15 new Royal Bolton Hospital nurses arrive from Spain and Portugal

15 new nurses arrive from Spain and Portugal

The new intake are welcomed to the Royal Bolton Hospital yesterday

New nurse Levi Matos

First published in News The Bolton News: Photograph of the Author by , health reporter

THE Royal Bolton’s latest nursing recruits from Spain and Portugal have arrived — and will start work at the hospital next week.

A group of matrons and HR staff went to Madrid and Porto in June as part of a recruitment drive to bring qualified staff to Bolton.

Yesterday 15 out of the 40 new recruits were welcomed to the Bolton NHS Foundation Trust and given a tour of the hospital.

Bev Tabernacle, deputy director of nursing, said: “There is a shortage of staff and that’s because of the recent emphasis on improving front-line nursing.

“We had a number of nursing vacancies that we needed to fill and have been lucky enough to go and do some international recruitment.”

Joni Guijarro Gomez has moved to Bolton with his wife from Spain.

The 24-year-old says the standard of healthcare in the UK was much better for nurses and for staff.

Mr Gomez, from Granada, said: “In the UK, the care for patients is very good.

“In Spain, it’s not like that in hospitals because of the financial problems.

“Here the nurses can progress and do well which is good for the community and better for the patients.”

Levi Correia, aged 26, from Portugal, added: “I always wanted to come to the UK to work.

“I’m hoping I will be able to train to work in the Intensive Care Unit in the future.

“I’m very excited to see how things work in this hospital. Before coming here I worked in Northern Ireland. Bolton is a nicer place.”

Hospital bosses announced plans to appoint 143 new nursing staff as part of a £2.5million investment a year ago.

But bosses admitted recruitment had been an issue because of a lack of training places.

Last December chiefs at the Royal Bolton had to look abroad to fill vacancies.

Pre-registration nurses are now given the opportunity to apply for a job nine months before they qualify.

The new recruits will start on Monday, August 25. and another 27 are scheduled to begin work full-time in September.

Royal Bolton Hospital bosses have recruited staff from abroad in the past.

Back in 2002, 24 nurses from the Philippines arrived in the town to fill a shortfall of nurses.

Many have settled in Bolton, made it their home and are still a vital part of the team at the Royal Bolton Hospital.

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10:28am Thu 14 Aug 14

wsw69 says...

I'm not knocking these peoples abilities, but sure to Christ we must have some of our home grown medical professionals to fill these posts.

The way this country is heading with ideas and schemes like this is completely wrong. The reverse isn't happening, that's for sure.

What happened to seeing to your own first? We are the makers of our own downfall, always selling off to the best bidder, usually foreign.
I'm not knocking these peoples abilities, but sure to Christ we must have some of our home grown medical professionals to fill these posts. The way this country is heading with ideas and schemes like this is completely wrong. The reverse isn't happening, that's for sure. What happened to seeing to your own first? We are the makers of our own downfall, always selling off to the best bidder, usually foreign. wsw69
  • Score: 38

10:47am Thu 14 Aug 14

atlas123 says...

The trouble is loads of student nurses start training in this country every year... Many of them drop out of the training degree courses or stop practicing within 5 years.

Usually because it is not what they was expecting and they "dont like it."


The Universities are of course incentivised to take on students as they get funding per captia so perhaps they are painting an unrealistic picture of life as a nurse?

That said, its not a job i could do!


Perhaps there is some milage in the BN finding out how many people start training as a nurse, how many finish the training, and how many are still nursing in 5 years post qualification. Perhaps the RCN could help?
The trouble is loads of student nurses start training in this country every year... Many of them drop out of the training degree courses or stop practicing within 5 years. Usually because it is not what they was expecting and they "dont like it." The Universities are of course incentivised to take on students as they get funding per captia so perhaps they are painting an unrealistic picture of life as a nurse? That said, its not a job i could do! Perhaps there is some milage in the BN finding out how many people start training as a nurse, how many finish the training, and how many are still nursing in 5 years post qualification. Perhaps the RCN could help? atlas123
  • Score: 14

10:48am Thu 14 Aug 14

atlas123 says...

They come over here, take our jobs, treat our sick, take money from the NHS, do a job that apparently nobody wants... make our hospitals better...

Vote Ukip



I bet they've only come for the weather!
They come over here, take our jobs, treat our sick, take money from the NHS, do a job that apparently nobody wants... make our hospitals better... Vote Ukip I bet they've only come for the weather! atlas123
  • Score: 11

10:54am Thu 14 Aug 14

Smile everyday88 says...

Atlas123 I take it you have lots of money for private health care. Universities dupe people into the idea that nursing is rewarding and when they start placements they realise it's not what they expected and no I am not a nurse
Atlas123 I take it you have lots of money for private health care. Universities dupe people into the idea that nursing is rewarding and when they start placements they realise it's not what they expected and no I am not a nurse Smile everyday88
  • Score: 6

11:05am Thu 14 Aug 14

FedupwithBolton says...

I am sure these nurses are fine but we have our own qualified ones. Give employment to British people. Encourage our young people to train as nurses. Instead of hiking up Uni fees which have put many people off going because of the debt they will have give them an incentive. Plus how much did it cost to send a recruitment team over to Spain and Portugal? That money could have been used for a recruitment drive in Bolton.
I am sure these nurses are fine but we have our own qualified ones. Give employment to British people. Encourage our young people to train as nurses. Instead of hiking up Uni fees which have put many people off going because of the debt they will have give them an incentive. Plus how much did it cost to send a recruitment team over to Spain and Portugal? That money could have been used for a recruitment drive in Bolton. FedupwithBolton
  • Score: 18

11:42am Thu 14 Aug 14

atlas123 says...

Smile everyday88 wrote:
Atlas123 I take it you have lots of money for private health care. Universities dupe people into the idea that nursing is rewarding and when they start placements they realise it's not what they expected and no I am not a nurse
I dont follow you?

My second comment was very tongue in cheek, mocking the usual comments on this website.

As for the uni's and trusts duping students i agree and i have some experience of it. Its not only on these courses.
[quote][p][bold]Smile everyday88[/bold] wrote: Atlas123 I take it you have lots of money for private health care. Universities dupe people into the idea that nursing is rewarding and when they start placements they realise it's not what they expected and no I am not a nurse[/p][/quote]I dont follow you? My second comment was very tongue in cheek, mocking the usual comments on this website. As for the uni's and trusts duping students i agree and i have some experience of it. Its not only on these courses. atlas123
  • Score: 8

11:43am Thu 14 Aug 14

manchester1 says...

atlas123 wrote:
They come over here, take our jobs, treat our sick, take money from the NHS, do a job that apparently nobody wants... make our hospitals better...

Vote Ukip



I bet they've only come for the weather!
lol
[quote][p][bold]atlas123[/bold] wrote: They come over here, take our jobs, treat our sick, take money from the NHS, do a job that apparently nobody wants... make our hospitals better... Vote Ukip I bet they've only come for the weather![/p][/quote]lol manchester1
  • Score: 3

12:05pm Thu 14 Aug 14

filthy6 says...

The shortage of nurses is probably down to poor pay
The shortage of nurses is probably down to poor pay filthy6
  • Score: 14

12:13pm Thu 14 Aug 14

atlas123 says...

filthy6 wrote:
The shortage of nurses is probably down to poor pay
With a starting salary of over £21,000 per year, pay for newly qualified nurses compares favourably with graduate entry salaries in other fields.


For example:

Police

Starting salary for constable commencing service: £19'000 (post Windsor)
London weighting around 10%

Teaching

Starting salary for qualified teacher (point M1): £21,588
London weighting up to 25%

Local Government (National Graduate Development Programme)

Starting salary for graduate local government officer: £22,730
London weighting where applicable

Royal Air Force

Starting salary for pilot officer or NCO aircrew: £24,000 – £27,000

Civil Service (Graduate Fast Stream)

Starting salary within London area: £25,000 – £27,000
[quote][p][bold]filthy6[/bold] wrote: The shortage of nurses is probably down to poor pay[/p][/quote]With a starting salary of over £21,000 per year, pay for newly qualified nurses compares favourably with graduate entry salaries in other fields. For example: Police Starting salary for constable commencing service: £19'000 (post Windsor) London weighting around 10% Teaching Starting salary for qualified teacher (point M1): £21,588 London weighting up to 25% Local Government (National Graduate Development Programme) Starting salary for graduate local government officer: £22,730 London weighting where applicable Royal Air Force Starting salary for pilot officer or NCO aircrew: £24,000 – £27,000 Civil Service (Graduate Fast Stream) Starting salary within London area: £25,000 – £27,000 atlas123
  • Score: 0

1:19pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Nurse queenie says...

As a nurse myself I have nothing against these people from other countries,but I agree totally that these jobs should be for British nurses. When I qualified there was no jobs available and we had to take a job on a busy ward not of our choice. There was at least 8 people for 1 job!!! As for the pay yes it's ok I suppose but put that into context £21700 after tax is about £1350 a month I know people who do jobs with less than a quarter of responsibilities compared to a nurse, and do not work shifts,nights long 12.5 hour days!!! That's why Australia looks a better bet than here for slot of British nurses!
As a nurse myself I have nothing against these people from other countries,but I agree totally that these jobs should be for British nurses. When I qualified there was no jobs available and we had to take a job on a busy ward not of our choice. There was at least 8 people for 1 job!!! As for the pay yes it's ok I suppose but put that into context £21700 after tax is about £1350 a month I know people who do jobs with less than a quarter of responsibilities compared to a nurse, and do not work shifts,nights long 12.5 hour days!!! That's why Australia looks a better bet than here for slot of British nurses! Nurse queenie
  • Score: 11

1:43pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Rememberscarborough says...

How many unemployed nurses are their in this country who are British nationals? Not many at a guess and I suspect that's a reflection that many view the dole as a better option.

Whether that's a reflection of paying people too much in benefits or not enough in salaries for nursing staff I don't know but it does seem strange that none of the 2m unemployed view a career in nursing as an alternative to sitting at home....
How many unemployed nurses are their in this country who are British nationals? Not many at a guess and I suspect that's a reflection that many view the dole as a better option. Whether that's a reflection of paying people too much in benefits or not enough in salaries for nursing staff I don't know but it does seem strange that none of the 2m unemployed view a career in nursing as an alternative to sitting at home.... Rememberscarborough
  • Score: -7

2:20pm Thu 14 Aug 14

nigella farrage says...

But to gain a career in nursing takes 5 years by which time we will be in another downturn with public services (such as NHS) being squeezed even more!!!!!
But to gain a career in nursing takes 5 years by which time we will be in another downturn with public services (such as NHS) being squeezed even more!!!!! nigella farrage
  • Score: 2

3:38pm Thu 14 Aug 14

thedom.com says...

Hope they are better than some of the staff at Bolton hospital ,ive heard and seen some shocking stuff ....wouldnt have my dog treated there.
Hope they are better than some of the staff at Bolton hospital ,ive heard and seen some shocking stuff ....wouldnt have my dog treated there. thedom.com
  • Score: -8

3:46pm Thu 14 Aug 14

stylish says...

shortage of nurses in this country is not down to pay its down to how they are treated by management they work very long hours way past when their shift ends for no pay and no thanks most nurses love what they do but are pushed over their limits there is a lot of intimidation that nurses have to put up with on a daily basis from hierarchy so retention of good nurse's is a big problem treat them better and they would not leave as for recruiting foreign nurse's in the past lots of problems as they didn't have a good knowledge of the English language and some times very little knowledge of medical conditions
shortage of nurses in this country is not down to pay its down to how they are treated by management they work very long hours way past when their shift ends for no pay and no thanks most nurses love what they do but are pushed over their limits there is a lot of intimidation that nurses have to put up with on a daily basis from hierarchy so retention of good nurse's is a big problem treat them better and they would not leave as for recruiting foreign nurse's in the past lots of problems as they didn't have a good knowledge of the English language and some times very little knowledge of medical conditions stylish
  • Score: 8

4:14pm Thu 14 Aug 14

boltonnut says...

So when do their extended family arrive.
So when do their extended family arrive. boltonnut
  • Score: 10

4:37pm Thu 14 Aug 14

filthy6 says...

boltonnut wrote:
So when do their extended family arrive.
From Spain & Portugal - anytime they want as they in the EU. Whether they would want to is another matter
[quote][p][bold]boltonnut[/bold] wrote: So when do their extended family arrive.[/p][/quote]From Spain & Portugal - anytime they want as they in the EU. Whether they would want to is another matter filthy6
  • Score: 6

5:59pm Thu 14 Aug 14

underwater says...

I hope they are better than the night staff on a ward at the Royal Bolton Hospital that I was unfortunate to be on for a night last year. The person in charge wandered around the ward for most of the night chatting in a very loud foreign accent into her mobile phone. The person in the kitchen again not English decided 2am in the morning was a great time to wash the supper crockery and could not have made more noise had she tried. Needless to say no one got any sleep, I was delighted to be discharged the following day and felt sorry for the patients who had to stay.
I hope they are better than the night staff on a ward at the Royal Bolton Hospital that I was unfortunate to be on for a night last year. The person in charge wandered around the ward for most of the night chatting in a very loud foreign accent into her mobile phone. The person in the kitchen again not English decided 2am in the morning was a great time to wash the supper crockery and could not have made more noise had she tried. Needless to say no one got any sleep, I was delighted to be discharged the following day and felt sorry for the patients who had to stay. underwater
  • Score: 7

7:02pm Thu 14 Aug 14

BIG ERN says...

Can we stop saying shortages are down to poor pay, please. I'm a newly qualified RMN and my pay packet is just fine for the job that I do.
The problems are thus:
Firstly: Universities and the NMC now insist that all nurses be degree trained. Newsflash: nursing requires some intellect but a hell of a lot more common sense and empathy. Lots of people are missing out on enroling because of this. The fact that you can write a 5000 word essay should have no relation to how you are judged on the ward.

Secondly: A lot of younger students are leaving school and enrolling onto nursing courses without having had any experience of working in a medical and health and social care setting and when it comes to the basic stuff, like wiping bottoms and cleaning vomit, they turn their noses up at it.
Can we stop saying shortages are down to poor pay, please. I'm a newly qualified RMN and my pay packet is just fine for the job that I do. The problems are thus: Firstly: Universities and the NMC now insist that all nurses be degree trained. Newsflash: nursing requires some intellect but a hell of a lot more common sense and empathy. Lots of people are missing out on enroling because of this. The fact that you can write a 5000 word essay should have no relation to how you are judged on the ward. Secondly: A lot of younger students are leaving school and enrolling onto nursing courses without having had any experience of working in a medical and health and social care setting and when it comes to the basic stuff, like wiping bottoms and cleaning vomit, they turn their noses up at it. BIG ERN
  • Score: 13

7:03pm Thu 14 Aug 14

BIG ERN says...

nigella farrage wrote:
But to gain a career in nursing takes 5 years by which time we will be in another downturn with public services (such as NHS) being squeezed even more!!!!!
3 years.
[quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: But to gain a career in nursing takes 5 years by which time we will be in another downturn with public services (such as NHS) being squeezed even more!!!!![/p][/quote]3 years. BIG ERN
  • Score: -1

8:06pm Thu 14 Aug 14

bwfc0210 says...

stylish wrote:
shortage of nurses in this country is not down to pay its down to how they are treated by management they work very long hours way past when their shift ends for no pay and no thanks most nurses love what they do but are pushed over their limits there is a lot of intimidation that nurses have to put up with on a daily basis from hierarchy so retention of good nurse's is a big problem treat them better and they would not leave as for recruiting foreign nurse's in the past lots of problems as they didn't have a good knowledge of the English language and some times very little knowledge of medical conditions
You've hit the nail on the head. My wife would quit tomorrow if we could afford it. Where she works, management cocoon themselves in offices all day, never help, never ask how things are, never work weekends, make decisions that baffle nurses at the coal face and when they ask why, 'cos I said so! She never finishes on time, constantly sees new agency staff who don't know the unit or patients. She is always coping with 10 patients or more not the accepted 8. All this for a nurse with over 25 years experience who wanted to be a nurse as a vocation, not a job.
[quote][p][bold]stylish[/bold] wrote: shortage of nurses in this country is not down to pay its down to how they are treated by management they work very long hours way past when their shift ends for no pay and no thanks most nurses love what they do but are pushed over their limits there is a lot of intimidation that nurses have to put up with on a daily basis from hierarchy so retention of good nurse's is a big problem treat them better and they would not leave as for recruiting foreign nurse's in the past lots of problems as they didn't have a good knowledge of the English language and some times very little knowledge of medical conditions[/p][/quote]You've hit the nail on the head. My wife would quit tomorrow if we could afford it. Where she works, management cocoon themselves in offices all day, never help, never ask how things are, never work weekends, make decisions that baffle nurses at the coal face and when they ask why, 'cos I said so! She never finishes on time, constantly sees new agency staff who don't know the unit or patients. She is always coping with 10 patients or more not the accepted 8. All this for a nurse with over 25 years experience who wanted to be a nurse as a vocation, not a job. bwfc0210
  • Score: 8

8:34pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Citizen Cane says...

filthy6 wrote:
The shortage of nurses is probably down to poor pay
The high pay of UK nurses attracts overseas workers.

Meanwhile, the overgenerous benefits system attracts lazy Brits to a life of fast breeding laziness at taxpayers expense.

In a nutshell, that is Broken Britain
[quote][p][bold]filthy6[/bold] wrote: The shortage of nurses is probably down to poor pay[/p][/quote]The high pay of UK nurses attracts overseas workers. Meanwhile, the overgenerous benefits system attracts lazy Brits to a life of fast breeding laziness at taxpayers expense. In a nutshell, that is Broken Britain Citizen Cane
  • Score: 0

9:37pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Janbur says...

I thought the Royal Bolton was in debt?????????????
I thought the Royal Bolton was in debt????????????? Janbur
  • Score: 1

9:44pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Janbur says...

Rememberscarborough wrote:
How many unemployed nurses are their in this country who are British nationals? Not many at a guess and I suspect that's a reflection that many view the dole as a better option.

Whether that's a reflection of paying people too much in benefits or not enough in salaries for nursing staff I don't know but it does seem strange that none of the 2m unemployed view a career in nursing as an alternative to sitting at home....
My daughter was a nurse for NHS I tell you they treat them like dirt and its more filling in larenzer sheets than patient care,they were allocated so long with each patient so there was no time to chat to your patient,Shes out of the NHS,and NO she hasn't gone on the dole shes got a better job and the people respect her
[quote][p][bold]Rememberscarborough[/bold] wrote: How many unemployed nurses are their in this country who are British nationals? Not many at a guess and I suspect that's a reflection that many view the dole as a better option. Whether that's a reflection of paying people too much in benefits or not enough in salaries for nursing staff I don't know but it does seem strange that none of the 2m unemployed view a career in nursing as an alternative to sitting at home....[/p][/quote]My daughter was a nurse for NHS I tell you they treat them like dirt and its more filling in larenzer sheets than patient care,they were allocated so long with each patient so there was no time to chat to your patient,Shes out of the NHS,and NO she hasn't gone on the dole shes got a better job and the people respect her Janbur
  • Score: 4

10:13pm Thu 14 Aug 14

nigella farrage says...

Big Ern - it is only 3 years for pre-registration to nursing, after that there are additional years of training before even being classed as qualified!!!

http://www.nhscareer
s.nhs.uk/explore-by-
career/nursing/train
ing-to-be-a-nurse/
Big Ern - it is only 3 years for pre-registration to nursing, after that there are additional years of training before even being classed as qualified!!! http://www.nhscareer s.nhs.uk/explore-by- career/nursing/train ing-to-be-a-nurse/ nigella farrage
  • Score: 0

10:15pm Thu 14 Aug 14

nigella farrage says...

Citizen Cane - UK Nurses High paid???

So it seems you haven't really done your research as most of the other EU countries pay far more, the US pays almost 25% more and Australia is between 30 and 40% more!!!!!

In fact the UK is one of the worse paid in the "western" world!!!!
Citizen Cane - UK Nurses High paid??? So it seems you haven't really done your research as most of the other EU countries pay far more, the US pays almost 25% more and Australia is between 30 and 40% more!!!!! In fact the UK is one of the worse paid in the "western" world!!!! nigella farrage
  • Score: 3

11:08pm Thu 14 Aug 14

shaz55 says...

wsw69 wrote:
I'm not knocking these peoples abilities, but sure to Christ we must have some of our home grown medical professionals to fill these posts.

The way this country is heading with ideas and schemes like this is completely wrong. The reverse isn't happening, that's for sure.

What happened to seeing to your own first? We are the makers of our own downfall, always selling off to the best bidder, usually foreign.
i totaly agree we have our own nurses here why get them from abroad its disgusting.
[quote][p][bold]wsw69[/bold] wrote: I'm not knocking these peoples abilities, but sure to Christ we must have some of our home grown medical professionals to fill these posts. The way this country is heading with ideas and schemes like this is completely wrong. The reverse isn't happening, that's for sure. What happened to seeing to your own first? We are the makers of our own downfall, always selling off to the best bidder, usually foreign.[/p][/quote]i totaly agree we have our own nurses here why get them from abroad its disgusting. shaz55
  • Score: -1

11:15pm Thu 14 Aug 14

wsw69 says...

thedom.com wrote:
Hope they are better than some of the staff at Bolton hospital ,ive heard and seen some shocking stuff ....wouldnt have my dog treated there.
Well I've been seeing a consultant and had quite a few tests carried out since May this year, and from my own Doctors surgery through to my latest hospital visit today, all I can say is that the treatment has been first rate, and all appointments I've had (4 in all) have all been carried out within 5 minutes of the appointment time.

There are too many who moan and complain just for the sake it in my opinion, as well a some people will never be happy come what may.
[quote][p][bold]thedom.com[/bold] wrote: Hope they are better than some of the staff at Bolton hospital ,ive heard and seen some shocking stuff ....wouldnt have my dog treated there.[/p][/quote]Well I've been seeing a consultant and had quite a few tests carried out since May this year, and from my own Doctors surgery through to my latest hospital visit today, all I can say is that the treatment has been first rate, and all appointments I've had (4 in all) have all been carried out within 5 minutes of the appointment time. There are too many who moan and complain just for the sake it in my opinion, as well a some people will never be happy come what may. wsw69
  • Score: 2

7:24am Fri 15 Aug 14

Giraffe31 says...

Nurse queenie wrote:
As a nurse myself I have nothing against these people from other countries,but I agree totally that these jobs should be for British nurses. When I qualified there was no jobs available and we had to take a job on a busy ward not of our choice. There was at least 8 people for 1 job!!! As for the pay yes it's ok I suppose but put that into context £21700 after tax is about £1350 a month I know people who do jobs with less than a quarter of responsibilities compared to a nurse, and do not work shifts,nights long 12.5 hour days!!! That's why Australia looks a better bet than here for slot of British nurses!
So you say that the jobs in Britain should be for the British nurses but you're happy for the jobs in Australia to also be for British nurses? Hypocritical.

How about we stop with the racist "British jobs for British people" slurs and welcome our visitors, it's going to be a tough job for them anyway without having to contend with the fact that they have "stolen all our jobs"
[quote][p][bold]Nurse queenie[/bold] wrote: As a nurse myself I have nothing against these people from other countries,but I agree totally that these jobs should be for British nurses. When I qualified there was no jobs available and we had to take a job on a busy ward not of our choice. There was at least 8 people for 1 job!!! As for the pay yes it's ok I suppose but put that into context £21700 after tax is about £1350 a month I know people who do jobs with less than a quarter of responsibilities compared to a nurse, and do not work shifts,nights long 12.5 hour days!!! That's why Australia looks a better bet than here for slot of British nurses![/p][/quote]So you say that the jobs in Britain should be for the British nurses but you're happy for the jobs in Australia to also be for British nurses? Hypocritical. How about we stop with the racist "British jobs for British people" slurs and welcome our visitors, it's going to be a tough job for them anyway without having to contend with the fact that they have "stolen all our jobs" Giraffe31
  • Score: 0

7:53am Fri 15 Aug 14

Best an says...

I am a retired nurse and about 20 + years ago the same thing happened, staff were brought fro other countries , because a few years before the recruitment was stopped, so there wasn't enough nurses.
The nurses who came here were fantastic they were trained just like us and were hard workers . It took a while for them to understand our accents and our slang but they soon caught on.
I really hope these new staff are welcomed as they should be but I also hope they can manage the dreadfully long hours that that the staff niw work (one of my reasons for retiring a little earlier) and the number of patients to one member of staff .
Good luck to them I'm sure they will be welcomed with opened arms
I am a retired nurse and about 20 + years ago the same thing happened, staff were brought fro other countries , because a few years before the recruitment was stopped, so there wasn't enough nurses. The nurses who came here were fantastic they were trained just like us and were hard workers . It took a while for them to understand our accents and our slang but they soon caught on. I really hope these new staff are welcomed as they should be but I also hope they can manage the dreadfully long hours that that the staff niw work (one of my reasons for retiring a little earlier) and the number of patients to one member of staff . Good luck to them I'm sure they will be welcomed with opened arms Best an
  • Score: 1

9:09am Fri 15 Aug 14

Tim Burr says...

BIG ERN wrote:
Can we stop saying shortages are down to poor pay, please. I'm a newly qualified RMN and my pay packet is just fine for the job that I do.
The problems are thus:
Firstly: Universities and the NMC now insist that all nurses be degree trained. Newsflash: nursing requires some intellect but a hell of a lot more common sense and empathy. Lots of people are missing out on enroling because of this. The fact that you can write a 5000 word essay should have no relation to how you are judged on the ward.

Secondly: A lot of younger students are leaving school and enrolling onto nursing courses without having had any experience of working in a medical and health and social care setting and when it comes to the basic stuff, like wiping bottoms and cleaning vomit, they turn their noses up at it.
Well done Ern, this reads as real as it gets.
[quote][p][bold]BIG ERN[/bold] wrote: Can we stop saying shortages are down to poor pay, please. I'm a newly qualified RMN and my pay packet is just fine for the job that I do. The problems are thus: Firstly: Universities and the NMC now insist that all nurses be degree trained. Newsflash: nursing requires some intellect but a hell of a lot more common sense and empathy. Lots of people are missing out on enroling because of this. The fact that you can write a 5000 word essay should have no relation to how you are judged on the ward. Secondly: A lot of younger students are leaving school and enrolling onto nursing courses without having had any experience of working in a medical and health and social care setting and when it comes to the basic stuff, like wiping bottoms and cleaning vomit, they turn their noses up at it.[/p][/quote]Well done Ern, this reads as real as it gets. Tim Burr
  • Score: 1

11:22am Fri 15 Aug 14

Nurse queenie says...

Giraffe31 wrote:
Nurse queenie wrote:
As a nurse myself I have nothing against these people from other countries,but I agree totally that these jobs should be for British nurses. When I qualified there was no jobs available and we had to take a job on a busy ward not of our choice. There was at least 8 people for 1 job!!! As for the pay yes it's ok I suppose but put that into context £21700 after tax is about £1350 a month I know people who do jobs with less than a quarter of responsibilities compared to a nurse, and do not work shifts,nights long 12.5 hour days!!! That's why Australia looks a better bet than here for slot of British nurses!
So you say that the jobs in Britain should be for the British nurses but you're happy for the jobs in Australia to also be for British nurses? Hypocritical.

How about we stop with the racist "British jobs for British people" slurs and welcome our visitors, it's going to be a tough job for them anyway without having to contend with the fact that they have "stolen all our jobs"
This is nothing to do with being racist I have worked with a lot of nurses from overseas actually!!! The point I am trying to get across is alot of student nurses cannot secure a job after a very hard challenging course at university alongside the placements at the hospital which believe me I have done and some are awful!!!! My first job was on a busy ward I had 7 patients on my own with no support from the ward manager or senior staff as it was too busy,I left this ward due to not being able to provide nursing care to my standards. As for Australia I will get paid almost double what I get now and my skills are currently number 1 in demand in Australia. It's about lifestyle and providing a better life for my children. They recruit nurses with my particular background because they have a shortage of them,here they put newly qualified nurses anywhere and it's sink or swim I know because I have done it!!!
[quote][p][bold]Giraffe31[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nurse queenie[/bold] wrote: As a nurse myself I have nothing against these people from other countries,but I agree totally that these jobs should be for British nurses. When I qualified there was no jobs available and we had to take a job on a busy ward not of our choice. There was at least 8 people for 1 job!!! As for the pay yes it's ok I suppose but put that into context £21700 after tax is about £1350 a month I know people who do jobs with less than a quarter of responsibilities compared to a nurse, and do not work shifts,nights long 12.5 hour days!!! That's why Australia looks a better bet than here for slot of British nurses![/p][/quote]So you say that the jobs in Britain should be for the British nurses but you're happy for the jobs in Australia to also be for British nurses? Hypocritical. How about we stop with the racist "British jobs for British people" slurs and welcome our visitors, it's going to be a tough job for them anyway without having to contend with the fact that they have "stolen all our jobs"[/p][/quote]This is nothing to do with being racist I have worked with a lot of nurses from overseas actually!!! The point I am trying to get across is alot of student nurses cannot secure a job after a very hard challenging course at university alongside the placements at the hospital which believe me I have done and some are awful!!!! My first job was on a busy ward I had 7 patients on my own with no support from the ward manager or senior staff as it was too busy,I left this ward due to not being able to provide nursing care to my standards. As for Australia I will get paid almost double what I get now and my skills are currently number 1 in demand in Australia. It's about lifestyle and providing a better life for my children. They recruit nurses with my particular background because they have a shortage of them,here they put newly qualified nurses anywhere and it's sink or swim I know because I have done it!!! Nurse queenie
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