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CCTV probe in hunt for gun terror boy
12:08pm Saturday 19th January 2008
Comments (91)DETECTIVES hunting a boy as young as 14 who robbed two women at gun-point are studying CCTV from a nearby subway.
One of the women was also sexually assaulted by the youngster, who pounced in Castle Street on Thursday evening.
It is believed he had followed the women from the subway leading from Churchgate and police are now looking at CCTV images from the tunnel.
But officers had this morning still not received any calls from witnesses and are renewing their appeal for anyone with information to come forward.
They are also calling on anyone who thinks they may know who the boy is, including family and friends, to come forward with their suspicions.
The first robbery happened at 5.30pm after a 23-year-old woman had just got into her car. The boy opened the passenger door, sat down, then pointed a gun to her head, threatening to shoot her if she protested.
He then sexually assaulted her, rifled through her handbag and fled with her purse which contained a small amount of cash.
Detectives are now waiting for the results of forensic tests on the car.
They believe the same boy was responsible for holding a gun to the head of a 23-year-old woman near the same spot just 15 minutes after the first robbery.
This time the offender threw her to the floor as she tried to defend herself and stole her handbag before running off towards Eagle Street.
The victim's handbag and purse were later found discarded nearby by police.
A 47-year-old woman also reported being followed to her car as she walked out of the subway on Thursday evening but she was not confronted.
No gun has been recovered and Detective Constable Paul Reed, of Bolton CID, said: "It is worrying for a boy to be carrying a gun, but then it is worring for anybody to be brandishing a gun and targeting lone women.
"We have all got wives and daughters and I really feel for these women.
"These robberies happened at a time when a number of people would have been leaving work so we are hoping someone will come forward with information."
DC Reed is advising women not to walk through the subway alone and urging people to be vigilant.
But he said all criminals were different and that he could not speculate about whether the boy might strike again.
DC Reed added that police were this weekend conducting high profile patrols in the area to help provide reassurance for the public.
The boy was white, aged 14 to 16, about 5ft 2in tall with pale blue eyes and a pale complexion.
He wore a dark coloured jacket with the hood pulled up, dark tracksuit bottoms and a hat with a white line along the bottom which was partially covered by the hood.
He was clean shaven and spoke with a local accent.
Anyone with information is asked to call Bolton CID on 0161 856 0961 or Crimestoppers, in confidence, on 0800 555111.
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Disgusted, Tunbridge Wells says...
1:35pm Sat 19 Jan 08
emma, bolton says...
1:37pm Sat 19 Jan 08
Disgusted wrote:can you imagine what sort of crimes he'l be committing in his twenties.
He's too young to be named too young to get into trouble for this but not too young to commit two armed Robberies and a Sexual assault. Many people will become victims of him in his lifetime and he will always be given preferential treatment over his Victims.
I dread to think.
Disgusted, Tunbridge Wells says...
1:44pm Sat 19 Jan 08
emma wrote:And getting away with them too, no doubt amongst he's friends he's the big Man the Armed Robber. I'm not bothered when that Gun turns out to be fake its Armed Robbery and it's should be seen as serious. The westhoughton lad who got 4 years which means what 2 years ? was on some kinda supervision order when he did the Armed Robbery and most of us would agree he got let off for a second time.
Disgusted wrote: He's too young to be named too young to get into trouble for this but not too young to commit two armed Robberies and a Sexual assault. Many people will become victims of him in his lifetime and he will always be given preferential treatment over his Victims.can you imagine what sort of crimes he'l be committing in his twenties. I dread to think.
gabon, bury says...
1:48pm Sat 19 Jan 08
No doubt but then its to late,
Carry a weapon minimum
10 years see if that deters them if not hang them
John, says...
2:00pm Sat 19 Jan 08
gabon, bury says...
2:24pm Sat 19 Jan 08
Do the two women who he attacked have human rights,
If the sentence fit the crime this could be stamped out at once,
Like i said before if he is old enough to commit the crime he is old enough to be named,
Once convicted he should have scrote tatooed on is forehaed for all to see.
Do the crime do the time
gabon, bury says...
2:25pm Sat 19 Jan 08
chas, suffolk says...
2:26pm Sat 19 Jan 08
gabon, bury says...
2:33pm Sat 19 Jan 08
Could think of a better way to spend the day,
Mind you chas that could be the answer nail the bleeders to a cross on the town hall steps next to the elephants give us something to look at as well
Angela Halliwell Witch, Halliwell says...
2:35pm Sat 19 Jan 08
How many more woman to be raped and pillaged?
How many more nights of having to listen to the thugs patrolling the streets, yelling and vandalising cars? How many more old people robbed in their homes?
How many more shops and commercial premises turned over at knife/gunpoint?
These are the kind of stories that have made the news within the last week. In fact its nearly every week now something like the above is happening.
We pay a lot of money in taxes to live and work in this country and yet we have to fear for our own safety not only out on the streets but in our own homes whilst the powers that be sit on their hands and do nothing! They are all to engrossed in thinking up excuses and disorders for these not good scrotes whose parents want sterilising so they can't breed anymore
chas, suffolk says...
2:38pm Sat 19 Jan 08
markd, bolton says...
2:40pm Sat 19 Jan 08
Rocky, Bowton says...
2:56pm Sat 19 Jan 08
Send a clear message out this will not be tolerated.
Rocky, Bowton says...
3:00pm Sat 19 Jan 08
He then sexually assaulted her, rifled through her handbag and fled with her purse which contained a small amount of cash"
"They believe the same boy was responsible for holding a gun to the head of a 23-year-old woman near the same spot just 15 minutes after the first robbery.
"This time the offender threw her to the floor as she tried to defend herself and stole her handbag before running off towards Eagle Street."
Why weren't there police combing the area immediately?
chas, suffolk says...
3:20pm Sat 19 Jan 08
Rocky, Bowton says...
3:40pm Sat 19 Jan 08
"Welcome to the 2008 Idiots Convention. First item on the agenda: Who Can Come Up With The Most Brutal, Simplistic & Proven Ineffective Method of Curbing Violent Crime?
Tomorrow we shall discuss the rural crisis in: Villages - Why Have Our Idiots Gone Urban?"
Then he says:
"Yeah, don't bother to look at the evidence chaps.
Interesting to see you think that the way to deal with uncivilised people is to be as uncivilised if not more so than them. Brilliant.
Ah, the hanging prevents reoffending argument. Difficult to argue against such a simplistic notion excpet to poit out that the death penalty is shown not to be a deterrent and that civilsed societies do not indulge in state sponsored killing."
So are you saying these women are lying and their experience is not real?
Andrew while you sit on the sidelines mouthing your pious deities.
We will come up with real solutions that WILL stop these scum dead in their tracks.
Hanging stops re-offending its a known fact.
Like Sun has repeatedly said.
THOSE WHO MAKE PEACEFUL REVOLUTION IMPOSSIBLE WILL MAKE VIOLENT REVOLUTION INEVITABLE.
soup, Bolton says...
3:43pm Sat 19 Jan 08
Rocky, Bowton says...
3:47pm Sat 19 Jan 08
chas wrote:No they become like Andrew walk around preaching to everyone.
Was jesus the first do-gooder and do kids immitate him by hanging about?
Andrew forgets though Jesus got crucified too.
Lollipop, Muddy Duct says...
3:58pm Sat 19 Jan 08
Ah, the hanging prevents reoffending argument. Difficult to argue against such a simplistic notion excpet to poit out that the death penalty is shown not to be a deterrent and that civilsed societies do not indulge in state sponsored killing."
I thought that some American states still carried the death penalty. Or is America not civilised enough?
chas, suffolk says...
3:58pm Sat 19 Jan 08
Rocky, Bowton says...
4:01pm Sat 19 Jan 08
chas, suffolk says...
4:03pm Sat 19 Jan 08
Rocky, Bowton says...
4:08pm Sat 19 Jan 08
buggersback, wigan says...
4:11pm Sat 19 Jan 08
chas wrote:They know NOT what they do. What about an eye for an eye. A taste of their own medicine.
I am not religious, but am I right in thinking that Jesus said forgive them lord,for they know what what they do?
gabon, bury says...
4:39pm Sat 19 Jan 08
Now i wonder why that can be,
Any ideas anyone or is it not relevant,
Or then again it may be relevant if the persons involved are exempt,
Maybe someone can let me know why this is.
john, bolton says...
4:53pm Sat 19 Jan 08
First repeal the Human Rights Act and make judges subject to the laws of this land as set by our Parliament.
Secondly re-write the sentencing codes to eliminate all sentences that are set for the criminal and their interests and reset them only for the protection of society. It should be assumed that all criminals will re-offend if released.
Thirdly all people such as judges, probation officers and doctors should be made responsible for the subsequent behaviour of their charges. So a reoffender would get jailed and the judge, doctor or anyone else who argued for early release would also get prosecuted.
Sentences would then become lengthy and cruel and have a reputation that would help eliminate the easy appeal that crime seems to have these days.
gabon, bury says...
4:59pm Sat 19 Jan 08
Why dont you write to G Brown with your thoughts as this is what is needed in this country.
buggersback, wigan says...
5:25pm Sat 19 Jan 08
Lord Lucan, Somewhere says...
6:19pm Sat 19 Jan 08
Get real - most criminals are mentally unhinged, completely or partially irrational and can not be rehabilitated. The best way to stop them is to keep them off the streets which either means eliminating them or locking them up indefinitely. Anything else is vastly ineffective in practice despite what any apologist will tell you. This also reduces the possibility that such bags of bad genes will be able to reproduce criminal clones, brought up on state largesse who then spit in the face of all decent people.
When do you think that someone will have the rondies to do something effective about it?
markd, bolton says...
7:36pm Sat 19 Jan 08
g, bolton says...
7:49pm Sat 19 Jan 08
Rocky, Bowton says...
8:22pm Sat 19 Jan 08
Dont discuss details on here.
Any information you give could allow this scroat to get off when he his court.
IE your influencing the jury if one of us goes on jury service.
gabon, bury says...
8:25pm Sat 19 Jan 08
Dont let the buggers get you down,
Take care all the best to you.
Rocky, Bowton says...
8:34pm Sat 19 Jan 08
I am so angry about this I'm blocking out polite sentiments.
I wish you a full recovery and that this scumbag is soon caught.
Dear Anti Yobs, breightmet says...
9:26pm Sat 19 Jan 08
emma wrote:yeah growing your own cannabis plants and such
Disgusted wrote: He's too young to be named too young to get into trouble for this but not too young to commit two armed Robberies and a Sexual assault. Many people will become victims of him in his lifetime and he will always be given preferential treatment over his Victims.can you imagine what sort of crimes he'l be committing in his twenties. I dread to think.
keithyt, Bolton says...
9:33pm Sat 19 Jan 08
Andrew, read the news items, look whats happening, do you really think that ours is a civilised society?
sam c, breightmet says...
10:04pm Sat 19 Jan 08
some one had to see this situation? my wife works five minutes away from this recent situation and now i have to pay forty pounds a month because of loss of respect to other people! all our hard work to pay tax to partially pay for police and pcso, wrong place wrong time i think not! not enough people watching on dangerous areas of bolton i did try to post another post but was restricted should we be restricated as much on the streets as we are on the web?
sam 25 bolton(breightmet)
emma, bolton says...
10:11pm Sat 19 Jan 08
Dear Anti Yobs wrote:yawn........
emma wrote:yeah growing your own cannabis plants and suchDisgusted wrote: He's too young to be named too young to get into trouble for this but not too young to commit two armed Robberies and a Sexual assault. Many people will become victims of him in his lifetime and he will always be given preferential treatment over his Victims.can you imagine what sort of crimes he'l be committing in his twenties. I dread to think.
gabon, bury says...
10:22am Sun 20 Jan 08
If you go to someones aid ang use to much force its you that will end up in court,
The scrote will bleat to the judge you injured him,
Then you end up with a
police record,
Same as the lame duck PM we have,
Gun and Knife crime drugs losing vital information the Nothern Rock fiasco,
Where is he on a state visit in india,
Instead of jetting off helping other countries he should give this country his 100% attention and get it sorted,
gabon, bury says...
10:24am Sun 20 Jan 08
tosh, says...
11:21am Sun 20 Jan 08
John wrote:Birch and humiliate him and others of his ilk in the middle of the Reebok before a match with the big screens on, that way we will all know who they are.
Birch, Borstal and Jail. Or would the "Do-gooders" and "Human rights" brigades object saying he's only a child. Birch the bas**rd, that what I say.
Sun Tzu, says...
11:34am Sun 20 Jan 08
Drugs are the number one cause of crime today. They are a cancer eating away at society. if we tackle the drugs problem with a zero tolerance attitude to both pushers and takers. We will be paid dividends by a drop in other areas of crime.
So why won't our government do something about it?
Well. In order to tackle the drug problem effectively we would need to stop drugs coming in.
In order to stop drugs coming in we would need to have proper control of our borders.
In order to have proper control of our borders we would need to leave the EU.
We can do all this or we can accept an increasingly unlawful society. Where criminals hold sway over honest people.
parishner, bolton says...
12:02pm Sun 20 Jan 08
at works,this little scroat will have had no,discipline,have parents who have never taught him anything,O AND BY THE WAY VIOLENT CRIME,IS ON THE WAY DOWN,IN BOLTON,ASK SUPT LEE HE KNOWS......
John, says...
12:12pm Sun 20 Jan 08
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parishner, bolton says...
12:53pm Sun 20 Jan 08
g wrote:THIS VERMIN WILL BE CAUGHTT ,MAKE AN IMPACT STATEMENT STATING,YOUD LIKE HIM LOCKING UP FOR A VERY LONG TIME NOT JUST 3 MONTHS....TAKE CARE
i was the second person to be mugged and he then used my mobile which he'd stolen to ring my mum warning her that i was 'lucky' and that i might not be so lucky next time, he is very dangerous and i hope that someone will come forward with some information to help catch him so that he can't do this to anyone else
gabon, bury says...
2:31pm Sun 20 Jan 08
Must have realised nearly every post on here as gone against his softly softly approach,
Maybe the message as got through but i doubt that,Another good post Sun just whish we could get through to the people that matter,
well you could if he was in the country of on onother jaunt interfearing and get get his own job right,
gabon, bury says...
2:55pm Sun 20 Jan 08
Andrew, Bury says...
3:36pm Sun 20 Jan 08
Andrew, Bury says...
3:39pm Sun 20 Jan 08
Lollipop wrote:Not those states that still practice it no. Even in the States they're starting to question it too.
Ah, the hanging prevents reoffending argument. Difficult to argue against such a simplistic notion excpet to poit out that the death penalty is shown not to be a deterrent and that civilsed societies do not indulge in state sponsored killing."I thought that some American states still carried the death penalty. Or is America not civilised enough?
Andrew, Bury says...
3:43pm Sun 20 Jan 08
keithyt wrote:Yes, I do. It has uncivilised elements though. Go down the vigilante/hanging/to
Ah, the hanging prevents reoffending argument. Difficult to argue against such a simplistic notion excpet to poit out that the death penalty is shown not to be a deterrent and that civilsed societies do not indulge in state sponsored killing." Andrew, read the news items, look whats happening, do you really think that ours is a civilised society?
rture route and society itself becomes uncivilised.
That no-one is interested in whether such actions work as a deterrent, which they're shown not to, is interesting. Too busy **** after blood.
g - sorry to hear of what happened. Hopefully they'll catch the lad.
john, bolton says...
3:44pm Sun 20 Jan 08
Sun Tzu wrote:In order to tackle the drug problem that fuels so much crime, first it is necessary to cut through the drug bullsh1t.
I don't doubt, that when they catch this kid. He will have a history which in same way includes drugs abuse. Drugs are the number one cause of crime today. They are a cancer eating away at society. if we tackle the drugs problem with a zero tolerance attitude to both pushers and takers. We will be paid dividends by a drop in other areas of crime. So why won't our government do something about it? Well. In order to tackle the drug problem effectively we would need to stop drugs coming in. In order to stop drugs coming in we would need to have proper control of our borders. In order to have proper control of our borders we would need to leave the EU. We can do all this or we can accept an increasingly unlawful society. Where criminals hold sway over honest people.
The number 1 drug of choice in Britain is alcohol. If you don't deal with this the rest is irrelevant and you may as well give up now.
The drug should only be made available in selected outlets like pubs in carefully controlled conditions.
Secondly drinking at home or anywhere else should be discouraged with swinging penalties. Eg if caught drunk on the streets of Bolton all offenders that night should be carted off to say Leeds or some other foreign place, and then sober up there in an outside cage, with no lift home. Inconvenient, uncomfortable with the possibility of losing your job.
Of course random breath tests at work, school and on the road would also help.
A similar approach could be taken with all other drugs which like alcohol should be legal, but controlled.
gabon, bury says...
3:51pm Sun 20 Jan 08
All drugs should be legal are you from planet nob,
They have tried to get rid of fags if you include alcohol where is the revenue going to come from,
Income tax motorist,
The two old favorites.
How long as leeds been a foreign place i know its half full of asians but hot yet foreign,
gabon, bury says...
3:53pm Sun 20 Jan 08
john, bolton says...
4:05pm Sun 20 Jan 08
gabon wrote:Of course a government like ours that indulges in expensive foreign wars, huge armaments bills, vastly wasteful PFI projects, etc, etc would need a large revenue stream. If drugs were made legal but controlled half the prison population could be got rid of another big saving. If children were taught say 5 or 6 subjects properly instead the current curriculum badly with reading and writing made mandatory and not optional as in our education system then more big savings could be made.
From johns comments he looks like a smack head. All drugs should be legal are you from planet nob, They have tried to get rid of fags if you include alcohol where is the revenue going to come from, Income tax motorist, The two old favorites. How long as leeds been a foreign place i know its half full of asians but hot yet foreign,
This government is fat with tax revenue, it doesn't spend it wisely and certainly not effectively so it ends up as you say dependent on alcohol and tobacco taxes. It doesn't have to be like this. And no I'm not a smack head.
gabon, bury says...
4:27pm Sun 20 Jan 08
Sorry if i was wrong in calling you a smack head,
Defo problems start in school mainly due to lack of disipline and the human rights law,
Kids know the teachers hands are tied and its about time this goverment did something about it
chas, suffolk says...
4:54pm Sun 20 Jan 08
gabon, bury says...
5:16pm Sun 20 Jan 08
Lollipop, Muddy Duct says...
5:23pm Sun 20 Jan 08
Andrew wrote:The United States Of America is classed as a civilised Country. In your personal opinion it my not be civilised but then neither is Great Britian.
Lollipop wrote:Not those states that still practice it no. Even in the States they're starting to question it too.Ah, the hanging prevents reoffending argument. Difficult to argue against such a simplistic notion excpet to poit out that the death penalty is shown not to be a deterrent and that civilsed societies do not indulge in state sponsored killing."I thought that some American states still carried the death penalty. Or is America not civilised enough?
emma, bolton says...
5:50pm Sun 20 Jan 08
chas wrote:yeah and lets have loads of abused kids too scared to report it. Hence the reason the childrens act was changed
gabon. Nothing will be done until they amend the children's act (I think 1996), which tells children that the law is on their side.
are you and Gabon that daft and uneducated that you thought it had been changed to allow kids to get away with crime.
chas, suffolk says...
6:00pm Sun 20 Jan 08
emma, bolton says...
6:22pm Sun 20 Jan 08
chas wrote:The sign was probably put up to encourage children who are under social services that the law will help them if they need their help, ie kids suffering some sort of abuse and are too scared to tell.
emma. I'm educated enough to know that like most laws little or no thought goes into the consequences of them. Soon after that act was brought in, I noticed a big advert in the social services dept telling kids 'the law is on your side'. Are kids stupid?
If the law protects all child criminals as you think why the hell do we have young offenders institute's? Why do we have youth courts?
Your opinion may be that the sentences given to young offenders are leniant but that isnt down to the police thats down to the judges.
Sun Tzu, says...
6:33pm Sun 20 Jan 08
john wrote:John - Your right about alcohol being a problem. The main problem with alcohol is the binge drinking culture. This has to a great extent been encouraged by an irresponsible drinks industry, which promotes products aimed at getting people loaded in as little time as possible.
Sun Tzu wrote:In order to tackle the drug problem that fuels so much crime, first it is necessary to cut through the drug bullsh1t.
I don't doubt, that when they catch this kid. He will have a history which in same way includes drugs abuse. Drugs are the number one cause of crime today. They are a cancer eating away at society. if we tackle the drugs problem with a zero tolerance attitude to both pushers and takers. We will be paid dividends by a drop in other areas of crime. So why won't our government do something about it? Well. In order to tackle the drug problem effectively we would need to stop drugs coming in. In order to stop drugs coming in we would need to have proper control of our borders. In order to have proper control of our borders we would need to leave the EU. We can do all this or we can accept an increasingly unlawful society. Where criminals hold sway over honest people.
The number 1 drug of choice in Britain is alcohol. If you don't deal with this the rest is irrelevant and you may as well give up now.
The drug should only be made available in selected outlets like pubs in carefully controlled conditions.
Secondly drinking at home or anywhere else should be discouraged with swinging penalties. Eg if caught drunk on the streets of Bolton all offenders that night should be carted off to say Leeds or some other foreign place, and then sober up there in an outside cage, with no lift home. Inconvenient, uncomfortable with the possibility of losing your job.
Of course random breath tests at work, school and on the road would also help.
A similar approach could be taken with all other drugs which like alcohol should be legal, but controlled.
Regulation is needed.
Alcohol may fuel drunken yob behaviour but it is not part of organised gang and gun crime and therfore less of a problem than narcotics.
I think John, you may be trying to protect the odd joint you smoke or the line of cocain you do at weekend but I'm sorry mate, we can't let civilised society go down the pan for the sake of your vices.
Zero Tollerance.
chas, suffolk says...
6:35pm Sun 20 Jan 08
Sun Tzu, says...
6:39pm Sun 20 Jan 08
Andrew wrote:Why are you sorry Andrew?
keithyt wrote:Yes, I do. It has uncivilised elements though. Go down the vigilante/hanging/to
Ah, the hanging prevents reoffending argument. Difficult to argue against such a simplistic notion excpet to poit out that the death penalty is shown not to be a deterrent and that civilsed societies do not indulge in state sponsored killing." Andrew, read the news items, look whats happening, do you really think that ours is a civilised society?
rture route and society itself becomes uncivilised.
That no-one is interested in whether such actions work as a deterrent, which they're shown not to, is interesting. Too busy **** after blood.
g - sorry to hear of what happened. Hopefully they'll catch the lad.
Could it be that you feel some responsibility. Because it's your ideals which are making this kind of behaviour an everday occurance.
Your a gullible fool Andrew and it makes me angry that you expect the rest of us to put up with your failed ideas.
emma, bolton says...
6:42pm Sun 20 Jan 08
chas wrote:Firstly they wouldnt be allowed out of the house and secondly I would find ou the root cause as to why their doing it and nowadays the cause would probably be feeding a drug habit.
emma. If you had a 14 yo daughter who was going out for prostitution or a 14yo son who was going out to mug old ladies, how would you stop them?
spice, bolton says...
7:00pm Sun 20 Jan 08
chas, suffolk says...
7:10pm Sun 20 Jan 08
emma, bolton says...
7:35pm Sun 20 Jan 08
chas wrote:absolute utter tosh. There is a difference between locking a child in a room and not allowing them to leave the house. If my child aged 14 was staying at someones house against my wishes where an adult was present, I told them to send my child home and they allowed my child to stay then they would be done for kidnap.
emma. YOU would be breaking the law for prevented them from leaving the house. You cannot lock a child in a room (imprisonment). You cannot hold a kid to prevent them going out as that is restrainst. You CANNOT stop a kid from from going out as 'the law is on their side'.
Andrew, Bury says...
7:36pm Sun 20 Jan 08
Sun Tzu wrote:Do be quiet. I'm sorry because this was clearly a very distressful event. That we differ on how to deal with crime does not mean that either of us do not feel for the victims of it nor that the criminal act is an abhorrence.
Andrew wrote:Why are you sorry Andrew? Could it be that you feel some responsibility. Because it's your ideals which are making this kind of behaviour an everday occurance. Your a gullible fool Andrew and it makes me angry that you expect the rest of us to put up with your failed ideas.keithyt wrote: Ah, the hanging prevents reoffending argument. Difficult to argue against such a simplistic notion excpet to poit out that the death penalty is shown not to be a deterrent and that civilsed societies do not indulge in state sponsored killing." Andrew, read the news items, look whats happening, do you really think that ours is a civilised society?Yes, I do. It has uncivilised elements though. Go down the vigilante/hanging/to rture route and society itself becomes uncivilised. That no-one is interested in whether such actions work as a deterrent, which they're shown not to, is interesting. Too busy **** after blood. g - sorry to hear of what happened. Hopefully they'll catch the lad.
Expect the rest of you? Half a dozen who can't be bothered to investigate further than a headline and just chuck out the same lazy and discredited hanging, flogging, torturing line, battling it out to see who can come up with the most gruesome retribution.
I note Ernst & Young's ITEM club regards the likelihood of recession as very low. Still, Sun knows better.
Andrew, Bury says...
7:40pm Sun 20 Jan 08
Lollipop wrote:I said those states that still execute.
Andrew wrote:The United States Of America is classed as a civilised Country. In your personal opinion it my not be civilised but then neither is Great Britian.Lollipop wrote:Not those states that still practice it no. Even in the States they're starting to question it too.Ah, the hanging prevents reoffending argument. Difficult to argue against such a simplistic notion excpet to poit out that the death penalty is shown not to be a deterrent and that civilsed societies do not indulge in state sponsored killing."I thought that some American states still carried the death penalty. Or is America not civilised enough?
chas, suffolk says...
7:51pm Sun 20 Jan 08
Sun Tzu, says...
7:55pm Sun 20 Jan 08
Andrew, Bury says...
7:57pm Sun 20 Jan 08
Sun Tzu wrote:Hardly an inexpert one.
Andrew - That club bases it's forcasts on Treasury models. Ernst & Young are also one of the bigeest private organisations in capitalist America. Hardly an unbiased opinion.
emma, bolton says...
8:03pm Sun 20 Jan 08
chas wrote:I will read it chas, but I tell what if my daughter ended up on the game at 14 or my son ends up robbing old folk or anyone for that matter then the little sods wouldnt even get their hands on a phone to report me!.
emma. If you believe that, then I suggest you read the act. Even social services cannot prevent a child, who is in care, from going out to commit crimes.
emma, bolton says...
8:08pm Sun 20 Jan 08
chas wrote:I do know though chas the bit about kidnap is correct as a mate of mine had this problem with her daughter at 15, who was staying at some house and refusing to come home. The police told my freind that if the adult in the house didnt request that my mates daughter leave as requested by her parents then the owner of the house would be done for kidnap as the girl was still a minor.
emma. If you believe that, then I suggest you read the act. Even social services cannot prevent a child, who is in care, from going out to commit crimes.
chas, suffolk says...
8:12pm Sun 20 Jan 08
chas, suffolk says...
8:37pm Sun 20 Jan 08
Sun Tzu, says...
8:41pm Sun 20 Jan 08
Andrew wrote:There are many kinds of expertise, and questions have to be asked about whose interests these so called experts are looking out for.
Sun Tzu wrote:Hardly an inexpert one.
Andrew - That club bases it's forcasts on Treasury models. Ernst & Young are also one of the bigeest private organisations in capitalist America. Hardly an unbiased opinion.
Is their advice for the benefit of the economy as a whole or for the people who pay them?
Peter Sutcliffe was an expert murderer and was very successful in avoiding capture for many years but I don't think anyone would want him as chief constable.
You will be lucky to find an entirely truthful apraisal and prediction about how the British economy will perform in the future. Because as with all con-findence tricks. Once the confidence is gone the trick doesn't work.
The only one who is not afraid to speak the truth is the great Sun Tzu.
Andrew, Bury says...
9:36am Mon 21 Jan 08
Rocky, Bowton says...
10:16am Mon 21 Jan 08
Andrew wrote:Now how is ridiculing?
Is there anything more stupid than saying "Hanging stops reoffending it's a fact". Sounds like something from a Brass Eye script.
Pot Kettle ?
The fact remains it is true.
Rocky, Bowton says...
10:18am Mon 21 Jan 08
chas wrote:Not stupid its FACT.
emma. I'm sorry to read about your friend's daughter. I'm not sure what would happen if the GIRL refused to leave. It is stupid that we are not allowed to discipline our own children.
Human rights PC brigade helped bring that in.
Andrew ,
People like me don't listen or get drawn in by your backward logic either.
chas, suffolk says...
10:31am Mon 21 Jan 08
emma, bolton says...
10:40am Mon 21 Jan 08
chas wrote:teenagers have always been able to get the morning after pill without their parents consent, from the family planning clinic
Now , free morning after pill without parents consent.
Andrew, Bury says...
11:25am Mon 21 Jan 08
emma wrote:Don't bring facts into this please Emma. You know they're not appreciated ;-)
chas wrote: Now , free morning after pill without parents consent.teenagers have always been able to get the morning after pill without their parents consent, from the family planning clinic
chas, suffolk says...
11:50am Mon 21 Jan 08
Andrew, Bury says...
1:57pm Mon 21 Jan 08
alexw1983, Bolton says...
2:50pm Mon 21 Jan 08
alexw1983, Bolton says...
2:51pm Mon 21 Jan 08
chas, suffolk says...
5:37pm Mon 21 Jan 08
Rocky, Bowton says...
6:50am Tue 22 Jan 08
chas wrote:He couldn't get them straight if he laid them out on the meridian line.
Andrew. You need to get your facts straight.
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gabon, bury says...
12:37pm Sat 19 Jan 08
Why where there no police in the area after the first one,
Probably out catching
the poor old motorist and had no one free,