Bolton's poorest have shorter life expectancy than people in Guatemala, Lithuania, Samoa, Paraguay and Iran

Bolton's poorest have shorter life expectancy than people in Guatemala, Lithuania, Samoa, Paraguay and Iran

The poor areas of Guatemala City stand comparison with those in Bolton

A shanty town in Paraguay, where people have a better life expectancy than some Bolton residents

Life expectancy in Iran at the time of the report was 73 years — in the most deprived area of Bolton it was 69.2

Newport Street in Bolton town centre

Union Road in Tonge Moor.

Back Yates Street in Tonge Fold — and its residents — have seen better days

First published in News The Bolton News: Photograph of the Author by , health reporter

BOLTON’S poorest people have a lower life expectancy than those living in impoverished countries such as Guatemala, Lithuania, Samoa, Paraguay and Iran.

Data obtained by The Bolton News shows worrying comparisons between the most deprived 10 per cent of Bolton’s population and some of the world’s poorest nations.

Figures also show that the most deprived men and women living in Bolton could expect to live significantly shorter lives than their neighbours in the most affluent 10 per cent.

The report was published by Bolton’s Public Health when it was part of the Primary Care Trust — before it moved over to Bolton Council in 2012 — but the inequality still stands according to health chiefs, who added that there is a life expectancy gap of almost 13 years between people living just five miles apart.

Dave Bagley, of Bolton Urban Outreach, said: “It really is shocking that we are one of the richest countries in the world and we have such abject poverty in our town.

“To have lower life expectancy than countries like Guatemala is just awful.

“I know the council is doing its best to narrow the gap between the rich and the poor, but it must be very difficult when they have had £100 million cut by the Government.

“These cuts will hit the most vulnerable hardest.”

The comparison between Bolton’s poorest men and women to those living in developing countries was made as part of a Joint Strategic Needs Assessment (JSNA).

It shows men living in the most deprived area of Bolton had a life expectancy of just 69.2 years, which was 9.4 years lower than the English national average and about four years lower than the national average for men and women in the West Bank and Gaza territories before the latest conflict broke out.

At the time the report was published, life expectancy in Iran stood at 73 and 72.4 in Samoa.

In 2014, life expectancy in Bolton has improved with an average of 77.4 years for men and 81.4 years for women.

These are both still almost two years lower than the national averages of 79.2 for men and 83 for women.

Smoking, alcohol consumption, poor diet and obesity have the biggest impact on life expectancy in the poorer areas, according to health chiefs.

Dr Stephen Liversedge, clinical director for primary care and health improvement at Bolton Clinical Commissioning Group (CCG), said: “Reducing inequalities in health, both between Bolton and the rest of the country, and between areas in Bolton, is a top priority for NHS Bolton Clinical Commissioning Group.

“The key is to address certain lifestyle issues that affect many people, but are more prevalent in deprived areas, such as smoking, weight, diet, alcohol and exercise.

“We have been working hard in this area for some time, with initiatives such as the Big Bolton Health Check and our Preventing Diabetes Project, and have seen a fall in hospital admissions for heart attacks and deaths due to cardiovascular disease.

“Much progress has been made in Bolton over recent years, but health remains a major source of inequality in our borough.

“We will continue to work with our partners and healthcare providers to tackle these challenges.”

And Public Health now say the town’s health is getting better.

A Bolton Council spokesman said: “Life expectancy is commonly measured by looking at life expectancy at birth and estimating how long a person is likely to live if all conditions remain the same as at that time.

“We recognise that the life expectancy for Bolton residents is slightly below the national average and we are constantly working to improve this and narrow the gap.

“Bolton is a diverse place with extremes of affluence and deprivation, which contribute to the way we compare to the national average.

“However, in recent years the gap between Bolton and the England average has narrowed and our average life expectancy has improved, increasing to 77.4 years for men and 81.4 years for women, so we are certainly travelling in the right direction.

“One of the biggest contributors to the gap is long-term conditions, such as cardiovascular disease, and we have highlighted that as one of our priority areas.

“We will continue to work with our partners to improve everyone’s health in the borough, and have already made good progress with schemes like the Big Bolton Health Check, stop smoking initiatives and promoting healthy eating for all ages.”

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7:27am Sun 17 Aug 14

CommonSense86 says...

"Data obtained by The Bolton News..." - speaks for itself.
"Data obtained by The Bolton News..." - speaks for itself. CommonSense86
  • Score: 0

8:07am Sun 17 Aug 14

Terry McC says...

Yet we still send aid relief by the millions if not billions to all these places time to wake up and smell the coffee we are still sending aid to India they are better off than we are in many ways now 70% of the pound in our pocket goes on taxes while the rich get richer and no one gives a toss about whats going on with the poor the riots in this country a few years ago where a warning of how the poor are feeling but that's been swept under the carpet now its just a ticking time bomb ready to explode
Yet we still send aid relief by the millions if not billions to all these places time to wake up and smell the coffee we are still sending aid to India they are better off than we are in many ways now 70% of the pound in our pocket goes on taxes while the rich get richer and no one gives a toss about whats going on with the poor the riots in this country a few years ago where a warning of how the poor are feeling but that's been swept under the carpet now its just a ticking time bomb ready to explode Terry McC
  • Score: 2

8:26am Sun 17 Aug 14

PDY says...

Health Chiefs said that smoking, alcohol, poor diet and obesity were major factors. You can't be poor and smoke, drink and eat enough food to get obese!!!!!!! The definition of poor is meaningless and the reason why people appear to be poor, that is to say, stay at the margins of society, is because they spend their money on fags, booze , scratch cards, sky TV and fast food, none of which is cheap!!!!!
Health Chiefs said that smoking, alcohol, poor diet and obesity were major factors. You can't be poor and smoke, drink and eat enough food to get obese!!!!!!! The definition of poor is meaningless and the reason why people appear to be poor, that is to say, stay at the margins of society, is because they spend their money on fags, booze , scratch cards, sky TV and fast food, none of which is cheap!!!!! PDY
  • Score: 53

9:06am Sun 17 Aug 14

Citizen Cane says...

What a biased article with a political motive aimed at those who believe this sort of twisted guff.

The wording used is lifestyle issues, when, in fact, these are lifestyle choices. If they are so deprived, they should not be able to afford cigarettes, alcohol and excessive food, not to mention tattoos, drugs and associated trashy choices. Since they won't be employed, they will also have all day to be active and walking is one of the best and most effective ways to exercise - as well as being free.

Honest. hard working, decent people are already being fleeced by the tax system to support a great rump of lazy trash which is way in excess of the genuinely needy who do need support.

Britain is not a rich country - it has to borrow £100bn each year to keep that lazy rump in their abusive lifetyles. If you are rich, you don't need to borrow.

Notice also that the comparison is of a "deprived" group in Bolton with entire countries like Guatemala. The life expectancy of the identical grouping in Guatemala will be sub 50. Amazingly, they have rich and affluent people in Guatemala too, but you wouldn't think it from this article.
What a biased article with a political motive aimed at those who believe this sort of twisted guff. The wording used is lifestyle issues, when, in fact, these are lifestyle choices. If they are so deprived, they should not be able to afford cigarettes, alcohol and excessive food, not to mention tattoos, drugs and associated trashy choices. Since they won't be employed, they will also have all day to be active and walking is one of the best and most effective ways to exercise - as well as being free. Honest. hard working, decent people are already being fleeced by the tax system to support a great rump of lazy trash which is way in excess of the genuinely needy who do need support. Britain is not a rich country - it has to borrow £100bn each year to keep that lazy rump in their abusive lifetyles. If you are rich, you don't need to borrow. Notice also that the comparison is of a "deprived" group in Bolton with entire countries like Guatemala. The life expectancy of the identical grouping in Guatemala will be sub 50. Amazingly, they have rich and affluent people in Guatemala too, but you wouldn't think it from this article. Citizen Cane
  • Score: 17

9:17am Sun 17 Aug 14

Hulton Park says...

"Smoking, alcohol consumption, poor diet and obesity have the biggest impact on life expectancy in the poorer areas."

It is insulting to compare the poverty of those who live in South American shanty towns and other undeveloped countries with the lifestyle choices of British people. Note the problems here are "poor diet" - not lack of food; "obesity" - not living hand-to-mouth; "alcohol consumption" - not dirty drinking water. All matters of choice.

"However, in recent years the gap between Bolton and the England average has narrowed and our average life expectancy has improved."

So how do the Council and its stooges manage to blame the "cuts" for this improvement?
"Smoking, alcohol consumption, poor diet and obesity have the biggest impact on life expectancy in the poorer areas." It is insulting to compare the poverty of those who live in South American shanty towns and other undeveloped countries with the lifestyle choices of British people. Note the problems here are "poor diet" - not lack of food; "obesity" - not living hand-to-mouth; "alcohol consumption" - not dirty drinking water. All matters of choice. "However, in recent years the gap between Bolton and the England average has narrowed and our average life expectancy has improved." So how do the Council and its stooges manage to blame the "cuts" for this improvement? Hulton Park
  • Score: 18

9:29am Sun 17 Aug 14

Gore Seer says...

The Council Is Doing Nothing To Help The Poor, Services Are Being Denied, They Are Gear Up To Help Immigrants, And Students, If The Council Are Helping Us As Best They Can, Then Open Up The Councils And Give Joe Public **** To See The Help, So We Can See What They Are Doing And No More Covering Up Secret Meeting Behind Closed Doors, The Council Is Ruthless But Will Never Prove I Am Wrong.
The Council Is Doing Nothing To Help The Poor, Services Are Being Denied, They Are Gear Up To Help Immigrants, And Students, If The Council Are Helping Us As Best They Can, Then Open Up The Councils And Give Joe Public **** To See The Help, So We Can See What They Are Doing And No More Covering Up Secret Meeting Behind Closed Doors, The Council Is Ruthless But Will Never Prove I Am Wrong. Gore Seer
  • Score: -18

9:43am Sun 17 Aug 14

JustBecause says...

PDY wrote:
Health Chiefs said that smoking, alcohol, poor diet and obesity were major factors. You can't be poor and smoke, drink and eat enough food to get obese!!!!!!! The definition of poor is meaningless and the reason why people appear to be poor, that is to say, stay at the margins of society, is because they spend their money on fags, booze , scratch cards, sky TV and fast food, none of which is cheap!!!!!
Spot on, terrible reporting, skewed sat from idiots who shouldn't be employed to spin such rubbish.

The "poor" of Bolton cannot be compared with the "poor" from places like Samoa. Total and utter rubbish!

Tell you what the people who think this rubbish is right, go live in Iran for a month and come back and tell us what poor really means !

The council is doing its best to claw the gap between the rich and poor, why ??? I am working my **** off to make the gap bigger.
[quote][p][bold]PDY[/bold] wrote: Health Chiefs said that smoking, alcohol, poor diet and obesity were major factors. You can't be poor and smoke, drink and eat enough food to get obese!!!!!!! The definition of poor is meaningless and the reason why people appear to be poor, that is to say, stay at the margins of society, is because they spend their money on fags, booze , scratch cards, sky TV and fast food, none of which is cheap!!!!![/p][/quote]Spot on, terrible reporting, skewed sat from idiots who shouldn't be employed to spin such rubbish. The "poor" of Bolton cannot be compared with the "poor" from places like Samoa. Total and utter rubbish! Tell you what the people who think this rubbish is right, go live in Iran for a month and come back and tell us what poor really means ! The council is doing its best to claw the gap between the rich and poor, why ??? I am working my **** off to make the gap bigger. JustBecause
  • Score: 21

9:45am Sun 17 Aug 14

piszoff says...

I show no surprise in this when issues a raised around a Yucca plant. Number 10 getting this information or is it another sneak it in under the radar while a none issue over the who won the latest TV crap.
I show no surprise in this when issues a raised around a Yucca plant. Number 10 getting this information or is it another sneak it in under the radar while a none issue over the who won the latest TV crap. piszoff
  • Score: -11

10:11am Sun 17 Aug 14

owencoyle99 says...

PDY wrote:
Health Chiefs said that smoking, alcohol, poor diet and obesity were major factors. You can't be poor and smoke, drink and eat enough food to get obese!!!!!!! The definition of poor is meaningless and the reason why people appear to be poor, that is to say, stay at the margins of society, is because they spend their money on fags, booze , scratch cards, sky TV and fast food, none of which is cheap!!!!!
If you spend more money on fags and booze than you do on food then your life expectancy will be limited
[quote][p][bold]PDY[/bold] wrote: Health Chiefs said that smoking, alcohol, poor diet and obesity were major factors. You can't be poor and smoke, drink and eat enough food to get obese!!!!!!! The definition of poor is meaningless and the reason why people appear to be poor, that is to say, stay at the margins of society, is because they spend their money on fags, booze , scratch cards, sky TV and fast food, none of which is cheap!!!!![/p][/quote]If you spend more money on fags and booze than you do on food then your life expectancy will be limited owencoyle99
  • Score: 25

10:25am Sun 17 Aug 14

smw2012 says...

Citizen Cane wrote:
What a biased article with a political motive aimed at those who believe this sort of twisted guff.

The wording used is lifestyle issues, when, in fact, these are lifestyle choices. If they are so deprived, they should not be able to afford cigarettes, alcohol and excessive food, not to mention tattoos, drugs and associated trashy choices. Since they won't be employed, they will also have all day to be active and walking is one of the best and most effective ways to exercise - as well as being free.

Honest. hard working, decent people are already being fleeced by the tax system to support a great rump of lazy trash which is way in excess of the genuinely needy who do need support.

Britain is not a rich country - it has to borrow £100bn each year to keep that lazy rump in their abusive lifetyles. If you are rich, you don't need to borrow.

Notice also that the comparison is of a "deprived" group in Bolton with entire countries like Guatemala. The life expectancy of the identical grouping in Guatemala will be sub 50. Amazingly, they have rich and affluent people in Guatemala too, but you wouldn't think it from this article.
'Tattos associated with trashy choices' what an idiot. The richest of people have tattoos, it's down to personal preference. I have tattoos, that are very tasteful yet I'm a professional with qualifications, and a healthy life style... Has nothing at all to do with life expectancy. Get back in your hovel you fool
[quote][p][bold]Citizen Cane[/bold] wrote: What a biased article with a political motive aimed at those who believe this sort of twisted guff. The wording used is lifestyle issues, when, in fact, these are lifestyle choices. If they are so deprived, they should not be able to afford cigarettes, alcohol and excessive food, not to mention tattoos, drugs and associated trashy choices. Since they won't be employed, they will also have all day to be active and walking is one of the best and most effective ways to exercise - as well as being free. Honest. hard working, decent people are already being fleeced by the tax system to support a great rump of lazy trash which is way in excess of the genuinely needy who do need support. Britain is not a rich country - it has to borrow £100bn each year to keep that lazy rump in their abusive lifetyles. If you are rich, you don't need to borrow. Notice also that the comparison is of a "deprived" group in Bolton with entire countries like Guatemala. The life expectancy of the identical grouping in Guatemala will be sub 50. Amazingly, they have rich and affluent people in Guatemala too, but you wouldn't think it from this article.[/p][/quote]'Tattos associated with trashy choices' what an idiot. The richest of people have tattoos, it's down to personal preference. I have tattoos, that are very tasteful yet I'm a professional with qualifications, and a healthy life style... Has nothing at all to do with life expectancy. Get back in your hovel you fool smw2012
  • Score: -29

11:14am Sun 17 Aug 14

steveG says...

“I know the council is doing its best to narrow the gap between the rich and the poor, but it must be very difficult when they have had £100 million cut by the Government.

I have no idea who Dave Bagley is but he must be being paid by the Council or he's a complete twonk to come out with tosh like that.

He clearly has no idea of the exorbitant salaries paid to some Council staff,the exessive pension benefits,not to mention holidays.

The gap between rich and poor is perpetuated by Council salaries.
“I know the council is doing its best to narrow the gap between the rich and the poor, but it must be very difficult when they have had £100 million cut by the Government. I have no idea who Dave Bagley is but he must be being paid by the Council or he's a complete twonk to come out with tosh like that. He clearly has no idea of the exorbitant salaries paid to some Council staff,the exessive pension benefits,not to mention holidays. The gap between rich and poor is perpetuated by Council salaries. steveG
  • Score: 4

12:33pm Sun 17 Aug 14

mrs philainsy says...

Just had a Man from Lithuania move next door to me.........how ironic he came to Bolton to Better himself.

I'll tell him not to bother with The Bag for Life from Tesco, it's not worth it after reading this article.
Just had a Man from Lithuania move next door to me.........how ironic he came to Bolton to Better himself. I'll tell him not to bother with The Bag for Life from Tesco, it's not worth it after reading this article. mrs philainsy
  • Score: 18

1:11pm Sun 17 Aug 14

NHLUFC says...

smw2012 wrote:
Citizen Cane wrote:
What a biased article with a political motive aimed at those who believe this sort of twisted guff.

The wording used is lifestyle issues, when, in fact, these are lifestyle choices. If they are so deprived, they should not be able to afford cigarettes, alcohol and excessive food, not to mention tattoos, drugs and associated trashy choices. Since they won't be employed, they will also have all day to be active and walking is one of the best and most effective ways to exercise - as well as being free.

Honest. hard working, decent people are already being fleeced by the tax system to support a great rump of lazy trash which is way in excess of the genuinely needy who do need support.

Britain is not a rich country - it has to borrow £100bn each year to keep that lazy rump in their abusive lifetyles. If you are rich, you don't need to borrow.

Notice also that the comparison is of a "deprived" group in Bolton with entire countries like Guatemala. The life expectancy of the identical grouping in Guatemala will be sub 50. Amazingly, they have rich and affluent people in Guatemala too, but you wouldn't think it from this article.
'Tattos associated with trashy choices' what an idiot. The richest of people have tattoos, it's down to personal preference. I have tattoos, that are very tasteful yet I'm a professional with qualifications, and a healthy life style... Has nothing at all to do with life expectancy. Get back in your hovel you fool
". I have tattoos, that are very tasteful" No you don't.
[quote][p][bold]smw2012[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Citizen Cane[/bold] wrote: What a biased article with a political motive aimed at those who believe this sort of twisted guff. The wording used is lifestyle issues, when, in fact, these are lifestyle choices. If they are so deprived, they should not be able to afford cigarettes, alcohol and excessive food, not to mention tattoos, drugs and associated trashy choices. Since they won't be employed, they will also have all day to be active and walking is one of the best and most effective ways to exercise - as well as being free. Honest. hard working, decent people are already being fleeced by the tax system to support a great rump of lazy trash which is way in excess of the genuinely needy who do need support. Britain is not a rich country - it has to borrow £100bn each year to keep that lazy rump in their abusive lifetyles. If you are rich, you don't need to borrow. Notice also that the comparison is of a "deprived" group in Bolton with entire countries like Guatemala. The life expectancy of the identical grouping in Guatemala will be sub 50. Amazingly, they have rich and affluent people in Guatemala too, but you wouldn't think it from this article.[/p][/quote]'Tattos associated with trashy choices' what an idiot. The richest of people have tattoos, it's down to personal preference. I have tattoos, that are very tasteful yet I'm a professional with qualifications, and a healthy life style... Has nothing at all to do with life expectancy. Get back in your hovel you fool[/p][/quote]". I have tattoos, that are very tasteful" No you don't. NHLUFC
  • Score: -2

1:50pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Chrome1 says...

Are we comparing the poorest from Bolton with the poorest of those countries? This is where the Bolton News exposes itself as a duff newspaper as I assume it has cherry picked the statistics and twisted them so it can name drop a few exotic places.
Are we comparing the poorest from Bolton with the poorest of those countries? This is where the Bolton News exposes itself as a duff newspaper as I assume it has cherry picked the statistics and twisted them so it can name drop a few exotic places. Chrome1
  • Score: 10

3:01pm Sun 17 Aug 14

thedom.com says...

Not surprised,third world foreign shithole springs to mind ......welcome to Bolton
Not surprised,third world foreign shithole springs to mind ......welcome to Bolton thedom.com
  • Score: 8

4:49pm Sun 17 Aug 14

artistpaint says...

Its time somthing was done to help out the poor in this selfish greed driven country.its disgusting
Its time somthing was done to help out the poor in this selfish greed driven country.its disgusting artistpaint
  • Score: 0

5:03pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Tim Burr says...

Loneliness is the problem for the elderly. Some are too quick to pack their relatives off into social care where in many of the countries mentioned - families take care of them.
Loneliness is the problem for the elderly. Some are too quick to pack their relatives off into social care where in many of the countries mentioned - families take care of them. Tim Burr
  • Score: 4

5:31pm Sun 17 Aug 14

AndyMorton says...

Most of them live over here so we have to suffer now. They get a house straight away whilst we wait donkeys years. Poor my arse they get what they want when they want we get told **** off. If go church and pray that something good happens but unfortunately we ain't got 1
Most of them live over here so we have to suffer now. They get a house straight away whilst we wait donkeys years. Poor my arse they get what they want when they want we get told **** off. If go church and pray that something good happens but unfortunately we ain't got 1 AndyMorton
  • Score: 1

6:27pm Sun 17 Aug 14

bettysenior says...

Inequality and the top 10% getting Richer and Richer will Destroy the UK Economy, Democracy and even the NHS - Time has come to Create New Ways of Running and Managing our Economy or the nation will Never Recover and Provide a Meaningful Future for the Majority of our People - http://worldinnovati
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Inequality and the top 10% getting Richer and Richer will Destroy the UK Economy, Democracy and even the NHS - Time has come to Create New Ways of Running and Managing our Economy or the nation will Never Recover and Provide a Meaningful Future for the Majority of our People - http://worldinnovati onfoundation.blogspo t.co.uk/2014/08/ineq uality-and-top-10-ge tting-richer.html bettysenior
  • Score: -2

6:30pm Sun 17 Aug 14

smw2012 says...

NHLUFC wrote:
smw2012 wrote:
Citizen Cane wrote:
What a biased article with a political motive aimed at those who believe this sort of twisted guff.

The wording used is lifestyle issues, when, in fact, these are lifestyle choices. If they are so deprived, they should not be able to afford cigarettes, alcohol and excessive food, not to mention tattoos, drugs and associated trashy choices. Since they won't be employed, they will also have all day to be active and walking is one of the best and most effective ways to exercise - as well as being free.

Honest. hard working, decent people are already being fleeced by the tax system to support a great rump of lazy trash which is way in excess of the genuinely needy who do need support.

Britain is not a rich country - it has to borrow £100bn each year to keep that lazy rump in their abusive lifetyles. If you are rich, you don't need to borrow.

Notice also that the comparison is of a "deprived" group in Bolton with entire countries like Guatemala. The life expectancy of the identical grouping in Guatemala will be sub 50. Amazingly, they have rich and affluent people in Guatemala too, but you wouldn't think it from this article.
'Tattos associated with trashy choices' what an idiot. The richest of people have tattoos, it's down to personal preference. I have tattoos, that are very tasteful yet I'm a professional with qualifications, and a healthy life style... Has nothing at all to do with life expectancy. Get back in your hovel you fool
". I have tattoos, that are very tasteful" No you don't.
Hahaha idiot
[quote][p][bold]NHLUFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smw2012[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Citizen Cane[/bold] wrote: What a biased article with a political motive aimed at those who believe this sort of twisted guff. The wording used is lifestyle issues, when, in fact, these are lifestyle choices. If they are so deprived, they should not be able to afford cigarettes, alcohol and excessive food, not to mention tattoos, drugs and associated trashy choices. Since they won't be employed, they will also have all day to be active and walking is one of the best and most effective ways to exercise - as well as being free. Honest. hard working, decent people are already being fleeced by the tax system to support a great rump of lazy trash which is way in excess of the genuinely needy who do need support. Britain is not a rich country - it has to borrow £100bn each year to keep that lazy rump in their abusive lifetyles. If you are rich, you don't need to borrow. Notice also that the comparison is of a "deprived" group in Bolton with entire countries like Guatemala. The life expectancy of the identical grouping in Guatemala will be sub 50. Amazingly, they have rich and affluent people in Guatemala too, but you wouldn't think it from this article.[/p][/quote]'Tattos associated with trashy choices' what an idiot. The richest of people have tattoos, it's down to personal preference. I have tattoos, that are very tasteful yet I'm a professional with qualifications, and a healthy life style... Has nothing at all to do with life expectancy. Get back in your hovel you fool[/p][/quote]". I have tattoos, that are very tasteful" No you don't.[/p][/quote]Hahaha idiot smw2012
  • Score: 0

6:35pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Cue more demonizing of less than affluent people, sticking a label on the other demonized folk that can afford beer, cigs, scratch cards... wtf even tattoos in some comments.

This country is a joke from government to elitist cronies that want to keep you all sheeple with their derogatory bs reporting of news items that mean feck all.

90% of you still believe Columbus discovered America...
Cue more demonizing of less than affluent people, sticking a label on the other demonized folk that can afford beer, cigs, scratch cards... wtf even tattoos in some comments. This country is a joke from government to elitist cronies that want to keep you all sheeple with their derogatory bs reporting of news items that mean feck all. 90% of you still believe Columbus discovered America... Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 1

7:22pm Sun 17 Aug 14

calvin street says...

Another kid of a so called journalist telling half a tale.
I suggest to you Charlotte Dobson you go and stand outside the food bank in Bolton any day this week. You will see people turning up pleading poverty with a cigarette in their mouth. Just like your article it doesn't make sense does it
Another kid of a so called journalist telling half a tale. I suggest to you Charlotte Dobson you go and stand outside the food bank in Bolton any day this week. You will see people turning up pleading poverty with a cigarette in their mouth. Just like your article it doesn't make sense does it calvin street
  • Score: 4

9:26pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Little Lever Kerry says...

I know plenty of people from the most depraved parts of town and non of them are dead just because they have no money.
I know plenty of people from the most depraved parts of town and non of them are dead just because they have no money. Little Lever Kerry
  • Score: 2

9:55pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Citizen Cane says...

s&Mw 2012 said in its abusive post:

'Tattos associated with trashy choices' what an idiot. The richest of people have tattoos, it's down to personal preference. I have tattoos, that are very tasteful yet I'm a professional with qualifications, and a healthy life style... Has nothing at all to do with life expectancy. Get back in your hovel you fool

A bit touchy there s&m. Please share with us what a tasteful tattoo looks like. Only branding is regarded as tasteful in polite society - too outré for you? And just because someone doesn't agree with you, they are classed an idiot and a fool? A "professional" with attitudes like that is, how shall I say...?.
s&Mw 2012 said in its abusive post: 'Tattos associated with trashy choices' what an idiot. The richest of people have tattoos, it's down to personal preference. I have tattoos, that are very tasteful yet I'm a professional with qualifications, and a healthy life style... Has nothing at all to do with life expectancy. Get back in your hovel you fool A bit touchy there s&m. Please share with us what a tasteful tattoo looks like. Only branding is regarded as tasteful in polite society - too outré for you? And just because someone doesn't agree with you, they are classed an idiot and a fool? A "professional" with attitudes like that is, how shall I say...?. Citizen Cane
  • Score: 0

10:52pm Sun 17 Aug 14

artistpaint says...

As we all know the rich like lots of poor folk around makes them feel better in there shallow material world.most rich folk dont live any longer than poor folk in reality.most of them are miserable.strange but true
As we all know the rich like lots of poor folk around makes them feel better in there shallow material world.most rich folk dont live any longer than poor folk in reality.most of them are miserable.strange but true artistpaint
  • Score: -2

10:55pm Sun 17 Aug 14

artistpaint says...

Yep the aid relief overseas if we can afford that.why cant those morons in power look after its own first...
Yep the aid relief overseas if we can afford that.why cant those morons in power look after its own first... artistpaint
  • Score: 2

10:58pm Sun 17 Aug 14

artistpaint says...

Time us folk stood up to goverments for a better standard for poor folk.rise up sheep and complain.bharrr
Time us folk stood up to goverments for a better standard for poor folk.rise up sheep and complain.bharrr artistpaint
  • Score: 2

9:45am Mon 18 Aug 14

marco999 says...

I bet that I could live quite happily and healthily on the money these so called 'poor people' have to live on. Smoking alone can cost £50 per week, add a bottle of wine per night and that's another £30 then factor in a takeaway twice a week and that's another £20. Double this for a couple and obviously more if children are involved and you're soon looking at well over £200 per week just for fags, booze and junk food - it's no wonder they're poor.
I bet that I could live quite happily and healthily on the money these so called 'poor people' have to live on. Smoking alone can cost £50 per week, add a bottle of wine per night and that's another £30 then factor in a takeaway twice a week and that's another £20. Double this for a couple and obviously more if children are involved and you're soon looking at well over £200 per week just for fags, booze and junk food - it's no wonder they're poor. marco999
  • Score: 1

10:18am Mon 18 Aug 14

simsamsuk says...

Citizen Cane wrote:
What a biased article with a political motive aimed at those who believe this sort of twisted guff.

The wording used is lifestyle issues, when, in fact, these are lifestyle choices. If they are so deprived, they should not be able to afford cigarettes, alcohol and excessive food, not to mention tattoos, drugs and associated trashy choices. Since they won't be employed, they will also have all day to be active and walking is one of the best and most effective ways to exercise - as well as being free.

Honest. hard working, decent people are already being fleeced by the tax system to support a great rump of lazy trash which is way in excess of the genuinely needy who do need support.

Britain is not a rich country - it has to borrow £100bn each year to keep that lazy rump in their abusive lifetyles. If you are rich, you don't need to borrow.

Notice also that the comparison is of a "deprived" group in Bolton with entire countries like Guatemala. The life expectancy of the identical grouping in Guatemala will be sub 50. Amazingly, they have rich and affluent people in Guatemala too, but you wouldn't think it from this article.
Oh here we go anyone claiming is "lazy trash" you daily Mail reading "i'm all'right Jack" no marks are beginning to pi** me off, let me tell u this and please listen and take it in NO ONE AND I MEAN NO ONE IS GETTING RICH ON THE DOLE, i was made redundant 2 years ago and believe me i wasnt going to have a great life style getting the money i recieved, i was lucky enough to find a new job but it was bloody hard, please dont believe everything you read in the Tory supporting press, the real dossers are the people in business who dodge the their taxes that costs us millions,
blame the correct people if you are going to blame any one.
Its becoming boring reading the people on here blaming the poorest and least educated in our society.
[quote][p][bold]Citizen Cane[/bold] wrote: What a biased article with a political motive aimed at those who believe this sort of twisted guff. The wording used is lifestyle issues, when, in fact, these are lifestyle choices. If they are so deprived, they should not be able to afford cigarettes, alcohol and excessive food, not to mention tattoos, drugs and associated trashy choices. Since they won't be employed, they will also have all day to be active and walking is one of the best and most effective ways to exercise - as well as being free. Honest. hard working, decent people are already being fleeced by the tax system to support a great rump of lazy trash which is way in excess of the genuinely needy who do need support. Britain is not a rich country - it has to borrow £100bn each year to keep that lazy rump in their abusive lifetyles. If you are rich, you don't need to borrow. Notice also that the comparison is of a "deprived" group in Bolton with entire countries like Guatemala. The life expectancy of the identical grouping in Guatemala will be sub 50. Amazingly, they have rich and affluent people in Guatemala too, but you wouldn't think it from this article.[/p][/quote]Oh here we go anyone claiming is "lazy trash" you daily Mail reading "i'm all'right Jack" no marks are beginning to pi** me off, let me tell u this and please listen and take it in NO ONE AND I MEAN NO ONE IS GETTING RICH ON THE DOLE, i was made redundant 2 years ago and believe me i wasnt going to have a great life style getting the money i recieved, i was lucky enough to find a new job but it was bloody hard, please dont believe everything you read in the Tory supporting press, the real dossers are the people in business who dodge the their taxes that costs us millions, blame the correct people if you are going to blame any one. Its becoming boring reading the people on here blaming the poorest and least educated in our society. simsamsuk
  • Score: -3

2:26pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Iluminati says...

Simple just headline making nonsense. I like to know what criteria has been taken to come up with those figures, not about Bolton, but Guatemala and the rest of the countries, mentioned. Last time I went to Guatemala the poverty was absolutely heart breaking and not to be compared with Bolton under all circumstances, unless once sees people dying in the roads for lack of hospitals and medical care!!
I can make up figures which would show Bolton to be the best run council in the UK. It's simply of manipulating figures and facts.
Simple just headline making nonsense. I like to know what criteria has been taken to come up with those figures, not about Bolton, but Guatemala and the rest of the countries, mentioned. Last time I went to Guatemala the poverty was absolutely heart breaking and not to be compared with Bolton under all circumstances, unless once sees people dying in the roads for lack of hospitals and medical care!! I can make up figures which would show Bolton to be the best run council in the UK. It's simply of manipulating figures and facts. Iluminati
  • Score: 0

2:28pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Barnes family says...

Even if you try to keep to a healthy lifestyle, but are unlucky enough to end up in bolton hospital, chances are you're life expectancy will be severely cut dependent on age
Even if you try to keep to a healthy lifestyle, but are unlucky enough to end up in bolton hospital, chances are you're life expectancy will be severely cut dependent on age Barnes family
  • Score: 3

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