£6.5 million transformation of Bolton Albert Halls - including upmarket restaurant

An artist’s impression of how the finished Albert Halls scheme could look inside the town hall building, complete with cafe, restaurant and new entrance

An artist’s impression of how the finished Albert Halls scheme could look inside the town hall building, complete with cafe, restaurant and new entrance

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BOLTON’S Albert Halls will be completely transformed as part of a £6.5 million revamp.

The work, including a new upmarket restaurant and cafe, means the town centre venue will be closed for up to a year from February — three months longer than originally planned — and will affect Bolton’s pantomime season next year.

Town hall bosses say they have now earmarked up to £6.5 million to spend redeveloping the Grade-II listed building, which they say represents a significant investment into the centre of Bolton.

The budget has increased from the original £4 million allocation and is in addition to the ongoing £3.5 million refurbishment of the council offices within the town hall.

New plans for The Albert Halls include a ground floor cafe, which would open out into an outdoor seating terrace on Victoria Square and operate until the early evening.

A separate high-end restaurant and bar, also with an outdoor terrace, would also be open to theatre-goers and diners at lunchtime and in the evening.

The theatre, function room, bar areas and toilets will be refurbished, and new lifts will be installed to make the building more accessible.

It is expected the local authority will lose at least £135,000 in income while the halls are shut but council bosses say they have “made allowances” for the loss in revenue.

The blueprint for the halls are subject to planning permission, and an application is due to be formally submitted for councillors to examine within the next eight weeks.

The council will also need approval from English Heritage before starting work on the listed venue, but Malcolm Cox, director of environmental services at Bolton Council, stressed the work would be in keeping with the building.

He added: “There’s a lot of historic significance so we won’t be knocking it around. Anything we do will have to be very sympathetic to the building. We want to make the building more accessible to the public.

“It’s about bringing the halls into the 21st century, by upgrading the heating, the lighting, the ventilation and making it more like what you would expect when you go into a high quality entertainment venue.”

Mr Cox said the council is already planning activities for Christmas in 2015 — including finding alternative places to hold plays and pantomimes, and putting more events in the town centre to bring people to Bolton.

A staff consultation about the scheme took place on Monday after the adjusted plans and spending was approved by Bolton Council’s cabinet, and 42 Albert Halls employees and six cleaners have been told they will be offered secondment positions within the authority.

Leader of Bolton Council, Cllr Cliff Morris, described the new plans as “extremely exciting” for residents.

He said: “Creating a high end restaurant and new cafe within the town hall, and making the beautiful Grade-II listed building more accessible to the public is a bold step, but one we hope will be embraced by local residents and visitors alike.

"However, we must stress that these are still proposals that are subject to change, and in the very early stages of development. Like any other redevelopment we must first succeed in obtaining the appropriate permission.

“There will be an element of disruption while the Albert Halls’ side of the building is closed but we are working closely with everyone concerned to ensure that our festive programme of events continues for the benefit of the town.”

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6:14am Thu 21 Aug 14

breightmet kid says...

More money being spent on the Town Hall, another eatery, How much money do our Councillors think we all have to spend on dining out?

Its the town centre that needs sorting out, all the empty shop, all the tatty business premises, the slums.

Towns around Bolton are not spending money on tarting up their seat of governance, they are investing in re-building their town centre because they know that open business brings in the money.

Its obvious that Bolton councillors have no idea, they should all be sacked, en bloc.
More money being spent on the Town Hall, another eatery, How much money do our Councillors think we all have to spend on dining out? Its the town centre that needs sorting out, all the empty shop, all the tatty business premises, the slums. Towns around Bolton are not spending money on tarting up their seat of governance, they are investing in re-building their town centre because they know that open business brings in the money. Its obvious that Bolton councillors have no idea, they should all be sacked, en bloc. breightmet kid
  • Score: 71

6:23am Thu 21 Aug 14

Chrome1 says...

£6.5 million includes the £6.25 million needed for consultants and designers. In the end it'll just be fancy signs directing you to the Octagon Cafe
£6.5 million includes the £6.25 million needed for consultants and designers. In the end it'll just be fancy signs directing you to the Octagon Cafe Chrome1
  • Score: 27

6:50am Thu 21 Aug 14

Marzi30 says...

Upmarket restaurant ? Are the Council in the real World ? We're still in the middle of a recession with Bolton one of the poorest deprived Towns in the UK, who has disposable income to dine out in an upmarket restaurant ?
Upmarket restaurant ? Are the Council in the real World ? We're still in the middle of a recession with Bolton one of the poorest deprived Towns in the UK, who has disposable income to dine out in an upmarket restaurant ? Marzi30
  • Score: 53

6:58am Thu 21 Aug 14

The Squire In Residence says...

Really? Come on, please. Whoever they 'consulted' over this needs to wake up and smell the coffee! The consultant for this 'high end restaurant and bar' must have a financial interest in the setup as others have tried exactly that in Bolton town centre and failed; Olive Press by Paul Heathcote to name but one. So what do the council think will make their ideas morre likely to succeed - especially when the town centre is the domain of the influx of our foreign/disadvantage
d/persecuted many, you know the ones, the ones drawn here for our extremely generous social security! Give me the money so that I can move - please?
Really? Come on, please. Whoever they 'consulted' over this needs to wake up and smell the coffee! The consultant for this 'high end restaurant and bar' must have a financial interest in the setup as others have tried exactly that in Bolton town centre and failed; Olive Press by Paul Heathcote to name but one. So what do the council think will make their ideas morre likely to succeed - especially when the town centre is the domain of the influx of our foreign/disadvantage d/persecuted many, you know the ones, the ones drawn here for our extremely generous social security! Give me the money so that I can move - please? The Squire In Residence
  • Score: 40

7:06am Thu 21 Aug 14

Nattynoo1 says...

Maybe the ridiculous amount of money scheduled to be spent on the town hall should be used to sort out the roads in and around the town centre! We pay our taxes for what? A high end restaurant is not going to benefit every person of Bolton is it? Apart from the HIGH end earners and not your average middle class worker. I think its pathetic what the council decide to spend tax payers monies on. The public should be able to have a say!
Maybe the ridiculous amount of money scheduled to be spent on the town hall should be used to sort out the roads in and around the town centre! We pay our taxes for what? A high end restaurant is not going to benefit every person of Bolton is it? Apart from the HIGH end earners and not your average middle class worker. I think its pathetic what the council decide to spend tax payers monies on. The public should be able to have a say! Nattynoo1
  • Score: 32

7:22am Thu 21 Aug 14

thomas222 says...

Could anyone give me one project in Bolton that has been a good decision when advised by Consultants who dont live in Bolton,have the Council a claw back clause where the moneys paid is returned if it fails as they usually do. Who are these Consultants and where can we check out their previous track record.
Could anyone give me one project in Bolton that has been a good decision when advised by Consultants who dont live in Bolton,have the Council a claw back clause where the moneys paid is returned if it fails as they usually do. Who are these Consultants and where can we check out their previous track record. thomas222
  • Score: 34

7:23am Thu 21 Aug 14

neashtall says...

Absolute joke. This smells of backhanders and old boys network. £6.5m on one building!
Bolton Town is an eyesore, falling to pieces and a dingy old place thats not nice to be part of. Look at Bury and Wigan, lovely looking towns, it's a pleasure to walk round and spend my money. Bolton town centre certainly doesn't draw me in and spend cash.
Useless governance by the council and yet again, waste of money and planning permission others an't get!
Corrupt!
Absolute joke. This smells of backhanders and old boys network. £6.5m on one building! Bolton Town is an eyesore, falling to pieces and a dingy old place thats not nice to be part of. Look at Bury and Wigan, lovely looking towns, it's a pleasure to walk round and spend my money. Bolton town centre certainly doesn't draw me in and spend cash. Useless governance by the council and yet again, waste of money and planning permission others an't get! Corrupt! neashtall
  • Score: 34

7:36am Thu 21 Aug 14

RazorofOccam says...

Unbelievable! Leave theatres and restaurants to the private sector and spend the money on proper Council functions. Clean the streets, put staff back in parks and fix potholes.
These vanity projects are short term and costly and in times of austerity Councils need to concentrate on their traditional responsibilities and create an environment in which others will want to invest.
Unbelievable! Leave theatres and restaurants to the private sector and spend the money on proper Council functions. Clean the streets, put staff back in parks and fix potholes. These vanity projects are short term and costly and in times of austerity Councils need to concentrate on their traditional responsibilities and create an environment in which others will want to invest. RazorofOccam
  • Score: 39

7:44am Thu 21 Aug 14

Balboa says...

1. Council's in-house architects need something to do;
2. Why are Council staff "consulted"? The town hall is an asset to the public, not their employees;
3. Who on earth would wish to sit out on the steps, looking out to bargain and charity shops? We can do this by eating a Greggs pasty and climbing on the lions!
4. There isn't an evening economy in the town, so there will be very few customers;
5. The restaurant will perhaps be run by Council staff, not a "proper" operator with exacting standards - the income will be used to offset under-performing departments;
6. The restaurant will close when the unions want to strike;
7. If the Council wishes for a multi-use building, then move to a new location. The Council does not NEED to operate from the centre of our town.

Ever see the film Trading Places, as he looks through the windows at the diners....?

This is just another example of Labour's inability to manage public funds sensibly. Goodness knows what will happen if Red Miliband is voted in.
1. Council's in-house architects need something to do; 2. Why are Council staff "consulted"? The town hall is an asset to the public, not their employees; 3. Who on earth would wish to sit out on the steps, looking out to bargain and charity shops? We can do this by eating a Greggs pasty and climbing on the lions! 4. There isn't an evening economy in the town, so there will be very few customers; 5. The restaurant will perhaps be run by Council staff, not a "proper" operator with exacting standards - the income will be used to offset under-performing departments; 6. The restaurant will close when the unions want to strike; 7. If the Council wishes for a multi-use building, then move to a new location. The Council does not NEED to operate from the centre of our town. Ever see the film Trading Places, as he looks through the windows at the diners....? This is just another example of Labour's inability to manage public funds sensibly. Goodness knows what will happen if Red Miliband is voted in. Balboa
  • Score: 15

7:54am Thu 21 Aug 14

thomas222 says...

Perhaps i have this wrong but i was under the impression local Councils to give what the people want and not what they want. Has anyone been asked what they think the 6.5 Million Pounds should be spent on ?. Big projects like this should be voted on by the people of the Town. Lets hope this is Labours final corrupt Swan Song.
Perhaps i have this wrong but i was under the impression local Councils to give what the people want and not what they want. Has anyone been asked what they think the 6.5 Million Pounds should be spent on ?. Big projects like this should be voted on by the people of the Town. Lets hope this is Labours final corrupt Swan Song. thomas222
  • Score: 15

8:16am Thu 21 Aug 14

Sharon Cunningham says...

Why must Bolton insist on ruining the Town even more another place to eat. Wow how many people are they expecting.Its Clothes shops we need haberdashery ,pot shops and bedding shops .We had it all in the Market hall.It would be more money well spent if Bolton Council stopped being so selfish and spent the 6.5 million on roads and pavements in the areas surrounding .Bolton.It was a real shame the Albert hall had to suffer in the fire.I don't think it was ever altered until then now they can't leave that alone .Whats happening to all our green land too .More houses no shops ?
Why must Bolton insist on ruining the Town even more another place to eat. Wow how many people are they expecting.Its Clothes shops we need haberdashery ,pot shops and bedding shops .We had it all in the Market hall.It would be more money well spent if Bolton Council stopped being so selfish and spent the 6.5 million on roads and pavements in the areas surrounding .Bolton.It was a real shame the Albert hall had to suffer in the fire.I don't think it was ever altered until then now they can't leave that alone .Whats happening to all our green land too .More houses no shops ? Sharon Cunningham
  • Score: 13

8:19am Thu 21 Aug 14

piszoff says...

Might as well leave them tents up, keep the masses dry during the long winter. Eat well my fat friends. Don't forget the Food Bin please donate.
Might as well leave them tents up, keep the masses dry during the long winter. Eat well my fat friends. Don't forget the Food Bin please donate. piszoff
  • Score: -1

8:25am Thu 21 Aug 14

Wolfie190 says...

The people of Bolton who comment on the Bolton news and all those on facebook havent a kind word to say about our local council and their utterly discredited planning department then they hit us with this nonsense at a cost of 6.5 million.

Is this a wind up or are they really that out of touch with reality and the people of Bolton ?

We need to tighten our belts and prioritise where our money is spent not wasted.

This is a joke it has to be.
The people of Bolton who comment on the Bolton news and all those on facebook havent a kind word to say about our local council and their utterly discredited planning department then they hit us with this nonsense at a cost of 6.5 million. Is this a wind up or are they really that out of touch with reality and the people of Bolton ? We need to tighten our belts and prioritise where our money is spent not wasted. This is a joke it has to be. Wolfie190
  • Score: 29

9:16am Thu 21 Aug 14

IvanCamposHair says...

neashtall wrote:
Absolute joke. This smells of backhanders and old boys network. £6.5m on one building!
Bolton Town is an eyesore, falling to pieces and a dingy old place thats not nice to be part of. Look at Bury and Wigan, lovely looking towns, it's a pleasure to walk round and spend my money. Bolton town centre certainly doesn't draw me in and spend cash.
Useless governance by the council and yet again, waste of money and planning permission others an't get!
Corrupt!
The Bolton and District Moaning Society are out in force today.

The Town Hall is an eyesore now? Seriously some people talk rubbish.

The Town Centre has some ugly ar*e buildings but the Town Hall is not one of them.
[quote][p][bold]neashtall[/bold] wrote: Absolute joke. This smells of backhanders and old boys network. £6.5m on one building! Bolton Town is an eyesore, falling to pieces and a dingy old place thats not nice to be part of. Look at Bury and Wigan, lovely looking towns, it's a pleasure to walk round and spend my money. Bolton town centre certainly doesn't draw me in and spend cash. Useless governance by the council and yet again, waste of money and planning permission others an't get! Corrupt![/p][/quote]The Bolton and District Moaning Society are out in force today. The Town Hall is an eyesore now? Seriously some people talk rubbish. The Town Centre has some ugly ar*e buildings but the Town Hall is not one of them. IvanCamposHair
  • Score: 18

9:18am Thu 21 Aug 14

IvanCamposHair says...

I doubt much Council tax money is being spent anyway. The Albert Halls makes money from shows and hiring out the halls.

The better facilities it has, the better acts it will attract, which draws people to the town.

If they can attract more than pantos and tribute acts to the town and get more big name comedians for example, then it will be money quite well spent.
I doubt much Council tax money is being spent anyway. The Albert Halls makes money from shows and hiring out the halls. The better facilities it has, the better acts it will attract, which draws people to the town. If they can attract more than pantos and tribute acts to the town and get more big name comedians for example, then it will be money quite well spent. IvanCamposHair
  • Score: 16

9:22am Thu 21 Aug 14

IvanCamposHair says...

Sharon Cunningham wrote:
Why must Bolton insist on ruining the Town even more another place to eat. Wow how many people are they expecting.Its Clothes shops we need haberdashery ,pot shops and bedding shops .We had it all in the Market hall.It would be more money well spent if Bolton Council stopped being so selfish and spent the 6.5 million on roads and pavements in the areas surrounding .Bolton.It was a real shame the Albert hall had to suffer in the fire.I don't think it was ever altered until then now they can't leave that alone .Whats happening to all our green land too .More houses no shops ?
Yeah I will be rushing to Bolton to buy my haberdashery and bedding. Got to get that haberdashery and bedding from Bolton, it's the best!

Town Centres as places to shop are dying all over the country, more food places, coffee shops and bars is what is needed, as well as entertainment like gig venues, comedy clubs etc.
[quote][p][bold]Sharon Cunningham[/bold] wrote: Why must Bolton insist on ruining the Town even more another place to eat. Wow how many people are they expecting.Its Clothes shops we need haberdashery ,pot shops and bedding shops .We had it all in the Market hall.It would be more money well spent if Bolton Council stopped being so selfish and spent the 6.5 million on roads and pavements in the areas surrounding .Bolton.It was a real shame the Albert hall had to suffer in the fire.I don't think it was ever altered until then now they can't leave that alone .Whats happening to all our green land too .More houses no shops ?[/p][/quote]Yeah I will be rushing to Bolton to buy my haberdashery and bedding. Got to get that haberdashery and bedding from Bolton, it's the best! Town Centres as places to shop are dying all over the country, more food places, coffee shops and bars is what is needed, as well as entertainment like gig venues, comedy clubs etc. IvanCamposHair
  • Score: 15

9:33am Thu 21 Aug 14

thomas222 says...

IvanCamposHair wrote:
Sharon Cunningham wrote:
Why must Bolton insist on ruining the Town even more another place to eat. Wow how many people are they expecting.Its Clothes shops we need haberdashery ,pot shops and bedding shops .We had it all in the Market hall.It would be more money well spent if Bolton Council stopped being so selfish and spent the 6.5 million on roads and pavements in the areas surrounding .Bolton.It was a real shame the Albert hall had to suffer in the fire.I don't think it was ever altered until then now they can't leave that alone .Whats happening to all our green land too .More houses no shops ?
Yeah I will be rushing to Bolton to buy my haberdashery and bedding. Got to get that haberdashery and bedding from Bolton, it's the best!

Town Centres as places to shop are dying all over the country, more food places, coffee shops and bars is what is needed, as well as entertainment like gig venues, comedy clubs etc.
Oh ill just nip in Town and have a Coffee..
Oh ill just nip in Town and have a quick pint...
Oh ill just nip in Town for a butty....

What do you think brings people into Town so they use these services. The ones above or real shops to attract them into Town ?

Perhaps you should open the Comedy club your a Comedian..
[quote][p][bold]IvanCamposHair[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sharon Cunningham[/bold] wrote: Why must Bolton insist on ruining the Town even more another place to eat. Wow how many people are they expecting.Its Clothes shops we need haberdashery ,pot shops and bedding shops .We had it all in the Market hall.It would be more money well spent if Bolton Council stopped being so selfish and spent the 6.5 million on roads and pavements in the areas surrounding .Bolton.It was a real shame the Albert hall had to suffer in the fire.I don't think it was ever altered until then now they can't leave that alone .Whats happening to all our green land too .More houses no shops ?[/p][/quote]Yeah I will be rushing to Bolton to buy my haberdashery and bedding. Got to get that haberdashery and bedding from Bolton, it's the best! Town Centres as places to shop are dying all over the country, more food places, coffee shops and bars is what is needed, as well as entertainment like gig venues, comedy clubs etc.[/p][/quote]Oh ill just nip in Town and have a Coffee.. Oh ill just nip in Town and have a quick pint... Oh ill just nip in Town for a butty.... What do you think brings people into Town so they use these services. The ones above or real shops to attract them into Town ? Perhaps you should open the Comedy club your a Comedian.. thomas222
  • Score: -6

9:35am Thu 21 Aug 14

Tim Burr says...

The Bolton and District Moaning Society - well said Ivan.

The neanderthals who comment on here forever moaning should consider giving up their taxpayer funded housing and moving out of our Town as they clearly have nothing constructive or positive to say.
The Bolton and District Moaning Society - well said Ivan. The neanderthals who comment on here forever moaning should consider giving up their taxpayer funded housing and moving out of our Town as they clearly have nothing constructive or positive to say. Tim Burr
  • Score: -6

9:41am Thu 21 Aug 14

Wolfie190 says...

IvanCamposHair wrote:
neashtall wrote:
Absolute joke. This smells of backhanders and old boys network. £6.5m on one building!
Bolton Town is an eyesore, falling to pieces and a dingy old place thats not nice to be part of. Look at Bury and Wigan, lovely looking towns, it's a pleasure to walk round and spend my money. Bolton town centre certainly doesn't draw me in and spend cash.
Useless governance by the council and yet again, waste of money and planning permission others an't get!
Corrupt!
The Bolton and District Moaning Society are out in force today.

The Town Hall is an eyesore now? Seriously some people talk rubbish.

The Town Centre has some ugly ar*e buildings but the Town Hall is not one of them.
Is this another of Righteous ones new usernames and who mentioned the town hall is an eyesore ?

6.5 million!!!! on this nonsense = A kick in the teeth for struggling Bolton people.
[quote][p][bold]IvanCamposHair[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]neashtall[/bold] wrote: Absolute joke. This smells of backhanders and old boys network. £6.5m on one building! Bolton Town is an eyesore, falling to pieces and a dingy old place thats not nice to be part of. Look at Bury and Wigan, lovely looking towns, it's a pleasure to walk round and spend my money. Bolton town centre certainly doesn't draw me in and spend cash. Useless governance by the council and yet again, waste of money and planning permission others an't get! Corrupt![/p][/quote]The Bolton and District Moaning Society are out in force today. The Town Hall is an eyesore now? Seriously some people talk rubbish. The Town Centre has some ugly ar*e buildings but the Town Hall is not one of them.[/p][/quote]Is this another of Righteous ones new usernames and who mentioned the town hall is an eyesore ? 6.5 million!!!! on this nonsense = A kick in the teeth for struggling Bolton people. Wolfie190
  • Score: 10

9:42am Thu 21 Aug 14

thomas222 says...

Tim Burr wrote:
The Bolton and District Moaning Society - well said Ivan.

The neanderthals who comment on here forever moaning should consider giving up their taxpayer funded housing and moving out of our Town as they clearly have nothing constructive or positive to say.
Our Town ?... Who are the" Our" i wonder?
[quote][p][bold]Tim Burr[/bold] wrote: The Bolton and District Moaning Society - well said Ivan. The neanderthals who comment on here forever moaning should consider giving up their taxpayer funded housing and moving out of our Town as they clearly have nothing constructive or positive to say.[/p][/quote]Our Town ?... Who are the" Our" i wonder? thomas222
  • Score: 7

9:46am Thu 21 Aug 14

Tim Burr says...

Thomas222 - the patriot who lived and worked abroad for over 20 years returned to spend all day complaining about our Town and country. Is Bolton really the place where elephants return to die?
Thomas222 - the patriot who lived and worked abroad for over 20 years returned to spend all day complaining about our Town and country. Is Bolton really the place where elephants return to die? Tim Burr
  • Score: -5

9:52am Thu 21 Aug 14

thomas222 says...

Tim Burr wrote:
Thomas222 - the patriot who lived and worked abroad for over 20 years returned to spend all day complaining about our Town and country. Is Bolton really the place where elephants return to die?
Changing the thread again to avoid the question Tim. Who are the " Our Town" people Tim ?. Has your mask slipped Tim.
[quote][p][bold]Tim Burr[/bold] wrote: Thomas222 - the patriot who lived and worked abroad for over 20 years returned to spend all day complaining about our Town and country. Is Bolton really the place where elephants return to die?[/p][/quote]Changing the thread again to avoid the question Tim. Who are the " Our Town" people Tim ?. Has your mask slipped Tim. thomas222
  • Score: 6

9:56am Thu 21 Aug 14

Tim Burr says...

thomas222 wrote:
Tim Burr wrote:
Thomas222 - the patriot who lived and worked abroad for over 20 years returned to spend all day complaining about our Town and country. Is Bolton really the place where elephants return to die?
Changing the thread again to avoid the question Tim. Who are the " Our Town" people Tim ?. Has your mask slipped Tim.
You're really quite mad Thomas., I hope you've paid into our system and not scrounging from us in our town.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tim Burr[/bold] wrote: Thomas222 - the patriot who lived and worked abroad for over 20 years returned to spend all day complaining about our Town and country. Is Bolton really the place where elephants return to die?[/p][/quote]Changing the thread again to avoid the question Tim. Who are the " Our Town" people Tim ?. Has your mask slipped Tim.[/p][/quote]You're really quite mad Thomas., I hope you've paid into our system and not scrounging from us in our town. Tim Burr
  • Score: -7

9:58am Thu 21 Aug 14

Endoxa says...

Whether or not this scheme is a good idea is a moot point; the issue is whether we can afford it at this particular time. Not many people can even afford to go and see a show and use an 'upmarket' restaurant, but lots of people would appreciate the roads and pavements fixing, weeds being cleared, etc. (Not to mention more frivolous things like better care for the elderly). This is exactly the sort of irresponsible spending that got the Labour party a bad name (together with their incessant political correctness) and will have voters defecting in their droves. What incompetence.
Whether or not this scheme is a good idea is a moot point; the issue is whether we can afford it at this particular time. Not many people can even afford to go and see a show and use an 'upmarket' restaurant, but lots of people would appreciate the roads and pavements fixing, weeds being cleared, etc. (Not to mention more frivolous things like better care for the elderly). This is exactly the sort of irresponsible spending that got the Labour party a bad name (together with their incessant political correctness) and will have voters defecting in their droves. What incompetence. Endoxa
  • Score: 15

9:59am Thu 21 Aug 14

thomas222 says...

Tim Burr wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Tim Burr wrote:
Thomas222 - the patriot who lived and worked abroad for over 20 years returned to spend all day complaining about our Town and country. Is Bolton really the place where elephants return to die?
Changing the thread again to avoid the question Tim. Who are the " Our Town" people Tim ?. Has your mask slipped Tim.
You're really quite mad Thomas., I hope you've paid into our system and not scrounging from us in our town.
When you live away for a long time and come back it shows much more how it has changed if that makes sense. I see things people dont see because they have had it imposed on them over years. I havnt the place is a disgrace.
Ps. Clipped wings time old boy. ; )
[quote][p][bold]Tim Burr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tim Burr[/bold] wrote: Thomas222 - the patriot who lived and worked abroad for over 20 years returned to spend all day complaining about our Town and country. Is Bolton really the place where elephants return to die?[/p][/quote]Changing the thread again to avoid the question Tim. Who are the " Our Town" people Tim ?. Has your mask slipped Tim.[/p][/quote]You're really quite mad Thomas., I hope you've paid into our system and not scrounging from us in our town.[/p][/quote]When you live away for a long time and come back it shows much more how it has changed if that makes sense. I see things people dont see because they have had it imposed on them over years. I havnt the place is a disgrace. Ps. Clipped wings time old boy. ; ) thomas222
  • Score: 5

10:02am Thu 21 Aug 14

Tim Burr says...

thomas222 wrote:
Tim Burr wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Tim Burr wrote:
Thomas222 - the patriot who lived and worked abroad for over 20 years returned to spend all day complaining about our Town and country. Is Bolton really the place where elephants return to die?
Changing the thread again to avoid the question Tim. Who are the " Our Town" people Tim ?. Has your mask slipped Tim.
You're really quite mad Thomas., I hope you've paid into our system and not scrounging from us in our town.
When you live away for a long time and come back it shows much more how it has changed if that makes sense. I see things people dont see because they have had it imposed on them over years. I havnt the place is a disgrace.
Ps. Clipped wings time old boy. ; )
So Bolton is the place where elephants return to die.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tim Burr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tim Burr[/bold] wrote: Thomas222 - the patriot who lived and worked abroad for over 20 years returned to spend all day complaining about our Town and country. Is Bolton really the place where elephants return to die?[/p][/quote]Changing the thread again to avoid the question Tim. Who are the " Our Town" people Tim ?. Has your mask slipped Tim.[/p][/quote]You're really quite mad Thomas., I hope you've paid into our system and not scrounging from us in our town.[/p][/quote]When you live away for a long time and come back it shows much more how it has changed if that makes sense. I see things people dont see because they have had it imposed on them over years. I havnt the place is a disgrace. Ps. Clipped wings time old boy. ; )[/p][/quote]So Bolton is the place where elephants return to die. Tim Burr
  • Score: -7

10:13am Thu 21 Aug 14

thomas222 says...

Tim Burr wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Tim Burr wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Tim Burr wrote:
Thomas222 - the patriot who lived and worked abroad for over 20 years returned to spend all day complaining about our Town and country. Is Bolton really the place where elephants return to die?
Changing the thread again to avoid the question Tim. Who are the " Our Town" people Tim ?. Has your mask slipped Tim.
You're really quite mad Thomas., I hope you've paid into our system and not scrounging from us in our town.
When you live away for a long time and come back it shows much more how it has changed if that makes sense. I see things people dont see because they have had it imposed on them over years. I havnt the place is a disgrace.
Ps. Clipped wings time old boy. ; )
So Bolton is the place where elephants return to die.
Elephants do Tim your correct, i also did because its where my Ancestors over hundreds of years lie.Where would you class as home when you die Tim?
[quote][p][bold]Tim Burr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tim Burr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tim Burr[/bold] wrote: Thomas222 - the patriot who lived and worked abroad for over 20 years returned to spend all day complaining about our Town and country. Is Bolton really the place where elephants return to die?[/p][/quote]Changing the thread again to avoid the question Tim. Who are the " Our Town" people Tim ?. Has your mask slipped Tim.[/p][/quote]You're really quite mad Thomas., I hope you've paid into our system and not scrounging from us in our town.[/p][/quote]When you live away for a long time and come back it shows much more how it has changed if that makes sense. I see things people dont see because they have had it imposed on them over years. I havnt the place is a disgrace. Ps. Clipped wings time old boy. ; )[/p][/quote]So Bolton is the place where elephants return to die.[/p][/quote]Elephants do Tim your correct, i also did because its where my Ancestors over hundreds of years lie.Where would you class as home when you die Tim? thomas222
  • Score: 6

10:14am Thu 21 Aug 14

Tim Burr says...

Paradise.
Paradise. Tim Burr
  • Score: -9

10:23am Thu 21 Aug 14

Ernagy2 says...

thomas222 wrote:
IvanCamposHair wrote:
Sharon Cunningham wrote:
Why must Bolton insist on ruining the Town even more another place to eat. Wow how many people are they expecting.Its Clothes shops we need haberdashery ,pot shops and bedding shops .We had it all in the Market hall.It would be more money well spent if Bolton Council stopped being so selfish and spent the 6.5 million on roads and pavements in the areas surrounding .Bolton.It was a real shame the Albert hall had to suffer in the fire.I don't think it was ever altered until then now they can't leave that alone .Whats happening to all our green land too .More houses no shops ?
Yeah I will be rushing to Bolton to buy my haberdashery and bedding. Got to get that haberdashery and bedding from Bolton, it's the best!

Town Centres as places to shop are dying all over the country, more food places, coffee shops and bars is what is needed, as well as entertainment like gig venues, comedy clubs etc.
Oh ill just nip in Town and have a Coffee..
Oh ill just nip in Town and have a quick pint...
Oh ill just nip in Town for a butty....

What do you think brings people into Town so they use these services. The ones above or real shops to attract them into Town ?

Perhaps you should open the Comedy club your a Comedian..
Night time entertainment is needed just as much as shops. Bolton needs to be busy all hours of the day not just from 9-5.

The days of shopping are over, if you've noticed people are shopping on line, so Towns have to give more reasons for coming in than in the past. The council offer £20,000 grants to start a business. A few haberdasheries and bedding shops won't make a lot of difference.

I hope people have noticed that are student population is growing - big users of the night time economy, so more emphasis needs to be put on that. There needs to be more going on from 5pm until 9pm.

I do agree that removing the stalls in the Market Hall was one of the worst decisions in living memory and has wasted a lot of space in that building.

Have you noticed however how nothing actually happens. The Planning Department seem to put up proposals which never happen. Do the planning Department get paid on a job lot basis for coming up with ideas? If they were paid on results - they'd never get paid.

Look at the 'new' bus station. We demolished all those buildings six months ago and what has actually taken place? There have been proposals to improve Churchgate - a proposal for a marina - yes a marina (don't fall over laughing), proposals to transform Knowsley street - a hotel where the Odeon once stood. In fact so many proposals the place is drowning in 'proposals'. Remind me where did that Hotel go that was to replace the Odeon/Bingo hall?

However when it comes to reality nothing ever gets done.

I wondering where all the money goes as the Labour Council say we've got money ear marked for the Town Hall, money ear marked for Bradshawgate and Churchgate and Knowsley street. There must be at least £50 million earmarked to transform Bolton Town centre, yet we haven't seen a penny spent. Strange that?

Oh and when occasionally (and it is very occasionally) these projects are built they're a cut down version of what is proposed. They look nothing like the drawing and the lavish plans.

I welcome any development, but, I don't see the point of announcing plans that seemingly you have no intention of following through on.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IvanCamposHair[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sharon Cunningham[/bold] wrote: Why must Bolton insist on ruining the Town even more another place to eat. Wow how many people are they expecting.Its Clothes shops we need haberdashery ,pot shops and bedding shops .We had it all in the Market hall.It would be more money well spent if Bolton Council stopped being so selfish and spent the 6.5 million on roads and pavements in the areas surrounding .Bolton.It was a real shame the Albert hall had to suffer in the fire.I don't think it was ever altered until then now they can't leave that alone .Whats happening to all our green land too .More houses no shops ?[/p][/quote]Yeah I will be rushing to Bolton to buy my haberdashery and bedding. Got to get that haberdashery and bedding from Bolton, it's the best! Town Centres as places to shop are dying all over the country, more food places, coffee shops and bars is what is needed, as well as entertainment like gig venues, comedy clubs etc.[/p][/quote]Oh ill just nip in Town and have a Coffee.. Oh ill just nip in Town and have a quick pint... Oh ill just nip in Town for a butty.... What do you think brings people into Town so they use these services. The ones above or real shops to attract them into Town ? Perhaps you should open the Comedy club your a Comedian..[/p][/quote]Night time entertainment is needed just as much as shops. Bolton needs to be busy all hours of the day not just from 9-5. The days of shopping are over, if you've noticed people are shopping on line, so Towns have to give more reasons for coming in than in the past. The council offer £20,000 grants to start a business. A few haberdasheries and bedding shops won't make a lot of difference. I hope people have noticed that are student population is growing - big users of the night time economy, so more emphasis needs to be put on that. There needs to be more going on from 5pm until 9pm. I do agree that removing the stalls in the Market Hall was one of the worst decisions in living memory and has wasted a lot of space in that building. Have you noticed however how nothing actually happens. The Planning Department seem to put up proposals which never happen. Do the planning Department get paid on a job lot basis for coming up with ideas? If they were paid on results - they'd never get paid. Look at the 'new' bus station. We demolished all those buildings six months ago and what has actually taken place? There have been proposals to improve Churchgate - a proposal for a marina - yes a marina (don't fall over laughing), proposals to transform Knowsley street - a hotel where the Odeon once stood. In fact so many proposals the place is drowning in 'proposals'. Remind me where did that Hotel go that was to replace the Odeon/Bingo hall? However when it comes to reality nothing ever gets done. I wondering where all the money goes as the Labour Council say we've got money ear marked for the Town Hall, money ear marked for Bradshawgate and Churchgate and Knowsley street. There must be at least £50 million earmarked to transform Bolton Town centre, yet we haven't seen a penny spent. Strange that? Oh and when occasionally (and it is very occasionally) these projects are built they're a cut down version of what is proposed. They look nothing like the drawing and the lavish plans. I welcome any development, but, I don't see the point of announcing plans that seemingly you have no intention of following through on. Ernagy2
  • Score: 15

10:27am Thu 21 Aug 14

IvanCamposHair says...

thomas222 wrote:
IvanCamposHair wrote:
Sharon Cunningham wrote:
Why must Bolton insist on ruining the Town even more another place to eat. Wow how many people are they expecting.Its Clothes shops we need haberdashery ,pot shops and bedding shops .We had it all in the Market hall.It would be more money well spent if Bolton Council stopped being so selfish and spent the 6.5 million on roads and pavements in the areas surrounding .Bolton.It was a real shame the Albert hall had to suffer in the fire.I don't think it was ever altered until then now they can't leave that alone .Whats happening to all our green land too .More houses no shops ?
Yeah I will be rushing to Bolton to buy my haberdashery and bedding. Got to get that haberdashery and bedding from Bolton, it's the best!

Town Centres as places to shop are dying all over the country, more food places, coffee shops and bars is what is needed, as well as entertainment like gig venues, comedy clubs etc.
Oh ill just nip in Town and have a Coffee..
Oh ill just nip in Town and have a quick pint...
Oh ill just nip in Town for a butty....

What do you think brings people into Town so they use these services. The ones above or real shops to attract them into Town ?

Perhaps you should open the Comedy club your a Comedian..
I am really glad you are not running this town. People are attracting by events and 'places to go'. It is not about shops versus bars, it is a combination of those things. Bolton needs to develop an interchangable economy which combines shopping with other leisure, such as cinemas, gigs etc.

Seriously deluded if people would not think, let's go into town get a coffee/pint then go watch a film/show/comedian if the offer was there. I certainly would because I would prefer not to have to trek to Manchester every weekend to get most of those things.

You criticise Bolton Council but you are completely small time when it comes to your view of the town.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IvanCamposHair[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sharon Cunningham[/bold] wrote: Why must Bolton insist on ruining the Town even more another place to eat. Wow how many people are they expecting.Its Clothes shops we need haberdashery ,pot shops and bedding shops .We had it all in the Market hall.It would be more money well spent if Bolton Council stopped being so selfish and spent the 6.5 million on roads and pavements in the areas surrounding .Bolton.It was a real shame the Albert hall had to suffer in the fire.I don't think it was ever altered until then now they can't leave that alone .Whats happening to all our green land too .More houses no shops ?[/p][/quote]Yeah I will be rushing to Bolton to buy my haberdashery and bedding. Got to get that haberdashery and bedding from Bolton, it's the best! Town Centres as places to shop are dying all over the country, more food places, coffee shops and bars is what is needed, as well as entertainment like gig venues, comedy clubs etc.[/p][/quote]Oh ill just nip in Town and have a Coffee.. Oh ill just nip in Town and have a quick pint... Oh ill just nip in Town for a butty.... What do you think brings people into Town so they use these services. The ones above or real shops to attract them into Town ? Perhaps you should open the Comedy club your a Comedian..[/p][/quote]I am really glad you are not running this town. People are attracting by events and 'places to go'. It is not about shops versus bars, it is a combination of those things. Bolton needs to develop an interchangable economy which combines shopping with other leisure, such as cinemas, gigs etc. Seriously deluded if people would not think, let's go into town get a coffee/pint then go watch a film/show/comedian if the offer was there. I certainly would because I would prefer not to have to trek to Manchester every weekend to get most of those things. You criticise Bolton Council but you are completely small time when it comes to your view of the town. IvanCamposHair
  • Score: 1

10:27am Thu 21 Aug 14

Don Kiddick says...

Old f a r t s with old f a r t mentality - they have no idea of what the world is, they really haven't.

Another glass palace folly instead of something exciting and enticing. Starbucks et al aren't new anymore, they've had their day but there's mo vision from the town hall.

If the council are fat old men and women then they will see the world through the the eyes of fat old men and women. That is all they know and all they'll ever know. The world has been changed by youth with fresh ideas and concepts, not by stale old plumpers still wearing BHS underwear.
Old f a r t s with old f a r t mentality - they have no idea of what the world is, they really haven't. Another glass palace folly instead of something exciting and enticing. Starbucks et al aren't new anymore, they've had their day but there's mo vision from the town hall. If the council are fat old men and women then they will see the world through the the eyes of fat old men and women. That is all they know and all they'll ever know. The world has been changed by youth with fresh ideas and concepts, not by stale old plumpers still wearing BHS underwear. Don Kiddick
  • Score: -4

10:58am Thu 21 Aug 14

thomas222 says...

Tim Burr wrote:
Paradise.
It does not exist Tim we have found this out over the last 1500 yrs, we came from space dust and water to where we are now and we will go back to space dust when we die. Cant believe people are so stupid to believe we came from God and will go to Paradise because Man made books tell us so. Koran and the Bible being two.
Bolton will win the premier next year a Man told me, think ill put a grand on it. Want in ; )
[quote][p][bold]Tim Burr[/bold] wrote: Paradise.[/p][/quote]It does not exist Tim we have found this out over the last 1500 yrs, we came from space dust and water to where we are now and we will go back to space dust when we die. Cant believe people are so stupid to believe we came from God and will go to Paradise because Man made books tell us so. Koran and the Bible being two. Bolton will win the premier next year a Man told me, think ill put a grand on it. Want in ; ) thomas222
  • Score: 6

10:59am Thu 21 Aug 14

escapedfromsmithills says...

The artists impression looks brilliant. You need a radical designer and, when you look at the picture, you've got one. Who else would think of bringing the Albert halls down to 15 feet high (getting rid of that grey, boring, Victorian stuff) and levelling the surrounding area - not before time I say. I hope they put the spoil stone from the works to good use and fill up the many potholes around the town bonded with all the chewing gum from the paving in Newport Street

Not only that, but also all the council offices inside are al fresco, natural daylight from above, and you can see what those apparatchiks are upto - Hip Hooray for open Government!

On a serious note - The town centre is like the dead parrot - it has ceased to be. So this revamp largely ignores the rot of the surrounding area and vacuum in town centre policy. My observations is that the daytime visitors to the town centre are people who walk there. if you have a car you go elsewhere to shop and dine. The people who walk into town are a from many cultural and social backgrounds and ages - but they have one thing in common - they have no money. You see them every day along Newport Street, Crompton place - just hanging around or pawning stuff to buy their next Greggs. You cant have a thriving town centre with no money. The night time visitors of Bolton are simply drunks. People of means shun the town because there are better, cleaner, places out of town. Places where you can park for free, enjoy the area and relax..and spend. An upmarket restaurant in the TH with the mess that is the town centre around it, is as useful in regenerating the town centre as polishing a t*rd
The artists impression looks brilliant. You need a radical designer and, when you look at the picture, you've got one. Who else would think of bringing the Albert halls down to 15 feet high (getting rid of that grey, boring, Victorian stuff) and levelling the surrounding area - not before time I say. I hope they put the spoil stone from the works to good use and fill up the many potholes around the town bonded with all the chewing gum from the paving in Newport Street Not only that, but also all the council offices inside are al fresco, natural daylight from above, and you can see what those apparatchiks are upto - Hip Hooray for open Government! On a serious note - The town centre is like the dead parrot - it has ceased to be. So this revamp largely ignores the rot of the surrounding area and vacuum in town centre policy. My observations is that the daytime visitors to the town centre are people who walk there. if you have a car you go elsewhere to shop and dine. The people who walk into town are a from many cultural and social backgrounds and ages - but they have one thing in common - they have no money. You see them every day along Newport Street, Crompton place - just hanging around or pawning stuff to buy their next Greggs. You cant have a thriving town centre with no money. The night time visitors of Bolton are simply drunks. People of means shun the town because there are better, cleaner, places out of town. Places where you can park for free, enjoy the area and relax..and spend. An upmarket restaurant in the TH with the mess that is the town centre around it, is as useful in regenerating the town centre as polishing a t*rd escapedfromsmithills
  • Score: 15

11:04am Thu 21 Aug 14

LordLeverhulme says...

Enargy2 makes some good points.
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I'm surprised the BN has not done some digging about the progress of the new bus station. Like Enargy said.. they demolished all the old buildings about a year ago now.. since then nothing has happened.
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As for the town hall eaterie.. I'm sure it will be a great success. Like when they spent £4M turning our smelly dirty cold old market into a smelly dirty cold old market with a new roof.
Enargy2 makes some good points. . I'm surprised the BN has not done some digging about the progress of the new bus station. Like Enargy said.. they demolished all the old buildings about a year ago now.. since then nothing has happened. . As for the town hall eaterie.. I'm sure it will be a great success. Like when they spent £4M turning our smelly dirty cold old market into a smelly dirty cold old market with a new roof. LordLeverhulme
  • Score: 13

11:09am Thu 21 Aug 14

Terry McC says...

I would say its 90% against and 10% in favor so that's it then the council will go ahead and listen to the voice of its people once again think a few councilors need their bank balances checked out mmmmm
I would say its 90% against and 10% in favor so that's it then the council will go ahead and listen to the voice of its people once again think a few councilors need their bank balances checked out mmmmm Terry McC
  • Score: 8

11:35am Thu 21 Aug 14

IvanCamposHair says...

LordLeverhulme wrote:
Enargy2 makes some good points.
.
I'm surprised the BN has not done some digging about the progress of the new bus station. Like Enargy said.. they demolished all the old buildings about a year ago now.. since then nothing has happened.
.
As for the town hall eaterie.. I'm sure it will be a great success. Like when they spent £4M turning our smelly dirty cold old market into a smelly dirty cold old market with a new roof.
Apart from the fact that the market now houses some of Bolton's most successful & innovative businesses such as Nkono and Great Ale Year.

If you decided to open your eyes, stop being negative and enjoy yourself a little you might notice them.
[quote][p][bold]LordLeverhulme[/bold] wrote: Enargy2 makes some good points. . I'm surprised the BN has not done some digging about the progress of the new bus station. Like Enargy said.. they demolished all the old buildings about a year ago now.. since then nothing has happened. . As for the town hall eaterie.. I'm sure it will be a great success. Like when they spent £4M turning our smelly dirty cold old market into a smelly dirty cold old market with a new roof.[/p][/quote]Apart from the fact that the market now houses some of Bolton's most successful & innovative businesses such as Nkono and Great Ale Year. If you decided to open your eyes, stop being negative and enjoy yourself a little you might notice them. IvanCamposHair
  • Score: 0

11:54am Thu 21 Aug 14

LordLeverhulme says...

IvanCamposHair wrote:
LordLeverhulme wrote: Enargy2 makes some good points. . I'm surprised the BN has not done some digging about the progress of the new bus station. Like Enargy said.. they demolished all the old buildings about a year ago now.. since then nothing has happened. . As for the town hall eaterie.. I'm sure it will be a great success. Like when they spent £4M turning our smelly dirty cold old market into a smelly dirty cold old market with a new roof.
Apart from the fact that the market now houses some of Bolton's most successful & innovative businesses such as Nkono and Great Ale Year. If you decided to open your eyes, stop being negative and enjoy yourself a little you might notice them.
Haha. Nice one.
Are they still open then? Amazing if true.
[quote][p][bold]IvanCamposHair[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LordLeverhulme[/bold] wrote: Enargy2 makes some good points. . I'm surprised the BN has not done some digging about the progress of the new bus station. Like Enargy said.. they demolished all the old buildings about a year ago now.. since then nothing has happened. . As for the town hall eaterie.. I'm sure it will be a great success. Like when they spent £4M turning our smelly dirty cold old market into a smelly dirty cold old market with a new roof.[/p][/quote]Apart from the fact that the market now houses some of Bolton's most successful & innovative businesses such as Nkono and Great Ale Year. If you decided to open your eyes, stop being negative and enjoy yourself a little you might notice them.[/p][/quote]Haha. Nice one. Are they still open then? Amazing if true. LordLeverhulme
  • Score: 4

12:11pm Thu 21 Aug 14

taff ray davies says...

£6.5 million could be better spent
£6.5 million could be better spent taff ray davies
  • Score: 7

12:11pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Donkey Stone says...

Marzi30 wrote:
Upmarket restaurant ? Are the Council in the real World ? We're still in the middle of a recession with Bolton one of the poorest deprived Towns in the UK, who has disposable income to dine out in an upmarket restaurant ?
The councillors will use it and guess who will pay?
[quote][p][bold]Marzi30[/bold] wrote: Upmarket restaurant ? Are the Council in the real World ? We're still in the middle of a recession with Bolton one of the poorest deprived Towns in the UK, who has disposable income to dine out in an upmarket restaurant ?[/p][/quote]The councillors will use it and guess who will pay? Donkey Stone
  • Score: 8

12:22pm Thu 21 Aug 14

johnnykilroy4 says...

That won't bring people in to visit this town what a waste of money other businesses are folding and Bolton council are doing stuff like this ? There's a old saying build it and they will come ? Sorry not in Bolton.
That won't bring people in to visit this town what a waste of money other businesses are folding and Bolton council are doing stuff like this ? There's a old saying build it and they will come ? Sorry not in Bolton. johnnykilroy4
  • Score: 6

12:54pm Thu 21 Aug 14

breightmet kid says...

We have just had the local elections and the same people have been voted into power. What do you expect, at least they are running true to form.

What Bolton needs is a brand new council, all brand new councillors, then we might get some real sensible decisions and action.

No good voting for the big political parties, what we need is an all independent council headed by a very strong leader. All the chief officers should also be Boltonians and live within the boundaries of the town. Only then will we get a town we all need and deserve.

Does anyone remember the palaces and seats of governance in the old Romania, places lined in gold, whilst the ordinary people lived like serfs, well what's happening in Bolton is exactly the same thing.
We have just had the local elections and the same people have been voted into power. What do you expect, at least they are running true to form. What Bolton needs is a brand new council, all brand new councillors, then we might get some real sensible decisions and action. No good voting for the big political parties, what we need is an all independent council headed by a very strong leader. All the chief officers should also be Boltonians and live within the boundaries of the town. Only then will we get a town we all need and deserve. Does anyone remember the palaces and seats of governance in the old Romania, places lined in gold, whilst the ordinary people lived like serfs, well what's happening in Bolton is exactly the same thing. breightmet kid
  • Score: 6

12:58pm Thu 21 Aug 14

nigella farrage says...

thomas222 wrote:
IvanCamposHair wrote:
Sharon Cunningham wrote:
Why must Bolton insist on ruining the Town even more another place to eat. Wow how many people are they expecting.Its Clothes shops we need haberdashery ,pot shops and bedding shops .We had it all in the Market hall.It would be more money well spent if Bolton Council stopped being so selfish and spent the 6.5 million on roads and pavements in the areas surrounding .Bolton.It was a real shame the Albert hall had to suffer in the fire.I don't think it was ever altered until then now they can't leave that alone .Whats happening to all our green land too .More houses no shops ?
Yeah I will be rushing to Bolton to buy my haberdashery and bedding. Got to get that haberdashery and bedding from Bolton, it's the best!

Town Centres as places to shop are dying all over the country, more food places, coffee shops and bars is what is needed, as well as entertainment like gig venues, comedy clubs etc.
Oh ill just nip in Town and have a Coffee..
Oh ill just nip in Town and have a quick pint...
Oh ill just nip in Town for a butty....

What do you think brings people into Town so they use these services. The ones above or real shops to attract them into Town ?

Perhaps you should open the Comedy club your a Comedian..
Thomas,

Do you shop in Bolton town centre?
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IvanCamposHair[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sharon Cunningham[/bold] wrote: Why must Bolton insist on ruining the Town even more another place to eat. Wow how many people are they expecting.Its Clothes shops we need haberdashery ,pot shops and bedding shops .We had it all in the Market hall.It would be more money well spent if Bolton Council stopped being so selfish and spent the 6.5 million on roads and pavements in the areas surrounding .Bolton.It was a real shame the Albert hall had to suffer in the fire.I don't think it was ever altered until then now they can't leave that alone .Whats happening to all our green land too .More houses no shops ?[/p][/quote]Yeah I will be rushing to Bolton to buy my haberdashery and bedding. Got to get that haberdashery and bedding from Bolton, it's the best! Town Centres as places to shop are dying all over the country, more food places, coffee shops and bars is what is needed, as well as entertainment like gig venues, comedy clubs etc.[/p][/quote]Oh ill just nip in Town and have a Coffee.. Oh ill just nip in Town and have a quick pint... Oh ill just nip in Town for a butty.... What do you think brings people into Town so they use these services. The ones above or real shops to attract them into Town ? Perhaps you should open the Comedy club your a Comedian..[/p][/quote]Thomas, Do you shop in Bolton town centre? nigella farrage
  • Score: 0

1:00pm Thu 21 Aug 14

nigella farrage says...

oops pressed wrong button

Thomas,

Do you ever visit the Octagon?
Bolton Little Theatre?
Socialise in the town?
Dentists?
Solicitors?
get your hair cut?
oops pressed wrong button Thomas, Do you ever visit the Octagon? Bolton Little Theatre? Socialise in the town? Dentists? Solicitors? get your hair cut? nigella farrage
  • Score: -1

1:07pm Thu 21 Aug 14

thomas222 says...

nigella farrage wrote:
oops pressed wrong button

Thomas,

Do you ever visit the Octagon?
Bolton Little Theatre?
Socialise in the town?
Dentists?
Solicitors?
get your hair cut?
No i dont because its a dump. Is this the same reason you said prefer to go to Bury on the bus ?. Remembered now it was! :)
[quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: oops pressed wrong button Thomas, Do you ever visit the Octagon? Bolton Little Theatre? Socialise in the town? Dentists? Solicitors? get your hair cut?[/p][/quote]No i dont because its a dump. Is this the same reason you said prefer to go to Bury on the bus ?. Remembered now it was! :) thomas222
  • Score: 4

1:59pm Thu 21 Aug 14

WATOAOW says...

IvanCamposHair wrote:
LordLeverhulme wrote: Enargy2 makes some good points. . I'm surprised the BN has not done some digging about the progress of the new bus station. Like Enargy said.. they demolished all the old buildings about a year ago now.. since then nothing has happened. . As for the town hall eaterie.. I'm sure it will be a great success. Like when they spent £4M turning our smelly dirty cold old market into a smelly dirty cold old market with a new roof.
Apart from the fact that the market now houses some of Bolton's most successful & innovative businesses such as Nkono and Great Ale Year. If you decided to open your eyes, stop being negative and enjoy yourself a little you might notice them.
Well said. How anyone can criticise the market is beyond me.

Nice coffee from The Coffee Grind. Then shopping for good quality well priced food and then back to the Lifestyle Hall for a decent pint and some lunch; English, Indian, Cameroonian, Italian, Spanish...usually Nkono for me, but all the others are nice as well.
[quote][p][bold]IvanCamposHair[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LordLeverhulme[/bold] wrote: Enargy2 makes some good points. . I'm surprised the BN has not done some digging about the progress of the new bus station. Like Enargy said.. they demolished all the old buildings about a year ago now.. since then nothing has happened. . As for the town hall eaterie.. I'm sure it will be a great success. Like when they spent £4M turning our smelly dirty cold old market into a smelly dirty cold old market with a new roof.[/p][/quote]Apart from the fact that the market now houses some of Bolton's most successful & innovative businesses such as Nkono and Great Ale Year. If you decided to open your eyes, stop being negative and enjoy yourself a little you might notice them.[/p][/quote]Well said. How anyone can criticise the market is beyond me. Nice coffee from The Coffee Grind. Then shopping for good quality well priced food and then back to the Lifestyle Hall for a decent pint and some lunch; English, Indian, Cameroonian, Italian, Spanish...usually Nkono for me, but all the others are nice as well. WATOAOW
  • Score: 1

2:07pm Thu 21 Aug 14

lily says...

RazorofOccam wrote:
Unbelievable! Leave theatres and restaurants to the private sector and spend the money on proper Council functions. Clean the streets, put staff back in parks and fix potholes.
These vanity projects are short term and costly and in times of austerity Councils need to concentrate on their traditional responsibilities and create an environment in which others will want to invest.
Yep I fully agree. Where does all this money come from when so many services and jobs are being cut?
[quote][p][bold]RazorofOccam[/bold] wrote: Unbelievable! Leave theatres and restaurants to the private sector and spend the money on proper Council functions. Clean the streets, put staff back in parks and fix potholes. These vanity projects are short term and costly and in times of austerity Councils need to concentrate on their traditional responsibilities and create an environment in which others will want to invest.[/p][/quote]Yep I fully agree. Where does all this money come from when so many services and jobs are being cut? lily
  • Score: 7

2:07pm Thu 21 Aug 14

cliff4treasurer says...

"Will affect the pantomime season next year"

You couldn't make it up! ha ha ha
This council is one big pantomime and a bit of building work won't stop the clowns that purport to run the council services.

Upmarket restaurant what a joke, this
is of course for the council staff and the councillors who already receive subsidised meals at the taxpayers expense.
The public are allowed in but ssshhh don't tell anybody.

£6.5 million, if you say it quick it sounds a lot less.
How much was it to keep libraries open?
Animal world?
Pot holes? Bin collections? Grass cutting, Parks maintenance etc etc
and they think we the public prefer the town hall to spruced up as opposed to all these and other issues being addressed?
You need to write and complain to the ombudsman and the minister for communities and local government responsible to complain about the lack of democracy in this town.
If anyone had any doubts the elected now hold the public in contempt
you surely don't now.


Apparently I am allowed to comment here because I am educated to degree level.
"Will affect the pantomime season next year" You couldn't make it up! ha ha ha This council is one big pantomime and a bit of building work won't stop the clowns that purport to run the council services. Upmarket restaurant what a joke, this is of course for the council staff and the councillors who already receive subsidised meals at the taxpayers expense. The public are allowed in but ssshhh don't tell anybody. £6.5 million, if you say it quick it sounds a lot less. How much was it to keep libraries open? Animal world? Pot holes? Bin collections? Grass cutting, Parks maintenance etc etc and they think we the public prefer the town hall to spruced up as opposed to all these and other issues being addressed? You need to write and complain to the ombudsman and the minister for communities and local government responsible to complain about the lack of democracy in this town. If anyone had any doubts the elected now hold the public in contempt you surely don't now. Apparently I am allowed to comment here because I am educated to degree level. cliff4treasurer
  • Score: 9

2:20pm Thu 21 Aug 14

nigella farrage says...

thomas222 wrote:
nigella farrage wrote: oops pressed wrong button Thomas, Do you ever visit the Octagon? Bolton Little Theatre? Socialise in the town? Dentists? Solicitors? get your hair cut?
No i dont because its a dump. Is this the same reason you said prefer to go to Bury on the bus ?. Remembered now it was! :)
I have my hair cut at Washington
I buy savoury beers from The Open Market
I do visit, frequently the Octagon and BOlton Little Theatre
My dentists is in Silverwell Street
My solicitor is in town centre

Unfortunately shops I like are based in Bury and a ssuch do ahve to visit Bury or even Blackburn.


But you call the town a dump. You ahve admitted you don't do any shopping whatsoever in the town! You call the council a waste of space, you call the country fit to burn. You don't like, no in fact you HATE about 12% of the population and the other 83% of the population!!!

Do you have anything nice to say about Bolton

Do you have anything nice to say about England/Britain?

So why did you return to England/Britain, if you have so much negativity about it?
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: oops pressed wrong button Thomas, Do you ever visit the Octagon? Bolton Little Theatre? Socialise in the town? Dentists? Solicitors? get your hair cut?[/p][/quote]No i dont because its a dump. Is this the same reason you said prefer to go to Bury on the bus ?. Remembered now it was! :)[/p][/quote]I have my hair cut at Washington I buy savoury beers from The Open Market I do visit, frequently the Octagon and BOlton Little Theatre My dentists is in Silverwell Street My solicitor is in town centre Unfortunately shops I like are based in Bury and a ssuch do ahve to visit Bury or even Blackburn. But you call the town a dump. You ahve admitted you don't do any shopping whatsoever in the town! You call the council a waste of space, you call the country fit to burn. You don't like, no in fact you HATE about 12% of the population and the other 83% of the population!!! Do you have anything nice to say about Bolton Do you have anything nice to say about England/Britain? So why did you return to England/Britain, if you have so much negativity about it? nigella farrage
  • Score: -6

2:41pm Thu 21 Aug 14

IvanCamposHair says...

lily wrote:
RazorofOccam wrote:
Unbelievable! Leave theatres and restaurants to the private sector and spend the money on proper Council functions. Clean the streets, put staff back in parks and fix potholes.
These vanity projects are short term and costly and in times of austerity Councils need to concentrate on their traditional responsibilities and create an environment in which others will want to invest.
Yep I fully agree. Where does all this money come from when so many services and jobs are being cut?
From the commercial ventures of the Albert Halls, the shows, pantomimes, weddings (£3000 a pop), events, comedy shows, bands, businesses hiring rooms, the list goes on.

One of the things that Council has done right and seemingly has made very successful and wants to expand.
[quote][p][bold]lily[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RazorofOccam[/bold] wrote: Unbelievable! Leave theatres and restaurants to the private sector and spend the money on proper Council functions. Clean the streets, put staff back in parks and fix potholes. These vanity projects are short term and costly and in times of austerity Councils need to concentrate on their traditional responsibilities and create an environment in which others will want to invest.[/p][/quote]Yep I fully agree. Where does all this money come from when so many services and jobs are being cut?[/p][/quote]From the commercial ventures of the Albert Halls, the shows, pantomimes, weddings (£3000 a pop), events, comedy shows, bands, businesses hiring rooms, the list goes on. One of the things that Council has done right and seemingly has made very successful and wants to expand. IvanCamposHair
  • Score: -6

2:46pm Thu 21 Aug 14

vote for Bryn says...

muppets!!!!
muppets!!!! vote for Bryn
  • Score: 9

2:54pm Thu 21 Aug 14

thomas222 says...

nigella farrage wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
nigella farrage wrote: oops pressed wrong button Thomas, Do you ever visit the Octagon? Bolton Little Theatre? Socialise in the town? Dentists? Solicitors? get your hair cut?
No i dont because its a dump. Is this the same reason you said prefer to go to Bury on the bus ?. Remembered now it was! :)
I have my hair cut at Washington
I buy savoury beers from The Open Market
I do visit, frequently the Octagon and BOlton Little Theatre
My dentists is in Silverwell Street
My solicitor is in town centre

Unfortunately shops I like are based in Bury and a ssuch do ahve to visit Bury or even Blackburn.


But you call the town a dump. You ahve admitted you don't do any shopping whatsoever in the town! You call the council a waste of space, you call the country fit to burn. You don't like, no in fact you HATE about 12% of the population and the other 83% of the population!!!

Do you have anything nice to say about Bolton

Do you have anything nice to say about England/Britain?

So why did you return to England/Britain, if you have so much negativity about it?
Yes i dont like you i think your a fool.What you call negative i call the truth. The truth not being voiced and listening to dreamers like you have got us where we are now. A dump. Little bit like Amsterdam is now compared to how it once was.
[quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: oops pressed wrong button Thomas, Do you ever visit the Octagon? Bolton Little Theatre? Socialise in the town? Dentists? Solicitors? get your hair cut?[/p][/quote]No i dont because its a dump. Is this the same reason you said prefer to go to Bury on the bus ?. Remembered now it was! :)[/p][/quote]I have my hair cut at Washington I buy savoury beers from The Open Market I do visit, frequently the Octagon and BOlton Little Theatre My dentists is in Silverwell Street My solicitor is in town centre Unfortunately shops I like are based in Bury and a ssuch do ahve to visit Bury or even Blackburn. But you call the town a dump. You ahve admitted you don't do any shopping whatsoever in the town! You call the council a waste of space, you call the country fit to burn. You don't like, no in fact you HATE about 12% of the population and the other 83% of the population!!! Do you have anything nice to say about Bolton Do you have anything nice to say about England/Britain? So why did you return to England/Britain, if you have so much negativity about it?[/p][/quote]Yes i dont like you i think your a fool.What you call negative i call the truth. The truth not being voiced and listening to dreamers like you have got us where we are now. A dump. Little bit like Amsterdam is now compared to how it once was. thomas222
  • Score: 8

3:19pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Daisyhillbilly says...

No mention of the previous attempts to generate income for this council "business" conference venue, wedding venue, cinema , all failed
If the loss per annum is 135K while the refurb takes place it would be interesting to know the current running costs including staff , heating , lighting , insurance etc , is it worth spending 6 .5 million ?? Would the private sector spend this amount trying to grind out a profit in an area that has no significant nightlife during the week.
The council should stick to the services the tax payers expect and leave profit and loss businesses to the private investor.
I also note from the picture new terraces behind the current fountains ,does this mean another set of fountains or are they to disappear altogether alongside our money.
No mention of the previous attempts to generate income for this council "business" conference venue, wedding venue, cinema , all failed If the loss per annum is 135K while the refurb takes place it would be interesting to know the current running costs including staff , heating , lighting , insurance etc , is it worth spending 6 .5 million ?? Would the private sector spend this amount trying to grind out a profit in an area that has no significant nightlife during the week. The council should stick to the services the tax payers expect and leave profit and loss businesses to the private investor. I also note from the picture new terraces behind the current fountains ,does this mean another set of fountains or are they to disappear altogether alongside our money. Daisyhillbilly
  • Score: 7

4:06pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Peakster says...

IvanCamposHair wrote:
I doubt much Council tax money is being spent anyway. The Albert Halls makes money from shows and hiring out the halls.

The better facilities it has, the better acts it will attract, which draws people to the town.

If they can attract more than pantos and tribute acts to the town and get more big name comedians for example, then it will be money quite well spent.
Sadly Ivan the Albert Hall only holds about 700 people and as such won't attract the big names when you consider the Phones 4 U in Manchester has a capacity of 21,000 and Etihad can hold up to 60,000.

Sadly the days of the the Drifters doing Saturday cabaret at Blightys or the Bees Knees s are long behind us.

Does anybody know that there is a already restaurant in the Albert Hall/Town Hall Complex called Dido that is open to the public? No I didn't think so....
[quote][p][bold]IvanCamposHair[/bold] wrote: I doubt much Council tax money is being spent anyway. The Albert Halls makes money from shows and hiring out the halls. The better facilities it has, the better acts it will attract, which draws people to the town. If they can attract more than pantos and tribute acts to the town and get more big name comedians for example, then it will be money quite well spent.[/p][/quote]Sadly Ivan the Albert Hall only holds about 700 people and as such won't attract the big names when you consider the Phones 4 U in Manchester has a capacity of 21,000 and Etihad can hold up to 60,000. Sadly the days of the the Drifters doing Saturday cabaret at Blightys or the Bees Knees s are long behind us. Does anybody know that there is a already restaurant in the Albert Hall/Town Hall Complex called Dido that is open to the public? No I didn't think so.... Peakster
  • Score: 7

4:53pm Thu 21 Aug 14

IvanCamposHair says...

Peakster wrote:
IvanCamposHair wrote:
I doubt much Council tax money is being spent anyway. The Albert Halls makes money from shows and hiring out the halls.

The better facilities it has, the better acts it will attract, which draws people to the town.

If they can attract more than pantos and tribute acts to the town and get more big name comedians for example, then it will be money quite well spent.
Sadly Ivan the Albert Hall only holds about 700 people and as such won't attract the big names when you consider the Phones 4 U in Manchester has a capacity of 21,000 and Etihad can hold up to 60,000.

Sadly the days of the the Drifters doing Saturday cabaret at Blightys or the Bees Knees s are long behind us.

Does anybody know that there is a already restaurant in the Albert Hall/Town Hall Complex called Dido that is open to the public? No I didn't think so....
Not saying that it will get Michael McIntyre or Chris Rock, but there are plenty of very good comedians who would love to play a decent but still intimate 700 seater hall. People on the Justin Moorhouse/Dave Spikey kind of level.
[quote][p][bold]Peakster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IvanCamposHair[/bold] wrote: I doubt much Council tax money is being spent anyway. The Albert Halls makes money from shows and hiring out the halls. The better facilities it has, the better acts it will attract, which draws people to the town. If they can attract more than pantos and tribute acts to the town and get more big name comedians for example, then it will be money quite well spent.[/p][/quote]Sadly Ivan the Albert Hall only holds about 700 people and as such won't attract the big names when you consider the Phones 4 U in Manchester has a capacity of 21,000 and Etihad can hold up to 60,000. Sadly the days of the the Drifters doing Saturday cabaret at Blightys or the Bees Knees s are long behind us. Does anybody know that there is a already restaurant in the Albert Hall/Town Hall Complex called Dido that is open to the public? No I didn't think so....[/p][/quote]Not saying that it will get Michael McIntyre or Chris Rock, but there are plenty of very good comedians who would love to play a decent but still intimate 700 seater hall. People on the Justin Moorhouse/Dave Spikey kind of level. IvanCamposHair
  • Score: -1

6:31pm Thu 21 Aug 14

pradagucci says...

Peter Kay will do a show and everything everyone is saying will be forgotten!!
Peter Kay will do a show and everything everyone is saying will be forgotten!! pradagucci
  • Score: -2

6:34pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Daisyhillbilly says...

As this is a Grade 2 star listed building it would need special planning consent and support from English Heretige to make changes to the outside look of the building , and hopefully this will never happen.
As for the venues comedians what's wrong with Ken Dodd and Jimmy Cricket ? Maybe not as funny as some of our current councillors !!
Just watching the BBC local news and it reports food banks are on the increase yet Bolton Council wants to build an upmarket eatery with tax payers money , they really do need to get into the real world
As this is a Grade 2 star listed building it would need special planning consent and support from English Heretige to make changes to the outside look of the building , and hopefully this will never happen. As for the venues comedians what's wrong with Ken Dodd and Jimmy Cricket ? Maybe not as funny as some of our current councillors !! Just watching the BBC local news and it reports food banks are on the increase yet Bolton Council wants to build an upmarket eatery with tax payers money , they really do need to get into the real world Daisyhillbilly
  • Score: 5

6:48pm Thu 21 Aug 14

sallyupsteps says...

It will be like everything the council touches a fiasco. They have lost thirty years of revenue when they closed Smithills Garden Centre. The now derelict site will probably be sold for housing soon. The town centre has become an obstacle course with all the pavements up for repair,a fact which is good, but there's never any workers on the job, yet expensive machinery is lying idle. Forget political point scoring and lets elect local people with some common sense that don't have delusios of grandeur.
It will be like everything the council touches a fiasco. They have lost thirty years of revenue when they closed Smithills Garden Centre. The now derelict site will probably be sold for housing soon. The town centre has become an obstacle course with all the pavements up for repair,a fact which is good, but there's never any workers on the job, yet expensive machinery is lying idle. Forget political point scoring and lets elect local people with some common sense that don't have delusios of grandeur. sallyupsteps
  • Score: 4

7:02pm Thu 21 Aug 14

nigella farrage says...

Thomas222

So you can think of nothing nice to say about the people of Bolton, the hidden gems of the town centre and borough, thee amazing Octagon which wins national prizes, or even try to help the town achieve much more.

You hate the Muslims and their places of worship (something you readily admit to) and yet all you do is moan, instead of taking action! Action as in buying land so they don't build their places of worship. But the question ahs to be asked is why you hate fellow human beings - 99.9% of them live just like everyone else in wanting a quirt life, success and to be able to pay the bills - just like 99.9% of the rest of the population!

You don't like the council, but all you do is moan, moan and moan and vote for a party that wants to tax the poor and working class even more and remove the taxes from the rich!! But you could do a lot more, but you don't why???

You do nothing to help change the town and as such I have to ask, is why did you ever bother moving form overseas to this great town, if you have nothing good to say?
Thomas222 So you can think of nothing nice to say about the people of Bolton, the hidden gems of the town centre and borough, thee amazing Octagon which wins national prizes, or even try to help the town achieve much more. You hate the Muslims and their places of worship (something you readily admit to) and yet all you do is moan, instead of taking action! Action as in buying land so they don't build their places of worship. But the question ahs to be asked is why you hate fellow human beings - 99.9% of them live just like everyone else in wanting a quirt life, success and to be able to pay the bills - just like 99.9% of the rest of the population! You don't like the council, but all you do is moan, moan and moan and vote for a party that wants to tax the poor and working class even more and remove the taxes from the rich!! But you could do a lot more, but you don't why??? You do nothing to help change the town and as such I have to ask, is why did you ever bother moving form overseas to this great town, if you have nothing good to say? nigella farrage
  • Score: 0

7:43pm Thu 21 Aug 14

bob the biker says...

I hope they don't use the same guy who planed the new open market and made a total mess of it. All that wasted space where the old one used to be and a smelly bin machine right in the middle ?
I hope they don't use the same guy who planed the new open market and made a total mess of it. All that wasted space where the old one used to be and a smelly bin machine right in the middle ? bob the biker
  • Score: 2

8:48pm Thu 21 Aug 14

wsw69 says...

So, with virtually no punters coming in to Bolton, an army of Traffic Wardens whose sole purpose is to boost the Councils coffers regardless of how they achieve it, a town centre that's more desolate than Khyber Pass ....................
............ I could go on.

£6.5 Million??? Someone is SERIOUSLY taking the p155 out of hard pressed Bolton tax payers.

Can someone, and sooner rather than later, get shut of this fat, blundering p1ll0ck called Cliff Morris and his pathetic band of cronies?
So, with virtually no punters coming in to Bolton, an army of Traffic Wardens whose sole purpose is to boost the Councils coffers regardless of how they achieve it, a town centre that's more desolate than Khyber Pass .................... ............ I could go on. £6.5 Million??? Someone is SERIOUSLY taking the p155 out of hard pressed Bolton tax payers. Can someone, and sooner rather than later, get shut of this fat, blundering p1ll0ck called Cliff Morris and his pathetic band of cronies? wsw69
  • Score: 7

9:02pm Thu 21 Aug 14

thomas222 says...

nigella farrage wrote:
Thomas222

So you can think of nothing nice to say about the people of Bolton, the hidden gems of the town centre and borough, thee amazing Octagon which wins national prizes, or even try to help the town achieve much more.

You hate the Muslims and their places of worship (something you readily admit to) and yet all you do is moan, instead of taking action! Action as in buying land so they don't build their places of worship. But the question ahs to be asked is why you hate fellow human beings - 99.9% of them live just like everyone else in wanting a quirt life, success and to be able to pay the bills - just like 99.9% of the rest of the population!

You don't like the council, but all you do is moan, moan and moan and vote for a party that wants to tax the poor and working class even more and remove the taxes from the rich!! But you could do a lot more, but you don't why???

You do nothing to help change the town and as such I have to ask, is why did you ever bother moving form overseas to this great town, if you have nothing good to say?
I dont hate anyone Mrs mind reader. Im anti Islamic what part of that dont you get Fool ?
Whats your claim to fame smart arse ?
[quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: Thomas222 So you can think of nothing nice to say about the people of Bolton, the hidden gems of the town centre and borough, thee amazing Octagon which wins national prizes, or even try to help the town achieve much more. You hate the Muslims and their places of worship (something you readily admit to) and yet all you do is moan, instead of taking action! Action as in buying land so they don't build their places of worship. But the question ahs to be asked is why you hate fellow human beings - 99.9% of them live just like everyone else in wanting a quirt life, success and to be able to pay the bills - just like 99.9% of the rest of the population! You don't like the council, but all you do is moan, moan and moan and vote for a party that wants to tax the poor and working class even more and remove the taxes from the rich!! But you could do a lot more, but you don't why??? You do nothing to help change the town and as such I have to ask, is why did you ever bother moving form overseas to this great town, if you have nothing good to say?[/p][/quote]I dont hate anyone Mrs mind reader. Im anti Islamic what part of that dont you get Fool ? Whats your claim to fame smart arse ? thomas222
  • Score: 0

9:10pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Beyond News Forum says...

What a huge fecking fiddle!!!

Yup council members get to spend some of that pay rise in their own luxury location right where they work.

No the town does not need new roads.

No the town does not need pulling down and starting again.

No the town does not need better facilities and free parking at all times.

Seriously you could not make this cr@p up. UNBELIEVABLE!!!
What a huge fecking fiddle!!! Yup council members get to spend some of that pay rise in their own luxury location right where they work. No the town does not need new roads. No the town does not need pulling down and starting again. No the town does not need better facilities and free parking at all times. Seriously you could not make this cr@p up. UNBELIEVABLE!!! Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 2

9:14pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Peakster says...

IvanCamposHair wrote:
Peakster wrote:
IvanCamposHair wrote:
I doubt much Council tax money is being spent anyway. The Albert Halls makes money from shows and hiring out the halls.

The better facilities it has, the better acts it will attract, which draws people to the town.

If they can attract more than pantos and tribute acts to the town and get more big name comedians for example, then it will be money quite well spent.
Sadly Ivan the Albert Hall only holds about 700 people and as such won't attract the big names when you consider the Phones 4 U in Manchester has a capacity of 21,000 and Etihad can hold up to 60,000.

Sadly the days of the the Drifters doing Saturday cabaret at Blightys or the Bees Knees s are long behind us.

Does anybody know that there is a already restaurant in the Albert Hall/Town Hall Complex called Dido that is open to the public? No I didn't think so....
Not saying that it will get Michael McIntyre or Chris Rock, but there are plenty of very good comedians who would love to play a decent but still intimate 700 seater hall. People on the Justin Moorhouse/Dave Spikey kind of level.
Thank goodness we won't be getting Michael McIntyre
[quote][p][bold]IvanCamposHair[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peakster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IvanCamposHair[/bold] wrote: I doubt much Council tax money is being spent anyway. The Albert Halls makes money from shows and hiring out the halls. The better facilities it has, the better acts it will attract, which draws people to the town. If they can attract more than pantos and tribute acts to the town and get more big name comedians for example, then it will be money quite well spent.[/p][/quote]Sadly Ivan the Albert Hall only holds about 700 people and as such won't attract the big names when you consider the Phones 4 U in Manchester has a capacity of 21,000 and Etihad can hold up to 60,000. Sadly the days of the the Drifters doing Saturday cabaret at Blightys or the Bees Knees s are long behind us. Does anybody know that there is a already restaurant in the Albert Hall/Town Hall Complex called Dido that is open to the public? No I didn't think so....[/p][/quote]Not saying that it will get Michael McIntyre or Chris Rock, but there are plenty of very good comedians who would love to play a decent but still intimate 700 seater hall. People on the Justin Moorhouse/Dave Spikey kind of level.[/p][/quote]Thank goodness we won't be getting Michael McIntyre Peakster
  • Score: 2

10:12pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Dirty Hamed says...

thomas222 wrote:
nigella farrage wrote:
Thomas222

So you can think of nothing nice to say about the people of Bolton, the hidden gems of the town centre and borough, thee amazing Octagon which wins national prizes, or even try to help the town achieve much more.

You hate the Muslims and their places of worship (something you readily admit to) and yet all you do is moan, instead of taking action! Action as in buying land so they don't build their places of worship. But the question ahs to be asked is why you hate fellow human beings - 99.9% of them live just like everyone else in wanting a quirt life, success and to be able to pay the bills - just like 99.9% of the rest of the population!

You don't like the council, but all you do is moan, moan and moan and vote for a party that wants to tax the poor and working class even more and remove the taxes from the rich!! But you could do a lot more, but you don't why???

You do nothing to help change the town and as such I have to ask, is why did you ever bother moving form overseas to this great town, if you have nothing good to say?
I dont hate anyone Mrs mind reader. Im anti Islamic what part of that dont you get Fool ?
Whats your claim to fame smart arse ?
He's not got a claim to fame, he cant even hold a job down.
I believe he is well known to the police though for stalking a waitresss in Amsterdam from where he got deported !!
Maybe that's why he's pro immigration ?
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: Thomas222 So you can think of nothing nice to say about the people of Bolton, the hidden gems of the town centre and borough, thee amazing Octagon which wins national prizes, or even try to help the town achieve much more. You hate the Muslims and their places of worship (something you readily admit to) and yet all you do is moan, instead of taking action! Action as in buying land so they don't build their places of worship. But the question ahs to be asked is why you hate fellow human beings - 99.9% of them live just like everyone else in wanting a quirt life, success and to be able to pay the bills - just like 99.9% of the rest of the population! You don't like the council, but all you do is moan, moan and moan and vote for a party that wants to tax the poor and working class even more and remove the taxes from the rich!! But you could do a lot more, but you don't why??? You do nothing to help change the town and as such I have to ask, is why did you ever bother moving form overseas to this great town, if you have nothing good to say?[/p][/quote]I dont hate anyone Mrs mind reader. Im anti Islamic what part of that dont you get Fool ? Whats your claim to fame smart arse ?[/p][/quote]He's not got a claim to fame, he cant even hold a job down. I believe he is well known to the police though for stalking a waitresss in Amsterdam from where he got deported !! Maybe that's why he's pro immigration ? Dirty Hamed
  • Score: 2

10:19pm Thu 21 Aug 14

SleepingThunder says...

Over the tops of shops on Newport street (near elephants) could do with some money spending , if left any longer I fear the whole roof will fall in .
They have been there around 50 years without any maintenance.
Over the tops of shops on Newport street (near elephants) could do with some money spending , if left any longer I fear the whole roof will fall in . They have been there around 50 years without any maintenance. SleepingThunder
  • Score: 1

11:31pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Mike23 says...

Some great comments here and some not so great...

When it comes to a project spend of £6.5m this has a whiff of virement & utilising a capital grant about it...

Either way, the question people of Bolton should ask...does it provide good value?

Below are extracts from a Governmental Document re: Mar 2012.
I have added additional comments in brackets.

Achieving value for money at the local level. The council as a whole, through the council executive, is accountable for allocating a local authority’s resources. There are a range of checks and systems in place to
provide assurance that they achieve value for money:

Councillors are best placed to judge what value for money means in local
terms. ( Mmmm that one's dodgy )

As councillors are democratically elected by local people (Local Government Act 1972) they are well placed to judge where resources need to be allocated to match what communities really need. ( Yes, a brand new cafe, restaurant in the middle of a decaying town )

They have strong incentives and duties to achieve value for money.
Within a limited financial envelope, they are under legal duties
to carry out a wide range of functions, and can be voted out if they
do not deliver. They are under a legal duty of best value which means they have to achieve continuous improvement in how they deliver their functions. ( Has Cllr Morris ever read this brief? )

They have access to expertise on how to achieve value for money through
senior officers and peers elsewhere in the sector. For example, the Chief
Finance Officer must provide advice and support to councillors on how to
achieve value for money and drive value for money though the organisation. ( You are having a laff, CFO must be blind as well as daft if he put his name to this one)

They can be scrutinised internally and externally.
A council’s performance can be scrutinised by the public and by counc
illors outside of elections, and also by an independent auditor who
will look at arrangements to achieve value for money. This scrutiny is supported by the availability of transparent, comparable data on performance and on spending.
(You really can't help but think there is a real gap between what happens in reality and what is written as a guidance for ethical management of public funds. )

With regard to open decision-making, council meetings (or parts of council
meetings) must be held in public where a key decision is being made or where an officer will be present, members of the public can normally ask
questions and present petitions to public meetings. Under the same regulations, the public are also entitled to have access to documents relating council meetings and documents relating to executive decisions made by executive members or officers. This ensures that the council de
cision-making process is open to scrutiny by the public.
( Erm, has anyone had a gander at Cliff's approach to this?)

Effective scrutiny by councillors and the public requires availability of comparable information on spending and the outcomes achieved. All councils produce public accounts, have open meetings and are required to
consult with the public, and all are subject to the Freedom of Information Act.
( The Bolton News tried this one and it was rejected by a Court of Appeal I think, so this gets more farcical by the paragraph.)

There are a range of external systems in place should councils fail to fulfil their functions which contribute to the maintenance of regularity,
propriety and value for money.

Local Government Ombudsman, Local Government Association and if need be petitioning National Government.

These words were written by Sir Bob Kerslake.

However, as I stated at the outset, there is a lot more to this; and utilising an unused capital budget, some creative virement is what initially springs to mind.

If not and it is using funds which could in theory be allocated to education, health, and economic projects, then this local government is seriously being negligent not only in its ethical watch on its local population, but more seriously in going against the guidance laid out in Bob Kerslake's report.

If this is how Councillors and Executives believe a brilliant town like Bolton should be run, I would urge all those with a brain to sell and leave now, whilst your property is still worth something.
Some great comments here and some not so great... When it comes to a project spend of £6.5m this has a whiff of virement & utilising a capital grant about it... Either way, the question people of Bolton should ask...does it provide good value? Below are extracts from a Governmental Document re: Mar 2012. I have added additional comments in brackets. Achieving value for money at the local level. The council as a whole, through the council executive, is accountable for allocating a local authority’s resources. There are a range of checks and systems in place to provide assurance that they achieve value for money: Councillors are best placed to judge what value for money means in local terms. ( Mmmm that one's dodgy ) As councillors are democratically elected by local people (Local Government Act 1972) they are well placed to judge where resources need to be allocated to match what communities really need. ( Yes, a brand new cafe, restaurant in the middle of a decaying town ) They have strong incentives and duties to achieve value for money. Within a limited financial envelope, they are under legal duties to carry out a wide range of functions, and can be voted out if they do not deliver. They are under a legal duty of best value which means they have to achieve continuous improvement in how they deliver their functions. ( Has Cllr Morris ever read this brief? ) They have access to expertise on how to achieve value for money through senior officers and peers elsewhere in the sector. For example, the Chief Finance Officer must provide advice and support to councillors on how to achieve value for money and drive value for money though the organisation. ( You are having a laff, CFO must be blind as well as daft if he put his name to this one) They can be scrutinised internally and externally. A council’s performance can be scrutinised by the public and by counc illors outside of elections, and also by an independent auditor who will look at arrangements to achieve value for money. This scrutiny is supported by the availability of transparent, comparable data on performance and on spending. (You really can't help but think there is a real gap between what happens in reality and what is written as a guidance for ethical management of public funds. ) With regard to open decision-making, council meetings (or parts of council meetings) must be held in public where a key decision is being made or where an officer will be present, members of the public can normally ask questions and present petitions to public meetings. Under the same regulations, the public are also entitled to have access to documents relating council meetings and documents relating to executive decisions made by executive members or officers. This ensures that the council de cision-making process is open to scrutiny by the public. ( Erm, has anyone had a gander at Cliff's approach to this?) Effective scrutiny by councillors and the public requires availability of comparable information on spending and the outcomes achieved. All councils produce public accounts, have open meetings and are required to consult with the public, and all are subject to the Freedom of Information Act. ( The Bolton News tried this one and it was rejected by a Court of Appeal I think, so this gets more farcical by the paragraph.) There are a range of external systems in place should councils fail to fulfil their functions which contribute to the maintenance of regularity, propriety and value for money. Local Government Ombudsman, Local Government Association and if need be petitioning National Government. These words were written by Sir Bob Kerslake. However, as I stated at the outset, there is a lot more to this; and utilising an unused capital budget, some creative virement is what initially springs to mind. If not and it is using funds which could in theory be allocated to education, health, and economic projects, then this local government is seriously being negligent not only in its ethical watch on its local population, but more seriously in going against the guidance laid out in Bob Kerslake's report. If this is how Councillors and Executives believe a brilliant town like Bolton should be run, I would urge all those with a brain to sell and leave now, whilst your property is still worth something. Mike23
  • Score: 6

7:33am Fri 22 Aug 14

Mr Chuckles says...

If you have ever read "Animal Farm" you will know where this is headed.
I await the day that Cliff renames himself Napoleon!
If you have ever read "Animal Farm" you will know where this is headed. I await the day that Cliff renames himself Napoleon! Mr Chuckles
  • Score: 3

12:35pm Fri 22 Aug 14

nigella farrage says...

SleepingThunder wrote:
Over the tops of shops on Newport street (near elephants) could do with some money spending , if left any longer I fear the whole roof will fall in . They have been there around 50 years without any maintenance.
Have you thought about contacting the property owner about it?

Bolton Council has no say when it comes to privately owned property.
[quote][p][bold]SleepingThunder[/bold] wrote: Over the tops of shops on Newport street (near elephants) could do with some money spending , if left any longer I fear the whole roof will fall in . They have been there around 50 years without any maintenance.[/p][/quote]Have you thought about contacting the property owner about it? Bolton Council has no say when it comes to privately owned property. nigella farrage
  • Score: -4

12:39pm Fri 22 Aug 14

nigella farrage says...

Dirty Hamed wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
nigella farrage wrote: Thomas222 So you can think of nothing nice to say about the people of Bolton, the hidden gems of the town centre and borough, thee amazing Octagon which wins national prizes, or even try to help the town achieve much more. You hate the Muslims and their places of worship (something you readily admit to) and yet all you do is moan, instead of taking action! Action as in buying land so they don't build their places of worship. But the question ahs to be asked is why you hate fellow human beings - 99.9% of them live just like everyone else in wanting a quirt life, success and to be able to pay the bills - just like 99.9% of the rest of the population! You don't like the council, but all you do is moan, moan and moan and vote for a party that wants to tax the poor and working class even more and remove the taxes from the rich!! But you could do a lot more, but you don't why??? You do nothing to help change the town and as such I have to ask, is why did you ever bother moving form overseas to this great town, if you have nothing good to say?
I dont hate anyone Mrs mind reader. Im anti Islamic what part of that dont you get Fool ? Whats your claim to fame smart arse ?
He's not got a claim to fame, he cant even hold a job down. I believe he is well known to the police though for stalking a waitresss in Amsterdam from where he got deported !! Maybe that's why he's pro immigration ?
Oh look a person who makes things uup and gets people to try to believe him. HAve you ever thought about working for Lord Haw Haw? Or even UKIP?

IF your claims are true, about me, then why not publish them from teh appropriate official website (in this being the Dutch police webiste) as, iof you say I am well known then I will be on their website!!!!

As for a job. Funny, my last contract was extended 3 times, it was up for a fourth but it was my choice not to accept it. Funnily enough there has only been 13 months gap (in total) in my 25 working years) and that was when the company I was working for decided move work from my office to another country, at the deepest part of the recession.
[quote][p][bold]Dirty Hamed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: Thomas222 So you can think of nothing nice to say about the people of Bolton, the hidden gems of the town centre and borough, thee amazing Octagon which wins national prizes, or even try to help the town achieve much more. You hate the Muslims and their places of worship (something you readily admit to) and yet all you do is moan, instead of taking action! Action as in buying land so they don't build their places of worship. But the question ahs to be asked is why you hate fellow human beings - 99.9% of them live just like everyone else in wanting a quirt life, success and to be able to pay the bills - just like 99.9% of the rest of the population! You don't like the council, but all you do is moan, moan and moan and vote for a party that wants to tax the poor and working class even more and remove the taxes from the rich!! But you could do a lot more, but you don't why??? You do nothing to help change the town and as such I have to ask, is why did you ever bother moving form overseas to this great town, if you have nothing good to say?[/p][/quote]I dont hate anyone Mrs mind reader. Im anti Islamic what part of that dont you get Fool ? Whats your claim to fame smart arse ?[/p][/quote]He's not got a claim to fame, he cant even hold a job down. I believe he is well known to the police though for stalking a waitresss in Amsterdam from where he got deported !! Maybe that's why he's pro immigration ?[/p][/quote]Oh look a person who makes things uup and gets people to try to believe him. HAve you ever thought about working for Lord Haw Haw? Or even UKIP? IF your claims are true, about me, then why not publish them from teh appropriate official website (in this being the Dutch police webiste) as, iof you say I am well known then I will be on their website!!!! As for a job. Funny, my last contract was extended 3 times, it was up for a fourth but it was my choice not to accept it. Funnily enough there has only been 13 months gap (in total) in my 25 working years) and that was when the company I was working for decided move work from my office to another country, at the deepest part of the recession. nigella farrage
  • Score: -3

1:31pm Fri 22 Aug 14

cliff4treasurer says...

To Nigella Farrage,

The council, any council, has a say in private landlords affairs when there property is a hazard to public health as is the building mentioned and which you wrongly commented on.
Before you comment on any other matter, as in the past when you are mainly wrong, get yourself an education then you can comment on here and earn some respect from others and you might even get a few positive votes which will no doubt you cheer you up no end.
To Nigella Farrage, The council, any council, has a say in private landlords affairs when there property is a hazard to public health as is the building mentioned and which you wrongly commented on. Before you comment on any other matter, as in the past when you are mainly wrong, get yourself an education then you can comment on here and earn some respect from others and you might even get a few positive votes which will no doubt you cheer you up no end. cliff4treasurer
  • Score: 3

4:00pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Dirty Hamed says...

nigella farrage wrote:
Dirty Hamed wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
nigella farrage wrote: Thomas222 So you can think of nothing nice to say about the people of Bolton, the hidden gems of the town centre and borough, thee amazing Octagon which wins national prizes, or even try to help the town achieve much more. You hate the Muslims and their places of worship (something you readily admit to) and yet all you do is moan, instead of taking action! Action as in buying land so they don't build their places of worship. But the question ahs to be asked is why you hate fellow human beings - 99.9% of them live just like everyone else in wanting a quirt life, success and to be able to pay the bills - just like 99.9% of the rest of the population! You don't like the council, but all you do is moan, moan and moan and vote for a party that wants to tax the poor and working class even more and remove the taxes from the rich!! But you could do a lot more, but you don't why??? You do nothing to help change the town and as such I have to ask, is why did you ever bother moving form overseas to this great town, if you have nothing good to say?
I dont hate anyone Mrs mind reader. Im anti Islamic what part of that dont you get Fool ? Whats your claim to fame smart arse ?
He's not got a claim to fame, he cant even hold a job down. I believe he is well known to the police though for stalking a waitresss in Amsterdam from where he got deported !! Maybe that's why he's pro immigration ?
Oh look a person who makes things uup and gets people to try to believe him. HAve you ever thought about working for Lord Haw Haw? Or even UKIP?

IF your claims are true, about me, then why not publish them from teh appropriate official website (in this being the Dutch police webiste) as, iof you say I am well known then I will be on their website!!!!

As for a job. Funny, my last contract was extended 3 times, it was up for a fourth but it was my choice not to accept it. Funnily enough there has only been 13 months gap (in total) in my 25 working years) and that was when the company I was working for decided move work from my office to another country, at the deepest part of the recession.
Ok, what's your real name then ? i'll check with the Dutch police ?
[quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dirty Hamed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: Thomas222 So you can think of nothing nice to say about the people of Bolton, the hidden gems of the town centre and borough, thee amazing Octagon which wins national prizes, or even try to help the town achieve much more. You hate the Muslims and their places of worship (something you readily admit to) and yet all you do is moan, instead of taking action! Action as in buying land so they don't build their places of worship. But the question ahs to be asked is why you hate fellow human beings - 99.9% of them live just like everyone else in wanting a quirt life, success and to be able to pay the bills - just like 99.9% of the rest of the population! You don't like the council, but all you do is moan, moan and moan and vote for a party that wants to tax the poor and working class even more and remove the taxes from the rich!! But you could do a lot more, but you don't why??? You do nothing to help change the town and as such I have to ask, is why did you ever bother moving form overseas to this great town, if you have nothing good to say?[/p][/quote]I dont hate anyone Mrs mind reader. Im anti Islamic what part of that dont you get Fool ? Whats your claim to fame smart arse ?[/p][/quote]He's not got a claim to fame, he cant even hold a job down. I believe he is well known to the police though for stalking a waitresss in Amsterdam from where he got deported !! Maybe that's why he's pro immigration ?[/p][/quote]Oh look a person who makes things uup and gets people to try to believe him. HAve you ever thought about working for Lord Haw Haw? Or even UKIP? IF your claims are true, about me, then why not publish them from teh appropriate official website (in this being the Dutch police webiste) as, iof you say I am well known then I will be on their website!!!! As for a job. Funny, my last contract was extended 3 times, it was up for a fourth but it was my choice not to accept it. Funnily enough there has only been 13 months gap (in total) in my 25 working years) and that was when the company I was working for decided move work from my office to another country, at the deepest part of the recession.[/p][/quote]Ok, what's your real name then ? i'll check with the Dutch police ? Dirty Hamed
  • Score: 1

5:11pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Ernagy2 says...

....and getting back to the issue at hand and putting the slanging match between Nigella Farage and Thomas222 aside.

Adding to my earlier comment, what happened to the plan to transform the Victoria Hall into a shopping centre? The cinema at the back of the old Bolton News offices? to go of course with bringing back the canal. What happened to the idea to extend Queens Park "right into the centre of Bolton" and yes the Hotel in place of the Odeon. All creditable schemes but they disappeared down the waste bin long ago.

Oh and I had a peep today, still no bus station rising from the ashes. A very peculiar rubble feature, still no bus station. When exactly do Bolton Council intend to get rid of the NCP carpark and actually start laying out the ground? I wish someone could update us.
....and getting back to the issue at hand and putting the slanging match between Nigella Farage and Thomas222 aside. Adding to my earlier comment, what happened to the plan to transform the Victoria Hall into a shopping centre? The cinema at the back of the old Bolton News offices? to go of course with bringing back the canal. What happened to the idea to extend Queens Park "right into the centre of Bolton" and yes the Hotel in place of the Odeon. All creditable schemes but they disappeared down the waste bin long ago. Oh and I had a peep today, still no bus station rising from the ashes. A very peculiar rubble feature, still no bus station. When exactly do Bolton Council intend to get rid of the NCP carpark and actually start laying out the ground? I wish someone could update us. Ernagy2
  • Score: 3

6:21pm Fri 22 Aug 14

SupeRed09 says...

breightmet kid wrote:
More money being spent on the Town Hall, another eatery, How much money do our Councillors think we all have to spend on dining out?

Its the town centre that needs sorting out, all the empty shop, all the tatty business premises, the slums.

Towns around Bolton are not spending money on tarting up their seat of governance, they are investing in re-building their town centre because they know that open business brings in the money.

Its obvious that Bolton councillors have no idea, they should all be sacked, en bloc.
Another eatery? There is currently NOWHERE to dine out in the town centre, just one of the reasons it is such a derelict joke of a place.
[quote][p][bold]breightmet kid[/bold] wrote: More money being spent on the Town Hall, another eatery, How much money do our Councillors think we all have to spend on dining out? Its the town centre that needs sorting out, all the empty shop, all the tatty business premises, the slums. Towns around Bolton are not spending money on tarting up their seat of governance, they are investing in re-building their town centre because they know that open business brings in the money. Its obvious that Bolton councillors have no idea, they should all be sacked, en bloc.[/p][/quote]Another eatery? There is currently NOWHERE to dine out in the town centre, just one of the reasons it is such a derelict joke of a place. SupeRed09
  • Score: 0

10:41pm Sat 23 Aug 14

hoppyhol says...

Typical Labour mismanagement, ill thought out spending of public funds to create an unsustainable folly. A bit like the former Labour government creating jobs in the public sector to artificially improve the economy with no long term sustainable view. They'll be closing offices and relocating council staff to the Town centre soon then quoting how employment and visitors to free car parks are up in the centre because of the successful Labour visionaries. Oh hang on.......
Typical Labour mismanagement, ill thought out spending of public funds to create an unsustainable folly. A bit like the former Labour government creating jobs in the public sector to artificially improve the economy with no long term sustainable view. They'll be closing offices and relocating council staff to the Town centre soon then quoting how employment and visitors to free car parks are up in the centre because of the successful Labour visionaries. Oh hang on....... hoppyhol
  • Score: 0

8:54am Mon 25 Aug 14

Anne W. says...

£6.5 million to spend.

What can we spend it on ?

I know,let's improve our working conditions, good for coffee breaks and long lunches.

Or shall we use it on Smithills Coaching House, thus upgrading Smithills Country Park facilities.

No No, we need somewhere nice to go for our working breaks.
£6.5 million to spend. What can we spend it on ? I know,let's improve our working conditions, good for coffee breaks and long lunches. Or shall we use it on Smithills Coaching House, thus upgrading Smithills Country Park facilities. No No, we need somewhere nice to go for our working breaks. Anne W.
  • Score: 2

5:46pm Mon 25 Aug 14

renovatedhouserunner says...

Its good that they are trying to do something with the town but they do at the cost of the normal working class. Shut the water place to save money, zoo on moss bank, most of the local libraries, empty bins every two weeks all to save money and now they are opening restaurants and bars for "high end hob nobs". Then they spend £80m of our cash on stanstead airport.Well stuff you council.
Its good that they are trying to do something with the town but they do at the cost of the normal working class. Shut the water place to save money, zoo on moss bank, most of the local libraries, empty bins every two weeks all to save money and now they are opening restaurants and bars for "high end hob nobs". Then they spend £80m of our cash on stanstead airport.Well stuff you council. renovatedhouserunner
  • Score: 3
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