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Congestion charges could be heading for Bolton

11:56am Thursday 25th January 2007

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CONGESTION charges could be introduced on Bolton's busiest roads under controversial new proposals put forward by transport chiefs.

Motorists would face charges for rush hour journeys to and from work.

What do you think about this idea? Add your comment in the box below. A selection of these will also appear in The Bolton News

The plans are an attempt to persuade motorists to use public transport The Greater Manchester Passenger Transport Executive (GMPTE) will discuss the proposals tomorrow.

They centre around Manchester and the main commuter routes that lead to the city. But arterial routes into Bolton town centre, including Wigan Road, Blackburn Road, Bury Road, Tonge Moor Road and the A666 St Peter's Way could also be affected.

A spokesman for the GMPTE said: "It's not just journeys to Manchester city centre. We will be looking at the other centres in Greater Manchester and the busiest roads into them."

The plan is aimed at unlocking £1 billion in Government funding for improvements to the bus, tram and rail networks. The money is only available to authorities which consider road charging.

Council leaders have promised no charges will be introduced until "significant investment in public transport improvements" are made.

Exact details of the proposals - which would see high-tech charging methods such as electronic tagging, licence plate recognition or satellite tracking introduced - are yet to be finalised.

Bolton Council leader Councillor Cliff Morris will represent the borough at tomorrow's meeting of the Association of Greater Manchester Authorities.

The association has outlined plans to consult residents, businesses and other interested parties and stressed charges would only be applied to areas where congestion was a problem.

Neither would the charging scheme be implemented unless it was acceptable to both the public and business leaders and "did not" undermine the competitiveness of town centres in the area".

Cllr Morris said: "I am aware Bolton residents may have concerns about the details of the proposed scheme.

"It is important to note we are not looking at a London-style charging system which imposes cost irrespective of the time of day, length of journey, origin or destination."

But he added: "Doing nothing is not an option as congestion is starting to have an adverse impact on both the economy and the environment."

Drivers in London pay £8 per day to enter an eight square-mile zone of the city - an equivalent of £2,000 per year.

GMPTE says Bolton commuters are unlikely to pay that much. Charging is likely to be based on the length of journey, with drivers paying each time they pass specific traffic hotspots at peak time.

Bolton North-east MP David Crausby said: "I don't think a congestion charge in Bolton would be appropriate. All it would do is drive business people and shoppers in Bolton elsewhere."

Bolton Liberal Democrat Party transport spokesman Councillor David Wilkinson said: "I'm not against road charging in principle but we must wait until public transport improvements are in place. However, I don't think this government will wait that long and will impose the system anyway."

Councillor Phil Ashcroft, Conservative regeneration spokesman, said: "We would be totally against something like that. Something has to be done but caning the motorist every time is not the way."

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e.l., says...
8:43am Thu 25 Jan 07

t o s s p o ts

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Javed, says...
9:39am Thu 25 Jan 07

this is just a joke!

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Paul Bailey, says...
9:52am Thu 25 Jan 07

Yet another motorist tax. If you believe any of this money will find its way into better public transport you have not lived in this country long.

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Ben Pinnington, says...
9:59am Thu 25 Jan 07

This scheme must not be imposed on Greater Manchester without a public referendum. We cannot afford not learn from the Edinburgh experience where the council wasted 10m on a scheme which never materialised. There is important evidence from the scheme in London and the botched scheme in Edinburgh which needs to be properly debated and put in the public domain. Evidence shows that congestion charging can have a hugely damaging impact on jobs, small businesses and town centres. We must not sleepwalk into this minefield.

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Horwich Allstars, says...
10:02am Thu 25 Jan 07

Public Transport is not really good enough for the scene to have any impact. It works in London, because they have the underground to move people around. In Horwich it's difficult to park and Parkway or Blackrod after about 8am, so a train to Manchester is out - As far as I know there is no bus from Horwich to Manchester, If I had to go into Bolton by bus and then Manchester by bus it would take ages.

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linda, says...
10:15am Thu 25 Jan 07

Just more ways to take more money off us,ithink we are taxed more than enough,and of course they dont take into concideration that people are paid different amounts,low paid workers will just find it impossible to be able to afford to go to work ,it really is a joke,but not laughable.Some one sitting in a office on good money has just thought of another way to rip people off.

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Donna, says...
10:18am Thu 25 Jan 07

It's all well and good making these charges but they need to seriously look at improving the public transport to stop people using the cars. Public transport is so un reliable especially the buses. No wonder people drive to work!!

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Thoughtful Bolton, says...
10:20am Thu 25 Jan 07

I've experienced the London system and it really does work. But in a relatively small place like Bolton with poor and expensive public transport it would just make people abandon the town centre even more for the out of town shopping centres.

Traffic is terrible in our town and getting worse but without cheap, frequent and efficient public transport a congestion charge in Bolton would just further destroy the town centre and its shops.

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mike francis, says...
10:21am Thu 25 Jan 07

I commute from Farnworth to Fallowfield using public transport each day (bus-train-bus).
Before we can even think about introducing road pricing we need a fully regulated comprehensive public transport system in place with all modes through-ticketing available. If there is no viable provision of an alternative to private transport for many people then congestion charging would appear unfair to me even though it would not directly affect me.

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steve, says...
11:55am Thu 25 Jan 07

TIME FOR A RANT!
God this country really does stink! TAX IT is all the government & the councils talk about to solve any problem. I even saw on TV that they are thinking of taxing certain foods which they say are bad for us. So if it’s bad it seems to be a licence to print Money for the government.
Well you have had enough of my money! Which to be honest you have done sod all with to improve our region; the roads are knackered full of pot holes, the Police don’t exist, Hospitals & the NHS are on the demise fast, Schools are failing, what have you done with all our Money? Billions of pounds spent bombing other country’s, fighting other people’s wars. Use this money to sort out our country & Start showing people that the infrastructure that has been neglected over many many years by successive governments “blue and red” is being fixed, before you tax people out of going to work £8 a day to travel to Manchester, in my car (£2000 per year). On top of fuel tax & road tax, I already pay. You’re having a laugh!! I might as well give up work and jump on social security; which I have never done in my life! It does seem your better off these days not bothering! It’s cheaper. Trying to pay your own way in this country is leaving yourselves open as an easy touch for the Council/Government to take more money from you. Talk about the Sheriff of Nottingham! I think he lives and walks amongst the corridors of Government today! Only we don’t have a Robin Hood to defend us!
As for our fantastic public transport if you can travel on it without getting mugged;
The bus service is a joke, The 516 from Leigh to Horwich & middlebrook is running on the same timetable that it was doing in the 1970s even though the population has exploded along that route. & Retail Park has been built with a football stadium included. Oxford road in Manchester is the busiest bus route in Europe; it’s a war zone with private bus companies at each others throats for the same route, lines of empty double deckers causing more congestion than any other vehicle on the road.
The Manchester tram line extension was stopped by the government last year AFTER millions was spent in compulsory purchasing & demolishing property around Ashton to make way for the tram lines.
The tram service has been proven a success, but then the tram has been rejected for Bolton & Wigan as we are seen to have a train service that links us into Manchester, have you ever tried getting a seat on those trains in rush hour! Two carriages in rush hour! What a joke.
How will the governments police this, when they can’t even police road tax dodgers & car Insurance Dodgers? Remember the pole tax riots that Thatcher caused, I think we might be heading for those days again. One final point does anyone think the French would put up with this from there government?


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William, says...
11:55am Thu 25 Jan 07

Do GMPTE have the remit to discuss this?If brought in, it will be the last nail in the coffin of Bolton Town Centre.

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Return to democracy., says...
11:59am Thu 25 Jan 07

At least Dick Turpin had the common decency to wear a mask when he robbed people and at least he confronted his victims directly!

Once again, the tax-payer is being hit more to pay the Government's innefficiency, ineptitude and incompetence. If they spent taxpayer's money appropriately, such as keeping roads in a good state of repair in the first place, much of the congestion will be releived. Sadly this Government is more intent on sending our hard-earned tax money anywhere abroad, and not spending enough in this country.

We need to change things - think about your vote. Get 'New Labour' out before we all end up bankrupt.

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Simon Taylor, says...
12:29pm Thu 25 Jan 07

I think its a good thing. If you cant afford it, then dont come in to town by car. At least it will keep the tinpot cars out of my way in the morning. they Should double the price for commercial vehicles as well. Make your deliveries at night and not during my trip to work. Bring it on !! As i DONT DO PUBLIC TRANSPORT, I wont be surrounded by all the more drop outs that use it now !

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Dunny, says...
12:33pm Thu 25 Jan 07

At last Bolton have got the right idea, now when I am out driving in my SLK I will be able to drive freely woth those idiot in poor cars getting in my way. Well done Bolton on helping out the rich again!

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John, says...
12:41pm Thu 25 Jan 07

What an absolute joke. There are only congestion problems when there’s roadwork’s. If the council used their heads and stopped trying to think of more and more stupid ways to rob the public of their hard-earned cash then they would put in place a reliable, good value public transport system. If there was a bus and rail network available that didn’t cost an arm and a leg then the traffic travelling into town would probably half. Why not make all council staff use public transport for a week and then survey their opinions??

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concerned boltonian, says...
12:42pm Thu 25 Jan 07

Just this broken town council jumping on the tax bandwagon. Instead of taxing easy targets to fund it's loss making schemes, why dont the council look to re populate the town centre with shop offering worthwhile goods, and notjust pound shops. The centre is dying on it's feet. The revenue from rent etc would then more than offset the shortfall.
Get real in providing an integrated passenger transport system, and stop playing at it. Who is going to foot the bill for any tracking system in MY car ? not me for sure !

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Michelle, says...
12:46pm Thu 25 Jan 07

Dunny wrote:
At last Bolton have got the right idea, now when I am out driving in my SLK I will be able to drive freely woth those idiot in poor cars getting in my way. Well done Bolton on helping out the rich again!
KNOBHEAD!!!

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Wandering Walter, says...
12:47pm Thu 25 Jan 07

The government's proposal to introduce road pricing will mean you having to purchase a tracking device for your car and paying a monthly bill to use it.

The tracking device will cost about £200 and in a recent study by the BBC, the lowest monthly bill was £28 for a rural florist and £194 for a delivery driver. A non working Mum who used the car to take the kids to school paid £86 in one month. On top of this massive increase in tax, you will be tracked. Somebody will know where you are at all times. Theywill also know how fast you have been going, so even if you accidentally creep over a speed limit you can expect a NIP with your monthly bill.

If youcare about our freedoms and stopping the constant bashing of the car driver, please sign the petition on No 10's new website http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax Please pass this on to anyone who owns a car/motorcycle. It affects them.



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I Love Tax, says...
12:49pm Thu 25 Jan 07

Wandering Walter wrote:
The government's proposal to introduce road pricing will mean you having to purchase a tracking device for your car and paying a monthly bill to use it. The tracking device will cost about £200 and in a recent study by the BBC, the lowest monthly bill was £28 for a rural florist and £194 for a delivery driver. A non working Mum who used the car to take the kids to school paid £86 in one month. On top of this massive increase in tax, you will be tracked. Somebody will know where you are at all times. Theywill also know how fast you have been going, so even if you accidentally creep over a speed limit you can expect a NIP with your monthly bill. If youcare about our freedoms and stopping the constant bashing of the car driver, please sign the petition on No 10's new website http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax Please pass this on to anyone who owns a car/motorcycle. It affects them.
KNOBHEAD

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Thoughtful Bolton, says...
1:27pm Thu 25 Jan 07

Steve in his rant eneded by saying "One final point does anyone think the French would put up with this from there (sic) government?"

Actually, Steve, they do! The French do have a great rail system, it's well known. But they also have very high tolls on nearly all of their motorways. I drove from Calais to the Mont Blanc tunnel last year and it cost me well over £50 in tolls.

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Sick of being taxed to death and getting nothing to show for it., says...
1:28pm Thu 25 Jan 07

I have a better idea. Why doesn't the government stop us all being paid for work at all. Instead, we all work for free, the government gets all our wages, and gives us vouchers for essentials such as food, clothing, heat, shelter, etc.

That way none of us will have money to spend on non-essentials, and the government will have all that money to spend on what it thinks we really need!

Does our Government still have access to any nukes? Maybe they should just nuke the entire nations and be done with it. That's about the only way they could do MORE damage than they are already.

This Government is continuing to build Rip-Off Britain. Vote for change.

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Jim, says...
1:31pm Thu 25 Jan 07

To 'Michelle' and 'I Live Tax'. I don't think you've fully grasped the concept of this forum. You are meant to engage in meaningful discussion. You don't need to come along and describe yourselves. OK?

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mr t rotter, says...
1:33pm Thu 25 Jan 07

is there more than one road in bolton

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John, says...
1:34pm Thu 25 Jan 07

So who's going to pay to visit Boltons all new clone of every other shopping centre once the Market Hall refurb is finished. Also as I work near Chester I'll have to pack in work and join the dole as I travel along 4 of the 5 roads mentioned in the report - plus all the other traffic hotspots on the way. Bolton Town Centre will end up like Harwood Precinct was.

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Joe Bloggs, says...
2:16pm Thu 25 Jan 07

Regardless of the **** and moan - it's still going to happen.

Time to emigrate!

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John Edwards, says...
2:24pm Thu 25 Jan 07

It's time that the people in this land woke up. What is needed is, a show of "civil disobedience" or a "general strike" against the government and councils. Rip off Britain, the Great went out years ago.

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ste, says...
2:25pm Thu 25 Jan 07

Im so fed up of this **** hole country - i am moving abroad in the first part of this year - and i cant wait to get out of here! Im only 24 and im so bitter about the way this country is run. The fact of the matter is, there are too many people in this country, and as long as the idiots that run it keep letting them in by the thousands, we will never see the end of the problem. another thing, lets all take the bus, and see how long it takes for the government to realise they are losing billions on fuel tax and road tax - bunch of clowns!

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Kate, says...
2:27pm Thu 25 Jan 07

Dunny wrote:
At last Bolton have got the right idea, now when I am out driving in my SLK I will be able to drive freely woth those idiot in poor cars getting in my way. Well done Bolton on helping out the rich again!
What a complete wanker!

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Simon, says...
3:02pm Thu 25 Jan 07

Kate wrote:
Dunny wrote: At last Bolton have got the right idea, now when I am out driving in my SLK I will be able to drive freely woth those idiot in poor cars getting in my way. Well done Bolton on helping out the rich again!
What a complete wanker!
typical woman !!! get a decent car !!

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Graham, says...
3:07pm Thu 25 Jan 07

WHAT ABOUT TAX RELIEF INCENTIVES FOR CYCLISTS??!!

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Dunny, says...
3:11pm Thu 25 Jan 07

Graham wrote:
WHAT ABOUT TAX RELIEF INCENTIVES FOR CYCLISTS??!!
Shut up Graham.You ride a bike you should be taxed more, it's reasons like you that us drivers get taxed so much, you cause accidents all the time and us drivers have to pay.Get a life and a car moron!

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Graham, says...
3:14pm Thu 25 Jan 07

DUNNY- Sort out your English, you Mong

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simon, says...
3:19pm Thu 25 Jan 07

So cyclists are now complaiing. Good old Labour should put a tax on these cyclists who think its thier right to ride anywhere on the roads, pull out when they want. They think they should be there, when in fact the road is for cars, no stupid **** cyclists. They cause so many accidents and its the driver of the car then gets done.
And as for those cycle lanes, sod it, I drive in them. The road is for me and my BMW.

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Marco, says...
3:21pm Thu 25 Jan 07

steve wrote:
TIME FOR A RANT! God this country really does stink! TAX IT is all the government & the councils talk about to solve any problem. I even saw on TV that they are thinking of taxing certain foods which they say are bad for us. So if it’s bad it seems to be a licence to print Money for the government. Well you have had enough of my money! Which to be honest you have done sod all with to improve our region; the roads are knackered full of pot holes, the Police don’t exist, Hospitals & the NHS are on the demise fast, Schools are failing, what have you done with all our Money? Billions of pounds spent bombing other country’s, fighting other people’s wars. Use this money to sort out our country & Start showing people that the infrastructure that has been neglected over many many years by successive governments “blue and red” is being fixed, before you tax people out of going to work £8 a day to travel to Manchester, in my car (£2000 per year). On top of fuel tax & road tax, I already pay. You’re having a laugh!! I might as well give up work and jump on social security; which I have never done in my life! It does seem your better off these days not bothering! It’s cheaper. Trying to pay your own way in this country is leaving yourselves open as an easy touch for the Council/Government to take more money from you. Talk about the Sheriff of Nottingham! I think he lives and walks amongst the corridors of Government today! Only we don’t have a Robin Hood to defend us! As for our fantastic public transport if you can travel on it without getting mugged; The bus service is a joke, The 516 from Leigh to Horwich & middlebrook is running on the same timetable that it was doing in the 1970s even though the population has exploded along that route. & Retail Park has been built with a football stadium included. Oxford road in Manchester is the busiest bus route in Europe; it’s a war zone with private bus companies at each others throats for the same route, lines of empty double deckers causing more congestion than any other vehicle on the road. The Manchester tram line extension was stopped by the government last year AFTER millions was spent in compulsory purchasing & demolishing property around Ashton to make way for the tram lines. The tram service has been proven a success, but then the tram has been rejected for Bolton & Wigan as we are seen to have a train service that links us into Manchester, have you ever tried getting a seat on those trains in rush hour! Two carriages in rush hour! What a joke. How will the governments police this, when they can’t even police road tax dodgers & car Insurance Dodgers? Remember the pole tax riots that Thatcher caused, I think we might be heading for those days again. One final point does anyone think the French would put up with this from there government?
The only trouble with your rant Steve is that people won't read beyond the first few lines where you start going off the sense radar ('the police don't exist'). Where would you prefer to live? Utopia is a fantasy.

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Kate, says...
3:24pm Thu 25 Jan 07

Simon wrote:
Kate wrote:
Dunny wrote: At last Bolton have got the right idea, now when I am out driving in my SLK I will be able to drive freely woth those idiot in poor cars getting in my way. Well done Bolton on helping out the rich again!
What a complete wanker!
typical woman !!! get a decent car !!
I have a decent car thankyou very much simon you arogant B*****d! Typical man agreeing with a **** comment from another pig headed man!

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Dunny, says...
3:26pm Thu 25 Jan 07

Kate wrote:
Simon wrote:
Kate wrote:
Dunny wrote: At last Bolton have got the right idea, now when I am out driving in my SLK I will be able to drive freely woth those idiot in poor cars getting in my way. Well done Bolton on helping out the rich again!
What a complete wanker!
typical woman !!! get a decent car !!
I have a decent car thankyou very much simon you arogant B*****d! Typical man agreeing with a **** comment from another pig headed man!
Listen Love, A pink car isn't nice, it's rubbish. You only like cause it has a big mirror for you to apply you make-up!

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simon, says...
3:27pm Thu 25 Jan 07

Blimey, listen to the gob on her. I doubt its yours love !!

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Kate, says...
3:29pm Thu 25 Jan 07

Dunny wrote:
Kate wrote:
Simon wrote:
Kate wrote:
Dunny wrote: At last Bolton have got the right idea, now when I am out driving in my SLK I will be able to drive freely woth those idiot in poor cars getting in my way. Well done Bolton on helping out the rich again!
What a complete wanker!
typical woman !!! get a decent car !!
I have a decent car thankyou very much simon you arogant B*****d! Typical man agreeing with a **** comment from another pig headed man!
Listen Love, A pink car isn't nice, it's rubbish. You only like cause it has a big mirror for you to apply you make-up!
Who said anything about a pink car??? you obviously cant read. And obviously have too much time on your hands to keep posting silly little messgaes on this site and pretending you have a BMW!! Have fun!

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Dunny, says...
3:33pm Thu 25 Jan 07

It's Simon who has the BMW (and I can't read) I have the SLK. If you get an education darling then you will be able to afford a better car!

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Tommy, says...
3:41pm Thu 25 Jan 07

Bloody ****, I've not even graduated yet and i KNOW i'm going to be f**ked over as soon as I hop into full time employment.

**** this country. I'm building a large ship and emigrating. Anyone with me?

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Dunny, says...
3:42pm Thu 25 Jan 07

Tommy wrote:
Bloody ****, I've not even graduated yet and i KNOW i'm going to be f**ked over as soon as I hop into full time employment. **** this country. I'm building a large ship and emigrating. Anyone with me?
Yeah, Kate!

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Kate, says...
3:42pm Thu 25 Jan 07

Dunny wrote:
It's Simon who has the BMW (and I can't read) I have the SLK. If you get an education darling then you will be able to afford a better car!
I like it how you keep talking about a better car, im quite happy with the car i have thankyou its a TT .And please dont patronise me by calling me darling your not talking to some silly school girl im a 28yr old professional with a good job so i dont need any education either thanks. The difference between us is i dont need to keep dropping the name of my car into the conversation. The problem with men is they think women are attracted to them is they have a flash car, all that does is disguise what they lack in other areas!!!!!

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OldBoltonian, says...
3:43pm Thu 25 Jan 07

Steve's rant is pretty much spot on (apart from the grammar and spelling of course). Anyone that thinks most working people can get from their front door to their office etc purely by public transport is gravely deluded. And what about visiting friends/shopping/even - gasp - indulging in the simple pleasure of a nice drive in the country every now and again (and for those of us who live on or next to the so-called arterial routes, there's no choice but to use them for at least part of any journey anywhere). The London-based metropolitan clique who think congestion charging works live very different lives from the rest of us - neither Bolton nor Manchester is remotely comparable to the way people live in London. What this plan does bring to mind is the way, not even 100 years ago, that most workers lived in endless rows of terraced housing all within easy walking distance of the factory where they worked. No need for a car, let alone a bus, then. What a delightful prospect that would be in the 21st century - not!

The poster who complained about his £50 toll bill for driving from Calais to Mont Blanc surely cannot be serious - given the distance involved that's a bargain compared to the M6 toll road stretch. Anyone who has been on the French or indeed Spanish motorways knows how wonderful they are compared to ours and the tolls are a very small price to pay for that freedom and ease of driving. But the point is that no-one has to pay the tolls - there are plenty of other roads instead. Give me a decent public transport system and every now and again I might choose to use it. But barely-disguised attempts to influence our behaviour by the threat of financial sanction is Stalinist lunacy.

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Dunny, says...
3:45pm Thu 25 Jan 07

Kate wrote:
Dunny wrote: It's Simon who has the BMW (and I can't read) I have the SLK. If you get an education darling then you will be able to afford a better car!
I like it how you keep talking about a better car, im quite happy with the car i have thankyou its a TT .And please dont patronise me by calling me darling your not talking to some silly school girl im a 28yr old professional with a good job so i dont need any education either thanks. The difference between us is i dont need to keep dropping the name of my car into the conversation. The problem with men is they think women are attracted to them is they have a flash car, all that does is disguise what they lack in other areas!!!!!
28,good job, Audi TT. Nice, fancy a date?

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Kate, says...
3:48pm Thu 25 Jan 07

Dunny wrote:
Kate wrote:
Dunny wrote: It\'s Simon who has the BMW (and I can\'t read) I have the SLK. If you get an education darling then you will be able to afford a better car!
I like it how you keep talking about a better car, im quite happy with the car i have thankyou its a TT .And please dont patronise me by calling me darling your not talking to some silly school girl im a 28yr old professional with a good job so i dont need any education either thanks. The difference between us is i dont need to keep dropping the name of my car into the conversation. The problem with men is they think women are attracted to them is they have a flash car, all that does is disguise what they lack in other areas!!!!!
28,good job, Audi TT. Nice, fancy a date?
No Thanks, Im spoken for.

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Gail Crompton, says...
3:48pm Thu 25 Jan 07

Motorists pay enough already without also being charged for getting to work. If people are expected to use public transport the rail and bus services need to drastically improve!! I catch the train every morning to Manchester from Bolton and it is always packed, you are unable to get a seat and they are hardly ever on time and then they have the audacity to put up prices!!

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Dunny, says...
3:53pm Thu 25 Jan 07

Kate wrote:
Dunny wrote:
Kate wrote:
Dunny wrote: It\'s Simon who has the BMW (and I can\'t read) I have the SLK. If you get an education darling then you will be able to afford a better car!
I like it how you keep talking about a better car, im quite happy with the car i have thankyou its a TT .And please dont patronise me by calling me darling your not talking to some silly school girl im a 28yr old professional with a good job so i dont need any education either thanks. The difference between us is i dont need to keep dropping the name of my car into the conversation. The problem with men is they think women are attracted to them is they have a flash car, all that does is disguise what they lack in other areas!!!!!
28,good job, Audi TT. Nice, fancy a date?
No Thanks, Im spoken for.
Out of interest, what car does you better half drive?

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Correct, says...
3:58pm Thu 25 Jan 07

Michelle wrote:
Dunny wrote: At last Bolton have got the right idea, now when I am out driving in my SLK I will be able to drive freely woth those idiot in poor cars getting in my way. Well done Bolton on helping out the rich again!
KNOBHEAD!!!
Agree!

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kate, says...
3:59pm Thu 25 Jan 07

Dunny wrote:
Kate wrote:
Dunny wrote:
Kate wrote:
Dunny wrote: It\\\\\\\'s Simon who has the BMW (and I can\\\\\\\'t read) I have the SLK. If you get an education darling then you will be able to afford a better car!
I like it how you keep talking about a better car, im quite happy with the car i have thankyou its a TT .And please dont patronise me by calling me darling your not talking to some silly school girl im a 28yr old professional with a good job so i dont need any education either thanks. The difference between us is i dont need to keep dropping the name of my car into the conversation. The problem with men is they think women are attracted to them is they have a flash car, all that does is disguise what they lack in other areas!!!!!
28,good job, Audi TT. Nice, fancy a date?
No Thanks, Im spoken for.
Out of interest, what car does you better half drive?
A New Golf GTI. Your nosey arnt you!

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Steve, says...
4:01pm Thu 25 Jan 07

Dunny wrote:
Kate wrote:
Dunny wrote:
Kate wrote:
Dunny wrote: It\'s Simon who has the BMW (and I can\'t read) I have the SLK. If you get an education darling then you will be able to afford a better car!
I like it how you keep talking about a better car, im quite happy with the car i have thankyou its a TT .And please dont patronise me by calling me darling your not talking to some silly school girl im a 28yr old professional with a good job so i dont need any education either thanks. The difference between us is i dont need to keep dropping the name of my car into the conversation. The problem with men is they think women are attracted to them is they have a flash car, all that does is disguise what they lack in other areas!!!!!
28,good job, Audi TT. Nice, fancy a date?
No Thanks, Im spoken for.
Out of interest, what car does you better half drive?
She sounds like a Golddigger to me!

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Dunny, says...
4:03pm Thu 25 Jan 07

kate wrote:
Dunny wrote:
Kate wrote:
Dunny wrote:
Kate wrote:
Dunny wrote: It\\\\\\\'s Simon who has the BMW (and I can\\\\\\\'t read) I have the SLK. If you get an education darling then you will be able to afford a better car!
I like it how you keep talking about a better car, im quite happy with the car i have thankyou its a TT .And please dont patronise me by calling me darling your not talking to some silly school girl im a 28yr old professional with a good job so i dont need any education either thanks. The difference between us is i dont need to keep dropping the name of my car into the conversation. The problem with men is they think women are attracted to them is they have a flash car, all that does is disguise what they lack in other areas!!!!!
28,good job, Audi TT. Nice, fancy a date?
No Thanks, Im spoken for.
Out of interest, what car does you better half drive?
A New Golf GTI. Your nosey arnt you!
Your warming to me though!

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Correct, says...
4:04pm Thu 25 Jan 07

Correct wrote:
Michelle wrote:
Dunny wrote: At last Bolton have got the right idea, now when I am out driving in my SLK I will be able to drive freely woth those idiot in poor cars getting in my way. Well done Bolton on helping out the rich again!
KNOBHEAD!!!
Agree!
Disagree!

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steve, says...
4:10pm Thu 25 Jan 07

OldBoltonian wrote:
Steve's rant is pretty much spot on (apart from the grammar and spelling of course). Anyone that thinks most working people can get from their front door to their office etc purely by public transport is gravely deluded. And what about visiting friends/shopping/even - gasp - indulging in the simple pleasure of a nice drive in the country every now and again (and for those of us who live on or next to the so-called arterial routes, there's no choice but to use them for at least part of any journey anywhere). The London-based metropolitan clique who think congestion charging works live very different lives from the rest of us - neither Bolton nor Manchester is remotely comparable to the way people live in London. What this plan does bring to mind is the way, not even 100 years ago, that most workers lived in endless rows of terraced housing all within easy walking distance of the factory where they worked. No need for a car, let alone a bus, then. What a delightful prospect that would be in the 21st century - not! The poster who complained about his £50 toll bill for driving from Calais to Mont Blanc surely cannot be serious - given the distance involved that's a bargain compared to the M6 toll road stretch. Anyone who has been on the French or indeed Spanish motorways knows how wonderful they are compared to o