It’s all smiles at school for outstanding success

11:50am Wednesday 9th January 2013 in Local

SIMPLY outstanding — Canon Slade School has become just the second high school in Bolton to be given the top rating by education watchdogs.

School inspectors have given the Bradshaw school the highest marks possible.

It was found to be outstanding in every area — achievement of pupils, quality of teaching, behaviour and safety of pupils and leadership and management — and becomes only the second high school to be awarded the coveted grade one status.

St James CE in Farnworth became the first in December 2011.

Inspectors reported: “The school’s firmly held values and caring ethos underpin all aspects of its work and are proudly endorsed by the students, staff, leaders and governors who make up the Canon Slade family.

“All students make outstanding progress as a result of excellent teaching.”

And inspectors found the majority of students secure places at their first choice university.

One student told an inspector “Lessons are exciting and make us think”, which Ofsted said reflected the enthusiasm of young people at the school.

Inspectors found that pupils who receive additional Government funding “achieve significantly better than their peers nationally”.

The report added: “Students who are disabled or with special educational needs make outstanding progress as a result of high-quality teaching and very effective and well co-ordinated support.”

Headteacher Canon Philip Williamson was singled out for praise and was described as combining “steely determination with compassion in a way that inspires the school community”.

Canon Williamson said: "This is a wonderful achievement for our school and is testament to the outstanding behaviour, diligence and engagement of our students and to the expertise and commitment of staff who work unremittingly to teach and support our young people.

“The standards of the school are also a reflection of the support and encouragement given by parents and carers and to the work of our governing body and trustees.”

Comments (33)

9:23am Wed 9 Jan 13

oftbewildered2 says...

This makes nice reading
This makes nice reading oftbewildered2

1:13pm Wed 9 Jan 13

cliff4treasurer says...

Don't suppose he knows anything about a chief execs role at a local NHS trust?
He could do it part time like Cliff did and no doubt make a substantialy better job of it!!
Don't suppose he knows anything about a chief execs role at a local NHS trust? He could do it part time like Cliff did and no doubt make a substantialy better job of it!! cliff4treasurer

4:22pm Wed 9 Jan 13

myfanwy7 says...

This is also a school with a massively lower than average number of students on free school dinners, and one which is in effect highly selective, employing a specious religious attendance qualification to effectively screen out as many disadvantaged children as possible. Hey presto!
This is also a school with a massively lower than average number of students on free school dinners, and one which is in effect highly selective, employing a specious religious attendance qualification to effectively screen out as many disadvantaged children as possible. Hey presto! myfanwy7

6:29pm Wed 9 Jan 13

Gaz1262 says...

myfanwy7 wrote:
This is also a school with a massively lower than average number of students on free school dinners, and one which is in effect highly selective, employing a specious religious attendance qualification to effectively screen out as many disadvantaged children as possible. Hey presto!
Absolutely spot on and why not!! The Christian ethos works for the family unit and works in education. Why should my child have to endure the dysfunctional types in this borough. The Muslim faith does it the Jewish faith does it so why not the Christians. If you don't believe then pop along to your local comprehensive or academy provider and you put your faith in them. I chose the JC way and he's never let me down.
[quote][p][bold]myfanwy7[/bold] wrote: This is also a school with a massively lower than average number of students on free school dinners, and one which is in effect highly selective, employing a specious religious attendance qualification to effectively screen out as many disadvantaged children as possible. Hey presto![/p][/quote]Absolutely spot on and why not!! The Christian ethos works for the family unit and works in education. Why should my child have to endure the dysfunctional types in this borough. The Muslim faith does it the Jewish faith does it so why not the Christians. If you don't believe then pop along to your local comprehensive or academy provider and you put your faith in them. I chose the JC way and he's never let me down. Gaz1262

7:02pm Wed 9 Jan 13

Don Kiddick says...

Terrible school steeped in the religious indoctrination of innocent, impressionable children and a school that failed to spot a pedophile in its midst. Go look at wiki for a list of notable past pupils and you'll see it's pretty dire really. There's no arguing with the results, they're outstanding but that is clearly not a fair representation of society and the school is ipso-facto choosing the more able children brought up under a religious regime. Even with that cherry-picking, the list of notable alumni is very poor.
Terrible school steeped in the religious indoctrination of innocent, impressionable children and a school that failed to spot a pedophile in its midst. Go look at wiki for a list of notable past pupils and you'll see it's pretty dire really. There's no arguing with the results, they're outstanding but that is clearly not a fair representation of society and the school is ipso-facto choosing the more able children brought up under a religious regime. Even with that cherry-picking, the list of notable alumni is very poor. Don Kiddick

7:19pm Wed 9 Jan 13

Hulton Park says...

Don Kiddick wrote:
Terrible school steeped in the religious indoctrination of innocent, impressionable children and a school that failed to spot a pedophile in its midst. Go look at wiki for a list of notable past pupils and you'll see it's pretty dire really. There's no arguing with the results, they're outstanding but that is clearly not a fair representation of society and the school is ipso-facto choosing the more able children brought up under a religious regime. Even with that cherry-picking, the list of notable alumni is very poor.
Amazes me how many people associate having religious parents with being more able.

Does this also apply to St James's, Farnworth?
[quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: Terrible school steeped in the religious indoctrination of innocent, impressionable children and a school that failed to spot a pedophile in its midst. Go look at wiki for a list of notable past pupils and you'll see it's pretty dire really. There's no arguing with the results, they're outstanding but that is clearly not a fair representation of society and the school is ipso-facto choosing the more able children brought up under a religious regime. Even with that cherry-picking, the list of notable alumni is very poor.[/p][/quote]Amazes me how many people associate having religious parents with being more able. Does this also apply to St James's, Farnworth? Hulton Park

8:53pm Wed 9 Jan 13

davedog says...

Well done Canon Slade. It's such a shame there are negative comments here as an 'Outstanding' judgement under the new Ofsted framework is very difficult to achieve! How about some praise for the staff and pupils? The fact that there is a comprehensive admissions process should not take away from the fact that the school has achieved so well.
Well done Canon Slade. It's such a shame there are negative comments here as an 'Outstanding' judgement under the new Ofsted framework is very difficult to achieve! How about some praise for the staff and pupils? The fact that there is a comprehensive admissions process should not take away from the fact that the school has achieved so well. davedog

10:21pm Wed 9 Jan 13

myfanwy7 says...

davedog wrote:
Well done Canon Slade. It's such a shame there are negative comments here as an 'Outstanding' judgement under the new Ofsted framework is very difficult to achieve! How about some praise for the staff and pupils? The fact that there is a comprehensive admissions process should not take away from the fact that the school has achieved so well.
The results are undoubtedly excellent and the students will have worked hard to earn them. They will have been well taught, but the quality of teaching is excellent in many schools that have poorer outcomes. I am merely contextualising things to point out that Canon Slade is not a genuine comprehensive but has a head start with its intake. Given that it would be very surprising if students didn't do well.
[quote][p][bold]davedog[/bold] wrote: Well done Canon Slade. It's such a shame there are negative comments here as an 'Outstanding' judgement under the new Ofsted framework is very difficult to achieve! How about some praise for the staff and pupils? The fact that there is a comprehensive admissions process should not take away from the fact that the school has achieved so well.[/p][/quote]The results are undoubtedly excellent and the students will have worked hard to earn them. They will have been well taught, but the quality of teaching is excellent in many schools that have poorer outcomes. I am merely contextualising things to point out that Canon Slade is not a genuine comprehensive but has a head start with its intake. Given that it would be very surprising if students didn't do well. myfanwy7

10:55pm Wed 9 Jan 13

lindlandl says...

Gaz1262 wrote:
myfanwy7 wrote:
This is also a school with a massively lower than average number of students on free school dinners, and one which is in effect highly selective, employing a specious religious attendance qualification to effectively screen out as many disadvantaged children as possible. Hey presto!
Absolutely spot on and why not!! The Christian ethos works for the family unit and works in education. Why should my child have to endure the dysfunctional types in this borough. The Muslim faith does it the Jewish faith does it so why not the Christians. If you don't believe then pop along to your local comprehensive or academy provider and you put your faith in them. I chose the JC way and he's never let me down.
Your comment does not strike me as having a great deal of Christian ethos! I fully agree with the right of Christians to educate Christians exclusively, but not when the rest of us have to pay for it, and, as you seemed to point out yourself, Canon Slade is much more about social exclusion, rather than Christianity. It says a lot for your so-called Christian ethos that you expect the children of us non-religious people to 'endure the dysfunctional types', whilst your children should not, but you are not willing to shell out for your exclusivity. If your superior, self-satisfied attitude is representative of the culture of this school, maybe the children of us heathens aren't missing much.
[quote][p][bold]Gaz1262[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]myfanwy7[/bold] wrote: This is also a school with a massively lower than average number of students on free school dinners, and one which is in effect highly selective, employing a specious religious attendance qualification to effectively screen out as many disadvantaged children as possible. Hey presto![/p][/quote]Absolutely spot on and why not!! The Christian ethos works for the family unit and works in education. Why should my child have to endure the dysfunctional types in this borough. The Muslim faith does it the Jewish faith does it so why not the Christians. If you don't believe then pop along to your local comprehensive or academy provider and you put your faith in them. I chose the JC way and he's never let me down.[/p][/quote]Your comment does not strike me as having a great deal of Christian ethos! I fully agree with the right of Christians to educate Christians exclusively, but not when the rest of us have to pay for it, and, as you seemed to point out yourself, Canon Slade is much more about social exclusion, rather than Christianity. It says a lot for your so-called Christian ethos that you expect the children of us non-religious people to 'endure the dysfunctional types', whilst your children should not, but you are not willing to shell out for your exclusivity. If your superior, self-satisfied attitude is representative of the culture of this school, maybe the children of us heathens aren't missing much. lindlandl

11:15pm Wed 9 Jan 13

Gaz1262 says...

lindlandl wrote:
Gaz1262 wrote:
myfanwy7 wrote:
This is also a school with a massively lower than average number of students on free school dinners, and one which is in effect highly selective, employing a specious religious attendance qualification to effectively screen out as many disadvantaged children as possible. Hey presto!
Absolutely spot on and why not!! The Christian ethos works for the family unit and works in education. Why should my child have to endure the dysfunctional types in this borough. The Muslim faith does it the Jewish faith does it so why not the Christians. If you don't believe then pop along to your local comprehensive or academy provider and you put your faith in them. I chose the JC way and he's never let me down.
Your comment does not strike me as having a great deal of Christian ethos! I fully agree with the right of Christians to educate Christians exclusively, but not when the rest of us have to pay for it, and, as you seemed to point out yourself, Canon Slade is much more about social exclusion, rather than Christianity. It says a lot for your so-called Christian ethos that you expect the children of us non-religious people to 'endure the dysfunctional types', whilst your children should not, but you are not willing to shell out for your exclusivity. If your superior, self-satisfied attitude is representative of the culture of this school, maybe the children of us heathens aren't missing much.
Your right your not missing much. In fact it would be an education wasted on you and your offspring. Up the Christians!! And pass on my regards to the dysfunctional types. But please not on my door step. Anybody for a slice of JC?
[quote][p][bold]lindlandl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gaz1262[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]myfanwy7[/bold] wrote: This is also a school with a massively lower than average number of students on free school dinners, and one which is in effect highly selective, employing a specious religious attendance qualification to effectively screen out as many disadvantaged children as possible. Hey presto![/p][/quote]Absolutely spot on and why not!! The Christian ethos works for the family unit and works in education. Why should my child have to endure the dysfunctional types in this borough. The Muslim faith does it the Jewish faith does it so why not the Christians. If you don't believe then pop along to your local comprehensive or academy provider and you put your faith in them. I chose the JC way and he's never let me down.[/p][/quote]Your comment does not strike me as having a great deal of Christian ethos! I fully agree with the right of Christians to educate Christians exclusively, but not when the rest of us have to pay for it, and, as you seemed to point out yourself, Canon Slade is much more about social exclusion, rather than Christianity. It says a lot for your so-called Christian ethos that you expect the children of us non-religious people to 'endure the dysfunctional types', whilst your children should not, but you are not willing to shell out for your exclusivity. If your superior, self-satisfied attitude is representative of the culture of this school, maybe the children of us heathens aren't missing much.[/p][/quote]Your right your not missing much. In fact it would be an education wasted on you and your offspring. Up the Christians!! And pass on my regards to the dysfunctional types. But please not on my door step. Anybody for a slice of JC? Gaz1262

2:13am Thu 10 Jan 13

wild one says...

and not a muslim in sight...
and not a muslim in sight... wild one

4:06am Thu 10 Jan 13

lindlandl says...

Gaz1262 wrote:
lindlandl wrote:
Gaz1262 wrote:
myfanwy7 wrote:
This is also a school with a massively lower than average number of students on free school dinners, and one which is in effect highly selective, employing a specious religious attendance qualification to effectively screen out as many disadvantaged children as possible. Hey presto!
Absolutely spot on and why not!! The Christian ethos works for the family unit and works in education. Why should my child have to endure the dysfunctional types in this borough. The Muslim faith does it the Jewish faith does it so why not the Christians. If you don't believe then pop along to your local comprehensive or academy provider and you put your faith in them. I chose the JC way and he's never let me down.
Your comment does not strike me as having a great deal of Christian ethos! I fully agree with the right of Christians to educate Christians exclusively, but not when the rest of us have to pay for it, and, as you seemed to point out yourself, Canon Slade is much more about social exclusion, rather than Christianity. It says a lot for your so-called Christian ethos that you expect the children of us non-religious people to 'endure the dysfunctional types', whilst your children should not, but you are not willing to shell out for your exclusivity. If your superior, self-satisfied attitude is representative of the culture of this school, maybe the children of us heathens aren't missing much.
Your right your not missing much. In fact it would be an education wasted on you and your offspring. Up the Christians!! And pass on my regards to the dysfunctional types. But please not on my door step. Anybody for a slice of JC?
I agree a Christian education would be wasted on me, if it engendered an attitude such as yours. At least my education, though thankfully lacking in the narrow-minded bigotry your 'ethos' appears to have instilled, did teach me a modicum of grammar (I think you meant 'You're' - the contraction of 'You are'.) I have absolute respect for true Christians, they just seem a little thin on the ground. I believe the problem is that there are far more people who think that clocking up their church attendance for the sole purpose of gaining a place in a particular school for their 'offspring' makes them superior to people who would feel too uncomfortable to be that dishonest. I would have had no problems with a school with a Christian ethos, the extremely dedicated and, sometimes, inspirational teachers who often work in them, or the motivated and hard working pupils - it's just the element of parents with dodgy attitudes such as yours that I would be keen to avoid. Please don't bother yourself with the education of my 'offspring'. It's excellent, courtesy of a bursary, at a school that performs even better. It would seem that if you want to be really selective, the most effective means is by ability rather than hiding behind 'JC' which may very well have excluded you and your 'offspring' however self-righteous you are.

Well done to the staff and pupils at Canon Slade for all their achievements, but has anyone thought of putting on some remedial classes for Gaz1262?You could start with the basics of humanity before you move him on to the teachings of Jesus Christ and, you never know, you may be able to squeeze in a bit of grammar eventually!
[quote][p][bold]Gaz1262[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lindlandl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gaz1262[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]myfanwy7[/bold] wrote: This is also a school with a massively lower than average number of students on free school dinners, and one which is in effect highly selective, employing a specious religious attendance qualification to effectively screen out as many disadvantaged children as possible. Hey presto![/p][/quote]Absolutely spot on and why not!! The Christian ethos works for the family unit and works in education. Why should my child have to endure the dysfunctional types in this borough. The Muslim faith does it the Jewish faith does it so why not the Christians. If you don't believe then pop along to your local comprehensive or academy provider and you put your faith in them. I chose the JC way and he's never let me down.[/p][/quote]Your comment does not strike me as having a great deal of Christian ethos! I fully agree with the right of Christians to educate Christians exclusively, but not when the rest of us have to pay for it, and, as you seemed to point out yourself, Canon Slade is much more about social exclusion, rather than Christianity. It says a lot for your so-called Christian ethos that you expect the children of us non-religious people to 'endure the dysfunctional types', whilst your children should not, but you are not willing to shell out for your exclusivity. If your superior, self-satisfied attitude is representative of the culture of this school, maybe the children of us heathens aren't missing much.[/p][/quote]Your right your not missing much. In fact it would be an education wasted on you and your offspring. Up the Christians!! And pass on my regards to the dysfunctional types. But please not on my door step. Anybody for a slice of JC?[/p][/quote]I agree a Christian education would be wasted on me, if it engendered an attitude such as yours. At least my education, though thankfully lacking in the narrow-minded bigotry your 'ethos' appears to have instilled, did teach me a modicum of grammar (I think you meant 'You're' - the contraction of 'You are'.) I have absolute respect for true Christians, they just seem a little thin on the ground. I believe the problem is that there are far more people who think that clocking up their church attendance for the sole purpose of gaining a place in a particular school for their 'offspring' makes them superior to people who would feel too uncomfortable to be that dishonest. I would have had no problems with a school with a Christian ethos, the extremely dedicated and, sometimes, inspirational teachers who often work in them, or the motivated and hard working pupils - it's just the element of parents with dodgy attitudes such as yours that I would be keen to avoid. Please don't bother yourself with the education of my 'offspring'. It's excellent, courtesy of a bursary, at a school that performs even better. It would seem that if you want to be really selective, the most effective means is by ability rather than hiding behind 'JC' which may very well have excluded you and your 'offspring' however self-righteous you are. Well done to the staff and pupils at Canon Slade for all their achievements, but has anyone thought of putting on some remedial classes for Gaz1262?You could start with the basics of humanity before you move him on to the teachings of Jesus Christ and, you never know, you may be able to squeeze in a bit of grammar eventually! lindlandl

7:29am Thu 10 Jan 13

Don Kiddick says...

As Gaz shows, it doesn't take much poking to get the religious to show their true colours - hence the amount of pain, suffering, death and destruction religion has caused over the centuries, and still causes. Bolton School is selective but does not discriminate on the grounds of an upbringing under a religious regime and if your kid is good enough, places are available subsidised or even free. The difference between Bolton School English and Sara Cox English is very different innit, as are the figures for pupils reaching Oxbridge. I'd send my children to a disgusting place like Canon Slade when hell freezes over.
As Gaz shows, it doesn't take much poking to get the religious to show their true colours - hence the amount of pain, suffering, death and destruction religion has caused over the centuries, and still causes. Bolton School is selective but does not discriminate on the grounds of an upbringing under a religious regime and if your kid is good enough, places are available subsidised or even free. The difference between Bolton School English and Sara Cox English is very different innit, as are the figures for pupils reaching Oxbridge. I'd send my children to a disgusting place like Canon Slade when hell freezes over. Don Kiddick

9:45am Thu 10 Jan 13

Joe29m says...

wild one wrote:
and not a muslim in sight...
Interesting then that the ofsted report specifically says how the muslim pupils and staff of the school feel welome and valued. Still, don't let facts get in the way of prejudice.
[quote][p][bold]wild one[/bold] wrote: and not a muslim in sight...[/p][/quote]Interesting then that the ofsted report specifically says how the muslim pupils and staff of the school feel welome and valued. Still, don't let facts get in the way of prejudice. Joe29m

9:50am Thu 10 Jan 13

Joe29m says...

Don Kiddick wrote:
As Gaz shows, it doesn't take much poking to get the religious to show their true colours - hence the amount of pain, suffering, death and destruction religion has caused over the centuries, and still causes. Bolton School is selective but does not discriminate on the grounds of an upbringing under a religious regime and if your kid is good enough, places are available subsidised or even free. The difference between Bolton School English and Sara Cox English is very different innit, as are the figures for pupils reaching Oxbridge. I'd send my children to a disgusting place like Canon Slade when hell freezes over.
Speaking of showing true colours .... Perhaps a little threatened that parents are starting to realise they can get just as good an education without having to pay for it. You're also conveniently ignoring the fact that Ofsted look at the progress pupils make not just the raw results. So if what you say is true and only the parents of more able pupils go to church - then the school is outstanding in helping those pupils to achieve the best they can.
[quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: As Gaz shows, it doesn't take much poking to get the religious to show their true colours - hence the amount of pain, suffering, death and destruction religion has caused over the centuries, and still causes. Bolton School is selective but does not discriminate on the grounds of an upbringing under a religious regime and if your kid is good enough, places are available subsidised or even free. The difference between Bolton School English and Sara Cox English is very different innit, as are the figures for pupils reaching Oxbridge. I'd send my children to a disgusting place like Canon Slade when hell freezes over.[/p][/quote]Speaking of showing true colours .... Perhaps a little threatened that parents are starting to realise they can get just as good an education without having to pay for it. You're also conveniently ignoring the fact that Ofsted look at the progress pupils make not just the raw results. So if what you say is true and only the parents of more able pupils go to church - then the school is outstanding in helping those pupils to achieve the best they can. Joe29m

10:24am Thu 10 Jan 13

Don Kiddick says...

First of all, you choose to ignore the very clear point that parents do not have to pay to send their children to Bolton School. Secondly, the points made have little to do with pupils ability - both schools have a selection criteria cherry-picking the brighter pupils and there's nothing wrong with that at all except that Canon Slade discriminates on the basis of religion. Nowhere has anyone stated the ridiculous notion that children from a religious background are more able than those from a secular upbringing, indeed Bolton School which draws a non-discriminatory intake, significantly out-performs Canon Slade on pupils going up to Oxbridge/LSE etc. The point is that a pupil of good enough standard to gain entry to either school but who didn't come from an abusive religious background would not gain access to Canon Slade.
First of all, you choose to ignore the very clear point that parents do not have to pay to send their children to Bolton School. Secondly, the points made have little to do with pupils ability - both schools have a selection criteria cherry-picking the brighter pupils and there's nothing wrong with that at all except that Canon Slade discriminates on the basis of religion. Nowhere has anyone stated the ridiculous notion that children from a religious background are more able than those from a secular upbringing, indeed Bolton School which draws a non-discriminatory intake, significantly out-performs Canon Slade on pupils going up to Oxbridge/LSE etc. The point is that a pupil of good enough standard to gain entry to either school but who didn't come from an abusive religious background would not gain access to Canon Slade. Don Kiddick

11:26am Thu 10 Jan 13

Joe29m says...

You really can't have it both ways however much you try to distort the facts. Since you agree that children from religious backgrounds are not more able from those from secualr backgrounds, then admitting children on the basis of church attendance clearly does not constitute "cherry picking the brighter pupils". The fact that Canon Slade with a comprehensive admission (in terms of ability) achieve results very close to Bolton School which has the benefits of both selection on ability and much smaller class sizes thanks to the fact that the vast majority of pupils do pay fees, is surely something the town should celebrate.

However, your prejudiced view that exposing children to any form of religious belief (and educating them so that they are able to form their own views) constitutes abuse will, I suspect, not allow you to concede this.
You really can't have it both ways however much you try to distort the facts. Since you agree that children from religious backgrounds are not more able from those from secualr backgrounds, then admitting children on the basis of church attendance clearly does not constitute "cherry picking the brighter pupils". The fact that Canon Slade with a comprehensive admission (in terms of ability) achieve results very close to Bolton School which has the benefits of both selection on ability and much smaller class sizes thanks to the fact that the vast majority of pupils do pay fees, is surely something the town should celebrate. However, your prejudiced view that exposing children to any form of religious belief (and educating them so that they are able to form their own views) constitutes abuse will, I suspect, not allow you to concede this. Joe29m

11:52am Thu 10 Jan 13

Don Kiddick says...

Joe29m wrote:
You really can't have it both ways however much you try to distort the facts. Since you agree that children from religious backgrounds are not more able from those from secualr backgrounds, then admitting children on the basis of church attendance clearly does not constitute "cherry picking the brighter pupils". The fact that Canon Slade with a comprehensive admission (in terms of ability) achieve results very close to Bolton School which has the benefits of both selection on ability and much smaller class sizes thanks to the fact that the vast majority of pupils do pay fees, is surely something the town should celebrate. However, your prejudiced view that exposing children to any form of religious belief (and educating them so that they are able to form their own views) constitutes abuse will, I suspect, not allow you to concede this.
What planet are you on??? I've very clearly stated that both schools cherry pick pupils and I agree with that process! If you could read, you would see that I fully support cherry-picking!

Any child exposed to religious indoctrination is a child that has been abused. A child is incapable of understanding the arguments for and against a god, but for survival that child relies on the words of its guardians without question - hence religion parasites itself on the shameful abuse of innocent children.
[quote][p][bold]Joe29m[/bold] wrote: You really can't have it both ways however much you try to distort the facts. Since you agree that children from religious backgrounds are not more able from those from secualr backgrounds, then admitting children on the basis of church attendance clearly does not constitute "cherry picking the brighter pupils". The fact that Canon Slade with a comprehensive admission (in terms of ability) achieve results very close to Bolton School which has the benefits of both selection on ability and much smaller class sizes thanks to the fact that the vast majority of pupils do pay fees, is surely something the town should celebrate. However, your prejudiced view that exposing children to any form of religious belief (and educating them so that they are able to form their own views) constitutes abuse will, I suspect, not allow you to concede this.[/p][/quote]What planet are you on??? I've very clearly stated that both schools cherry pick pupils and I agree with that process! If you could read, you would see that I fully support cherry-picking! Any child exposed to religious indoctrination is a child that has been abused. A child is incapable of understanding the arguments for and against a god, but for survival that child relies on the words of its guardians without question - hence religion parasites itself on the shameful abuse of innocent children. Don Kiddick

12:22pm Thu 10 Jan 13

Joe29m says...

Ok this is my last time snce you are clearly unable to grasp an reasoned argument. If you had actually read what I said, you would see that I am saying that from your own arguments Canon Slade does not cherry pick since it admits on the basis of church attendance which you have agreed has no relevnce when it comes to academic ability.

On the other point we will also have to disagree since rather than seeing pupils at secondary schools as mindless sponges, I see them as developing as independent thinkers, rightly challenging and questioning everything and forming their own views on all issues - including religion. So some may decide they have a faith and some will not - that's called maturity which is surely the aim of all education. If by the age of 16 or 18 a person is "incapable of understanding the arguments for and against a god" then the education thay have received has been sorely lacking.

As I'm sure you know any school which was trying to indoctrinate pupils in any belief whether religious or political, would rightly be deemed inadequate by Ofsted. I don't know if you've ever bothered to visit the school you are so quick to label "terrible" or "disgusting" but those who have including a professional team of inspectors cleary take a very different view. Perhaps if your main source of evidence wasn't "wiki" you would be capable of more intelligent analysis.
Ok this is my last time snce you are clearly unable to grasp an reasoned argument. If you had actually read what I said, you would see that I am saying that from your own arguments Canon Slade does not cherry pick since it admits on the basis of church attendance which you have agreed has no relevnce when it comes to academic ability. On the other point we will also have to disagree since rather than seeing pupils at secondary schools as mindless sponges, I see them as developing as independent thinkers, rightly challenging and questioning everything and forming their own views on all issues - including religion. So some may decide they have a faith and some will not - that's called maturity which is surely the aim of all education. If by the age of 16 or 18 a person is "incapable of understanding the arguments for and against a god" then the education thay have received has been sorely lacking. As I'm sure you know any school which was trying to indoctrinate pupils in any belief whether religious or political, would rightly be deemed inadequate by Ofsted. I don't know if you've ever bothered to visit the school you are so quick to label "terrible" or "disgusting" but those who have including a professional team of inspectors cleary take a very different view. Perhaps if your main source of evidence wasn't "wiki" you would be capable of more intelligent analysis. Joe29m

12:55pm Thu 10 Jan 13

myfanwy7 says...

Well-motivated, sharp-elbowed middle class parents have been known to join churches in order to accumulate the necessary entry criteria. A student's "ability" is a very complex thing, but being well-supported at home is helpful and that tends to be the background of Canon Slade children. Enough said. Canon Slade's a good school but enjoys advantages many others can't.
Well-motivated, sharp-elbowed middle class parents have been known to join churches in order to accumulate the necessary entry criteria. A student's "ability" is a very complex thing, but being well-supported at home is helpful and that tends to be the background of Canon Slade children. Enough said. Canon Slade's a good school but enjoys advantages many others can't. myfanwy7

1:11pm Thu 10 Jan 13

Joe29m says...

myfanwy7 wrote:
Well-motivated, sharp-elbowed middle class parents have been known to join churches in order to accumulate the necessary entry criteria. A student's "ability" is a very complex thing, but being well-supported at home is helpful and that tends to be the background of Canon Slade children. Enough said. Canon Slade's a good school but enjoys advantages many others can't.
I do think that's a fair point - I'm sure every school tries to do its absolute best for the pupils they get and all Canon Slade or any school can do is help their young people achieve their full potential.

What concerned me wasn't your points but the extreme (and, it seems to me, unreasoning) antagonism of other posters to a school which surely is entitled to be proud of such a glowing report.
[quote][p][bold]myfanwy7[/bold] wrote: Well-motivated, sharp-elbowed middle class parents have been known to join churches in order to accumulate the necessary entry criteria. A student's "ability" is a very complex thing, but being well-supported at home is helpful and that tends to be the background of Canon Slade children. Enough said. Canon Slade's a good school but enjoys advantages many others can't.[/p][/quote]I do think that's a fair point - I'm sure every school tries to do its absolute best for the pupils they get and all Canon Slade or any school can do is help their young people achieve their full potential. What concerned me wasn't your points but the extreme (and, it seems to me, unreasoning) antagonism of other posters to a school which surely is entitled to be proud of such a glowing report. Joe29m

1:29pm Thu 10 Jan 13

Don Kiddick says...

Joe29m wrote:
Ok this is my last time snce you are clearly unable to grasp an reasoned argument. If you had actually read what I said, you would see that I am saying that from your own arguments Canon Slade does not cherry pick since it admits on the basis of church attendance which you have agreed has no relevnce when it comes to academic ability. On the other point we will also have to disagree since rather than seeing pupils at secondary schools as mindless sponges, I see them as developing as independent thinkers, rightly challenging and questioning everything and forming their own views on all issues - including religion. So some may decide they have a faith and some will not - that's called maturity which is surely the aim of all education. If by the age of 16 or 18 a person is "incapable of understanding the arguments for and against a god" then the education thay have received has been sorely lacking. As I'm sure you know any school which was trying to indoctrinate pupils in any belief whether religious or political, would rightly be deemed inadequate by Ofsted. I don't know if you've ever bothered to visit the school you are so quick to label "terrible" or "disgusting" but those who have including a professional team of inspectors cleary take a very different view. Perhaps if your main source of evidence wasn't "wiki" you would be capable of more intelligent analysis.
Yet more nonsense and back-tracking. Both schools have selection standards, so both schools cherry pick based on ability, a system i agree with. I then went on to say a pupil who was of a standard acceptable to both schools but was not brought up in a religious household would be discriminated against by Canon Slade. I haven't a clue what point you are trying to make, or how you can say that view is false?

I think I'm also correct in stating that there are few 16 to 18 year olds that are capable of grasping the aforementioned arguments - and before you try to put yet more words in my mouth, i didn't say none, i said few. Probably the ones that come from a high achieving, unbiased background such as Bolton School.

I am sure the Ofsted results are highly accurate and justified as far as they go.

I'm glad we agree on Bolton School being the better school though, if you can make the grade.
[quote][p][bold]Joe29m[/bold] wrote: Ok this is my last time snce you are clearly unable to grasp an reasoned argument. If you had actually read what I said, you would see that I am saying that from your own arguments Canon Slade does not cherry pick since it admits on the basis of church attendance which you have agreed has no relevnce when it comes to academic ability. On the other point we will also have to disagree since rather than seeing pupils at secondary schools as mindless sponges, I see them as developing as independent thinkers, rightly challenging and questioning everything and forming their own views on all issues - including religion. So some may decide they have a faith and some will not - that's called maturity which is surely the aim of all education. If by the age of 16 or 18 a person is "incapable of understanding the arguments for and against a god" then the education thay have received has been sorely lacking. As I'm sure you know any school which was trying to indoctrinate pupils in any belief whether religious or political, would rightly be deemed inadequate by Ofsted. I don't know if you've ever bothered to visit the school you are so quick to label "terrible" or "disgusting" but those who have including a professional team of inspectors cleary take a very different view. Perhaps if your main source of evidence wasn't "wiki" you would be capable of more intelligent analysis.[/p][/quote]Yet more nonsense and back-tracking. Both schools have selection standards, so both schools cherry pick based on ability, a system i agree with. I then went on to say a pupil who was of a standard acceptable to both schools but was not brought up in a religious household would be discriminated against by Canon Slade. I haven't a clue what point you are trying to make, or how you can say that view is false? I think I'm also correct in stating that there are few 16 to 18 year olds that are capable of grasping the aforementioned arguments - and before you try to put yet more words in my mouth, i didn't say none, i said few. Probably the ones that come from a high achieving, unbiased background such as Bolton School. I am sure the Ofsted results are highly accurate and justified as far as they go. I'm glad we agree on Bolton School being the better school though, if you can make the grade. Don Kiddick

2:10pm Thu 10 Jan 13

Joe29m says...

Don Kiddick wrote:
Joe29m wrote: Ok this is my last time snce you are clearly unable to grasp an reasoned argument. If you had actually read what I said, you would see that I am saying that from your own arguments Canon Slade does not cherry pick since it admits on the basis of church attendance which you have agreed has no relevnce when it comes to academic ability. On the other point we will also have to disagree since rather than seeing pupils at secondary schools as mindless sponges, I see them as developing as independent thinkers, rightly challenging and questioning everything and forming their own views on all issues - including religion. So some may decide they have a faith and some will not - that's called maturity which is surely the aim of all education. If by the age of 16 or 18 a person is "incapable of understanding the arguments for and against a god" then the education thay have received has been sorely lacking. As I'm sure you know any school which was trying to indoctrinate pupils in any belief whether religious or political, would rightly be deemed inadequate by Ofsted. I don't know if you've ever bothered to visit the school you are so quick to label "terrible" or "disgusting" but those who have including a professional team of inspectors cleary take a very different view. Perhaps if your main source of evidence wasn't "wiki" you would be capable of more intelligent analysis.
Yet more nonsense and back-tracking. Both schools have selection standards, so both schools cherry pick based on ability, a system i agree with. I then went on to say a pupil who was of a standard acceptable to both schools but was not brought up in a religious household would be discriminated against by Canon Slade. I haven't a clue what point you are trying to make, or how you can say that view is false? I think I'm also correct in stating that there are few 16 to 18 year olds that are capable of grasping the aforementioned arguments - and before you try to put yet more words in my mouth, i didn't say none, i said few. Probably the ones that come from a high achieving, unbiased background such as Bolton School. I am sure the Ofsted results are highly accurate and justified as far as they go. I'm glad we agree on Bolton School being the better school though, if you can make the grade.
I really don't see why you find my simple point so difficult - Canon Slade does not have any standard of selection on ability, just on church attendance. Since you maintain (and I agree) that church attendance does not indicate greater abilty, this means there is no "cherry picking", a fact you are seemingly unable to grasp (so I'm hoping you didn't go to Bolton School yourself as this would seem to undermine your argument that it produces clear thinkers).

Interesting what your definition of Better is - I agree Bolton School is a good school - but personally prefer a school which looks after children of all ability levels (and is specifically praised for how well it helps the least able to progress). I also don't see why the advocate of one school feels so threatened by the other they have to resort to abuse and mis-information to try and criticise it. For my children - whether high achieving, low ability or in the middle - there wouldn't be any contest where I would prefer them to be. But equally I respect the fact that other people might choose a different one.

We still have to disagree about your patronising view of young people though. If you really believe that the only 16 -18 year olds capable of understanding arguments about the existence of God are those who have had a priviledged private education then I'm sorry you live in such a blinkered and arrogant bubble. The young people I encounter - irrespective of what school they attend - are almost all bright, articulate and thoughtful and quite capable of reaching their own conclusions on complex issues. I can guarantee that any attempt to indoctrinate on any subject would be totally counter-productive and have as much effect as my attempts to get you to see the flaws in your views.
[quote][p][bold]Don Kiddick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joe29m[/bold] wrote: Ok this is my last time snce you are clearly unable to grasp an reasoned argument. If you had actually read what I said, you would see that I am saying that from your own arguments Canon Slade does not cherry pick since it admits on the basis of church attendance which you have agreed has no relevnce when it comes to academic ability. On the other point we will also have to disagree since rather than seeing pupils at secondary schools as mindless sponges, I see them as developing as independent thinkers, rightly challenging and questioning everything and forming their own views on all issues - including religion. So some may decide they have a faith and some will not - that's called maturity which is surely the aim of all education. If by the age of 16 or 18 a person is "incapable of understanding the arguments for and against a god" then the education thay have received has been sorely lacking. As I'm sure you know any school which was trying to indoctrinate pupils in any belief whether religious or political, would rightly be deemed inadequate by Ofsted. I don't know if you've ever bothered to visit the school you are so quick to label "terrible" or "disgusting" but those who have including a professional team of inspectors cleary take a very different view. Perhaps if your main source of evidence wasn't "wiki" you would be capable of more intelligent analysis.[/p][/quote]Yet more nonsense and back-tracking. Both schools have selection standards, so both schools cherry pick based on ability, a system i agree with. I then went on to say a pupil who was of a standard acceptable to both schools but was not brought up in a religious household would be discriminated against by Canon Slade. I haven't a clue what point you are trying to make, or how you can say that view is false? I think I'm also correct in stating that there are few 16 to 18 year olds that are capable of grasping the aforementioned arguments - and before you try to put yet more words in my mouth, i didn't say none, i said few. Probably the ones that come from a high achieving, unbiased background such as Bolton School. I am sure the Ofsted results are highly accurate and justified as far as they go. I'm glad we agree on Bolton School being the better school though, if you can make the grade.[/p][/quote]I really don't see why you find my simple point so difficult - Canon Slade does not have any standard of selection on ability, just on church attendance. Since you maintain (and I agree) that church attendance does not indicate greater abilty, this means there is no "cherry picking", a fact you are seemingly unable to grasp (so I'm hoping you didn't go to Bolton School yourself as this would seem to undermine your argument that it produces clear thinkers). Interesting what your definition of Better is - I agree Bolton School is a good school - but personally prefer a school which looks after children of all ability levels (and is specifically praised for how well it helps the least able to progress). I also don't see why the advocate of one school feels so threatened by the other they have to resort to abuse and mis-information to try and criticise it. For my children - whether high achieving, low ability or in the middle - there wouldn't be any contest where I would prefer them to be. But equally I respect the fact that other people might choose a different one. We still have to disagree about your patronising view of young people though. If you really believe that the only 16 -18 year olds capable of understanding arguments about the existence of God are those who have had a priviledged private education then I'm sorry you live in such a blinkered and arrogant bubble. The young people I encounter - irrespective of what school they attend - are almost all bright, articulate and thoughtful and quite capable of reaching their own conclusions on complex issues. I can guarantee that any attempt to indoctrinate on any subject would be totally counter-productive and have as much effect as my attempts to get you to see the flaws in your views. Joe29m

2:19pm Thu 10 Jan 13

Don Kiddick says...

My apologies, I stand completely corrected. I was wrong in thinking Canon Slade selected on academic ability.

I'm afraid we will have to disagree on the remainder.

Apologies once again.
My apologies, I stand completely corrected. I was wrong in thinking Canon Slade selected on academic ability. I'm afraid we will have to disagree on the remainder. Apologies once again. Don Kiddick

3:06pm Thu 10 Jan 13

Joe29m says...

No problem - and no hard feelings either.
No problem - and no hard feelings either. Joe29m

10:34pm Thu 10 Jan 13

Gaz1262 says...

lindlandl wrote:
Gaz1262 wrote:
lindlandl wrote:
Gaz1262 wrote:
myfanwy7 wrote:
This is also a school with a massively lower than average number of students on free school dinners, and one which is in effect highly selective, employing a specious religious attendance qualification to effectively screen out as many disadvantaged children as possible. Hey presto!
Absolutely spot on and why not!! The Christian ethos works for the family unit and works in education. Why should my child have to endure the dysfunctional types in this borough. The Muslim faith does it the Jewish faith does it so why not the Christians. If you don't believe then pop along to your local comprehensive or academy provider and you put your faith in them. I chose the JC way and he's never let me down.
Your comment does not strike me as having a great deal of Christian ethos! I fully agree with the right of Christians to educate Christians exclusively, but not when the rest of us have to pay for it, and, as you seemed to point out yourself, Canon Slade is much more about social exclusion, rather than Christianity. It says a lot for your so-called Christian ethos that you expect the children of us non-religious people to 'endure the dysfunctional types', whilst your children should not, but you are not willing to shell out for your exclusivity. If your superior, self-satisfied attitude is representative of the culture of this school, maybe the children of us heathens aren't missing much.
Your right your not missing much. In fact it would be an education wasted on you and your offspring. Up the Christians!! And pass on my regards to the dysfunctional types. But please not on my door step. Anybody for a slice of JC?
I agree a Christian education would be wasted on me, if it engendered an attitude such as yours. At least my education, though thankfully lacking in the narrow-minded bigotry your 'ethos' appears to have instilled, did teach me a modicum of grammar (I think you meant 'You're' - the contraction of 'You are'.) I have absolute respect for true Christians, they just seem a little thin on the ground. I believe the problem is that there are far more people who think that clocking up their church attendance for the sole purpose of gaining a place in a particular school for their 'offspring' makes them superior to people who would feel too uncomfortable to be that dishonest. I would have had no problems with a school with a Christian ethos, the extremely dedicated and, sometimes, inspirational teachers who often work in them, or the motivated and hard working pupils - it's just the element of parents with dodgy attitudes such as yours that I would be keen to avoid. Please don't bother yourself with the education of my 'offspring'. It's excellent, courtesy of a bursary, at a school that performs even better. It would seem that if you want to be really selective, the most effective means is by ability rather than hiding behind 'JC' which may very well have excluded you and your 'offspring' however self-righteous you are.

Well done to the staff and pupils at Canon Slade for all their achievements, but has anyone thought of putting on some remedial classes for Gaz1262?You could start with the basics of humanity before you move him on to the teachings of Jesus Christ and, you never know, you may be able to squeeze in a bit of grammar eventually!
Great speech. Just goes to show how passionate the non religious types are towards the religious types when it comes to fair play. It also baffles me why so many clowns fall for a wind up. Great speech by the way!! Let yourself down with the Gammmar policing bit though. Shows a sign of weakness in an argument when you need to demonstrate that you're or is it your a smart Alec.

My kids are at BS.
[quote][p][bold]lindlandl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gaz1262[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lindlandl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gaz1262[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]myfanwy7[/bold] wrote: This is also a school with a massively lower than average number of students on free school dinners, and one which is in effect highly selective, employing a specious religious attendance qualification to effectively screen out as many disadvantaged children as possible. Hey presto![/p][/quote]Absolutely spot on and why not!! The Christian ethos works for the family unit and works in education. Why should my child have to endure the dysfunctional types in this borough. The Muslim faith does it the Jewish faith does it so why not the Christians. If you don't believe then pop along to your local comprehensive or academy provider and you put your faith in them. I chose the JC way and he's never let me down.[/p][/quote]Your comment does not strike me as having a great deal of Christian ethos! I fully agree with the right of Christians to educate Christians exclusively, but not when the rest of us have to pay for it, and, as you seemed to point out yourself, Canon Slade is much more about social exclusion, rather than Christianity. It says a lot for your so-called Christian ethos that you expect the children of us non-religious people to 'endure the dysfunctional types', whilst your children should not, but you are not willing to shell out for your exclusivity. If your superior, self-satisfied attitude is representative of the culture of this school, maybe the children of us heathens aren't missing much.[/p][/quote]Your right your not missing much. In fact it would be an education wasted on you and your offspring. Up the Christians!! And pass on my regards to the dysfunctional types. But please not on my door step. Anybody for a slice of JC?[/p][/quote]I agree a Christian education would be wasted on me, if it engendered an attitude such as yours. At least my education, though thankfully lacking in the narrow-minded bigotry your 'ethos' appears to have instilled, did teach me a modicum of grammar (I think you meant 'You're' - the contraction of 'You are'.) I have absolute respect for true Christians, they just seem a little thin on the ground. I believe the problem is that there are far more people who think that clocking up their church attendance for the sole purpose of gaining a place in a particular school for their 'offspring' makes them superior to people who would feel too uncomfortable to be that dishonest. I would have had no problems with a school with a Christian ethos, the extremely dedicated and, sometimes, inspirational teachers who often work in them, or the motivated and hard working pupils - it's just the element of parents with dodgy attitudes such as yours that I would be keen to avoid. Please don't bother yourself with the education of my 'offspring'. It's excellent, courtesy of a bursary, at a school that performs even better. It would seem that if you want to be really selective, the most effective means is by ability rather than hiding behind 'JC' which may very well have excluded you and your 'offspring' however self-righteous you are. Well done to the staff and pupils at Canon Slade for all their achievements, but has anyone thought of putting on some remedial classes for Gaz1262?You could start with the basics of humanity before you move him on to the teachings of Jesus Christ and, you never know, you may be able to squeeze in a bit of grammar eventually![/p][/quote]Great speech. Just goes to show how passionate the non religious types are towards the religious types when it comes to fair play. It also baffles me why so many clowns fall for a wind up. Great speech by the way!! Let yourself down with the Gammmar policing bit though. Shows a sign of weakness in an argument when you need to demonstrate that you're or is it your a smart Alec. My kids are at BS. Gaz1262

6:40pm Fri 11 Jan 13

lindlandl says...

Gaz1262 wrote:
lindlandl wrote:
Gaz1262 wrote:
lindlandl wrote:
Gaz1262 wrote:
myfanwy7 wrote:
This is also a school with a massively lower than average number of students on free school dinners, and one which is in effect highly selective, employing a specious religious attendance qualification to effectively screen out as many disadvantaged children as possible. Hey presto!
Absolutely spot on and why not!! The Christian ethos works for the family unit and works in education. Why should my child have to endure the dysfunctional types in this borough. The Muslim faith does it the Jewish faith does it so why not the Christians. If you don't believe then pop along to your local comprehensive or academy provider and you put your faith in them. I chose the JC way and he's never let me down.
Your comment does not strike me as having a great deal of Christian ethos! I fully agree with the right of Christians to educate Christians exclusively, but not when the rest of us have to pay for it, and, as you seemed to point out yourself, Canon Slade is much more about social exclusion, rather than Christianity. It says a lot for your so-called Christian ethos that you expect the children of us non-religious people to 'endure the dysfunctional types', whilst your children should not, but you are not willing to shell out for your exclusivity. If your superior, self-satisfied attitude is representative of the culture of this school, maybe the children of us heathens aren't missing much.
Your right your not missing much. In fact it would be an education wasted on you and your offspring. Up the Christians!! And pass on my regards to the dysfunctional types. But please not on my door step. Anybody for a slice of JC?
I agree a Christian education would be wasted on me, if it engendered an attitude such as yours. At least my education, though thankfully lacking in the narrow-minded bigotry your 'ethos' appears to have instilled, did teach me a modicum of grammar (I think you meant 'You're' - the contraction of 'You are'.) I have absolute respect for true Christians, they just seem a little thin on the ground. I believe the problem is that there are far more people who think that clocking up their church attendance for the sole purpose of gaining a place in a particular school for their 'offspring' makes them superior to people who would feel too uncomfortable to be that dishonest. I would have had no problems with a school with a Christian ethos, the extremely dedicated and, sometimes, inspirational teachers who often work in them, or the motivated and hard working pupils - it's just the element of parents with dodgy attitudes such as yours that I would be keen to avoid. Please don't bother yourself with the education of my 'offspring'. It's excellent, courtesy of a bursary, at a school that performs even better. It would seem that if you want to be really selective, the most effective means is by ability rather than hiding behind 'JC' which may very well have excluded you and your 'offspring' however self-righteous you are.

Well done to the staff and pupils at Canon Slade for all their achievements, but has anyone thought of putting on some remedial classes for Gaz1262?You could start with the basics of humanity before you move him on to the teachings of Jesus Christ and, you never know, you may be able to squeeze in a bit of grammar eventually!
Great speech. Just goes to show how passionate the non religious types are towards the religious types when it comes to fair play. It also baffles me why so many clowns fall for a wind up. Great speech by the way!! Let yourself down with the Gammmar policing bit though. Shows a sign of weakness in an argument when you need to demonstrate that you're or is it your a smart Alec.

My kids are at BS.
I would normally regard comments on poor grammar as irrelevant, unnecessarily unpleasant and patronising, especially when grammar has nothing to do with the issue being discussed. I made an exception though, as you had chosen to comment on the worth of not only my education, but that of my 'offspring'. I'm not actually 'passionate towards the religious types', as I don't normally give them a second thought. Live and let live. What I do feel passionate about is social exclusion, most particularly of children.
[quote][p][bold]Gaz1262[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lindlandl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gaz1262[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lindlandl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gaz1262[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]myfanwy7[/bold] wrote: This is also a school with a massively lower than average number of students on free school dinners, and one which is in effect highly selective, employing a specious religious attendance qualification to effectively screen out as many disadvantaged children as possible. Hey presto![/p][/quote]Absolutely spot on and why not!! The Christian ethos works for the family unit and works in education. Why should my child have to endure the dysfunctional types in this borough. The Muslim faith does it the Jewish faith does it so why not the Christians. If you don't believe then pop along to your local comprehensive or academy provider and you put your faith in them. I chose the JC way and he's never let me down.[/p][/quote]Your comment does not strike me as having a great deal of Christian ethos! I fully agree with the right of Christians to educate Christians exclusively, but not when the rest of us have to pay for it, and, as you seemed to point out yourself, Canon Slade is much more about social exclusion, rather than Christianity. It says a lot for your so-called Christian ethos that you expect the children of us non-religious people to 'endure the dysfunctional types', whilst your children should not, but you are not willing to shell out for your exclusivity. If your superior, self-satisfied attitude is representative of the culture of this school, maybe the children of us heathens aren't missing much.[/p][/quote]Your right your not missing much. In fact it would be an education wasted on you and your offspring. Up the Christians!! And pass on my regards to the dysfunctional types. But please not on my door step. Anybody for a slice of JC?[/p][/quote]I agree a Christian education would be wasted on me, if it engendered an attitude such as yours. At least my education, though thankfully lacking in the narrow-minded bigotry your 'ethos' appears to have instilled, did teach me a modicum of grammar (I think you meant 'You're' - the contraction of 'You are'.) I have absolute respect for true Christians, they just seem a little thin on the ground. I believe the problem is that there are far more people who think that clocking up their church attendance for the sole purpose of gaining a place in a particular school for their 'offspring' makes them superior to people who would feel too uncomfortable to be that dishonest. I would have had no problems with a school with a Christian ethos, the extremely dedicated and, sometimes, inspirational teachers who often work in them, or the motivated and hard working pupils - it's just the element of parents with dodgy attitudes such as yours that I would be keen to avoid. Please don't bother yourself with the education of my 'offspring'. It's excellent, courtesy of a bursary, at a school that performs even better. It would seem that if you want to be really selective, the most effective means is by ability rather than hiding behind 'JC' which may very well have excluded you and your 'offspring' however self-righteous you are. Well done to the staff and pupils at Canon Slade for all their achievements, but has anyone thought of putting on some remedial classes for Gaz1262?You could start with the basics of humanity before you move him on to the teachings of Jesus Christ and, you never know, you may be able to squeeze in a bit of grammar eventually![/p][/quote]Great speech. Just goes to show how passionate the non religious types are towards the religious types when it comes to fair play. It also baffles me why so many clowns fall for a wind up. Great speech by the way!! Let yourself down with the Gammmar policing bit though. Shows a sign of weakness in an argument when you need to demonstrate that you're or is it your a smart Alec. My kids are at BS.[/p][/quote]I would normally regard comments on poor grammar as irrelevant, unnecessarily unpleasant and patronising, especially when grammar has nothing to do with the issue being discussed. I made an exception though, as you had chosen to comment on the worth of not only my education, but that of my 'offspring'. I'm not actually 'passionate towards the religious types', as I don't normally give them a second thought. Live and let live. What I do feel passionate about is social exclusion, most particularly of children. lindlandl

11:30pm Fri 11 Jan 13

Gaz1262 says...

lindlandl wrote:
Gaz1262 wrote:
lindlandl wrote:
Gaz1262 wrote:
lindlandl wrote:
Gaz1262 wrote:
myfanwy7 wrote:
This is also a school with a massively lower than average number of students on free school dinners, and one which is in effect highly selective, employing a specious religious attendance qualification to effectively screen out as many disadvantaged children as possible. Hey presto!
Absolutely spot on and why not!! The Christian ethos works for the family unit and works in education. Why should my child have to endure the dysfunctional types in this borough. The Muslim faith does it the Jewish faith does it so why not the Christians. If you don't believe then pop along to your local comprehensive or academy provider and you put your faith in them. I chose the JC way and he's never let me down.
Your comment does not strike me as having a great deal of Christian ethos! I fully agree with the right of Christians to educate Christians exclusively, but not when the rest of us have to pay for it, and, as you seemed to point out yourself, Canon Slade is much more about social exclusion, rather than Christianity. It says a lot for your so-called Christian ethos that you expect the children of us non-religious people to 'endure the dysfunctional types', whilst your children should not, but you are not willing to shell out for your exclusivity. If your superior, self-satisfied attitude is representative of the culture of this school, maybe the children of us heathens aren't missing much.
Your right your not missing much. In fact it would be an education wasted on you and your offspring. Up the Christians!! And pass on my regards to the dysfunctional types. But please not on my door step. Anybody for a slice of JC?
I agree a Christian education would be wasted on me, if it engendered an attitude such as yours. At least my education, though thankfully lacking in the narrow-minded bigotry your 'ethos' appears to have instilled, did teach me a modicum of grammar (I think you meant 'You're' - the contraction of 'You are'.) I have absolute respect for true Christians, they just seem a little thin on the ground. I believe the problem is that there are far more people who think that clocking up their church attendance for the sole purpose of gaining a place in a particular school for their 'offspring' makes them superior to people who would feel too uncomfortable to be that dishonest. I would have had no problems with a school with a Christian ethos, the extremely dedicated and, sometimes, inspirational teachers who often work in them, or the motivated and hard working pupils - it's just the element of parents with dodgy attitudes such as yours that I would be keen to avoid. Please don't bother yourself with the education of my 'offspring'. It's excellent, courtesy of a bursary, at a school that performs even better. It would seem that if you want to be really selective, the most effective means is by ability rather than hiding behind 'JC' which may very well have excluded you and your 'offspring' however self-righteous you are.

Well done to the staff and pupils at Canon Slade for all their achievements, but has anyone thought of putting on some remedial classes for Gaz1262?You could start with the basics of humanity before you move him on to the teachings of Jesus Christ and, you never know, you may be able to squeeze in a bit of grammar eventually!
Great speech. Just goes to show how passionate the non religious types are towards the religious types when it comes to fair play. It also baffles me why so many clowns fall for a wind up. Great speech by the way!! Let yourself down with the Gammmar policing bit though. Shows a sign of weakness in an argument when you need to demonstrate that you're or is it your a smart Alec.

My kids are at BS.
I would normally regard comments on poor grammar as irrelevant, unnecessarily unpleasant and patronising, especially when grammar has nothing to do with the issue being discussed. I made an exception though, as you had chosen to comment on the worth of not only my education, but that of my 'offspring'. I'm not actually 'passionate towards the religious types', as I don't normally give them a second thought. Live and let live. What I do feel passionate about is social exclusion, most particularly of children.
Me! I don't give a toss except for my own that is. Then again I'm loaded so whatever..........
[quote][p][bold]lindlandl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gaz1262[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lindlandl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gaz1262[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lindlandl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gaz1262[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]myfanwy7[/bold] wrote: This is also a school with a massively lower than average number of students on free school dinners, and one which is in effect highly selective, employing a specious religious attendance qualification to effectively screen out as many disadvantaged children as possible. Hey presto![/p][/quote]Absolutely spot on and why not!! The Christian ethos works for the family unit and works in education. Why should my child have to endure the dysfunctional types in this borough. The Muslim faith does it the Jewish faith does it so why not the Christians. If you don't believe then pop along to your local comprehensive or academy provider and you put your faith in them. I chose the JC way and he's never let me down.[/p][/quote]Your comment does not strike me as having a great deal of Christian ethos! I fully agree with the right of Christians to educate Christians exclusively, but not when the rest of us have to pay for it, and, as you seemed to point out yourself, Canon Slade is much more about social exclusion, rather than Christianity. It says a lot for your so-called Christian ethos that you expect the children of us non-religious people to 'endure the dysfunctional types', whilst your children should not, but you are not willing to shell out for your exclusivity. If your superior, self-satisfied attitude is representative of the culture of this school, maybe the children of us heathens aren't missing much.[/p][/quote]Your right your not missing much. In fact it would be an education wasted on you and your offspring. Up the Christians!! And pass on my regards to the dysfunctional types. But please not on my door step. Anybody for a slice of JC?[/p][/quote]I agree a Christian education would be wasted on me, if it engendered an attitude such as yours. At least my education, though thankfully lacking in the narrow-minded bigotry your 'ethos' appears to have instilled, did teach me a modicum of grammar (I think you meant 'You're' - the contraction of 'You are'.) I have absolute respect for true Christians, they just seem a little thin on the ground. I believe the problem is that there are far more people who think that clocking up their church attendance for the sole purpose of gaining a place in a particular school for their 'offspring' makes them superior to people who would feel too uncomfortable to be that dishonest. I would have had no problems with a school with a Christian ethos, the extremely dedicated and, sometimes, inspirational teachers who often work in them, or the motivated and hard working pupils - it's just the element of parents with dodgy attitudes such as yours that I would be keen to avoid. Please don't bother yourself with the education of my 'offspring'. It's excellent, courtesy of a bursary, at a school that performs even better. It would seem that if you want to be really selective, the most effective means is by ability rather than hiding behind 'JC' which may very well have excluded you and your 'offspring' however self-righteous you are. Well done to the staff and pupils at Canon Slade for all their achievements, but has anyone thought of putting on some remedial classes for Gaz1262?You could start with the basics of humanity before you move him on to the teachings of Jesus Christ and, you never know, you may be able to squeeze in a bit of grammar eventually![/p][/quote]Great speech. Just goes to show how passionate the non religious types are towards the religious types when it comes to fair play. It also baffles me why so many clowns fall for a wind up. Great speech by the way!! Let yourself down with the Gammmar policing bit though. Shows a sign of weakness in an argument when you need to demonstrate that you're or is it your a smart Alec. My kids are at BS.[/p][/quote]I would normally regard comments on poor grammar as irrelevant, unnecessarily unpleasant and patronising, especially when grammar has nothing to do with the issue being discussed. I made an exception though, as you had chosen to comment on the worth of not only my education, but that of my 'offspring'. I'm not actually 'passionate towards the religious types', as I don't normally give them a second thought. Live and let live. What I do feel passionate about is social exclusion, most particularly of children.[/p][/quote]Me! I don't give a toss except for my own that is. Then again I'm loaded so whatever.......... Gaz1262

11:17am Sat 12 Jan 13

davedog says...

The children at Canon Slade have made outstanding progress! It's as simple as that! They walk through the door at a certain level and leave at a certain level. The school have to prove they have moved the children beyond expectations and Canon Slade have! Religion, social class etc are the wider issues that help develop well rounded individuals! Some of the rants on here are unbelievable and it is clear some people have too much time on their hands to write at such length!
The children at Canon Slade have made outstanding progress! It's as simple as that! They walk through the door at a certain level and leave at a certain level. The school have to prove they have moved the children beyond expectations and Canon Slade have! Religion, social class etc are the wider issues that help develop well rounded individuals! Some of the rants on here are unbelievable and it is clear some people have too much time on their hands to write at such length! davedog

9:49pm Sat 12 Jan 13

lindlandl says...

Gaz1262 wrote:
lindlandl wrote:
Gaz1262 wrote:
lindlandl wrote:
Gaz1262 wrote:
lindlandl wrote:
Gaz1262 wrote:
myfanwy7 wrote:
This is also a school with a massively lower than average number of students on free school dinners, and one which is in effect highly selective, employing a specious religious attendance qualification to effectively screen out as many disadvantaged children as possible. Hey presto!
Absolutely spot on and why not!! The Christian ethos works for the family unit and works in education. Why should my child have to endure the dysfunctional types in this borough. The Muslim faith does it the Jewish faith does it so why not the Christians. If you don't believe then pop along to your local comprehensive or academy provider and you put your faith in them. I chose the JC way and he's never let me down.
Your comment does not strike me as having a great deal of Christian ethos! I fully agree with the right of Christians to educate Christians exclusively, but not when the rest of us have to pay for it, and, as you seemed to point out yourself, Canon Slade is much more about social exclusion, rather than Christianity. It says a lot for your so-called Christian ethos that you expect the children of us non-religious people to 'endure the dysfunctional types', whilst your children should not, but you are not willing to shell out for your exclusivity. If your superior, self-satisfied attitude is representative of the culture of this school, maybe the children of us heathens aren't missing much.
Your right your not missing much. In fact it would be an education wasted on you and your offspring. Up the Christians!! And pass on my regards to the dysfunctional types. But please not on my door step. Anybody for a slice of JC?
I agree a Christian education would be wasted on me, if it engendered an attitude such as yours. At least my education, though thankfully lacking in the narrow-minded bigotry your 'ethos' appears to have instilled, did teach me a modicum of grammar (I think you meant 'You're' - the contraction of 'You are'.) I have absolute respect for true Christians, they just seem a little thin on the ground. I believe the problem is that there are far more people who think that clocking up their church attendance for the sole purpose of gaining a place in a particular school for their 'offspring' makes them superior to people who would feel too uncomfortable to be that dishonest. I would have had no problems with a school with a Christian ethos, the extremely dedicated and, sometimes, inspirational teachers who often work in them, or the motivated and hard working pupils - it's just the element of parents with dodgy attitudes such as yours that I would be keen to avoid. Please don't bother yourself with the education of my 'offspring'. It's excellent, courtesy of a bursary, at a school that performs even better. It would seem that if you want to be really selective, the most effective means is by ability rather than hiding behind 'JC' which may very well have excluded you and your 'offspring' however self-righteous you are.

Well done to the staff and pupils at Canon Slade for all their achievements, but has anyone thought of putting on some remedial classes for Gaz1262?You could start with the basics of humanity before you move him on to the teachings of Jesus Christ and, you never know, you may be able to squeeze in a bit of grammar eventually!
Great speech. Just goes to show how passionate the non religious types are towards the religious types when it comes to fair play. It also baffles me why so many clowns fall for a wind up. Great speech by the way!! Let yourself down with the Gammmar policing bit though. Shows a sign of weakness in an argument when you need to demonstrate that you're or is it your a smart Alec.

My kids are at BS.
I would normally regard comments on poor grammar as irrelevant, unnecessarily unpleasant and patronising, especially when grammar has nothing to do with the issue being discussed. I made an exception though, as you had chosen to comment on the worth of not only my education, but that of my 'offspring'. I'm not actually 'passionate towards the religious types', as I don't normally give them a second thought. Live and let live. What I do feel passionate about is social exclusion, most particularly of children.
Me! I don't give a toss except for my own that is. Then again I'm loaded so whatever..........
You said it.
[quote][p][bold]Gaz1262[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lindlandl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gaz1262[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lindlandl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gaz1262[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lindlandl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gaz1262[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]myfanwy7[/bold] wrote: This is also a school with a massively lower than average number of students on free school dinners, and one which is in effect highly selective, employing a specious religious attendance qualification to effectively screen out as many disadvantaged children as possible. Hey presto![/p][/quote]Absolutely spot on and why not!! The Christian ethos works for the family unit and works in education. Why should my child have to endure the dysfunctional types in this borough. The Muslim faith does it the Jewish faith does it so why not the Christians. If you don't believe then pop along to your local comprehensive or academy provider and you put your faith in them. I chose the JC way and he's never let me down.[/p][/quote]Your comment does not strike me as having a great deal of Christian ethos! I fully agree with the right of Christians to educate Christians exclusively, but not when the rest of us have to pay for it, and, as you seemed to point out yourself, Canon Slade is much more about social exclusion, rather than Christianity. It says a lot for your so-called Christian ethos that you expect the children of us non-religious people to 'endure the dysfunctional types', whilst your children should not, but you are not willing to shell out for your exclusivity. If your superior, self-satisfied attitude is representative of the culture of this school, maybe the children of us heathens aren't missing much.[/p][/quote]Your right your not missing much. In fact it would be an education wasted on you and your offspring. Up the Christians!! And pass on my regards to the dysfunctional types. But please not on my door step. Anybody for a slice of JC?[/p][/quote]I agree a Christian education would be wasted on me, if it engendered an attitude such as yours. At least my education, though thankfully lacking in the narrow-minded bigotry your 'ethos' appears to have instilled, did teach me a modicum of grammar (I think you meant 'You're' - the contraction of 'You are'.) I have absolute respect for true Christians, they just seem a little thin on the ground. I believe the problem is that there are far more people who think that clocking up their church attendance for the sole purpose of gaining a place in a particular school for their 'offspring' makes them superior to people who would feel too uncomfortable to be that dishonest. I would have had no problems with a school with a Christian ethos, the extremely dedicated and, sometimes, inspirational teachers who often work in them, or the motivated and hard working pupils - it's just the element of parents with dodgy attitudes such as yours that I would be keen to avoid. Please don't bother yourself with the education of my 'offspring'. It's excellent, courtesy of a bursary, at a school that performs even better. It would seem that if you want to be really selective, the most effective means is by ability rather than hiding behind 'JC' which may very well have excluded you and your 'offspring' however self-righteous you are. Well done to the staff and pupils at Canon Slade for all their achievements, but has anyone thought of putting on some remedial classes for Gaz1262?You could start with the basics of humanity before you move him on to the teachings of Jesus Christ and, you never know, you may be able to squeeze in a bit of grammar eventually![/p][/quote]Great speech. Just goes to show how passionate the non religious types are towards the religious types when it comes to fair play. It also baffles me why so many clowns fall for a wind up. Great speech by the way!! Let yourself down with the Gammmar policing bit though. Shows a sign of weakness in an argument when you need to demonstrate that you're or is it your a smart Alec. My kids are at BS.[/p][/quote]I would normally regard comments on poor grammar as irrelevant, unnecessarily unpleasant and patronising, especially when grammar has nothing to do with the issue being discussed. I made an exception though, as you had chosen to comment on the worth of not only my education, but that of my 'offspring'. I'm not actually 'passionate towards the religious types', as I don't normally give them a second thought. Live and let live. What I do feel passionate about is social exclusion, most particularly of children.[/p][/quote]Me! I don't give a toss except for my own that is. Then again I'm loaded so whatever..........[/p][/quote]You said it. lindlandl

2:32pm Sun 13 Jan 13

boltonnut says...

Class distinction,snobbery
,are still a way of lie with the Brits.If some one happens to make good in life,(I'm not talking footballer) socialy they seem to cross a line,they become POSH.Posh house,posh car,posh school.Posh is a synonym for expensive as I see it.I live in an enviroment where the CLASSES are less distinct.My children went to the same shool,one went on to university,the others didn't.They still share the same status.I worked in factorys all my working life,my grandchildren go to the same schools as some of my aquaintences' grandchildren,my aquaintences range from doctors,welders,bank
ers,welfare recipients etc.We can all socialise without stigmas being strewn around.Religion does not enter into social status or schooling.I know the above article and comments are not my concern but I thought I'd add my two cents in anyway.Thank you.
Class distinction,snobbery ,are still a way of lie with the Brits.If some one happens to make good in life,(I'm not talking footballer) socialy they seem to cross a line,they become POSH.Posh house,posh car,posh school.Posh is a synonym for expensive as I see it.I live in an enviroment where the CLASSES are less distinct.My children went to the same shool,one went on to university,the others didn't.They still share the same status.I worked in factorys all my working life,my grandchildren go to the same schools as some of my aquaintences' grandchildren,my aquaintences range from doctors,welders,bank ers,welfare recipients etc.We can all socialise without stigmas being strewn around.Religion does not enter into social status or schooling.I know the above article and comments are not my concern but I thought I'd add my two cents in anyway.Thank you. boltonnut

1:01pm Mon 14 Jan 13

JohnTheBaptist says...

The 'middle eastern looking' man must have left the disposals for the man in question.
The 'middle eastern looking' man must have left the disposals for the man in question. JohnTheBaptist

2:07pm Tue 15 Jan 13

RodBlack says...

Gaz1262 wrote:
lindlandl wrote:
Gaz1262 wrote:
lindlandl wrote:
Gaz1262 wrote:
lindlandl wrote:
Gaz1262 wrote:
myfanwy7 wrote:
This is also a school with a massively lower than average number of students on free school dinners, and one which is in effect highly selective, employing a specious religious attendance qualification to effectively screen out as many disadvantaged children as possible. Hey presto!
Absolutely spot on and why not!! The Christian ethos works for the family unit and works in education. Why should my child have to endure the dysfunctional types in this borough. The Muslim faith does it the Jewish faith does it so why not the Christians. If you don't believe then pop along to your local comprehensive or academy provider and you put your faith in them. I chose the JC way and he's never let me down.
Your comment does not strike me as having a great deal of Christian ethos! I fully agree with the right of Christians to educate Christians exclusively, but not when the rest of us have to pay for it, and, as you seemed to point out yourself, Canon Slade is much more about social exclusion, rather than Christianity. It says a lot for your so-called Christian ethos that you expect the children of us non-religious people to 'endure the dysfunctional types', whilst your children should not, but you are not willing to shell out for your exclusivity. If your superior, self-satisfied attitude is representative of the culture of this school, maybe the children of us heathens aren't missing much.
Your right your not missing much. In fact it would be an education wasted on you and your offspring. Up the Christians!! And pass on my regards to the dysfunctional types. But please not on my door step. Anybody for a slice of JC?
I agree a Christian education would be wasted on me, if it engendered an attitude such as yours. At least my education, though thankfully lacking in the narrow-minded bigotry your 'ethos' appears to have instilled, did teach me a modicum of grammar (I think you meant 'You're' - the contraction of 'You are'.) I have absolute respect for true Christians, they just seem a little thin on the ground. I believe the problem is that there are far more people who think that clocking up their church attendance for the sole purpose of gaining a place in a particular school for their 'offspring' makes them superior to people who would feel too uncomfortable to be that dishonest. I would have had no problems with a school with a Christian ethos, the extremely dedicated and, sometimes, inspirational teachers who often work in them, or the motivated and hard working pupils - it's just the element of parents with dodgy attitudes such as yours that I would be keen to avoid. Please don't bother yourself with the education of my 'offspring'. It's excellent, courtesy of a bursary, at a school that performs even better. It would seem that if you want to be really selective, the most effective means is by ability rather than hiding behind 'JC' which may very well have excluded you and your 'offspring' however self-righteous you are.

Well done to the staff and pupils at Canon Slade for all their achievements, but has anyone thought of putting on some remedial classes for Gaz1262?You could start with the basics of humanity before you move him on to the teachings of Jesus Christ and, you never know, you may be able to squeeze in a bit of grammar eventually!
Great speech. Just goes to show how passionate the non religious types are towards the religious types when it comes to fair play. It also baffles me why so many clowns fall for a wind up. Great speech by the way!! Let yourself down with the Gammmar policing bit though. Shows a sign of weakness in an argument when you need to demonstrate that you're or is it your a smart Alec.

My kids are at BS.
I would normally regard comments on poor grammar as irrelevant, unnecessarily unpleasant and patronising, especially when grammar has nothing to do with the issue being discussed. I made an exception though, as you had chosen to comment on the worth of not only my education, but that of my 'offspring'. I'm not actually 'passionate towards the religious types', as I don't normally give them a second thought. Live and let live. What I do feel passionate about is social exclusion, most particularly of children.
Me! I don't give a toss except for my own that is. Then again I'm loaded so whatever..........
When I went to Canonslade I learned plenty about "JC" and I can assure you that this is an attitude he would not approve of.
[quote][p][bold]Gaz1262[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lindlandl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gaz1262[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lindlandl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gaz1262[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lindlandl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gaz1262[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]myfanwy7[/bold] wrote: This is also a school with a massively lower than average number of students on free school dinners, and one which is in effect highly selective, employing a specious religious attendance qualification to effectively screen out as many disadvantaged children as possible. Hey presto![/p][/quote]Absolutely spot on and why not!! The Christian ethos works for the family unit and works in education. Why should my child have to endure the dysfunctional types in this borough. The Muslim faith does it the Jewish faith does it so why not the Christians. If you don't believe then pop along to your local comprehensive or academy provider and you put your faith in them. I chose the JC way and he's never let me down.[/p][/quote]Your comment does not strike me as having a great deal of Christian ethos! I fully agree with the right of Christians to educate Christians exclusively, but not when the rest of us have to pay for it, and, as you seemed to point out yourself, Canon Slade is much more about social exclusion, rather than Christianity. It says a lot for your so-called Christian ethos that you expect the children of us non-religious people to 'endure the dysfunctional types', whilst your children should not, but you are not willing to shell out for your exclusivity. If your superior, self-satisfied attitude is representative of the culture of this school, maybe the children of us heathens aren't missing much.[/p][/quote]Your right your not missing much. In fact it would be an education wasted on you and your offspring. Up the Christians!! And pass on my regards to the dysfunctional types. But please not on my door step. Anybody for a slice of JC?[/p][/quote]I agree a Christian education would be wasted on me, if it engendered an attitude such as yours. At least my education, though thankfully lacking in the narrow-minded bigotry your 'ethos' appears to have instilled, did teach me a modicum of grammar (I think you meant 'You're' - the contraction of 'You are'.) I have absolute respect for true Christians, they just seem a little thin on the ground. I believe the problem is that there are far more people who think that clocking up their church attendance for the sole purpose of gaining a place in a particular school for their 'offspring' makes them superior to people who would feel too uncomfortable to be that dishonest. I would have had no problems with a school with a Christian ethos, the extremely dedicated and, sometimes, inspirational teachers who often work in them, or the motivated and hard working pupils - it's just the element of parents with dodgy attitudes such as yours that I would be keen to avoid. Please don't bother yourself with the education of my 'offspring'. It's excellent, courtesy of a bursary, at a school that performs even better. It would seem that if you want to be really selective, the most effective means is by ability rather than hiding behind 'JC' which may very well have excluded you and your 'offspring' however self-righteous you are. Well done to the staff and pupils at Canon Slade for all their achievements, but has anyone thought of putting on some remedial classes for Gaz1262?You could start with the basics of humanity before you move him on to the teachings of Jesus Christ and, you never know, you may be able to squeeze in a bit of grammar eventually![/p][/quote]Great speech. Just goes to show how passionate the non religious types are towards the religious types when it comes to fair play. It also baffles me why so many clowns fall for a wind up. Great speech by the way!! Let yourself down with the Gammmar policing bit though. Shows a sign of weakness in an argument when you need to demonstrate that you're or is it your a smart Alec. My kids are at BS.[/p][/quote]I would normally regard comments on poor grammar as irrelevant, unnecessarily unpleasant and patronising, especially when grammar has nothing to do with the issue being discussed. I made an exception though, as you had chosen to comment on the worth of not only my education, but that of my 'offspring'. I'm not actually 'passionate towards the religious types', as I don't normally give them a second thought. Live and let live. What I do feel passionate about is social exclusion, most particularly of children.[/p][/quote]Me! I don't give a toss except for my own that is. Then again I'm loaded so whatever..........[/p][/quote]When I went to Canonslade I learned plenty about "JC" and I can assure you that this is an attitude he would not approve of. RodBlack

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