Alice's chippy in Deansgate closes down - and owner leaves scathing sign pointing finger at those he blames for downfall

UPDATED: Alice's Fish & Chips closes down

Alice's Fish & Chips in Deansgate. The chippy has closed down, with the owner blaming debits and lack of support from the council and his landlord.

The scathing sign at Alice's Chippy in Deansgate

Alice's Chippy owner Denis McCabe with former employees Brandon and Chris Wooff

A disappointed customer stops to read the sign at Alice's Chippy

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A POPULAR town centre fish and chip restaurant has closed down after its owner gave up fighting mounting debts.

Denis McCabe says he ploughed £200,000 into Alice’s when he opened it in Deansgate seven years ago, but he closed his business for the last time on Saturday night, owing £69,000 in rent arrears.

“I will probably be made bankrupt,”said 66-year-old Mr McCabe. “There is no way I can pay the rent arrears.

“I tried approaching the landlord’s agents to talk to them, but all they have ever done is ask when I can pay them what I owe.

“I’ve been running an overdraft of £10,000 for a long time, and I have constantly put money into the business to keep it going.

“But there are not enough people coming into Bolton town centre to sustain us. The multi storey car park in Bow Street going - which is now effectively derelict - is killing businesses in this area of the town centre.”

Fifteen people employed at Alice’s have lost their jobs.

The Bolton News:

Bury-born-and-bred Mr McCabe previously ran a chippy in the centre of Manchester, but launched Alice’s seven years ago and it quickly became well known for its delicious fish and chips.

“I’ve always known how to make good fish and chips,” said Mr McCabe. “But the rent and rates we have to pay have made it impossible to keep going.”

Mr McCabe’s former business partner William Bones wrote a notice which was placed in the window of Alice’s after it closed.

It said: “Frankly, Bolton as a town is clearly dying. The increasing number of empty properties within a stone’s throw from this spot is a testament to that.”

A council spokesman said: “We are disappointed to hear that Alice’s has shut. This news was unexpected as we’ve met them regularly prior to the closure.

“Alice’s actively promoted the free town centre weekend and bank holiday parking offer and our events.

“Unfortunately we have no control over business rates or rent levels and we do have sympathy with the view that landlords who don’t operate locally have no understanding of the local rental market.

"This is something which we have tried to address with landlords.”

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2:38pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Terry McC says...

in the words of the specials ......Do you remember the good old days before the ghost town?
We danced and sang, and the music played in a de boomtown

This town, is coming like a ghost town
in the words of the specials ......Do you remember the good old days before the ghost town? We danced and sang, and the music played in a de boomtown This town, is coming like a ghost town Terry McC
  • Score: 139

2:45pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Superfly79 says...

What a shame. Alice's served a decent fish and chips and offered an alternative to all these kebab and pizza places that are popping up everywhere. Come on Bolton Council let's start getting behind local business before the town centre dies forever.
What a shame. Alice's served a decent fish and chips and offered an alternative to all these kebab and pizza places that are popping up everywhere. Come on Bolton Council let's start getting behind local business before the town centre dies forever. Superfly79
  • Score: 149

3:00pm Mon 18 Aug 14

goldie47 says...

what a shame....great fish and chips
what a shame....great fish and chips goldie47
  • Score: 81

3:10pm Mon 18 Aug 14

vicric87 says...

He was always such a friendly man the few times I met him. What a shame.
He was always such a friendly man the few times I met him. What a shame. vicric87
  • Score: 67

3:13pm Mon 18 Aug 14

rnorris says...

Brilliant fish and chips.......in my opinion the best in Bolton.........Bolto
n town centre is finished.........Its a disgrace.
Brilliant fish and chips.......in my opinion the best in Bolton.........Bolto n town centre is finished.........Its a disgrace. rnorris
  • Score: 113

3:26pm Mon 18 Aug 14

MarkAllRead says...

Shame, it was a great plaice.
Shame, it was a great plaice. MarkAllRead
  • Score: 73

3:37pm Mon 18 Aug 14

mattaiuseire says...

Yep it is a shame and I'm sure his sentiments are shared by everybody. Bolton Council, greedy landlords, you should all be ashamed.
Yep it is a shame and I'm sure his sentiments are shared by everybody. Bolton Council, greedy landlords, you should all be ashamed. mattaiuseire
  • Score: 94

3:54pm Mon 18 Aug 14

MalcM59 says...

Can't really add much more to the above comments, other than express my sadness and anger at yet another nail in the coffin of our once proud, now derelict town centre. Do Cliff the Clown and his mates ever visit the place except for council meetings ??
Major initiatives needed with rent and rates incentives to encourage business and custom to return.
Will it happen ? Err let me think about that one... No :-(
Can't really add much more to the above comments, other than express my sadness and anger at yet another nail in the coffin of our once proud, now derelict town centre. Do Cliff the Clown and his mates ever visit the place except for council meetings ?? Major initiatives needed with rent and rates incentives to encourage business and custom to return. Will it happen ? Err let me think about that one... No :-( MalcM59
  • Score: 67

4:11pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Valiant One says...

This chippy has a private owner who charges rent. Business rates are not controlled by the Council they are calculated by Central Government and though collected by the Council, it all goes to the government coffers. Bolton has lost £100 mlllion in grants since the Tories came in in 2011. The Council simply hasnt the resources to help out an ailing chippy..
This chippy has a private owner who charges rent. Business rates are not controlled by the Council they are calculated by Central Government and though collected by the Council, it all goes to the government coffers. Bolton has lost £100 mlllion in grants since the Tories came in in 2011. The Council simply hasnt the resources to help out an ailing chippy.. Valiant One
  • Score: -66

4:14pm Mon 18 Aug 14

marco999 says...

A great fish and chip restaurant serving meals in the traditional way - my granddad will be gutted - it was his favourite place to eat. Such a shame to see the decrepit shambles Bolton town centre has become, filled with pound shops, charity shops and pawn shops. I only go there when absolutely necessary now, as do many other people sadly.
A great fish and chip restaurant serving meals in the traditional way - my granddad will be gutted - it was his favourite place to eat. Such a shame to see the decrepit shambles Bolton town centre has become, filled with pound shops, charity shops and pawn shops. I only go there when absolutely necessary now, as do many other people sadly. marco999
  • Score: 77

4:21pm Mon 18 Aug 14

LordLeverhulme says...

The town centre (together with a lot of other town centres) is doomed. Sorry but that's a fact. The future of retail does not lie in 'pedestrianised' town centres. That was the 1970s.. not now.
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The council needs to stop spending millions putting fancy flags and cobbles down. Making it look a bit nicer will not attract people.. certainly not people with money to spend.
Give it up and spend our money on roads, schools, bins, parks and libraries and stop throwing it away on the town centre.
The town centre (together with a lot of other town centres) is doomed. Sorry but that's a fact. The future of retail does not lie in 'pedestrianised' town centres. That was the 1970s.. not now. . The council needs to stop spending millions putting fancy flags and cobbles down. Making it look a bit nicer will not attract people.. certainly not people with money to spend. Give it up and spend our money on roads, schools, bins, parks and libraries and stop throwing it away on the town centre. LordLeverhulme
  • Score: 58

4:29pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Djorkaeff's right peg says...

Gutted! Gutted! Gutted! Battered haddock and peas was my favourite and the lads were really nice and had banter with the customers.

The town is a dilapidated and derelict mess that has been destroyed by ill-conceived thoughts (well lack of) and a total disregard for small businesses and budding entrepreneurs. Bolton Council, and Clifford Morris haved dropped multiple clangers and are completely out of touch with the good, law-abiding (those who matter) citizens of Bolton.

I only wish I had the opportunity to slap C. Morris across the face with a wet fish from Alice's. The man is a grotesque cretin and I am totally perplexed as to how he has maitained his position for so long! Surely he is on borrowed time and has become untenable?
Gutted! Gutted! Gutted! Battered haddock and peas was my favourite and the lads were really nice and had banter with the customers. The town is a dilapidated and derelict mess that has been destroyed by ill-conceived thoughts (well lack of) and a total disregard for small businesses and budding entrepreneurs. Bolton Council, and Clifford Morris haved dropped multiple clangers and are completely out of touch with the good, law-abiding (those who matter) citizens of Bolton. I only wish I had the opportunity to slap C. Morris across the face with a wet fish from Alice's. The man is a grotesque cretin and I am totally perplexed as to how he has maitained his position for so long! Surely he is on borrowed time and has become untenable? Djorkaeff's right peg
  • Score: 117

4:37pm Mon 18 Aug 14

steveG says...

Councils need to be returned to what they were set up to do - serve the public.They have seen entrepeneurial ability as a cash cow for their own personal greed and unjustifiable fat salaries.

Lets put a stop to this now!.
Councils need to be returned to what they were set up to do - serve the public.They have seen entrepeneurial ability as a cash cow for their own personal greed and unjustifiable fat salaries. Lets put a stop to this now!. steveG
  • Score: 61

4:54pm Mon 18 Aug 14

John Edwards says...

I agree with most of the comments. This chippy was fantastic, and I would say the best in Bolton. My friend Lynn and I would call in on a Thursday or Friday evening. We had a good banter with the lads behind the counter. I know that we will both miss it.

As for Bolton, it's nearly dead. Ruined by by idiots on the council who have wrecked the town, and also the Hitler regime of traffic wardens. People will not come to Bolton, it's a run down, boarded up town, and the council wanted city status. What a laugh.
I agree with most of the comments. This chippy was fantastic, and I would say the best in Bolton. My friend Lynn and I would call in on a Thursday or Friday evening. We had a good banter with the lads behind the counter. I know that we will both miss it. As for Bolton, it's nearly dead. Ruined by by idiots on the council who have wrecked the town, and also the Hitler regime of traffic wardens. People will not come to Bolton, it's a run down, boarded up town, and the council wanted city status. What a laugh. John Edwards
  • Score: 81

4:55pm Mon 18 Aug 14

keggard says...

Be another kebab shop there in next couple of months. Shame really as was a very good chippy
Be another kebab shop there in next couple of months. Shame really as was a very good chippy keggard
  • Score: 37

5:14pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Don Kiddick says...

fish and chips is . . . well fish and chips - dull as dishwater and horrendously unhealthy.

Ok once in a blue moon but compared to the range of options available at a Chinese, Indian or other takeaway, chippys belong in the 70s.
fish and chips is . . . well fish and chips - dull as dishwater and horrendously unhealthy. Ok once in a blue moon but compared to the range of options available at a Chinese, Indian or other takeaway, chippys belong in the 70s. Don Kiddick
  • Score: -182

5:29pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Neeklus says...

This is really sad. Alice's was a fantastic place, offered good food at good prices, and was open late - perfect for an after-pint take out.

The lads were always really friendly and chatty, and it's a shame they've (along with everyone else) lost their job.

I don't know about whose fault it is, but the standard of takeaways in Bolton town centre is very low, and Alice's was a refuge of sorts. A tragic end to a great institution.
This is really sad. Alice's was a fantastic place, offered good food at good prices, and was open late - perfect for an after-pint take out. The lads were always really friendly and chatty, and it's a shame they've (along with everyone else) lost their job. I don't know about whose fault it is, but the standard of takeaways in Bolton town centre is very low, and Alice's was a refuge of sorts. A tragic end to a great institution. Neeklus
  • Score: 47

5:50pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Suekeith123 says...

One of the staff Amanda was a superb waitress, anyone who employs her now will be getting an hardworking diamond,
One of the staff Amanda was a superb waitress, anyone who employs her now will be getting an hardworking diamond, Suekeith123
  • Score: 31

6:06pm Mon 18 Aug 14

mnk353 says...

Popular fish and chip shop closes due to mounting debts. Clearly not that popular then! Maybe that's why you had to close down, Denis.
Popular fish and chip shop closes due to mounting debts. Clearly not that popular then! Maybe that's why you had to close down, Denis. mnk353
  • Score: -88

6:15pm Mon 18 Aug 14

willywonker says...

Not paying rent for so long & owing £69,000 in rent arrears, what a joke he landlord’ could have a loan on the property. (Poor landlord’) Mr McCabe says I will probably be made bankrupt I bet that already in place.. They must have known what the rent and rates where when they took the place on .They have the shop for 7 years Bolton has been going down hill well before that. Should have stayed in Manchester
Not paying rent for so long & owing £69,000 in rent arrears, what a joke he landlord’ could have a loan on the property. (Poor landlord’) Mr McCabe says I will probably be made bankrupt I bet that already in place.. They must have known what the rent and rates where when they took the place on .They have the shop for 7 years Bolton has been going down hill well before that. Should have stayed in Manchester willywonker
  • Score: -41

6:50pm Mon 18 Aug 14

BigGman1 says...

The town died on its arse when burnden park closed. They could have redeveloped burnden and had all that retail at middlebrook in the town centre. Council arent interested in the town centre one bit, its a run down embarrassment. I work all over the country and places like Bury, Huddersfield and Wakefield to name but a few are absolutely light years ahead of Bolton in terms of town centre development. Why hasnt bolton got somewhere like The Rock in bury and a cinema complex or nice restaurants to eat at??? Oh wait a minute its all 6 mile away at middlebrook. Towns a laughing stock.
The town died on its arse when burnden park closed. They could have redeveloped burnden and had all that retail at middlebrook in the town centre. Council arent interested in the town centre one bit, its a run down embarrassment. I work all over the country and places like Bury, Huddersfield and Wakefield to name but a few are absolutely light years ahead of Bolton in terms of town centre development. Why hasnt bolton got somewhere like The Rock in bury and a cinema complex or nice restaurants to eat at??? Oh wait a minute its all 6 mile away at middlebrook. Towns a laughing stock. BigGman1
  • Score: 63

7:16pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Objectively speaking... what exactly can be done to the town centre?

The town centre cannot compete with Middlebrook.

Denis if you do have some cash left in reserve I would suggest you rebuild at Middlebrook. You would make a killing everyday...

If Middlebrook added an extra level of parking space it would be twice as busy... if you added yet another multistory car park in the town centre things would stay the same. Parking fees, parking Nazi's, high rents, low incentives, high business rates for what is effectively a ghost town of bargain basement and closing down stores. 50% of the Market Hall is empty spaces and where is that £48-million station?

Investment scouts are not stupid, anyone coming to Bolton to invest in the shopping district is taking a huge risk... investors know this. The town is not growing, the jobs market is part-time or a low wage fiddle, the infrastructure is crumbling or given a cheap bodge it fix, the buildings are dirty and scruffy, those who are wandering around town are not spending money.

The REALITY is this... the town centre needs a RADICAL redesign, not cosmetic facelifts, not glossing over a problem with sh!tty vaults and a cinema in the wrong part of town, and within a dying Market Hall. NO... the town centre needs to be radically altered, it needs pulling down and starting from scratch in a similar fashion to Middlebrook.

The town centre needs not one attraction but several... they screwed up sending BWFC to Middlebrook, but that does not have to be the end-all in sports facilities in the TC... why not get the investors in to build and Ice-Skating venue... a proper one with a new team to put forward into the Ice Hockey League... Bolton Blades or even (Mr Eddie Davis) Bolton Wanderers Ice Hockey Club, is a scalable vision and would attract thousands to the TC weekly.

Most of all let's speculate to accumulate... free parking brings customers and traders, something that if the council do not act upon NOW, they will lose permanently.

Why wait around for the Metrolink? Bring back our trams... have our own system around town and the surrounding areas.

But the Labour council is clueless, ball-less and seemingly have an agenda that is truly throwing this town down the proverbial pan.
Objectively speaking... what exactly can be done to the town centre? The town centre cannot compete with Middlebrook. Denis if you do have some cash left in reserve I would suggest you rebuild at Middlebrook. You would make a killing everyday... If Middlebrook added an extra level of parking space it would be twice as busy... if you added yet another multistory car park in the town centre things would stay the same. Parking fees, parking Nazi's, high rents, low incentives, high business rates for what is effectively a ghost town of bargain basement and closing down stores. 50% of the Market Hall is empty spaces and where is that £48-million station? Investment scouts are not stupid, anyone coming to Bolton to invest in the shopping district is taking a huge risk... investors know this. The town is not growing, the jobs market is part-time or a low wage fiddle, the infrastructure is crumbling or given a cheap bodge it fix, the buildings are dirty and scruffy, those who are wandering around town are not spending money. The REALITY is this... the town centre needs a RADICAL redesign, not cosmetic facelifts, not glossing over a problem with sh!tty vaults and a cinema in the wrong part of town, and within a dying Market Hall. NO... the town centre needs to be radically altered, it needs pulling down and starting from scratch in a similar fashion to Middlebrook. The town centre needs not one attraction but several... they screwed up sending BWFC to Middlebrook, but that does not have to be the end-all in sports facilities in the TC... why not get the investors in to build and Ice-Skating venue... a proper one with a new team to put forward into the Ice Hockey League... Bolton Blades or even (Mr Eddie Davis) Bolton Wanderers Ice Hockey Club, is a scalable vision and would attract thousands to the TC weekly. Most of all let's speculate to accumulate... free parking brings customers and traders, something that if the council do not act upon NOW, they will lose permanently. Why wait around for the Metrolink? Bring back our trams... have our own system around town and the surrounding areas. But the Labour council is clueless, ball-less and seemingly have an agenda that is truly throwing this town down the proverbial pan. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 38

7:19pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Beyond News Forum says...

What better location for the Ice-Skating venue than the current Moor Lane Station? Right size and will not kill the market like a Tesco would.
What better location for the Ice-Skating venue than the current Moor Lane Station? Right size and will not kill the market like a Tesco would. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 33

7:28pm Mon 18 Aug 14

BigGman1 says...

Or get a rugby league team going?
Or get a rugby league team going? BigGman1
  • Score: 12

7:32pm Mon 18 Aug 14

cosmicma says...

remind me why bolton needs a new multi million pound bus station ??

do the council think it will attract more visitors ?
i don't think iv'e ever heard " oh you must visit x town the bus station is to dye for " ever in my life for any town or city
bolton is done it's a sad thing when one by one businesses are leaving or being forced to close

the council needs to ask itself why there is no footfall in the town centre ?
people have stopped using the town centre for a reason it's not something thats just happened
the attraction of out of town shopping parks isn't the answer and town centre parking will have something to do with it but when an over zealous traffic warden slaps a ticket on your car for being 2 Minuets late it leaves a bad taste and people get to hear and decide to go elsewhere
shops have less footfall , struggle then close it's a declining circle the council have sat back and watched it happen it's no good offering free parking now your too late

why do we need a new bus station it will be derelict within five years along with the rest of the town spend the money where it is needed
remind me why bolton needs a new multi million pound bus station ?? do the council think it will attract more visitors ? i don't think iv'e ever heard " oh you must visit x town the bus station is to dye for " ever in my life for any town or city bolton is done it's a sad thing when one by one businesses are leaving or being forced to close the council needs to ask itself why there is no footfall in the town centre ? people have stopped using the town centre for a reason it's not something thats just happened the attraction of out of town shopping parks isn't the answer and town centre parking will have something to do with it but when an over zealous traffic warden slaps a ticket on your car for being 2 Minuets late it leaves a bad taste and people get to hear and decide to go elsewhere shops have less footfall , struggle then close it's a declining circle the council have sat back and watched it happen it's no good offering free parking now your too late why do we need a new bus station it will be derelict within five years along with the rest of the town spend the money where it is needed cosmicma
  • Score: 26

7:53pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Djorkaeff's right peg says...

Beyond News Forum wrote:
Objectively speaking... what exactly can be done to the town centre?

The town centre cannot compete with Middlebrook.

Denis if you do have some cash left in reserve I would suggest you rebuild at Middlebrook. You would make a killing everyday...

If Middlebrook added an extra level of parking space it would be twice as busy... if you added yet another multistory car park in the town centre things would stay the same. Parking fees, parking Nazi's, high rents, low incentives, high business rates for what is effectively a ghost town of bargain basement and closing down stores. 50% of the Market Hall is empty spaces and where is that £48-million station?

Investment scouts are not stupid, anyone coming to Bolton to invest in the shopping district is taking a huge risk... investors know this. The town is not growing, the jobs market is part-time or a low wage fiddle, the infrastructure is crumbling or given a cheap bodge it fix, the buildings are dirty and scruffy, those who are wandering around town are not spending money.

The REALITY is this... the town centre needs a RADICAL redesign, not cosmetic facelifts, not glossing over a problem with sh!tty vaults and a cinema in the wrong part of town, and within a dying Market Hall. NO... the town centre needs to be radically altered, it needs pulling down and starting from scratch in a similar fashion to Middlebrook.

The town centre needs not one attraction but several... they screwed up sending BWFC to Middlebrook, but that does not have to be the end-all in sports facilities in the TC... why not get the investors in to build and Ice-Skating venue... a proper one with a new team to put forward into the Ice Hockey League... Bolton Blades or even (Mr Eddie Davis) Bolton Wanderers Ice Hockey Club, is a scalable vision and would attract thousands to the TC weekly.

Most of all let's speculate to accumulate... free parking brings customers and traders, something that if the council do not act upon NOW, they will lose permanently.

Why wait around for the Metrolink? Bring back our trams... have our own system around town and the surrounding areas.

But the Labour council is clueless, ball-less and seemingly have an agenda that is truly throwing this town down the proverbial pan.
Ditto! Well stated my friend!
[quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: Objectively speaking... what exactly can be done to the town centre? The town centre cannot compete with Middlebrook. Denis if you do have some cash left in reserve I would suggest you rebuild at Middlebrook. You would make a killing everyday... If Middlebrook added an extra level of parking space it would be twice as busy... if you added yet another multistory car park in the town centre things would stay the same. Parking fees, parking Nazi's, high rents, low incentives, high business rates for what is effectively a ghost town of bargain basement and closing down stores. 50% of the Market Hall is empty spaces and where is that £48-million station? Investment scouts are not stupid, anyone coming to Bolton to invest in the shopping district is taking a huge risk... investors know this. The town is not growing, the jobs market is part-time or a low wage fiddle, the infrastructure is crumbling or given a cheap bodge it fix, the buildings are dirty and scruffy, those who are wandering around town are not spending money. The REALITY is this... the town centre needs a RADICAL redesign, not cosmetic facelifts, not glossing over a problem with sh!tty vaults and a cinema in the wrong part of town, and within a dying Market Hall. NO... the town centre needs to be radically altered, it needs pulling down and starting from scratch in a similar fashion to Middlebrook. The town centre needs not one attraction but several... they screwed up sending BWFC to Middlebrook, but that does not have to be the end-all in sports facilities in the TC... why not get the investors in to build and Ice-Skating venue... a proper one with a new team to put forward into the Ice Hockey League... Bolton Blades or even (Mr Eddie Davis) Bolton Wanderers Ice Hockey Club, is a scalable vision and would attract thousands to the TC weekly. Most of all let's speculate to accumulate... free parking brings customers and traders, something that if the council do not act upon NOW, they will lose permanently. Why wait around for the Metrolink? Bring back our trams... have our own system around town and the surrounding areas. But the Labour council is clueless, ball-less and seemingly have an agenda that is truly throwing this town down the proverbial pan.[/p][/quote]Ditto! Well stated my friend! Djorkaeff's right peg
  • Score: 17

7:59pm Mon 18 Aug 14

catsden says...

Was a great fish and chip use to like going in there for lunch, such a shame, different to all the tacky rubbish takeaways. Bolton Town Centre is full of them. The Town Centre is slowly dying a death It did use to be a great Shopping Centre, not anymore, The Town Hall Square on a Saturday is full of layabouts,
Was a great fish and chip use to like going in there for lunch, such a shame, different to all the tacky rubbish takeaways. Bolton Town Centre is full of them. The Town Centre is slowly dying a death It did use to be a great Shopping Centre, not anymore, The Town Hall Square on a Saturday is full of layabouts, catsden
  • Score: 20

8:15pm Mon 18 Aug 14

willywonker says...

Djorkaeff's right peg wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
Objectively speaking... what exactly can be done to the town centre?

The town centre cannot compete with Middlebrook.

Denis if you do have some cash left in reserve I would suggest you rebuild at Middlebrook. You would make a killing everyday...

If Middlebrook added an extra level of parking space it would be twice as busy... if you added yet another multistory car park in the town centre things would stay the same. Parking fees, parking Nazi's, high rents, low incentives, high business rates for what is effectively a ghost town of bargain basement and closing down stores. 50% of the Market Hall is empty spaces and where is that £48-million station?

Investment scouts are not stupid, anyone coming to Bolton to invest in the shopping district is taking a huge risk... investors know this. The town is not growing, the jobs market is part-time or a low wage fiddle, the infrastructure is crumbling or given a cheap bodge it fix, the buildings are dirty and scruffy, those who are wandering around town are not spending money.

The REALITY is this... the town centre needs a RADICAL redesign, not cosmetic facelifts, not glossing over a problem with sh!tty vaults and a cinema in the wrong part of town, and within a dying Market Hall. NO... the town centre needs to be radically altered, it needs pulling down and starting from scratch in a similar fashion to Middlebrook.

The town centre needs not one attraction but several... they screwed up sending BWFC to Middlebrook, but that does not have to be the end-all in sports facilities in the TC... why not get the investors in to build and Ice-Skating venue... a proper one with a new team to put forward into the Ice Hockey League... Bolton Blades or even (Mr Eddie Davis) Bolton Wanderers Ice Hockey Club, is a scalable vision and would attract thousands to the TC weekly.

Most of all let's speculate to accumulate... free parking brings customers and traders, something that if the council do not act upon NOW, they will lose permanently.

Why wait around for the Metrolink? Bring back our trams... have our own system around town and the surrounding areas.

But the Labour council is clueless, ball-less and seemingly have an agenda that is truly throwing this town down the proverbial pan.
Ditto! Well stated my friend!
(Denis if you do have some cash left in reserve I would suggest you rebuild at Middlebrook.)
He wont be going to the Middlebrook he is going bankrupt he owes his last landlord 69k, who will trust him to pay his rent, would you ?
[quote][p][bold]Djorkaeff's right peg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: Objectively speaking... what exactly can be done to the town centre? The town centre cannot compete with Middlebrook. Denis if you do have some cash left in reserve I would suggest you rebuild at Middlebrook. You would make a killing everyday... If Middlebrook added an extra level of parking space it would be twice as busy... if you added yet another multistory car park in the town centre things would stay the same. Parking fees, parking Nazi's, high rents, low incentives, high business rates for what is effectively a ghost town of bargain basement and closing down stores. 50% of the Market Hall is empty spaces and where is that £48-million station? Investment scouts are not stupid, anyone coming to Bolton to invest in the shopping district is taking a huge risk... investors know this. The town is not growing, the jobs market is part-time or a low wage fiddle, the infrastructure is crumbling or given a cheap bodge it fix, the buildings are dirty and scruffy, those who are wandering around town are not spending money. The REALITY is this... the town centre needs a RADICAL redesign, not cosmetic facelifts, not glossing over a problem with sh!tty vaults and a cinema in the wrong part of town, and within a dying Market Hall. NO... the town centre needs to be radically altered, it needs pulling down and starting from scratch in a similar fashion to Middlebrook. The town centre needs not one attraction but several... they screwed up sending BWFC to Middlebrook, but that does not have to be the end-all in sports facilities in the TC... why not get the investors in to build and Ice-Skating venue... a proper one with a new team to put forward into the Ice Hockey League... Bolton Blades or even (Mr Eddie Davis) Bolton Wanderers Ice Hockey Club, is a scalable vision and would attract thousands to the TC weekly. Most of all let's speculate to accumulate... free parking brings customers and traders, something that if the council do not act upon NOW, they will lose permanently. Why wait around for the Metrolink? Bring back our trams... have our own system around town and the surrounding areas. But the Labour council is clueless, ball-less and seemingly have an agenda that is truly throwing this town down the proverbial pan.[/p][/quote]Ditto! Well stated my friend![/p][/quote](Denis if you do have some cash left in reserve I would suggest you rebuild at Middlebrook.) He wont be going to the Middlebrook he is going bankrupt he owes his last landlord 69k, who will trust him to pay his rent, would you ? willywonker
  • Score: 5

8:25pm Mon 18 Aug 14

EmShambles says...

Bad news for the business owner. Genuinely sad for him and his employees. On the bright side,Bolton life expectancy may rise in accordance with the rest of the western world. Maybe he could open a drive thru salad bar? Go on,thumb me down.
Bad news for the business owner. Genuinely sad for him and his employees. On the bright side,Bolton life expectancy may rise in accordance with the rest of the western world. Maybe he could open a drive thru salad bar? Go on,thumb me down. EmShambles
  • Score: -9

8:34pm Mon 18 Aug 14

the judgement day says...

Theo from Olympus chippy deserves a full page spresd bemoaning the death of chippys and self publicising his own
Theo from Olympus chippy deserves a full page spresd bemoaning the death of chippys and self publicising his own the judgement day
  • Score: 10

8:40pm Mon 18 Aug 14

willywonker says...

EmShambles wrote:
Bad news for the business owner. Genuinely sad for him and his employees. On the bright side,Bolton life expectancy may rise in accordance with the rest of the western world. Maybe he could open a drive thru salad bar? Go on,thumb me down.
They had a salad sort a place a few doors up from this chippy. Subway. That's all so shut down lol
[quote][p][bold]EmShambles[/bold] wrote: Bad news for the business owner. Genuinely sad for him and his employees. On the bright side,Bolton life expectancy may rise in accordance with the rest of the western world. Maybe he could open a drive thru salad bar? Go on,thumb me down.[/p][/quote]They had a salad sort a place a few doors up from this chippy. Subway. That's all so shut down lol willywonker
  • Score: 20

9:07pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Hannah Sharples says...

Sooo sad to here that Alice's Chippy has closed down. I remember when it was newly opening and I was lucky enough to get my first weekend job there! It was a honour working with such lovely people!!! Especially Dennis & Keith! The fish & chips were 100% the best in bolton! & my favourite was the English curry yum!

Thinking of Dennis and the team at this sad time! All the best for the future Xxx
Sooo sad to here that Alice's Chippy has closed down. I remember when it was newly opening and I was lucky enough to get my first weekend job there! It was a honour working with such lovely people!!! Especially Dennis & Keith! The fish & chips were 100% the best in bolton! & my favourite was the English curry yum! Thinking of Dennis and the team at this sad time! All the best for the future Xxx Hannah Sharples
  • Score: 29

9:13pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Percy Thrower says...

Don Kiddick wrote:
fish and chips is . . . well fish and chips - dull as dishwater and horrendously unhealthy.

Ok once in a blue moon but compared to the range of options available at a Chinese, Indian or other takeaway, chippys belong in the 70s.
Chinese = MSG and high in animal fat, fish and chips which are normally cooked in vegetable oil, which is healthier.
Most Indian meals are also swimming in more oil than 10 portions of fish and chips.
Fish and chips is fish and chips, they can't be substituted by using dodgy ingredients, some of these chinese and Indian takeaways have been found to be putting some unusual tasting meats in their curries
[quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: fish and chips is . . . well fish and chips - dull as dishwater and horrendously unhealthy. Ok once in a blue moon but compared to the range of options available at a Chinese, Indian or other takeaway, chippys belong in the 70s.[/p][/quote]Chinese = MSG and high in animal fat, fish and chips which are normally cooked in vegetable oil, which is healthier. Most Indian meals are also swimming in more oil than 10 portions of fish and chips. Fish and chips is fish and chips, they can't be substituted by using dodgy ingredients, some of these chinese and Indian takeaways have been found to be putting some unusual tasting meats in their curries Percy Thrower
  • Score: 33

9:18pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Djorkaeff's right peg says...

Back in t' day as a lad, my gran used to take me to Maxims on Bradshawgate for fish, chips, peas, bread/butter and a cup of tea for just £1.20 and you were serenaded with easy listening music in the background. How the times have changed.

All that is left of Bolton is melancholic nostalgia. The town once thrived and was the place to be, but its demise is clear to all.
Back in t' day as a lad, my gran used to take me to Maxims on Bradshawgate for fish, chips, peas, bread/butter and a cup of tea for just £1.20 and you were serenaded with easy listening music in the background. How the times have changed. All that is left of Bolton is melancholic nostalgia. The town once thrived and was the place to be, but its demise is clear to all. Djorkaeff's right peg
  • Score: 20

9:26pm Mon 18 Aug 14

keithyno.1 says...

Valiant One wrote:
This chippy has a private owner who charges rent. Business rates are not controlled by the Council they are calculated by Central Government and though collected by the Council, it all goes to the government coffers. Bolton has lost £100 mlllion in grants since the Tories came in in 2011. The Council simply hasnt the resources to help out an ailing chippy..
A chip shop in Bolton closes down because it can't pay its way and it's all the fault of the Tory government (conveniently forgetting that it's a coalition with the Lib Dems) down in Whitehall? For god's sake, take your red blinkers off and get real.....
[quote][p][bold]Valiant One[/bold] wrote: This chippy has a private owner who charges rent. Business rates are not controlled by the Council they are calculated by Central Government and though collected by the Council, it all goes to the government coffers. Bolton has lost £100 mlllion in grants since the Tories came in in 2011. The Council simply hasnt the resources to help out an ailing chippy..[/p][/quote]A chip shop in Bolton closes down because it can't pay its way and it's all the fault of the Tory government (conveniently forgetting that it's a coalition with the Lib Dems) down in Whitehall? For god's sake, take your red blinkers off and get real..... keithyno.1
  • Score: 10

9:30pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Citizen Cane says...

A good spot for a kosher delicatessen which the town badly needs in order to create a multicultural balance. What think you?
A good spot for a kosher delicatessen which the town badly needs in order to create a multicultural balance. What think you? Citizen Cane
  • Score: -7

9:32pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Djorkaeff's right peg says...

Citizen Cane wrote:
A good spot for a kosher delicatessen which the town badly needs in order to create a multicultural balance. What think you?
Laughing out loud! Why not?
[quote][p][bold]Citizen Cane[/bold] wrote: A good spot for a kosher delicatessen which the town badly needs in order to create a multicultural balance. What think you?[/p][/quote]Laughing out loud! Why not? Djorkaeff's right peg
  • Score: 6

10:14pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Don Kiddick says...

Percy Thrower wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
fish and chips is . . . well fish and chips - dull as dishwater and horrendously unhealthy.

Ok once in a blue moon but compared to the range of options available at a Chinese, Indian or other takeaway, chippys belong in the 70s.
Chinese = MSG and high in animal fat, fish and chips which are normally cooked in vegetable oil, which is healthier.
Most Indian meals are also swimming in more oil than 10 portions of fish and chips.
Fish and chips is fish and chips, they can't be substituted by using dodgy ingredients, some of these chinese and Indian takeaways have been found to be putting some unusual tasting meats in their curries
Fair points well made.

I've never been to this place, so cannot comment on its quality. Haven't been to one in ages as they are so dull but I judge chippys on the brands they use - if they don't use the same as I'd use at home they don't get a return visit. Hollands, Heinz, Sarsons or the owner doesn't give a c r a p about his or her customers prefering to pass on cheap wholesalers' tat.

Bambu opposite the Post Office - best eatery in Bolton town centre and thriving.
[quote][p][bold]Percy Thrower[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: fish and chips is . . . well fish and chips - dull as dishwater and horrendously unhealthy. Ok once in a blue moon but compared to the range of options available at a Chinese, Indian or other takeaway, chippys belong in the 70s.[/p][/quote]Chinese = MSG and high in animal fat, fish and chips which are normally cooked in vegetable oil, which is healthier. Most Indian meals are also swimming in more oil than 10 portions of fish and chips. Fish and chips is fish and chips, they can't be substituted by using dodgy ingredients, some of these chinese and Indian takeaways have been found to be putting some unusual tasting meats in their curries[/p][/quote]Fair points well made. I've never been to this place, so cannot comment on its quality. Haven't been to one in ages as they are so dull but I judge chippys on the brands they use - if they don't use the same as I'd use at home they don't get a return visit. Hollands, Heinz, Sarsons or the owner doesn't give a c r a p about his or her customers prefering to pass on cheap wholesalers' tat. Bambu opposite the Post Office - best eatery in Bolton town centre and thriving. Don Kiddick
  • Score: 2

10:15pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Don Kiddick says...

. . . anyone else think it's wierd the two brothers are rubbing their a r s e s together?
. . . anyone else think it's wierd the two brothers are rubbing their a r s e s together? Don Kiddick
  • Score: -3

10:55pm Mon 18 Aug 14

artistpaint says...

You cant beat a good fish chips mushy peas.there the best takeaway money can buy.and its fresh unmessed unprocessed and whole food.unbeatable.....
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You cant beat a good fish chips mushy peas.there the best takeaway money can buy.and its fresh unmessed unprocessed and whole food.unbeatable..... .. artistpaint
  • Score: 10

11:18pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Mick England says...

How sad.
How sad. Mick England
  • Score: 5

11:26pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Mick England says...

Beyond News Forum wrote:
Objectively speaking... what exactly can be done to the town centre?

The town centre cannot compete with Middlebrook.

Denis if you do have some cash left in reserve I would suggest you rebuild at Middlebrook. You would make a killing everyday...

If Middlebrook added an extra level of parking space it would be twice as busy... if you added yet another multistory car park in the town centre things would stay the same. Parking fees, parking Nazi's, high rents, low incentives, high business rates for what is effectively a ghost town of bargain basement and closing down stores. 50% of the Market Hall is empty spaces and where is that £48-million station?

Investment scouts are not stupid, anyone coming to Bolton to invest in the shopping district is taking a huge risk... investors know this. The town is not growing, the jobs market is part-time or a low wage fiddle, the infrastructure is crumbling or given a cheap bodge it fix, the buildings are dirty and scruffy, those who are wandering around town are not spending money.

The REALITY is this... the town centre needs a RADICAL redesign, not cosmetic facelifts, not glossing over a problem with sh!tty vaults and a cinema in the wrong part of town, and within a dying Market Hall. NO... the town centre needs to be radically altered, it needs pulling down and starting from scratch in a similar fashion to Middlebrook.

The town centre needs not one attraction but several... they screwed up sending BWFC to Middlebrook, but that does not have to be the end-all in sports facilities in the TC... why not get the investors in to build and Ice-Skating venue... a proper one with a new team to put forward into the Ice Hockey League... Bolton Blades or even (Mr Eddie Davis) Bolton Wanderers Ice Hockey Club, is a scalable vision and would attract thousands to the TC weekly.

Most of all let's speculate to accumulate... free parking brings customers and traders, something that if the council do not act upon NOW, they will lose permanently.

Why wait around for the Metrolink? Bring back our trams... have our own system around town and the surrounding areas.

But the Labour council is clueless, ball-less and seemingly have an agenda that is truly throwing this town down the proverbial pan.
What a great idea.
[quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: Objectively speaking... what exactly can be done to the town centre? The town centre cannot compete with Middlebrook. Denis if you do have some cash left in reserve I would suggest you rebuild at Middlebrook. You would make a killing everyday... If Middlebrook added an extra level of parking space it would be twice as busy... if you added yet another multistory car park in the town centre things would stay the same. Parking fees, parking Nazi's, high rents, low incentives, high business rates for what is effectively a ghost town of bargain basement and closing down stores. 50% of the Market Hall is empty spaces and where is that £48-million station? Investment scouts are not stupid, anyone coming to Bolton to invest in the shopping district is taking a huge risk... investors know this. The town is not growing, the jobs market is part-time or a low wage fiddle, the infrastructure is crumbling or given a cheap bodge it fix, the buildings are dirty and scruffy, those who are wandering around town are not spending money. The REALITY is this... the town centre needs a RADICAL redesign, not cosmetic facelifts, not glossing over a problem with sh!tty vaults and a cinema in the wrong part of town, and within a dying Market Hall. NO... the town centre needs to be radically altered, it needs pulling down and starting from scratch in a similar fashion to Middlebrook. The town centre needs not one attraction but several... they screwed up sending BWFC to Middlebrook, but that does not have to be the end-all in sports facilities in the TC... why not get the investors in to build and Ice-Skating venue... a proper one with a new team to put forward into the Ice Hockey League... Bolton Blades or even (Mr Eddie Davis) Bolton Wanderers Ice Hockey Club, is a scalable vision and would attract thousands to the TC weekly. Most of all let's speculate to accumulate... free parking brings customers and traders, something that if the council do not act upon NOW, they will lose permanently. Why wait around for the Metrolink? Bring back our trams... have our own system around town and the surrounding areas. But the Labour council is clueless, ball-less and seemingly have an agenda that is truly throwing this town down the proverbial pan.[/p][/quote]What a great idea. Mick England
  • Score: 9

11:30pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Mick England says...

Why don't us Horwichers get a petition up to disassociate ourselves with Bolton and lay our allegiances with Chorley?
Why don't us Horwichers get a petition up to disassociate ourselves with Bolton and lay our allegiances with Chorley? Mick England
  • Score: 6

11:33pm Mon 18 Aug 14

jonolakes says...

Traditions of Bolton sadly disappearing - what's next to go Prestons of Bolton!
Traditions of Bolton sadly disappearing - what's next to go Prestons of Bolton! jonolakes
  • Score: 14

7:28am Tue 19 Aug 14

Sean kingston says...

Percy Thrower wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
fish and chips is . . . well fish and chips - dull as dishwater and horrendously unhealthy.

Ok once in a blue moon but compared to the range of options available at a Chinese, Indian or other takeaway, chippys belong in the 70s.
Chinese = MSG and high in animal fat, fish and chips which are normally cooked in vegetable oil, which is healthier.
Most Indian meals are also swimming in more oil than 10 portions of fish and chips.
Fish and chips is fish and chips, they can't be substituted by using dodgy ingredients, some of these chinese and Indian takeaways have been found to be putting some unusual tasting meats in their curries
What!?! You mean like horse meat that you find in all the supermarkets?!? Get a life mate, chips ain't healthy at all!
[quote][p][bold]Percy Thrower[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: fish and chips is . . . well fish and chips - dull as dishwater and horrendously unhealthy. Ok once in a blue moon but compared to the range of options available at a Chinese, Indian or other takeaway, chippys belong in the 70s.[/p][/quote]Chinese = MSG and high in animal fat, fish and chips which are normally cooked in vegetable oil, which is healthier. Most Indian meals are also swimming in more oil than 10 portions of fish and chips. Fish and chips is fish and chips, they can't be substituted by using dodgy ingredients, some of these chinese and Indian takeaways have been found to be putting some unusual tasting meats in their curries[/p][/quote]What!?! You mean like horse meat that you find in all the supermarkets?!? Get a life mate, chips ain't healthy at all! Sean kingston
  • Score: 1

8:34am Tue 19 Aug 14

Percy Thrower says...

Sean kingston wrote:
Percy Thrower wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
fish and chips is . . . well fish and chips - dull as dishwater and horrendously unhealthy.

Ok once in a blue moon but compared to the range of options available at a Chinese, Indian or other takeaway, chippys belong in the 70s.
Chinese = MSG and high in animal fat, fish and chips which are normally cooked in vegetable oil, which is healthier.
Most Indian meals are also swimming in more oil than 10 portions of fish and chips.
Fish and chips is fish and chips, they can't be substituted by using dodgy ingredients, some of these chinese and Indian takeaways have been found to be putting some unusual tasting meats in their curries
What!?! You mean like horse meat that you find in all the supermarkets?!? Get a life mate, chips ain't healthy at all!
I never said they was
[quote][p][bold]Sean kingston[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Percy Thrower[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: fish and chips is . . . well fish and chips - dull as dishwater and horrendously unhealthy. Ok once in a blue moon but compared to the range of options available at a Chinese, Indian or other takeaway, chippys belong in the 70s.[/p][/quote]Chinese = MSG and high in animal fat, fish and chips which are normally cooked in vegetable oil, which is healthier. Most Indian meals are also swimming in more oil than 10 portions of fish and chips. Fish and chips is fish and chips, they can't be substituted by using dodgy ingredients, some of these chinese and Indian takeaways have been found to be putting some unusual tasting meats in their curries[/p][/quote]What!?! You mean like horse meat that you find in all the supermarkets?!? Get a life mate, chips ain't healthy at all![/p][/quote]I never said they was Percy Thrower
  • Score: 3

8:45am Tue 19 Aug 14

Bassist of Bolton says...

Mick England wrote:
Why don't us Horwichers get a petition up to disassociate ourselves with Bolton and lay our allegiances with Chorley?
I seem to remember reading this as a headline at one point
[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote: Why don't us Horwichers get a petition up to disassociate ourselves with Bolton and lay our allegiances with Chorley?[/p][/quote]I seem to remember reading this as a headline at one point Bassist of Bolton
  • Score: 2

8:46am Tue 19 Aug 14

Bob Shaftoe says...

Percy Thrower wrote:
Don Kiddick wrote:
fish and chips is . . . well fish and chips - dull as dishwater and horrendously unhealthy.

Ok once in a blue moon but compared to the range of options available at a Chinese, Indian or other takeaway, chippys belong in the 70s.
Chinese = MSG and high in animal fat, fish and chips which are normally cooked in vegetable oil, which is healthier.
Most Indian meals are also swimming in more oil than 10 portions of fish and chips.
Fish and chips is fish and chips, they can't be substituted by using dodgy ingredients, some of these chinese and Indian takeaways have been found to be putting some unusual tasting meats in their curries
So that's what happened to the cat's that were found on the on the curry mile!
We haven't a clue what goes goes on in the kitchens of these places.
[quote][p][bold]Percy Thrower[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: fish and chips is . . . well fish and chips - dull as dishwater and horrendously unhealthy. Ok once in a blue moon but compared to the range of options available at a Chinese, Indian or other takeaway, chippys belong in the 70s.[/p][/quote]Chinese = MSG and high in animal fat, fish and chips which are normally cooked in vegetable oil, which is healthier. Most Indian meals are also swimming in more oil than 10 portions of fish and chips. Fish and chips is fish and chips, they can't be substituted by using dodgy ingredients, some of these chinese and Indian takeaways have been found to be putting some unusual tasting meats in their curries[/p][/quote]So that's what happened to the cat's that were found on the on the curry mile! We haven't a clue what goes goes on in the kitchens of these places. Bob Shaftoe
  • Score: 12

11:01am Tue 19 Aug 14

JustBecause says...

It's a business that failed, I hope the guy has paid some of his rent after selling the contents of the shop?

He can add it to the other 5 failed businesses he's been involved in, the newest being incorporated 23 May this year, which is a good way to sell everything you own to another company........

Businesses fail, that's life get over it, if you cannot move, grow with the times, or the time has come to shut shop, then that's that.

BN why the poll on business rates only a very small number of people on here have a clue as to what they are. (A scam is what they are but that's another debate)

As for the debt, if he was paying a grand a week (probably more like half that) it means he hasn't paid rent for well over a year or two bet he's not paid his rates, paye or tax either.
It's a business that failed, I hope the guy has paid some of his rent after selling the contents of the shop? He can add it to the other 5 failed businesses he's been involved in, the newest being incorporated 23 May this year, which is a good way to sell everything you own to another company........ Businesses fail, that's life get over it, if you cannot move, grow with the times, or the time has come to shut shop, then that's that. BN why the poll on business rates only a very small number of people on here have a clue as to what they are. (A scam is what they are but that's another debate) As for the debt, if he was paying a grand a week (probably more like half that) it means he hasn't paid rent for well over a year or two bet he's not paid his rates, paye or tax either. JustBecause
  • Score: -3

11:53am Tue 19 Aug 14

cosmicma says...

jonolakes wrote:
Traditions of Bolton sadly disappearing - what's next to go Prestons of Bolton!
prestons of bolton whent years ago it was bought out of administration in 2005
it is only prestons of bolton in name only it is now part of a chain of stores throughout the north west

on a brighter note it's supposed to be doing quite well so hopefully the store will stay
[quote][p][bold]jonolakes[/bold] wrote: Traditions of Bolton sadly disappearing - what's next to go Prestons of Bolton![/p][/quote]prestons of bolton whent years ago it was bought out of administration in 2005 it is only prestons of bolton in name only it is now part of a chain of stores throughout the north west on a brighter note it's supposed to be doing quite well so hopefully the store will stay cosmicma
  • Score: 5

12:53pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Lancashire always says...

Citizen Cane wrote:
A good spot for a kosher delicatessen which the town badly needs in order to create a multicultural balance. What think you?
Absolutely i would love to eat Kosher nice bit of Bacon and cream cheese on a bagel will go down nicely for lunch !

Ooops !
[quote][p][bold]Citizen Cane[/bold] wrote: A good spot for a kosher delicatessen which the town badly needs in order to create a multicultural balance. What think you?[/p][/quote]Absolutely i would love to eat Kosher nice bit of Bacon and cream cheese on a bagel will go down nicely for lunch ! Ooops ! Lancashire always
  • Score: 1

1:01pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Sickandtiredoffit says...

to the people who voted No to lower buisness rates do you know what the cost is No thats why you voted i have a shop and it is crippling and at this rate shops will disapear so you had best find something else to do because shopping wont be a option once the shops have gone they will never return only the Bookies Charity shops and Pound shops ?
to the people who voted No to lower buisness rates do you know what the cost is No thats why you voted i have a shop and it is crippling and at this rate shops will disapear so you had best find something else to do because shopping wont be a option once the shops have gone they will never return only the Bookies Charity shops and Pound shops ? Sickandtiredoffit
  • Score: 6

1:24pm Tue 19 Aug 14

escapedfromsmithills says...

I saw a sign yesterday saying "welcome to Bolton, a great place to visit"

A great place to visit, knowing you can leave. knowing that wherever else you live is a lot better that the dump of a town Bolton has become.
I saw a sign yesterday saying "welcome to Bolton, a great place to visit" A great place to visit, knowing you can leave. knowing that wherever else you live is a lot better that the dump of a town Bolton has become. escapedfromsmithills
  • Score: 12

3:19pm Tue 19 Aug 14

glenn b says...

Coming soon another charity shop
Coming soon another charity shop glenn b
  • Score: 4

4:39pm Tue 19 Aug 14

flyingdagger says...

I remember visiting this place when it first opened and was purely a fish restaurant. You could choose between cod, plaice, haddock and hake I believe either battered, grilled or shallow fried. The plaice chips and peas were great, among the best I've had,
Went in a few months later on what turned out to be my final visit and the only fish on the menu was battered cod and plaice. The rest of the menu was typical take away stuff pies and burgers. I ordered the battered plaice and it was disgusting and tasted of dirty oil.
If the standard had sunk so low I can't say I'm surprised it's shut down.
I remember visiting this place when it first opened and was purely a fish restaurant. You could choose between cod, plaice, haddock and hake I believe either battered, grilled or shallow fried. The plaice chips and peas were great, among the best I've had, Went in a few months later on what turned out to be my final visit and the only fish on the menu was battered cod and plaice. The rest of the menu was typical take away stuff pies and burgers. I ordered the battered plaice and it was disgusting and tasted of dirty oil. If the standard had sunk so low I can't say I'm surprised it's shut down. flyingdagger
  • Score: 1

5:46pm Tue 19 Aug 14

AndyMorton says...

When is this mosque opening then?
When is this mosque opening then? AndyMorton
  • Score: -1

6:50pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Djorkaeff's right peg says...

Sickandtiredoffit wrote:
to the people who voted No to lower buisness rates do you know what the cost is No thats why you voted i have a shop and it is crippling and at this rate shops will disapear so you had best find something else to do because shopping wont be a option once the shops have gone they will never return only the Bookies Charity shops and Pound shops ?
Hi, it was originally at 100% in favour of the goverment reducing business rates. Unfortunately, there are one or two very sad individuals who manipulate the statistics with multiple votes that usually go against what the majority want. It is because of this that there is no clear consensus to the voting on the Bolton news website and it may as well be abolished.
[quote][p][bold]Sickandtiredoffit[/bold] wrote: to the people who voted No to lower buisness rates do you know what the cost is No thats why you voted i have a shop and it is crippling and at this rate shops will disapear so you had best find something else to do because shopping wont be a option once the shops have gone they will never return only the Bookies Charity shops and Pound shops ?[/p][/quote]Hi, it was originally at 100% in favour of the goverment reducing business rates. Unfortunately, there are one or two very sad individuals who manipulate the statistics with multiple votes that usually go against what the majority want. It is because of this that there is no clear consensus to the voting on the Bolton news website and it may as well be abolished. Djorkaeff's right peg
  • Score: 1

8:00pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Boltonlass20 says...

What a lot of cynical and negative people live in this town judging by some of the comments above! I don't doubt that some bad decisions have been made over the years but if the towns own people cannot help to promote what is a struggling town which can be so much better.. What's the point!? Stop concentrating SO much energy on the bad and starting looking to the future! The WHOLE country has been through very tough times. Not just Bolton! Come on Boltoners get a grip! It's not all over yet!
What a lot of cynical and negative people live in this town judging by some of the comments above! I don't doubt that some bad decisions have been made over the years but if the towns own people cannot help to promote what is a struggling town which can be so much better.. What's the point!? Stop concentrating SO much energy on the bad and starting looking to the future! The WHOLE country has been through very tough times. Not just Bolton! Come on Boltoners get a grip! It's not all over yet! Boltonlass20
  • Score: 0

8:27pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Lynn57 says...

Mick England wrote:
Why don't us Horwichers get a petition up to disassociate ourselves with Bolton and lay our allegiances with Chorley?
Chorley town centre is also a dump. Wigan is more pleasant clean and welcoming. Bolton is full of poverty and lowlifes.
[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote: Why don't us Horwichers get a petition up to disassociate ourselves with Bolton and lay our allegiances with Chorley?[/p][/quote]Chorley town centre is also a dump. Wigan is more pleasant clean and welcoming. Bolton is full of poverty and lowlifes. Lynn57
  • Score: 7

9:18pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Expattriate says...

I don't know this chip shop but from what previous posters have said it's a sad loss but that is Bolton for you, the powers that be don't seem to have any respect for it's culture or heritage. I was born and brought up in Bolton, I haven't lived there for over 40 years but I know what was good about it and what made it special. Over the years I have been back I have seen The rot set in,one of the worst things was what they did to the Market Hall, and the pig's ear they made of Churchgate. Nobody wants to go to Bolton town centre day or night now, well done the Councillors, have you all got shares in the Trafford Centre?! Disgrace!
I don't know this chip shop but from what previous posters have said it's a sad loss but that is Bolton for you, the powers that be don't seem to have any respect for it's culture or heritage. I was born and brought up in Bolton, I haven't lived there for over 40 years but I know what was good about it and what made it special. Over the years I have been back I have seen The rot set in,one of the worst things was what they did to the Market Hall, and the pig's ear they made of Churchgate. Nobody wants to go to Bolton town centre day or night now, well done the Councillors, have you all got shares in the Trafford Centre?! Disgrace! Expattriate
  • Score: 7

9:25pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Expattriate says...

Don Kiddick wrote:
fish and chips is . . . well fish and chips - dull as dishwater and horrendously unhealthy.

Ok once in a blue moon but compared to the range of options available at a Chinese, Indian or other takeaway, chippys belong in the 70s.
Sorry Don, you are the one stuck in the 70's and 80's. Fish and Chips, are enjoying a great revival! And anyway, this as much about it being another nail in the coffin of Bolton town centre than it is about fish and chips. Still, as long as you get what you want to eat, it doesn't matter does it!
[quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: fish and chips is . . . well fish and chips - dull as dishwater and horrendously unhealthy. Ok once in a blue moon but compared to the range of options available at a Chinese, Indian or other takeaway, chippys belong in the 70s.[/p][/quote]Sorry Don, you are the one stuck in the 70's and 80's. Fish and Chips, are enjoying a great revival! And anyway, this as much about it being another nail in the coffin of Bolton town centre than it is about fish and chips. Still, as long as you get what you want to eat, it doesn't matter does it! Expattriate
  • Score: 1

10:06pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Loose Talk says...

Alice's has closed down because people just don't want to come into Bolton. We were born and bred in Bolton but much prefer going to nearby towns such as Bury and Blackburn plus the Trafford Centre and Middlebrook. Call us traitors, but a walk through our 'showpiece' town hall square with all the scum and east european immigrants lounging around and any like minded individual will understand our logic. But for family we would have already moved well away from what it a slowly disintegrating town. Who to blame? The local clowns in the council or central government? Market forces? To be honest I don't care!!! Last one out turn off the lights!!!
Alice's has closed down because people just don't want to come into Bolton. We were born and bred in Bolton but much prefer going to nearby towns such as Bury and Blackburn plus the Trafford Centre and Middlebrook. Call us traitors, but a walk through our 'showpiece' town hall square with all the scum and east european immigrants lounging around and any like minded individual will understand our logic. But for family we would have already moved well away from what it a slowly disintegrating town. Who to blame? The local clowns in the council or central government? Market forces? To be honest I don't care!!! Last one out turn off the lights!!! Loose Talk
  • Score: 7

12:51am Wed 20 Aug 14

united99 says...

AndyMorton wrote:
When is this mosque opening then?
Usual rubbish again boys and girls !!!
If the chippy was that good like you seem to suggest then it would still be open today.
Bottom line may be it wasn't as good as what you make it out to be, every one has to pay their dues just like any one else.
If you can't afford to stay afloat then I'm afraid something is not right - it's time to close.
Ps if I was the landlord then I would not have let the rent arrears run up to this amount - crickey it's not pocket money is it - on a brighter note there's always the curry and kebab shops you can go to - cheap and proper food.
[quote][p][bold]AndyMorton[/bold] wrote: When is this mosque opening then?[/p][/quote]Usual rubbish again boys and girls !!! If the chippy was that good like you seem to suggest then it would still be open today. Bottom line may be it wasn't as good as what you make it out to be, every one has to pay their dues just like any one else. If you can't afford to stay afloat then I'm afraid something is not right - it's time to close. Ps if I was the landlord then I would not have let the rent arrears run up to this amount - crickey it's not pocket money is it - on a brighter note there's always the curry and kebab shops you can go to - cheap and proper food. united99
  • Score: -5

6:24am Wed 20 Aug 14

KW1990 says...

what a load of ****. the town centre is heaving each day. market days even more so. fact is you all want **** little shops to survive. things cant be kept open 'for the sake of it' then you end up with people running **** no profit making business and draining the coffers doing so all to 'fill a shop' if a site is worth having then it will be filled, all the large retail outlets are filled, fact is that large chains don't want little stores.

the town centre is limited by space and grade listed buildings.

the chippy was 'ok' nothing special though, it was also at the drinking end of town and piszed up people want £2.50 kebabs, not to spend £5 on fish and chips.
what a load of ****. the town centre is heaving each day. market days even more so. fact is you all want **** little shops to survive. things cant be kept open 'for the sake of it' then you end up with people running **** no profit making business and draining the coffers doing so all to 'fill a shop' if a site is worth having then it will be filled, all the large retail outlets are filled, fact is that large chains don't want little stores. the town centre is limited by space and grade listed buildings. the chippy was 'ok' nothing special though, it was also at the drinking end of town and piszed up people want £2.50 kebabs, not to spend £5 on fish and chips. KW1990
  • Score: -3

12:46pm Wed 20 Aug 14

LoveBolton says...

It's a shame what has happened to this business. But I think Denis is just playing everyone. He most likely been keeping the rent money for years. His rent can't be more than 25k a year so to rack up a bill in arrears of 69k, I say the landlord has been more than generous with him. The council have been more than helpful to Denis with his rates arrears. Rents and rates or high in town Centres, but the prices in that shop reflect that. The landlord has more to loose aswell first of all. He has not been paid rent from this guy for a long long time, most probably the landlord has a mortgage on that property to pay, and if after 3mths that property is still empty they will have to pay full rates as well as well as the mortgage payments with no income from that property. 66 years old come on he on retirement age, most likely nobody serious enough from his family to take over the business, the business was making money it was making his retirement pot aswell. It's the easy option lets go bankrupt f... The landlord and anyone else owed money.
It's a shame what has happened to this business. But I think Denis is just playing everyone. He most likely been keeping the rent money for years. His rent can't be more than 25k a year so to rack up a bill in arrears of 69k, I say the landlord has been more than generous with him. The council have been more than helpful to Denis with his rates arrears. Rents and rates or high in town Centres, but the prices in that shop reflect that. The landlord has more to loose aswell first of all. He has not been paid rent from this guy for a long long time, most probably the landlord has a mortgage on that property to pay, and if after 3mths that property is still empty they will have to pay full rates as well as well as the mortgage payments with no income from that property. 66 years old come on he on retirement age, most likely nobody serious enough from his family to take over the business, the business was making money it was making his retirement pot aswell. It's the easy option lets go bankrupt f... The landlord and anyone else owed money. LoveBolton
  • Score: 1

1:51pm Wed 20 Aug 14

johnnykilroy4 says...

i just hope in the future Bolton council sort this mess out it's a complete shame the way this town is heading 😞
i just hope in the future Bolton council sort this mess out it's a complete shame the way this town is heading 😞 johnnykilroy4
  • Score: 3

1:54pm Wed 20 Aug 14

johnnykilroy4 says...

Suekeith123 wrote:
One of the staff Amanda was a superb waitress, anyone who employs her now will be getting an hardworking diamond,
Olympus chippy is a nice place to work the people in there are fantastic
[quote][p][bold]Suekeith123[/bold] wrote: One of the staff Amanda was a superb waitress, anyone who employs her now will be getting an hardworking diamond,[/p][/quote]Olympus chippy is a nice place to work the people in there are fantastic johnnykilroy4
  • Score: 2

8:00pm Wed 20 Aug 14

mark647493 says...

bolton has been going down hill for a long time, i live in worsley and what always attracted me to bolton was the uniqueness, i actually loved the old market place with it's shops that you didn't see anywhere else, and it's general quaintness, when it closed and was replaced by a mini trafford centre, it lost everything. but theres also the paying for parking, people cn just go to tesco in walkden without the hassle, or of course the trafford centre, they built the new market place, which cost lot raising rates in the process, when he asks the council to help him, i don't know what he means? if he's talking about lowering taxes, then of course, bolton is on the road to becoming like walkden, a hugh sainsburys, boots a couple of charity shops. people need to learn to stop messing with what isn't broken.
bolton has been going down hill for a long time, i live in worsley and what always attracted me to bolton was the uniqueness, i actually loved the old market place with it's shops that you didn't see anywhere else, and it's general quaintness, when it closed and was replaced by a mini trafford centre, it lost everything. but theres also the paying for parking, people cn just go to tesco in walkden without the hassle, or of course the trafford centre, they built the new market place, which cost lot raising rates in the process, when he asks the council to help him, i don't know what he means? if he's talking about lowering taxes, then of course, bolton is on the road to becoming like walkden, a hugh sainsburys, boots a couple of charity shops. people need to learn to stop messing with what isn't broken. mark647493
  • Score: 5

6:10pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Greasy Chip Butty says...

Oh dear me. What will I do now? I aint going Olympus, he's a rip off.
Daubhillisruined - its a free country how about a move to nearby Wigan?
Oh dear me. What will I do now? I aint going Olympus, he's a rip off. Daubhillisruined - its a free country how about a move to nearby Wigan? Greasy Chip Butty
  • Score: 1

7:29pm Thu 21 Aug 14

united99 says...

DAUBHILLISRUINED wrote:
No one wants to come to Bolton anymore it's a dump and I live up daubhill which is even more of a dump.
The town centre and daubhill is full of eastern Europeans, Asians, and half of Africa is here too which don't help, I doubt there are more than 6 English shops or businesses from the tyre place facing college right up to deane church lane.

(I await the usual reply from united99) LOL
You're absolutely right there are no English shops except McDonald's KFC subway and modern radio - the problem is you keep selling us the properties like all the pubs on daubhill to us - if you want to maintain the Englishness in Bolton then my suggestion would be to keep the shops and pubs open for the folks...
On another note you keep whinging about daubhill but deep down I think you really like the place the people shops takeaways or you would not be living on daubhill - are you the bloke that goes into Rajas chippy on derby street for 99p chicken n chips.......great price great food who needs fish n chips !!!
[quote][p][bold]DAUBHILLISRUINED[/bold] wrote: No one wants to come to Bolton anymore it's a dump and I live up daubhill which is even more of a dump. The town centre and daubhill is full of eastern Europeans, Asians, and half of Africa is here too which don't help, I doubt there are more than 6 English shops or businesses from the tyre place facing college right up to deane church lane. (I await the usual reply from united99) LOL[/p][/quote]You're absolutely right there are no English shops except McDonald's KFC subway and modern radio - the problem is you keep selling us the properties like all the pubs on daubhill to us - if you want to maintain the Englishness in Bolton then my suggestion would be to keep the shops and pubs open for the folks... On another note you keep whinging about daubhill but deep down I think you really like the place the people shops takeaways or you would not be living on daubhill - are you the bloke that goes into Rajas chippy on derby street for 99p chicken n chips.......great price great food who needs fish n chips !!! united99
  • Score: -3

9:14pm Thu 21 Aug 14

united99 says...

They still busy what ever you say.
All takeaways on derby street have a 5 star plus rating I should know -I inspected them...
They still busy what ever you say. All takeaways on derby street have a 5 star plus rating I should know -I inspected them... united99
  • Score: -5

9:34pm Thu 21 Aug 14

DAUBHILLISRUINED says...

united99 wrote:
They still busy what ever you say.
All takeaways on derby street have a 5 star plus rating I should know -I inspected them...
PMS... what in between your taxi driving, the only stars they have ever seen are in the sky shining above them.
[quote][p][bold]united99[/bold] wrote: They still busy what ever you say. All takeaways on derby street have a 5 star plus rating I should know -I inspected them...[/p][/quote]PMS... what in between your taxi driving, the only stars they have ever seen are in the sky shining above them. DAUBHILLISRUINED
  • Score: 3

9:36pm Thu 21 Aug 14

DAUBHILLISRUINED says...

Greasy Chip Butty wrote:
Oh dear me. What will I do now? I aint going Olympus, he's a rip off.
Daubhillisruined - its a free country how about a move to nearby Wigan?
I don't like the pies !!!
[quote][p][bold]Greasy Chip Butty[/bold] wrote: Oh dear me. What will I do now? I aint going Olympus, he's a rip off. Daubhillisruined - its a free country how about a move to nearby Wigan?[/p][/quote]I don't like the pies !!! DAUBHILLISRUINED
  • Score: 0

10:52pm Thu 21 Aug 14

united99 says...

DAUBHILLISRUINED wrote:
Greasy Chip Butty wrote:
Oh dear me. What will I do now? I aint going Olympus, he's a rip off.
Daubhillisruined - its a free country how about a move to nearby Wigan?
I don't like the pies !!!
More to the point will Wigan like you !!!
Even if you did move I bet you would miss daubhill and Deane so much you would come back.
[quote][p][bold]DAUBHILLISRUINED[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Greasy Chip Butty[/bold] wrote: Oh dear me. What will I do now? I aint going Olympus, he's a rip off. Daubhillisruined - its a free country how about a move to nearby Wigan?[/p][/quote]I don't like the pies !!![/p][/quote]More to the point will Wigan like you !!! Even if you did move I bet you would miss daubhill and Deane so much you would come back. united99
  • Score: -1

10:37am Sun 24 Aug 14

united99 says...

DAUBHILLISRUINED wrote:
united99 wrote:
DAUBHILLISRUINED wrote:
Greasy Chip Butty wrote:
Oh dear me. What will I do now? I aint going Olympus, he's a rip off.
Daubhillisruined - its a free country how about a move to nearby Wigan?
I don't like the pies !!!
More to the point will Wigan like you !!!
Even if you did move I bet you would miss daubhill and Deane so much you would come back.
Yes wigan will love me.. because I'm white.
Be my guest -sooner the better.
[quote][p][bold]DAUBHILLISRUINED[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]united99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DAUBHILLISRUINED[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Greasy Chip Butty[/bold] wrote: Oh dear me. What will I do now? I aint going Olympus, he's a rip off. Daubhillisruined - its a free country how about a move to nearby Wigan?[/p][/quote]I don't like the pies !!![/p][/quote]More to the point will Wigan like you !!! Even if you did move I bet you would miss daubhill and Deane so much you would come back.[/p][/quote]Yes wigan will love me.. because I'm white.[/p][/quote]Be my guest -sooner the better. united99
  • Score: -4

9:18pm Mon 25 Aug 14

MarcoH says...

AndyMorton wrote:
When is this mosque opening then?
When its been burned to the ground of course
[quote][p][bold]AndyMorton[/bold] wrote: When is this mosque opening then?[/p][/quote]When its been burned to the ground of course MarcoH
  • Score: -2

8:35pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Lostock-Simon says...

I will miss Alice's Chippy as the staff were friendly and courteous and the food excellent. I went into one of the kebab shops on Deansgate opposite the Flying Flute and it was the worst food I have ever tried. The pitta was straight out of a bag cold and hard the meat like leather and the salad saturated with water all for £4.00 too never again.
I will miss Alice's Chippy as the staff were friendly and courteous and the food excellent. I went into one of the kebab shops on Deansgate opposite the Flying Flute and it was the worst food I have ever tried. The pitta was straight out of a bag cold and hard the meat like leather and the salad saturated with water all for £4.00 too never again. Lostock-Simon
  • Score: 0

8:43pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Lostock-Simon says...

I agree with the sentiments on Bolton TC full of loungers and the like. Can we forward a ban on camouflaged tracksuits and any other type of tracksuit being worn between the hours of 8am and 6pm.
I agree with the sentiments on Bolton TC full of loungers and the like. Can we forward a ban on camouflaged tracksuits and any other type of tracksuit being worn between the hours of 8am and 6pm. Lostock-Simon
  • Score: 0

2:25pm Sat 30 Aug 14

bigbob123 says...

willywonker wrote:
Djorkaeff's right peg wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
Objectively speaking... what exactly can be done to the town centre?

The town centre cannot compete with Middlebrook.

Denis if you do have some cash left in reserve I would suggest you rebuild at Middlebrook. You would make a killing everyday...

If Middlebrook added an extra level of parking space it would be twice as busy... if you added yet another multistory car park in the town centre things would stay the same. Parking fees, parking Nazi's, high rents, low incentives, high business rates for what is effectively a ghost town of bargain basement and closing down stores. 50% of the Market Hall is empty spaces and where is that £48-million station?

Investment scouts are not stupid, anyone coming to Bolton to invest in the shopping district is taking a huge risk... investors know this. The town is not growing, the jobs market is part-time or a low wage fiddle, the infrastructure is crumbling or given a cheap bodge it fix, the buildings are dirty and scruffy, those who are wandering around town are not spending money.

The REALITY is this... the town centre needs a RADICAL redesign, not cosmetic facelifts, not glossing over a problem with sh!tty vaults and a cinema in the wrong part of town, and within a dying Market Hall. NO... the town centre needs to be radically altered, it needs pulling down and starting from scratch in a similar fashion to Middlebrook.

The town centre needs not one attraction but several... they screwed up sending BWFC to Middlebrook, but that does not have to be the end-all in sports facilities in the TC... why not get the investors in to build and Ice-Skating venue... a proper one with a new team to put forward into the Ice Hockey League... Bolton Blades or even (Mr Eddie Davis) Bolton Wanderers Ice Hockey Club, is a scalable vision and would attract thousands to the TC weekly.

Most of all let's speculate to accumulate... free parking brings customers and traders, something that if the council do not act upon NOW, they will lose permanently.

Why wait around for the Metrolink? Bring back our trams... have our own system around town and the surrounding areas.

But the Labour council is clueless, ball-less and seemingly have an agenda that is truly throwing this town down the proverbial pan.
Ditto! Well stated my friend!
(Denis if you do have some cash left in reserve I would suggest you rebuild at Middlebrook.)
He wont be going to the Middlebrook he is going bankrupt he owes his last landlord 69k, who will trust him to pay his rent, would you ?
Just set up in a family members name, jobs a good un.
A fish and Chip shop on middy would be a cracking Idea.
Wigan Athletic have Sharpies fish and chips which gets rammed on match days and busy all round with table bookings and passing trade from shoppers on robin park.
I moved from Wigan to Horwich and I know of no decent english chippies in Horwich at all, been to Alice's after a night out and it was a cracking decision, ended up going back for my dinner the following day.
An independent business stuck in the middle of multi-million pound businesses in Middlebrook, I could see it make a killing and create jobs along with taking custom off the corporate big wigs such as maccies, kfc, pizza hut and so on
[quote][p][bold]willywonker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Djorkaeff's right peg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: Objectively speaking... what exactly can be done to the town centre? The town centre cannot compete with Middlebrook. Denis if you do have some cash left in reserve I would suggest you rebuild at Middlebrook. You would make a killing everyday... If Middlebrook added an extra level of parking space it would be twice as busy... if you added yet another multistory car park in the town centre things would stay the same. Parking fees, parking Nazi's, high rents, low incentives, high business rates for what is effectively a ghost town of bargain basement and closing down stores. 50% of the Market Hall is empty spaces and where is that £48-million station? Investment scouts are not stupid, anyone coming to Bolton to invest in the shopping district is taking a huge risk... investors know this. The town is not growing, the jobs market is part-time or a low wage fiddle, the infrastructure is crumbling or given a cheap bodge it fix, the buildings are dirty and scruffy, those who are wandering around town are not spending money. The REALITY is this... the town centre needs a RADICAL redesign, not cosmetic facelifts, not glossing over a problem with sh!tty vaults and a cinema in the wrong part of town, and within a dying Market Hall. NO... the town centre needs to be radically altered, it needs pulling down and starting from scratch in a similar fashion to Middlebrook. The town centre needs not one attraction but several... they screwed up sending BWFC to Middlebrook, but that does not have to be the end-all in sports facilities in the TC... why not get the investors in to build and Ice-Skating venue... a proper one with a new team to put forward into the Ice Hockey League... Bolton Blades or even (Mr Eddie Davis) Bolton Wanderers Ice Hockey Club, is a scalable vision and would attract thousands to the TC weekly. Most of all let's speculate to accumulate... free parking brings customers and traders, something that if the council do not act upon NOW, they will lose permanently. Why wait around for the Metrolink? Bring back our trams... have our own system around town and the surrounding areas. But the Labour council is clueless, ball-less and seemingly have an agenda that is truly throwing this town down the proverbial pan.[/p][/quote]Ditto! Well stated my friend![/p][/quote](Denis if you do have some cash left in reserve I would suggest you rebuild at Middlebrook.) He wont be going to the Middlebrook he is going bankrupt he owes his last landlord 69k, who will trust him to pay his rent, would you ?[/p][/quote]Just set up in a family members name, jobs a good un. A fish and Chip shop on middy would be a cracking Idea. Wigan Athletic have Sharpies fish and chips which gets rammed on match days and busy all round with table bookings and passing trade from shoppers on robin park. I moved from Wigan to Horwich and I know of no decent english chippies in Horwich at all, been to Alice's after a night out and it was a cracking decision, ended up going back for my dinner the following day. An independent business stuck in the middle of multi-million pound businesses in Middlebrook, I could see it make a killing and create jobs along with taking custom off the corporate big wigs such as maccies, kfc, pizza hut and so on bigbob123
  • Score: 0

7:49pm Mon 1 Sep 14

artistpaint says...

Shame.they made great fishnchips.its amazing how all these kebab shops stay open.woundnt touch them with a ten mile tongue myself.
Shame.they made great fishnchips.its amazing how all these kebab shops stay open.woundnt touch them with a ten mile tongue myself. artistpaint
  • Score: 0

2:12pm Tue 2 Sep 14

elysian12345 says...

i know this is not directly related to Alice's directly but i used to work in one of the biggest nightclubs in Bolton finish at 3 in the morning and quite happily walk home with no fear of being mugged knifed or assaulted in any way however you are now not allowed to go for a drink in the town center unless there is a huge posse of friends to support you
Bolton town center is an absolute mess with no support from any of the Councillors or the council in general
what a shame for Bolton
i know this is not directly related to Alice's directly but i used to work in one of the biggest nightclubs in Bolton finish at 3 in the morning and quite happily walk home with no fear of being mugged knifed or assaulted in any way however you are now not allowed to go for a drink in the town center unless there is a huge posse of friends to support you Bolton town center is an absolute mess with no support from any of the Councillors or the council in general what a shame for Bolton elysian12345
  • Score: 2

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