Perhaps a solution would be machines with nicitine patches in?

What a bunch of hypocrits these licensees are. They are quite happy to take a cut from these vending machines but don't want the smokers smoking the cigarettes in their pubs.

I wouldn't be surprised if they try to pass off the opposition to this measure as sticking up for poor down trodden smokers who have already been hit hard enough.

This is the thing that people don't think about when they support big brother government in limiting our freedoms. It's fine while they are taking away someone else's pleasure, but sooner or later it will be something of yours they are banning.

This is not the Labour party its the BAN IT
Party!
Banner BROWN rules OK!

After the smoking ban was such a "great success" they have set up the Alcohol Health Alliance to combat the damage caused by "passive drinking" would you believe.Some of the same people too.Once you denormalise 14 million people,then you can make a start on the rest.
Sad.

Sun Tzu wrote:
What a bunch of hypocrits these licensees are. They are quite happy to take a cut from these vending machines but don't want the smokers smoking the cigarettes in their pubs. I wouldn't be surprised if they try to pass off the opposition to this measure as sticking up for poor down trodden smokers who have already been hit hard enough. This is the thing that people don't think about when they support big brother government in limiting our freedoms. It's fine while they are taking away someone else's pleasure, but sooner or later it will be something of yours they are banning.

They sell condoms in tesco, but they won't let you use them in there, so why is it hypocrisy for licensees to sell cigaretters taht cannot be smoked indoors? They all provide smoking areas.

keithyt
Why on earth would a smoker want to go to a pub in the first place.You have spent the last 5 months telling them that they smell,are stupid, antisocial,selfish,a health hazard and if they should have the temerity to show their faces, they have to stand outside in a shelter 50% open to the elements.With a reception like that waiting, would you go?

keithyt wrote:

Sun Tzu wrote:
What a bunch of hypocrits these licensees are. They are quite happy to take a cut from these vending machines but don't want the smokers smoking the cigarettes in their pubs. I wouldn't be surprised if they try to pass off the opposition to this measure as sticking up for poor down trodden smokers who have already been hit hard enough. This is the thing that people don't think about when they support big brother government in limiting our freedoms. It's fine while they are taking away someone else's pleasure, but sooner or later it will be something of yours they are banning.

They sell condoms in tesco, but they won't let you use them in there, so why is it hypocrisy for licensees to sell cigaretters taht cannot be smoked indoors? They all provide smoking areas.

That's a silly retort. Tesco is a store and sell all manner of things which you can't use on the premises.

Under 18s should not buy alcohol in a pub, so how many under 18s go in a pub to buy cigarettes?

The government is heading for a fall here. How many more things can they ban?

When will they realise and/or acknowledge the real reasons why the NHS are struggling to cope?

Its all about tax and control, if you invent or maximise a possible problem then it looks like you are trying to do something about it when you tax the perpetrators and use their money to mount campaigns. AHA are pressing for a 10% increase in tax on alcohol "for your own good" I'm not a drinker , but I don't think its fair and people are not as stupid as they think.

I agree (RW) I drink and smoke but I also work full time and therefore pay taxes, I don't want to lay the blame at the foot of those that don't however, I fail to understand how our towns and cities are continuing to fund those that don't put in the pot??

The NHS has undergone constant reform year on year as have social services and mental health organisations, we've banned smoking from virtually anywhere unless in your own home (but not if you live in a council house and smoke, you have to have all your windows open half an hour before a council employee can enter your premises...) just in case..

We have parenting champions telling us how to raise our kids, bans on smacking..politicall
y correct morons promoting postitive discrimination in the workplace and so on.

I don't mean to appear bitter...

Simply banning the sale of cigarettes in pubs and clubs after banning people from smoking in them is quite a short sighted approach.

As I have said on here before, the government needs to look at the real reasons the NHS and other agencies are under such immense pressure.

Not lay the blame on decent minded, hard working people who believe they have a right to choose there own way of life and what they indulge in.

Roll on the next general election!

Upsy Daisy
Frankly I don't think I can stand much more of this nonsense, people have started fleeing the country. Now the humble cigarette vending machine is a source of evil and must be renounced. On such feeble evidence I could have pink underwear banned.

I bet labour still get in at the next election tho.

Another erosion of our freedoms by the fascist backhander party ?

In Europe where vending machines are a plenty. The machine is unlocked by remote control from the bar.

The result of this being, if under age it's not unlocked and no matter how hard you try,the machine will not accept money. It's simple, it works and doesn't interfere with peoples freedom to choose.

I for one am becoming sick to death of this do as I say, not do as I do Government, have they done anything in 11 years that has actually worked without taking away fundamentals from us apart from tax us to (and including)death.

What ever teh govt tries, how cone children under 16 able to get hold of a cigratte. I see this everyday, but yet not even the school can do any think about it.

Tubby Scruff wrote:
Another erosion of our freedoms by the fascist backhander party ? In Europe where vending machines are a plenty. The machine is unlocked by remote control from the bar. The result of this being, if under age it's not unlocked and no matter how hard you try,the machine will not accept money. It's simple, it works and doesn't interfere with peoples freedom to choose. I for one am becoming sick to death of this do as I say, not do as I do Government, have they done anything in 11 years that has actually worked without taking away fundamentals from us apart from tax us to (and including)death.

But Tubby, I can't hear the pips squeaking. We pay nowhere near enough tax.

Joe..I'm a little slow this morning ! You'll have to explain this one to me ! LOL !

I cannot believe we are such a submissive bunch of people. They stop us smoking in pubs without consultation and now we huddle like sheep outside pubs in the pouring rain; hellooooo.We alowed this power hungry government to steal our human rights without a murmer no wonder they keep taking away more and more of our freedom- it's so very easy because, unlike the |French,we don't protest.I have heard that the French are being allowed a referendum on the smoking ban. Why not us and while I'm at it why don't we have a national smoking day and light up everywhere.? They can't cope with that level of paperwork and even the odd copper might join in. What will it be next- no smoking in the house; no smoking anywhere outside?Does anyone know where these anti liberty policy maker hang out? I suspect a well paid for Quango whose members have to keep coming up with such nonsense to keep their fat salaries rolling in.I despair of the sheep we have become. Watch-out the chip is on it's way.

alanpemberton wrote:
I cannot believe we are such a submissive bunch of people. They stop us smoking in pubs without consultation and now we huddle like sheep outside pubs in the pouring rain; hellooooo.We alowed this power hungry government to steal our human rights without a murmer no wonder they keep taking away more and more of our freedom- it's so very easy because, unlike the |French,we don't protest.I have heard that the French are being allowed a referendum on the smoking ban. Why not us and while I'm at it why don't we have a national smoking day and light up everywhere.? They can't cope with that level of paperwork and even the odd copper might join in. What will it be next- no smoking in the house; no smoking anywhere outside?Does anyone know where these anti liberty policy maker hang out? I suspect a well paid for Quango whose members have to keep coming up with such nonsense to keep their fat salaries rolling in.I despair of the sheep we have become. Watch-out the chip is on it's way.

so right, yet year in year out you vote this bunch of morons back in. as reported earlier, in europe machines are controlled from the bar and cannot be opened by the customer. My question is, will brown and his other lying idiots refuse the tax from the sale of cigarettes? No thought not. they couldn't survive. And what does he do about the large percentage of labour morons puppets, sorry mp's, who smoke? Do they all, including brown, nip off to the toilets to enjoy a fag, although that could be taken several ways in the labour party, if you get my drift! |Time for revolution, Ladies and Gentlemen, we have had enough of adolf brown and his jackboots.

Soon it will be our sex lives they control!!! hope they hurry i could do with one.....

bignut wrote:
Soon it will be our sex lives they control!!! hope they hurry i could do with one.....

your not alone with your thoughts!

Sun Tzu wrote:
What a bunch of hypocrits these licensees are. They are quite happy to take a cut from these vending machines but don't want the smokers smoking the cigarettes in their pubs. I wouldn't be surprised if they try to pass off the opposition to this measure as sticking up for poor down trodden smokers who have already been hit hard enough. This is the thing that people don't think about when they support big brother government in limiting our freedoms. It's fine while they are taking away someone else's pleasure, but sooner or later it will be something of yours they are banning.

The licensee's didn't initiate the ban, it was imposed upon them, despite protestations and calls for compromise.They have no choice but to expell smokers from their premises - Under threat of prosecution.