A STRIKE by teachers will close 44 schools in Bolton on Thursday.
The other 82 in the borough also face disruption. Some will only be partially open, with some lessons cancelled
Members of the National Union of Teachers are taking the action in a dispute over pay.
The one-day strike is the first by teachers in 21 years.
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All parents have been sent letters warning them of the disruption.
Scores of NUT members will march through Bolton town centre as part of the action.
The Bolton branch of the NUT has more than 1,000 members and Barry Conway, branch secretary, described the decision to close a third of Bolton's schools as "fantastic news".
"Education in Bolton will close down for the day," he said.
"All the high schools are shut and primary schools which are going to try and stay open will not be able to offer their pupils an education.
"Trying to run a school without all the staff in itself will cause mayhem."
"The effect this strike is going to have sends out a clear message to the Government that they must listen to us.
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Bolton Council says parents should ring schools direct or ring the council on 01204 332130 for more information.
"This one day strike is by no means the end."
A Bolton Council spokesman said: "Some schools are only partially open with some classes taking place and others cancelled. However, the position could change and parents are urged to check with schools."
The Government has announced a 2.45 per cent rise for teachers in England and Wales this year, with further rises of 2.3 per cent in 2009 and 2010.
The NUT claims this offer represents a real-terms pay cut as it is below the rate of retail price inflation."
Union leaders are demanding either a seven per cent pay rise or £3,000 for every teacher in England and Wales this September - whichever is the greater.
A town centre rally being held on Thursday will also include members of the University Colleges Union at Bolton Community College, who are also striking in a dispute over pay.
Bolton Council's executive member for children's children's services, Cllr Linda Thomas said: "We regret any inconvenience this will cause but it is outside the council's control. Parents have been sent letter and we are informing people about which schools will be affected.
"We will help and support schools in anyway we can. We want to keep as many schools open as possible."
Government minister Ed Balls, the Children's Secretary, said yesterday: "I'm on the side of parents who will be disappointed if their children's education is disrupted on Thursday because we have decided to accept an independent pay review.
"The majority of teachers do not want to strike."
Further chaos is predicted due to a strike by the Public and Commercial Services Union (PSCU), also to be held on Thursday.
Public sector workers will walk out for one day across the country in a protest over pay.
They are against the Government policy of capping public sector pay to below inflation, which they say will reduce living standards.
Job centres, benefit agencies and driving test centres are expected to be affected.
Who is soft Mick? And why does he have so many holidays?
By the way the grammar in your post is awful. Teachers obviously did'nt do a very good job with you. But perhaps you are so thick it was mission impossible.
Who is soft Mick? And why does he have so many holidays?
By the way the grammar in your post is awful. Teachers obviously did'nt do a very good job with you. But perhaps you are so thick it was mission impossible.
[quote][bold]GC[/bold] wrote:
Who is soft Mick? And why does he have so many holidays? By the way the grammar in your post is awful. Teachers obviously did'nt do a very good job with you. But perhaps you are so thick it was mission impossible.[/quote] Now, why were the comments suspended again?
GC wrote:
Who is soft Mick? And why does he have so many holidays? By the way the grammar in your post is awful. Teachers obviously did'nt do a very good job with you. But perhaps you are so thick it was mission impossible.
What's your problem GC of Turton, This is a site for comment's and what people think. There is alway's one fuddy duddy and i guess your one of them. At the end of your post you did'nt even comment on the strike only speeling of other people. Get a LIFE.
What's your problem GC of Turton, This is a site for comment's and what people think. There is alway's one fuddy duddy and i guess your one of them. At the end of your post you did'nt even comment on the strike only speeling of other people. Get a LIFE.
Posted by: Gloria, Bolton on 10:15am Tue 22 Apr 08
Do you lot never learn......who put some users in charge of checking spelling and grammar....its a comments section, not an english GCSE exam
On the story, My hubbys a teacher, and yes, he gets lots of holidays, but he also works a hell of a sight more hours than many......If you take into account the lesson planning and homework marking and report writing etc etc etc he would average over 50 hours a week, so in the long run he's no better paid than, say, an office administrator.
Do you lot never learn......who put some users in charge of checking spelling and grammar....its a comments section, not an english GCSE exam
On the story, My hubbys a teacher, and yes, he gets lots of holidays, but he also works a hell of a sight more hours than many......If you take into account the lesson planning and homework marking and report writing etc etc etc he would average over 50 hours a week, so in the long run he's no better paid than, say, an office administrator.
I doubt many of us would want to work in an environment where you are constantly insulted and undermined my morons.
However, The economy is falling apart and I think demands of seven percent won't go down well with other workers who would suffer an increase in tax to pay for this wage rise.
[quote]Barry Conway, branch secretary, described the decision to close a third of Bolton's schools as "fantastic news".[/quote]
What a butt-head.
I doubt many of us would want to work in an environment where you are constantly insulted and undermined my morons.
However, The economy is falling apart and I think demands of seven percent won't go down well with other workers who would suffer an increase in tax to pay for this wage rise.
Barry Conway, branch secretary, described the decision to close a third of Bolton's schools as "fantastic news".
good luck to the teachers. I hope you get what you deserve. Maybe if the coniditions improve, it will encourage more hard working, selfless, patient, educated people to enter the profession and hopefully at the same time retain existing teachers who do a very difficult job teaching our children..god help them.
good luck to the teachers. I hope you get what you deserve. Maybe if the coniditions improve, it will encourage more hard working, selfless, patient, educated people to enter the profession and hopefully at the same time retain existing teachers who do a very difficult job teaching our children..god help them.
Posted by: RICHARD, THE REAL WORLD on 11:02am Tue 22 Apr 08
sympathy to the teachers but a lot of workers are struggling these days-wages are just not keeping up with inflation and i think its wrong for teachers to go on strike- there must be another way to get your point across?
sympathy to the teachers but a lot of workers are struggling these days-wages are just not keeping up with inflation and i think its wrong for teachers to go on strike- there must be another way to get your point across?
This and the medical staff threatening strike action make me embarrassed to be British sometimes. Just shows we're a money hungry nation who doesn't give two poos about the consequences of our actions.
This and the medical staff threatening strike action make me embarrassed to be British sometimes. Just shows we're a money hungry nation who doesn't give two poos about the consequences of our actions.
But Tommy, other professions in countries all around the world hold strikes, not just the British, so I don't think there's anything to be embarrassed about.
So a few kids get one day off? Parents take their children out of school for two weeks at a time for holidays.It will hardly harm them.
If the teachers have any sense they'll set kids extra work to be completed at home.
Good luck to the teachers, they deserve every penny..and more..that they earn.
But Tommy, other professions in countries all around the world hold strikes, not just the British, so I don't think there's anything to be embarrassed about.
So a few kids get one day off? Parents take their children out of school for two weeks at a time for holidays.It will hardly harm them.
If the teachers have any sense they'll set kids extra work to be completed at home.
Good luck to the teachers, they deserve every penny..and more..that they earn.
Posted by: Sunny, here and there on 11:15am Tue 22 Apr 08
I have every sympathy with the teachers. I know I couldnt deal with some of the kids they have to today. My friend was a teacher for many years and was head of department earning £50,000 a year. One of the reasons she left was, she was hit by a 16 year old, in front of the class. This was a lad who was a lot bigger and taller than her, and all she could do was send him to the headmaster to be suspended.
I have every sympathy with the teachers. I know I couldnt deal with some of the kids they have to today. My friend was a teacher for many years and was head of department earning £50,000 a year. One of the reasons she left was, she was hit by a 16 year old, in front of the class. This was a lad who was a lot bigger and taller than her, and all she could do was send him to the headmaster to be suspended.
Sunny.
Was that lad prosecuted? I doubt it. I sympathise with staff in this respect, but I am fed up with one teacher, who is always boosting about the holidays that he takes and dining his out.
Sunny.
Was that lad prosecuted? I doubt it. I sympathise with staff in this respect, but I am fed up with one teacher, who is always boosting about the holidays that he takes and dining his out.
[quote][bold]chas[/bold] wrote:
Sunny.
Was that lad prosecuted? I doubt it. I sympathise with staff in this respect, but I am fed up with one teacher, who is always boosting about the holidays that he takes and dining his out.[/quote] Prosecute the lad! Good God man! What are you, some kind of monster?
How could mummys little soldier possibly to blame? It was obviously the obnoxious and borish teacher who was to blame. The lad should be comended for teaching the teacher some manners.
Seriously though. The kid should have been "suspended" If you catch my drift.
chas wrote:
Sunny.
Was that lad prosecuted? I doubt it. I sympathise with staff in this respect, but I am fed up with one teacher, who is always boosting about the holidays that he takes and dining his out.
Prosecute the lad! Good God man! What are you, some kind of monster?
How could mummys little soldier possibly to blame? It was obviously the obnoxious and borish teacher who was to blame. The lad should be comended for teaching the teacher some manners.
Seriously though. The kid should have been "suspended" If you catch my drift.
[quote]Seriously though. The kid should have been "suspended" If you catch my drift.[/quote]
Yeah, and if it was myself and my father who suspended him then he would have been suspended by the ball5, which would be even better.
Seriously though. The kid should have been "suspended" If you catch my drift.
Yeah, and if it was myself and my father who suspended him then he would have been suspended by the ball5, which would be even better.
[quote][bold]chas[/bold] wrote:
And beginning a sentance with And. Teachers earn more than our police and nurses.[/quote] Most teachers DON'T get paid more than police officers and nurses!!!! They **** well should do though, they're all graduates, unlike police officers and most nurses!!! Police officers are permitted to defend themselves with batons and CS gas too, the only way I'd face a class of delinquent teens would be armed like the police lol!!!
Oh, by the way, I'm not a teacher, I'm a nurse ;-)
chas wrote:
And beginning a sentance with And. Teachers earn more than our police and nurses.
Most teachers DON'T get paid more than police officers and nurses!!!! They **** well should do though, they're all graduates, unlike police officers and most nurses!!! Police officers are permitted to defend themselves with batons and CS gas too, the only way I'd face a class of delinquent teens would be armed like the police lol!!!
Oh, by the way, I'm not a teacher, I'm a nurse ;-)
Posted by: Incomer, Westhoughton on 12:49pm Tue 22 Apr 08
The teachers who strike should be bl**dy ashamed of themselves. They have obviously forgotten why they went into teaching in the first place.
'Education will close down in Bolton for the day' and Barry Conway describes this as 'fantastic news'. Hang your head in shame.
Before you militants start flaming me - I work in the public sector and received less than the teachers have been offered this year.
The teachers who strike should be bl**dy ashamed of themselves. They have obviously forgotten why they went into teaching in the first place.
'Education will close down in Bolton for the day' and Barry Conway describes this as 'fantastic news'. Hang your head in shame.
Before you militants start flaming me - I work in the public sector and received less than the teachers have been offered this year.
If the current trend continues with the government and it's councils constantly increasing taxes which are more than our pay rises, we'll soon be paying out more than we earn.
I sometimes wish I'd had the sense to be a scumbag benefits dosser. They always seem to be well off.
If the current trend continues with the government and it's councils constantly increasing taxes which are more than our pay rises, we'll soon be paying out more than we earn.
I sometimes wish I'd had the sense to be a scumbag benefits dosser. They always seem to be well off.
I was a teacher but not any more and yes they do deserve more pay for the stress and work involved which takes up most of your life. but strike action is not the way to get what you want. it's making the children and parents suffer, not affecting the local councils or national pay boards that sort out your salary.
I was a teacher but not any more and yes they do deserve more pay for the stress and work involved which takes up most of your life. but strike action is not the way to get what you want. it's making the children and parents suffer, not affecting the local councils or national pay boards that sort out your salary.
I have previously posted on here defending the teacher's right to strike and pointed out that the disruption caused is the very purpose of a strike to evidence your professions value to society. However, the seemingly unbridled glee with which Mr Conway has reacted at the disruption caused sticks in the throat. Comments like his certainly won't help anyone sympathise with them.
I have previously posted on here defending the teacher's right to strike and pointed out that the disruption caused is the very purpose of a strike to evidence your professions value to society. However, the seemingly unbridled glee with which Mr Conway has reacted at the disruption caused sticks in the throat. Comments like his certainly won't help anyone sympathise with them.
[quote][bold]Incomer[/bold] wrote:
The teachers who strike should be bl**dy ashamed of themselves. They have obviously forgotten why they went into teaching in the first place. 'Education will close down in Bolton for the day' and Barry Conway describes this as 'fantastic news'. Hang your head in shame. Before you militants start flaming me - I work in the public sector and received less than the teachers have been offered this year.[/quote] Why should they be ashamed? my wife is a school teacher - She is in school fot 7-30am every day - rarely gets home before 5pm - by 7-00pm she is planning and making resources until 10-30pm as well as probably putting in 3 to 4 hours on a sunday - Thats approxiamately 60 to 65 hours a week. She deserves everything the NUT can get her - if it bugs you so much get off your ar5e and retrain as a teacher - bet you wouldnt last a term
Incomer wrote:
The teachers who strike should be bl**dy ashamed of themselves. They have obviously forgotten why they went into teaching in the first place. 'Education will close down in Bolton for the day' and Barry Conway describes this as 'fantastic news'. Hang your head in shame. Before you militants start flaming me - I work in the public sector and received less than the teachers have been offered this year.
Why should they be ashamed? my wife is a school teacher - She is in school fot 7-30am every day - rarely gets home before 5pm - by 7-00pm she is planning and making resources until 10-30pm as well as probably putting in 3 to 4 hours on a sunday - Thats approxiamately 60 to 65 hours a week. She deserves everything the NUT can get her - if it bugs you so much get off your ar5e and retrain as a teacher - bet you wouldnt last a term
[quote][bold]anne[/bold] wrote:
I was a teacher but not any more and yes they do deserve more pay for the stress and work involved which takes up most of your life. but strike action is not the way to get what you want. it's making the children and parents suffer, not affecting the local councils or national pay boards that sort out your salary. [/quote] So how do you propose, that they make their feelings known?
anne wrote:
I was a teacher but not any more and yes they do deserve more pay for the stress and work involved which takes up most of your life. but strike action is not the way to get what you want. it's making the children and parents suffer, not affecting the local councils or national pay boards that sort out your salary.
So how do you propose, that they make their feelings known?
Posted by: Incomer, Westhoughton on 1:29pm Tue 22 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Normid Nomad[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Incomer[/bold] wrote:
The teachers who strike should be bl**dy ashamed of themselves. They have obviously forgotten why they went into teaching in the first place. 'Education will close down in Bolton for the day' and Barry Conway describes this as 'fantastic news'. Hang your head in shame. Before you militants start flaming me - I work in the public sector and received less than the teachers have been offered this year.[/quote] Why should they be ashamed? my wife is a school teacher - She is in school fot 7-30am every day - rarely gets home before 5pm - by 7-00pm she is planning and making resources until 10-30pm as well as probably putting in 3 to 4 hours on a sunday - Thats approxiamately 60 to 65 hours a week. She deserves everything the NUT can get her - if it bugs you so much get off your ar5e and retrain as a teacher - bet you wouldnt last a term[/quote] If she doesn't like teaching (or the pay that goes with it) perhaps you should pass on your advice to her so that she can retrain. Please don't quote long hours - we all do those and many, including me, don't get paid for them.
To reiterate my point: if you are a teacher and you strike on Thursday you should be ashamed. You should be someone who kids look up to and respect, not someone who teaches children that closing down the education system is 'fantastic news'.
Normid Nomad wrote:
Incomer wrote:
The teachers who strike should be bl**dy ashamed of themselves. They have obviously forgotten why they went into teaching in the first place. 'Education will close down in Bolton for the day' and Barry Conway describes this as 'fantastic news'. Hang your head in shame. Before you militants start flaming me - I work in the public sector and received less than the teachers have been offered this year.
Why should they be ashamed? my wife is a school teacher - She is in school fot 7-30am every day - rarely gets home before 5pm - by 7-00pm she is planning and making resources until 10-30pm as well as probably putting in 3 to 4 hours on a sunday - Thats approxiamately 60 to 65 hours a week. She deserves everything the NUT can get her - if it bugs you so much get off your ar5e and retrain as a teacher - bet you wouldnt last a term
If she doesn't like teaching (or the pay that goes with it) perhaps you should pass on your advice to her so that she can retrain. Please don't quote long hours - we all do those and many, including me, don't get paid for them.
To reiterate my point: if you are a teacher and you strike on Thursday you should be ashamed. You should be someone who kids look up to and respect, not someone who teaches children that closing down the education system is 'fantastic news'.
[quote][bold]Incomer[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Normid Nomad[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Incomer[/bold] wrote: The teachers who strike should be bl**dy ashamed of themselves. They have obviously forgotten why they went into teaching in the first place. 'Education will close down in Bolton for the day' and Barry Conway describes this as 'fantastic news'. Hang your head in shame. Before you militants start flaming me - I work in the public sector and received less than the teachers have been offered this year.[/quote] Why should they be ashamed? my wife is a school teacher - She is in school fot 7-30am every day - rarely gets home before 5pm - by 7-00pm she is planning and making resources until 10-30pm as well as probably putting in 3 to 4 hours on a sunday - Thats approxiamately 60 to 65 hours a week. She deserves everything the NUT can get her - if it bugs you so much get off your ar5e and retrain as a teacher - bet you wouldnt last a term[/quote] If she doesn't like teaching (or the pay that goes with it) perhaps you should pass on your advice to her so that she can retrain. Please don't quote long hours - we all do those and many, including me, don't get paid for them. To reiterate my point: if you are a teacher and you strike on Thursday you should be ashamed. You should be someone who kids look up to and respect, not someone who teaches children that closing down the education system is 'fantastic news'.[/quote] Oh! so what Public Sector job do you do that doesnt pay overtime ? And by the way where in my post did i say that she didnt like teaching£
Incomer wrote:
Normid Nomad wrote:
Incomer wrote: The teachers who strike should be bl**dy ashamed of themselves. They have obviously forgotten why they went into teaching in the first place. 'Education will close down in Bolton for the day' and Barry Conway describes this as 'fantastic news'. Hang your head in shame. Before you militants start flaming me - I work in the public sector and received less than the teachers have been offered this year.
Why should they be ashamed? my wife is a school teacher - She is in school fot 7-30am every day - rarely gets home before 5pm - by 7-00pm she is planning and making resources until 10-30pm as well as probably putting in 3 to 4 hours on a sunday - Thats approxiamately 60 to 65 hours a week. She deserves everything the NUT can get her - if it bugs you so much get off your ar5e and retrain as a teacher - bet you wouldnt last a term
If she doesn't like teaching (or the pay that goes with it) perhaps you should pass on your advice to her so that she can retrain. Please don't quote long hours - we all do those and many, including me, don't get paid for them. To reiterate my point: if you are a teacher and you strike on Thursday you should be ashamed. You should be someone who kids look up to and respect, not someone who teaches children that closing down the education system is 'fantastic news'.
Oh! so what Public Sector job do you do that doesnt pay overtime ? And by the way where in my post did i say that she didnt like teaching£
Posted by: Incomer, Westhoughton on 1:52pm Tue 22 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Normid Nomad[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Incomer[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Normid Nomad[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Incomer[/bold] wrote: The teachers who strike should be bl**dy ashamed of themselves. They have obviously forgotten why they went into teaching in the first place. 'Education will close down in Bolton for the day' and Barry Conway describes this as 'fantastic news'. Hang your head in shame. Before you militants start flaming me - I work in the public sector and received less than the teachers have been offered this year.[/quote] Why should they be ashamed? my wife is a school teacher - She is in school fot 7-30am every day - rarely gets home before 5pm - by 7-00pm she is planning and making resources until 10-30pm as well as probably putting in 3 to 4 hours on a sunday - Thats approxiamately 60 to 65 hours a week. She deserves everything the NUT can get her - if it bugs you so much get off your ar5e and retrain as a teacher - bet you wouldnt last a term[/quote] If she doesn't like teaching (or the pay that goes with it) perhaps you should pass on your advice to her so that she can retrain. Please don't quote long hours - we all do those and many, including me, don't get paid for them. To reiterate my point: if you are a teacher and you strike on Thursday you should be ashamed. You should be someone who kids look up to and respect, not someone who teaches children that closing down the education system is 'fantastic news'.[/quote] Oh! so what Public Sector job do you do that doesnt pay overtime ? And by the way where in my post did i say that she didnt like teaching£[/quote] All public sector organisations do not pay overtime above certain pay grades, and I am in one of those posts. I routinely work 70-hour weeks but am paid a flat salary regardless.
I have said my piece now so I'll leave it at that; you appear to be trying to pull this thread down to a personal level but you'll have to play with someone else if you want to do that.
Normid Nomad wrote:
Incomer wrote:
Normid Nomad wrote:
Incomer wrote: The teachers who strike should be bl**dy ashamed of themselves. They have obviously forgotten why they went into teaching in the first place. 'Education will close down in Bolton for the day' and Barry Conway describes this as 'fantastic news'. Hang your head in shame. Before you militants start flaming me - I work in the public sector and received less than the teachers have been offered this year.
Why should they be ashamed? my wife is a school teacher - She is in school fot 7-30am every day - rarely gets home before 5pm - by 7-00pm she is planning and making resources until 10-30pm as well as probably putting in 3 to 4 hours on a sunday - Thats approxiamately 60 to 65 hours a week. She deserves everything the NUT can get her - if it bugs you so much get off your ar5e and retrain as a teacher - bet you wouldnt last a term
If she doesn't like teaching (or the pay that goes with it) perhaps you should pass on your advice to her so that she can retrain. Please don't quote long hours - we all do those and many, including me, don't get paid for them. To reiterate my point: if you are a teacher and you strike on Thursday you should be ashamed. You should be someone who kids look up to and respect, not someone who teaches children that closing down the education system is 'fantastic news'.
Oh! so what Public Sector job do you do that doesnt pay overtime ? And by the way where in my post did i say that she didnt like teaching£
All public sector organisations do not pay overtime above certain pay grades, and I am in one of those posts. I routinely work 70-hour weeks but am paid a flat salary regardless.
I have said my piece now so I'll leave it at that; you appear to be trying to pull this thread down to a personal level but you'll have to play with someone else if you want to do that.
By the way Incomer she isnt allowed to use the Internet during the day, is your Public Sector employer aware that you trawl websites during the course of the working day or you going to tell me that you are 'on holiday', 'off sick' or on your 'lunch'., and if you do work for the Emergency Services, government or local government why are you wasting my Council Tax surfing the net?
By the way Incomer she isnt allowed to use the Internet during the day, is your Public Sector employer aware that you trawl websites during the course of the working day or you going to tell me that you are 'on holiday', 'off sick' or on your 'lunch'., and if you do work for the Emergency Services, government or local government why are you wasting my Council Tax surfing the net?
All public sector organisations do not pay overtime above certain pay grades, and I am in one of those posts. I routinely work 70-hour weeks but am paid a flat salary regardless.
I have said my piece now so I'll leave it at that; you appear to be trying to pull this thread down to a personal level but you'll have to play with someone else if you want to do that.
Answer the question what job do you do? and iam not trying to bring it down to a personal level, iam just defending something that you have no working knowledge of!
All public sector organisations do not pay overtime above certain pay grades, and I am in one of those posts. I routinely work 70-hour weeks but am paid a flat salary regardless.
I have said my piece now so I'll leave it at that; you appear to be trying to pull this thread down to a personal level but you'll have to play with someone else if you want to do that.
Answer the question what job do you do? and iam not trying to bring it down to a personal level, iam just defending something that you have no working knowledge of!
A qualified teachers starting salary is around £20,000. It can be as high as £30,000 with experience and higher for specailists and headteachers.
I believe any pay for any job has to be taken in the context of the strength of the economy.
Our economy is failing and therfore it's the wrong time to be making excessive demands.
A qualified teachers starting salary is around £20,000. It can be as high as £30,000 with experience and higher for specailists and headteachers.
I believe any pay for any job has to be taken in the context of the strength of the economy.
Our economy is failing and therfore it's the wrong time to be making excessive demands.
Posted by: Incomer, Westhoughton on 2:04pm Tue 22 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Normid Nomad[/bold] wrote:
All public sector organisations do not pay overtime above certain pay grades, and I am in one of those posts. I routinely work 70-hour weeks but am paid a flat salary regardless.
I have said my piece now so I'll leave it at that; you appear to be trying to pull this thread down to a personal level but you'll have to play with someone else if you want to do that.
Answer the question what job do you do? and iam not trying to bring it down to a personal level, iam just defending something that you have no working knowledge of![/quote] Re this and your previous post: what I do is none of your business (and certainly a personal question!). I am also not allowed to use the internet for personal use in the working day and whether you believe it or not I am on annual leave today posting from home.
Read back through your submissions to this thread - we started on a high-level discussion about teachers striking and within three posts you are making ad hominem attacks on me. Enough.
Normid Nomad wrote:
All public sector organisations do not pay overtime above certain pay grades, and I am in one of those posts. I routinely work 70-hour weeks but am paid a flat salary regardless.
I have said my piece now so I'll leave it at that; you appear to be trying to pull this thread down to a personal level but you'll have to play with someone else if you want to do that.
Answer the question what job do you do? and iam not trying to bring it down to a personal level, iam just defending something that you have no working knowledge of!
Re this and your previous post: what I do is none of your business (and certainly a personal question!). I am also not allowed to use the internet for personal use in the working day and whether you believe it or not I am on annual leave today posting from home.
Read back through your submissions to this thread - we started on a high-level discussion about teachers striking and within three posts you are making ad hominem attacks on me. Enough.
Barry Conway and his ultimate Boss, Ed Balls want stringing up.
Both use a language typical of failed Socialism. Expect to see more of the same from the other public sectors as the Country begins an inward collapse.
Barry Conway and his ultimate Boss, Ed Balls want stringing up.
Both use a language typical of failed Socialism. Expect to see more of the same from the other public sectors as the Country begins an inward collapse.
Teachers appear to have, along with some other public sector workers taken, in real terms, wage cuts under this and previous settlements. There anger is therefore pretty understandable. Bear in mind this is the first strike for 21 years.
Having said that I'm not sure striking right now will achieve much. Certainly didn't help lecturers a couple of years back either.
But we do undervalue teachers and diminish their roles by going on and on about holidays whilst neglecting the duties and responsibilities they take on during term time. £20k following four years education and training, including stints in the classroom, seems adequate rather than generous.
I'd add that I'm [italic]exceptionally[/italic] happy with the progress of my kids at school so big thumbs up to the teachers :-)
Teachers appear to have, along with some other public sector workers taken, in real terms, wage cuts under this and previous settlements. There anger is therefore pretty understandable. Bear in mind this is the first strike for 21 years.
Having said that I'm not sure striking right now will achieve much. Certainly didn't help lecturers a couple of years back either.
But we do undervalue teachers and diminish their roles by going on and on about holidays whilst neglecting the duties and responsibilities they take on during term time. £20k following four years education and training, including stints in the classroom, seems adequate rather than generous.
I'd add that I'm exceptionally happy with the progress of my kids at school so big thumbs up to the teachers :-)
Posted by: breezeblock, Manchester on 4:24pm Tue 22 Apr 08
[quote][bold]chas[/bold] wrote:
And beginning a sentance with And. Teachers earn more than our police and nurses.[/quote] Chas, that's just simply not true.
Why would you write that?
chas wrote:
And beginning a sentance with And. Teachers earn more than our police and nurses.
I originally thought it was excellent news that teachers are to strike, but after reading the comments, I'm not entirely sure. I don't think it will achieve much, but as another posted has pointed out, what else are they supposed to do? Write a letter? That will really shake the Government into action!
It's disappointing that they have to strike, but I recall the firemen's strike a few years ago... they were putting lives at risk in striking from their job, yet most of us thought they were quite right to do it because they get paid so little.
If the mentality in Government is that people in the public sector shouldn't strike because others rely heaving upon them, then their salaries will never increase and they will have little power to do anything about it.
Yet I'm still mindful of parents at work who will now be frantically trying to arrange for a day off, or else to arrange for someone to look after their children...
I originally thought it was excellent news that teachers are to strike, but after reading the comments, I'm not entirely sure. I don't think it will achieve much, but as another posted has pointed out, what else are they supposed to do? Write a letter? That will really shake the Government into action!
It's disappointing that they have to strike, but I recall the firemen's strike a few years ago... they were putting lives at risk in striking from their job, yet most of us thought they were quite right to do it because they get paid so little.
If the mentality in Government is that people in the public sector shouldn't strike because others rely heaving upon them, then their salaries will never increase and they will have little power to do anything about it.
Yet I'm still mindful of parents at work who will now be frantically trying to arrange for a day off, or else to arrange for someone to look after their children...
[quote][bold]breezeblock[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]chas[/bold] wrote: And beginning a sentance with And. Teachers earn more than our police and nurses.[/quote] Chas, that's just simply not true. Why would you write that? [/quote] Police pay starts at £21km, [italic]before[/italic] training, £23.5k when trained. Similarly firefighters start on £20k [italic]before[/italic] training rising to £26.5k once trained.
breezeblock wrote:
chas wrote: And beginning a sentance with And. Teachers earn more than our police and nurses.
Chas, that's just simply not true. Why would you write that?
Police pay starts at £21km, before training, £23.5k when trained. Similarly firefighters start on £20k before training rising to £26.5k once trained.
Guardian 2007.
Mid-career average salary for a nurse £26,110
· Mid career average salary for firefighter £27,876
· Mid career average salary for police officer £35,578
· Mid career average salary for a teacher £33,361
Sorry breezeblock. The statement that I made, was from the radio. The police appear to earn a little more than teachers, but they deserve more for putting their lives on the line, daily.
Guardian 2007.
Mid-career average salary for a nurse £26,110
· Mid career average salary for firefighter £27,876
· Mid career average salary for police officer £35,578
· Mid career average salary for a teacher £33,361
Sorry breezeblock. The statement that I made, was from the radio. The police appear to earn a little more than teachers, but they deserve more for putting their lives on the line, daily.
Posted by: Commonsense or What, Bolton on 5:22pm Tue 22 Apr 08
Once again the no hopers of society jump on the[quote]quote[/quote] bandwagon of teacher bashing. Get off your backsides, get your degree in a useful subject, then train to be a teacher. I am sure you will find the job so easy - and,don't forget, the holidays are fantastic!
Once again the no hopers of society jump on the
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bandwagon of teacher bashing. Get off your backsides, get your degree in a useful subject, then train to be a teacher. I am sure you will find the job so easy - and,don't forget, the holidays are fantastic!
Posted by: Commonsense or What, Bolton on 5:22pm Tue 22 Apr 08
Once again the no hopers of society jump on the[quote]quote[/quote] bandwagon of teacher bashing. Get off your backsides, get your degree in a useful subject, then train to be a teacher. I am sure you will find the job so easy - and,don't forget, the holidays are fantastic!
Once again the no hopers of society jump on the
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bandwagon of teacher bashing. Get off your backsides, get your degree in a useful subject, then train to be a teacher. I am sure you will find the job so easy - and,don't forget, the holidays are fantastic!
Posted by: breezeblock, Manchester on 5:45pm Tue 22 Apr 08
Chas, I disagree...I think all those jobs (police, firefighter, teacher, nurse, armed forces) are vocational jobs at heart. Let's face it, no-one should ever be interested in doing anything so morally good as being a nurse or a teacher if they are more interested in the money than the vocation itself. Can you imagine having your dressings changed by a person who is thinking more about a pay rise than making you feel better?
Teachers should love teaching and they should earn a decent living (which I believe they actually do). I believe they will lose a lot of support and perhaps sympathy with this strike action.
Chas, I disagree...I think all those jobs (police, firefighter, teacher, nurse, armed forces) are vocational jobs at heart. Let's face it, no-one should ever be interested in doing anything so morally good as being a nurse or a teacher if they are more interested in the money than the vocation itself. Can you imagine having your dressings changed by a person who is thinking more about a pay rise than making you feel better?
Teachers should love teaching and they should earn a decent living (which I believe they actually do). I believe they will lose a lot of support and perhaps sympathy with this strike action.
I agree with breezeblock to some extent, but I still wonder how else they would get their views heard?
Teachers and nurses in particular have quite rightly been complaining that they get paid perhaps less than they deserve, given the jobs they do for society. These complaints have more or less gone unheard by governments, so I think this strike action might actually make them sit up and take notice.
Funny how when the firemen did their series of walk-outs, they managed to meet with officials and compromise over their salary increase.
In my view, teachers are already under-valued for what they do in society.
I agree with breezeblock to some extent, but I still wonder how else they would get their views heard?
Teachers and nurses in particular have quite rightly been complaining that they get paid perhaps less than they deserve, given the jobs they do for society. These complaints have more or less gone unheard by governments, so I think this strike action might actually make them sit up and take notice.
Funny how when the firemen did their series of walk-outs, they managed to meet with officials and compromise over their salary increase.
In my view, teachers are already under-valued for what they do in society.
Posted by: Incomer, Westhoughton on 7:21pm Tue 22 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Andrew[/bold] wrote:
I agree with breezeblock to some extent, but I still wonder how else they would get their views heard?
Teachers and nurses in particular have quite rightly been complaining that they get paid perhaps less than they deserve, given the jobs they do for society. These complaints have more or less gone unheard by governments, so I think this strike action might actually make them sit up and take notice.
Funny how when the firemen did their series of walk-outs, they managed to meet with officials and compromise over their salary increase.
In my view, teachers are already under-valued for what they do in society.[/quote] They, like all other public sector employees, have an independent pay review body that considers many factors before recommending a percentage pay increase. This is not an advantage that private sector employees have.
Teachers, like nurses, police officers and the armed forces always have a choice in that if they don't like the terms and conditions of their employment they can find another job.
Perhaps you would like to share your thoughts on what teachers actually do 'in society' that you feel we don't value enough?
Andrew wrote:
I agree with breezeblock to some extent, but I still wonder how else they would get their views heard?
Teachers and nurses in particular have quite rightly been complaining that they get paid perhaps less than they deserve, given the jobs they do for society. These complaints have more or less gone unheard by governments, so I think this strike action might actually make them sit up and take notice.
Funny how when the firemen did their series of walk-outs, they managed to meet with officials and compromise over their salary increase.
In my view, teachers are already under-valued for what they do in society.
They, like all other public sector employees, have an independent pay review body that considers many factors before recommending a percentage pay increase. This is not an advantage that private sector employees have.
Teachers, like nurses, police officers and the armed forces always have a choice in that if they don't like the terms and conditions of their employment they can find another job.
Perhaps you would like to share your thoughts on what teachers actually do 'in society' that you feel we don't value enough?
[quote][bold]Incomer[/bold] scripsit: Perhaps you would like to share your thoughts on what teachers actually do 'in society' that you feel we don't value enough?[/quote]
I think the fact that they somehow keep order in unruly classrooms, without much support from the Government, who seems to take every step possible to remove all power from the teachers, deserves some sort of acknowledgement.
The memories of inspirational teachers can last a lifetime, and it is teachers that are often credited for people's later career choices. I'm not suggesting for one moment that all teachers are brilliant - I'm well aware that there are some that should never have been accepted into the profession - but I think we often take teachers for granted.
"Without teachers, there can be no other professions." How true that is.
Incomer scripsit: Perhaps you would like to share your thoughts on what teachers actually do 'in society' that you feel we don't value enough?
I think the fact that they somehow keep order in unruly classrooms, without much support from the Government, who seems to take every step possible to remove all power from the teachers, deserves some sort of acknowledgement.
The memories of inspirational teachers can last a lifetime, and it is teachers that are often credited for people's later career choices. I'm not suggesting for one moment that all teachers are brilliant - I'm well aware that there are some that should never have been accepted into the profession - but I think we often take teachers for granted.
"Without teachers, there can be no other professions." How true that is.
Posted by: Boltonbabe, Bolton on 7:46pm Tue 22 Apr 08
I am a secondary school teacher and in the NUT therefore I am striking on Thursday. Teachers do deserve much better pay and we have tried other ways to get our message across with no success. Many people have no idea about how much work teachers really do.
In response to people who are unhappy with their own pay, get a new job!
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I am a secondary school teacher and in the NUT therefore I am striking on Thursday. Teachers do deserve much better pay and we have tried other ways to get our message across with no success. Many people have no idea about how much work teachers really do.
In response to people who are unhappy with their own pay, get a new job!
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I guess everyone will be happy for their taxes to go up by 7% to pay for this rise then.
I'm not disputing that teachers should get well paid for the job they do but it strikes me they are already paid well above the average in many cases.
What about the guy on minimum wage who will see his tax go up to pay for this rise if its given. Strikes me that the recession is probably going to hit him harder than the teachers.
It's the wrong time to be making high wage demands.
I guess everyone will be happy for their taxes to go up by 7% to pay for this rise then.
I'm not disputing that teachers should get well paid for the job they do but it strikes me they are already paid well above the average in many cases.
What about the guy on minimum wage who will see his tax go up to pay for this rise if its given. Strikes me that the recession is probably going to hit him harder than the teachers.
It's the wrong time to be making high wage demands.
Posted by: Incomer, Westhoughton on 8:13pm Tue 22 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Andrew[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Incomer[/bold] scripsit: Perhaps you would like to share your thoughts on what teachers actually do 'in society' that you feel we don't value enough?[/quote]
I think the fact that they somehow keep order in unruly classrooms, without much support from the Government, who seems to take every step possible to remove all power from the teachers, deserves some sort of acknowledgement.
The memories of inspirational teachers can last a lifetime, and it is teachers that are often credited for people's later career choices. I'm not suggesting for one moment that all teachers are brilliant - I'm well aware that there are some that should never have been accepted into the profession - but I think we often take teachers for granted.
"Without teachers, there can be no other professions." How true that is. [/quote] Exactly. How inspirational do you think our children will find it to see one of their role models stood in front of a brazier chanting songs of solidarity that sounded old in the '70's?
If you are a teacher on strike maybe you could spend a few minutes thinking about how you are going to get away with explaining to a bright ten-year old how trashing a weeks' worth of lesson plans is 'fantastic news' because it won't wash with my kids.
Andrew wrote:
Incomer scripsit: Perhaps you would like to share your thoughts on what teachers actually do 'in society' that you feel we don't value enough?
I think the fact that they somehow keep order in unruly classrooms, without much support from the Government, who seems to take every step possible to remove all power from the teachers, deserves some sort of acknowledgement.
The memories of inspirational teachers can last a lifetime, and it is teachers that are often credited for people's later career choices. I'm not suggesting for one moment that all teachers are brilliant - I'm well aware that there are some that should never have been accepted into the profession - but I think we often take teachers for granted.
"Without teachers, there can be no other professions." How true that is.
Exactly. How inspirational do you think our children will find it to see one of their role models stood in front of a brazier chanting songs of solidarity that sounded old in the '70's?
If you are a teacher on strike maybe you could spend a few minutes thinking about how you are going to get away with explaining to a bright ten-year old how trashing a weeks' worth of lesson plans is 'fantastic news' because it won't wash with my kids.
Posted by: Boltonbabe, Bolton on 8:32pm Tue 22 Apr 08
Many of the pupils I teach have said they support the strike. They have listened to the news and understood why we are striking and support us. The pupils think we deserve more money as they see what we teachers actually do.
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Many of the pupils I teach have said they support the strike. They have listened to the news and understood why we are striking and support us. The pupils think we deserve more money as they see what we teachers actually do.
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[quote][bold]Incomer[/bold] scripsit:
If you are a teacher on strike maybe you could spend a few minutes thinking about how you are going to get away with explaining to a bright ten-year old how trashing a weeks' worth of lesson plans is 'fantastic news' because it won't wash with my kids.[/quote]
I thought they were just going on strike for the day myself...
I think it would be a worse example if teachers just gave up and thought that they would be better role models by standing in front of the class, even if they had an issue with the level of pay.
Children should be shown that it's better for adults to challenge things that they deem to be unfair, rather than just roll over and accept that their level of pay is not what they deserve. Teachers might as well strike as means of protest - they've tried just about everything else - and they should be grateful that they've got the opportunity to do so.
Incomer scripsit:
If you are a teacher on strike maybe you could spend a few minutes thinking about how you are going to get away with explaining to a bright ten-year old how trashing a weeks' worth of lesson plans is 'fantastic news' because it won't wash with my kids.
I thought they were just going on strike for the day myself...
I think it would be a worse example if teachers just gave up and thought that they would be better role models by standing in front of the class, even if they had an issue with the level of pay.
Children should be shown that it's better for adults to challenge things that they deem to be unfair, rather than just roll over and accept that their level of pay is not what they deserve. Teachers might as well strike as means of protest - they've tried just about everything else - and they should be grateful that they've got the opportunity to do so.
I believe that teachers, like pupils are graded. The better the teacher, the higher the grade and better pay. Hard working teachers will therefore earn more than teachers who 'could do better'.
I believe that teachers, like pupils are graded. The better the teacher, the higher the grade and better pay. Hard working teachers will therefore earn more than teachers who 'could do better'.
Posted by: breezeblock, Manchester on 9:00pm Tue 22 Apr 08
Boltonbabe, I think one of the problems with strikers getting sympathy vote is that it starts to wear thin when you consider teachers only work for 3/4 of the year. Rightly or wrongly that dilutes some of the potency of the complaint.
But the big point for me is that strikers always seem to strike on 'our' time when they are perfectly free to demonstrate on a Saturday afternoon outside the town hall...but they always choose not to and vote for the extreme. OK, I know the reasons for that but I work for primary schools all over the UK and I've yet to find a teacher that works the hours I do so I tend to just think of you lot as spoilt kids...very much those you have to teach! Personally I don't think you are worth more than the pay rise on offer.
Boltonbabe, I think one of the problems with strikers getting sympathy vote is that it starts to wear thin when you consider teachers only work for 3/4 of the year. Rightly or wrongly that dilutes some of the potency of the complaint.
But the big point for me is that strikers always seem to strike on 'our' time when they are perfectly free to demonstrate on a Saturday afternoon outside the town hall...but they always choose not to and vote for the extreme. OK, I know the reasons for that but I work for primary schools all over the UK and I've yet to find a teacher that works the hours I do so I tend to just think of you lot as spoilt kids...very much those you have to teach! Personally I don't think you are worth more than the pay rise on offer.
Posted by: Boltonbabe, Bolton on 9:02pm Tue 22 Apr 08
[quote][bold]chas[/bold] wrote:
I believe that teachers, like pupils are graded. The better the teacher, the higher the grade and better pay. Hard working teachers will therefore earn more than teachers who 'could do better'.[/quote] Actually teachers are paid on a scale of how long they have been teaching and get extra money through TLR's which are extra responsibilty. You only have to prove your worth when you reach the top of the pay scale,this enables you to go to the higher pay scale. We do have to meet performance targets each year though.
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chas wrote:
I believe that teachers, like pupils are graded. The better the teacher, the higher the grade and better pay. Hard working teachers will therefore earn more than teachers who 'could do better'.
Actually teachers are paid on a scale of how long they have been teaching and get extra money through TLR's which are extra responsibilty. You only have to prove your worth when you reach the top of the pay scale,this enables you to go to the higher pay scale. We do have to meet performance targets each year though.
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Posted by: Boltonbabe, Bolton on 9:09pm Tue 22 Apr 08
[quote][bold]breezeblock[/bold] wrote:
Boltonbabe, I think one of the problems with strikers getting sympathy vote is that it starts to wear thin when you consider teachers only work for 3/4 of the year. Rightly or wrongly that dilutes some of the potency of the complaint. But the big point for me is that strikers always seem to strike on 'our' time when they are perfectly free to demonstrate on a Saturday afternoon outside the town hall...but they always choose not to and vote for the extreme. OK, I know the reasons for that but I work for primary schools all over the UK and I've yet to find a teacher that works the hours I do so I tend to just think of you lot as spoilt kids...very much those you have to teach! Personally I don't think you are worth more than the pay rise on offer. [/quote] Work 3/4 of the year? You have not got any clue to how many hours teachers work. When do you think all the planning and marking is done? I give up a huge amount of my holidays to work with pupils on improving coursework/exam revision.
What is your job Mr Breezeblock?
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breezeblock wrote:
Boltonbabe, I think one of the problems with strikers getting sympathy vote is that it starts to wear thin when you consider teachers only work for 3/4 of the year. Rightly or wrongly that dilutes some of the potency of the complaint. But the big point for me is that strikers always seem to strike on 'our' time when they are perfectly free to demonstrate on a Saturday afternoon outside the town hall...but they always choose not to and vote for the extreme. OK, I know the reasons for that but I work for primary schools all over the UK and I've yet to find a teacher that works the hours I do so I tend to just think of you lot as spoilt kids...very much those you have to teach! Personally I don't think you are worth more than the pay rise on offer.
Work 3/4 of the year? You have not got any clue to how many hours teachers work. When do you think all the planning and marking is done? I give up a huge amount of my holidays to work with pupils on improving coursework/exam revision.
What is your job Mr Breezeblock?
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Posted by: breezeblock, Manchester on 9:20pm Tue 22 Apr 08
Boltonbabe, primary school teachers get 13 weeks off per year. Now, my schooling was just about good enough to calculate that as being one quarter of 52 weeks...so that makes 3/4 of the year you actually work.
Most primary school teachers (I can only go off primary schools, not secondary) get to school around 8.25am and most leave by around 4.30pm (have you tried to contact a teacher after 4pm??? Good luck.)
So, all in all most teachers work less than most other full time jobs...the stories about marking, blah, blah, blah...yeah right...pull the other one. Half my friends are primary school teachers and they do very, very little extra work. And planning? What planning? You get an extra day on the holiday to sort out that!
I run a playground design company...I spend my days visiting schools up and down the country; it's an eye-opening experience to see how parochial and limited your average teacher and headteacher is. Some of my lads work on site from 7am to 7pm...at least they would do but they can't because the school is always shutting up at 5pm. And no chance of working weekends.
Perhaps seconday schools are different, I honestly couldn't say.
Boltonbabe, primary school teachers get 13 weeks off per year. Now, my schooling was just about good enough to calculate that as being one quarter of 52 weeks...so that makes 3/4 of the year you actually work.
Most primary school teachers (I can only go off primary schools, not secondary) get to school around 8.25am and most leave by around 4.30pm (have you tried to contact a teacher after 4pm??? Good luck.)
So, all in all most teachers work less than most other full time jobs...the stories about marking, blah, blah, blah...yeah right...pull the other one. Half my friends are primary school teachers and they do very, very little extra work. And planning? What planning? You get an extra day on the holiday to sort out that!
I run a playground design company...I spend my days visiting schools up and down the country; it's an eye-opening experience to see how parochial and limited your average teacher and headteacher is. Some of my lads work on site from 7am to 7pm...at least they would do but they can't because the school is always shutting up at 5pm. And no chance of working weekends.
Perhaps seconday schools are different, I honestly couldn't say.
Posted by: breezeblock, Manchester on 9:30pm Tue 22 Apr 08
But you are all still teachers in the eyes of the N.U.T!!!
And there are 17,500 primary schools and only 5,600 seconday schools so there is a good chance you are outnumbered by these members?!?
But you are all still teachers in the eyes of the N.U.T!!!
And there are 17,500 primary schools and only 5,600 seconday schools so there is a good chance you are outnumbered by these members?!?
Posted by: Boltonbabe, Bolton on 9:35pm Tue 22 Apr 08
Maybe, but there are many more actual teachers in secondary schools. Primary schools probably have 10 teachers whereas secondary schools are more like 60.
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Maybe, but there are many more actual teachers in secondary schools. Primary schools probably have 10 teachers whereas secondary schools are more like 60.
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Posted by: breezeblock, Manchester on 9:44pm Tue 22 Apr 08
It matters not because only 30% of you even bothered to vote on the strike action so that could be a spread in favour either way.
Oh, by the way, I'll be taking the day off on Thursday to look after my kids whilst you're on strike...so that's one day's money I won't be making because of YOUR issues.
Many thanks.
It matters not because only 30% of you even bothered to vote on the strike action so that could be a spread in favour either way.
Oh, by the way, I'll be taking the day off on Thursday to look after my kids whilst you're on strike...so that's one day's money I won't be making because of YOUR issues.
Any pay rise below the rate of inflation is equivalent to a pay cut. No professional wants to strike but this government do not want to listen.
As for reminding people of the reason they went into teaching - that went out of the window when parents stopped taking responsibility for their kids' behaviour and "do gooders" criminalised discipline.
Any pay rise below the rate of inflation is equivalent to a pay cut. No professional wants to strike but this government do not want to listen.
As for reminding people of the reason they went into teaching - that went out of the window when parents stopped taking responsibility for their kids' behaviour and "do gooders" criminalised discipline.
Posted by: chip pan head, Bolton on 10:53pm Tue 22 Apr 08
I recently agreed to go into a local secondary school in my role as an employer and can honestly say, whatever they are paying them, it isn't enough!
Quite simply it was one of the most intimidating experiences of my life.
The kids today know there rights within school AND what teachers can and can't do and aren't afraid to challenge authority (or as it appears, lack of)
It was an awful day, never again to be repeated - I am also old enough to remember the last teachers strike, because I was at school at the time.. we didn't care because all it meant to us was that we could go home early or hang about in town.
Nobody (at that time) actually sat us down and explained to us what was going on and/or explained the reasons for the strike - I only hope that this has changed???
As I have said from recent experience whatever they are paying them it isn't enough - I certainly wouldn't want the job - not even for a squillion pounds a month.
Good on 'em !!!
I recently agreed to go into a local secondary school in my role as an employer and can honestly say, whatever they are paying them, it isn't enough!
Quite simply it was one of the most intimidating experiences of my life.
The kids today know there rights within school AND what teachers can and can't do and aren't afraid to challenge authority (or as it appears, lack of)
It was an awful day, never again to be repeated - I am also old enough to remember the last teachers strike, because I was at school at the time.. we didn't care because all it meant to us was that we could go home early or hang about in town.
Nobody (at that time) actually sat us down and explained to us what was going on and/or explained the reasons for the strike - I only hope that this has changed???
As I have said from recent experience whatever they are paying them it isn't enough - I certainly wouldn't want the job - not even for a squillion pounds a month.
Good on 'em !!!
Breezeblock, can I point out that nursing, teaching, armed forces etc etc are NOT vocational jobs. I'm sick and tired of being told my profession is a vocation, it's NOT, it's job like anyone elses and I deserve a decent salary for doing it, as do teachers!!!! The fact that tax payers will have to fork out more for our salaries bothers me not one iota. I am taxed to the hilt to provide working tax credits so those on low wages can earn almost the same salary as I do, after I have spent years studying to gain a degree and the commensurate salary that is associated with being a graduate!!
What would be the point of teachers striking at the weekend? So YOU don't have to take time off to care for your own kids? The whole point of a strike is to cause disruption!!!
Good luck to the teachers, I only wish the nurses had the balls to strike, but the way this government is going I wouldn't even rule that out, then you can slag the nurses off too ;-)
Breezeblock, can I point out that nursing, teaching, armed forces etc etc are NOT vocational jobs. I'm sick and tired of being told my profession is a vocation, it's NOT, it's job like anyone elses and I deserve a decent salary for doing it, as do teachers!!!! The fact that tax payers will have to fork out more for our salaries bothers me not one iota. I am taxed to the hilt to provide working tax credits so those on low wages can earn almost the same salary as I do, after I have spent years studying to gain a degree and the commensurate salary that is associated with being a graduate!!
What would be the point of teachers striking at the weekend? So YOU don't have to take time off to care for your own kids? The whole point of a strike is to cause disruption!!!
Good luck to the teachers, I only wish the nurses had the balls to strike, but the way this government is going I wouldn't even rule that out, then you can slag the nurses off too ;-)
I would like to know how many people on here like me are getting pay rises under the rate of inflation?
I can see both sides of the arguement and there are some good points from both sides but what i dont understand is why its just the N.U.T thats not happy with the offer thats been made and the other unions are ok with it.
I would like to know how many people on here like me are getting pay rises under the rate of inflation?
I can see both sides of the arguement and there are some good points from both sides but what i dont understand is why its just the N.U.T thats not happy with the offer thats been made and the other unions are ok with it.
Posted by: breezeblock, Manchester on 10:18am Wed 23 Apr 08
So teaching and nursing is NOT vocational? So that means you got into it just for the money? Let's get this right...YOU spent all those years studying at uni just to get suitably qualified for a job that you knew in advance only paid an average wage???
I think that speaks volumes.
If you were in it for the money you should have chosen another career.
I'll correct what I said earlier: teaching and nursing SHOULD be vocational careers. The fact that people like you think they are not only enhances the argument against you.
So teaching and nursing is NOT vocational? So that means you got into it just for the money? Let's get this right...YOU spent all those years studying at uni just to get suitably qualified for a job that you knew in advance only paid an average wage???
I think that speaks volumes.
If you were in it for the money you should have chosen another career.
I'll correct what I said earlier: teaching and nursing SHOULD be vocational careers. The fact that people like you think they are not only enhances the argument against you.
[quote][bold]breezeblock[/bold] wrote:
So teaching and nursing is NOT vocational? So that means you got into it just for the money? Let's get this right...YOU spent all those years studying at uni just to get suitably qualified for a job that you knew in advance only paid an average wage??? I think that speaks volumes. If you were in it for the money you should have chosen another career. I'll correct what I said earlier: teaching and nursing SHOULD be vocational careers. The fact that people like you think they are not only enhances the argument against you. [/quote] WHY should a teachers or a nurses job be any more a "vocational" job than any other? I too have a mortgage to pay, and food to put on the table, so yes I am in my job for the money surprisngly, like most other people go to work for the money!!!
So what you're saying is we should be content with crap wages because we "love" the job? Don't make me laugh you idiot, you'd work unsocial hours, nights, weekends, bank holidays, Christmas and New Year for the love of your job would you? I think NOT.
We can go to work and put up with attitudes like yours, that we should love the job and be happy with being dumped on by the government and the public with views the same as yours?!!!
Oh, and yes, I worked hard to get a degree, so I DON'T get paid an average wage!!!!
Don't suppose theres much "vocation" in building playgrounds for vast amounts of money though is there? Just in it for the money are you ;-)
breezeblock wrote:
So teaching and nursing is NOT vocational? So that means you got into it just for the money? Let's get this right...YOU spent all those years studying at uni just to get suitably qualified for a job that you knew in advance only paid an average wage??? I think that speaks volumes. If you were in it for the money you should have chosen another career. I'll correct what I said earlier: teaching and nursing SHOULD be vocational careers. The fact that people like you think they are not only enhances the argument against you.
WHY should a teachers or a nurses job be any more a "vocational" job than any other? I too have a mortgage to pay, and food to put on the table, so yes I am in my job for the money surprisngly, like most other people go to work for the money!!!
So what you're saying is we should be content with crap wages because we "love" the job? Don't make me laugh you idiot, you'd work unsocial hours, nights, weekends, bank holidays, Christmas and New Year for the love of your job would you? I think NOT.
We can go to work and put up with attitudes like yours, that we should love the job and be happy with being dumped on by the government and the public with views the same as yours?!!!
Oh, and yes, I worked hard to get a degree, so I DON'T get paid an average wage!!!!
Don't suppose theres much "vocation" in building playgrounds for vast amounts of money though is there? Just in it for the money are you ;-)
Posted by: breezeblock, Manchester on 7:53pm Wed 23 Apr 08
LS, you really are one angry person...just the sort of cool-tempered individual we all want looking after our precious children for 3/4 of the year...not including time after 3.15pm...or before 8.45am...or any time in the evenings or weekends. Funny how all the other jobs mentioned have to work unsociable hours...but not teachers. But I digress...
A teacher's wage should be fair and average and I think it is. I also think teachers expecting to retire at 50 because of the money they have made teaching are being far from realistic...because the money in teaching has never been huge throughout history. Why should now be any different? And if you're in teaching purely for the money then you should surely apply to work at a private school where the wages are generally higher...no? Or have I missed the point again?
And I do make plenty of money in my job, thanks for asking. But then I too went to college - difference is I work a lot longer hours than your average teacher so I deserve it too for all my 'effort'...just like you, eh?
LS, you really are one angry person...just the sort of cool-tempered individual we all want looking after our precious children for 3/4 of the year...not including time after 3.15pm...or before 8.45am...or any time in the evenings or weekends. Funny how all the other jobs mentioned have to work unsociable hours...but not teachers. But I digress...
A teacher's wage should be fair and average and I think it is. I also think teachers expecting to retire at 50 because of the money they have made teaching are being far from realistic...because the money in teaching has never been huge throughout history. Why should now be any different? And if you're in teaching purely for the money then you should surely apply to work at a private school where the wages are generally higher...no? Or have I missed the point again?
And I do make plenty of money in my job, thanks for asking. But then I too went to college - difference is I work a lot longer hours than your average teacher so I deserve it too for all my 'effort'...just like you, eh?
Posted by: Rose Hempton, Horwich on 9:01pm Wed 23 Apr 08
I was a teacher in London for many years and belive you me it was hard work and very loiw pay. The teachers deserve every penny of there claim and as a former teacher i would like to wish them well. They work much harder than most and deserve to be rewarded with extra pay.
I was a teacher in London for many years and belive you me it was hard work and very loiw pay. The teachers deserve every penny of there claim and as a former teacher i would like to wish them well. They work much harder than most and deserve to be rewarded with extra pay.
Posted by: breezeblock, Manchester on 9:24pm Wed 23 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Rose Hempton[/bold] wrote:
I was a teacher in London for many years and belive you me it was hard work and very loiw pay. The teachers deserve ev
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