£6.5 million revamp of Albert Halls is waste of money, say Tories

Chris Green, left, and James Daly outside Bolton Town Hall

An artist’s impression of the Albert Halls project

First published in News The Bolton News: Photograph of the Author by , politics reporter

PROSPECTIVE Tory MPs have criticised Bolton Council’s plans to spend up to £6.5 million renovating the Albert Halls.

The authority’s leaders announced last week that the venue will be closed for up to 12 months while work is carried out to renovate the theatre and build a new upmarket restaurant and cafe on the ground floor of the Town Hall.

The work is in addition to the £3.5 million refurbishment on the authority’s offices and the council will lose at least £135,000 in income while the halls are shut from February.

Would-be Conservative MPs have said the money should be spent on front line services, but council bosses say the cash cannot be ploughed into this and must be spent on capital projects.

James Daly, who will run against David Crausby in May 2015 for the Bolton North East constituency, which covers the town centre, said he was “disgusted” with the proposals.

He added: “The huge sums being spent on this project should be used to protect important frontline services in Bolton.

“Why would anyone spend taxpayers’ money in this way when £63 million of savings have to be found between 2015 and 2018?

“Approximately £1 million appears to have been taken out of the town centre renewal fund to pay for a restaurant and cafe in a council building.

"That money should be used to help the whole Bolton family and not be spent in this manner.”

Bolton West Tory candidate Chris Green, who will stand against Julie Hilling at the next general election, said the town centre would not benefit from the proposals.

He added: “Why waste millions on a project like this when it is the town centre that is in desperate need of a makeover?

“There are dozens of empty shops which are crying out to be renovated.

"And as for having an ‘upmarket’ restaurant - surely such an establishment would really hit already struggling businesses?

“This whole misguided proposition smacks of typical Labour, spending vast amounts of money on projects such as this, instead of trying to solve what really needs fixing.”

Leader of Bolton Council Cllr Cliff Morris insisted the money used to pay for the renovation was out of capital funding, which is allocated for major schemes such as building or improving roads, schools or buildings.

It cannot be spent on services and was partly raised by the selling-off of council assets.

He added: “We are bringing the Albert Halls into the 21st century.

“To say we can use capital funding on services is a nonsense, and Cllr Daly — as deputy leader of the Bury Conservatives — should know how council funding works.

“We have to support the redevelopment of the town centre and renovating the Albert Halls will help businesses — if more people come then they will shop and spend money.

"If Cllr Daly and Mr Green want to represent Bolton, why are they criticising efforts to improve it?”

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7:01am Sun 31 Aug 14

oftbewildered2 says...

Obviously these two would-be MPs have no idea how public sector funding works. It is not Bolton's fault - it is the system. You either use it or lose it and get a reduction next year as you are seen as to not need it. Crazy I know - but we have to go along with it.
Obviously these two would-be MPs have no idea how public sector funding works. It is not Bolton's fault - it is the system. You either use it or lose it and get a reduction next year as you are seen as to not need it. Crazy I know - but we have to go along with it. oftbewildered2
  • Score: -23

7:54am Sun 31 Aug 14

thomas222 says...

Cliff Morris has a bad CV regarding places to eat out. in fact he has a bad CV with plenty of schemes that have failed. This is his Swan Song before he is booted out along with the other other Labour Party dinosaurs who have had a culture of denial for the political gains we all know about.
Cliff Morris has a bad CV regarding places to eat out. in fact he has a bad CV with plenty of schemes that have failed. This is his Swan Song before he is booted out along with the other other Labour Party dinosaurs who have had a culture of denial for the political gains we all know about. thomas222
  • Score: 68

8:23am Sun 31 Aug 14

Hollieanne says...

oftbewildered2 wrote:
Obviously these two would-be MPs have no idea how public sector funding works. It is not Bolton's fault - it is the system. You either use it or lose it and get a reduction next year as you are seen as to not need it. Crazy I know - but we have to go along with it.
So use it on improving the roads then or building another school to accommodate the growing pupil numbers not ANOTHER Labour vanity project!!
[quote][p][bold]oftbewildered2[/bold] wrote: Obviously these two would-be MPs have no idea how public sector funding works. It is not Bolton's fault - it is the system. You either use it or lose it and get a reduction next year as you are seen as to not need it. Crazy I know - but we have to go along with it.[/p][/quote]So use it on improving the roads then or building another school to accommodate the growing pupil numbers not ANOTHER Labour vanity project!! Hollieanne
  • Score: 59

8:27am Sun 31 Aug 14

Bilulek says...

Yeah let's have nice 21sr century Albert Halls in a town no one wants too go to...full of empty shops, charity rubbish filled windows and poundshops. I bet food in that 1million quid upmarket restaurant will taste even better with such surroundings. Agree with the guys, waste of money
Yeah let's have nice 21sr century Albert Halls in a town no one wants too go to...full of empty shops, charity rubbish filled windows and poundshops. I bet food in that 1million quid upmarket restaurant will taste even better with such surroundings. Agree with the guys, waste of money Bilulek
  • Score: 51

8:34am Sun 31 Aug 14

Marzi30 says...

Cliff Morris should check the number of people in Bolton now reliant upon food banks before announcing his pie in the sky regeneration ideas on introducing "up market" restaurants. If this money can be spent on roads and schools then spend it on roads and schools, doesn't really take a genius !!!
Cliff Morris should check the number of people in Bolton now reliant upon food banks before announcing his pie in the sky regeneration ideas on introducing "up market" restaurants. If this money can be spent on roads and schools then spend it on roads and schools, doesn't really take a genius !!! Marzi30
  • Score: 52

9:42am Sun 31 Aug 14

The Squire In Residence says...

There is a small hamlet of 12 properties, tucked away in a backwater off Crompton Way, that has people (mainly foreign visitors!) who come to visit the birthplace of Samuel Crompton - Firwood Fold. This area was Boltons first Conservation Area and all the buildings are listed. This corner of Bolton does it's own fund raising, and has tried - tirelessly - to keep the area looking good by it's own hard work. The place has had no money spent on it in nearly 40 years; apart from that which comes out of the residents own pockets/work. This last two years the residents have given up on weeding the cobbled highways, clearing litter and fixing fences. Have BMBC come along and carried out any of this work - NO. This despite one of our Executive Council members, Sufrana Bashir Ismail, living there. The councillor looks elsewhere to have taxpayers money spent - this says it all from Labour members I feel. It goes all the way, up and down the heirarchy in the Labour ranks - all the while missing out on the more important (however small a detail it may be) things on their doorstep. Typical!
There is a small hamlet of 12 properties, tucked away in a backwater off Crompton Way, that has people (mainly foreign visitors!) who come to visit the birthplace of Samuel Crompton - Firwood Fold. This area was Boltons first Conservation Area and all the buildings are listed. This corner of Bolton does it's own fund raising, and has tried - tirelessly - to keep the area looking good by it's own hard work. The place has had no money spent on it in nearly 40 years; apart from that which comes out of the residents own pockets/work. This last two years the residents have given up on weeding the cobbled highways, clearing litter and fixing fences. Have BMBC come along and carried out any of this work - NO. This despite one of our Executive Council members, Sufrana Bashir Ismail, living there. The councillor looks elsewhere to have taxpayers money spent - this says it all from Labour members I feel. It goes all the way, up and down the heirarchy in the Labour ranks - all the while missing out on the more important (however small a detail it may be) things on their doorstep. Typical! The Squire In Residence
  • Score: 67

9:59am Sun 31 Aug 14

Wolfie190 says...

Nobody can waste other peoples money like members of the labour party, they dont live in our world. Who votes for them ?
Nobody can waste other peoples money like members of the labour party, they dont live in our world. Who votes for them ? Wolfie190
  • Score: 40

10:02am Sun 31 Aug 14

LoveBolton says...

We all need to stop moaning and embrace this venture. This money has come for this project and cant be used for anything else. They have sold of buildings, will be moving out of rented building's. In the long run will be saving money. The restaurant may are may not be a success we dont know. But will bring income for the council. The council can't waste money on town centre shops
We all need to stop moaning and embrace this venture. This money has come for this project and cant be used for anything else. They have sold of buildings, will be moving out of rented building's. In the long run will be saving money. The restaurant may are may not be a success we dont know. But will bring income for the council. The council can't waste money on town centre shops LoveBolton
  • Score: -39

10:08am Sun 31 Aug 14

thomas222 says...

LoveBolton wrote:
We all need to stop moaning and embrace this venture. This money has come for this project and cant be used for anything else. They have sold of buildings, will be moving out of rented building's. In the long run will be saving money. The restaurant may are may not be a success we dont know. But will bring income for the council. The council can't waste money on town centre shops
Town center shops are the Town Center but its that much of a DUMP no retailers of any note will never move back here. Bolton is also a very poor Town to invest in. Would cliff open a top end cafe with his own money, he did once it went skint.
[quote][p][bold]LoveBolton[/bold] wrote: We all need to stop moaning and embrace this venture. This money has come for this project and cant be used for anything else. They have sold of buildings, will be moving out of rented building's. In the long run will be saving money. The restaurant may are may not be a success we dont know. But will bring income for the council. The council can't waste money on town centre shops[/p][/quote]Town center shops are the Town Center but its that much of a DUMP no retailers of any note will never move back here. Bolton is also a very poor Town to invest in. Would cliff open a top end cafe with his own money, he did once it went skint. thomas222
  • Score: 32

10:10am Sun 31 Aug 14

LoveBolton says...

LoveBolton wrote:
We all need to stop moaning and embrace this venture. This money has come for this project and cant be used for anything else. They have sold of buildings, will be moving out of rented building's. In the long run will be saving money. The restaurant may are may not be a success we dont know. But will bring income for the council. The council can't waste money on town centre shops
Council cant waste money on town centre shops that dont belong to them. They could spend thousands on shops new business then 6mths down the line the business shuts down because it was struggling. Landlords always give rent free periods to new tenants.
[quote][p][bold]LoveBolton[/bold] wrote: We all need to stop moaning and embrace this venture. This money has come for this project and cant be used for anything else. They have sold of buildings, will be moving out of rented building's. In the long run will be saving money. The restaurant may are may not be a success we dont know. But will bring income for the council. The council can't waste money on town centre shops[/p][/quote]Council cant waste money on town centre shops that dont belong to them. They could spend thousands on shops new business then 6mths down the line the business shuts down because it was struggling. Landlords always give rent free periods to new tenants. LoveBolton
  • Score: -12

10:10am Sun 31 Aug 14

eddie6149 says...

So the money CAN ONLY be used for improving SCHOOLS & ROADS. So what's the problem, all as we know are ok. Yet another crackpot idea, along with revamping the market hall, again., oddly with an upmarket restaurant
demolishing a cinema and then saying ok to one being built, demolishing almost 80+ houses to provide a "retail experience" near the university and don't get me started on houses been built on green belt land. I think most of us, the unblinkered ones, know how public funding works.
So the money CAN ONLY be used for improving SCHOOLS & ROADS. So what's the problem, all as we know are ok. Yet another crackpot idea, along with revamping the market hall, again., oddly with an upmarket restaurant demolishing a cinema and then saying ok to one being built, demolishing almost 80+ houses to provide a "retail experience" near the university and don't get me started on houses been built on green belt land. I think most of us, the unblinkered ones, know how public funding works. eddie6149
  • Score: 23

10:34am Sun 31 Aug 14

thedom.com says...

Build more mosques...
Build more mosques... thedom.com
  • Score: -30

11:23am Sun 31 Aug 14

Blackrod says...

Wonder how they would feel about a public vote on the matter, petrified would be my guess given I haven't met one person in favour of it!
Wonder how they would feel about a public vote on the matter, petrified would be my guess given I haven't met one person in favour of it! Blackrod
  • Score: 34

12:07pm Sun 31 Aug 14

LoveBolton says...

thomas222 wrote:
LoveBolton wrote:
We all need to stop moaning and embrace this venture. This money has come for this project and cant be used for anything else. They have sold of buildings, will be moving out of rented building's. In the long run will be saving money. The restaurant may are may not be a success we dont know. But will bring income for the council. The council can't waste money on town centre shops
Town center shops are the Town Center but its that much of a DUMP no retailers of any note will never move back here. Bolton is also a very poor Town to invest in. Would cliff open a top end cafe with his own money, he did once it went skint.
Bolton town centre aint that bad. I ve been to far worse places. Yeah we a have lot of empty shops. I m not sure if the the parking issues stopped a lot of shoppers coming most probably played a small part. Retail parks and Trafford centre aswell as internet shopping is the biggest issue. Nobody likes to pay for parking but as long as its reasonable which it has started to happen recently. Debenhams has a 90min free parking slot. Then you get charged. People moan about pound shops but they seem to be working always busy, at least they paying rent and rates to landlords and council keep the town going. Times are hard everywhere its always easy to blame the council. There is only so much they can do.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LoveBolton[/bold] wrote: We all need to stop moaning and embrace this venture. This money has come for this project and cant be used for anything else. They have sold of buildings, will be moving out of rented building's. In the long run will be saving money. The restaurant may are may not be a success we dont know. But will bring income for the council. The council can't waste money on town centre shops[/p][/quote]Town center shops are the Town Center but its that much of a DUMP no retailers of any note will never move back here. Bolton is also a very poor Town to invest in. Would cliff open a top end cafe with his own money, he did once it went skint.[/p][/quote]Bolton town centre aint that bad. I ve been to far worse places. Yeah we a have lot of empty shops. I m not sure if the the parking issues stopped a lot of shoppers coming most probably played a small part. Retail parks and Trafford centre aswell as internet shopping is the biggest issue. Nobody likes to pay for parking but as long as its reasonable which it has started to happen recently. Debenhams has a 90min free parking slot. Then you get charged. People moan about pound shops but they seem to be working always busy, at least they paying rent and rates to landlords and council keep the town going. Times are hard everywhere its always easy to blame the council. There is only so much they can do. LoveBolton
  • Score: -18

12:11pm Sun 31 Aug 14

thomas222 says...

LoveBolton wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
LoveBolton wrote:
We all need to stop moaning and embrace this venture. This money has come for this project and cant be used for anything else. They have sold of buildings, will be moving out of rented building's. In the long run will be saving money. The restaurant may are may not be a success we dont know. But will bring income for the council. The council can't waste money on town centre shops
Town center shops are the Town Center but its that much of a DUMP no retailers of any note will never move back here. Bolton is also a very poor Town to invest in. Would cliff open a top end cafe with his own money, he did once it went skint.
Bolton town centre aint that bad. I ve been to far worse places. Yeah we a have lot of empty shops. I m not sure if the the parking issues stopped a lot of shoppers coming most probably played a small part. Retail parks and Trafford centre aswell as internet shopping is the biggest issue. Nobody likes to pay for parking but as long as its reasonable which it has started to happen recently. Debenhams has a 90min free parking slot. Then you get charged. People moan about pound shops but they seem to be working always busy, at least they paying rent and rates to landlords and council keep the town going. Times are hard everywhere its always easy to blame the council. There is only so much they can do.
Why is Bury booming and we are bust ?
[quote][p][bold]LoveBolton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LoveBolton[/bold] wrote: We all need to stop moaning and embrace this venture. This money has come for this project and cant be used for anything else. They have sold of buildings, will be moving out of rented building's. In the long run will be saving money. The restaurant may are may not be a success we dont know. But will bring income for the council. The council can't waste money on town centre shops[/p][/quote]Town center shops are the Town Center but its that much of a DUMP no retailers of any note will never move back here. Bolton is also a very poor Town to invest in. Would cliff open a top end cafe with his own money, he did once it went skint.[/p][/quote]Bolton town centre aint that bad. I ve been to far worse places. Yeah we a have lot of empty shops. I m not sure if the the parking issues stopped a lot of shoppers coming most probably played a small part. Retail parks and Trafford centre aswell as internet shopping is the biggest issue. Nobody likes to pay for parking but as long as its reasonable which it has started to happen recently. Debenhams has a 90min free parking slot. Then you get charged. People moan about pound shops but they seem to be working always busy, at least they paying rent and rates to landlords and council keep the town going. Times are hard everywhere its always easy to blame the council. There is only so much they can do.[/p][/quote]Why is Bury booming and we are bust ? thomas222
  • Score: 32

1:22pm Sun 31 Aug 14

LoveBolton says...

thomas222 wrote:
LoveBolton wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
LoveBolton wrote:
We all need to stop moaning and embrace this venture. This money has come for this project and cant be used for anything else. They have sold of buildings, will be moving out of rented building's. In the long run will be saving money. The restaurant may are may not be a success we dont know. But will bring income for the council. The council can't waste money on town centre shops
Town center shops are the Town Center but its that much of a DUMP no retailers of any note will never move back here. Bolton is also a very poor Town to invest in. Would cliff open a top end cafe with his own money, he did once it went skint.
Bolton town centre aint that bad. I ve been to far worse places. Yeah we a have lot of empty shops. I m not sure if the the parking issues stopped a lot of shoppers coming most probably played a small part. Retail parks and Trafford centre aswell as internet shopping is the biggest issue. Nobody likes to pay for parking but as long as its reasonable which it has started to happen recently. Debenhams has a 90min free parking slot. Then you get charged. People moan about pound shops but they seem to be working always busy, at least they paying rent and rates to landlords and council keep the town going. Times are hard everywhere its always easy to blame the council. There is only so much they can do.
Why is Bury booming and we are bust ?
You can't compare Bury to Bolton. Bury town itself as well as the town centre is tiny compared to Bolton so bury will look busy. We have a couple of retail parks, also the town centre itself has different parts. Market Hall, Crompton Place as well Victoria sq, outdoor market and not forgetting deansgate churchgate area. The town centre area is very large compared to small towns like Bury. People have even mentioned Wigan before even that town centre is small compared to Bolton. I was a retailer in Wigan for many years and it was not all that even now most shops are closed in Wigan town centre. The grass may seem to be greener on the other side but as we all know its not always the case. If we stop shopping in Bolton town centre then the shops will have no choice to close. Just like the chippy that closed we cant blame the landlords and council if we the shoppers are not going to the chippy.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LoveBolton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LoveBolton[/bold] wrote: We all need to stop moaning and embrace this venture. This money has come for this project and cant be used for anything else. They have sold of buildings, will be moving out of rented building's. In the long run will be saving money. The restaurant may are may not be a success we dont know. But will bring income for the council. The council can't waste money on town centre shops[/p][/quote]Town center shops are the Town Center but its that much of a DUMP no retailers of any note will never move back here. Bolton is also a very poor Town to invest in. Would cliff open a top end cafe with his own money, he did once it went skint.[/p][/quote]Bolton town centre aint that bad. I ve been to far worse places. Yeah we a have lot of empty shops. I m not sure if the the parking issues stopped a lot of shoppers coming most probably played a small part. Retail parks and Trafford centre aswell as internet shopping is the biggest issue. Nobody likes to pay for parking but as long as its reasonable which it has started to happen recently. Debenhams has a 90min free parking slot. Then you get charged. People moan about pound shops but they seem to be working always busy, at least they paying rent and rates to landlords and council keep the town going. Times are hard everywhere its always easy to blame the council. There is only so much they can do.[/p][/quote]Why is Bury booming and we are bust ?[/p][/quote]You can't compare Bury to Bolton. Bury town itself as well as the town centre is tiny compared to Bolton so bury will look busy. We have a couple of retail parks, also the town centre itself has different parts. Market Hall, Crompton Place as well Victoria sq, outdoor market and not forgetting deansgate churchgate area. The town centre area is very large compared to small towns like Bury. People have even mentioned Wigan before even that town centre is small compared to Bolton. I was a retailer in Wigan for many years and it was not all that even now most shops are closed in Wigan town centre. The grass may seem to be greener on the other side but as we all know its not always the case. If we stop shopping in Bolton town centre then the shops will have no choice to close. Just like the chippy that closed we cant blame the landlords and council if we the shoppers are not going to the chippy. LoveBolton
  • Score: -16

1:26pm Sun 31 Aug 14

thedom.com says...

2 muslim males ,knocking on doors in Melville street/ Bradford road area of great lever promoting Islamic states .wonder if **** news investigate and do a story on this ? Disgraceful Bolton shithole for you
2 muslim males ,knocking on doors in Melville street/ Bradford road area of great lever promoting Islamic states .wonder if **** news investigate and do a story on this ? Disgraceful Bolton shithole for you thedom.com
  • Score: 13

2:05pm Sun 31 Aug 14

BRIGHTMILLS says...

Is it true that the charity shops receive 75% reduction in their council tax/ rates off our local council if so that could be a reason for so many of them. Also has anyone else heard the rumour about a radical rethink about the site of our new bus station, not much seems to be happening lately.
Is it true that the charity shops receive 75% reduction in their council tax/ rates off our local council if so that could be a reason for so many of them. Also has anyone else heard the rumour about a radical rethink about the site of our new bus station, not much seems to be happening lately. BRIGHTMILLS
  • Score: 11

2:35pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Beyond News Forum says...

So now it is a story when the Tories state that this is a waste of money when most of Bolton already stated exactly the same thing.
So now it is a story when the Tories state that this is a waste of money when most of Bolton already stated exactly the same thing. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 5

2:45pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Beyond News Forum says...

At least the toffs will be able to pay for parking and the associated fines for overstaying. Maybe they could even hire an expensive solicitor to get them out of paying the fine.

Of all the ridiculous ventures in recent years this goes down as one of the most adventurously idiotic.

This whole debacle of the council versus the town centre has become nothing more than a huge joke.

The town centre is a dead donkey, it is not moving anywhere but to a deep grave.

What is needed is a huge overhaul... the renovation of The Albert Halls is NOT the way to go. The incessant need to improve a building that houses the council and screws over the public via its services is tad amount to a huge fraud against the public and taxpayers of this town, regardless of where the money is coming from.

Bolton WAS the jewel of northern towns... now it is nothing more than a laughing stock of regional giants around us.
At least the toffs will be able to pay for parking and the associated fines for overstaying. Maybe they could even hire an expensive solicitor to get them out of paying the fine. Of all the ridiculous ventures in recent years this goes down as one of the most adventurously idiotic. This whole debacle of the council versus the town centre has become nothing more than a huge joke. The town centre is a dead donkey, it is not moving anywhere but to a deep grave. What is needed is a huge overhaul... the renovation of The Albert Halls is NOT the way to go. The incessant need to improve a building that houses the council and screws over the public via its services is tad amount to a huge fraud against the public and taxpayers of this town, regardless of where the money is coming from. Bolton WAS the jewel of northern towns... now it is nothing more than a laughing stock of regional giants around us. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 19

2:48pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Wolfie190 says...

LoveBolton wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
LoveBolton wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
LoveBolton wrote:
We all need to stop moaning and embrace this venture. This money has come for this project and cant be used for anything else. They have sold of buildings, will be moving out of rented building's. In the long run will be saving money. The restaurant may are may not be a success we dont know. But will bring income for the council. The council can't waste money on town centre shops
Town center shops are the Town Center but its that much of a DUMP no retailers of any note will never move back here. Bolton is also a very poor Town to invest in. Would cliff open a top end cafe with his own money, he did once it went skint.
Bolton town centre aint that bad. I ve been to far worse places. Yeah we a have lot of empty shops. I m not sure if the the parking issues stopped a lot of shoppers coming most probably played a small part. Retail parks and Trafford centre aswell as internet shopping is the biggest issue. Nobody likes to pay for parking but as long as its reasonable which it has started to happen recently. Debenhams has a 90min free parking slot. Then you get charged. People moan about pound shops but they seem to be working always busy, at least they paying rent and rates to landlords and council keep the town going. Times are hard everywhere its always easy to blame the council. There is only so much they can do.
Why is Bury booming and we are bust ?
You can't compare Bury to Bolton. Bury town itself as well as the town centre is tiny compared to Bolton so bury will look busy. We have a couple of retail parks, also the town centre itself has different parts. Market Hall, Crompton Place as well Victoria sq, outdoor market and not forgetting deansgate churchgate area. The town centre area is very large compared to small towns like Bury. People have even mentioned Wigan before even that town centre is small compared to Bolton. I was a retailer in Wigan for many years and it was not all that even now most shops are closed in Wigan town centre. The grass may seem to be greener on the other side but as we all know its not always the case. If we stop shopping in Bolton town centre then the shops will have no choice to close. Just like the chippy that closed we cant blame the landlords and council if we the shoppers are not going to the chippy.
No when I went to Bury market I was shocked how busy that and the town was with loads of people on coach trips I heard later.
[quote][p][bold]LoveBolton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LoveBolton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LoveBolton[/bold] wrote: We all need to stop moaning and embrace this venture. This money has come for this project and cant be used for anything else. They have sold of buildings, will be moving out of rented building's. In the long run will be saving money. The restaurant may are may not be a success we dont know. But will bring income for the council. The council can't waste money on town centre shops[/p][/quote]Town center shops are the Town Center but its that much of a DUMP no retailers of any note will never move back here. Bolton is also a very poor Town to invest in. Would cliff open a top end cafe with his own money, he did once it went skint.[/p][/quote]Bolton town centre aint that bad. I ve been to far worse places. Yeah we a have lot of empty shops. I m not sure if the the parking issues stopped a lot of shoppers coming most probably played a small part. Retail parks and Trafford centre aswell as internet shopping is the biggest issue. Nobody likes to pay for parking but as long as its reasonable which it has started to happen recently. Debenhams has a 90min free parking slot. Then you get charged. People moan about pound shops but they seem to be working always busy, at least they paying rent and rates to landlords and council keep the town going. Times are hard everywhere its always easy to blame the council. There is only so much they can do.[/p][/quote]Why is Bury booming and we are bust ?[/p][/quote]You can't compare Bury to Bolton. Bury town itself as well as the town centre is tiny compared to Bolton so bury will look busy. We have a couple of retail parks, also the town centre itself has different parts. Market Hall, Crompton Place as well Victoria sq, outdoor market and not forgetting deansgate churchgate area. The town centre area is very large compared to small towns like Bury. People have even mentioned Wigan before even that town centre is small compared to Bolton. I was a retailer in Wigan for many years and it was not all that even now most shops are closed in Wigan town centre. The grass may seem to be greener on the other side but as we all know its not always the case. If we stop shopping in Bolton town centre then the shops will have no choice to close. Just like the chippy that closed we cant blame the landlords and council if we the shoppers are not going to the chippy.[/p][/quote]No when I went to Bury market I was shocked how busy that and the town was with loads of people on coach trips I heard later. Wolfie190
  • Score: 11

4:06pm Sun 31 Aug 14

LordLeverhulme says...

"Leader of Bolton Council Cllr Cliff Morris insisted the money used to pay for the renovation was out of capital funding, which is allocated for major schemes such as building or improving roads, schools or buildings"


So he's admitted that instead of spending the money on roads and schools.. he's spending it tarting up 'Cliff's Palace'

Shameful.
"Leader of Bolton Council Cllr Cliff Morris insisted the money used to pay for the renovation was out of capital funding, which is allocated for major schemes such as building or improving roads, schools or buildings" So he's admitted that instead of spending the money on roads and schools.. he's spending it tarting up 'Cliff's Palace' Shameful. LordLeverhulme
  • Score: 22

6:35pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Daisyhillbilly says...

One solution would be to spend 200k on a refurb of the Albert Halls ,some paint ,new doors ,seats etc then tender the running out for a 5 year period to an entertainments company.No further cost to the Council and a reasonable income , and if possible negotiate a percentage of any profits .this would also bring fresh ideas which may help reinvigorate the public interest in the place.
The remaining monies could be used to benefit ALL the tax payers of Bolton and not just a few.
One solution would be to spend 200k on a refurb of the Albert Halls ,some paint ,new doors ,seats etc then tender the running out for a 5 year period to an entertainments company.No further cost to the Council and a reasonable income , and if possible negotiate a percentage of any profits .this would also bring fresh ideas which may help reinvigorate the public interest in the place. The remaining monies could be used to benefit ALL the tax payers of Bolton and not just a few. Daisyhillbilly
  • Score: 3

6:44pm Sun 31 Aug 14

wsw69 says...

That's why I always refer to it as The Clown Hall. It has more clowns that Billy Smarts Circus, The Blackpool Tower Circus and all other circuses put together.

Ahhh yes, Cliff Morris, a face even his own mother couldn't love!

Cliff 'c*****t' Morris and his merry band of idiots are stealing a living and completely f**king up what was once a wonderful town centre. The sooner this pr1ck with ears and his useless cronies are fired off, the better.

And that is from a life-long Labour voter!
That's why I always refer to it as The Clown Hall. It has more clowns that Billy Smarts Circus, The Blackpool Tower Circus and all other circuses put together. Ahhh yes, Cliff Morris, a face even his own mother couldn't love! Cliff 'c*****t' Morris and his merry band of idiots are stealing a living and completely f**king up what was once a wonderful town centre. The sooner this pr1ck with ears and his useless cronies are fired off, the better. And that is from a life-long Labour voter! wsw69
  • Score: 22

7:19pm Sun 31 Aug 14

eddie6149 says...

The Ship of Fools is an allegory, originating from Plato. The allegory depicts a vessel populated by inhabitants who are deranged, frivolous or oblivious passengers aboard a ship without a leader. Now think Bolton Council and it all seems to make sense.
The Ship of Fools is an allegory, originating from Plato. The allegory depicts a vessel populated by inhabitants who are deranged, frivolous or oblivious passengers aboard a ship without a leader. Now think Bolton Council and it all seems to make sense. eddie6149
  • Score: 7

7:42pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Lesmathes17 says...

LoveBolton wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
LoveBolton wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
LoveBolton wrote:
We all need to stop moaning and embrace this venture. This money has come for this project and cant be used for anything else. They have sold of buildings, will be moving out of rented building's. In the long run will be saving money. The restaurant may are may not be a success we dont know. But will bring income for the council. The council can't waste money on town centre shops
Town center shops are the Town Center but its that much of a DUMP no retailers of any note will never move back here. Bolton is also a very poor Town to invest in. Would cliff open a top end cafe with his own money, he did once it went skint.
Bolton town centre aint that bad. I ve been to far worse places. Yeah we a have lot of empty shops. I m not sure if the the parking issues stopped a lot of shoppers coming most probably played a small part. Retail parks and Trafford centre aswell as internet shopping is the biggest issue. Nobody likes to pay for parking but as long as its reasonable which it has started to happen recently. Debenhams has a 90min free parking slot. Then you get charged. People moan about pound shops but they seem to be working always busy, at least they paying rent and rates to landlords and council keep the town going. Times are hard everywhere its always easy to blame the council. There is only so much they can do.
Why is Bury booming and we are bust ?
You can't compare Bury to Bolton. Bury town itself as well as the town centre is tiny compared to Bolton so bury will look busy. We have a couple of retail parks, also the town centre itself has different parts. Market Hall, Crompton Place as well Victoria sq, outdoor market and not forgetting deansgate churchgate area. The town centre area is very large compared to small towns like Bury. People have even mentioned Wigan before even that town centre is small compared to Bolton. I was a retailer in Wigan for many years and it was not all that even now most shops are closed in Wigan town centre. The grass may seem to be greener on the other side but as we all know its not always the case. If we stop shopping in Bolton town centre then the shops will have no choice to close. Just like the chippy that closed we cant blame the landlords and council if we the shoppers are not going to the chippy.
You certainly can't compare Bury or Wigan to Bolton! I worked for a major retailer that operate in both towns. Bury and Wigan are booming compared to Bolton. How many empty units do they have in the Grand Arcade? Zero last time I went. If I go to Bolton now, it's because I need to visit the bank. I park on the Market Place ( free!) and go home.
[quote][p][bold]LoveBolton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LoveBolton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LoveBolton[/bold] wrote: We all need to stop moaning and embrace this venture. This money has come for this project and cant be used for anything else. They have sold of buildings, will be moving out of rented building's. In the long run will be saving money. The restaurant may are may not be a success we dont know. But will bring income for the council. The council can't waste money on town centre shops[/p][/quote]Town center shops are the Town Center but its that much of a DUMP no retailers of any note will never move back here. Bolton is also a very poor Town to invest in. Would cliff open a top end cafe with his own money, he did once it went skint.[/p][/quote]Bolton town centre aint that bad. I ve been to far worse places. Yeah we a have lot of empty shops. I m not sure if the the parking issues stopped a lot of shoppers coming most probably played a small part. Retail parks and Trafford centre aswell as internet shopping is the biggest issue. Nobody likes to pay for parking but as long as its reasonable which it has started to happen recently. Debenhams has a 90min free parking slot. Then you get charged. People moan about pound shops but they seem to be working always busy, at least they paying rent and rates to landlords and council keep the town going. Times are hard everywhere its always easy to blame the council. There is only so much they can do.[/p][/quote]Why is Bury booming and we are bust ?[/p][/quote]You can't compare Bury to Bolton. Bury town itself as well as the town centre is tiny compared to Bolton so bury will look busy. We have a couple of retail parks, also the town centre itself has different parts. Market Hall, Crompton Place as well Victoria sq, outdoor market and not forgetting deansgate churchgate area. The town centre area is very large compared to small towns like Bury. People have even mentioned Wigan before even that town centre is small compared to Bolton. I was a retailer in Wigan for many years and it was not all that even now most shops are closed in Wigan town centre. The grass may seem to be greener on the other side but as we all know its not always the case. If we stop shopping in Bolton town centre then the shops will have no choice to close. Just like the chippy that closed we cant blame the landlords and council if we the shoppers are not going to the chippy.[/p][/quote]You certainly can't compare Bury or Wigan to Bolton! I worked for a major retailer that operate in both towns. Bury and Wigan are booming compared to Bolton. How many empty units do they have in the Grand Arcade? Zero last time I went. If I go to Bolton now, it's because I need to visit the bank. I park on the Market Place ( free!) and go home. Lesmathes17
  • Score: 3

9:50pm Sun 31 Aug 14

dominoman says...

thomas222 wrote:
LoveBolton wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
LoveBolton wrote:
We all need to stop moaning and embrace this venture. This money has come for this project and cant be used for anything else. They have sold of buildings, will be moving out of rented building's. In the long run will be saving money. The restaurant may are may not be a success we dont know. But will bring income for the council. The council can't waste money on town centre shops
Town center shops are the Town Center but its that much of a DUMP no retailers of any note will never move back here. Bolton is also a very poor Town to invest in. Would cliff open a top end cafe with his own money, he did once it went skint.
Bolton town centre aint that bad. I ve been to far worse places. Yeah we a have lot of empty shops. I m not sure if the the parking issues stopped a lot of shoppers coming most probably played a small part. Retail parks and Trafford centre aswell as internet shopping is the biggest issue. Nobody likes to pay for parking but as long as its reasonable which it has started to happen recently. Debenhams has a 90min free parking slot. Then you get charged. People moan about pound shops but they seem to be working always busy, at least they paying rent and rates to landlords and council keep the town going. Times are hard everywhere its always easy to blame the council. There is only so much they can do.
Why is Bury booming and we are bust ?
Because here in Bury we don't have the tories selling everything off & privatising everything they can.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LoveBolton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LoveBolton[/bold] wrote: We all need to stop moaning and embrace this venture. This money has come for this project and cant be used for anything else. They have sold of buildings, will be moving out of rented building's. In the long run will be saving money. The restaurant may are may not be a success we dont know. But will bring income for the council. The council can't waste money on town centre shops[/p][/quote]Town center shops are the Town Center but its that much of a DUMP no retailers of any note will never move back here. Bolton is also a very poor Town to invest in. Would cliff open a top end cafe with his own money, he did once it went skint.[/p][/quote]Bolton town centre aint that bad. I ve been to far worse places. Yeah we a have lot of empty shops. I m not sure if the the parking issues stopped a lot of shoppers coming most probably played a small part. Retail parks and Trafford centre aswell as internet shopping is the biggest issue. Nobody likes to pay for parking but as long as its reasonable which it has started to happen recently. Debenhams has a 90min free parking slot. Then you get charged. People moan about pound shops but they seem to be working always busy, at least they paying rent and rates to landlords and council keep the town going. Times are hard everywhere its always easy to blame the council. There is only so much they can do.[/p][/quote]Why is Bury booming and we are bust ?[/p][/quote]Because here in Bury we don't have the tories selling everything off & privatising everything they can. dominoman
  • Score: -11

10:25pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Ebola Bertie says...

LoveBolton wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
LoveBolton wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
LoveBolton wrote:
We all need to stop moaning and embrace this venture. This money has come for this project and cant be used for anything else. They have sold of buildings, will be moving out of rented building's. In the long run will be saving money. The restaurant may are may not be a success we dont know. But will bring income for the council. The council can't waste money on town centre shops
Town center shops are the Town Center but its that much of a DUMP no retailers of any note will never move back here. Bolton is also a very poor Town to invest in. Would cliff open a top end cafe with his own money, he did once it went skint.
Bolton town centre aint that bad. I ve been to far worse places. Yeah we a have lot of empty shops. I m not sure if the the parking issues stopped a lot of shoppers coming most probably played a small part. Retail parks and Trafford centre aswell as internet shopping is the biggest issue. Nobody likes to pay for parking but as long as its reasonable which it has started to happen recently. Debenhams has a 90min free parking slot. Then you get charged. People moan about pound shops but they seem to be working always busy, at least they paying rent and rates to landlords and council keep the town going. Times are hard everywhere its always easy to blame the council. There is only so much they can do.
Why is Bury booming and we are bust ?
You can't compare Bury to Bolton. Bury town itself as well as the town centre is tiny compared to Bolton so bury will look busy. We have a couple of retail parks, also the town centre itself has different parts. Market Hall, Crompton Place as well Victoria sq, outdoor market and not forgetting deansgate churchgate area. The town centre area is very large compared to small towns like Bury. People have even mentioned Wigan before even that town centre is small compared to Bolton. I was a retailer in Wigan for many years and it was not all that even now most shops are closed in Wigan town centre. The grass may seem to be greener on the other side but as we all know its not always the case. If we stop shopping in Bolton town centre then the shops will have no choice to close. Just like the chippy that closed we cant blame the landlords and council if we the shoppers are not going to the chippy.
Don't talk out of your tail pipe, even though Bury is smaller they get more shoppers !! blows your argument out of the water doesn't it ??
[quote][p][bold]LoveBolton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LoveBolton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LoveBolton[/bold] wrote: We all need to stop moaning and embrace this venture. This money has come for this project and cant be used for anything else. They have sold of buildings, will be moving out of rented building's. In the long run will be saving money. The restaurant may are may not be a success we dont know. But will bring income for the council. The council can't waste money on town centre shops[/p][/quote]Town center shops are the Town Center but its that much of a DUMP no retailers of any note will never move back here. Bolton is also a very poor Town to invest in. Would cliff open a top end cafe with his own money, he did once it went skint.[/p][/quote]Bolton town centre aint that bad. I ve been to far worse places. Yeah we a have lot of empty shops. I m not sure if the the parking issues stopped a lot of shoppers coming most probably played a small part. Retail parks and Trafford centre aswell as internet shopping is the biggest issue. Nobody likes to pay for parking but as long as its reasonable which it has started to happen recently. Debenhams has a 90min free parking slot. Then you get charged. People moan about pound shops but they seem to be working always busy, at least they paying rent and rates to landlords and council keep the town going. Times are hard everywhere its always easy to blame the council. There is only so much they can do.[/p][/quote]Why is Bury booming and we are bust ?[/p][/quote]You can't compare Bury to Bolton. Bury town itself as well as the town centre is tiny compared to Bolton so bury will look busy. We have a couple of retail parks, also the town centre itself has different parts. Market Hall, Crompton Place as well Victoria sq, outdoor market and not forgetting deansgate churchgate area. The town centre area is very large compared to small towns like Bury. People have even mentioned Wigan before even that town centre is small compared to Bolton. I was a retailer in Wigan for many years and it was not all that even now most shops are closed in Wigan town centre. The grass may seem to be greener on the other side but as we all know its not always the case. If we stop shopping in Bolton town centre then the shops will have no choice to close. Just like the chippy that closed we cant blame the landlords and council if we the shoppers are not going to the chippy.[/p][/quote]Don't talk out of your tail pipe, even though Bury is smaller they get more shoppers !! blows your argument out of the water doesn't it ?? Ebola Bertie
  • Score: 10

11:41pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Robert2012 says...

I'd use the money to compulsory purchase some of the hovels these southern based landlords have left in our town, starting from the bottom of bradshawgate up to the Balmoral, demolish the lot. Then start working your way around up great moor street.

With a bit of luck we can put Morris and his band of incompetents in the rubble and bury the lot of them.
I'd use the money to compulsory purchase some of the hovels these southern based landlords have left in our town, starting from the bottom of bradshawgate up to the Balmoral, demolish the lot. Then start working your way around up great moor street. With a bit of luck we can put Morris and his band of incompetents in the rubble and bury the lot of them. Robert2012
  • Score: 14

12:41am Mon 1 Sep 14

Wolfie190 says...

Robert2012 wrote:
I'd use the money to compulsory purchase some of the hovels these southern based landlords have left in our town, starting from the bottom of bradshawgate up to the Balmoral, demolish the lot. Then start working your way around up great moor street.

With a bit of luck we can put Morris and his band of incompetents in the rubble and bury the lot of them.
Non of our dwindling old buildings I hope leave the destruction to our council.
[quote][p][bold]Robert2012[/bold] wrote: I'd use the money to compulsory purchase some of the hovels these southern based landlords have left in our town, starting from the bottom of bradshawgate up to the Balmoral, demolish the lot. Then start working your way around up great moor street. With a bit of luck we can put Morris and his band of incompetents in the rubble and bury the lot of them.[/p][/quote]Non of our dwindling old buildings I hope leave the destruction to our council. Wolfie190
  • Score: 0

9:23am Mon 1 Sep 14

Cheeseware says...

"Leader of Bolton Council Cllr Cliff Morris insisted the money used to pay for the renovation was out of capital funding, which is allocated for major schemes such as building or improving roads, schools or buildings. "

I can think of dozens of roads in Bolton that need improving - there's absolutely no point tarting up the Town Hall like this when nobody goes into town anymore - Mr Morris needs to understand the phrase 'you can't polish a t*rd'
"Leader of Bolton Council Cllr Cliff Morris insisted the money used to pay for the renovation was out of capital funding, which is allocated for major schemes such as building or improving roads, schools or buildings. " I can think of dozens of roads in Bolton that need improving - there's absolutely no point tarting up the Town Hall like this when nobody goes into town anymore - Mr Morris needs to understand the phrase 'you can't polish a t*rd' Cheeseware
  • Score: 3

10:09am Mon 1 Sep 14

LordLeverhulme says...

And I wouldn't take any notice of that 'artists impression' either.

Just Google for the artists impression of the 'new' market and then look at the result, £4.5M later.
And I wouldn't take any notice of that 'artists impression' either. Just Google for the artists impression of the 'new' market and then look at the result, £4.5M later. LordLeverhulme
  • Score: 0

8:54pm Mon 1 Sep 14

johnnykilroy4 says...

The way i look at it if Bolton council want to waste £6.5 million that's there business just hope it pays off.
The way i look at it if Bolton council want to waste £6.5 million that's there business just hope it pays off. johnnykilroy4
  • Score: 0

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