Theatre Church 'is a hazard' and owners 'have no choice but to demolish it'

The  owners of Crystal Theatre, Function and Wedding Halls, from left, Mohamed Amjad Kulasi, Amna Pervez, Aysha Bapu and Aadil Razzaq, pictured after buying the former theatre church in 2012

The owners of Crystal Theatre, Function and Wedding Halls, from left, Mohamed Amjad Kulasi, Amna Pervez, Aysha Bapu and Aadil Razzaq, pictured after buying the former theatre church in 2012

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THE owners of the former Theatre Church say they have no choice but to demolish the building because it is in such a bad state of repair.

A planning application has been submitted to knock down Crystal Theatre, Function and Wedding Halls, in Seymour Road, Astley Bridge, to build nine houses.

Mohamed Nawaz Kulasi, of Seymour Road, said builders had to break down a number of false walls and ceilings, which revealed hidden structural damage.

He says he has taken 150 photographs, after he bought it from Bolton Methodist Circuit in summer 2012 for £500,000.

He added: “To my knowledge, the theatre groups were given the entire building — the theatre church, the side chapel, the main halls and the full building behind the stage — for £68 per week, subject to the theatre groups being fully responsible for all the maintenance and repair works.

“The matter is not who was responsible, Methodist Church Trustees or the amateur theatre groups, they were all aware of this.”

Mr Kulasi says builders advised him it was hazardous and the wedding venue was closed in April.

He says he has approached English Heritage, Bolton Civic Trust and charities for support but none would get involved due to the building not being listed or in a conservation area.

Mr Kulasi now wants planners to approve his application to demolish the building.

Paul Cohen, chairman of Bolton Amateur Theatre Societies, disputes Mr Kulasi’s claims that the building was left needing £400,000 of repairs.

He said: “We only rented the building. We had a full structural survey done and it did not reveal any of the problems Mr Kulasi’s claims there are. The only thing it did reveal was something to do with the roof.

“As for the £400,000 worth of repairs, I don’t believe that for one minute. There are no major structural issues and it certainly was not our responsibility.”

The planning application will be discussed by councillors at a meeting on September 25.

Bolton Methodist Circuit was responsible for the upkeep of the building, before its sale in 2012.

Anna Drew, Methodist Church spokesman said: “The Methodist Church always seeks to follow good practice in the sale of any of its properties.

“This includes complying with charity law, which requires us to get the best possible price on any sale.

“We also seek to ensure that prospective buyers have adequate opportunities to inspect the buildings and conduct their own surveys.”

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8:36am Thu 21 Aug 14

itsnotthatbad says...

Watch out pinochio, keep on lying your nose will grow!... "hidden defects" my eye! Get an independent structural engineer to survey it. See what he says....
Watch out pinochio, keep on lying your nose will grow!... "hidden defects" my eye! Get an independent structural engineer to survey it. See what he says.... itsnotthatbad
  • Score: 39

8:54am Thu 21 Aug 14

JustBecause says...

This is silly, bolton council have structural engineers, before planning is approved, send them in to have a look.

If it's found that its fine, give the bill to the owners.

BeFoRE it catches fire guys!
This is silly, bolton council have structural engineers, before planning is approved, send them in to have a look. If it's found that its fine, give the bill to the owners. BeFoRE it catches fire guys! JustBecause
  • Score: 48

9:10am Thu 21 Aug 14

commonsense73 says...

itsnotthatbad wrote:
Watch out pinochio, keep on lying your nose will grow!... "hidden defects" my eye! Get an independent structural engineer to survey it. See what he says....
Why are the bolton news readers always so negative about everything. I dont think the guy would want to pay demolition costs if it was going to go up in flames would he. Clarendon school went up in flames and that belonged to the Bolton Council, so what does that mean then. I generally find the people commenting on articles in th BN are uneducated, more than likely unemployed and most definatley a bit racist. Grow up
[quote][p][bold]itsnotthatbad[/bold] wrote: Watch out pinochio, keep on lying your nose will grow!... "hidden defects" my eye! Get an independent structural engineer to survey it. See what he says....[/p][/quote]Why are the bolton news readers always so negative about everything. I dont think the guy would want to pay demolition costs if it was going to go up in flames would he. Clarendon school went up in flames and that belonged to the Bolton Council, so what does that mean then. I generally find the people commenting on articles in th BN are uneducated, more than likely unemployed and most definatley a bit racist. Grow up commonsense73
  • Score: -25

9:47am Thu 21 Aug 14

The Squire In Residence says...

commonsense73 wrote:
itsnotthatbad wrote:
Watch out pinochio, keep on lying your nose will grow!... "hidden defects" my eye! Get an independent structural engineer to survey it. See what he says....
Why are the bolton news readers always so negative about everything. I dont think the guy would want to pay demolition costs if it was going to go up in flames would he. Clarendon school went up in flames and that belonged to the Bolton Council, so what does that mean then. I generally find the people commenting on articles in th BN are uneducated, more than likely unemployed and most definatley a bit racist. Grow up
Generalising gets you nowhere - use your commonsense! The school was targeted by arsonists - the same people that wish for 'another' development to replace it - take off those rose tinted specs!
[quote][p][bold]commonsense73[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]itsnotthatbad[/bold] wrote: Watch out pinochio, keep on lying your nose will grow!... "hidden defects" my eye! Get an independent structural engineer to survey it. See what he says....[/p][/quote]Why are the bolton news readers always so negative about everything. I dont think the guy would want to pay demolition costs if it was going to go up in flames would he. Clarendon school went up in flames and that belonged to the Bolton Council, so what does that mean then. I generally find the people commenting on articles in th BN are uneducated, more than likely unemployed and most definatley a bit racist. Grow up[/p][/quote]Generalising gets you nowhere - use your commonsense! The school was targeted by arsonists - the same people that wish for 'another' development to replace it - take off those rose tinted specs! The Squire In Residence
  • Score: 12

10:03am Thu 21 Aug 14

thomas222 says...

Hahahahahahah You could not make it up!!
Hahahahahahah You could not make it up!! thomas222
  • Score: -1

10:05am Thu 21 Aug 14

marco999 says...

If I bought my house 2 years ago and found that it now had to be demolished due to structural defects I would have my surveyors in court so quickly that their heads would spin. Label me whatever you like but this case stinks.
If I bought my house 2 years ago and found that it now had to be demolished due to structural defects I would have my surveyors in court so quickly that their heads would spin. Label me whatever you like but this case stinks. marco999
  • Score: 51

10:17am Thu 21 Aug 14

IvanCamposHair says...

Everybody complaining because it is Asians who have bought it. Thats the top and bottom of it. Blame Asians and Bolton Council.

Nobody is pointing the finger at the people who sold it them in the first place. People have the right to buy properties and do with them what they wish within the rules, regardless of what others think.

Maybe people should be up in arms about the Methodist Church selling it to people who did not want to keep it for its original use.

But that would not fit the agenda of some people would it?
Everybody complaining because it is Asians who have bought it. Thats the top and bottom of it. Blame Asians and Bolton Council. Nobody is pointing the finger at the people who sold it them in the first place. People have the right to buy properties and do with them what they wish within the rules, regardless of what others think. Maybe people should be up in arms about the Methodist Church selling it to people who did not want to keep it for its original use. But that would not fit the agenda of some people would it? IvanCamposHair
  • Score: 3

10:21am Thu 21 Aug 14

itsnotthatbad says...

commonsense73 wrote:
itsnotthatbad wrote:
Watch out pinochio, keep on lying your nose will grow!... "hidden defects" my eye! Get an independent structural engineer to survey it. See what he says....
Why are the bolton news readers always so negative about everything. I dont think the guy would want to pay demolition costs if it was going to go up in flames would he. Clarendon school went up in flames and that belonged to the Bolton Council, so what does that mean then. I generally find the people commenting on articles in th BN are uneducated, more than likely unemployed and most definatley a bit racist. Grow up
Wheres the negativity??.. all i'm saying like others have before is why when spending half a million on a business location did the structural inspection not bring these concerns to light..... they bought it knowing full well what needed doing and in those 2 years let it get even more run down. I'm not bothered about the theatre side as they will find another place to go and as an ex resident of wilton st just behind it I had to put up with the traffic there at certain times when plays or events were on and struggled to park outside my own house. All i'm saying is their lies arent very well thought out ones.
[quote][p][bold]commonsense73[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]itsnotthatbad[/bold] wrote: Watch out pinochio, keep on lying your nose will grow!... "hidden defects" my eye! Get an independent structural engineer to survey it. See what he says....[/p][/quote]Why are the bolton news readers always so negative about everything. I dont think the guy would want to pay demolition costs if it was going to go up in flames would he. Clarendon school went up in flames and that belonged to the Bolton Council, so what does that mean then. I generally find the people commenting on articles in th BN are uneducated, more than likely unemployed and most definatley a bit racist. Grow up[/p][/quote]Wheres the negativity??.. all i'm saying like others have before is why when spending half a million on a business location did the structural inspection not bring these concerns to light..... they bought it knowing full well what needed doing and in those 2 years let it get even more run down. I'm not bothered about the theatre side as they will find another place to go and as an ex resident of wilton st just behind it I had to put up with the traffic there at certain times when plays or events were on and struggled to park outside my own house. All i'm saying is their lies arent very well thought out ones. itsnotthatbad
  • Score: 17

10:25am Thu 21 Aug 14

Terry McC says...

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  • Score: 4

11:14am Thu 21 Aug 14

Djorkaeff's right peg says...

For every genuine property purchasing syndicate (as this one obviously is!), there are many more that are purchased from the proceeds of crime, tax avoidance schemes, money laundering and offshore banking. In Karachi alone there are unprecedented levels of capital that are squirreled away with very little scrutiny due to weak legislation and regulations.

These same methods are used to fund terrorism across the globe. Britain has become a hotbed for such activity and it is done very discreetly.
For every genuine property purchasing syndicate (as this one obviously is!), there are many more that are purchased from the proceeds of crime, tax avoidance schemes, money laundering and offshore banking. In Karachi alone there are unprecedented levels of capital that are squirreled away with very little scrutiny due to weak legislation and regulations. These same methods are used to fund terrorism across the globe. Britain has become a hotbed for such activity and it is done very discreetly. Djorkaeff's right peg
  • Score: 20

11:58am Thu 21 Aug 14

Djorkaeff's right peg says...

commonsense73 wrote:
itsnotthatbad wrote:
Watch out pinochio, keep on lying your nose will grow!... "hidden defects" my eye! Get an independent structural engineer to survey it. See what he says....
Why are the bolton news readers always so negative about everything. I dont think the guy would want to pay demolition costs if it was going to go up in flames would he. Clarendon school went up in flames and that belonged to the Bolton Council, so what does that mean then. I generally find the people commenting on articles in th BN are uneducated, more than likely unemployed and most definatley a bit racist. Grow up
Hi, I am educated to degree level and could easily surpass it. I am self-employed and last month I paid my £71.00 quarterly Class 2 National Insurance contributions. If you would like me to send you copies, please forward an email address.

By the way, it's definitely* quite a 'schoolboy' error demonstrated by you there, Mr. C73.
[quote][p][bold]commonsense73[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]itsnotthatbad[/bold] wrote: Watch out pinochio, keep on lying your nose will grow!... "hidden defects" my eye! Get an independent structural engineer to survey it. See what he says....[/p][/quote]Why are the bolton news readers always so negative about everything. I dont think the guy would want to pay demolition costs if it was going to go up in flames would he. Clarendon school went up in flames and that belonged to the Bolton Council, so what does that mean then. I generally find the people commenting on articles in th BN are uneducated, more than likely unemployed and most definatley a bit racist. Grow up[/p][/quote]Hi, I am educated to degree level and could easily surpass it. I am self-employed and last month I paid my £71.00 quarterly Class 2 National Insurance contributions. If you would like me to send you copies, please forward an email address. By the way, it's definitely* quite a 'schoolboy' error demonstrated by you there, Mr. C73. Djorkaeff's right peg
  • Score: 8

12:08pm Thu 21 Aug 14

itsnotthatbad says...

Djorkaeff's right peg wrote:
commonsense73 wrote:
itsnotthatbad wrote:
Watch out pinochio, keep on lying your nose will grow!... "hidden defects" my eye! Get an independent structural engineer to survey it. See what he says....
Why are the bolton news readers always so negative about everything. I dont think the guy would want to pay demolition costs if it was going to go up in flames would he. Clarendon school went up in flames and that belonged to the Bolton Council, so what does that mean then. I generally find the people commenting on articles in th BN are uneducated, more than likely unemployed and most definatley a bit racist. Grow up
Hi, I am educated to degree level and could easily surpass it. I am self-employed and last month I paid my £71.00 quarterly Class 2 National Insurance contributions. If you would like me to send you copies, please forward an email address.

By the way, it's definitely* quite a 'schoolboy' error demonstrated by you there, Mr. C73.
This is just a certain righteous one under one of many guises. If they said from the outset they wanted to build houses it wouldn't be like this now. As a wedding venue it's a bit pants really. They knew all along what they wanted. Regardless of race, story is still the same.
[quote][p][bold]Djorkaeff's right peg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]commonsense73[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]itsnotthatbad[/bold] wrote: Watch out pinochio, keep on lying your nose will grow!... "hidden defects" my eye! Get an independent structural engineer to survey it. See what he says....[/p][/quote]Why are the bolton news readers always so negative about everything. I dont think the guy would want to pay demolition costs if it was going to go up in flames would he. Clarendon school went up in flames and that belonged to the Bolton Council, so what does that mean then. I generally find the people commenting on articles in th BN are uneducated, more than likely unemployed and most definatley a bit racist. Grow up[/p][/quote]Hi, I am educated to degree level and could easily surpass it. I am self-employed and last month I paid my £71.00 quarterly Class 2 National Insurance contributions. If you would like me to send you copies, please forward an email address. By the way, it's definitely* quite a 'schoolboy' error demonstrated by you there, Mr. C73.[/p][/quote]This is just a certain righteous one under one of many guises. If they said from the outset they wanted to build houses it wouldn't be like this now. As a wedding venue it's a bit pants really. They knew all along what they wanted. Regardless of race, story is still the same. itsnotthatbad
  • Score: 17

1:26pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Djorkaeff's right peg says...

itsnotthatbad wrote:
Djorkaeff's right peg wrote:
commonsense73 wrote:
itsnotthatbad wrote:
Watch out pinochio, keep on lying your nose will grow!... "hidden defects" my eye! Get an independent structural engineer to survey it. See what he says....
Why are the bolton news readers always so negative about everything. I dont think the guy would want to pay demolition costs if it was going to go up in flames would he. Clarendon school went up in flames and that belonged to the Bolton Council, so what does that mean then. I generally find the people commenting on articles in th BN are uneducated, more than likely unemployed and most definatley a bit racist. Grow up
Hi, I am educated to degree level and could easily surpass it. I am self-employed and last month I paid my £71.00 quarterly Class 2 National Insurance contributions. If you would like me to send you copies, please forward an email address.

By the way, it's definitely* quite a 'schoolboy' error demonstrated by you there, Mr. C73.
This is just a certain righteous one under one of many guises. If they said from the outset they wanted to build houses it wouldn't be like this now. As a wedding venue it's a bit pants really. They knew all along what they wanted. Regardless of race, story is still the same.
On the contrary, itsnotthatbad. This is the only active user name I use on the Bolton news website. I don't have many pseudonyms as you insinuate.

The dufus in a previous post made a sweeping generalization and I just wanted to make my position clear.

I actually agree with your sentiments regarding the dubious acquisition of the allegedly 'crumbling' Crystal Theatre.

I bid you good day.
[quote][p][bold]itsnotthatbad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Djorkaeff's right peg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]commonsense73[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]itsnotthatbad[/bold] wrote: Watch out pinochio, keep on lying your nose will grow!... "hidden defects" my eye! Get an independent structural engineer to survey it. See what he says....[/p][/quote]Why are the bolton news readers always so negative about everything. I dont think the guy would want to pay demolition costs if it was going to go up in flames would he. Clarendon school went up in flames and that belonged to the Bolton Council, so what does that mean then. I generally find the people commenting on articles in th BN are uneducated, more than likely unemployed and most definatley a bit racist. Grow up[/p][/quote]Hi, I am educated to degree level and could easily surpass it. I am self-employed and last month I paid my £71.00 quarterly Class 2 National Insurance contributions. If you would like me to send you copies, please forward an email address. By the way, it's definitely* quite a 'schoolboy' error demonstrated by you there, Mr. C73.[/p][/quote]This is just a certain righteous one under one of many guises. If they said from the outset they wanted to build houses it wouldn't be like this now. As a wedding venue it's a bit pants really. They knew all along what they wanted. Regardless of race, story is still the same.[/p][/quote]On the contrary, itsnotthatbad. This is the only active user name I use on the Bolton news website. I don't have many pseudonyms as you insinuate. The dufus in a previous post made a sweeping generalization and I just wanted to make my position clear. I actually agree with your sentiments regarding the dubious acquisition of the allegedly 'crumbling' Crystal Theatre. I bid you good day. Djorkaeff's right peg
  • Score: 3

2:30pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Brumas says...

Commonsence73
How can you comment after reading the following

Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend, who has been with us for many years, Common Sense.

No one knows for sure how old he was, since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape. He will best be remembered as having cultivated such valuable lessons as:
- Knowing when to come in out of the rain;
- Why the early bird gets the worm;
- Life isn't always fair;
- And maybe it was my fault.

Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don't spend
more than you can earn) and reliable strategies (adults, not children,
are in charge).

His health began to deteriorate rapidly when well-intentioned but invasive
overbearing regulations were set in place. When he learned of reports of a 6-year-old boy being charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate; teens suspended from school for using mouthwash after lunch; and a teacher
fired for reprimanding an unruly student, only worsened his condition.

Common Sense lost ground when parents attacked teachers for doing the
job that they themselves had failed to do in disciplining their unruly
children.

Common Sense lost the will to live as the churches became businesses;
Terrorists and criminals received better treatment than their victims.

Common Sense took a beating when you couldn't defend yourself from a
burglar in your own home and the burglar could sue you for assault.

Common Sense finally gave up the will to live, after a woman failed to
realise that a steaming cup of coffee was hot. She spilled a little in her lap,
and was promptly awarded a huge settlement.

Common Sense was preceded in death,
-by his parents, Truth and Trust,
-by his wife, Discretion,
-by his daughter, Responsibility,
-and by his son, Reason.

He is survived by his 5 stepbrothers;
- I Know My Rights
- I Want It Now
- Someone Else Is To Blame
- I'm A Victim
- Pay me for Doing Nothing

Not many attended his funeral because so few realised he was gone.

If you still remember him, pass this on. If not, join the majority and
do nothing...
Commonsence73 How can you comment after reading the following Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend, who has been with us for many years, Common Sense. No one knows for sure how old he was, since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape. He will best be remembered as having cultivated such valuable lessons as: - Knowing when to come in out of the rain; - Why the early bird gets the worm; - Life isn't always fair; - And maybe it was my fault. Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don't spend more than you can earn) and reliable strategies (adults, not children, are in charge). His health began to deteriorate rapidly when well-intentioned but invasive overbearing regulations were set in place. When he learned of reports of a 6-year-old boy being charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate; teens suspended from school for using mouthwash after lunch; and a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student, only worsened his condition. Common Sense lost ground when parents attacked teachers for doing the job that they themselves had failed to do in disciplining their unruly children. Common Sense lost the will to live as the churches became businesses; Terrorists and criminals received better treatment than their victims. Common Sense took a beating when you couldn't defend yourself from a burglar in your own home and the burglar could sue you for assault. Common Sense finally gave up the will to live, after a woman failed to realise that a steaming cup of coffee was hot. She spilled a little in her lap, and was promptly awarded a huge settlement. Common Sense was preceded in death, -by his parents, Truth and Trust, -by his wife, Discretion, -by his daughter, Responsibility, -and by his son, Reason. He is survived by his 5 stepbrothers; - I Know My Rights - I Want It Now - Someone Else Is To Blame - I'm A Victim - Pay me for Doing Nothing Not many attended his funeral because so few realised he was gone. If you still remember him, pass this on. If not, join the majority and do nothing... Brumas
  • Score: 19

2:36pm Thu 21 Aug 14

itsnotthatbad says...

Djorkaeff's right peg wrote:
itsnotthatbad wrote:
Djorkaeff's right peg wrote:
commonsense73 wrote:
itsnotthatbad wrote:
Watch out pinochio, keep on lying your nose will grow!... "hidden defects" my eye! Get an independent structural engineer to survey it. See what he says....
Why are the bolton news readers always so negative about everything. I dont think the guy would want to pay demolition costs if it was going to go up in flames would he. Clarendon school went up in flames and that belonged to the Bolton Council, so what does that mean then. I generally find the people commenting on articles in th BN are uneducated, more than likely unemployed and most definatley a bit racist. Grow up
Hi, I am educated to degree level and could easily surpass it. I am self-employed and last month I paid my £71.00 quarterly Class 2 National Insurance contributions. If you would like me to send you copies, please forward an email address.

By the way, it's definitely* quite a 'schoolboy' error demonstrated by you there, Mr. C73.
This is just a certain righteous one under one of many guises. If they said from the outset they wanted to build houses it wouldn't be like this now. As a wedding venue it's a bit pants really. They knew all along what they wanted. Regardless of race, story is still the same.
On the contrary, itsnotthatbad. This is the only active user name I use on the Bolton news website. I don't have many pseudonyms as you insinuate.

The dufus in a previous post made a sweeping generalization and I just wanted to make my position clear.

I actually agree with your sentiments regarding the dubious acquisition of the allegedly 'crumbling' Crystal Theatre.

I bid you good day.
I meant commonssense73 not you. its meant to point that Mr.c.73 is the righteous one, i thumbed ups you as you are right. I agree with you! He on the other hand is completely wrong!
[quote][p][bold]Djorkaeff's right peg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]itsnotthatbad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Djorkaeff's right peg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]commonsense73[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]itsnotthatbad[/bold] wrote: Watch out pinochio, keep on lying your nose will grow!... "hidden defects" my eye! Get an independent structural engineer to survey it. See what he says....[/p][/quote]Why are the bolton news readers always so negative about everything. I dont think the guy would want to pay demolition costs if it was going to go up in flames would he. Clarendon school went up in flames and that belonged to the Bolton Council, so what does that mean then. I generally find the people commenting on articles in th BN are uneducated, more than likely unemployed and most definatley a bit racist. Grow up[/p][/quote]Hi, I am educated to degree level and could easily surpass it. I am self-employed and last month I paid my £71.00 quarterly Class 2 National Insurance contributions. If you would like me to send you copies, please forward an email address. By the way, it's definitely* quite a 'schoolboy' error demonstrated by you there, Mr. C73.[/p][/quote]This is just a certain righteous one under one of many guises. If they said from the outset they wanted to build houses it wouldn't be like this now. As a wedding venue it's a bit pants really. They knew all along what they wanted. Regardless of race, story is still the same.[/p][/quote]On the contrary, itsnotthatbad. This is the only active user name I use on the Bolton news website. I don't have many pseudonyms as you insinuate. The dufus in a previous post made a sweeping generalization and I just wanted to make my position clear. I actually agree with your sentiments regarding the dubious acquisition of the allegedly 'crumbling' Crystal Theatre. I bid you good day.[/p][/quote]I meant commonssense73 not you. its meant to point that Mr.c.73 is the righteous one, i thumbed ups you as you are right. I agree with you! He on the other hand is completely wrong! itsnotthatbad
  • Score: 3

3:30pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Reality50 says...

There is no one blameless here it seems. The Methodists should have been more ethical,the Muslim buyers,because clearly they had nio intention whatsoever of making it a wedding venue and have misled or lied all the way through the process,and the council for a host of reasons. This building in my view should be a listed building and it would be a tragedy if it is demolished. I just hope strong opposition can be formed against this plan an the building is not flattened.
There is no one blameless here it seems. The Methodists should have been more ethical,the Muslim buyers,because clearly they had nio intention whatsoever of making it a wedding venue and have misled or lied all the way through the process,and the council for a host of reasons. This building in my view should be a listed building and it would be a tragedy if it is demolished. I just hope strong opposition can be formed against this plan an the building is not flattened. Reality50
  • Score: 9

3:38pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Reality50 says...

I don't blame the Methodists for selling as the Christian population and church attendances in the area is diminishing rapidly,however they should have sold it to the theatre group who offered £300K and they should have given the theatre group more time to maybe get the council on board to chip in and match the Muslim buyers offer. I just hope the planning meeting at the end of September,is not another Bolton Council rubber stamp farce. There must be a deferral at the very very least on the issue.
I don't blame the Methodists for selling as the Christian population and church attendances in the area is diminishing rapidly,however they should have sold it to the theatre group who offered £300K and they should have given the theatre group more time to maybe get the council on board to chip in and match the Muslim buyers offer. I just hope the planning meeting at the end of September,is not another Bolton Council rubber stamp farce. There must be a deferral at the very very least on the issue. Reality50
  • Score: 6

5:25pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Djorkaeff's right peg says...

itsnotthatbad wrote:
Djorkaeff's right peg wrote:
itsnotthatbad wrote:
Djorkaeff's right peg wrote:
commonsense73 wrote:
itsnotthatbad wrote:
Watch out pinochio, keep on lying your nose will grow!... "hidden defects" my eye! Get an independent structural engineer to survey it. See what he says....
Why are the bolton news readers always so negative about everything. I dont think the guy would want to pay demolition costs if it was going to go up in flames would he. Clarendon school went up in flames and that belonged to the Bolton Council, so what does that mean then. I generally find the people commenting on articles in th BN are uneducated, more than likely unemployed and most definatley a bit racist. Grow up
Hi, I am educated to degree level and could easily surpass it. I am self-employed and last month I paid my £71.00 quarterly Class 2 National Insurance contributions. If you would like me to send you copies, please forward an email address.

By the way, it's definitely* quite a 'schoolboy' error demonstrated by you there, Mr. C73.
This is just a certain righteous one under one of many guises. If they said from the outset they wanted to build houses it wouldn't be like this now. As a wedding venue it's a bit pants really. They knew all along what they wanted. Regardless of race, story is still the same.
On the contrary, itsnotthatbad. This is the only active user name I use on the Bolton news website. I don't have many pseudonyms as you insinuate.

The dufus in a previous post made a sweeping generalization and I just wanted to make my position clear.

I actually agree with your sentiments regarding the dubious acquisition of the allegedly 'crumbling' Crystal Theatre.

I bid you good day.
I meant commonssense73 not you. its meant to point that Mr.c.73 is the righteous one, i thumbed ups you as you are right. I agree with you! He on the other hand is completely wrong!
Sorry pal.
[quote][p][bold]itsnotthatbad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Djorkaeff's right peg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]itsnotthatbad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Djorkaeff's right peg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]commonsense73[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]itsnotthatbad[/bold] wrote: Watch out pinochio, keep on lying your nose will grow!... "hidden defects" my eye! Get an independent structural engineer to survey it. See what he says....[/p][/quote]Why are the bolton news readers always so negative about everything. I dont think the guy would want to pay demolition costs if it was going to go up in flames would he. Clarendon school went up in flames and that belonged to the Bolton Council, so what does that mean then. I generally find the people commenting on articles in th BN are uneducated, more than likely unemployed and most definatley a bit racist. Grow up[/p][/quote]Hi, I am educated to degree level and could easily surpass it. I am self-employed and last month I paid my £71.00 quarterly Class 2 National Insurance contributions. If you would like me to send you copies, please forward an email address. By the way, it's definitely* quite a 'schoolboy' error demonstrated by you there, Mr. C73.[/p][/quote]This is just a certain righteous one under one of many guises. If they said from the outset they wanted to build houses it wouldn't be like this now. As a wedding venue it's a bit pants really. They knew all along what they wanted. Regardless of race, story is still the same.[/p][/quote]On the contrary, itsnotthatbad. This is the only active user name I use on the Bolton news website. I don't have many pseudonyms as you insinuate. The dufus in a previous post made a sweeping generalization and I just wanted to make my position clear. I actually agree with your sentiments regarding the dubious acquisition of the allegedly 'crumbling' Crystal Theatre. I bid you good day.[/p][/quote]I meant commonssense73 not you. its meant to point that Mr.c.73 is the righteous one, i thumbed ups you as you are right. I agree with you! He on the other hand is completely wrong![/p][/quote]Sorry pal. Djorkaeff's right peg
  • Score: 2

6:13pm Thu 21 Aug 14

itsnotthatbad says...

Djorkaeff's right peg wrote:
itsnotthatbad wrote:
Djorkaeff's right peg wrote:
itsnotthatbad wrote:
Djorkaeff's right peg wrote:
commonsense73 wrote:
itsnotthatbad wrote:
Watch out pinochio, keep on lying your nose will grow!... "hidden defects" my eye! Get an independent structural engineer to survey it. See what he says....
Why are the bolton news readers always so negative about everything. I dont think the guy would want to pay demolition costs if it was going to go up in flames would he. Clarendon school went up in flames and that belonged to the Bolton Council, so what does that mean then. I generally find the people commenting on articles in th BN are uneducated, more than likely unemployed and most definatley a bit racist. Grow up
Hi, I am educated to degree level and could easily surpass it. I am self-employed and last month I paid my £71.00 quarterly Class 2 National Insurance contributions. If you would like me to send you copies, please forward an email address.

By the way, it's definitely* quite a 'schoolboy' error demonstrated by you there, Mr. C73.
This is just a certain righteous one under one of many guises. If they said from the outset they wanted to build houses it wouldn't be like this now. As a wedding venue it's a bit pants really. They knew all along what they wanted. Regardless of race, story is still the same.
On the contrary, itsnotthatbad. This is the only active user name I use on the Bolton news website. I don't have many pseudonyms as you insinuate.

The dufus in a previous post made a sweeping generalization and I just wanted to make my position clear.

I actually agree with your sentiments regarding the dubious acquisition of the allegedly 'crumbling' Crystal Theatre.

I bid you good day.
I meant commonssense73 not you. its meant to point that Mr.c.73 is the righteous one, i thumbed ups you as you are right. I agree with you! He on the other hand is completely wrong!
Sorry pal.
It's OK. You make sense and your comments are valid ones. Unlike others who only cause people to get annoyed with their constant drivel!
[quote][p][bold]Djorkaeff's right peg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]itsnotthatbad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Djorkaeff's right peg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]itsnotthatbad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Djorkaeff's right peg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]commonsense73[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]itsnotthatbad[/bold] wrote: Watch out pinochio, keep on lying your nose will grow!... "hidden defects" my eye! Get an independent structural engineer to survey it. See what he says....[/p][/quote]Why are the bolton news readers always so negative about everything. I dont think the guy would want to pay demolition costs if it was going to go up in flames would he. Clarendon school went up in flames and that belonged to the Bolton Council, so what does that mean then. I generally find the people commenting on articles in th BN are uneducated, more than likely unemployed and most definatley a bit racist. Grow up[/p][/quote]Hi, I am educated to degree level and could easily surpass it. I am self-employed and last month I paid my £71.00 quarterly Class 2 National Insurance contributions. If you would like me to send you copies, please forward an email address. By the way, it's definitely* quite a 'schoolboy' error demonstrated by you there, Mr. C73.[/p][/quote]This is just a certain righteous one under one of many guises. If they said from the outset they wanted to build houses it wouldn't be like this now. As a wedding venue it's a bit pants really. They knew all along what they wanted. Regardless of race, story is still the same.[/p][/quote]On the contrary, itsnotthatbad. This is the only active user name I use on the Bolton news website. I don't have many pseudonyms as you insinuate. The dufus in a previous post made a sweeping generalization and I just wanted to make my position clear. I actually agree with your sentiments regarding the dubious acquisition of the allegedly 'crumbling' Crystal Theatre. I bid you good day.[/p][/quote]I meant commonssense73 not you. its meant to point that Mr.c.73 is the righteous one, i thumbed ups you as you are right. I agree with you! He on the other hand is completely wrong![/p][/quote]Sorry pal.[/p][/quote]It's OK. You make sense and your comments are valid ones. Unlike others who only cause people to get annoyed with their constant drivel! itsnotthatbad
  • Score: 3

7:04pm Thu 21 Aug 14

united99 says...

marco999 wrote:
If I bought my house 2 years ago and found that it now had to be demolished due to structural defects I would have my surveyors in court so quickly that their heads would spin. Label me whatever you like but this case stinks.
Who cares what you think - there money there property they can do what they want now zip it once and for all.
[quote][p][bold]marco999[/bold] wrote: If I bought my house 2 years ago and found that it now had to be demolished due to structural defects I would have my surveyors in court so quickly that their heads would spin. Label me whatever you like but this case stinks.[/p][/quote]Who cares what you think - there money there property they can do what they want now zip it once and for all. united99
  • Score: -8

7:40pm Thu 21 Aug 14

itsnotthatbad says...

united99 wrote:
marco999 wrote:
If I bought my house 2 years ago and found that it now had to be demolished due to structural defects I would have my surveyors in court so quickly that their heads would spin. Label me whatever you like but this case stinks.
Who cares what you think - there money there property they can do what they want now zip it once and for all.
Their not there.
[quote][p][bold]united99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]marco999[/bold] wrote: If I bought my house 2 years ago and found that it now had to be demolished due to structural defects I would have my surveyors in court so quickly that their heads would spin. Label me whatever you like but this case stinks.[/p][/quote]Who cares what you think - there money there property they can do what they want now zip it once and for all.[/p][/quote]Their not there. itsnotthatbad
  • Score: 8

8:31pm Thu 21 Aug 14

BIG ERN says...

****.
****. BIG ERN
  • Score: 2

9:29pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Frotage says...

Good Grief people!! what normally starts out as a well informed thread with a variety of different views almost always descends into a petty squabbling match between two or three individuals. If its at all possible could you keep your thoughts about other commentators to a minimum or just don't rise to the bait? As for the building and its future use. Whose building is it? theirs. Who bought it outright? They did. What can they do with it? Anything they want within reason. Its frustrating for the groups that used the building but there isn't a great deal can be done now is there?
Good Grief people!! what normally starts out as a well informed thread with a variety of different views almost always descends into a petty squabbling match between two or three individuals. If its at all possible could you keep your thoughts about other commentators to a minimum or just don't rise to the bait? As for the building and its future use. Whose building is it? theirs. Who bought it outright? They did. What can they do with it? Anything they want within reason. Its frustrating for the groups that used the building but there isn't a great deal can be done now is there? Frotage
  • Score: 1

9:57pm Thu 21 Aug 14

united99 says...

Frotage wrote:
Good Grief people!! what normally starts out as a well informed thread with a variety of different views almost always descends into a petty squabbling match between two or three individuals. If its at all possible could you keep your thoughts about other commentators to a minimum or just don't rise to the bait? As for the building and its future use. Whose building is it? theirs. Who bought it outright? They did. What can they do with it? Anything they want within reason. Its frustrating for the groups that used the building but there isn't a great deal can be done now is there?
Well put -enough said !
[quote][p][bold]Frotage[/bold] wrote: Good Grief people!! what normally starts out as a well informed thread with a variety of different views almost always descends into a petty squabbling match between two or three individuals. If its at all possible could you keep your thoughts about other commentators to a minimum or just don't rise to the bait? As for the building and its future use. Whose building is it? theirs. Who bought it outright? They did. What can they do with it? Anything they want within reason. Its frustrating for the groups that used the building but there isn't a great deal can be done now is there?[/p][/quote]Well put -enough said ! united99
  • Score: -3

11:38pm Thu 21 Aug 14

pradagucci says...

The theatre groups paid £68 per week for that entire place, what can a landlord do with £68 per week for such a big place? Was that £68 in real life or were they still in the panto mode after their theatre / drama classes????????
The theatre groups paid £68 per week for that entire place, what can a landlord do with £68 per week for such a big place? Was that £68 in real life or were they still in the panto mode after their theatre / drama classes???????? pradagucci
  • Score: -3

12:47am Fri 22 Aug 14

LoveBolton says...

pradagucci wrote:
The theatre groups paid £68 per week for that entire place, what can a landlord do with £68 per week for such a big place? Was that £68 in real life or were they still in the panto mode after their theatre / drama classes????????
Same old comments, all expert builders and structural engineers . Defects found behind hidden and false walls and ceilings. But bottom line importantly the building is not a listed building. The architectural design is nothing special many new modern buildings have similar design. If Mr Cohen crew paid the church a fair amount of rent instead of a mere 68 quid then may be the church would have been able to keep the building in good condition. Mr Cohen throwing a tantrum because the church did not accept his offer of 200k less. Who would. Then the new owners would not rent the building for the same price so Mr Cohen went to the BN with his story. Support has been given mostly by the regularly crew of haters and moaners. Still not to late buy it back or stop your moaning.
[quote][p][bold]pradagucci[/bold] wrote: The theatre groups paid £68 per week for that entire place, what can a landlord do with £68 per week for such a big place? Was that £68 in real life or were they still in the panto mode after their theatre / drama classes????????[/p][/quote]Same old comments, all expert builders and structural engineers . Defects found behind hidden and false walls and ceilings. But bottom line importantly the building is not a listed building. The architectural design is nothing special many new modern buildings have similar design. If Mr Cohen crew paid the church a fair amount of rent instead of a mere 68 quid then may be the church would have been able to keep the building in good condition. Mr Cohen throwing a tantrum because the church did not accept his offer of 200k less. Who would. Then the new owners would not rent the building for the same price so Mr Cohen went to the BN with his story. Support has been given mostly by the regularly crew of haters and moaners. Still not to late buy it back or stop your moaning. LoveBolton
  • Score: 2

1:21am Fri 22 Aug 14

longballs r us says...

To all the whingers, go and make an offer the present owners can't refuse. Once you have bought the place offer it for free to Mr Cohen because you love amateur dramatics!
Put your money where your mouth is :)
To all the whingers, go and make an offer the present owners can't refuse. Once you have bought the place offer it for free to Mr Cohen because you love amateur dramatics! Put your money where your mouth is :) longballs r us
  • Score: -3

7:16am Fri 22 Aug 14

By George says...

Capitalism has its downfalls looks like these Entrepreneurs got it wrong, or have been misled when they bought it, buyers beware there are some very dodgy people in Bolton.
Capitalism has its downfalls looks like these Entrepreneurs got it wrong, or have been misled when they bought it, buyers beware there are some very dodgy people in Bolton. By George
  • Score: 2

11:06am Sun 24 Aug 14

JJKBolton says...

Paul Cohen, chairman of Bolton Amateur Theatre Societies, said


The only thing it (the survey) did reveal was something to do with the roof.

Mr Cohen - to trivialize the the condition of a building as "The only thing it did reveal was something to do with the roof",

smacks of arrogance or ignorance (or both) in the extreme, just in case you don't understand the basics of building maintenance, if the roof of a building is ****ing in rain-water or is in some other way structurally defective THAT IS (OR WAS) YOUR PROBLEM and NO-ONE ELSE,ES and you no doubt had some kind of agreement drawn up that in return for the peppercorn rent, YOU and or your theater company would be responsible for the upkeep of the property.

In all my time spent studying building structures, I have yet to come across a building which has a "SELF HEALING ROOF", they don't exist and they wont GO AWAY. The longer you leave a problem the more it will cost to put it right, until you reach a point when then cost of repair outweighs the overall value of the building Mr Cohen. It brings to mind the theater in London where the roof collapsed in after heavy rain, NON EXISIT-ANT maintenance.
Paul Cohen, chairman of Bolton Amateur Theatre Societies, said The only thing it (the survey) did reveal was something to do with the roof. Mr Cohen - to trivialize the the condition of a building as "The only thing it did reveal was something to do with the roof", smacks of arrogance or ignorance (or both) in the extreme, just in case you don't understand the basics of building maintenance, if the roof of a building is ****ing in rain-water or is in some other way structurally defective THAT IS (OR WAS) YOUR PROBLEM and NO-ONE ELSE,ES and you no doubt had some kind of agreement drawn up that in return for the peppercorn rent, YOU and or your theater company would be responsible for the upkeep of the property. In all my time spent studying building structures, I have yet to come across a building which has a "SELF HEALING ROOF", they don't exist and they wont GO AWAY. The longer you leave a problem the more it will cost to put it right, until you reach a point when then cost of repair outweighs the overall value of the building Mr Cohen. It brings to mind the theater in London where the roof collapsed in after heavy rain, NON EXISIT-ANT maintenance. JJKBolton
  • Score: 1

2:23pm Tue 2 Sep 14

flabbergast says...

This theatre was bought at twice the price of what was expected. The ADS had close to the amount that was thought was required to buy the building I think. The reason for that was it had the word church in it and therefore a mosque was needed to usurp the other religion (take a look around the world and you will find mosques near or in place of the previous religious buildings, regardless of religion)
An attempt was made to make it a mosque with lots of people visiting, praying etc, but it was refused - hence no council tax allowance and the owners couldn't find an alternative use for it.
Sure its capitalism, but some peoples religious beliefs have destroyed a valuable community resource, even kicking out cub scouts and dance classes. Surely Muslims can watch the theatre, can't they? The plays there were really good as well
I really don't believe the statements put forward by the owners. and agree there should be in independent inspection made by the council, there seems to be a lot of lies pedalled when it comes to planning permission these days. I too expect "arson" at some point
This theatre was bought at twice the price of what was expected. The ADS had close to the amount that was thought was required to buy the building I think. The reason for that was it had the word church in it and therefore a mosque was needed to usurp the other religion (take a look around the world and you will find mosques near or in place of the previous religious buildings, regardless of religion) An attempt was made to make it a mosque with lots of people visiting, praying etc, but it was refused - hence no council tax allowance and the owners couldn't find an alternative use for it. Sure its capitalism, but some peoples religious beliefs have destroyed a valuable community resource, even kicking out cub scouts and dance classes. Surely Muslims can watch the theatre, can't they? The plays there were really good as well I really don't believe the statements put forward by the owners. and agree there should be in independent inspection made by the council, there seems to be a lot of lies pedalled when it comes to planning permission these days. I too expect "arson" at some point flabbergast
  • Score: 0

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