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Parking bay review for 100 streets in borough

9:17am Tuesday 27th November 2007

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PARKING bays in more than 1,000 streets will be reviewed by Bolton Council over the next six months.

But the council's executive committee has been told that the parking regime was not illegal.

A report to councillors yesterday conceded that most bay markings did not comply with the Traffic Sign Regulations from the Department for Transport, highlighting problems including the bay lengths and dimensions of white line markings.

But the council said it had been reviewing parking, waiting and loading restrictions for some time although it had been "reprioritised" following complaints by parking campaigner Barry Moss.

The report said the council's legal advice was that the bays were not necessarily illegal if incorrectly marked. The bays around Le Mans Crescent have already been remarked.

It also stated that "in a very limited number of circumstances the council might be required to repay parking penalties" but it would be down to the motorist to show that the fine was not legally enforceable.

The report said officers believed people were not being misled but said the council had still been advised to alter the markings. The council has begun reviewing the borough's 100 busiest streets.

Malcolm Cox, Director of Environmental Services, said it has now looked at 67 roads and made changes to 50.

A council statement revealed that Mr Moss's campaign has involved 85 emails, eight daily phone calls to officers and more than 50 Freedom of Information requests. "This has taken up countless hours of officer time," it said.

Executive member for the environment, Cllr Nick Peel, told the committee, which approved the review: "I have every confidence the council has responded entirely appropriately and we have done quite well in terms of speed. We have turned the corner and we are now only getting it all correct."


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Horwich Allstars, Horwich says...
9:48am Tue 27 Nov 07

What can Mr Moss do next to waste our Council Tax money? Perhaps the gap between paving stones on the Town Hall square is too small(get youy ruler out barry), Perhaps the kerbs are 1mm to small (more work for Moss's magic ruler), or perhaps the Town Hall Clock is 2 minutes out ....all very important things. He will need somthing else to do rather than bother the council.
If Bolton is so bad Mr Moss, why not move away with that other drain on resources Sulk Hogan - the two of you could be happy all day, wasting Council Tax money.
I've never been fined for parking on the street in Bolton Town Center - wonder why that is???

xipetotec46, bmoss@ntlworld.com says...
9:54am Tue 27 Nov 07

Again the council are spinning (Lying) if any lines on the bay are wrong they are illegal, they know this because that it why they have changed the bays, also why are the Council not contesting any appeals that may have come to the appeals adjudicator when there is a bay involved and why do the Council cancel parking tickets for motorists who ask me for help, again when it involves an illegal bay, and why have the council just cancelled another of my parking tickets which they have no chance of winning, and why have the council not given me dates to appeal 3 other parking tickets I have outstanding, all of which are on illegal bays, i'll tell you why, it's because they are scared they will not win.
However from today I will step up my campaign to prove Bolton Council's parking regime is Illegal.

xipetotec46, bmoss@ntlworld.com says...
10:01am Tue 27 Nov 07

Horwich Allstars you have never been fined, this is all about those who have been fined go find someone with the same mentality to correspond with,try Loki.
If anyone out there who has been fined on a bay let me know the details and I can get your money back for you, there are some template letters on my blog at www.boltonappeals.bl
ogspot.com or email me on bmoss@ntlworld.com

mukarram, bolton,lancashire says...
10:06am Tue 27 Nov 07

About time. I would appreciate if you would aslso look into the street parkings. An example would be Blenhim st, in Breightmet, wher the council has provided parking facility to the public, (not all of them yet), but the car owners park on the main road. This causes a lot of problem to the general public who uses this road daily. Also I think they council look into the insurace of these car owners, who I am sure claim that they park their cars in the drivway, but in reality that is not the case. These means the insurance is void, and more problems. Car owners beware.

Breightmetblogger, bolton says...
10:31am Tue 27 Nov 07

Moss - get a life.

Ok, so they have made some corrections after your petty complaints, at considerable expense. Many people are saying they shouldnt have even done that and they should have ignored you, but fair enough it has now been done.
But it seems like you just cant let go now and now you want refunds. There is no way on this earth you will ever get people refunded in all but a handful of cases and the simple reason is that you're going to find it hard to prove that anyone has been treated unfiarly by the markings. Most of your complaints are about lines being too wide or too short etc, but at the end of the day any person whio isnt completely stupid still knows what a parking bay is, they still know what it means and they still know they have to pay to park in it. In order to get a refund, I suppose you would have to prove that you are in fact brainless, which is probaly why (you claim) you are winning your appeals.
Fianlly, I am reliably informed that you are now charging people for your so called legal advice. Yes, well that makes sense dosent it Barry, might as well make a few bob on the side eh?
Perhaps you will let us know how many cases you have won on appeal on behalf of people who have contacted you?

Breightmetblogger, bolton says...
10:35am Tue 27 Nov 07

mukarram wrote:
About time. I would appreciate if you would aslso look into the street parkings. An example would be Blenhim st, in Breightmet, wher the council has provided parking facility to the public, (not all of them yet), but the car owners park on the main road. This causes a lot of problem to the general public who uses this road daily. Also I think they council look into the insurace of these car owners, who I am sure claim that they park their cars in the drivway, but in reality that is not the case. These means the insurance is void, and more problems. Car owners beware.
Mukarram, I think you are misisng the point of Barrys campign.

he isnt is the business of helping parking enforcment! Careful you dont open a can of worms, as he is likely to go to Bleinheim Road and annouce that everyone can park whereever they want to, even in your back garden!

Horwich Allstars, Horwich says...
10:38am Tue 27 Nov 07

I have never been fined, because I know how to park - I remember one of your first outings....to protest about a fine for someone who parked across two bays!! what kind of selfish individual parks across 2 bays (notices or not).
I think you will find you have made your point Barry - but still plenty of money to be made representing people who can't park properly.
Barry won't look into Blenhim street, unless there are fines to be refunded...
And what, exactly, would be the point of "proving" that the parking was illegal - other than being a minor triumph in an otherwise sad little campaign...more wasted time and money fielding your phonecalls
How much do you think you are costing the council withe all your phone calls, e-mails and other publicity stunts.
I am going to put my own FOI request into the council to ask them how much has been spent on Barry Moss - see how much your supporters like you when it runs into thousands.
Perhaps the leader of the council should don sackcloth and ashes and crawl across the Town Hall Square, to beg your forgivness... I know what, why not run to be a counciller in the next election..make the changes from within.
There are plenty of problems with parking in Bolton, why you choose to focus on this little issues goodness knows - oh yes, the fines

don060541, devon says...
11:12am Tue 27 Nov 07

Barry Moss you are a pathetic individual with nothing better to do.
Its pepole like you that cost the council tax payers thousands just to boost your own ego.
And its the tossers who think they are above the law
and park where they want and then whinge when they get a ticket.
Team up with hogan and make a pair of book ends wooden heads.

gazz_ball - Supera Moras!, bolton says...
11:51am Tue 27 Nov 07

Moss man.... I also have never been fined for parking in Bolton town centre, but then i do have an IQ over the agee of a 5 year old.

Have you nothing better to do now, should you be out playing bowls somewhere?

As a previous poster put it....Get a life.

p-jay, says...
12:14pm Tue 27 Nov 07

and why have the council just cancelled another of my parking tickets which they have no chance of winning, and why have the council not given me dates to appeal 3 other parking tickets I have outstanding,


One ticket cancelled and three oustanding parking tickets plus others previously!!!!

Perhaps that's the real reason for the campaign? The guy can't park and needs some way of avoiding the fines.

gazz_ball - Supera Moras!, bolton says...
12:16pm Tue 27 Nov 07

p-jay wrote:
and why have the council just cancelled another of my parking tickets which they have no chance of winning, and why have the council not given me dates to appeal 3 other parking tickets I have outstanding,
One ticket cancelled and three oustanding parking tickets plus others previously!!!! Perhaps that's the real reason for the campaign? The guy can't park and needs some way of avoiding the fines.
Good point.

Mr Toss

Why instead of wasting your time with the council, take parkig lessons. Use your time constructively.

Fool.

xipetotec46, bmoss@ntlworld.com says...
2:01pm Tue 27 Nov 07

I have no problem parking I myself park within the laws I pick up parking tickets on the basis that where I get the ticket the bay is unlawful, then I try to test the system but the Council cancel them first, the appeal system tests the Council's parking regime, if it can't be tested then the Council get away with the money they have robbed from the motorists, anyway talk about wasting Taxpayers money just been into Bolton town centre to check on the bays and guess what, they are still illegal,so pea brains like allstars...gazz_ball
...don060541...Breig
htmetblogger, have a go at the council for wasting your council tax, but my guess is you are all on benefits so you won't pay any anyway and i repeat i do not make money from my parking campaign it actually costs me money A guy wanted to show his appreciation with a Tenner I refused on the grounds that I do not want folk to think I am taking money, it is free advice and help I give. the guy got around my refusal to take the cash by buying my wife a bunch of flowers and a box of Chocolates, i don't much like flowers and i can't eat choco unless it is diabetic choco. Parking is ring fenced it doesn't affect the Council Tax because the parking regime is self funded.
www.boltonparkingapp
eals.blogspot.com

Horwich Allstars, Horwich says...
2:26pm Tue 27 Nov 07

I'm not on benefits - not sure why you use this term as an insult, I'm sure all the disabled people etc that are on benefits would like an answer.
I'm glad you have found something to do with your time - measuring parking bays will benefit us all in the ling run. When you were a kid did you always want to be a traffic warden? I think you are deperate for the council to employee you as thier parking guru... they might even give you a uniform.
You really could do with a proper hobby that doens't annoy people so much - try taking up painting...you could do the lines whilst you are out measuring them.
Begging for diabetic chocolate won't get your anywhere either. You wife should be sent flowers, for putting up with you.

don060541, devon says...
2:31pm Tue 27 Nov 07

On benifits heh you weired old tosser i am retired and been driving for
45 yrs without a single parking ticket.
but then again i do have a brain and just follow the rules which then means i do not get a ticket you have fcuk all better to do with your time
and therefor go out of your way to be a pain in the arse.
You give us pensioners a bad name
but we are not all interfearing old toss pots like you.
And if it costs you money you are more stupid than i thought you where.
Bet you hate xmas to.
Bell end

gazz_ball - Supera Moras!, bolton says...
2:52pm Tue 27 Nov 07

Horwich Allstars wrote:
I'm not on benefits - not sure why you use this term as an insult, I'm sure all the disabled people etc that are on benefits would like an answer. I'm glad you have found something to do with your time - measuring parking bays will benefit us all in the ling run. When you were a kid did you always want to be a traffic warden? I think you are deperate for the council to employee you as thier parking guru... they might even give you a uniform. You really could do with a proper hobby that doens't annoy people so much - try taking up painting...you could do the lines whilst you are out measuring them. Begging for diabetic chocolate won't get your anywhere either. You wife should be sent flowers, for putting up with you.
More like she should be given morphine.

I don't claim benefits, i work full time.

Breightmetblogger, bolton says...
3:05pm Tue 27 Nov 07

xipetotec46 wrote:
I have no problem parking I myself park within the laws I pick up parking tickets on the basis that where I get the ticket the bay is unlawful, then I try to test the system but the Council cancel them first, the appeal system tests the Council's parking regime, if it can't be tested then the Council get away with the money they have robbed from the motorists, anyway talk about wasting Taxpayers money just been into Bolton town centre to check on the bays and guess what, they are still illegal,so pea brains like allstars...gazz_ball ...don060541...Breig htmetblogger, have a go at the council for wasting your council tax, but my guess is you are all on benefits so you won't pay any anyway and i repeat i do not make money from my parking campaign it actually costs me money A guy wanted to show his appreciation with a Tenner I refused on the grounds that I do not want folk to think I am taking money, it is free advice and help I give. the guy got around my refusal to take the cash by buying my wife a bunch of flowers and a box of Chocolates, i don't much like flowers and i can't eat choco unless it is diabetic choco. Parking is ring fenced it doesn't affect the Council Tax because the parking regime is self funded. www.boltonparkingapp eals.blogspot.com
Barry dear!

You really are showing yourself up for what you really are - a very angry man with too much time on his hands.

You obviously hate the concept of free speach because rather than debate intelligently and answer the questions I posed to you, you instead accuse all your opponents of being on benefits. It aint true in my case, but even if it was true - what the hell is your point???

By the way - you say you have just been to the town centre and the markings are illegal, however the council solicitor is saying they are legal.
Dont you think they would have checked this time round Barry, because they seem pretty sure of themselves

And another question for you - why is your phone number that you previously posted - a premium line? Not making any money are you not?

And I'll ask one more time - how many appeals have you won on behalf of other people who have contacted you?

a.voiceofreason, Bolton says...
5:37pm Tue 27 Nov 07

Keep up the good work Barry ! Don't let the B------- grined you down !

a.voiceofreason, Bolton says...
5:49pm Tue 27 Nov 07

I can’t believe there are so many gullible people like the Breightmetblogger,

Does he really believe that the councils and its solicitor are above misleading the public!

Get your head out of the sand!

It’s because of people like the Breightmetblogger, that the town is only short of one thing! Tumble weed! And that’s not far away!

chas, suffolk says...
5:56pm Tue 27 Nov 07

Another six months for anti-Moss rants and that's only for reviewing. How much longer before the work is actually done?The council ought to get their finger out. Maybe they could go over to Eastern Europe and get some WORKERS.

don060541, devon says...
6:46pm Tue 27 Nov 07

They would have a job chas they are all over here.
Now that idea appeals to me send Moss head over there to sort there roads and parking out.
With a bit of luck he may get arrested.

Breightmetblogger, bolton says...
6:57pm Tue 27 Nov 07

a.voiceofreason wrote:
I can’t believe there are so many gullible people like the Breightmetblogger, Does he really believe that the councils and its solicitor are above misleading the public! Get your head out of the sand! It’s because of people like the Breightmetblogger, that the town is only short of one thing! Tumble weed! And that’s not far away!
Yeah OK, I understand the political point you are making. The 'council' i.e. whichever party is in control gets kicked from pillar to post all the time. Sometimes they deserve it, and sometimes they dont.

We can have no doubt that Moss was initially correct, because the council went round and re-painted lines. But my first point of contention with him is that for all the expense of doing that and the mess its caused - was it worth it. I dont think so.

But anyway its done now, so we are now on the argument - are they still incorrect? Moss says they are and voiceofreason says that you cant trust the council. But - I mean come on - they've changed it now, they've had legal advice, there is a big anti-council spotlight on them AKA Bolton News. What on earth would they be getting out of lying? Nothing at all - they may as well carry on correcting them, with no additional bad publicity.

So no - voiceofreason, I am not being gullible at all. Its on the balance of probablities that my money is on the council being right this time. Why dont you live up to your blog-name and think about it for a minute.

xipetotec46, bmoss@ntlworld.com says...
8:55pm Tue 27 Nov 07

Bolton Council do not have anyone with expertise who know how to sign the bays in the borough, or distinguish a lawful bay from an unlawful one, legal services certainly don't, they are more concerned with taking pub smokers to court, this parking issue is way outside their remit and their comfort zone
From Breightmetblogger And another question for you - why is your phone number that you previously posted - a premium line? Not making any money are you not?

And I'll ask one more time - how many appeals have you won on behalf of other people who have contacted you?
Breightmetblogger a premium rate number starts with 090 the 0870 number I was using was a national rate number it was free and the company who set it up for free made zilch because I removed it when I found out they would have charged 10 per minute, on behalf of folk who have contacted me for help with parking tickets i have won everyone with about 20 still to be heard. Breightmetblogger. admit it you don't really have a clue what you are talking about do you, if I sat with you over a pint for half an hour you would gasp at the evidence the photographs the written paperwork I have on Bolton Council's illegal Parking Regime and just what they Council are prepared to do to keep hold of the illegal money they have obtained,they have changed the bays but changed nothing everything the Council has done is still illegal, in some cases even more so. there are more revelations to come, watch this space. I 'll be there at the Holiday Inn on 14th December to make another 100% win for people appealing against the Council Parking Tickets.

Horwich Allstars, Horwich says...
10:32pm Tue 27 Nov 07

So basically, Moss wants a job telling the council how to paint the bays. The council have no-one with the expertise...yet Moss has all the knowledge. The day thay they employ him as a consultant is the day i stop paying my council tax.
BN - stop giving this irritant publicity, just ignore him and do something a bit more worthwhile with your paper.

parishner, bolton says...
11:35pm Tue 27 Nov 07

park outside your bay,and your booked whos nit picking now well done mr moss,power to the people the real people,jobs for people who carnt do anything else,but theive peoples money dick turpin wore a mask..........

DW190, Bolton says...
9:18am Thu 29 Nov 07

Executive member for the environment, Cllr Nick Peel, told the committee, which approved the review: "I have every confidence the council has responded entirely appropriately and we have done quite well in terms of speed. We have turned the corner and we are now only getting it all correct ."


Before the Authority were granted the powers to operate Decriminalised Parking Enforcement they would have had to confirm that all the required signs and lines were in place and conforming to Statutory Legislation. Who was the highly paid exec who signed the document? Probably one who has had a large salary increase recently to approve of their incompetence.


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