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Tory MP in teen talks
8:57pm Monday 22nd October 2007
Comments (43)TORY frontbencher Francis Maude chatted to youngsters in Hall i'th' Wood about plans which will see 3,500 borough teenagers handed £35 a month to keep off the streets.
Mr Maude chatted to five young people involved in a Bolton Lads and Girls Club project which has been backed the party's parliamentary candidate for Bolton North-east, Deborah Dunleavy.
The shadow cabinet office minister, in Bolton for a fundraising dinner for Ms Dunleavy's campaign, was told only some of the youngsters involved in the project would be likely to qualify for the grant.
From April, Bolton will be one of nine towns piloting the scheme, which was opposed by Ms Dunleavy in a fringe speech at the recent party conference.
The money will go to youngsters from disadvantaged backgrounds, such as those in care or those receiving free school meals.
She said: "I am pleased that Francis was able to join me to see how money allocated to this scheme could be better spent.
"It is places like the Lads and Girls Club that provide excellent services for these young people - a £35 voucher will not encourage the town's young people to partake in similar services."
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Bilbo Joe, Ont' pewt says...
10:06pm Mon 22 Oct 07
erichyland wrote:"TORY frontbencher Francis Maude chatted to youngsters in Hall i'th' Wood Hall i'th Wood being the Kensington of Bolton? ****! Have a word with yourself!
Francis Maude and the hopeful Ms.D. Dunleavy are not at all interested in the teenagers from disadvantaged backgrounds. Tax cuts for the rich i.e. abolish inheritance tax is their priority.
P, says...
10:12pm Mon 22 Oct 07
william gallagher, says...
10:19pm Mon 22 Oct 07
P wrote:It's not that at all it's the kids that cant afford to go out to the cinema or buy a bag of chips or a game to play rather than stand on corners so you have got it wrong here not all teenagers can afford the luxury of going out and being part of the good soceity so get off your high horse.
So once again, it's the good kids that get penalised. Why aren't all teenagers rewarded? It doesn't pay in today's society to be a good citizen. You get nothing for that. Hang around on street corners terrorising people and you will get paid to stop! Nice one. NOT.
Walter Scott, Bolton says...
10:26pm Mon 22 Oct 07
dear anti yobs, breightmet says...
10:37pm Mon 22 Oct 07
Walter Scott wrote:there is such a thing called every child matters so if the haulgh aren't getting anything then that should be changed in an instant i believe the haulgh have just as much as we do in breightmet especialy since that dear pensioner was mugged on her way to church how is she
Well said to William. However at the expense of many neighbourhoods The lads and girls club get a lot of money from the council .Guess how much we get in The Haulgh------NOTHING
P, says...
10:41pm Mon 22 Oct 07
dear anti yobs, breightmet says...
10:47pm Mon 22 Oct 07
P wrote:i think it is for low income families aswell so give it a go they can only say no but most likely say yesyou wont know until you try
My high horse? I wished that I had the money to let my children go to the cinema or bowling whenever they wanted. I lived on a budget and could ill afford much after paying all my outgoings! Just because I worked didn't mean I was loaded, quite the opposite. I would probably have been better off on benefits. There are probably hundreds of other families in my position, so why can't all teenagers be treated equally?
william gallagher, says...
11:09pm Mon 22 Oct 07
dear anti yobs wrote:I dont often agree with day but on this occasion i will you come on here and shout your mouth off at the fact the goverment are trying to deal with the ever growing problem on anti social behaviour and do some good for all those kids whom cant afford lifes little luxurys this then lets these kids be treated as equals as you said you go on about hundreds of other families what about the 3,500 dont they count then are they not as important as the next one.
P wrote: My high horse? I wished that I had the money to let my children go to the cinema or bowling whenever they wanted. I lived on a budget and could ill afford much after paying all my outgoings! Just because I worked didn't mean I was loaded, quite the opposite. I would probably have been better off on benefits. There are probably hundreds of other families in my position, so why can't all teenagers be treated equally?i think it is for low income families aswell so give it a go they can only say no but most likely say yesyou wont know until you try
P, says...
11:11pm Mon 22 Oct 07
Bilbo Joe, Ont' pewt says...
11:12pm Mon 22 Oct 07
Walter Scott wrote:That's as much as you deserve. Why not concentrate on bringing them up properly and teaching them worthwhile pursuits? Hey, maybe even pointing them in the direction of the Lads and Girls Club? Rather than absolving yourself of any responsibility and simply apportioning the blame, try sorting it out! 'Boo hooo, our kids drink cider outside the local shops and it's everyone's fault but our own. We're too busy playing bloody Bingo'.
Well said to William. However at the expense of many neighbourhoods The lads and girls club get a lot of money from the council .Guess how much we get in The Haulgh------NOTHING
P, says...
11:36pm Mon 22 Oct 07
responsibility for these kids who are allowed to roam the streets? I'm one of ten children and as a kid we made our own entertainment and believe me if anybody had come knocking at our door complaining about our behaviour, we knew about it. There was no way my mum or dad could afford to give us the money to go off to the cinema on a regular basis. I think the government need to start looking at the long term problem of teenagers hanging around on the streets instead of dealing with the short term. More youth clubs, free sports facilities and maybe some parenting classes to help support these families.
BoltonDave, Tonge Moor says...
6:15am Tue 23 Oct 07
I grew up with 3 siblings in a single parent family from the age of 9 onwards, we had nothing, our clothes were second hand, along with any Xmas presents we might get. None of us hung around on street corners causing trouble, none of us have ever been in trouble with the police, along with the many friends we had that were in the same position. So you do-gooders stop your nanby pamby bleating about these so-called hard-up kids, they don't know the bloody meaning of being hard-up. The more you pamper them the worse it will get, the more you give them, the more they will want.
Boltonbloke, The Haulgh says...
8:02am Tue 23 Oct 07
blonde ambition, Farnworth says...
8:08am Tue 23 Oct 07
interested resident, says...
8:11am Tue 23 Oct 07
It sounds like protection money - like we used to pay the Vikings to keep away. It sounds a weak option.
What do they think the kids will spend the £35 on - comics, sweets??
In effect it will be condoning the drugs problem, which are likely to be taken at home rather than on the streets - that is, if the parents let them keep the money.
In addition, assuming that the project is meant for the best - how will the kids socialise and fit into society if we pay them to keep out of it
What message is all this sending to them?
It's almost as though it is cheaper than fitting a tracker device round their ankles.
I would rather see the money going towards outreach social workers.
don060541, devon says...
8:37am Tue 23 Oct 07
Not there money our money.
I watched a program on TV last night about the north yorkshire police.
One kid 11 yrs old out on the streets at 4.30 in the morning starting fires they took him home 1hr later he had run away and is swearing was terrible.
Another yob it took 5 officers to arrest him then he got let off with a suspended sentence they should have just tasered the scumbag and anyone else like is banshee so called wife screaming and kicking its about time this gov sat down and sorted it out once and for all do the crime do the time and i mean hard labour not the holiday camps they call prisons but no MP **** the balls to stand up and be counted.
boris, west sussex says...
9:27am Tue 23 Oct 07
King Eric, ......... says...
9:46am Tue 23 Oct 07
interested resident, says...
9:55am Tue 23 Oct 07
Boris from West Sussex?
Presumably you managed to get out of Bolton, go to nice areas, and don't have to put up with what is going on here then?
emma, bolton says...
10:28am Tue 23 Oct 07
Just a thought.
King Eric, ......... says...
10:29am Tue 23 Oct 07
Walter Scott, Bolton says...
11:09am Tue 23 Oct 07
Bilbo Joe wrote:You are way out of touch Bilboe with this post. Typical arms length comment .Get up off your A R S E and find out what is really going on --then you will be able to post an informed opinion which is relavent to the current situation in The Haulgh.
Walter Scott wrote: Well said to William. However at the expense of many neighbourhoods The lads and girls club get a lot of money from the council .Guess how much we get in The Haulgh------NOTHINGThat's as much as you deserve. Why not concentrate on bringing them up properly and teaching them worthwhile pursuits? Hey, maybe even pointing them in the direction of the Lads and Girls Club? Rather than absolving yourself of any responsibility and simply apportioning the blame, try sorting it out! 'Boo hooo, our kids drink cider outside the local shops and it's everyone's fault but our own. We're too busy playing bloody Bingo'.
Our kids were marred by relentless exposure to on street Pros,Pimps, Druggies ,Scrotes,Lay abouts on a daily basis.
Its not like that now but we need help to repair the damage it did to this community and to ensure it NEVER is allowed to slip back into the Hell Hole it once was.
The Haulgh Community Partnership
boltonblah, bolton says...
11:18am Tue 23 Oct 07
chas, suffolk says...
11:47am Tue 23 Oct 07
boris, west sussex says...
12:46pm Tue 23 Oct 07
You still think Bottler will win the next election??
Walter Scott, Bolton says...
1:07pm Tue 23 Oct 07
chas wrote:As far as The Haulgh is concerned Chas we don't have anything.
How is that part of Bolton off for outdoor sports facilities? The residents of my small town have had a go at our council for more and better facilities.
Like you we are negotiating ,at the moment, for this problem to be addressed.
The Haulgh Community Partnership
dear anti yobs, breightmet says...
2:01pm Tue 23 Oct 07
emma wrote:go emma get them told
why did all you lot that cant afford the upkeep of their kids have them in the first place? Iv got 3 children who have regular trips out and participate in loads of out of school activities all at a cost, but we can afford it. We get CHILD benefit like everyone else with kids under 16 working or not, and that goes towards paying for the stuff they want to do. Maybe you's who state you are on a budget and cant afford to let your kids go to the pictures or bowling, all have cars on finance, tv's on finance etc and your CHILD BENEFIT goes toward paying those off rather than benefiting the child? Just a thought.
dear anti yobs, breightmet says...
2:18pm Tue 23 Oct 07
Walter Scott wrote:the thing is they probably have never experienced the sort of culture that we have to live with every day deb dunceleavy come and live in our communities for a week with the same money as a single parent and see if you can cope with our day to day problems as you live in your big fancy home and well done to you but when someone as high class as yourself and that other want to be come on here and shooting down some realy possitive work to cut crime and get kids a better chance it get's right up my nose put your money where your mouth is
Bilbo Joe wrote:You are way out of touch Bilboe with this post. Typical arms length comment .Get up off your A R S E and find out what is really going on --then you will be able to post an informed opinion which is relavent to the current situation in The Haulgh. Our kids were marred by relentless exposure to on street Pros,Pimps, Druggies ,Scrotes,Lay abouts on a daily basis. Its not like that now but we need help to repair the damage it did to this community and to ensure it NEVER is allowed to slip back into the Hell Hole it once was. The Haulgh Community PartnershipWalter Scott wrote: Well said to William. However at the expense of many neighbourhoods The lads and girls club get a lot of money from the council .Guess how much we get in The Haulgh------NOTHINGThat's as much as you deserve. Why not concentrate on bringing them up properly and teaching them worthwhile pursuits? Hey, maybe even pointing them in the direction of the Lads and Girls Club? Rather than absolving yourself of any responsibility and simply apportioning the blame, try sorting it out! 'Boo hooo, our kids drink cider outside the local shops and it's everyone's fault but our own. We're too busy playing bloody Bingo'.
interested resident, says...
2:49pm Tue 23 Oct 07
King Eric wrote:There are really people that desperate then, Erica ;-)
I think you'll find they are simply two ranchpots who trawl the web for conversation.
Ranchpots? I need to know what you are on about (although may regret asking).
john, bolton says...
2:52pm Tue 23 Oct 07
chas, suffolk says...
3:02pm Tue 23 Oct 07
There are some people who are so desperate, they'll even converse with erica, although they try not to.
boris, west sussex says...
3:33pm Tue 23 Oct 07
Ranchpots? I need to know what you are on about (although may regret asking).
He's talking about you.
interested resident, says...
4:53pm Tue 23 Oct 07
boris wrote:Oh Boris, your totally intellectual stimulating conversation really leaves me in awe - how can I possibly compete with your outstanding wit and subtlety.
The Nugget writesRanchpots? I need to know what you are on about (although may regret asking).He's talking about you.
boris, west sussex says...
4:55pm Tue 23 Oct 07
Oh Boris, your totally intellectual stimulating conversation really leaves me in awe - how can I possibly compete with your outstanding wit and subtlety.
You can't.
interested resident, says...
5:23pm Tue 23 Oct 07
boris wrote:I know - your erudite comments and rapier-like wit leave me powerless ....
Te Nugget wroteOh Boris, your totally intellectual stimulating conversation really leaves me in awe - how can I possibly compete with your outstanding wit and subtlety.You can't.
boris, west sussex says...
5:26pm Tue 23 Oct 07
Have you found out who Steve Davis is???
chas, suffolk says...
5:33pm Tue 23 Oct 07
interested resident, says...
10:05pm Tue 23 Oct 07
chas wrote:Can you give me a c(l)ue who he is - its all b*lls really! lol
That's an interesting question. I bet that's got him snookered.
dan_theman, bolton says...
10:06pm Tue 23 Oct 07
interested resident, says...
10:15pm Tue 23 Oct 07
chas wrote:And another thing - why do you assume I am male?
That's an interesting question. I bet that's got him snookered.
dear anti yobs, breightmet says...
11:36pm Tue 23 Oct 07
dan_theman wrote:i would like to know how they can buy drugs with a smart card registerd to them and obviously their photo is on it and if it was tamperd with then it would be void
yeah, you give them money and they will throw it back in your face, it will go towards their drugs, instead of giving the little chavs money, just throw them in a cage...
chas, suffolk says...
8:53am Wed 24 Oct 07
And another thing - why do you assume I am male?.Give me a c(l)ue
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erichyland, says...
9:32pm Mon 22 Oct 07