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1923 FA Cup Final menu card up for sale
5:01pm Saturday 26th January 2008
Comments (73)A RARE 1923 FA Cup final dinner menu signed by Bolton Wanderers players is set to go under the hammer.
The card was signed by every Bolton player taking part in the 1923 FA Cup final, the first to be staged at the newly built Wembley Stadium.
It is being auctioned at The Freight House in Rochford, Essex, on Tuesday, February 19, where it is expected to sell for between £1,500 and £2,000.
The card was also signed by West Ham players in the final.
The menu was originally owned by the West Ham trainer of the day.
It was signed at a cup final celebration dinner at the Abercorn Rooms in London on December 8, 1923.
Among the names are: England goalkeeper Dick Pym, Bob Haworth, Alex Finney, Harry Nuttall, Jimmy Seddon, Billy Jennings, Billy Butler, Ted Vizard, John Reid Smith, Bolton captain Joe Smith, and David Jack - who made history by scoring the first cup final goal at Wembley.
The 1923 final remains one of the most famous.
It became known as the White Horse Final after the valiant, and successful, efforts of PC George Scorey and his white horse, Billy, to control the reportedly 126,000-strong crowd who had spilled on to the pitch before the kick-off.
Mark Stacey, of Stacey's Auctioneers, said: "We believe this to be a unique piece of football history."
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whitehowfan, Howfan says...
11:34pm Sat 26 Jan 08
Bilbo Joe, Ont' pewt says...
12:06am Sun 27 Jan 08
whitehowfan wrote:Wind your neck in and have a read before commenting, Sir. I'm a lifelong white.
If i had a bit of spare cash i would love to get my hands on the menu card, **** like rocky, bilbo, and bert, do not understand what it is like to have a love of BWFC.
whitehowfan, Howfan says...
12:29am Sun 27 Jan 08
illy6b, Bolton says...
3:54am Sun 27 Jan 08
Embankment Bob, Bolton says...
9:04am Sun 27 Jan 08
It does show a certain naivety. Any true Utd fan would not do this, but would simply either remember past events quietly or pay tributes with their own. Eric is very naughty trying to get some kind of reaction. I do wonder if he has also sent this stuff to Liverpool and Leeds sites, if he has it just shows what he is up to.
cow-head, westhoughton says...
9:57am Sun 27 Jan 08
I do not see why we need to be constantly reminded of the very sad air crash on the 6th February 1958, there have been many aircrashes besides this so why do we get this rammed down our throats every time you pick up a newspaper or switch on the TV?
Most of the so MUFC glory hunting hangers-on were not even born then, so why do they make such a fuss?
Embankment Bob, Bolton says...
10:19am Sun 27 Jan 08
Eric would be better served by either trying to log on with a different name ( if thats possible ) or just keeping to general football sites as 606. This is a Wanderers site predominantly.
Embankment Bob, Bolton says...
11:11am Sun 27 Jan 08
I still maintain that for Eric to post here, as he does, is simply provocative knowing the hostilty between the clubs.
parishner, bolton says...
11:28am Sun 27 Jan 08
Bilbo Joe wrote:each club can hold memorials,including burnden diaster,when our local people,witnessed at first hand,a disaster,although,th
Rocky wrote: King ERIC take note over 200,000 people. Something that will never be seen at a Man Utd match. At wembley or otherwise.Don't get him started. They're now insisting that the entire world holds still for a minute, next month. Some footballers died in an air crash. Should we commemorate every air disaster, or just the ones that involved the celebrated?
e way some disrespect,the dead you wouldnt think so.
keithyt, Bolton says...
12:07pm Sun 27 Jan 08
Remind me again Erica, which match did Sir Bobby play in with Eric?
keithyt, Bolton says...
12:08pm Sun 27 Jan 08
whitehowfan wrote:Obviously not you though
Whats your post about erica?, beleive it or not some of us country bumkin bolton people can read and wright and use the net, why play on the"munich trip" to **** stir?
King Eric, says...
12:32pm Sun 27 Jan 08
In 1956 Duncan marked Pele out of the game, England would have won the World Cup before 1966.
The deaths impacted on all football fans in 1958.
Embankment Bob, Bolton says...
12:38pm Sun 27 Jan 08
King Eric, says...
12:45pm Sun 27 Jan 08
Your fans brought it up.
Anyway it's a great reminder of what the country lost.
More to follow.
cow-head, westhoughton says...
1:05pm Sun 27 Jan 08
Andy L, Rugby says...
1:20pm Sun 27 Jan 08
King Eric wrote:As per my earlier post, I'm taking what you say as a genuine contribution. If I'm wrong then so be it. I did note, in passing, the generous comment made re the quality of a BWFC thread last week.
It was posted as a reminder about one of England's greatest players not as a wind up.
In 1956 Duncan marked Pele out of the game, England would have won the World Cup before 1966.
The deaths impacted on all football fans in 1958.
Counterfactual arguments are always difficult.For example in 1957-8 before the terrible Munich disaster pre Xmas the score was BWFC 4 Man Utd 0 and post Xmas Man Utd 7 BWFC 2
What might have happened in the cup final had 'Munich' not occurred? It might well have gone either way. Man Utd had of course lost in 1957.
Duncan Edwards may well have made a difference in Sweden,as perhaps might BWFC's Eddie Hopkinson if preferred to Burnley's Colin MacDonald- though CM was generally thought the best around in that tournament.
What is a matter of fact is that England with BWFC Tommy Banks at left back drew 0-0 with Brazil and Pele but conceding two goals each in draws v Austria and Russia went out in a play off. Could Duncan Edwards have prevented any of those consequences? We will never know! But here we can certainly celebrate Tommy Banks!He was really good to watch, if not to play against.
Andy L, Rugby says...
1:27pm Sun 27 Jan 08
*hitonutd, MANCHESTER says...
1:55pm Sun 27 Jan 08
I'm now sure that this poster(king eric) is a total wind up.
When does the debates ever concern manu and why doesn't he go on the city website and slate their fans for disrespecting munich?
I was at OT 5years ago when we played on the 45th anniversary.And every SuperWhite fan on that day acted with decorum and respect for the dead!!!
I was also at OT to watch manu v. liverpool;this was the match Kevin Keegan played despite his fathers death a few days earlier.First song from the Stretford end was "Keegan Keegan hows your dad?"
NICE!!!!!Pot kettle black????
sharan J, bolton says...
3:38pm Sun 27 Jan 08
The Swedish international is currently on loan at Bolton from French side Nantes, but he has struggled to establish himself at the Reebok Stadium.
The flying winger has made only four starts in his 13 appearances for the club since his arrival on loan last summer.
Wilhelmsson does not figure in Gary Megson's plans and the news has alerted Deportivo.
Bolton are prepared to end Wilhelmsson's loan deal to allow him to join Deportivo.
Deportivo are set to sign Wilhelmsson on loan until the end of the season with the option of a permanent deal.
The former Roma ace is expected to undergo a medical in Spain on Monday before tying up his loan move.
Deportivo's move for Wilhelmsson will end their interest in Manchester City's Geovanni
Andy L, rugby says...
4:55pm Sun 27 Jan 08
sharan J wrote:Excellent. Good for him and even better for us! Maybe we'll go for Geovanni.
Christian Wilhelmsson is set to leave Bolton for Deportivo La Coruna.
The Swedish international is currently on loan at Bolton from French side Nantes, but he has struggled to establish himself at the Reebok Stadium.
The flying winger has made only four starts in his 13 appearances for the club since his arrival on loan last summer.
Wilhelmsson does not figure in Gary Megson's plans and the news has alerted Deportivo.
Bolton are prepared to end Wilhelmsson's loan deal to allow him to join Deportivo.
Deportivo are set to sign Wilhelmsson on loan until the end of the season with the option of a permanent deal.
The former Roma ace is expected to undergo a medical in Spain on Monday before tying up his loan move.
Deportivo's move for Wilhelmsson will end their interest in Manchester City's Geovanni
Jacko, Little Lever says...
5:49pm Sun 27 Jan 08
trottersforever, bolton says...
6:27pm Sun 27 Jan 08
davie, leigh says...
6:57pm Sun 27 Jan 08
mikesherriff, harrogate says...
7:17pm Sun 27 Jan 08
formula, Bournemouth says...
7:21pm Sun 27 Jan 08
formula, Bournemouth says...
7:22pm today Sun 27 Jan 08
mikesherriff, harrogate says...
7:23pm Sun 27 Jan 08
keithyt, Bolton says...
7:35pm Sun 27 Jan 08
Andy L, Rugby says...
7:48pm Sun 27 Jan 08
mikesherriff wrote:An element of it perhaps- a good tough, seasoned battler
Morgan centre half of Sheffield Utd. had a very good game against Man.City this afternoon - could he be the answer to our problem?
whitehowfan, Howfan says...
7:52pm Sun 27 Jan 08
keithyt wrote:Sorry about the spelling mistake keitht, i just got sucked in by one of ericas wined ups, he's good at what he does.The first time he has actualy got me, oh to have the 1923 menu card!
whitehowfan wrote: Whats your post about erica?, beleive it or not some of us country bumkin bolton people can read and wright and use the net, why play on the"munich trip" to **** stir?Obviously not you though
ad_bwfc, Essex says...
8:00pm Sun 27 Jan 08
whitehowfan, Howfan says...
8:20pm Sun 27 Jan 08
whitehowfan, Howfan says...
8:34pm Sun 27 Jan 08
Andy L, Rugby says...
9:14pm Sun 27 Jan 08
By a quirk of chance my father was 5 in 1923 as was I in 1958, so BWFC FA Cup victories were strong early memories and the generations conected all the significant events in this thread.
The events and tributes also serve to underline, and we might all agree on this one, just how disrespectful it is when our managers field second rate FA cup teams. They could usefully dwell on that. I do!
King Eric, Nine Prem Titles says...
9:52pm Sun 27 Jan 08
Posted by: smithy, st helens on 8:51pm today
whitehowfan thanks mate.
With respect just whish i could meet Eric so i could put his F**&%g lights out the scumbag.
Bring it on.
The Raven tomorrow ?
formula, Bournemouth says...
9:54pm Sun 27 Jan 08
He is equally unsure about signing for another interested club Sunderland but with Villa manager Martin O'Neill ruling out a loan deal, Megson is hopeful of getting his man
Jacko, Little Lever says...
10:00pm Sun 27 Jan 08
King Eric, says...
10:01pm Sun 27 Jan 08
om/watch?v=7SMLcO9xn
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Jacko, Little Lever says...
10:02pm Sun 27 Jan 08
King Eric, says...
10:09pm Sun 27 Jan 08
Jacko, Little Lever says...
10:11pm Sun 27 Jan 08
King Eric, says...
10:15pm Sun 27 Jan 08
Choose to read or not.
Jacko, Little Lever says...
10:16pm Sun 27 Jan 08
Jacko, Little Lever says...
10:18pm Sun 27 Jan 08
Embankment Bob, Bolton says...
10:20pm Sun 27 Jan 08
Eric and his like have turned what was at one time, a greatly loved club, into certainly the most despised in this country. Any thought I had of reading up on the disaster, and by the way, I can remember how stunned I was as a lad to hear about it. You can forget it, Eric. Ramming the stuff at people is quite right. You make me physically sick trying to make capital about a disaster. What a moron.
King Eric, says...
10:23pm Sun 27 Jan 08
I didn't bring Munich up, one of your fans did..post 2.
Jacko, Little Lever says...
10:26pm Sun 27 Jan 08
Embankment Bob, Bolton says...
10:27pm Sun 27 Jan 08
King Eric, says...
10:35pm Sun 27 Jan 08
They need to learn, and so do some of you....
Jacko, Little Lever says...
10:39pm Sun 27 Jan 08
paul, bolton says...
10:41pm Sun 27 Jan 08
Embankment Bob, Bolton says...
10:41pm Sun 27 Jan 08
superjohn, bolton says...
10:42pm Sun 27 Jan 08
Or should I say thanks for cutting and pasting from here:
http://www.joinmust.
org/forum/showthread
.php?t=31291
King Eric, says...
10:44pm Sun 27 Jan 08
Thanks for the reference Superjohn.
superjohn, bolton says...
10:46pm Sun 27 Jan 08
paul wrote:You've hit the nail there, Paul. He doesn't want anyone to disrespect his club but contradicts his own argument by being omnipresent on here.
I understand but come on its a bit much. If you bite when anyone disrespect your club your asking for trouble. When I went to Manu game your own fans started making aeroplane gesture to away fans.
superjohn, bolton says...
10:48pm Sun 27 Jan 08
King Eric wrote:Did you write that one yourself?
Tom Clare's memories. Thanks for the reference Superjohn.
paul, bolton says...
10:49pm Sun 27 Jan 08
superjohn, bolton says...
10:49pm Sun 27 Jan 08
Embankment Bob, Bolton says...
10:52pm Sun 27 Jan 08
paul, bolton says...
10:53pm Sun 27 Jan 08
Reat post
King Eric, says...
10:55pm Sun 27 Jan 08
whitehowfan, Howfan says...
12:18am Mon 28 Jan 08
cow-head, westhoughton says...
7:44am Mon 28 Jan 08
I could think of a very good place for he/she/it, but they haven't dug it yet.
Rocky, Bowton says...
8:44am Mon 28 Jan 08
King Eric wrote:WEll This story is about BWFC.
It was posted as a reminder about one of England's greatest players not as a wind up.
In 1956 Duncan marked Pele out of the game, England would have won the World Cup before 1966.
The deaths impacted on all football fans in 1958.
So most of us are not interested.
GO back to 606 where you belong.
Rocky, Bowton says...
8:56am Mon 28 Jan 08
Do your goats like spam because we don't!!
King Eric, says...
9:20am Mon 28 Jan 08
Spam ?
Anyone care to decipher ?
*hitonutd, MANCHESTER says...
12:32pm Mon 28 Jan 08
When utd praise Argentina with reference to the falklands then that again shows your hypocritical stance.And is the reason I hate utd with a passion.A club full of glory hunting no marks who cry like babies when they so much have a bad word said about them.I love football banter but with utd its impossible for the cretins like you to see beyond your pink tinted specs and double standards.
Refer to my earlier post re- Keegan's dad.Scum fans sing about Hillsboro to the scousers but mention anything remotely related to that tragic event 50 years ago and up on your high horses you climb.POT KETTLE BLACK.
Go on moan somewhere else.and remember respect has to be earned.And your fans will never earn it while your double standards continue.
King Eric, says...
1:14pm Mon 28 Jan 08
Eight Manchester united players died in the Munich air crash
A minute's silence will be held before England's game with Switzerland on 6 February to mark the 50th anniversary of the Munich air disaster.
Eight Manchester United players were among 23 people killed in the crash.
The Football Association were worried the silence would not be respected but a spokesman said on Monday: "We believe very strongly this will be respected.
"There's a feeling across the country that a minute's silence is the best way to remember everybody who died."
FA chief executive Brian Barwick has spoken with his United counterpart David Gill and club secretary Ken Ramsden to ensure the club are happy with the plans.
Bevington added: "The players will be wearing black armbands and there will be film on both giant screens of the Busby Babes.
"There will also be a tribute to the Busby Babes in the match programme.
"This was a tragedy for Manchester United in 1958 but we should also recognise there were England players who were lost while representing English football in European competition."
The game at Wembley against Switzerland will be new coach Fabio Capello's first game in charge of the England team.
Manchester United will mark the anniversary during their match with Manchester City on 10 February where there will be a minute's silence.
United will wear a special replica of their 1958 kit on the day, devoid of the players' names or shirt numbers on the back, while City's kit will incorporate a black ribbon with their sponsor's branding removed.
smithy, st helens says...
5:46pm Mon 28 Jan 08
King Eric wrote:Eric just so i know it's you and there's no mistaken identity wear a white feather in your lapel.
Posted by: smithy, st helens on 8:51pm today whitehowfan thanks mate. With respect just whish i could meet Eric so i could put his F**&%g lights out the scumbag.Bring it on. The Raven tomorrow ?
smithy, st helens says...
5:56pm Mon 28 Jan 08
King Eric wrote:Eric just so i know it's you and there's no mistaken identity wear a white feather in your lapel.
Posted by: smithy, st helens on 8:51pm today whitehowfan thanks mate. With respect just whish i could meet Eric so i could put his F**&%g lights out the scumbag.Bring it on. The Raven tomorrow ?
smithy, st helens says...
8:39pm Mon 28 Jan 08
King Eric wrote:Eric has there only been one disater in Football (Munich) you'ed think so the way you bang on about it ho and only one plane crash.
Trying to point out that when your fans use "Munich" as abuse they are actually abusing English football. They need to learn, and so do some of you....
9 March 1946
Bolton Wanderers v Stoke City
2 January 1971
Celtic v Rangers
11 May 1985
Bradford City v Lincoln City
15 April 1989
Liverpool v Nottingham Forest
To name 4 just as tragic as Munich.
King Eric, says...
10:54pm Mon 28 Jan 08
The front cover of the menu card
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whitehowfan, Howfan says...
10:44pm Sat 26 Jan 08