And so, whilst our beloved leader Gordy, sucks up to the Chinese and Indians, 48 UK tax payers lose their jobs to be welcomed into the State system, don't you love this country.

So you only buy British then ? Thought you right wingers advocated free market economics ?

That's a British computer you're using to comment on is it Tubbs?

This is a British owned newspaper you are contributing too?

Stupid comments as usual from the two above,
You cant by british anymore,
Sucessive goverments have seen to that they commited the cardinal sin of selling off the family silver,
Marks& Spencers where one of they few that sold british goods not anymore,
So dont call tubby he got it spot on.

no but the computer was first invented in this country what tubby is saying do more to keep work in the uk rather than ship it all abroad just look at the energy industry now its all been sold to foreign countries we move onto cleaner more efficient nuclear power stations in ten years time until then we pay through the nose to foreigners who dont give a dump for the customers in this country.soon we will have to re-employ people into engineering as the stuff from foreigners will become to costly for companies in this country to afford.left or right wing there is never such a thing as FREE trade theres a price to be paid by all.

To right tom this was highlighted on TV sunday morning,
We sell the gas to france in summer dirt cheap they store it because we cant ??
Then sell it back to us inflated in winter.
Well done **** up brown and his bunch of cowboys.

It's all very well blaming the government but what of individual responsibility? People aren't willing to pay significantly more for UK produced goods, buy imported goods by the container load and yet moan that things are made abroad. Patriotic until it comes to dipping hands in pockets. Can't have it both ways.

I'm sorry that these people have lost their jobs but to be honest surprised that we even had a company producing exhaust components given we have no car industry - unless they were supplying one of the assembly plants

And who do you blame for having no industy o wise one.
Goods made abroad are cheap because they dont have human rights law out there and have to work for a pittance either that or starve.
Also blame a lot on the unions over here thay started the rot with greed,
But then they had to because this country taxes you to the hilt.
There is loads of ways you can look at it Andrew but succesive goverments are to blame.

We did have a compamy that made exhausts and components it started in bolton then moved to little lever,
This i do know because i worked for the company that owned it.
It was owned by Bolton Gate Co and was situated in Waterloo St

Successive governments yes, with Thatcher at the root.

China has a poor human rights record although I would have thought you approved of that given you seem to think human rights are to blame for all ills.

This country does not tax the rich to the hilt. The tax burden is unfairly spread. The TUC estimates we lose £13 billion a year through tax dodges.

But it still doesn't alter the fact that we're all complicit in globalisation, unless we only buy locally sourced products. Which we don't. Give up your cheap imported goods and you may have a point.

Andrew wrote:
It's all very well blaming the government but what of individual responsibility? People aren't willing to pay significantly more for UK produced goods, buy imported goods by the container load and yet moan that things are made abroad. Patriotic until it comes to dipping hands in pockets. Can't have it both ways. I'm sorry that these people have lost their jobs but to be honest surprised that we even had a company producing exhaust components given we have no car industry - unless they were supplying one of the assembly plants

Andrew cars do sometimes need replacement exhausts.

I agree with you on the thatcher point.Human rights have two categories
first scrotes who should not have human rights second the people who are being exploited for gain do.
So lets get that clear.
As far as tax dodgers are concerned who are the biggets culprits of this,
Not joe bloggs who goes out to work and pays through his wage packets and as no choice,
Its the fat cats with fancy accontants who rob this country blind
with there many loopholes.
Lastly who is the cause of cheap imports.
???????????????????

Also doesn't cheap imports keep inflation down? The less you spend the less it affects the economy.

The computer was invented in Manchester..but, I don't think it's possible to purchase a UK built system using UK components ? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Erica, the man with a dodgy toupee, I'm surprised you post anything after being exposed as a fraud and a phoney by Sarah Jones.

I'll tell you something about a lot of imported goods, many HAVE to be finished to standard over here. If instead of snuggling up, why doesn't Brown raise import duties on some goods to protect what's left of our industry ?

You cant blame everything on Thatcher, Labour have had 11 years in which they've decimated what was left.Expensive red tape is through the roof, elf and safety is prohibitive, tax, NI contributions, Corporation Tax all contribute and if you believe the inflation lies.

Unions..how many men to change a light bulb..at GEC in the 70's it was 6. Should I go on ?

It is in 25-30 years time you should be looking not now, though Andrew and Erica, cant see past today so how can you expect any sense ?

If it is truly made in England and is quality, yes I'll support it, though I do have a preference for German made as it lasts a lifetime and have always saved to buy the best, it's cheaper in the long term.

Lollipop wrote:

Andrew wrote: It's all very well blaming the government but what of individual responsibility? People aren't willing to pay significantly more for UK produced goods, buy imported goods by the container load and yet moan that things are made abroad. Patriotic until it comes to dipping hands in pockets. Can't have it both ways. I'm sorry that these people have lost their jobs but to be honest surprised that we even had a company producing exhaust components given we have no car industry - unless they were supplying one of the assembly plants

Andrew cars do sometimes need replacement exhausts.

Good point!!

Evesham is a UK manufactured PC brand. Whether the components are all UK sourced I don't know and doubt.

"I do have a preference for German" So there you go then

Evesham don't use UK components or even build many of their systems over here, they rebrand.

There are many things German made, that are simply not manufactured by UK Companies. Given a choice of Chinese, Japanese..I'll go German.

Unless something's changed Evesham design, build and support their products in the UK

Erica, the man with a dodgy toupee, I'm surprised you post anything after being exposed as a fraud and a phoney by Sarah Jones.

No toupee. Looks like you are wrong once again.
No fraud, no phoney either.
Still annoyed you can't get into my stylish club..?

You mean the club full of pretentious unsophisticated w*nkers and rapist sportsmen ? Or Essential or Manto ?

Andrew, they're purchased in almost kit form, then configured to customer requirements.

You mean the club full of pretentious unsophisticated w*nkers and rapist sportsmen ? Or Essential or Manto ?

No.
Quite clear that all your money can't get you into the places for interesting, trendy bods like Le Roi.
A lesson here for all of us.
Style is temporary, class is permanent.

Toodle Pip

Yes, very much like your "new gaff" Warlus. How was it described ? A Lawrence Llewelyn Bowen wet dream on LSD.Polka dot walls, and sensory torture on every wall, enough to turn anybody epileptic.

Oops, then you backtracked, claiming to review it.

Class indeed.

It's one of the bars I go in on my NQ crawls, alongside Trof, Odd, Rodeo...I like a mix of bar cultures.
You've obviously never been near it as its name is Walrus.
I was also providing a review as a favour for a friend working on a new listings mag for Manchester......

Andrew wrote:
It's all very well blaming the government but what of individual responsibility? People aren't willing to pay significantly more for UK produced goods, buy imported goods by the container load and yet moan that things are made abroad. Patriotic until it comes to dipping hands in pockets. Can't have it both ways. I'm sorry that these people have lost their jobs but to be honest surprised that we even had a company producing exhaust components given we have no car industry - unless they were supplying one of the assembly plants

Andrew,
I agree with you about buying cheap imported goods.What i will say is you comment on people not being willing to pay more for uk produced goods.Is it possible to buy uk goods,they are very few and far between.This country is now a supermarket country vertually everything in forein ownership,no industrys of our own left,we are in a right state and i fear for future generations.

Well name it, the listings mag. It's quite simple then you may just have a tad of credibility.

And no, I haven't been, I have no need to spend my leisure time with the pretentious and the pretenders, (all of whom wish they were me).

You see, real money, real class does not need to display or manifest it's self.

Something you and your plastic chums wouldn't know much about.Hence the need to be seen in the "latest" trying to hang on with plentiful young boys, all whilst carrying the dodgy toupee (that moves in opposite direction to movement).

This thread was going along really well,with interesting posts, and then what happens the lunatics take over again with their stupid rants at one another,do you really think anyone is interested in your sexual preferances,you seem to hijack every thread with the same rubbish get a life for goodness sake,or maybe a job do anything but change the record its getting really boring.

Well said spice. I'm fed up with certain people commenting on their sexual preferences.

A lot of ( probably most) money associated with imports is tied up with the transport, distribution and selling of those items. So when you buy that Chinese made widget you are keeping an awful lot of British people employed. So relax.

john wrote:
A lot of ( probably most) money associated with imports is tied up with the transport, distribution and selling of those items. So when you buy that Chinese made widget you are keeping an awful lot of British people employed. So relax.

Try telling that to the truck drivers who are based down south. They'll tell you that truckers from the EU are under cutting them due to the fact they buy cheaper fuel and are not subject to our road tax.

Think of all the CO2s to get the goods here.

One word Globalisation. A big word which sounds impressive and has been bandied about by politicains and businessmen alike, until almost everyone is suckered into believing it's the new industrial revolution, it's the answer to all ills and it will make us all prosperous.

In reality it won't do any of these things for the ordinary people of Britain. It has made rich people richer and kept second rate politicians in their jobs for a few extra years.

It makes no sense whatsoever to make ourselves dependant on other countries for our food, goods and energy needs.
They are selling all this to us. Yet we have nothing to offer them, except borrowed money, the supply of which is now drying up.
We are not producing anything. Therfore, we make no money to buy these foriegn goods ect.
When the recession really starts to bite we will not have the borrowed money available to buy these things either.

We should never have run down all our industry, power and farming. They should have been subsidised. This would have preserved them and kept money and jobs in the country.

We as a country are facing some very hard times. Only a very few old folks will remember anything like what is on the way.

Andrew wrote:
That's a British computer you're using to comment on is it Tubbs?

This is a British owned newspaper you are contributing too?

100% of the computers we use are built in the far east.

Only "Some" of the processors come from Ireland.

I see again Andrew spouting things you know nothing about.

Andrew wrote:
Unless something's changed Evesham design, build and support their products in the UK

No they USED to Mr Know nothing

tom3465 wrote:
no but the computer was first invented in this country what tubby is saying do more to keep work in the uk rather than ship it all abroad just look at the energy industry now its all been sold to foreign countries we move onto cleaner more efficient nuclear power stations in ten years time until then we pay through the nose to foreigners who dont give a dump for the customers in this country.soon we will have to re-employ people into engineering as the stuff from foreigners will become to costly for companies in this country to afford.left or right wing there is never such a thing as FREE trade theres a price to be paid by all.

Charles Babbage to be precise

King Eric wrote:

You mean the club full of pretentious unsophisticated w*nkers and rapist sportsmen ? Or Essential or Manto ?

No.
Quite clear that all your money can't get you into the places for interesting, trendy bods like Le Roi.
A lesson here for all of us.
Style is temporary, class is permanent.

Toodle Pip

The only class you have is that from your crossbreed of kids.

Tubby Scruff wrote:
The computer was invented in Manchester..but, I don't think it's possible to purchase a UK built system using UK components ? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Erica, the man with a dodgy toupee, I'm surprised you post anything after being exposed as a fraud and a phoney by Sarah Jones.

I'll tell you something about a lot of imported goods, many HAVE to be finished to standard over here. If instead of snuggling up, why doesn't Brown raise import duties on some goods to protect what's left of our industry ?

You cant blame everything on Thatcher, Labour have had 11 years in which they've decimated what was left.Expensive red tape is through the roof, elf and safety is prohibitive, tax, NI contributions, Corporation Tax all contribute and if you believe the inflation lies.

Unions..how many men to change a light bulb..at GEC in the 70's it was 6. Should I go on ?

It is in 25-30 years time you should be looking not now, though Andrew and Erica, cant see past today so how can you expect any sense ?

If it is truly made in England and is quality, yes I'll support it, though I do have a preference for German made as it lasts a lifetime and have always saved to buy the best, it's cheaper in the long term.

Tubby what have I missed..

I mean I always knew Eric was a liar as he cut and pastes and steals everything from everywhere else.

He claims to have class.

Unlike us, he will never be original.

King Eric wrote:
It's one of the bars I go in on my NQ crawls, alongside Trof, Odd, Rodeo...I like a mix of bar cultures.
You've obviously never been near it as its name is Walrus.
I was also providing a review as a favour for a friend working on a new listings mag for Manchester......

NQ is that New Queer?

Rocky wrote:

Andrew wrote: That's a British computer you're using to comment on is it Tubbs? This is a British owned newspaper you are contributing too?

100% of the computers we use are built in the far east. Only "Some" of the processors come from Ireland. I see again Andrew spouting things you know nothing about.

My point being that we rely on cheap imported goods and readily buy cheap imported goods. I did point out that unless something's changed Evesham made PCs here. So something has changed. Well whoopy dio Mr Cheap Insult.

Anyway surely you and Tubbs should boycott this foreign owned newspaper? That would be an easy sacrifice to make for your cause. Go comment on a British owned site and make your own stand against globalisation.

Andrew - Are you in favour of globalisation?

eric andrew bury ragreader zimmy they are like laxatives,
They irritate the cr-- out of you,
Either that or lava lamps good to look at but not very bright

Sun Tzu wrote:
Andrew - Are you in favour of globalisation?

Andrew won't answer this question.

In his previous post Andrew appears to be support a change from reliance on cheap imported goods.
Yet Andrew's previous views appear to support cheap imported labour.

Cake and eat it springs to mind.

Sun Tzu wrote:
Andrew - Are you in favour of globalisation?

He wont answer sun because he wont be sure if it is the right one.

Go comment on a British owned site and make your own stand against globalisation.

Aha, you mean such as the BNP site ? There, I've said it for you, no doubt you'll feel so much better ?

Grow up you tedious irritant,open your eyes to what's going on !

Rocky wrote:

Sun Tzu wrote:
Andrew - Are you in favour of globalisation?

He wont answer sun because he wont be sure if it is the right one.

He won't because he can't without accusation of hypocrisy.

Game, set and match Tzu.

Sun Tzu wrote:
Andrew - Are you in favour of globalisation?

No, but I believe in fair, international trade. Whilst we operate in a globalised economy I'm not hypocritical enough to see that with the negatives come positives. Others seem to fail, or are unwilling, to understand how they benefit from the relative cheapness and convenience of imported goods. how many people eat seasonal foods these days? Very, very few because they can buy Spanish tomatoes, Israeli strawberries etc in winter. So, if anyone's a hypocrite.....

Tubby Scruff wrote:

Go comment on a British owned site and make your own stand against globalisation.

Aha, you mean such as the BNP site ? There, I've said it for you, no doubt you'll feel so much better ? Grow up you tedious irritant,open your eyes to what's going on !

No, I mean a British owned news site, not a the rest home for the feeble minded far right. I'm sure you can see the point I'm making.

As for your "he won't answer" comment Rocky, I just have. Sorry not to be at your beck and call.

gabon wrote:
eric andrew bury ragreader zimmy they are like laxatives, They irritate the cr-- out of you, Either that or lava lamps good to look at but not very bright

More quality comments of the playground insult variety. Globalisation too long a word for you?

Andrew wrote:

Sun Tzu wrote: Andrew - Are you in favour of globalisation?

No, but I believe in fair, international trade. Whilst we operate in a globalised economy I'm not hypocritical enough to see that with the negatives come positives. Others seem to fail, or are unwilling, to understand how they benefit from the relative cheapness and convenience of imported goods. how many people eat seasonal foods these days? Very, very few because they can buy Spanish tomatoes, Israeli strawberries etc in winter. So, if anyone's a hypocrite.....

Fail to see that should read.

The international labour market is a large part of globalisation Andrew. Have you changed your stance on unfettered immigration?

Sun Tzu wrote:
The international labour market is a large part of globalisation Andrew. Have you changed your stance on unfettered immigration?

And he's off, back on his favoured, laboured far right rant. Fair international trade is what I said.

Night night Mein Sun. Don't have nightmares about those brown people will you.

Andrew wrote:

Sun Tzu wrote:
The international labour market is a large part of globalisation Andrew. Have you changed your stance on unfettered immigration?

And he's off, back on his favoured, laboured far right rant. Fair international trade is what I said.

Night night Mein Sun. Don't have nightmares about those brown people will you.

Good night hypocrit.

Andrew is happy to allow unrestricted movement of peoples between countries, yet seems to be against unrestricted movement of goods.

Just how he proposes we achieve this simultaneous contradiction, only he and a select band of pixies understand.

When Poland and other Eastern European states joined the EU, ministers blithely said that the impact of immigration from these new member states on this country would merely amount to somewhere between 5,000 and 13,000 people a year.

For good measure, they denounced as racist those who warned that this was an absurd underestimate.

Of course, as is now well known, the numbers arriving here from Poland alone has amounted to at least 150,000 a year, and the true figure is probably far bigger. Yet we have yet to receive an apology for this egregious act of public deception.

Office of National Statistics (ONS), which predicted that Britain's population will surge from the present 60 million to an unbelievable 71million over the course of the next generation.

By 2051, it is projected to stand at 75million. The majority of this increase will come from immigration. It is worth bearing in mind that England, which will bear the brunt, is already extremely densely populated.

Whereas France has 289 people for every square mile, in England, 1,007 of us struggle to live in the same space.

THE next wave of immigration, according to the ONS figures, will bring an extra population the equivalent of 11 new cities the size of Birmingham.

This huge demographic change will put unimaginable pressure on schools and hospitals, and strain our already overloaded transport structure beyond breaking point. It has massive implications for social cohesion and our national culture.

What is certain is that it will change the kind of country we are in ways that are impossible to anticipate.

David Coleman, professor of demography at Oxford University, gave evidence to the House of Lords economic affairs committee.

He said: "The absent-minded commitment into which we have drifted, to house a further 15million people, must be the biggest unintended consequence of Government policy of almost any century."

If he is right, it is impossible to overstate the importance of the official ONS figures. In this context, it was amazing that not a single senior politician felt such allegations merited a response.

Gordon Brown (as so often happens when really important matters are at stake) has remained silent.

Indeed, the official Downing Street spokesman, when asked to comment, went out of his way to play down the figures.

Equally, there was no discussion of the matter at Prime Minister's Questions, even though the statistics had been published the previous day.

I've been arguing the land mass issue for years (population per square mile)

Yet when doing so been called a racist.

How exactly stating fact is racist I've no idea.

These numpties don't want to accept fact. There happy to plod on with their utopian dream while the country is destroyed from within.

The listings mag is the most famous in the UK, looking at a poss Manc edition.

The listings mag is the most famous in the UK, looking at a poss Manc edition.

Of course they are dear. So you are a liar and a phoney and why ? How can you do a review for a non existent magazine..

Nobody has mentioned the number of babies born to foreigners. In parts of the Country they outnumber those born to natives.

You really show yourself up, they did an edition for the Lab Party conference.
It's getting boring proving you wrong.

looking at a poss Manc edition.

Your words,you cant even provide accurate information ? Spin and lies, smoke and mirrors.

You are embarrassing yourself now with your lack of knowledge and your misguided blatherings.
1 It's Time Out
2 They have alreedy done a Manchester edition for the Lab conference
3 They are looking at a regular Manchester edition

I hope your staff are reading this so they can see what a know nothing you are.

Well, we all know this is tosh and how ? By the time it's taken you to Google to discover who has launched a Manchester edition. And how do we know ? It's exactly what I did.

They are looking at a regular Manchester edition

Again a lie. It already exists.

Time Out Manchester magazine does not exist you complete turkey.
If you weren't such a boasting bullying bling merchant I might feel sorry for your humiliation.
As it is I'm sitting here laughing at you along with others on here.
There is a website but as yet no regular magazine.

I see, so you know the Editor ? Bill ? I do.

Anyway how has Time Out manifested it's self from.

"The listings mag is the most famous in the UK".

Kindly explain.

King Eric wrote:
You really show yourself up, they did an edition for the Lab Party conference.
It's getting boring proving you wrong.

So your a press officer for the labour party?

Explains your feeble support of their policies.

I see, so you know the Editor ? Bill ? I do.
Anyway how has Time Out manifested it's self from.
"The listings mag is the most famous in the UK".
Kindly explain.

Don't know him, know of him. He's a Citeh fan. Decent article in Esquire, other month about foreign owners etc.
Time Out is the best known listing mag in the UK, and poss the world.

So did you buy a copy of the magazine...?


And if you do call him tell him I have some inside football info that he as a Blue will not like....

No no no.
The question is.
"How has Time Out manifested it's self from.
"The listings mag is the most famous in the UK".

Explain please.

King Eric wrote:
You are embarrassing yourself now with your lack of knowledge and your misguided blatherings. 1 It's Time Out 2 They have alreedy done a Manchester edition for the Lab conference 3 They are looking at a regular Manchester edition I hope your staff are reading this so they can see what a know nothing you are.

They have an online edition. They were supposed to launch a Manc edition last year and ballsed up spectacularly. If they think that the way to woo Mancunians is to exploit a party conference, pledge a spring launch, scrap in and launch a stupidly low budget online alternative, well.....

Tubby,have to laugh at people who regard the Daily Mail as a reliable source on anything other than the vaccouus nature of the Beckhams. More fine work - I suppose as they are clearly not experts in the field of race and immigration you can, by Sun's logic, trust them though.

No no no.
The question is.
"How has Time Out manifested it's self from.
"The listings mag is the most famous in the UK".

Explain please.

The question is. You told us that Time Out magazine exists.
You were wrong.
I've set you the challenge, go and buy a copy before 1800 otherwise you are compounding your embarrassment.
And if you don't know it's the UK's most famous listing brand then I give up.

"The Listings Mag" is the only one that is a figment of your imagination, hence the smoke and mirrors to distract attention away.

Andrew wrote:

King Eric wrote:
You are embarrassing yourself now with your lack of knowledge and your misguided blatherings. 1 It's Time Out 2 They have alreedy done a Manchester edition for the Lab conference 3 They are looking at a regular Manchester edition I hope your staff are reading this so they can see what a know nothing you are.

They have an online edition. They were supposed to launch a Manc edition last year and ballsed up spectacularly. If they think that the way to woo Mancunians is to exploit a party conference, pledge a spring launch, scrap in and launch a stupidly low budget online alternative, well.....

Tubby,have to laugh at people who regard the Daily Mail as a reliable source on anything other than the vaccouus nature of the Beckhams. More fine work - I suppose as they are clearly not experts in the field of race and immigration you can, by Sun's logic, trust them though.

So you read socialist worker then?

"The Listings Mag" is the only one that is a figment of your imagination, hence the smoke and mirrors to distract attention away.

It was written in lower case as in 'the listings magazine' not as its actual title.
Jeez, do you understand the difference ?
The only bluff is you making an ar.se of yourself by saying Time Out Manchester magazine exists.

But it does.On-Line but, It's called Time Out, not "the listings mag."

Lowercase, uppercase it doesn't matter.what matters is you making false claims, basically lies.

Posted by: Tubby Scruff on 9:01am today
They are looking at a regular Manchester edition
Again a lie. It already exists.

The magazine does not exist.
I've answered the name point elsewhere.......you obviously don't understand.

LOL ! So why claim to be reviewing for a non existent magazine.

Pure fantasy.

To repeat. Time Out is looking at launching a regular paper magazine. It did a 'dummy' run for the Lab Conference.
It will be called "Time Out Manchester', not 'the listings magazine'.
'listings magazine' is a description.

Rocky wrote:

Andrew wrote:

King Eric wrote: You are embarrassing yourself now with your lack of knowledge and your misguided blatherings. 1 It's Time Out 2 They have alreedy done a Manchester edition for the Lab conference 3 They are looking at a regular Manchester edition I hope your staff are reading this so they can see what a know nothing you are.

They have an online edition. They were supposed to launch a Manc edition last year and ballsed up spectacularly. If they think that the way to woo Mancunians is to exploit a party conference, pledge a spring launch, scrap in and launch a stupidly low budget online alternative, well..... Tubby,have to laugh at people who regard the Daily Mail as a reliable source on anything other than the vaccouus nature of the Beckhams. More fine work - I suppose as they are clearly not experts in the field of race and immigration you can, by Sun's logic, trust them though.

So you read socialist worker then?

No.

Time Out is looking at launching a regular paper magazine

But to be fair Tony Elliott has been 'looking' at this hard copy edition for nearly a year now. He first confirmed an October 07 launch in March 07. Since then we have seen Crains announced, recruiting and up and running by December.
As Mr Elliott is worth £93m, I'm sure he could stump up some funds for six months if he really wanted to, but it seems that the backers he was looking for do not share his optimism. I think we all know where this is going...

Nigel you are an ex journalist so this seems to prove Eric's story ???
To coin a stupid football song
Let's all laugh at Tubby la la la la

Nigel McFarlane wrote:

Time Out is looking at launching a regular paper magazine

But to be fair Tony Elliott has been 'looking' at this hard copy edition for nearly a year now. He first confirmed an October 07 launch in March 07. Since then we have seen Crains announced, recruiting and up and running by December. As Mr Elliott is worth £93m, I'm sure he could stump up some funds for six months if he really wanted to, but it seems that the backers he was looking for do not share his optimism. I think we all know where this is going...

Down the pan. They will have really hacked off potential advertisers and they're paying online contributors buttons by the looks.

So Erica is lost in space when he claims to be writing it's reviews?

Meanwhile about 50 families suffer the blight of redundancy.

Thanks for thinking of them rather than resorting to self-indulgent chit chat.