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VOTE: School bans fizzy drinks
7:54am Monday 28th January 2008
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FIZZY drinks have been banned from a Bolton school in an attempt to boost the health of pupils.
Teachers at Smithills High also hope the move will improve the attention span of youngsters in class.
Water has been made freely available to all pupils, who have been told anybody seen with a can of pop will have it confiscated.
The decision was taken by the senior management team and follows the high school's successful bid for the Healthy Schools award, which it received last year.
Assistant headteacher Chris Wormald said: "The decision to ban cans at Smithills reflects the school's commitment to promoting a healthier lifestyle.
"The decision takes into account a host of issues, ranging from short-term behaviour and concentration in class to long-term tooth decay. By encouraging pupils to drink still water from re-usable plastic bottles, the collection of cans for re-cycling is also removed."
Senior managers say preventing pupils from drinking fizzy drinks will improve their concentration in class, as the additives are linked to hyperactive behaviour.
There have also been instances of pupils taking cans to school and selling them at a profit to their peers.
Deputy headteacher Chris Roberts told parents of the move in the school's newsletter. He said: "Schools are about much more than simply learning subjects. At Smithills School we want our pupils to develop healthy habits and live healthy lifestyles.
"We are very proud to have achieved Healthy School status.
"I'm sure parents will appreciate that we have every right to control what pupils consume on premises and will feel reassured to know their children are spending money wisely on healthy food and drinks rather than on cans of pop."
The school already has a number of initiatives in place to encourage young people to develop healthy eating habits.
They include providing healthy snacks and drinks at break times and ensuring school meals are nutritious.
The school got rid of its drinks vending machine three years ago and now water is freely available. Since the ban was introduced teachers say "very very few cans" have been confiscated.
Cllr Margaret Clare, member of Bolton Council's healthy overview and scrutiny committee, said the school was setting an example to others.
She added: "The committee works with Bolton Primary Care Trust and we do make health recommendations but cannot force schools to enforce them. This is an idea I welcome.
"What is the point if youngsters are being educated about healthy eating and then are drinking soft drinks, full of additives and sugar at break times? Schools are the perfect environment where young people can make educated choices. It is not taking choice away from them."
Other schools in the borough say they are always considering ways to encourage young people to be more healthy.
Assistant head of Harper Green in Farnworth, Sara Cain said: "We have taken the vending machines out of our school. Children cannot purchase soft drinks at school, we only have healthy drinks and water is free.
"If the school thought there was a problem with soft drinks being brought into premises, we would look into the issue."
Head of Withins School in Breightmet, Phil Mather said: "We already encourage young people not to bring soft drinks on to the premises. We provide pupils with smoothies and other alternatives. Schools across the borough have very positive initiatives in place to encourage young people to be healthy."
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Rocky, Bowton says...
8:34am Mon 28 Jan 08
Has Withins moved ?
Horwich Allstars, Horwich says...
8:40am Mon 28 Jan 08
However, until school stop thier pupils going out at lunchtimes and purchasing rubbish food and drink from nearby, then they will be onto a looser.
When I was at school you weren't allowed off the school premises at lunch..now it seems to be the norm
gabon, bury says...
9:10am Mon 28 Jan 08
Pump them full of flouride which was added to our water supply did any one ask if we wanted it,
No,
Bottle water is ok do we know whats in that and at 50p per small bottle ok its free in schools they say tap or bottle which is it i know i cant drink tap water anymore used to drink gallons tastes rancid now,
Sorry pupils something else not good for you along with burghers chips sweets the list is endless then they wonder why kids rebel
Itsybitsyspider, Cobweb In The Bedroom says...
9:18am Mon 28 Jan 08
I hope Smithills are also fully aware of the implications of removing coke and other sugar drinks from children at there school who are diabetic or who have insulin resistance and may require to carry such a drink such there blood sugar levels drop to low!
chas, suffolk says...
9:43am Mon 28 Jan 08
Andrew, Bury says...
10:17am Mon 28 Jan 08
Sun Tzu, says...
10:57am Mon 28 Jan 08
Sun Tzu, says...
11:01am Mon 28 Jan 08
Andrew wrote:Andrew is trying to hijack this thread and turn it into a thread about the economy. He will then move the debate from the economy onto race.
I thought schools had already taken pop off the menu. Financially could be a big hit as vending is a good mmoney spinner for schools although the wiser ones have puts can of juice etc in machines instead.
Ban Andrew and give us our community back.
Gloria, Bolton says...
11:15am Mon 28 Jan 08
Andrew, Bury says...
11:29am Mon 28 Jan 08
Gloria wrote:That's what I thought too. Menus changed at the same time although I'm not entirely convinced successfully given my boy seems to live on garlic bread and cookies!
My kids School, Rivington & Blackrod, banned fizzy drinks a good couple of years ago.......so this is not new.....If I recall correctly it was part of Ruth kellys changes in Education......
gabon, bury says...
11:38am Mon 28 Jan 08
RagReader, Horwich says...
11:43am Mon 28 Jan 08
Sun Tzu wrote:How did you read that into the above comment?
Andrew wrote: I thought schools had already taken pop off the menu. Financially could be a big hit as vending is a good mmoney spinner for schools although the wiser ones have puts can of juice etc in machines instead.Andrew is trying to hijack this thread and turn it into a thread about the economy. He will then move the debate from the economy onto race. Ban Andrew and give us our community back.
Offy47, Bolton says...
11:50am Mon 28 Jan 08
"Pump them full of flouride which was added to our water supply did any one ask if we wanted it,
No".
I was not aware that it had been decided to add fluoride.
Andrew, Bolton says...
12:03pm Mon 28 Jan 08
You'd have thought that I'd brought in a bottle of vodka and was consuming all of it in the class with the amount of fuss that it created.
Don't just force them to drink plain still water, give them the choice of other healthy options, too.
chas, suffolk says...
12:15pm Mon 28 Jan 08
Andrew, Bolton says...
12:18pm Mon 28 Jan 08
Andrew, Bolton says...
12:23pm Mon 28 Jan 08
Teachers are allowed to bring tea and coffee into classes, and other adults are allowed to have their cups of tea at the desk.
It's dangerous to rob children of their human rights to drink when they are thirsty, rather than when the bell sounds.
chas, suffolk says...
12:24pm Mon 28 Jan 08
boris, west sussex says...
12:28pm Mon 28 Jan 08
Australian Open tennis entries France 27 Uk 1. Winter sports Uk entries 0. Kids driven to school, even three or four hundred yards. Obesity on the rise. Nanny you've caused this. A ban on fizzy drinks, Nanny you are so clever.
Andrew, Bolton says...
12:30pm Mon 28 Jan 08
I agree, milk would be a sensible alternative. Indeed, at my school, they recently opened a 'milk bar' which has proved popular, along with other healthy snacks.
I fear that if schools 'ban' fizzy drinks, then they will simply have them at home.
What's needed is education, and also fizzy drinks and other 'junk', but in moderation.
chas, suffolk says...
12:34pm Mon 28 Jan 08
They include providing healthy snacks and drinks at break times and ensuring school meals are nutritious.
The school got rid of its
At Smithills School we want our pupils to develop healthy habits and live healthy lifestyles.If they want healthy habits, then get rid of snacks. Three proper meals per day only.
boris, west sussex says...
12:39pm Mon 28 Jan 08
The problem today is Mother's at work. When I was a kid a proper meal was eaten at tea time. Now it's junk instead.
chas, suffolk says...
12:44pm Mon 28 Jan 08
King Eric, says...
12:54pm Mon 28 Jan 08
Tomorrow, lamp posts in Ipswich.....
Zzzzzz
Andrew, Bury says...
12:59pm Mon 28 Jan 08
King Eric, says...
1:02pm Mon 28 Jan 08
boris, west sussex says...
1:05pm Mon 28 Jan 08
A question.
If smoking within hospital grounds sends out a bad health message, what message does obese Nurses send????
King Eric, says...
1:09pm Mon 28 Jan 08
You will of course be helping him with his legal costs ?
boris, west sussex says...
1:12pm Mon 28 Jan 08
I would rather be barmy than a tranny.
King Eric, says...
1:22pm Mon 28 Jan 08
How dare you come on a thread about healthy children after abusing your kids with your smoke.
boris, west sussex says...
1:26pm Mon 28 Jan 08
You've done it again. You have accused your father of poisoning you.
gabon, bury says...
1:31pm Mon 28 Jan 08
Because my one and yours have already been removed,
Even though we had a pop at each other,
Nothing nasty just good old bantter,
I think the days of a good old slanging match as gone,
Well it was good whilst it lasted PC 1 Others 0
boris, west sussex says...
1:36pm Mon 28 Jan 08
I don't know your age, probably 14, but previous posts of yours indicate middle aged. Your father, who you admit smokes, would definately have smoked near you when you were a child. Don't insult our intelligence by saying 40 years ago, he went outside your home for a smoke.
Andrew, Bolton says...
1:37pm Mon 28 Jan 08
I don't think we can entirely blame the "mothers at work" - many stay-at-home mothers feed little Jonny and Jessica whatever the darlings want, be it chocolate, crisps etc.
I still think that the answer lies in education, both of the children and the parents.
Snacks can be a good way to break the monotony of three meals a day, for example a piece of fruit, and that won't lead to obesity.
But let's face it, which child is going to choose a nice juicy orange over a chocolate bar?! Very few, I should think.
gabon, bury says...
1:49pm Mon 28 Jan 08
Like you said its alwright doing it but will the kids agree,
The old saying you can lead a horse to water weather it drinks is another matter.This day and age tis all about covienience not nutrition,
Athough when i was a lad you made do with what you could afford,
And sadly that is whats happening now.
boris, west sussex says...
1:49pm Mon 28 Jan 08
I certainly don't blame mother's working, it's an economic necessity for many families, but there is a knock-on effect.
Andrew, Bury says...
2:03pm Mon 28 Jan 08
gabon wrote:Nothing like a good piece of banter such as "i will find out where you live and realy sort you out" eh Don.
Now Now chaps you are going to get your posts removed if you keep nitpicking are they not eric, Because my one and yours have already been removed, Even though we had a pop at each other, Nothing nasty just good old bantter, I think the days of a good old slanging match as gone, Well it was good whilst it lasted PC 1 Others 0
Don't blame political correctness for the thoroughly irresponsible posting here. You and your pals went ape and the BN clamped down. Only yourselves to blame.
Andrew, Bury says...
2:06pm Mon 28 Jan 08
Andrew wrote:Most of my kids mates seem to have a proper, cooked tea every day. It's the rubbish they get to stuff inbetween meals that's the headache. Kids turn up in the morning eating crisps, sweets and drinking pop - 8 in the morning!
Indeed, we managed a few pleasant posts offering a bit of healthy debate, and then it all went downhill... I don't think we can entirely blame the "mothers at work" - many stay-at-home mothers feed little Jonny and Jessica whatever the darlings want, be it chocolate, crisps etc. I still think that the answer lies in education, both of the children and the parents. Snacks can be a good way to break the monotony of three meals a day, for example a piece of fruit, and that won't lead to obesity. But let's face it, which child is going to choose a nice juicy orange over a chocolate bar?! Very few, I should think.
boris, west sussex says...
2:07pm Mon 28 Jan 08
You are against free speech, you are pc, you are one of the many responsible for the plight of this country.
Andrew, Bury says...
2:08pm Mon 28 Jan 08
boris wrote:"i will find out where you live and realy sort you out"
Lord Longford of Bury You are against free speech, you are pc, you are one of the many responsible for the plight of this country.
Acceptable?
boris, west sussex says...
2:12pm Mon 28 Jan 08
No it's not acceptable. However it's not acceptable you being a poodle to the State.
gabon, bury says...
2:41pm Mon 28 Jan 08
Andrew bury on, you do appear to be a bit of a limp lettuce does anyone who says things on here get to you,
They dont get to me just a laugh most of the time,
Boris is right when he posted all those about you,
Course you are going to deny it but why keep bringing up old hat get over it unless you are realy a whimp obviously you have plenty of time on your hands to be on here through the day,
Me i have a genuine excuse i am retired,
Dont do much else cant afford to go out every day as you will find out once you try to live off the pension,
Happy days to look forward to,
Have a nice life till then.
Andrew, Bury says...
2:50pm Mon 28 Jan 08
gabon wrote:"i will find out where you live and realy sort you out" Not acceptable as pointed out by your chum.
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Andrew bury on, you do appear to be a bit of a limp lettuce does anyone who says things on here get to you, They dont get to me just a laugh most of the time, Boris is right when he posted all those about you, Course you are going to deny it but why keep bringing up old hat get over it unless you are realy a whimp obviously you have plenty of time on your hands to be on here through the day, Me i have a genuine excuse i am retired, Dont do much else cant afford to go out every day as you will find out once you try to live off the pension, Happy days to look forward to, Have a nice life till then.
gabon, bury says...
2:59pm Mon 28 Jan 08
I dont know him so how can he be my chum,
You not well Andrew Bury On,
You dont seem to have much to say,
Are you missing your buddies Rocky and Sun Tzu,
But also like my chum as he says are you a poodle to the state,
Must say i have not heard that saying maybe boris can explain it to me,
have a nice life untill pension Andrew
Andrew, Bolton says...
3:39pm Mon 28 Jan 08
gabon scripsit:
The old saying you can lead a horse to water weather it drinks is another matter.This day and age tis all about covienience not nutrition,
Where were we before World War Whatever-number-it-i
s-now broke out?
I don't think all these faddy chefs are helping matters very much. It's all about cooking "trendy" foods, which most children won't even look at, rather than cooking something which is "basic".
A simple soup is a good way to hide vegetables to get children to eat them, but when you start throwing in cheese and soured cream etc. etc., then they won't eat it.
Start them on the basics and they might progress onto eating healthily.
Nor should you ban them from drinking fizzy drinks (I realise the whole 'healthy eating' topic, while relevant, is going off on a slight tangent. Much like drinking wine, if it was introduced sensibly by the parents, the children wouldn't feel the need to "binge" on junk on the school bus.
gabon, bury says...
3:52pm Mon 28 Jan 08
Then make some dumplings,
You never tasted anything like it.
Used to look forward to it we named it glup,
RagReader, Horwich says...
3:57pm Mon 28 Jan 08
boris wrote:What brought that question up, why are you asking me?
Rugrat A question. If smoking within hospital grounds sends out a bad health message, what message does obese Nurses send????
I've no problem with obese nurses,why would I have?
boris, west sussex says...
4:01pm Mon 28 Jan 08
What brought that question up, why are you asking me?
I've no problem with obese nurses,why would I have?
I am asking you because you are a staunch anti smoker. It's a moral question. Smoking is banned in hospital grounds because it sends out the wrong message. With the growing problem of obesity, does not obese Nurses send out the wrong message???
RagReader, Horwich says...
4:05pm Mon 28 Jan 08
boris wrote:I've just looked back through the posts, once again,what made you come up with that weird question?
Rugrat A question. If smoking within hospital grounds sends out a bad health message, what message does obese Nurses send????
boris, west sussex says...
4:10pm Mon 28 Jan 08
You are avoiding the question, you are a hypocrite.
RagReader, Horwich says...
4:10pm Mon 28 Jan 08
boris wrote:I'm not a staunch anti smoker, I'm in agreement with the ban on smoking in public places.
Rugrat wroteWhat brought that question up, why are you asking me? I've no problem with obese nurses,why would I have?I am asking you because you are a staunch anti smoker. It's a moral question. Smoking is banned in hospital grounds because it sends out the wrong message. With the growing problem of obesity, does not obese Nurses send out the wrong message???
I'd be quite happy to be treated by an obese nurse, I'm not happy to breath in other people's smoke.
Andrew, Bury says...
4:12pm Mon 28 Jan 08
RagReader, Horwich says...
4:13pm Mon 28 Jan 08
boris wrote:Thought this debate was about drinks in schools, save your smoking comments for when Nicked Hogan's court case is over.
Rugrat You are avoiding the question, you are a hypocrite.
boris, west sussex says...
4:14pm Mon 28 Jan 08
I did not say banish Nurses, does an obese Nurse send out the wrong health message???
boris, west sussex says...
4:16pm Mon 28 Jan 08
You really are a hypocrite, you think smoking sends out a bad health message, but obesity does not. You really are thick.
gabon, bury says...
4:21pm Mon 28 Jan 08
A doctor told her to take a paitent outside for a cig she refused and he reported her,
Her point was she does not smoke herself
and did not like the thought of going outside the hospital grounds in the middle of winter with someone who is being treated on the NHS for smoking related illness,
Any views on this one
RagReader, Horwich says...
4:22pm Mon 28 Jan 08
boris wrote:Where did I say that?
Rugrat You really are a hypocrite, you think smoking sends out a bad health message, but obesity does not. You really are thick.
Quote - "I'd be quite happy to be treated by an obese nurse, I'm not happy to breath in other people's smoke.'
Is that saying obesity is OK?
boris, west sussex says...
4:24pm Mon 28 Jan 08
Smoking is legal, to deprive a smoker in hospital is bullying. Remember prisoners won a case about drugs and were awarded damages.
boris, west sussex says...
4:26pm Mon 28 Jan 08
What do you mean breath in someones smoke. If they are outside in the grounds, how would you be breathing it in???
gabon, bury says...
4:31pm Mon 28 Jan 08
boris, west sussex says...
4:33pm Mon 28 Jan 08
If the Nurse is standing in the open air, is she breathing in the patients smoke?? If she stands 10 feet from the patient is she breathing in the patients smoke?? She will however be breathing in all the carbon monoxide from nearby vehicles.
boris, west sussex says...
4:35pm Mon 28 Jan 08
I would say, if she was standing outside several feet from the smoker, she had no right to refuse.
busybee123, says...
4:36pm Mon 28 Jan 08
Andrew, Bolton says...
4:37pm Mon 28 Jan 08
I don't agree that people being treated by the NHS for smoking if they still continue to smoke. Surely they realise that the damage is already being done and therefore that should give them the incentive to quit?
But yes, there probably is another thread where we can debate this! ;-)
busybee123, says...
4:37pm Mon 28 Jan 08
Andrew, Bolton says...
4:38pm Mon 28 Jan 08
busybee123 wrote:I suppose the thinking is that if it stops them for a certain amount of time, then it's a good measure, but I'm inclined to agree with you.
whats the point? whats going to stop them buying them from shops before they go inschool? and when they go home?useless vote theres plenty more to worry about in the world
boris, west sussex says...
4:40pm Mon 28 Jan 08
There's also the issue of the patient being outside on a winter's day, but some people are happy to risk a chill for the sake of their cigarette.
This wasn't an issue when there was a smoking room. The govt and dogooders made it an issue.
boris, west sussex says...
4:47pm Mon 28 Jan 08
I don't agree that people being treated by the NHS for smoking if they still continue to smoke
What about sportsman who have required extensive surgery, only to continue with the sport, according to you they should not get any more treatment. With the projected obesity rate in 10 years, we will be turning away millions with your philosophy.
RagReader, Horwich says...
4:51pm Mon 28 Jan 08
boris wrote:Stop clutching at straws, you know full well I wasn't talking about people smoking outside.
Rugrat What do you mean breath in someones smoke. If they are outside in the grounds, how would you be breathing it in???
PS. The Nicked Hogan court result is now available,I'm off to have a look at that.
Andrew, Bolton says...
4:55pm Mon 28 Jan 08
If obese people are obese because of their poor diet and lack of exercise, and refuse to change, then yes, send them away, too. But if they're overweight because of a medical condition, then they should be treated for whatever may be wrong with them.
I have a lot of time for smokers who are unwell and are willing to quit after they've been treated. I have no time at all for those who continue on the cigarettes after (and sadly while) they have been treated.
Andrew, Bury says...
4:56pm Mon 28 Jan 08
boris wrote:Yes, but as RR pointed out a nurses obesity does not affect the well being of others. And the NHS is trying to tackle obesity among its own staff - just like schools are.
Lord Longford I did not say banish Nurses, does an obese Nurse send out the wrong health message???
Andrew, Bury says...
4:57pm Mon 28 Jan 08
busybee123 wrote:True enough. Buy pop on the way to school, sell it at a profit in school.
whats the point? whats going to stop them buying them from shops before they go inschool? and when they go home?useless vote theres plenty more to worry about in the world
chas, suffolk says...
5:10pm Mon 28 Jan 08
Andrew, Bolton says...
5:15pm Mon 28 Jan 08
chas wrote:It was boris et al that brought the topic of smoking up on this thread - I was merely answering a question put to me.
I see that andy has gone of the subject again. He blames everything on smoking. Next he'll be saying that fags cause aids.
For someone so keen on the FACTS, you so rarely get them right.
chas, suffolk says...
5:20pm Mon 28 Jan 08
Andrew, Bolton says...
5:23pm Mon 28 Jan 08
Opinions are quite vital, particularly when you have proved facts are so misused.
Here's a fact for you: chas can't hold an argument, so goes on the personal attack.
There's a fact for you. :-)
chas, suffolk says...
5:36pm Mon 28 Jan 08
Andrew, Bolton says...
5:48pm Mon 28 Jan 08
Do try to be more specific in which Andrew you're addressing - we're all so easily confused. :-)
chas, suffolk says...
5:51pm Mon 28 Jan 08
Do try to be more specific in which Andrew you're addressing - we're all so easily confusedI know.
Rocky, Bowton says...
5:53pm Mon 28 Jan 08
Andrew wrote:No it's not the spelling is terrible.
boris wrote:"i will find out where you live and realy sort you out"
Lord Longford of Bury You are against free speech, you are pc, you are one of the many responsible for the plight of this country.
Acceptable?
Andrew, Bolton says...
5:55pm Mon 28 Jan 08
chas wrote:I think it's ever since I stopped arguing with rational people and came on these message boards.
Do try to be more specific in which Andrew you're addressing - we're all so easily confusedI know.
You just thought you'd post your little aside about whichever one of us you were addressing starting on the topic of smoking that you'd provoke one of us into giving you a reaction.
Congratulations, it worked. You must be so proud.
Rocky, Bowton says...
5:58pm Mon 28 Jan 08
Offy47 wrote:IT hasn't been decided yet.
Extract from Gabon
"Pump them full of flouride which was added to our water supply did any one ask if we wanted it,
No".
I was not aware that it had been decided to add fluoride.
But even with 96% of Bolton against fluoridation it will happen because the PCT want to save the NHS money add to the fact there are not enough NHS dentists.
Oh and isn't it ironic.
The take a landlord to court becasue he didnt prevent smoking in a public place
Yet they indenmify the water companies from prosecution after passing a law which gives the PCT's the power to force water companies to add a toxin to your water and into your body.
It reminds of the leaves on the track saga.
Government :
Oh yes sorry its just the wrong type of TOXIN.........
chas, suffolk says...
6:13pm Mon 28 Jan 08
Congratulations, it worked. You must be so proud.No I'm not proud, I'm just confused as you appear to be two of a kind.
Andrew, Bolton says...
7:17pm Mon 28 Jan 08
chas wrote:As do you and all your smoking friends. Can't help it if two people from different towns have the same name and share the same views on certain topics.
Andrew wrote.Congratulations, it worked. You must be so proud.No I'm not proud, I'm just confused as you appear to be two of a kind.
I don't always side with Andrew from Bury, yet you always seem to side with those who are just downright vile.
We had a good argument on the other smoking thread re: smoking near babies, so I know you're capable of holding debate.
Do yourself a favour and get back to that, rather than just siding with the idiots who are out to cause trouble.
chas, suffolk says...
7:32pm Mon 28 Jan 08
Do yourself a favour and get back to that, rather than just siding with the idiots who are out to cause troublePot and kettle!
Andrew, Bolton says...
9:16pm Mon 28 Jan 08
chas wrote:You'd have been well to accept the compliments as exactly that.
Do yourself a favour and get back to that, rather than just siding with the idiots who are out to cause troublePot and kettle!
Thankfully we don't go around calling each other trannies, gays, whatever-else-it-mig
ht-be. Say what you like about Andrew from Bury, but he certainly doesn't do that either, nor does he go round threatening to attack people who don't agree with him, nor spread generally vile comments.
The comment thread will soon be history, which is sad, as then we won't be able to debate whether we should get freedom of speech.
boris calls anyone who doesn't agree with him a "prat" and even has the time to draw up a list of the 'premier league' prats.
I was very sorry they missed my point about witnessing people fighting for their last breath as emphysema robs them of their life.
I now realise that nothing will persuade people to give up smoking, but have given up trying to argue with them when all you get back is "prat", "driving kills more people than smoke" and the ping-pong between people who are too stubborn to bow out and just let the lunatics take charge of the asylum.
Like I say, their comments will rob us to our freedom of speech and sensible debate which once ruled the day here.
spice, bolton says...
9:34pm Mon 28 Jan 08
Andrew, Bolton says...
9:44pm Mon 28 Jan 08
There's no point being anti-smoking on that thread or else you risk boris putting you in a league table of "prats".
It was rascism the other day, now it's smoking, and all because there's a certain clique that detest each other.
spice, be like me and just give up. It's a whole lot easier. :-)
spice, bolton says...
10:08pm Mon 28 Jan 08
Andrew, Bolton says...
10:11pm Mon 28 Jan 08
Most of us non-smokers are in agreement with the whole "each to their own thing", but that's why we feel strongly about it not then being forced upon us in pubs.
Like me, I'm sure you'll agree that it's been a pleasant change not to come home reeking of smoke after a drink or a meal out!
spice, bolton says...
10:27pm Mon 28 Jan 08
Andrew, Bolton says...
10:31pm Mon 28 Jan 08
I had lost faith in anyone thinking that any more on these forums. Quite rightly, it seems they just keep quiet so they're not attacked, too.
I wish I'd done the same now.
spice, bolton says...
10:50pm Mon 28 Jan 08
chas, suffolk says...
9:00am Tue 29 Jan 08
Such a breath of fresh air to hear someone else saying thatThe majority do not want to be dictated to. Banning fizzy drinks, just another example.
Andrew, Bury says...
9:12am Tue 29 Jan 08
Rocky wrote:Who do you blame? Teachers or parents?
Andrew wrote:No it's not the spelling is terrible.boris wrote: Lord Longford of Bury You are against free speech, you are pc, you are one of the many responsible for the plight of this country."i will find out where you live and realy sort you out" Acceptable?
Andrew, Bury says...
9:13am Tue 29 Jan 08
chas wrote:We're talking chgildren here. Do you think we should give them unfettered access to other things from which they are banned. Fags? Booze? ****? Restricted films?
Such a breath of fresh air to hear someone else saying thatThe majority do not want to be dictated to. Banning fizzy drinks, just another example.
Andrew, Bury says...
9:14am Tue 29 Jan 08
chas, suffolk says...
9:46am Tue 29 Jan 08
We're talking chgildren here. Do you think we should give them unfettered access to other things from which they are banned. Fags? Booze? ****? Restricted films?Since when were they banned? I thought that you were a lover of fags.
Nobody is advocating children taking up these habits.
Andrew, Bury says...
10:15am Tue 29 Jan 08
chas wrote:Well fags, booze, p*rn etc are banned to schoolchildren.But you think bans are a bad thing when we protect the vulnerable by restrictions in a whole load of areas.
Andrew wroteWe're talking chgildren here. Do you think we should give them unfettered access to other things from which they are banned. Fags? Booze? ****? Restricted films?Since when were they banned? I thought that you were a lover of fags. Nobody is advocating children taking up these habits.
Nice touch of the usual puerile homophobic 'humour' there. Why can you not just stick to the topic in hand and desist from such inanities?
chas, suffolk says...
10:25am Tue 29 Jan 08
Andrew, Bury says...
10:29am Tue 29 Jan 08
chas wrote:In context of course, and in the context of pointing out the fallacy of your argument. You're just a professional wind up merchant.
Andrew. You are the one going off the topic. The topic is about fizzy drinks and snacks, but you have to go on about other bans.
chas, suffolk says...
10:43am Tue 29 Jan 08
Andrew, Bolton says...
2:57pm Tue 29 Jan 08
No-body bothers staying on topic on these threads any more, so why should Andrew from Bury, myself or anyone else for that matter?
spice is right - we shouldn't be drawn into such bickering, but it's just people post absolute tosh before going onto insults that one feels that one has to answer them back.
It's always nice when a new thread opens and most of us can get on with some sensible debate until the usual suspects show up.
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Tommy, says...
8:18am Mon 28 Jan 08
Interesting though.