think they are living in 1914 not 2014[/p][/quote]or maybe we should pull down the statue of Sir Nat (whose name you use) and erect a phone mast? Make sense according to your logic! buskersball
  • Score: -23

12:31pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Djorkaeff's right peg says...

buskersball wrote:
Sir Nat wrote:
Moan moan moan! What’s wrong with the so called indigenous population.
If it was up to you we would still be in the dark ages. I’ve lived I this town all my life
and didn’t know this place even existed. Now some people with entrepreneurship
Skills have invested half a million pound and wish to make a profit, then let them. If you love these old crumbling buildings then stump up £1/2 million. If you can’t then shut up!
I for one will applaud anyone in this current climate to put their hands in their pocket and invest in this town. We need more people like them. Not moaners who still think they are living in 1914 not 2014
Nonsense...this is a local landmark and a 'performance space' for the entire community...its an asset to the town culturally...believe it or not there are more important things in life than making a quick 'profit'
Agreed buskersball, I think Sir Nat Lofthouse would have agreed too. Ignore the charlatan using the great man's name.

Also, don't take any notice of the cretin who is responsible for all the thumbs down marks, this is just the village idiot going about their daily rounds.
[quote][p][bold]buskersball[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Nat[/bold] wrote: Moan moan moan! What’s wrong with the so called indigenous population. If it was up to you we would still be in the dark ages. I’ve lived I this town all my life and didn’t know this place even existed. Now some people with entrepreneurship Skills have invested half a million pound and wish to make a profit, then let them. If you love these old crumbling buildings then stump up £1/2 million. If you can’t then shut up! I for one will applaud anyone in this current climate to put their hands in their pocket and invest in this town. We need more people like them. Not moaners who still think they are living in 1914 not 2014[/p][/quote]Nonsense...this is a local landmark and a 'performance space' for the entire community...its an asset to the town culturally...believe it or not there are more important things in life than making a quick 'profit'[/p][/quote]Agreed buskersball, I think Sir Nat Lofthouse would have agreed too. Ignore the charlatan using the great man's name. Also, don't take any notice of the cretin who is responsible for all the thumbs down marks, this is just the village idiot going about their daily rounds. Djorkaeff's right peg
  • Score: -19

12:37pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Cheeseware says...

God help whoever ends up living back to back with the Craven Heifer. Spent most of my childhood at Theatre Church with the Cohen's. Its where Katy Cavanagh started her acting career. Her mum used to run acting groups there back in the late 70's early 80's. Many happy memories
God help whoever ends up living back to back with the Craven Heifer. Spent most of my childhood at Theatre Church with the Cohen's. Its where Katy Cavanagh started her acting career. Her mum used to run acting groups there back in the late 70's early 80's. Many happy memories Cheeseware
  • Score: -9

12:40pm Wed 13 Aug 14

OriginalAngryDad says...

This was clearly the plan all along.

I remember loads of comments on here objecting to the original sale to these clowns a couple of years ago.

It appears the plan was always to "Submit a bogus planning application for a Community Hub type venue" in the full knowledge that their "mates" on the planning committee would pass it without question, sit on it for a bit, then pretend it's "crumbling", knock it down and build houses."

Scandalous.
This was clearly the plan all along. I remember loads of comments on here objecting to the original sale to these clowns a couple of years ago. It appears the plan was always to "Submit a bogus planning application for a Community Hub type venue" in the full knowledge that their "mates" on the planning committee would pass it without question, sit on it for a bit, then pretend it's "crumbling", knock it down and build houses." Scandalous. OriginalAngryDad
  • Score: 0

12:50pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Djorkaeff's right peg says...

OriginalAngryDad wrote:
This was clearly the plan all along.

I remember loads of comments on here objecting to the original sale to these clowns a couple of years ago.

It appears the plan was always to "Submit a bogus planning application for a Community Hub type venue" in the full knowledge that their "mates" on the planning committee would pass it without question, sit on it for a bit, then pretend it's "crumbling", knock it down and build houses."

Scandalous.
Ditto! A cunning and insidious venture.
[quote][p][bold]OriginalAngryDad[/bold] wrote: This was clearly the plan all along. I remember loads of comments on here objecting to the original sale to these clowns a couple of years ago. It appears the plan was always to "Submit a bogus planning application for a Community Hub type venue" in the full knowledge that their "mates" on the planning committee would pass it without question, sit on it for a bit, then pretend it's "crumbling", knock it down and build houses." Scandalous.[/p][/quote]Ditto! A cunning and insidious venture. Djorkaeff's right peg
  • Score: -21

12:56pm Wed 13 Aug 14

marco999 says...

Let's pull down that crumbling old Bolton town hall next, nice bit of space for houses there. Maybe if we're lucky the council will be in a meeting as the wrecking ball comes through the walls.
Let's pull down that crumbling old Bolton town hall next, nice bit of space for houses there. Maybe if we're lucky the council will be in a meeting as the wrecking ball comes through the walls. marco999
  • Score: 5

1:04pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Chrome1 says...

Private owners, private building. They have the freedom to do what they want. Concerned that a bit of heritage is being lost? Well bang on the doors of the Methodists for letting it go.
Private owners, private building. They have the freedom to do what they want. Concerned that a bit of heritage is being lost? Well bang on the doors of the Methodists for letting it go. Chrome1
  • Score: -7

1:09pm Wed 13 Aug 14

cliff4treasurer says...

Look at all the neg votes now when anyone speaks against the plan,they do stick together don't they,a bit like when voting time comes round! No wonder we can't rid ourselves of the current bunch of parasites that run the council.
Look at all the neg votes now when anyone speaks against the plan,they do stick together don't they,a bit like when voting time comes round! No wonder we can't rid ourselves of the current bunch of parasites that run the council. cliff4treasurer
  • Score: -26

1:25pm Wed 13 Aug 14

calvin street says...

Im surprised nobody hasnt mentioned the problems Seymour Rd already has with the cars. Parking already is a major issue on this road. Since the roadblock was taken away it is used as a cut through between Crompton way and Blackburn Road. People using the shops on Blackburn road park their cars right opposite this building. Then there is the nearby junior school and nursery school . This will be carnage when work starts here Yet again Bolton Council wearing blinkers when it suits them to.
Im surprised nobody hasnt mentioned the problems Seymour Rd already has with the cars. Parking already is a major issue on this road. Since the roadblock was taken away it is used as a cut through between Crompton way and Blackburn Road. People using the shops on Blackburn road park their cars right opposite this building. Then there is the nearby junior school and nursery school . This will be carnage when work starts here Yet again Bolton Council wearing blinkers when it suits them to. calvin street
  • Score: -9

1:33pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Rememberscarborough says...

This stinks to high heaven and it's time we had a full public enquiry in to Bolton's planning department. The plans that are passed seem totally at odds with their mission statement and it's time to see what other agendas are being used to influence planning department decisions.
This stinks to high heaven and it's time we had a full public enquiry in to Bolton's planning department. The plans that are passed seem totally at odds with their mission statement and it's time to see what other agendas are being used to influence planning department decisions. Rememberscarborough
  • Score: -1

1:35pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Djorkaeff's right peg says...

cliff4treasurer wrote:
Look at all the neg votes now when anyone speaks against the plan,they do stick together don't they,a bit like when voting time comes round! No wonder we can't rid ourselves of the current bunch of parasites that run the council.
Please don't be so naive to believe the voting on comments accurately reflects the democratic view of the populous. The majority of the negative thumbs' down scores are left by the same person.
[quote][p][bold]cliff4treasurer[/bold] wrote: Look at all the neg votes now when anyone speaks against the plan,they do stick together don't they,a bit like when voting time comes round! No wonder we can't rid ourselves of the current bunch of parasites that run the council.[/p][/quote]Please don't be so naive to believe the voting on comments accurately reflects the democratic view of the populous. The majority of the negative thumbs' down scores are left by the same person. Djorkaeff's right peg
  • Score: -33

2:12pm Wed 13 Aug 14

aydeepee says...

Clearly this was NEVER going to be a wedding venue. It was a long term plan to wrestle another historic and important landmark from the grasp of the Bolton community. Local theatre is HUGE in Bolton and for this to be bulldozed to the ground to accommodate a few houses is simply disgusting. At some point Bolton needs to grow some teeth and start saying 'no' to changes that damage both its identity and functionality. Those who are agreeing to such plans clearly have zero interest in the impact it has - pure incompetence and short sightedness
Clearly this was NEVER going to be a wedding venue. It was a long term plan to wrestle another historic and important landmark from the grasp of the Bolton community. Local theatre is HUGE in Bolton and for this to be bulldozed to the ground to accommodate a few houses is simply disgusting. At some point Bolton needs to grow some teeth and start saying 'no' to changes that damage both its identity and functionality. Those who are agreeing to such plans clearly have zero interest in the impact it has - pure incompetence and short sightedness aydeepee
  • Score: 3

3:36pm Wed 13 Aug 14

The bluetooth. says...

StopwiththeBS wrote:
If you were all that bothered you should have helped the CATS youth theatre buy it when they were raising funds. What do you want people to do. Just leave it there for people to look at as they walked past?
Exactly what i thought. The theatre lovers should have got together and done a whip round to raised the funds. In this day and age MONEY TALKS. Bolton is full of property tycoons. Someone somewhere would have snapped it up. The residents of east manchester were not happy with the owners of man city fc. Now the work has started and they have seen the long term benefits which is going to bring to the area the opposers have agreed that this is in the best interest.
[quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: If you were all that bothered you should have helped the CATS youth theatre buy it when they were raising funds. What do you want people to do. Just leave it there for people to look at as they walked past?[/p][/quote]Exactly what i thought. The theatre lovers should have got together and done a whip round to raised the funds. In this day and age MONEY TALKS. Bolton is full of property tycoons. Someone somewhere would have snapped it up. The residents of east manchester were not happy with the owners of man city fc. Now the work has started and they have seen the long term benefits which is going to bring to the area the opposers have agreed that this is in the best interest. The bluetooth.
  • Score: 26

3:51pm Wed 13 Aug 14

keggard says...

First will be the usual fire for the insurance or even maybe the scout hut etc will be used for Islamic classrooms etc
First will be the usual fire for the insurance or even maybe the scout hut etc will be used for Islamic classrooms etc keggard
  • Score: -22

3:52pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Terry McC says...

This sounds more like fraud to me never bought it with any intention of using it for weddings
This sounds more like fraud to me never bought it with any intention of using it for weddings Terry McC
  • Score: -14

4:24pm Wed 13 Aug 14

markojames says...

rostron wrote:
Not bad paying all that money in 2012, then suddenly in 2014 it has severe
architectural defects!
Sure I would have had an in depth survey done before purchase.
Insult to our intelligence, what the main aim has always been !
Well said, everyone knows what is going on but the council doesn't!!its a shame to knock this down but who are we to contend as no one listens to our points or comments exactly the same as no one wants to listen about the super mosque that most of us boltonians don't want!!lets stand together and stand up fir what we want!!!so frustrating!!!!
[quote][p][bold]rostron[/bold] wrote: Not bad paying all that money in 2012, then suddenly in 2014 it has severe architectural defects! Sure I would have had an in depth survey done before purchase. Insult to our intelligence, what the main aim has always been ![/p][/quote]Well said, everyone knows what is going on but the council doesn't!!its a shame to knock this down but who are we to contend as no one listens to our points or comments exactly the same as no one wants to listen about the super mosque that most of us boltonians don't want!!lets stand together and stand up fir what we want!!!so frustrating!!!! markojames
  • Score: -25

4:25pm Wed 13 Aug 14

owencoyle99 says...

Never seen so many thumbs down on comments
I just wonder who placed all the thumbs down to the positive points
Never seen so many thumbs down on comments I just wonder who placed all the thumbs down to the positive points owencoyle99
  • Score: -13

4:26pm Wed 13 Aug 14

markojames says...

buskersball wrote:
This cant be allowed to happen. The building should be 'listed' Anybody can recommend it to national heritage, if nobody on the council will do it, I will.
Give me your contact details and I will be with you 100 percent and it's about time we stood up against the demolition
[quote][p][bold]buskersball[/bold] wrote: This cant be allowed to happen. The building should be 'listed' Anybody can recommend it to national heritage, if nobody on the council will do it, I will.[/p][/quote]Give me your contact details and I will be with you 100 percent and it's about time we stood up against the demolition markojames
  • Score: -17

4:31pm Wed 13 Aug 14

markojames says...

Rememberscarborough wrote:
This stinks to high heaven and it's time we had a full public enquiry in to Bolton's planning department. The plans that are passed seem totally at odds with their mission statement and it's time to see what other agendas are being used to influence planning department decisions.
Love your post lets get together and stand up for what we believe in ! This is total bulls##t that things are being passed by the council that we have no say in!!just like the 'super mosque 'that we as boltonians DO NOT WANT!!!!so F##kin annoyed bumpy the whole whitewash!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Rememberscarborough[/bold] wrote: This stinks to high heaven and it's time we had a full public enquiry in to Bolton's planning department. The plans that are passed seem totally at odds with their mission statement and it's time to see what other agendas are being used to influence planning department decisions.[/p][/quote]Love your post lets get together and stand up for what we believe in ! This is total bulls##t that things are being passed by the council that we have no say in!!just like the 'super mosque 'that we as boltonians DO NOT WANT!!!!so F##kin annoyed bumpy the whole whitewash!!!! markojames
  • Score: -4

5:37pm Wed 13 Aug 14

timbertwo68 says...

HMM, looks like the original intention was for something to serve the community. On that train if thought how about a drop in centre instead ????
HMM, looks like the original intention was for something to serve the community. On that train if thought how about a drop in centre instead ???? timbertwo68
  • Score: -16

5:42pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Djorkaeff's right peg says...

owencoyle99 wrote:
Never seen so many thumbs down on comments
I just wonder who placed all the thumbs down to the positive points
Hi, you can leave as many negative scores for posts on here as you like. If you are signed out of your account and refresh browser you are able to leave multiple + or - ratings per post in a matter of seconds so they soon accumulate. As stated earlier, they are not a true reflection of the populous; it is either a very small minority/syndicate of trolling nuisances or the same inconspicious dilbert doing it.
[quote][p][bold]owencoyle99[/bold] wrote: Never seen so many thumbs down on comments I just wonder who placed all the thumbs down to the positive points[/p][/quote]Hi, you can leave as many negative scores for posts on here as you like. If you are signed out of your account and refresh browser you are able to leave multiple + or - ratings per post in a matter of seconds so they soon accumulate. As stated earlier, they are not a true reflection of the populous; it is either a very small minority/syndicate of trolling nuisances or the same inconspicious dilbert doing it. Djorkaeff's right peg
  • Score: -13

6:27pm Wed 13 Aug 14

PennySmith says...

Well I'm not surprised!!!It was a fantastic venue and we have watched some great shows. Mr Cohen and other members worked hard to try and keep the theatre. Why do we have these councillors and rules and regulations, because lets face it they don't.These people who have bought it had no intentions of having for wedding venues. Well i hope it all goes belly up when they start to build these houses.
Well I'm not surprised!!!It was a fantastic venue and we have watched some great shows. Mr Cohen and other members worked hard to try and keep the theatre. Why do we have these councillors and rules and regulations, because lets face it they don't.These people who have bought it had no intentions of having for wedding venues. Well i hope it all goes belly up when they start to build these houses. PennySmith
  • Score: -26

7:04pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Ernagy2 says...

markojames wrote:
buskersball wrote:
This cant be allowed to happen. The building should be 'listed' Anybody can recommend it to national heritage, if nobody on the council will do it, I will.
Give me your contact details and I will be with you 100 percent and it's about time we stood up against the demolition
Me too
[quote][p][bold]markojames[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buskersball[/bold] wrote: This cant be allowed to happen. The building should be 'listed' Anybody can recommend it to national heritage, if nobody on the council will do it, I will.[/p][/quote]Give me your contact details and I will be with you 100 percent and it's about time we stood up against the demolition[/p][/quote]Me too Ernagy2
  • Score: -15

7:07pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Ernagy2 says...

PennySmith wrote:
Well I'm not surprised!!!It was a fantastic venue and we have watched some great shows. Mr Cohen and other members worked hard to try and keep the theatre. Why do we have these councillors and rules and regulations, because lets face it they don't.These people who have bought it had no intentions of having for wedding venues. Well i hope it all goes belly up when they start to build these houses.
If it goes the way of Clarenden etc I bet it'll be burnt down in about 4 weeks.
[quote][p][bold]PennySmith[/bold] wrote: Well I'm not surprised!!!It was a fantastic venue and we have watched some great shows. Mr Cohen and other members worked hard to try and keep the theatre. Why do we have these councillors and rules and regulations, because lets face it they don't.These people who have bought it had no intentions of having for wedding venues. Well i hope it all goes belly up when they start to build these houses.[/p][/quote]If it goes the way of Clarenden etc I bet it'll be burnt down in about 4 weeks. Ernagy2
  • Score: -12

7:15pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Percy Thrower says...

Djorkaeff's right peg wrote:
owencoyle99 wrote:
Never seen so many thumbs down on comments
I just wonder who placed all the thumbs down to the positive points
Hi, you can leave as many negative scores for posts on here as you like. If you are signed out of your account and refresh browser you are able to leave multiple + or - ratings per post in a matter of seconds so they soon accumulate. As stated earlier, they are not a true reflection of the populous; it is either a very small minority/syndicate of trolling nuisances or the same inconspicious dilbert doing it.
You beat me to it Djorkaeff's right peg.
Although I would suspect to keep doing this as possible fraud. Maybe BN could get back to us on this one.

Also you don't even need to have an account to vote, so if it is legal and you have hours of free time to do this get to it. I might join in if I can't sleep tonight.

It also it should work by going through a proxy server and just keep refreshing the IP address.
[quote][p][bold]Djorkaeff's right peg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owencoyle99[/bold] wrote: Never seen so many thumbs down on comments I just wonder who placed all the thumbs down to the positive points[/p][/quote]Hi, you can leave as many negative scores for posts on here as you like. If you are signed out of your account and refresh browser you are able to leave multiple + or - ratings per post in a matter of seconds so they soon accumulate. As stated earlier, they are not a true reflection of the populous; it is either a very small minority/syndicate of trolling nuisances or the same inconspicious dilbert doing it.[/p][/quote]You beat me to it Djorkaeff's right peg. Although I would suspect to keep doing this as possible fraud. Maybe BN could get back to us on this one. Also you don't even need to have an account to vote, so if it is legal and you have hours of free time to do this get to it. I might join in if I can't sleep tonight. It also it should work by going through a proxy server and just keep refreshing the IP address. Percy Thrower
  • Score: -29

7:19pm Wed 13 Aug 14

timbertwo68 says...

timbertwo68 wrote:
HMM, looks like the original intention was for something to serve the community. On that train if thought how about a drop in centre instead ????
OH DEAR remember the old saying, the truth hurts !
[quote][p][bold]timbertwo68[/bold] wrote: HMM, looks like the original intention was for something to serve the community. On that train if thought how about a drop in centre instead ????[/p][/quote]OH DEAR remember the old saying, the truth hurts ! timbertwo68
  • Score: -23

7:40pm Wed 13 Aug 14

daisydodo says...

I heard someone on the planning committee was taking backhanders... Just wish I could prove it....
I heard someone on the planning committee was taking backhanders... Just wish I could prove it.... daisydodo
  • Score: -33

7:58pm Wed 13 Aug 14

artistpaint says...

These buildings were built to last...the council dont seem to like boltons proud heritage and beautiful iconic landmark buildings.somthings going wrong somewhere.big style...you protect great buildings....thats why 99% of people come to gb.to get a glimpse of our heritage.b4 long the whole country will look like milton keynes or skemersdale.sad
These buildings were built to last...the council dont seem to like boltons proud heritage and beautiful iconic landmark buildings.somthings going wrong somewhere.big style...you protect great buildings....thats why 99% of people come to gb.to get a glimpse of our heritage.b4 long the whole country will look like milton keynes or skemersdale.sad artistpaint
  • Score: -28

7:59pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Greasy Chip Butty says...

Our churches are one the richest and wealthiest institutions in the country. I too lay the blame on the previous church owners. But there is ultimately a shelf life to all buildings and sooner or later they all have to come down or be rebuilt.
Our churches are one the richest and wealthiest institutions in the country. I too lay the blame on the previous church owners. But there is ultimately a shelf life to all buildings and sooner or later they all have to come down or be rebuilt. Greasy Chip Butty
  • Score: -35

8:50pm Wed 13 Aug 14

buskersball says...

If anyone is interested (and I hope you are) I have opened a FB page with the view to giving this building 'listed' status which should hamper demolition.
Search for Theatre Church Bolton etc
If anyone is interested (and I hope you are) I have opened a FB page with the view to giving this building 'listed' status which should hamper demolition. Search for Theatre Church Bolton etc buskersball
  • Score: -19

9:47pm Wed 13 Aug 14

peter1759 says...

Well I hope the Methodist church are proud of themselves. Turning down an original offer from Cats of £300k to preserve it as a theatre with a full business plan,yet,independent
ly valued at £270k,sold to the present owners with no valuation and no business plan for £500k? . . . and now facing demolition. No morals!
Well I hope the Methodist church are proud of themselves. Turning down an original offer from Cats of £300k to preserve it as a theatre with a full business plan,yet,independent ly valued at £270k,sold to the present owners with no valuation and no business plan for £500k? . . . and now facing demolition. No morals! peter1759
  • Score: -26

10:31pm Wed 13 Aug 14

buskersball says...

I intend to apply here...any thoughts/ideas?
http://www.english-h
eritage.org.uk/profe
ssional/protection/p
rocess/online-applic
ation-form/
I intend to apply here...any thoughts/ideas? http://www.english-h eritage.org.uk/profe ssional/protection/p rocess/online-applic ation-form/ buskersball
  • Score: -27

12:15am Thu 14 Aug 14

pradagucci says...

If everyone was so bothered why didn't you buy it when it was on the markets for ages. It was unused, these drama classes pay very little rent. The place was flooded due to a pipe burst. It would have ended up derilict like 95% of churches are. Bolton needs housing, families with kids are living in one bedroom flats. The guys who purchased it will most likely have a huge mortgage on it......it's still not to late, put your money where your mouth is, buy it off them and then keep it and rent it to these classes for £10 a week, see if you pay the bills with it. Good luck
If everyone was so bothered why didn't you buy it when it was on the markets for ages. It was unused, these drama classes pay very little rent. The place was flooded due to a pipe burst. It would have ended up derilict like 95% of churches are. Bolton needs housing, families with kids are living in one bedroom flats. The guys who purchased it will most likely have a huge mortgage on it......it's still not to late, put your money where your mouth is, buy it off them and then keep it and rent it to these classes for £10 a week, see if you pay the bills with it. Good luck pradagucci
  • Score: 32

12:20am Thu 14 Aug 14

pradagucci says...

rostron wrote:
Not bad paying all that money in 2012, then suddenly in 2014 it has severe
architectural defects!
Sure I would have had an in depth survey done before purchase.
Insult to our intelligence, what the main aim has always been !
Wrong wrong wrong! Do your research, the cost of repair was always to high hence the church moved out. Believe it or not I went to view this place when it was on the market and it needed thousands spending on it!!! But like I said, everyone chip in and buy it off them and good luck with it......
[quote][p][bold]rostron[/bold] wrote: Not bad paying all that money in 2012, then suddenly in 2014 it has severe architectural defects! Sure I would have had an in depth survey done before purchase. Insult to our intelligence, what the main aim has always been ![/p][/quote]Wrong wrong wrong! Do your research, the cost of repair was always to high hence the church moved out. Believe it or not I went to view this place when it was on the market and it needed thousands spending on it!!! But like I said, everyone chip in and buy it off them and good luck with it...... pradagucci
  • Score: 24

12:28am Thu 14 Aug 14

pradagucci says...

markojames wrote:
Rememberscarborough wrote:
This stinks to high heaven and it's time we had a full public enquiry in to Bolton's planning department. The plans that are passed seem totally at odds with their mission statement and it's time to see what other agendas are being used to influence planning department decisions.
Love your post lets get together and stand up for what we believe in ! This is total bulls##t that things are being passed by the council that we have no say in!!just like the 'super mosque 'that we as boltonians DO NOT WANT!!!!so F##kin annoyed bumpy the whole whitewash!!!!
Super Mosque, super mosque, super mosque...Get over it pal........and stop tarnishing the people of Bolton by saying everyone from Bolton is against it, if your protest is anything to go by you hardly scraped 200 people, and that planning meeting, what a bunch of thugs screaming and throwing chairs around, ALL the non Muslims I know in Bolton do not want to associate themselves with scroats like them!
[quote][p][bold]markojames[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rememberscarborough[/bold] wrote: This stinks to high heaven and it's time we had a full public enquiry in to Bolton's planning department. The plans that are passed seem totally at odds with their mission statement and it's time to see what other agendas are being used to influence planning department decisions.[/p][/quote]Love your post lets get together and stand up for what we believe in ! This is total bulls##t that things are being passed by the council that we have no say in!!just like the 'super mosque 'that we as boltonians DO NOT WANT!!!!so F##kin annoyed bumpy the whole whitewash!!!![/p][/quote]Super Mosque, super mosque, super mosque...Get over it pal........and stop tarnishing the people of Bolton by saying everyone from Bolton is against it, if your protest is anything to go by you hardly scraped 200 people, and that planning meeting, what a bunch of thugs screaming and throwing chairs around, ALL the non Muslims I know in Bolton do not want to associate themselves with scroats like them! pradagucci
  • Score: 31

12:34am Thu 14 Aug 14

pradagucci says...

buskersball wrote:
If anyone is interested (and I hope you are) I have opened a FB page with the view to giving this building 'listed' status which should hamper demolition.
Search for Theatre Church Bolton etc
Lol. You must have some spare time.......I give you a better idea. Get some handcuffs and tie yourself to the drain when the JCB's arrive. Just make sure the driver sees you!!
[quote][p][bold]buskersball[/bold] wrote: If anyone is interested (and I hope you are) I have opened a FB page with the view to giving this building 'listed' status which should hamper demolition. Search for Theatre Church Bolton etc[/p][/quote]Lol. You must have some spare time.......I give you a better idea. Get some handcuffs and tie yourself to the drain when the JCB's arrive. Just make sure the driver sees you!! pradagucci
  • Score: 22

12:46am Thu 14 Aug 14

dameous says...

Has Cliff been on all night been voting comments down?
Has Cliff been on all night been voting comments down? dameous
  • Score: -7

12:48am Thu 14 Aug 14

buskersball says...

pradagucci wrote:
buskersball wrote:
If anyone is interested (and I hope you are) I have opened a FB page with the view to giving this building 'listed' status which should hamper demolition.
Search for Theatre Church Bolton etc
Lol. You must have some spare time.......I give you a better idea. Get some handcuffs and tie yourself to the drain when the JCB's arrive. Just make sure the driver sees you!!
erm, should be 'I will give you a better idea'

Yeh I have all the time in the world
[quote][p][bold]pradagucci[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buskersball[/bold] wrote: If anyone is interested (and I hope you are) I have opened a FB page with the view to giving this building 'listed' status which should hamper demolition. Search for Theatre Church Bolton etc[/p][/quote]Lol. You must have some spare time.......I give you a better idea. Get some handcuffs and tie yourself to the drain when the JCB's arrive. Just make sure the driver sees you!![/p][/quote]erm, should be 'I will give you a better idea' Yeh I have all the time in the world buskersball
  • Score: -9

8:09am Thu 14 Aug 14

united99 says...

Oh what a shame they can't do this they can't do that it's a disgrace get over it.....Most of you are talking absolute tosh - if you are that bothered then get together and form a trust and do something about it.
These people have paid for it they can do what they want,stop being jealous.
Any one can talk the talk after the event - these guys are business people and they think smart and it's all about making money, I don't care what you say.
If the previous owners were that bothered about maintaining a so called historic building then they wouldn't have sold it in the first place - it was empty dying and rundown on the inside like a lot of the churches in the town -so don't start blaming other people and telling them what to do because nobody pays half a million pounds so that George and Mildred can drive down Seymour road and admire the building that gave them many happy memories back in the 70s and 80s.
Possible fire comments -one word jealous !!!!!!!!
Oh what a shame they can't do this they can't do that it's a disgrace get over it.....Most of you are talking absolute tosh - if you are that bothered then get together and form a trust and do something about it. These people have paid for it they can do what they want,stop being jealous. Any one can talk the talk after the event - these guys are business people and they think smart and it's all about making money, I don't care what you say. If the previous owners were that bothered about maintaining a so called historic building then they wouldn't have sold it in the first place - it was empty dying and rundown on the inside like a lot of the churches in the town -so don't start blaming other people and telling them what to do because nobody pays half a million pounds so that George and Mildred can drive down Seymour road and admire the building that gave them many happy memories back in the 70s and 80s. Possible fire comments -one word jealous !!!!!!!! united99
  • Score: 1

8:46am Thu 14 Aug 14

myfanwy7 says...

It's called having an opinion - I'm sure you know all about that. This has got nothing to do with jealousy, don't know where you've got that from. But you're right on the nail saying it's all about money. FYI the place was thriving as a drama venue, not dying. Your George and Mildred comment is just stupid.
It's called having an opinion - I'm sure you know all about that. This has got nothing to do with jealousy, don't know where you've got that from. But you're right on the nail saying it's all about money. FYI the place was thriving as a drama venue, not dying. Your George and Mildred comment is just stupid. myfanwy7
  • Score: -3

9:25am Thu 14 Aug 14

longballs r us says...

buskersball wrote:
Sir Nat wrote:
Moan moan moan! What’s wrong with the so called indigenous population.
If it was up to you we would still be in the dark ages. I’ve lived I this town all my life
and didn’t know this place even existed. Now some people with entrepreneurship
Skills have invested half a million pound and wish to make a profit, then let them. If you love these old crumbling buildings then stump up £1/2 million. If you can’t then shut up!
I for one will applaud anyone in this current climate to put their hands in their pocket and invest in this town. We need more people like them. Not moaners who still think they are living in 1914 not 2014
Nonsense...this is a local landmark and a 'performance space' for the entire community...its an asset to the town culturally...believe it or not there are more important things in life than making a quick 'profit'
If you are that desperate to keep the building dip in to your pocket make an offer to the present owners. Rather simple solution rather than spouting your mouth off hoping the racist brigade on here will give you the thumbs up.
[quote][p][bold]buskersball[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Nat[/bold] wrote: Moan moan moan! What’s wrong with the so called indigenous population. If it was up to you we would still be in the dark ages. I’ve lived I this town all my life and didn’t know this place even existed. Now some people with entrepreneurship Skills have invested half a million pound and wish to make a profit, then let them. If you love these old crumbling buildings then stump up £1/2 million. If you can’t then shut up! I for one will applaud anyone in this current climate to put their hands in their pocket and invest in this town. We need more people like them. Not moaners who still think they are living in 1914 not 2014[/p][/quote]Nonsense...this is a local landmark and a 'performance space' for the entire community...its an asset to the town culturally...believe it or not there are more important things in life than making a quick 'profit'[/p][/quote]If you are that desperate to keep the building dip in to your pocket make an offer to the present owners. Rather simple solution rather than spouting your mouth off hoping the racist brigade on here will give you the thumbs up. longballs r us
  • Score: 8

11:35am Thu 14 Aug 14

buskersball says...

longballs r us wrote:
buskersball wrote:
Sir Nat wrote:
Moan moan moan! What’s wrong with the so called indigenous population.
If it was up to you we would still be in the dark ages. I’ve lived I this town all my life
and didn’t know this place even existed. Now some people with entrepreneurship
Skills have invested half a million pound and wish to make a profit, then let them. If you love these old crumbling buildings then stump up £1/2 million. If you can’t then shut up!
I for one will applaud anyone in this current climate to put their hands in their pocket and invest in this town. We need more people like them. Not moaners who still think they are living in 1914 not 2014
Nonsense...this is a local landmark and a 'performance space' for the entire community...its an asset to the town culturally...believe it or not there are more important things in life than making a quick 'profit'
If you are that desperate to keep the building dip in to your pocket make an offer to the present owners. Rather simple solution rather than spouting your mouth off hoping the racist brigade on here will give you the thumbs up.
This has absolutely zero to do with race, so get that clear right from the off.
The present owners bought this building with the apparent intention of operating it as a venue. If there were terrible structural faults I presume they would have been revealed by any survey they had done (and I presume one was done before they splashed out half a million quid).

If they can't make a go of it commercially, as is, then I have no objection to change of use, however the structure of the building should remain intact.
If they wish to convert it to flats/housing fair enough...it seems large enough to do this and still make a reasonable profit. However total demolition of a historic building (just because the owners can't make a go of it), simply isn't on.
[quote][p][bold]longballs r us[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buskersball[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Nat[/bold] wrote: Moan moan moan! What’s wrong with the so called indigenous population. If it was up to you we would still be in the dark ages. I’ve lived I this town all my life and didn’t know this place even existed. Now some people with entrepreneurship Skills have invested half a million pound and wish to make a profit, then let them. If you love these old crumbling buildings then stump up £1/2 million. If you can’t then shut up! I for one will applaud anyone in this current climate to put their hands in their pocket and invest in this town. We need more people like them. Not moaners who still think they are living in 1914 not 2014[/p][/quote]Nonsense...this is a local landmark and a 'performance space' for the entire community...its an asset to the town culturally...believe it or not there are more important things in life than making a quick 'profit'[/p][/quote]If you are that desperate to keep the building dip in to your pocket make an offer to the present owners. Rather simple solution rather than spouting your mouth off hoping the racist brigade on here will give you the thumbs up.[/p][/quote]This has absolutely zero to do with race, so get that clear right from the off. The present owners bought this building with the apparent intention of operating it as a venue. If there were terrible structural faults I presume they would have been revealed by any survey they had done (and I presume one was done before they splashed out half a million quid). If they can't make a go of it commercially, as is, then I have no objection to change of use, however the structure of the building should remain intact. If they wish to convert it to flats/housing fair enough...it seems large enough to do this and still make a reasonable profit. However total demolition of a historic building (just because the owners can't make a go of it), simply isn't on. buskersball
  • Score: 1

11:49am Thu 14 Aug 14

655321 says...

buskersball wrote:
longballs r us wrote:
buskersball wrote:
Sir Nat wrote:
Moan moan moan! What’s wrong with the so called indigenous population.
If it was up to you we would still be in the dark ages. I’ve lived I this town all my life
and didn’t know this place even existed. Now some people with entrepreneurship
Skills have invested half a million pound and wish to make a profit, then let them. If you love these old crumbling buildings then stump up £1/2 million. If you can’t then shut up!
I for one will applaud anyone in this current climate to put their hands in their pocket and invest in this town. We need more people like them. Not moaners who still think they are living in 1914 not 2014
Nonsense...this is a local landmark and a 'performance space' for the entire community...its an asset to the town culturally...believe it or not there are more important things in life than making a quick 'profit'
If you are that desperate to keep the building dip in to your pocket make an offer to the present owners. Rather simple solution rather than spouting your mouth off hoping the racist brigade on here will give you the thumbs up.
This has absolutely zero to do with race, so get that clear right from the off.
The present owners bought this building with the apparent intention of operating it as a venue. If there were terrible structural faults I presume they would have been revealed by any survey they had done (and I presume one was done before they splashed out half a million quid).

If they can't make a go of it commercially, as is, then I have no objection to change of use, however the structure of the building should remain intact.
If they wish to convert it to flats/housing fair enough...it seems large enough to do this and still make a reasonable profit. However total demolition of a historic building (just because the owners can't make a go of it), simply isn't on.
Its a running theme on here I'm afraid buskersball. Any less than positive comments where muslims are involved = accusations of racism and/or anti-white comments by the usual suspects.
[quote][p][bold]buskersball[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]longballs r us[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buskersball[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Nat[/bold] wrote: Moan moan moan! What’s wrong with the so called indigenous population. If it was up to you we would still be in the dark ages. I’ve lived I this town all my life and didn’t know this place even existed. Now some people with entrepreneurship Skills have invested half a million pound and wish to make a profit, then let them. If you love these old crumbling buildings then stump up £1/2 million. If you can’t then shut up! I for one will applaud anyone in this current climate to put their hands in their pocket and invest in this town. We need more people like them. Not moaners who still think they are living in 1914 not 2014[/p][/quote]Nonsense...this is a local landmark and a 'performance space' for the entire community...its an asset to the town culturally...believe it or not there are more important things in life than making a quick 'profit'[/p][/quote]If you are that desperate to keep the building dip in to your pocket make an offer to the present owners. Rather simple solution rather than spouting your mouth off hoping the racist brigade on here will give you the thumbs up.[/p][/quote]This has absolutely zero to do with race, so get that clear right from the off. The present owners bought this building with the apparent intention of operating it as a venue. If there were terrible structural faults I presume they would have been revealed by any survey they had done (and I presume one was done before they splashed out half a million quid). If they can't make a go of it commercially, as is, then I have no objection to change of use, however the structure of the building should remain intact. If they wish to convert it to flats/housing fair enough...it seems large enough to do this and still make a reasonable profit. However total demolition of a historic building (just because the owners can't make a go of it), simply isn't on.[/p][/quote]Its a running theme on here I'm afraid buskersball. Any less than positive comments where muslims are involved = accusations of racism and/or anti-white comments by the usual suspects. 655321
  • Score: -1

11:56am Thu 14 Aug 14

LoveBolton says...

buskersball wrote:
Sir Nat wrote:
Moan moan moan! What’s wrong with the so called indigenous population.
If it was up to you we would still be in the dark ages. I’ve lived I this town all my life
and didn’t know this place even existed. Now some people with entrepreneurship
Skills have invested half a million pound and wish to make a profit, then let them. If you love these old crumbling buildings then stump up £1/2 million. If you can’t then shut up!
I for one will applaud anyone in this current climate to put their hands in their pocket and invest in this town. We need more people like them. Not moaners who still think they are living in 1914 not 2014
Nonsense...this is a local landmark and a 'performance space' for the entire community...its an asset to the town culturally...believe it or not there are more important things in life than making a quick 'profit'
Heres an idea why dont you contact Paul Cohen, chairman of Bolton Amateur Theatre Societies (BATS), they say they raised 300k. Not for to go to raise some more cash and make the new owners a offer they cant refuse I m sure they ll snap your hand off. I m sure they ll be quite happy to walk away from the project on hand. Less stress for them and no financial risk. I think NOT all mouth no action. I say good luck to them in there plans. To invest that kind of money at this current situation is a bold move. All the original stone work has been painted over, most probably it was in a bad condition.
[quote][p][bold]buskersball[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Nat[/bold] wrote: Moan moan moan! What’s wrong with the so called indigenous population. If it was up to you we would still be in the dark ages. I’ve lived I this town all my life and didn’t know this place even existed. Now some people with entrepreneurship Skills have invested half a million pound and wish to make a profit, then let them. If you love these old crumbling buildings then stump up £1/2 million. If you can’t then shut up! I for one will applaud anyone in this current climate to put their hands in their pocket and invest in this town. We need more people like them. Not moaners who still think they are living in 1914 not 2014[/p][/quote]Nonsense...this is a local landmark and a 'performance space' for the entire community...its an asset to the town culturally...believe it or not there are more important things in life than making a quick 'profit'[/p][/quote]Heres an idea why dont you contact Paul Cohen, chairman of Bolton Amateur Theatre Societies (BATS), they say they raised 300k. Not for to go to raise some more cash and make the new owners a offer they cant refuse I m sure they ll snap your hand off. I m sure they ll be quite happy to walk away from the project on hand. Less stress for them and no financial risk. I think NOT all mouth no action. I say good luck to them in there plans. To invest that kind of money at this current situation is a bold move. All the original stone work has been painted over, most probably it was in a bad condition. LoveBolton
  • Score: 14

12:03pm Thu 14 Aug 14

buskersball says...

LoveBolton wrote:
buskersball wrote:
Sir Nat wrote:
Moan moan moan! What’s wrong with the so called indigenous population.
If it was up to you we would still be in the dark ages. I’ve lived I this town all my life
and didn’t know this place even existed. Now some people with entrepreneurship
Skills have invested half a million pound and wish to make a profit, then let them. If you love these old crumbling buildings then stump up £1/2 million. If you can’t then shut up!
I for one will applaud anyone in this current climate to put their hands in their pocket and invest in this town. We need more people like them. Not moaners who still think they are living in 1914 not 2014
Nonsense...this is a local landmark and a 'performance space' for the entire community...its an asset to the town culturally...believe it or not there are more important things in life than making a quick 'profit'
Heres an idea why dont you contact Paul Cohen, chairman of Bolton Amateur Theatre Societies (BATS), they say they raised 300k. Not for to go to raise some more cash and make the new owners a offer they cant refuse I m sure they ll snap your hand off. I m sure they ll be quite happy to walk away from the project on hand. Less stress for them and no financial risk. I think NOT all mouth no action. I say good luck to them in there plans. To invest that kind of money at this current situation is a bold move. All the original stone work has been painted over, most probably it was in a bad condition.
They spent half a million without a proper survey/business plan?

Mmmm...maybe not quite a good move...seems they messed up!

In which case I don't see why a building that is part of Bolton's architectural heritage should be bulldozed just because the owners can't make a go of it.
[quote][p][bold]LoveBolton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buskersball[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Nat[/bold] wrote: Moan moan moan! What’s wrong with the so called indigenous population. If it was up to you we would still be in the dark ages. I’ve lived I this town all my life and didn’t know this place even existed. Now some people with entrepreneurship Skills have invested half a million pound and wish to make a profit, then let them. If you love these old crumbling buildings then stump up £1/2 million. If you can’t then shut up! I for one will applaud anyone in this current climate to put their hands in their pocket and invest in this town. We need more people like them. Not moaners who still think they are living in 1914 not 2014[/p][/quote]Nonsense...this is a local landmark and a 'performance space' for the entire community...its an asset to the town culturally...believe it or not there are more important things in life than making a quick 'profit'[/p][/quote]Heres an idea why dont you contact Paul Cohen, chairman of Bolton Amateur Theatre Societies (BATS), they say they raised 300k. Not for to go to raise some more cash and make the new owners a offer they cant refuse I m sure they ll snap your hand off. I m sure they ll be quite happy to walk away from the project on hand. Less stress for them and no financial risk. I think NOT all mouth no action. I say good luck to them in there plans. To invest that kind of money at this current situation is a bold move. All the original stone work has been painted over, most probably it was in a bad condition.[/p][/quote]They spent half a million without a proper survey/business plan? Mmmm...maybe not quite a good move...seems they messed up! In which case I don't see why a building that is part of Bolton's architectural heritage should be bulldozed just because the owners can't make a go of it. buskersball
  • Score: -7

12:21pm Thu 14 Aug 14

LoveBolton says...

buskersball wrote:
longballs r us wrote:
buskersball wrote:
Sir Nat wrote:
Moan moan moan! What’s wrong with the so called indigenous population.
If it was up to you we would still be in the dark ages. I’ve lived I this town all my life
and didn’t know this place even existed. Now some people with entrepreneurship
Skills have invested half a million pound and wish to make a profit, then let them. If you love these old crumbling buildings then stump up £1/2 million. If you can’t then shut up!
I for one will applaud anyone in this current climate to put their hands in their pocket and invest in this town. We need more people like them. Not moaners who still think they are living in 1914 not 2014
Nonsense...this is a local landmark and a 'performance space' for the entire community...its an asset to the town culturally...believe it or not there are more important things in life than making a quick 'profit'
If you are that desperate to keep the building dip in to your pocket make an offer to the present owners. Rather simple solution rather than spouting your mouth off hoping the racist brigade on here will give you the thumbs up.
This has absolutely zero to do with race, so get that clear right from the off.
The present owners bought this building with the apparent intention of operating it as a venue. If there were terrible structural faults I presume they would have been revealed by any survey they had done (and I presume one was done before they splashed out half a million quid).

If they can't make a go of it commercially, as is, then I have no objection to change of use, however the structure of the building should remain intact.
If they wish to convert it to flats/housing fair enough...it seems large enough to do this and still make a reasonable profit. However total demolition of a historic building (just because the owners can't make a go of it), simply isn't on.
In assume some of you are structural engineers with the comments made about the building being in good condition. Most of you wont even know what current buildings regulation requirements are to bring back a old building to modern requirements. What so special about the building as mentioned before all the original stone work has been painted over most probably to hide the defects. And this design is still used in many new building projects.
[quote][p][bold]buskersball[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]longballs r us[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buskersball[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Nat[/bold] wrote: Moan moan moan! What’s wrong with the so called indigenous population. If it was up to you we would still be in the dark ages. I’ve lived I this town all my life and didn’t know this place even existed. Now some people with entrepreneurship Skills have invested half a million pound and wish to make a profit, then let them. If you love these old crumbling buildings then stump up £1/2 million. If you can’t then shut up! I for one will applaud anyone in this current climate to put their hands in their pocket and invest in this town. We need more people like them. Not moaners who still think they are living in 1914 not 2014[/p][/quote]Nonsense...this is a local landmark and a 'performance space' for the entire community...its an asset to the town culturally...believe it or not there are more important things in life than making a quick 'profit'[/p][/quote]If you are that desperate to keep the building dip in to your pocket make an offer to the present owners. Rather simple solution rather than spouting your mouth off hoping the racist brigade on here will give you the thumbs up.[/p][/quote]This has absolutely zero to do with race, so get that clear right from the off. The present owners bought this building with the apparent intention of operating it as a venue. If there were terrible structural faults I presume they would have been revealed by any survey they had done (and I presume one was done before they splashed out half a million quid). If they can't make a go of it commercially, as is, then I have no objection to change of use, however the structure of the building should remain intact. If they wish to convert it to flats/housing fair enough...it seems large enough to do this and still make a reasonable profit. However total demolition of a historic building (just because the owners can't make a go of it), simply isn't on.[/p][/quote]In assume some of you are structural engineers with the comments made about the building being in good condition. Most of you wont even know what current buildings regulation requirements are to bring back a old building to modern requirements. What so special about the building as mentioned before all the original stone work has been painted over most probably to hide the defects. And this design is still used in many new building projects. LoveBolton
  • Score: 3

12:32pm Thu 14 Aug 14

buskersball says...

So a survey was done, but the surveyor was fooled because the stonework was painted over? Mmmm...

Has the building been used for any kind of event since the last sale?
If so, I presume all the paperwork re building regulations was cleared.... or was it trading as 'unsafe' premises?

If the building has deteriorated since the last change of ownership, that is the owners neglect...maintenanc
e is something that should have been factored into their original plans when they bought the building.
So a survey was done, but the surveyor was fooled because the stonework was painted over? Mmmm... Has the building been used for any kind of event since the last sale? If so, I presume all the paperwork re building regulations was cleared.... or was it trading as 'unsafe' premises? If the building has deteriorated since the last change of ownership, that is the owners neglect...maintenanc e is something that should have been factored into their original plans when they bought the building. buskersball
  • Score: -1

12:35pm Thu 14 Aug 14

buskersball says...

NB I am not objecting to 'change' of use. By all means have housing...but demolition of this unique building shouldnt be an option.
Convert it to flats/apartments whatever...
NB I am not objecting to 'change' of use. By all means have housing...but demolition of this unique building shouldnt be an option. Convert it to flats/apartments whatever... buskersball
  • Score: -11

1:11pm Thu 14 Aug 14

LoveBolton says...

buskersball wrote:
So a survey was done, but the surveyor was fooled because the stonework was painted over? Mmmm...

Has the building been used for any kind of event since the last sale?
If so, I presume all the paperwork re building regulations was cleared.... or was it trading as 'unsafe' premises?

If the building has deteriorated since the last change of ownership, that is the owners neglect...maintenanc

e is something that should have been factored into their original plans when they bought the building.
No I m not saying the outside stone work is unsafe. Like all old stone heads and window ledges they perish away in time so they just getted painted over. The structural work most probably needs doing from inside. This building will have been built on just clay thats how old builds where done in them days. When they first purchased it would have been fine for the use they needed for at that time. But when you have building work done inside a building you need to comply with current building regulations so a new report would have most probably needed and the result will not have been good. Most times its just best to knock down and rebuild. Safer better and more cost effective. And no I dont know who these owners are. I just talking from a objective point of view. More importantly they can do what they want it's there building that they invested in with half a millon. Its not a listed building so stop your moaning and put your money where your mouth is and do some ut about it if you wanna keep this so called heritage building.
[quote][p][bold]buskersball[/bold] wrote: So a survey was done, but the surveyor was fooled because the stonework was painted over? Mmmm... Has the building been used for any kind of event since the last sale? If so, I presume all the paperwork re building regulations was cleared.... or was it trading as 'unsafe' premises? If the building has deteriorated since the last change of ownership, that is the owners neglect...maintenanc e is something that should have been factored into their original plans when they bought the building.[/p][/quote]No I m not saying the outside stone work is unsafe. Like all old stone heads and window ledges they perish away in time so they just getted painted over. The structural work most probably needs doing from inside. This building will have been built on just clay thats how old builds where done in them days. When they first purchased it would have been fine for the use they needed for at that time. But when you have building work done inside a building you need to comply with current building regulations so a new report would have most probably needed and the result will not have been good. Most times its just best to knock down and rebuild. Safer better and more cost effective. And no I dont know who these owners are. I just talking from a objective point of view. More importantly they can do what they want it's there building that they invested in with half a millon. Its not a listed building so stop your moaning and put your money where your mouth is and do some ut about it if you wanna keep this so called heritage building. LoveBolton
  • Score: 11

5:40pm Thu 14 Aug 14

LoveBolton says...

NOTE This building previously was used as a church owned by the church but was nt purpose built as church. They used it best as they could. Similar way muslims buy rundown buildings and turn them into mosque as best as they can. Building needed much repair but it was not worth spending all that money on a building which did not look like a church. The theatre company paid very little rent it was costing the church more in maintenance, so It was in the churches best interest sell the building, they got a offer they could not refuse. Who can blame them, the sale of this property has given then much needed funds to build a purpose built church on chorley old rd junction of new church rd. You wanna turn it back into a theatre go for it we got loads a celebs from Bolton why not ask them to join in quest.
NOTE This building previously was used as a church owned by the church but was nt purpose built as church. They used it best as they could. Similar way muslims buy rundown buildings and turn them into mosque as best as they can. Building needed much repair but it was not worth spending all that money on a building which did not look like a church. The theatre company paid very little rent it was costing the church more in maintenance, so It was in the churches best interest sell the building, they got a offer they could not refuse. Who can blame them, the sale of this property has given then much needed funds to build a purpose built church on chorley old rd junction of new church rd. You wanna turn it back into a theatre go for it we got loads a celebs from Bolton why not ask them to join in quest. LoveBolton
  • Score: 17

6:26pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Djorkaeff's right peg says...

LoveBolton wrote:
NOTE This building previously was used as a church owned by the church but was nt purpose built as church. They used it best as they could. Similar way muslims buy rundown buildings and turn them into mosque as best as they can. Building needed much repair but it was not worth spending all that money on a building which did not look like a church. The theatre company paid very little rent it was costing the church more in maintenance, so It was in the churches best interest sell the building, they got a offer they could not refuse. Who can blame them, the sale of this property has given then much needed funds to build a purpose built church on chorley old rd junction of new church rd. You wanna turn it back into a theatre go for it we got loads a celebs from Bolton why not ask them to join in quest.
I think you're flogging a dead horse now pal, just leave it. The topic has now been exhausted. There have been mixed responses but that is democracy. Great, isn't it? I look forward to seeing your eloquent and cohesive comments on other topics in the future.

Best wishes
[quote][p][bold]LoveBolton[/bold] wrote: NOTE This building previously was used as a church owned by the church but was nt purpose built as church. They used it best as they could. Similar way muslims buy rundown buildings and turn them into mosque as best as they can. Building needed much repair but it was not worth spending all that money on a building which did not look like a church. The theatre company paid very little rent it was costing the church more in maintenance, so It was in the churches best interest sell the building, they got a offer they could not refuse. Who can blame them, the sale of this property has given then much needed funds to build a purpose built church on chorley old rd junction of new church rd. You wanna turn it back into a theatre go for it we got loads a celebs from Bolton why not ask them to join in quest.[/p][/quote]I think you're flogging a dead horse now pal, just leave it. The topic has now been exhausted. There have been mixed responses but that is democracy. Great, isn't it? I look forward to seeing your eloquent and cohesive comments on other topics in the future. Best wishes Djorkaeff's right peg
  • Score: -1

6:51pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Djorkaeff's right peg says...

Anyway, after viewing all posts on this topic it is by unanimous decision (majority verdict) that the people of Bolton and surrounding areas are against this proposal, outnumbering the opposition by landslide.

I now declare all the anti-heritage and anti-preservation society be put into ROOM 101 with immediate effect. Along with the sinister entrepreneurs who use ulterior motives to deceive in order to make a fast buck.
Anyway, after viewing all posts on this topic it is by unanimous decision (majority verdict) that the people of Bolton and surrounding areas are against this proposal, outnumbering the opposition by landslide. I now declare all the anti-heritage and anti-preservation society be put into ROOM 101 with immediate effect. Along with the sinister entrepreneurs who use ulterior motives to deceive in order to make a fast buck. Djorkaeff's right peg
  • Score: 0

7:26am Fri 15 Aug 14

united99 says...

People of bolton you're missing the point - it doesn't matter if the property was surveyed before they bought it or it's now crumbling or they should keep the outer building as it is now !!!
They can do what they want with it folks - good luck to the team.
People of bolton you're missing the point - it doesn't matter if the property was surveyed before they bought it or it's now crumbling or they should keep the outer building as it is now !!! They can do what they want with it folks - good luck to the team. united99
  • Score: -5

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