Special report: How 'bedroom tax' has left 11,000 people in Bolton waiting for just 91 one-bed homes

The Bolton News: ‘FOI REQUEST’ Jacqueline Galloway ‘FOI REQUEST’ Jacqueline Galloway

BOLTON is facing a “bedroom tax” crisis after it was revealed more than 11,000 people are on the waiting list for just 91 one-bed homes.

The “bedroom tax” was introduced in April in an effort to cut waiting lists for larger families.

People in receipt of Housing Benefit have their benefits reduced if they are in homes deemed to be too big for their needs, losing 14 per cent for one spare bedroom and 25 per cent for two or more.

But critics have hit out of the scheme, claiming there is not enough social housing, especially one-bedroom properties, available for people to downsize.

And Bolton’s Conservatives have called on social landlords not to evict tenants if there is nowhere suitable for them to move.

Council bosses say they are working with social landlords to “address this shortage”.

Bolton at Home — the borough’s biggest social landlord which has 18,000 properties — claims it would take it between three and eight years to move everyone to suitably sized accommodation, but says about 20 tenants a month are moving or downsizing.

But a Freedom of Information (FOI) request submitted to UK councils by a Westhoughton mum has revealed that, in May, Bolton had 91 one-bedroom properties available to let — with 11,070 people on the waiting list.

School meals supervisor Jacqueline Galloway, aged 42, of The Pungle, submitted the FOI and is a member of several bedroom tax campaign groups.

Branding the charge “immoral”, she said: “Although I’m not affected at the moment, my son might go to uni or leave home.

“I’m just a normal Joe Bloggs who thinks it’s unfair.

“When I’ve been to protests the different kinds of people there is unbelievable, there are people in wheelchairs and with walking aids. I thought the figures were shocking.”

Figures were provided by other councils, included Bournemouth, which had 1,763 people competing for 19 properties, Wolver-hampton, which had 118 properties and 6,821 on its list, and Aberdeen, which had 3,855 waiting for 89 properties.

Cllr Andy Morgan, deputy leader of Bolton Conservative group, said: “There will inevitably be problems with implementing this benefit change and the system needs to be adaptable enough to look at each case on its merits.

“It is clear there is a shortage of suitable accommodation to downsize to and I would urge Bolton at Home and this council not to carry out any evictions if occupants have applied to downsize but cannot because of the lack of smaller properties and who have subsequently fallen into rent arrears because of this benefit change.

“There has been a lot said about people downsizing but the facts are there are two million households in England on housing waiting lists and 250,000 families living in over-crowded accommodation, these people deserve to be appropriately housed as well.”

Bolton Council says the figure was correct on the day the FOI was submitted, but said 912 one bedroom properties and 53 bedsits were advertised for letting during 2012-13.

It added the way it calculates its waiting list is different from other authorities, and that the 11,000 figure may include people who have put their name down for any property, even if the one they are currently in is suitable.

A council spokeswoman, said: “We do recognise that there is a shortage of affordable housing and the council will be working with its housing associations partners to address this shortage.”

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11:21am Thu 18 Jul 13

wsw69 says...

Result of a 'very well' thought out plan by the hopeless Tories.

The nation is run by thicko buffoons, as is the local council. All they are a figure crunchers and have completely no idea of real world stuff.
Result of a 'very well' thought out plan by the hopeless Tories. The nation is run by thicko buffoons, as is the local council. All they are a figure crunchers and have completely no idea of real world stuff. wsw69
  • Score: 19

11:45am Thu 18 Jul 13

Jim271 says...

They need to free up houses for the Bulgarians and Romanians that will swarm over here next year demanding free houses and healthcare.

Visit Avondale Health Centre on a Friday afternoon and only the staff are speaking English.
They need to free up houses for the Bulgarians and Romanians that will swarm over here next year demanding free houses and healthcare. Visit Avondale Health Centre on a Friday afternoon and only the staff are speaking English. Jim271
  • Score: 12

11:53am Thu 18 Jul 13

mdavies11 says...

Why would any go to uni? Just do nothing, et voila, free stuff all your life.
Why would any go to uni? Just do nothing, et voila, free stuff all your life. mdavies11
  • Score: -9

11:58am Thu 18 Jul 13

Balboa says...

Surely the problem is not that 11,000 are "waiting" for a new home...it's that 11,000 can't / won't find work to pay for the comfortbale homes provided at the taxpayer's expense?
Surely the problem is not that 11,000 are "waiting" for a new home...it's that 11,000 can't / won't find work to pay for the comfortbale homes provided at the taxpayer's expense? Balboa
  • Score: -18

12:03pm Thu 18 Jul 13

dddf23 says...

Im in a one bed flat with 2 small children and caint get moved move me to a bigger property and they got 92 then.
Im in a one bed flat with 2 small children and caint get moved move me to a bigger property and they got 92 then. dddf23
  • Score: 2

12:15pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Bilulek says...

The govt didn't really think this thing through properly and made a right mess. However, people in social housing forget these are NOT their houses. If you get the house from the council then make sure you understand it's not for life, life circumstances change and so do your housing needs. Can't be that you get a 4 bed house at the age of 20 coz you have kids and stay in it till you're dead. Plus can't stand arguments like this one: “When I’ve been to protests the different kinds of people there is unbelievable, there are people in wheelchairs and with walking aids. I thought the figures were shocking.” Not that being disabled or in a wheelchair makes you need more bedrooms.
The govt didn't really think this thing through properly and made a right mess. However, people in social housing forget these are NOT their houses. If you get the house from the council then make sure you understand it's not for life, life circumstances change and so do your housing needs. Can't be that you get a 4 bed house at the age of 20 coz you have kids and stay in it till you're dead. Plus can't stand arguments like this one: “When I’ve been to protests the different kinds of people there is unbelievable, there are people in wheelchairs and with walking aids. I thought the figures were shocking.” Not that being disabled or in a wheelchair makes you need more bedrooms. Bilulek
  • Score: -6

12:31pm Thu 18 Jul 13

mdavies11 says...

Just generally, I like the way this report is really tendentious and dishonest, the reporter knows that now everyone in Bolton thinks 11,000 people who need one bed homes will pay the bedroom tax, because only 91 such homes are available.

Which is not true.
Just generally, I like the way this report is really tendentious and dishonest, the reporter knows that now everyone in Bolton thinks 11,000 people who need one bed homes will pay the bedroom tax, because only 91 such homes are available. Which is not true. mdavies11
  • Score: 2

12:53pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Pyro12 says...

Balboa wrote:
Surely the problem is not that 11,000 are "waiting" for a new home...it's that 11,000 can't / won't find work to pay for the comfortbale homes provided at the taxpayer's expense?
What makes you think that all 11,000 are not working. Just because someone works doesn't mean they can afford private rented or own their own home.
Just because someone wants council doesn't mean they don't work.
[quote][p][bold]Balboa[/bold] wrote: Surely the problem is not that 11,000 are "waiting" for a new home...it's that 11,000 can't / won't find work to pay for the comfortbale homes provided at the taxpayer's expense?[/p][/quote]What makes you think that all 11,000 are not working. Just because someone works doesn't mean they can afford private rented or own their own home. Just because someone wants council doesn't mean they don't work. Pyro12
  • Score: 16

1:10pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Balboa says...

Pyro12 wrote:
Balboa wrote:
Surely the problem is not that 11,000 are "waiting" for a new home...it's that 11,000 can't / won't find work to pay for the comfortbale homes provided at the taxpayer's expense?
What makes you think that all 11,000 are not working. Just because someone works doesn't mean they can afford private rented or own their own home.
Just because someone wants council doesn't mean they don't work.
Pyro, if they were all working they would not all be receiving and/or relying solely on housing benefit, which itself infers they would be geared toward affordable / social / council housing. If someone wants council housing it should be aimed at those in greatest need, surely?
[quote][p][bold]Pyro12[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Balboa[/bold] wrote: Surely the problem is not that 11,000 are "waiting" for a new home...it's that 11,000 can't / won't find work to pay for the comfortbale homes provided at the taxpayer's expense?[/p][/quote]What makes you think that all 11,000 are not working. Just because someone works doesn't mean they can afford private rented or own their own home. Just because someone wants council doesn't mean they don't work.[/p][/quote]Pyro, if they were all working they would not all be receiving and/or relying solely on housing benefit, which itself infers they would be geared toward affordable / social / council housing. If someone wants council housing it should be aimed at those in greatest need, surely? Balboa
  • Score: -15

1:20pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Bolton Lad 85 says...

dddf23 wrote:
Im in a one bed flat with 2 small children and caint get moved move me to a bigger property and they got 92 then.
Maybe your lack of English is the reason you are not an attractive proposition in the job market. If you worked on your grammar, tax payers would not pay your rent. Have the children YOU can afford and provide for.
[quote][p][bold]dddf23[/bold] wrote: Im in a one bed flat with 2 small children and caint get moved move me to a bigger property and they got 92 then.[/p][/quote]Maybe your lack of English is the reason you are not an attractive proposition in the job market. If you worked on your grammar, tax payers would not pay your rent. Have the children YOU can afford and provide for. Bolton Lad 85
  • Score: -4

1:21pm Thu 18 Jul 13

corbettruss says...

Balboa wrote:
Pyro12 wrote:
Balboa wrote:
Surely the problem is not that 11,000 are "waiting" for a new home...it's that 11,000 can't / won't find work to pay for the comfortbale homes provided at the taxpayer's expense?
What makes you think that all 11,000 are not working. Just because someone works doesn't mean they can afford private rented or own their own home.
Just because someone wants council doesn't mean they don't work.
Pyro, if they were all working they would not all be receiving and/or relying solely on housing benefit, which itself infers they would be geared toward affordable / social / council housing. If someone wants council housing it should be aimed at those in greatest need, surely?
pyro 12 50% of people working are in social housing they recieve housing benefit because of the low wages employers pay them
[quote][p][bold]Balboa[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pyro12[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Balboa[/bold] wrote: Surely the problem is not that 11,000 are "waiting" for a new home...it's that 11,000 can't / won't find work to pay for the comfortbale homes provided at the taxpayer's expense?[/p][/quote]What makes you think that all 11,000 are not working. Just because someone works doesn't mean they can afford private rented or own their own home. Just because someone wants council doesn't mean they don't work.[/p][/quote]Pyro, if they were all working they would not all be receiving and/or relying solely on housing benefit, which itself infers they would be geared toward affordable / social / council housing. If someone wants council housing it should be aimed at those in greatest need, surely?[/p][/quote]pyro 12 50% of people working are in social housing they recieve housing benefit because of the low wages employers pay them corbettruss
  • Score: 15

1:34pm Thu 18 Jul 13

thomas ryder says...

Balboa wrote:
Surely the problem is not that 11,000 are "waiting" for a new home...it's that 11,000 can't / won't find work to pay for the comfortbale homes provided at the taxpayer's expense?
A large % of these will be people who work and cant afford to pay full rent because they dont get enough money to live on by working for employers who prefer the tax payer pay them in working tax credits rather than themselves.
[quote][p][bold]Balboa[/bold] wrote: Surely the problem is not that 11,000 are "waiting" for a new home...it's that 11,000 can't / won't find work to pay for the comfortbale homes provided at the taxpayer's expense?[/p][/quote]A large % of these will be people who work and cant afford to pay full rent because they dont get enough money to live on by working for employers who prefer the tax payer pay them in working tax credits rather than themselves. thomas ryder
  • Score: 13

2:05pm Thu 18 Jul 13

mdavies11 says...

It depends what you mean by working, I mean the dinner lady in the story is "working" technically, but only a pitiful 5 hours a week (not school holidays).
It depends what you mean by working, I mean the dinner lady in the story is "working" technically, but only a pitiful 5 hours a week (not school holidays). mdavies11
  • Score: 8

3:22pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Balboa says...

corbettruss wrote:
Balboa wrote:
Pyro12 wrote:
Balboa wrote:
Surely the problem is not that 11,000 are "waiting" for a new home...it's that 11,000 can't / won't find work to pay for the comfortbale homes provided at the taxpayer's expense?
What makes you think that all 11,000 are not working. Just because someone works doesn't mean they can afford private rented or own their own home.
Just because someone wants council doesn't mean they don't work.
Pyro, if they were all working they would not all be receiving and/or relying solely on housing benefit, which itself infers they would be geared toward affordable / social / council housing. If someone wants council housing it should be aimed at those in greatest need, surely?
pyro 12 50% of people working are in social housing they recieve housing benefit because of the low wages employers pay them
Does that imply 87.5% of working people earn sufficient to pay for private housing (rent or bought)?

I don't know the answer to my own question, but the original point I intended to make was that some can't or won't find work. It's the latter which are more a concern in these tough times.
[quote][p][bold]corbettruss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Balboa[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pyro12[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Balboa[/bold] wrote: Surely the problem is not that 11,000 are "waiting" for a new home...it's that 11,000 can't / won't find work to pay for the comfortbale homes provided at the taxpayer's expense?[/p][/quote]What makes you think that all 11,000 are not working. Just because someone works doesn't mean they can afford private rented or own their own home. Just because someone wants council doesn't mean they don't work.[/p][/quote]Pyro, if they were all working they would not all be receiving and/or relying solely on housing benefit, which itself infers they would be geared toward affordable / social / council housing. If someone wants council housing it should be aimed at those in greatest need, surely?[/p][/quote]pyro 12 50% of people working are in social housing they recieve housing benefit because of the low wages employers pay them[/p][/quote]Does that imply 87.5% of working people earn sufficient to pay for private housing (rent or bought)? I don't know the answer to my own question, but the original point I intended to make was that some can't or won't find work. It's the latter which are more a concern in these tough times. Balboa
  • Score: -6

3:27pm Thu 18 Jul 13

english n proud says...

Ain't giving my council flat up, loving it, cheap rent, 2 bed, living it large..
Ain't giving my council flat up, loving it, cheap rent, 2 bed, living it large.. english n proud
  • Score: 0

5:49pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Pyro12 says...

I didn't mean to say "all", but im sure you can see what i was trying to say.
I didn't mean to say "all", but im sure you can see what i was trying to say. Pyro12
  • Score: 3

5:50pm Thu 18 Jul 13

grimtown says...

Prehaps if the £2 million pound rent arrears where met I could have sympathy but as my council tax has gone through the roof since new labours government no i don't the true cost of housing needs to be paid or bring back the work houses or debters jail for defaulters.
Prehaps if the £2 million pound rent arrears where met I could have sympathy but as my council tax has gone through the roof since new labours government no i don't the true cost of housing needs to be paid or bring back the work houses or debters jail for defaulters. grimtown
  • Score: -8

5:55pm Thu 18 Jul 13

grimtown says...

Our labour council rehousing asylum seekers while they have a lack of properties is madness.

There must be a point to all this misery in bolton why else would the ben be running so many related articles.

Its not the current governments fault the country is over populated.
Our labour council rehousing asylum seekers while they have a lack of properties is madness. There must be a point to all this misery in bolton why else would the ben be running so many related articles. Its not the current governments fault the country is over populated. grimtown
  • Score: 9

5:56pm Thu 18 Jul 13

thomas ryder says...

grimtown wrote:
Prehaps if the £2 million pound rent arrears where met I could have sympathy but as my council tax has gone through the roof since new labours government no i don't the true cost of housing needs to be paid or bring back the work houses or debters jail for defaulters.
I do hope you or your family never need help.
[quote][p][bold]grimtown[/bold] wrote: Prehaps if the £2 million pound rent arrears where met I could have sympathy but as my council tax has gone through the roof since new labours government no i don't the true cost of housing needs to be paid or bring back the work houses or debters jail for defaulters.[/p][/quote]I do hope you or your family never need help. thomas ryder
  • Score: 4

5:58pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Bangkoktommy says...

Please stop using the labour term bedroom tax. It is heavily biased and inaccurate. A tax is an amount deducted from income earned. This takes no money from an earned income. This policy is very necessary if disruptive for some people but fair nevertheless
Please stop using the labour term bedroom tax. It is heavily biased and inaccurate. A tax is an amount deducted from income earned. This takes no money from an earned income. This policy is very necessary if disruptive for some people but fair nevertheless Bangkoktommy
  • Score: 1

6:08pm Thu 18 Jul 13

mr.mark.c says...

Bangkoktommy wrote:
Please stop using the labour term bedroom tax. It is heavily biased and inaccurate. A tax is an amount deducted from income earned. This takes no money from an earned income. This policy is very necessary if disruptive for some people but fair nevertheless
Not exactly fair as the only people not affected are the working, the elderly and last but not least, the all time biggy......
The chav baby factories.
The latter being the ones that should be targeted.
[quote][p][bold]Bangkoktommy[/bold] wrote: Please stop using the labour term bedroom tax. It is heavily biased and inaccurate. A tax is an amount deducted from income earned. This takes no money from an earned income. This policy is very necessary if disruptive for some people but fair nevertheless[/p][/quote]Not exactly fair as the only people not affected are the working, the elderly and last but not least, the all time biggy...... The chav baby factories. The latter being the ones that should be targeted. mr.mark.c
  • Score: 5

7:11pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Minime666 says...

Some very rude, ignorant people commenting on this post!! If you had intelligence yourselves, then you would have also read the article about the working mother who is struggling to pay it! She has one bedroom spare and works as a teaching assistant and doesn't get a wage when children are on school holidays!! So many people so quick to judge. Lets hope you don't end up in this situation as quite easily could happen!
Some very rude, ignorant people commenting on this post!! If you had intelligence yourselves, then you would have also read the article about the working mother who is struggling to pay it! She has one bedroom spare and works as a teaching assistant and doesn't get a wage when children are on school holidays!! So many people so quick to judge. Lets hope you don't end up in this situation as quite easily could happen! Minime666
  • Score: 4

7:24pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Malcolm Tucker says...

A few myth busters

According to the governments own figures, 2 thirds of those affected by the Bedroom Tax (*and lets say it as it is!) are disabled people. People affected also tend to be working people who receive some element of housing benefit, which is based on their take home pay. Its this element that gets wiped out in many cases. In some examples, it would make it more beneficial to give up the low paid work and go on 100% benefits. Another well thought through policy from this shambles.

Grimtown: Council Tax does not and never has subsidised rents. Check it if you don't believe it.

According to may economists, there wont be any savings made for the Government as a result of this Tax. In fact some predict the bill will go up, as housing benefit for social housing is lower then for private rented. If people move from social to private, the bill goes up.

Finally. A Tory Councillor whinging about it now is a bit too late!!
A few myth busters According to the governments own figures, 2 thirds of those affected by the Bedroom Tax (*and lets say it as it is!) are disabled people. People affected also tend to be working people who receive some element of housing benefit, which is based on their take home pay. Its this element that gets wiped out in many cases. In some examples, it would make it more beneficial to give up the low paid work and go on 100% benefits. Another well thought through policy from this shambles. Grimtown: Council Tax does not and never has subsidised rents. Check it if you don't believe it. According to may economists, there wont be any savings made for the Government as a result of this Tax. In fact some predict the bill will go up, as housing benefit for social housing is lower then for private rented. If people move from social to private, the bill goes up. Finally. A Tory Councillor whinging about it now is a bit too late!! Malcolm Tucker
  • Score: 8

7:33pm Thu 18 Jul 13

JohnDeeEye says...

Please show your support for the people affected by this unfair tax...
Take thirty seconds to sign our growing petition against the Bedroom Tax now at:
http://you.38degrees
.org.uk/p/bedroom-ta
x
Thank you...
Please show your support for the people affected by this unfair tax... Take thirty seconds to sign our growing petition against the Bedroom Tax now at: http://you.38degrees .org.uk/p/bedroom-ta x Thank you... JohnDeeEye
  • Score: -1

7:56pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Beyond News Forum says...

Create a scam in which people have to pay bedroom tax because the only other option is the streets as there are no properties available. I must admit it is the perfect scam. The perfect not-so-stealth tax.

Yes the problem of social housing is a problem, I might add that it is a problem that was created by the government (whichever party has been in charge) just giving out houses without any thought.

I smell a class action, I sense a class action. If there is a problem with a product you either ask for a refund or get a replacement, in this case there is no replacement so a refund is in order. If you do not get a refund you go to court - this is the law.

Now let us look at this another way, either way you look at it whether there has been a council tax single persons discount or full payments have been made by property owners, then the property taxes have been paid. You cannot sell a TV at Curry's then ask a rep to go round to the customers house to pay up another £50.00 because Curry's decide that they should be charging more 3 weeks later.

Think about it people. It is the governments fault, they are screwing the working classes and the welfare claimants because they cannot be ar$ed chasing the corporations and banks that fund them.

You people should see how the law feels about it, as well as the much loved European Court of Human Rights.

Of course there are those who say you do not get nothing for nothing and that the welfare system is wrong until they need the help.

You see government shills everywhere backing up this factually failing policy all the while the banks have got away with daylight robbery, the corporations get away with tax legally and all the while we the people had no say in whether or not we should have allowed banks to fail.

It is a two tier system, one for the rich and the rest of you can go swing - simple.

Just see sense and make a stand against these elitist scumbags and stop fighting among yourselves. THEY are the ones you need to be biatching at and not each other.

PEACE!
Create a scam in which people have to pay bedroom tax because the only other option is the streets as there are no properties available. I must admit it is the perfect scam. The perfect not-so-stealth tax. Yes the problem of social housing is a problem, I might add that it is a problem that was created by the government (whichever party has been in charge) just giving out houses without any thought. I smell a class action, I sense a class action. If there is a problem with a product you either ask for a refund or get a replacement, in this case there is no replacement so a refund is in order. If you do not get a refund you go to court - this is the law. Now let us look at this another way, either way you look at it whether there has been a council tax single persons discount or full payments have been made by property owners, then the property taxes have been paid. You cannot sell a TV at Curry's then ask a rep to go round to the customers house to pay up another £50.00 because Curry's decide that they should be charging more 3 weeks later. Think about it people. It is the governments fault, they are screwing the working classes and the welfare claimants because they cannot be ar$ed chasing the corporations and banks that fund them. You people should see how the law feels about it, as well as the much loved European Court of Human Rights. Of course there are those who say you do not get nothing for nothing and that the welfare system is wrong until they need the help. You see government shills everywhere backing up this factually failing policy all the while the banks have got away with daylight robbery, the corporations get away with tax legally and all the while we the people had no say in whether or not we should have allowed banks to fail. It is a two tier system, one for the rich and the rest of you can go swing - simple. Just see sense and make a stand against these elitist scumbags and stop fighting among yourselves. THEY are the ones you need to be biatching at and not each other. PEACE! Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 10

8:09pm Thu 18 Jul 13

grimtown says...

thomas ryder wrote:
grimtown wrote:
Prehaps if the £2 million pound rent arrears where met I could have sympathy but as my council tax has gone through the roof since new labours government no i don't the true cost of housing needs to be paid or bring back the work houses or debters jail for defaulters.
I do hope you or your family never need help.
Yep but I wouldn't sit on benefits for years if you can't afford it ! My council tax has rocketed to help fund council houses and their rent arrears. BMC wrote of £300 million when Bolton at home took over managing the councils housing stock. What could you do with £300 million.

Too many demands this council couldn't run a bath they blame the lib dem con alliance yet the problem was here well before.

A council is not for life buy a house or expect your landlord to demand market rates which council houses are well below market rates.
[quote][p][bold]thomas ryder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]grimtown[/bold] wrote: Prehaps if the £2 million pound rent arrears where met I could have sympathy but as my council tax has gone through the roof since new labours government no i don't the true cost of housing needs to be paid or bring back the work houses or debters jail for defaulters.[/p][/quote]I do hope you or your family never need help.[/p][/quote]Yep but I wouldn't sit on benefits for years if you can't afford it ! My council tax has rocketed to help fund council houses and their rent arrears. BMC wrote of £300 million when Bolton at home took over managing the councils housing stock. What could you do with £300 million. Too many demands this council couldn't run a bath they blame the lib dem con alliance yet the problem was here well before. A council is not for life buy a house or expect your landlord to demand market rates which council houses are well below market rates. grimtown
  • Score: 0

8:25pm Thu 18 Jul 13

grimtown says...

What a piece of socialists crap this article is.

WhenI drive past coubcil houses the gardens in general a **** tips where the residents never collect litter or weed the paves.

They what their arses wiping for everything if theres litter ion the pavement they walk past it.

The vast majority don't look after the property at all.

For this reaso alone you can double the rent.

Bolton at home is Boltons biggest employer and thus residents need to pay their wages bill and contribute to the councils coffers.

Bolton council is morally and finacially bankrupt yet they have economies of scale far beyond most councils dreams.

Mis managed and incompitent.......
What a piece of socialists crap this article is. WhenI drive past coubcil houses the gardens in general a **** tips where the residents never collect litter or weed the paves. They what their arses wiping for everything if theres litter ion the pavement they walk past it. The vast majority don't look after the property at all. For this reaso alone you can double the rent. Bolton at home is Boltons biggest employer and thus residents need to pay their wages bill and contribute to the councils coffers. Bolton council is morally and finacially bankrupt yet they have economies of scale far beyond most councils dreams. Mis managed and incompitent....... grimtown
  • Score: -4

8:35pm Thu 18 Jul 13

underwater says...

dddf23 wrote:
Im in a one bed flat with 2 small children and caint get moved move me to a bigger property and they got 92 then.
Why did you have 2 kids if you did not have suitable living accomadation.Or did you just assume that the taxpayers would house you . Stop moaning you had them, you must do something about putting a decent sized roof over your heads.
[quote][p][bold]dddf23[/bold] wrote: Im in a one bed flat with 2 small children and caint get moved move me to a bigger property and they got 92 then.[/p][/quote]Why did you have 2 kids if you did not have suitable living accomadation.Or did you just assume that the taxpayers would house you . Stop moaning you had them, you must do something about putting a decent sized roof over your heads. underwater
  • Score: -2

8:39pm Thu 18 Jul 13

mr.mark.c says...

underwater wrote:
dddf23 wrote:
Im in a one bed flat with 2 small children and caint get moved move me to a bigger property and they got 92 then.
Why did you have 2 kids if you did not have suitable living accomadation.Or did you just assume that the taxpayers would house you . Stop moaning you had them, you must do something about putting a decent sized roof over your heads.
Why not move single women out of 4 bed houses ?
[quote][p][bold]underwater[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dddf23[/bold] wrote: Im in a one bed flat with 2 small children and caint get moved move me to a bigger property and they got 92 then.[/p][/quote]Why did you have 2 kids if you did not have suitable living accomadation.Or did you just assume that the taxpayers would house you . Stop moaning you had them, you must do something about putting a decent sized roof over your heads.[/p][/quote]Why not move single women out of 4 bed houses ? mr.mark.c
  • Score: 1

9:23pm Thu 18 Jul 13

bigwummin says...

For all the "Im alright Jacks" When the government come after you then nobody will give a ****.And most council tax pays for council pensions,not the feckless unemployed as the government like to lie about.
For all the "Im alright Jacks" When the government come after you then nobody will give a ****.And most council tax pays for council pensions,not the feckless unemployed as the government like to lie about. bigwummin
  • Score: 4

10:10pm Thu 18 Jul 13

NotPCme says...

Did you know that if you and your wife are in full time employment you will not get a council house and they wont even put you on the waiting list!

Social housing is for people on benefits these days.

It now cost £114 for a three bedroom council house and this is social housing!

Was social housing not created for people who couldn't afford to buy their own homes?

The whole system is rotten to the core!
Did you know that if you and your wife are in full time employment you will not get a council house and they wont even put you on the waiting list! Social housing is for people on benefits these days. It now cost £114 for a three bedroom council house and this is social housing! Was social housing not created for people who couldn't afford to buy their own homes? The whole system is rotten to the core! NotPCme
  • Score: -1

10:15pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Malcolm Tucker says...

grimtown wrote:
thomas ryder wrote:
grimtown wrote:
Prehaps if the £2 million pound rent arrears where met I could have sympathy but as my council tax has gone through the roof since new labours government no i don't the true cost of housing needs to be paid or bring back the work houses or debters jail for defaulters.
I do hope you or your family never need help.
Yep but I wouldn't sit on benefits for years if you can't afford it ! My council tax has rocketed to help fund council houses and their rent arrears. BMC wrote of £300 million when Bolton at home took over managing the councils housing stock. What could you do with £300 million.

Too many demands this council couldn't run a bath they blame the lib dem con alliance yet the problem was here well before.

A council is not for life buy a house or expect your landlord to demand market rates which council houses are well below market rates.
Grimdik, you are a total tool.

Council Tax does not, nor has it ever, funded subsidised rents, not does it pay for new social housing. Rent accounts for social housing have to be stand alone accounts, by law. Rental income is spent on tenants homes. Any write off of arrears (which is an accounting term, as the arrears are sold to debt collectors) have to be absorbed within that account.

Social housing rents are not subsidised. You think this because they are lower than a private sector rent. Its the other way around. Private sector rents are artificially inflated. If the rental income brings in enough money to provide decent landlord services, then its set at the right level. The higher rents in the private sector (usually terraced) are set higher because they include the profit margin. This is where young people today are being forced, because there is a shortage of affordable social rented properties and because they cant get a mortgage if they tried. Presumably you're happy with this and think they probably deserve it.

The £300 million you refer to was a debt owed to the Government, and had been on the books for decades. It is the same with any housing organsiation. It was the method used to borrow money to build houses, and it would never have been paid off. A bit like the national debt.

I realise that facts are an annoying distraction for someone like you, but you should go look for them every now and then.
[quote][p][bold]grimtown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas ryder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]grimtown[/bold] wrote: Prehaps if the £2 million pound rent arrears where met I could have sympathy but as my council tax has gone through the roof since new labours government no i don't the true cost of housing needs to be paid or bring back the work houses or debters jail for defaulters.[/p][/quote]I do hope you or your family never need help.[/p][/quote]Yep but I wouldn't sit on benefits for years if you can't afford it ! My council tax has rocketed to help fund council houses and their rent arrears. BMC wrote of £300 million when Bolton at home took over managing the councils housing stock. What could you do with £300 million. Too many demands this council couldn't run a bath they blame the lib dem con alliance yet the problem was here well before. A council is not for life buy a house or expect your landlord to demand market rates which council houses are well below market rates.[/p][/quote]Grimdik, you are a total tool. Council Tax does not, nor has it ever, funded subsidised rents, not does it pay for new social housing. Rent accounts for social housing have to be stand alone accounts, by law. Rental income is spent on tenants homes. Any write off of arrears (which is an accounting term, as the arrears are sold to debt collectors) have to be absorbed within that account. Social housing rents are not subsidised. You think this because they are lower than a private sector rent. Its the other way around. Private sector rents are artificially inflated. If the rental income brings in enough money to provide decent landlord services, then its set at the right level. The higher rents in the private sector (usually terraced) are set higher because they include the profit margin. This is where young people today are being forced, because there is a shortage of affordable social rented properties and because they cant get a mortgage if they tried. Presumably you're happy with this and think they probably deserve it. The £300 million you refer to was a debt owed to the Government, and had been on the books for decades. It is the same with any housing organsiation. It was the method used to borrow money to build houses, and it would never have been paid off. A bit like the national debt. I realise that facts are an annoying distraction for someone like you, but you should go look for them every now and then. Malcolm Tucker
  • Score: 7

10:18pm Thu 18 Jul 13

mr.mark.c says...

NotPCme wrote:
Did you know that if you and your wife are in full time employment you will not get a council house and they wont even put you on the waiting list!

Social housing is for people on benefits these days.

It now cost £114 for a three bedroom council house and this is social housing!

Was social housing not created for people who couldn't afford to buy their own homes?

The whole system is rotten to the core!
£96 for a 4 bedroom house, and get your fact right before spouting rubbish about who gets the houses.
[quote][p][bold]NotPCme[/bold] wrote: Did you know that if you and your wife are in full time employment you will not get a council house and they wont even put you on the waiting list! Social housing is for people on benefits these days. It now cost £114 for a three bedroom council house and this is social housing! Was social housing not created for people who couldn't afford to buy their own homes? The whole system is rotten to the core![/p][/quote]£96 for a 4 bedroom house, and get your fact right before spouting rubbish about who gets the houses. mr.mark.c
  • Score: 4

10:46pm Thu 18 Jul 13

toryhater says...

Bilulek wrote:
The govt didn't really think this thing through properly and made a right mess. However, people in social housing forget these are NOT their houses. If you get the house from the council then make sure you understand it's not for life, life circumstances change and so do your housing needs. Can't be that you get a 4 bed house at the age of 20 coz you have kids and stay in it till you're dead. Plus can't stand arguments like this one: “When I’ve been to protests the different kinds of people there is unbelievable, there are people in wheelchairs and with walking aids. I thought the figures were shocking.” Not that being disabled or in a wheelchair makes you need more bedrooms.
really? so if you have a disability and need your own room, but are married you don't need 2 rooms - get real, are you ignorant or just stupid? why just because you live in social housing are your rights different? you are not entitled to a home?? I am lucky and privileged, I am educated to a level which allows me to be able to purchase my own house, I say lucky as my sister has suffered some real challenges health wise (no fault of her own) and she relies on benefit and social housing - is she the undeserving?? the skiver?? bring back the work house eh?
[quote][p][bold]Bilulek[/bold] wrote: The govt didn't really think this thing through properly and made a right mess. However, people in social housing forget these are NOT their houses. If you get the house from the council then make sure you understand it's not for life, life circumstances change and so do your housing needs. Can't be that you get a 4 bed house at the age of 20 coz you have kids and stay in it till you're dead. Plus can't stand arguments like this one: “When I’ve been to protests the different kinds of people there is unbelievable, there are people in wheelchairs and with walking aids. I thought the figures were shocking.” Not that being disabled or in a wheelchair makes you need more bedrooms.[/p][/quote]really? so if you have a disability and need your own room, but are married you don't need 2 rooms - get real, are you ignorant or just stupid? why just because you live in social housing are your rights different? you are not entitled to a home?? I am lucky and privileged, I am educated to a level which allows me to be able to purchase my own house, I say lucky as my sister has suffered some real challenges health wise (no fault of her own) and she relies on benefit and social housing - is she the undeserving?? the skiver?? bring back the work house eh? toryhater
  • Score: 4

10:48pm Thu 18 Jul 13

toryhater says...

Balboa wrote:
Pyro12 wrote:
Balboa wrote:
Surely the problem is not that 11,000 are "waiting" for a new home...it's that 11,000 can't / won't find work to pay for the comfortbale homes provided at the taxpayer's expense?
What makes you think that all 11,000 are not working. Just because someone works doesn't mean they can afford private rented or own their own home.
Just because someone wants council doesn't mean they don't work.
Pyro, if they were all working they would not all be receiving and/or relying solely on housing benefit, which itself infers they would be geared toward affordable / social / council housing. If someone wants council housing it should be aimed at those in greatest need, surely?
yes of course, force them into private vulture renting landlords, then MOST of their hard earned cash can go into the pocket of the capitalists
[quote][p][bold]Balboa[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pyro12[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Balboa[/bold] wrote: Surely the problem is not that 11,000 are "waiting" for a new home...it's that 11,000 can't / won't find work to pay for the comfortbale homes provided at the taxpayer's expense?[/p][/quote]What makes you think that all 11,000 are not working. Just because someone works doesn't mean they can afford private rented or own their own home. Just because someone wants council doesn't mean they don't work.[/p][/quote]Pyro, if they were all working they would not all be receiving and/or relying solely on housing benefit, which itself infers they would be geared toward affordable / social / council housing. If someone wants council housing it should be aimed at those in greatest need, surely?[/p][/quote]yes of course, force them into private vulture renting landlords, then MOST of their hard earned cash can go into the pocket of the capitalists toryhater
  • Score: 1

10:50pm Thu 18 Jul 13

catalonia says...

some strange comments on this article, I think some may not have manged to read/understand it!

how can it ever be "fair" to reduce someone's housing benefit for a spare room when they have no hope of downsizing and working people ARE affected by the bedroom Tax if they are on a low income, which many working people are!
some strange comments on this article, I think some may not have manged to read/understand it! how can it ever be "fair" to reduce someone's housing benefit for a spare room when they have no hope of downsizing and working people ARE affected by the bedroom Tax if they are on a low income, which many working people are! catalonia
  • Score: 5

10:52pm Thu 18 Jul 13

toryhater says...

Bolton Lad 85 wrote:
dddf23 wrote:
Im in a one bed flat with 2 small children and caint get moved move me to a bigger property and they got 92 then.
Maybe your lack of English is the reason you are not an attractive proposition in the job market. If you worked on your grammar, tax payers would not pay your rent. Have the children YOU can afford and provide for.
does everyone have to fit into your single minded 'box' you don't know her or her circumstances. I angered by your comments - embarrassing.com
[quote][p][bold]Bolton Lad 85[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dddf23[/bold] wrote: Im in a one bed flat with 2 small children and caint get moved move me to a bigger property and they got 92 then.[/p][/quote]Maybe your lack of English is the reason you are not an attractive proposition in the job market. If you worked on your grammar, tax payers would not pay your rent. Have the children YOU can afford and provide for.[/p][/quote]does everyone have to fit into your single minded 'box' you don't know her or her circumstances. I angered by your comments - embarrassing.com toryhater
  • Score: 1

11:16pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Martindalewj says...

One of the problems is that Bolton’s councillors just will not allow any development of new one bedroom flats. I applied today to build four one bed roomed flats and this was supported by the planning officer who had recommended it for approval. I am a Bolton approved accredited landlord.

But for political reasons the councillors chose to ignore their own planning offers recommendations to starve the residents of Westhoughton of four affordable good quality dwellings.

John Martindale
One of the problems is that Bolton’s councillors just will not allow any development of new one bedroom flats. I applied today to build four one bed roomed flats and this was supported by the planning officer who had recommended it for approval. I am a Bolton approved accredited landlord. But for political reasons the councillors chose to ignore their own planning offers recommendations to starve the residents of Westhoughton of four affordable good quality dwellings. John Martindale Martindalewj
  • Score: 5

11:39pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Merlin says...

grimtown wrote:
Prehaps if the £2 million pound rent arrears where met I could have sympathy but as my council tax has gone through the roof since new labours government no i don't the true cost of housing needs to be paid or bring back the work houses or debters jail for defaulters.
I agree bring back the work houses but not for pensioners or disabled, that would sort some problems out
[quote][p][bold]grimtown[/bold] wrote: Prehaps if the £2 million pound rent arrears where met I could have sympathy but as my council tax has gone through the roof since new labours government no i don't the true cost of housing needs to be paid or bring back the work houses or debters jail for defaulters.[/p][/quote]I agree bring back the work houses but not for pensioners or disabled, that would sort some problems out Merlin
  • Score: -2

1:19am Fri 19 Jul 13

Reality50 says...

The Bolton News are misleading in their headline. Mass immigration plus lack of new state house building the past decade has caused this crisis much more than the bedroom tax. I don't agree with the bedroom tax but mass immigration is the bigger reason as to the crisis.
The Bolton News are misleading in their headline. Mass immigration plus lack of new state house building the past decade has caused this crisis much more than the bedroom tax. I don't agree with the bedroom tax but mass immigration is the bigger reason as to the crisis. Reality50
  • Score: 8

8:05am Fri 19 Jul 13

JJKBolton says...

This policy was thought up by some bird brain accountant working behind the scenes at tory party office. He will have looked at the census results and decided that there are:-
"x" number of 1 bedroom properties,
"y" number of 2 bedroom properties and so on in the country as a whole.

From this he will have determined that if every single person occupying a 2 or 3 bed property moves into a single bed property and that every young family in a single bed property who needs a 3 bed property swap round, the country's entire housing problems could be dealt with "at a stroke"(now who said that all those years ago?).

Seriously though, this country has been quite deliberately and systematically run and ruined by accountants.

Their job is to account for where and how much money is spent on a particular item NOT TO DECIDE AND DICTATE HOW IT IS SPENT. The sooner accountants are stripped of these powers the better for everyone.
This policy was thought up by some bird brain accountant working behind the scenes at tory party office. He will have looked at the census results and decided that there are:- "x" number of 1 bedroom properties, "y" number of 2 bedroom properties and so on in the country as a whole. From this he will have determined that if every single person occupying a 2 or 3 bed property moves into a single bed property and that every young family in a single bed property who needs a 3 bed property swap round, the country's entire housing problems could be dealt with "at a stroke"(now who said that all those years ago?). Seriously though, this country has been quite deliberately and systematically run and ruined by accountants. Their job is to account for where and how much money is spent on a particular item NOT TO DECIDE AND DICTATE HOW IT IS SPENT. The sooner accountants are stripped of these powers the better for everyone. JJKBolton
  • Score: 2

10:30am Fri 19 Jul 13

Changing times says...

As previously stated this is not a tax, it's simply ensuring people are paying for what they have. If they can't afford this extra move! There are lots of private rented properties out there. This is not a house for life, as it doesn't belong to the tenants.
As previously stated this is not a tax, it's simply ensuring people are paying for what they have. If they can't afford this extra move! There are lots of private rented properties out there. This is not a house for life, as it doesn't belong to the tenants. Changing times
  • Score: 0

11:25am Fri 19 Jul 13

KingDonD says...

NotPCme haha you got to move n give up your house you lil shitbag scallies that live in briegtmet need to start work n not live on benefits Chavi from Monge Moor needs to get a job tramps get of ya **** n look for a job ya'll tramps n pedos
NotPCme haha you got to move n give up your house you lil shitbag scallies that live in briegtmet need to start work n not live on benefits Chavi from Monge Moor needs to get a job tramps get of ya **** n look for a job ya'll tramps n pedos KingDonD
  • Score: -1

12:32pm Fri 19 Jul 13

MsTalkative says...

I am paying the bedroom tax and I am single living in a 2-bedroom flat. I have had the option of moving, but I refuse to, simply do not need the hassle, so the bedroom tax I pay out of my DLA, which is supposed to be used to help me cope on a day to day basis with my disabilities. I am paying £55 a month, yes, it leaves me worse off and I do not agree with the bedroom tax, but I have no choice, there is not masses of help out there to move to more suitable accommodation for my needs, so it is a case of shut up and put up... no point in moaning about it!
I am paying the bedroom tax and I am single living in a 2-bedroom flat. I have had the option of moving, but I refuse to, simply do not need the hassle, so the bedroom tax I pay out of my DLA, which is supposed to be used to help me cope on a day to day basis with my disabilities. I am paying £55 a month, yes, it leaves me worse off and I do not agree with the bedroom tax, but I have no choice, there is not masses of help out there to move to more suitable accommodation for my needs, so it is a case of shut up and put up... no point in moaning about it! MsTalkative
  • Score: 2

2:37pm Fri 19 Jul 13

samarium says...

I myself am disabled , i worked all my life apart from when I had my children .untill they were 1 year old. Myself and my ex husband bought our own home, but due to years of domestic violence I finally left and got a privately rented flat and worked . But then I started to be ill and was diagnosed with a condition that made it impossible for me to continue to work. I stayed in my flat untill it was too difficult for me to manage the stairs. Then I went on the waiting list for a council home , eventually I was given a 2 bedroom house with less stairs, still difficult but there was no ground level home available. As my condition worsened I could no longer use a bath and was told there was no money available from the council to change my bathroom. So I paid to have a disabled friendly shower room , also I had a stair lift fitted and other adaptions to enable me some level of independence. My daughter grew up and moved into her own home with her boyfriend of 5 years . She is now my full time carer as my condition has deteriorated and will continue to do so. I now have a spare room . Ihave good days and bad days , when I'm at my worse which is very often my daughter has to stay over as I need help through the night. She then uses the spare bedroom. Yes if I was in a one bedroom property she would sleep on the sofa that would not be a problem. But I would not be reimbursed for the adaptions that I had to pay for out of my own money and used all my savings towards nor would my new one bedroom property have these adaptions that I need. My savings have all gone into my home but now I am being punished for being disabled and unable to work and pay the rent fully. But what options do I have? Pay the bedroom tax , move into a property totally unsuitable when I cannot shower or reach my specially adapted kitchen to make a meal , or force my daughter to give up her life and home and move in with me fulltime. There are some genuine cases out there who have valid reasons for needing an extra bedroom or for it not being practical for them to move. The government has failed to look at these cases . I didn't ask to get this terrible disease nor do I deserve to be made to feel like a scrounger because I have to live on benefits
I myself am disabled , i worked all my life apart from when I had my children .untill they were 1 year old. Myself and my ex husband bought our own home, but due to years of domestic violence I finally left and got a privately rented flat and worked . But then I started to be ill and was diagnosed with a condition that made it impossible for me to continue to work. I stayed in my flat untill it was too difficult for me to manage the stairs. Then I went on the waiting list for a council home , eventually I was given a 2 bedroom house with less stairs, still difficult but there was no ground level home available. As my condition worsened I could no longer use a bath and was told there was no money available from the council to change my bathroom. So I paid to have a disabled friendly shower room , also I had a stair lift fitted and other adaptions to enable me some level of independence. My daughter grew up and moved into her own home with her boyfriend of 5 years . She is now my full time carer as my condition has deteriorated and will continue to do so. I now have a spare room . Ihave good days and bad days , when I'm at my worse which is very often my daughter has to stay over as I need help through the night. She then uses the spare bedroom. Yes if I was in a one bedroom property she would sleep on the sofa that would not be a problem. But I would not be reimbursed for the adaptions that I had to pay for out of my own money and used all my savings towards nor would my new one bedroom property have these adaptions that I need. My savings have all gone into my home but now I am being punished for being disabled and unable to work and pay the rent fully. But what options do I have? Pay the bedroom tax , move into a property totally unsuitable when I cannot shower or reach my specially adapted kitchen to make a meal , or force my daughter to give up her life and home and move in with me fulltime. There are some genuine cases out there who have valid reasons for needing an extra bedroom or for it not being practical for them to move. The government has failed to look at these cases . I didn't ask to get this terrible disease nor do I deserve to be made to feel like a scrounger because I have to live on benefits samarium
  • Score: 3

5:10pm Fri 19 Jul 13

erny15eric says...

after the last war this country was short of housing short of money so they built prefabs some are still standing today or is that to easy for this inhumane government ?
after the last war this country was short of housing short of money so they built prefabs some are still standing today or is that to easy for this inhumane government ? erny15eric
  • Score: 2

5:51pm Fri 19 Jul 13

Martindalewj says...

Bolton council refuse applications for one bedroomed flats. It is political to make sure there is a continued shortage.
Bolton council refuse applications for one bedroomed flats. It is political to make sure there is a continued shortage. Martindalewj
  • Score: 1

9:10pm Fri 19 Jul 13

NotPCme says...

KingDonD wrote:
NotPCme haha you got to move n give up your house you lil shitbag scallies that live in briegtmet need to start work n not live on benefits Chavi from Monge Moor needs to get a job tramps get of ya **** n look for a job ya'll tramps n pedos
How dare you foreign people call me, I share my two bedroom council flat with my six Bull mastiffs, twelve Ghekos and 36 Cannabis plants.

There is no room for our Charmaine she has to live at her daughters and she is only twelve.

I can't work because I got a bad dose of the paper cuts, Iv'e been rolling my own before I could walk!
[quote][p][bold]KingDonD[/bold] wrote: NotPCme haha you got to move n give up your house you lil shitbag scallies that live in briegtmet need to start work n not live on benefits Chavi from Monge Moor needs to get a job tramps get of ya **** n look for a job ya'll tramps n pedos[/p][/quote]How dare you foreign people call me, I share my two bedroom council flat with my six Bull mastiffs, twelve Ghekos and 36 Cannabis plants. There is no room for our Charmaine she has to live at her daughters and she is only twelve. I can't work because I got a bad dose of the paper cuts, Iv'e been rolling my own before I could walk! NotPCme
  • Score: 2

9:14pm Fri 19 Jul 13

NotPCme says...

erny15eric wrote:
after the last war this country was short of housing short of money so they built prefabs some are still standing today or is that to easy for this inhumane government ?
Don't blame this Gov't!

The Labour party flooded our towns and cities for thirteen years with mass uncontrolled immigration!

You reap what you sow!
[quote][p][bold]erny15eric[/bold] wrote: after the last war this country was short of housing short of money so they built prefabs some are still standing today or is that to easy for this inhumane government ?[/p][/quote]Don't blame this Gov't! The Labour party flooded our towns and cities for thirteen years with mass uncontrolled immigration! You reap what you sow! NotPCme
  • Score: 2

9:17pm Fri 19 Jul 13

NotPCme says...

Bilulek wrote:
The govt didn't really think this thing through properly and made a right mess. However, people in social housing forget these are NOT their houses. If you get the house from the council then make sure you understand it's not for life, life circumstances change and so do your housing needs. Can't be that you get a 4 bed house at the age of 20 coz you have kids and stay in it till you're dead. Plus can't stand arguments like this one: “When I’ve been to protests the different kinds of people there is unbelievable, there are people in wheelchairs and with walking aids. I thought the figures were shocking.” Not that being disabled or in a wheelchair makes you need more bedrooms.
This Gov't have their hands tied because of the last Labour Gov't' who opened our doors to millions of immigrants who came here just for the benefits!

You reap what you sow!
[quote][p][bold]Bilulek[/bold] wrote: The govt didn't really think this thing through properly and made a right mess. However, people in social housing forget these are NOT their houses. If you get the house from the council then make sure you understand it's not for life, life circumstances change and so do your housing needs. Can't be that you get a 4 bed house at the age of 20 coz you have kids and stay in it till you're dead. Plus can't stand arguments like this one: “When I’ve been to protests the different kinds of people there is unbelievable, there are people in wheelchairs and with walking aids. I thought the figures were shocking.” Not that being disabled or in a wheelchair makes you need more bedrooms.[/p][/quote]This Gov't have their hands tied because of the last Labour Gov't' who opened our doors to millions of immigrants who came here just for the benefits! You reap what you sow! NotPCme
  • Score: 2

9:24pm Fri 19 Jul 13

NotPCme says...

grimtown wrote:
Our labour council rehousing asylum seekers while they have a lack of properties is madness.

There must be a point to all this misery in bolton why else would the ben be running so many related articles.

Its not the current governments fault the country is over populated.
Well said mate!

The country was warned by the Conservatives 16 yrs ago about the repercussions of uncontrolled mass immigration.

They said it would be a burden on schools, housing, employment, environment, the NHS and basically the whole country would suffer, and you know what! They were right!

You reap what you sow!
[quote][p][bold]grimtown[/bold] wrote: Our labour council rehousing asylum seekers while they have a lack of properties is madness. There must be a point to all this misery in bolton why else would the ben be running so many related articles. Its not the current governments fault the country is over populated.[/p][/quote]Well said mate! The country was warned by the Conservatives 16 yrs ago about the repercussions of uncontrolled mass immigration. They said it would be a burden on schools, housing, employment, environment, the NHS and basically the whole country would suffer, and you know what! They were right! You reap what you sow! NotPCme
  • Score: 3

10:09pm Fri 19 Jul 13

mr.mark.c says...

The circle of British politics, labour spend spend spend then the next Gov get blamed and hated for trying to balance the books.
The circle of British politics, labour spend spend spend then the next Gov get blamed and hated for trying to balance the books. mr.mark.c
  • Score: 1

10:20pm Fri 19 Jul 13

NotPCme says...

samarium wrote:
I myself am disabled , i worked all my life apart from when I had my children .untill they were 1 year old. Myself and my ex husband bought our own home, but due to years of domestic violence I finally left and got a privately rented flat and worked . But then I started to be ill and was diagnosed with a condition that made it impossible for me to continue to work. I stayed in my flat untill it was too difficult for me to manage the stairs. Then I went on the waiting list for a council home , eventually I was given a 2 bedroom house with less stairs, still difficult but there was no ground level home available. As my condition worsened I could no longer use a bath and was told there was no money available from the council to change my bathroom. So I paid to have a disabled friendly shower room , also I had a stair lift fitted and other adaptions to enable me some level of independence. My daughter grew up and moved into her own home with her boyfriend of 5 years . She is now my full time carer as my condition has deteriorated and will continue to do so. I now have a spare room . Ihave good days and bad days , when I'm at my worse which is very often my daughter has to stay over as I need help through the night. She then uses the spare bedroom. Yes if I was in a one bedroom property she would sleep on the sofa that would not be a problem. But I would not be reimbursed for the adaptions that I had to pay for out of my own money and used all my savings towards nor would my new one bedroom property have these adaptions that I need. My savings have all gone into my home but now I am being punished for being disabled and unable to work and pay the rent fully. But what options do I have? Pay the bedroom tax , move into a property totally unsuitable when I cannot shower or reach my specially adapted kitchen to make a meal , or force my daughter to give up her life and home and move in with me fulltime. There are some genuine cases out there who have valid reasons for needing an extra bedroom or for it not being practical for them to move. The government has failed to look at these cases . I didn't ask to get this terrible disease nor do I deserve to be made to feel like a scrounger because I have to live on benefits
Your story is terrible and they will be a lot more stories like yours.

It is so wrong that in this day and age people in this country have to live in these conditions and my heart bleeds for people like yourself ( and I really and truly mean it ).

You mentioned options!

Vote UKIP they will sort this country out once and for all!
[quote][p][bold]samarium[/bold] wrote: I myself am disabled , i worked all my life apart from when I had my children .untill they were 1 year old. Myself and my ex husband bought our own home, but due to years of domestic violence I finally left and got a privately rented flat and worked . But then I started to be ill and was diagnosed with a condition that made it impossible for me to continue to work. I stayed in my flat untill it was too difficult for me to manage the stairs. Then I went on the waiting list for a council home , eventually I was given a 2 bedroom house with less stairs, still difficult but there was no ground level home available. As my condition worsened I could no longer use a bath and was told there was no money available from the council to change my bathroom. So I paid to have a disabled friendly shower room , also I had a stair lift fitted and other adaptions to enable me some level of independence. My daughter grew up and moved into her own home with her boyfriend of 5 years . She is now my full time carer as my condition has deteriorated and will continue to do so. I now have a spare room . Ihave good days and bad days , when I'm at my worse which is very often my daughter has to stay over as I need help through the night. She then uses the spare bedroom. Yes if I was in a one bedroom property she would sleep on the sofa that would not be a problem. But I would not be reimbursed for the adaptions that I had to pay for out of my own money and used all my savings towards nor would my new one bedroom property have these adaptions that I need. My savings have all gone into my home but now I am being punished for being disabled and unable to work and pay the rent fully. But what options do I have? Pay the bedroom tax , move into a property totally unsuitable when I cannot shower or reach my specially adapted kitchen to make a meal , or force my daughter to give up her life and home and move in with me fulltime. There are some genuine cases out there who have valid reasons for needing an extra bedroom or for it not being practical for them to move. The government has failed to look at these cases . I didn't ask to get this terrible disease nor do I deserve to be made to feel like a scrounger because I have to live on benefits[/p][/quote]Your story is terrible and they will be a lot more stories like yours. It is so wrong that in this day and age people in this country have to live in these conditions and my heart bleeds for people like yourself ( and I really and truly mean it ). You mentioned options! Vote UKIP they will sort this country out once and for all! NotPCme
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10:30pm Fri 19 Jul 13

NotPCme says...

catalonia wrote:
some strange comments on this article, I think some may not have manged to read/understand it!

how can it ever be "fair" to reduce someone's housing benefit for a spare room when they have no hope of downsizing and working people ARE affected by the bedroom Tax if they are on a low income, which many working people are!
A few years ago the tenants of the local council houses had a democratic vote on weather they remained with the council or move over to a private landlord.

The outcome was that the majority of the tenants did not bother to vote as they did not pay rent in the first place.

You reap what you sow!
[quote][p][bold]catalonia[/bold] wrote: some strange comments on this article, I think some may not have manged to read/understand it! how can it ever be "fair" to reduce someone's housing benefit for a spare room when they have no hope of downsizing and working people ARE affected by the bedroom Tax if they are on a low income, which many working people are![/p][/quote]A few years ago the tenants of the local council houses had a democratic vote on weather they remained with the council or move over to a private landlord. The outcome was that the majority of the tenants did not bother to vote as they did not pay rent in the first place. You reap what you sow! NotPCme
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10:33pm Fri 19 Jul 13

mr.mark.c says...

NotPCme wrote:
catalonia wrote:
some strange comments on this article, I think some may not have manged to read/understand it!

how can it ever be "fair" to reduce someone's housing benefit for a spare room when they have no hope of downsizing and working people ARE affected by the bedroom Tax if they are on a low income, which many working people are!
A few years ago the tenants of the local council houses had a democratic vote on weather they remained with the council or move over to a private landlord.

The outcome was that the majority of the tenants did not bother to vote as they did not pay rent in the first place.

You reap what you sow!
Everybody I know voted NO, maybe just maybe they ignored the vote and made some numbers up ?
Smoking shelters come to mind ;)
[quote][p][bold]NotPCme[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]catalonia[/bold] wrote: some strange comments on this article, I think some may not have manged to read/understand it! how can it ever be "fair" to reduce someone's housing benefit for a spare room when they have no hope of downsizing and working people ARE affected by the bedroom Tax if they are on a low income, which many working people are![/p][/quote]A few years ago the tenants of the local council houses had a democratic vote on weather they remained with the council or move over to a private landlord. The outcome was that the majority of the tenants did not bother to vote as they did not pay rent in the first place. You reap what you sow![/p][/quote]Everybody I know voted NO, maybe just maybe they ignored the vote and made some numbers up ? Smoking shelters come to mind ;) mr.mark.c
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1:09pm Sat 20 Jul 13

grimtown says...

Malcolm Tucker wrote:
grimtown wrote:
thomas ryder wrote:
grimtown wrote:
Prehaps if the £2 million pound rent arrears where met I could have sympathy but as my council tax has gone through the roof since new labours government no i don't the true cost of housing needs to be paid or bring back the work houses or debters jail for defaulters.
I do hope you or your family never need help.
Yep but I wouldn't sit on benefits for years if you can't afford it ! My council tax has rocketed to help fund council houses and their rent arrears. BMC wrote of £300 million when Bolton at home took over managing the councils housing stock. What could you do with £300 million.

Too many demands this council couldn't run a bath they blame the lib dem con alliance yet the problem was here well before.

A council is not for life buy a house or expect your landlord to demand market rates which council houses are well below market rates.
Grimdik, you are a total tool.

Council Tax does not, nor has it ever, funded subsidised rents, not does it pay for new social housing. Rent accounts for social housing have to be stand alone accounts, by law. Rental income is spent on tenants homes. Any write off of arrears (which is an accounting term, as the arrears are sold to debt collectors) have to be absorbed within that account.

Social housing rents are not subsidised. You think this because they are lower than a private sector rent. Its the other way around. Private sector rents are artificially inflated. If the rental income brings in enough money to provide decent landlord services, then its set at the right level. The higher rents in the private sector (usually terraced) are set higher because they include the profit margin. This is where young people today are being forced, because there is a shortage of affordable social rented properties and because they cant get a mortgage if they tried. Presumably you're happy with this and think they probably deserve it.

The £300 million you refer to was a debt owed to the Government, and had been on the books for decades. It is the same with any housing organsiation. It was the method used to borrow money to build houses, and it would never have been paid off. A bit like the national debt.

I realise that facts are an annoying distraction for someone like you, but you should go look for them every now and then.
Many thanks for the insult. The fact is council tax is increase when rents are not.

Because our local council needed to balance the books this includes accounting for shortfalls in rental income.

please insult myself again smile :)
[quote][p][bold]Malcolm Tucker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]grimtown[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas ryder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]grimtown[/bold] wrote: Prehaps if the £2 million pound rent arrears where met I could have sympathy but as my council tax has gone through the roof since new labours government no i don't the true cost of housing needs to be paid or bring back the work houses or debters jail for defaulters.[/p][/quote]I do hope you or your family never need help.[/p][/quote]Yep but I wouldn't sit on benefits for years if you can't afford it ! My council tax has rocketed to help fund council houses and their rent arrears. BMC wrote of £300 million when Bolton at home took over managing the councils housing stock. What could you do with £300 million. Too many demands this council couldn't run a bath they blame the lib dem con alliance yet the problem was here well before. A council is not for life buy a house or expect your landlord to demand market rates which council houses are well below market rates.[/p][/quote]Grimdik, you are a total tool. Council Tax does not, nor has it ever, funded subsidised rents, not does it pay for new social housing. Rent accounts for social housing have to be stand alone accounts, by law. Rental income is spent on tenants homes. Any write off of arrears (which is an accounting term, as the arrears are sold to debt collectors) have to be absorbed within that account. Social housing rents are not subsidised. You think this because they are lower than a private sector rent. Its the other way around. Private sector rents are artificially inflated. If the rental income brings in enough money to provide decent landlord services, then its set at the right level. The higher rents in the private sector (usually terraced) are set higher because they include the profit margin. This is where young people today are being forced, because there is a shortage of affordable social rented properties and because they cant get a mortgage if they tried. Presumably you're happy with this and think they probably deserve it. The £300 million you refer to was a debt owed to the Government, and had been on the books for decades. It is the same with any housing organsiation. It was the method used to borrow money to build houses, and it would never have been paid off. A bit like the national debt. I realise that facts are an annoying distraction for someone like you, but you should go look for them every now and then.[/p][/quote]Many thanks for the insult. The fact is council tax is increase when rents are not. Because our local council needed to balance the books this includes accounting for shortfalls in rental income. please insult myself again smile :) grimtown
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10:16pm Sat 20 Jul 13

Citizen Cane says...

thomas ryder wrote:
grimtown wrote:
Prehaps if the £2 million pound rent arrears where met I could have sympathy but as my council tax has gone through the roof since new labours government no i don't the true cost of housing needs to be paid or bring back the work houses or debters jail for defaulters.
I do hope you or your family never need help.
...because the country will go bust well before that by supporting the largely irresponsible existing benefit bingers?
[quote][p][bold]thomas ryder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]grimtown[/bold] wrote: Prehaps if the £2 million pound rent arrears where met I could have sympathy but as my council tax has gone through the roof since new labours government no i don't the true cost of housing needs to be paid or bring back the work houses or debters jail for defaulters.[/p][/quote]I do hope you or your family never need help.[/p][/quote]...because the country will go bust well before that by supporting the largely irresponsible existing benefit bingers? Citizen Cane
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