Under-10s accused of rape, burglary, theft, vandalism and assault

11:00am Monday 28th January 2013 in Local

CHILDREN under the age of 10 have been accused of committing more than 130 crimes in Bolton — including claims an eight-year-old committed a rape — in the last three years.

The figures also reveal children as young as four have reportedly vandalised cars.

Crimes reportedly committed by children in Bolton also include assault, burglary, theft, racially or religiously aggravated assault and public order offences and shoplifting.

In total there were 132 crimes said to have been committed by children under 10, according to figures obtained by The Bolton News under freedom of information laws.

The most common crime was assault, of which there were 32 reported incidents, including nine in which the victim was injured.

Next highest was damage to a vehicle, with 29 incidents, while there were 16 reports of shoplifting and 15 of racially or religiously aggravated public order offences.

Police say some of these incidents are “very minor”, but figures look high because of how offences are recorded.

Children under 10 are not criminally responsible in the eyes of the law, and cannot be prosecuted.

Det Insp Michael Sanderson, who works in Bolton’s public protection investigation unit dealing with child protection and sexual crimes, said: “We work with social services and help to educate them and the parents.

“It could be that children are behaving inappropriately because of something they have been exposed to at home.

“These children could be from neglectful backgrounds and are victims themselves.”

He said minor offences which would not have been recorded in the past are now logged.

Det Insp Sanderson said: “Two children aged six could push each other in the playground — that would be recorded as a crime.

“So figures may look high but actually it is no different — just being recorded differently.”

Bolton Council’s social services department can become involved to support families if it is thought problems at home may be at the root of a child’s criminal behaviour.

A council spokesman said: “Depending upon the needs of the child, the police or the courts can refer them to the council, which assesses the child and family and decides what actions are necessary.

“We work closely with partner organisations to support the children and their families using a wide range of initiatives which aim to reduce the likelihood of reoffending.”

The Howard League for Penal Reform is a national charity campaigning for less crime, safer communities and fewer people in prison.

It wants to raise the minimum age of criminal responsibility and ensure that society engages with the child behind the crime.

Campaign director Andrew Neilson said: “These figures are obviously of concern. But we should keep in perspective that numbers alone perhaps do not reflect what may be very minor misdemeanours by small children, who know no better, where the police have become involved most likely because they have happened in public.

“If small children are finding themselves in contact with the criminal justice system, particularly in the most serious cases, it is important that we do not see this as a crime but as the welfare issue that it almost certainly is.

“It should be an opportunity for children’s services and other relevant agencies to engage in finding out whether there are underlying problems.”

Comments (23)

9:28am Mon 28 Jan 13

exiled says...

If things couldn't get any worse, they just did by including the Council Social Services Dept...no alternative at this time.
If things couldn't get any worse, they just did by including the Council Social Services Dept...no alternative at this time. exiled

10:26am Mon 28 Jan 13

oftbewildered2 says...

well it is not surprising seeing as they are exposed to this sort of thing on television, films and computer games etc. We might think they know it is 'only a film' or 'only a cartoon' etc., but kids might wish to emulate their heros. They are not necessarily bad at that age, but it is going to need careful handling to teach them what is and what is not acceptable behaviour.
well it is not surprising seeing as they are exposed to this sort of thing on television, films and computer games etc. We might think they know it is 'only a film' or 'only a cartoon' etc., but kids might wish to emulate their heros. They are not necessarily bad at that age, but it is going to need careful handling to teach them what is and what is not acceptable behaviour. oftbewildered2

11:59am Mon 28 Jan 13

BWFC1988 says...

oftbewildered2 wrote:
well it is not surprising seeing as they are exposed to this sort of thing on television, films and computer games etc. We might think they know it is 'only a film' or 'only a cartoon' etc., but kids might wish to emulate their heros. They are not necessarily bad at that age, but it is going to need careful handling to teach them what is and what is not acceptable behaviour.
All children fight, if people are reporting this to police, then they themselves should be prosecuted for complete stupidity and wasting of police time.
[quote][p][bold]oftbewildered2[/bold] wrote: well it is not surprising seeing as they are exposed to this sort of thing on television, films and computer games etc. We might think they know it is 'only a film' or 'only a cartoon' etc., but kids might wish to emulate their heros. They are not necessarily bad at that age, but it is going to need careful handling to teach them what is and what is not acceptable behaviour.[/p][/quote]All children fight, if people are reporting this to police, then they themselves should be prosecuted for complete stupidity and wasting of police time. BWFC1988

12:09pm Mon 28 Jan 13

chris25 says...

i dont normally agree with i blame the parents brigade but at such a young age there is something wrong with there upbringing
i dont normally agree with i blame the parents brigade but at such a young age there is something wrong with there upbringing chris25

12:29pm Mon 28 Jan 13

zoomzam says...

In Bolton usually working class ones whose language consists mainly of 'f 's' and 'b's.. Upbringing should be no excuse. We were brought up in a poor environment but we never committed rape,assaults, burglaries etc. There is no excuse. Problem is that the State provides the mothers with so much money that they keep on breeding (usually each of their child has a different father). The moment these benefits are stopped is the moment this perpetual breeding will cease. There is no other answer. The cane needs to be brought back too............if a child is capable of raping someone he should be locked up for at least 20 years....full stop!
In Bolton usually working class ones whose language consists mainly of 'f 's' and 'b's.. Upbringing should be no excuse. We were brought up in a poor environment but we never committed rape,assaults, burglaries etc. There is no excuse. Problem is that the State provides the mothers with so much money that they keep on breeding (usually each of their child has a different father). The moment these benefits are stopped is the moment this perpetual breeding will cease. There is no other answer. The cane needs to be brought back too............if a child is capable of raping someone he should be locked up for at least 20 years....full stop! zoomzam

12:38pm Mon 28 Jan 13

berushka says...

zoomzam wrote:
In Bolton usually working class ones whose language consists mainly of 'f 's' and 'b's.. Upbringing should be no excuse. We were brought up in a poor environment but we never committed rape,assaults, burglaries etc. There is no excuse. Problem is that the State provides the mothers with so much money that they keep on breeding (usually each of their child has a different father). The moment these benefits are stopped is the moment this perpetual breeding will cease. There is no other answer. The cane needs to be brought back too............if a child is capable of raping someone he should be locked up for at least 20 years....full stop!
Very sensible argument, and, regretfully, very true.
[quote][p][bold]zoomzam[/bold] wrote: In Bolton usually working class ones whose language consists mainly of 'f 's' and 'b's.. Upbringing should be no excuse. We were brought up in a poor environment but we never committed rape,assaults, burglaries etc. There is no excuse. Problem is that the State provides the mothers with so much money that they keep on breeding (usually each of their child has a different father). The moment these benefits are stopped is the moment this perpetual breeding will cease. There is no other answer. The cane needs to be brought back too............if a child is capable of raping someone he should be locked up for at least 20 years....full stop![/p][/quote]Very sensible argument, and, regretfully, very true. berushka

2:00pm Mon 28 Jan 13

boltonnut says...

Children learn very quickly,often they emulate their parents.When children wittness violence at home they take it as normal and they follow suit.It's probably the same with theft it becomes the norm aswell.Another point is the punishments NOT handed out,100 hours of communial work for beating the crap out of some one, the same for child abuse.The lack of REAL family life has a big affect too,different adults entering their lives, half siblings comming and going vieing for whatever attention they can get.I feel for these children but when in later years they become just like the people that(raised)them my feelings change.
Children learn very quickly,often they emulate their parents.When children wittness violence at home they take it as normal and they follow suit.It's probably the same with theft it becomes the norm aswell.Another point is the punishments NOT handed out,100 hours of communial work for beating the crap out of some one, the same for child abuse.The lack of REAL family life has a big affect too,different adults entering their lives, half siblings comming and going vieing for whatever attention they can get.I feel for these children but when in later years they become just like the people that(raised)them my feelings change. boltonnut

3:08pm Mon 28 Jan 13

davoovad says...

zoomzam wrote:
In Bolton usually working class ones whose language consists mainly of 'f 's' and 'b's.. Upbringing should be no excuse. We were brought up in a poor environment but we never committed rape,assaults, burglaries etc. There is no excuse. Problem is that the State provides the mothers with so much money that they keep on breeding (usually each of their child has a different father). The moment these benefits are stopped is the moment this perpetual breeding will cease. There is no other answer. The cane needs to be brought back too............if a child is capable of raping someone he should be locked up for at least 20 years....full stop!
As far as the breeding go's they're just keeping up with the Jones's or Patel's in this town.!!
[quote][p][bold]zoomzam[/bold] wrote: In Bolton usually working class ones whose language consists mainly of 'f 's' and 'b's.. Upbringing should be no excuse. We were brought up in a poor environment but we never committed rape,assaults, burglaries etc. There is no excuse. Problem is that the State provides the mothers with so much money that they keep on breeding (usually each of their child has a different father). The moment these benefits are stopped is the moment this perpetual breeding will cease. There is no other answer. The cane needs to be brought back too............if a child is capable of raping someone he should be locked up for at least 20 years....full stop![/p][/quote]As far as the breeding go's they're just keeping up with the Jones's or Patel's in this town.!! davoovad

4:19pm Mon 28 Jan 13

zoomzam says...

davoovad wrote:
zoomzam wrote:
In Bolton usually working class ones whose language consists mainly of 'f 's' and 'b's.. Upbringing should be no excuse. We were brought up in a poor environment but we never committed rape,assaults, burglaries etc. There is no excuse. Problem is that the State provides the mothers with so much money that they keep on breeding (usually each of their child has a different father). The moment these benefits are stopped is the moment this perpetual breeding will cease. There is no other answer. The cane needs to be brought back too............if a child is capable of raping someone he should be locked up for at least 20 years....full stop!
As far as the breeding go's they're just keeping up with the Jones's or Patel's in this town.!!
Not quite. Most Asian kids are instilled good moral values by both their parents and by the religious education they receive(some do go astray because the likes of yourself and Cameron want them to be free and enjoy the liberties...ie. drink,shag and puke on Fridays/Saturdays...
sadly among the real proletariat fathers go amiss frequently and hardly any have a religious education or attend Sunday Churches. (all I see on Sundays are Africans in front of Churches. To keep Christianity flourishing they are being allowed en masse to enter the UK...have no doubt about that. Check the statistics...increas
e in Church -goers and increase in African migration. Hardly any are Professionals who come on work visas. Tell me how can different fathers have any influence on children in the keep of one mother? Maybe the keeper of civilized moral values (Cameron/Blair/Obama
/whoever needs to re-**** the meaning of civilized behavior. No? There are serious problems of crime, assault/rape/thugger
y. In these Economic times in the North there are serious issues that need to be addressed. The country is broke and answers will have to be found before we are all doomed like the Greeks!
[quote][p][bold]davoovad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]zoomzam[/bold] wrote: In Bolton usually working class ones whose language consists mainly of 'f 's' and 'b's.. Upbringing should be no excuse. We were brought up in a poor environment but we never committed rape,assaults, burglaries etc. There is no excuse. Problem is that the State provides the mothers with so much money that they keep on breeding (usually each of their child has a different father). The moment these benefits are stopped is the moment this perpetual breeding will cease. There is no other answer. The cane needs to be brought back too............if a child is capable of raping someone he should be locked up for at least 20 years....full stop![/p][/quote]As far as the breeding go's they're just keeping up with the Jones's or Patel's in this town.!![/p][/quote]Not quite. Most Asian kids are instilled good moral values by both their parents and by the religious education they receive(some do go astray because the likes of yourself and Cameron want them to be free and enjoy the liberties...ie. drink,shag and puke on Fridays/Saturdays... sadly among the real proletariat fathers go amiss frequently and hardly any have a religious education or attend Sunday Churches. (all I see on Sundays are Africans in front of Churches. To keep Christianity flourishing they are being allowed en masse to enter the UK...have no doubt about that. Check the statistics...increas e in Church -goers and increase in African migration. Hardly any are Professionals who come on work visas. Tell me how can different fathers have any influence on children in the keep of one mother? Maybe the keeper of civilized moral values (Cameron/Blair/Obama /whoever needs to re-**** the meaning of civilized behavior. No? There are serious problems of crime, assault/rape/thugger y. In these Economic times in the North there are serious issues that need to be addressed. The country is broke and answers will have to be found before we are all doomed like the Greeks! zoomzam

4:20pm Mon 28 Jan 13

MarkAllRead says...

It's just a shame that Farnworth gets included in Bolton's figures, otherwise things would look a lot rosier.
It's just a shame that Farnworth gets included in Bolton's figures, otherwise things would look a lot rosier. MarkAllRead

5:02pm Mon 28 Jan 13

Sirrius7 says...

The age of Criminal Responsibility should be lowered to 8 years of age: these mini thugs know exactly what they are doing.
The age of Criminal Responsibility should be lowered to 8 years of age: these mini thugs know exactly what they are doing. Sirrius7

5:41pm Mon 28 Jan 13

davoovad says...

zoomzam wrote:
davoovad wrote:
zoomzam wrote:
In Bolton usually working class ones whose language consists mainly of 'f 's' and 'b's.. Upbringing should be no excuse. We were brought up in a poor environment but we never committed rape,assaults, burglaries etc. There is no excuse. Problem is that the State provides the mothers with so much money that they keep on breeding (usually each of their child has a different father). The moment these benefits are stopped is the moment this perpetual breeding will cease. There is no other answer. The cane needs to be brought back too............if a child is capable of raping someone he should be locked up for at least 20 years....full stop!
As far as the breeding go's they're just keeping up with the Jones's or Patel's in this town.!!
Not quite. Most Asian kids are instilled good moral values by both their parents and by the religious education they receive(some do go astray because the likes of yourself and Cameron want them to be free and enjoy the liberties...ie. drink,shag and puke on Fridays/Saturdays...

sadly among the real proletariat fathers go amiss frequently and hardly any have a religious education or attend Sunday Churches. (all I see on Sundays are Africans in front of Churches. To keep Christianity flourishing they are being allowed en masse to enter the UK...have no doubt about that. Check the statistics...increas

e in Church -goers and increase in African migration. Hardly any are Professionals who come on work visas. Tell me how can different fathers have any influence on children in the keep of one mother? Maybe the keeper of civilized moral values (Cameron/Blair/Obama

/whoever needs to re-**** the meaning of civilized behavior. No? There are serious problems of crime, assault/rape/thugger

y. In these Economic times in the North there are serious issues that need to be addressed. The country is broke and answers will have to be found before we are all doomed like the Greeks!
If you don't like what Cameron is pushing regarding being free and having a life other than being brainwashed in the mosque then go and live where this kind of lifestyle is not an issue i.e. a muslim country and stop trying to turn England into one.
[quote][p][bold]zoomzam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]davoovad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]zoomzam[/bold] wrote: In Bolton usually working class ones whose language consists mainly of 'f 's' and 'b's.. Upbringing should be no excuse. We were brought up in a poor environment but we never committed rape,assaults, burglaries etc. There is no excuse. Problem is that the State provides the mothers with so much money that they keep on breeding (usually each of their child has a different father). The moment these benefits are stopped is the moment this perpetual breeding will cease. There is no other answer. The cane needs to be brought back too............if a child is capable of raping someone he should be locked up for at least 20 years....full stop![/p][/quote]As far as the breeding go's they're just keeping up with the Jones's or Patel's in this town.!![/p][/quote]Not quite. Most Asian kids are instilled good moral values by both their parents and by the religious education they receive(some do go astray because the likes of yourself and Cameron want them to be free and enjoy the liberties...ie. drink,shag and puke on Fridays/Saturdays... sadly among the real proletariat fathers go amiss frequently and hardly any have a religious education or attend Sunday Churches. (all I see on Sundays are Africans in front of Churches. To keep Christianity flourishing they are being allowed en masse to enter the UK...have no doubt about that. Check the statistics...increas e in Church -goers and increase in African migration. Hardly any are Professionals who come on work visas. Tell me how can different fathers have any influence on children in the keep of one mother? Maybe the keeper of civilized moral values (Cameron/Blair/Obama /whoever needs to re-**** the meaning of civilized behavior. No? There are serious problems of crime, assault/rape/thugger y. In these Economic times in the North there are serious issues that need to be addressed. The country is broke and answers will have to be found before we are all doomed like the Greeks![/p][/quote]If you don't like what Cameron is pushing regarding being free and having a life other than being brainwashed in the mosque then go and live where this kind of lifestyle is not an issue i.e. a muslim country and stop trying to turn England into one. davoovad

5:42pm Mon 28 Jan 13

Janch1 says...

zoomzam wrote:
In Bolton usually working class ones whose language consists mainly of 'f 's' and 'b's.. Upbringing should be no excuse. We were brought up in a poor environment but we never committed rape,assaults, burglaries etc. There is no excuse. Problem is that the State provides the mothers with so much money that they keep on breeding (usually each of their child has a different father). The moment these benefits are stopped is the moment this perpetual breeding will cease. There is no other answer. The cane needs to be brought back too............if a child is capable of raping someone he should be locked up for at least 20 years....full stop!
Well said. I could not agree more.
[quote][p][bold]zoomzam[/bold] wrote: In Bolton usually working class ones whose language consists mainly of 'f 's' and 'b's.. Upbringing should be no excuse. We were brought up in a poor environment but we never committed rape,assaults, burglaries etc. There is no excuse. Problem is that the State provides the mothers with so much money that they keep on breeding (usually each of their child has a different father). The moment these benefits are stopped is the moment this perpetual breeding will cease. There is no other answer. The cane needs to be brought back too............if a child is capable of raping someone he should be locked up for at least 20 years....full stop![/p][/quote]Well said. I could not agree more. Janch1

5:44pm Mon 28 Jan 13

davoovad says...

MarkAllRead wrote:
It's just a shame that Farnworth gets included in Bolton's figures, otherwise things would look a lot rosier.
Yeah allright, is there a nice part of Farnworth i don't know about ?
[quote][p][bold]MarkAllRead[/bold] wrote: It's just a shame that Farnworth gets included in Bolton's figures, otherwise things would look a lot rosier.[/p][/quote]Yeah allright, is there a nice part of Farnworth i don't know about ? davoovad

9:20pm Mon 28 Jan 13

colournature says...

i blame the parents as usual - i used to work in a shop and i heard verbal abuse to young children by their parents at very early ages - the parents were coming into the shop with tattoes on their arms buying cigs , beer and scratch cards with their benefits and having very little by the way of language skills it would be ' have you not gone none of them ' ect and they would tell their children to f....ing shut up if they made a noise

i was abused when i refused to serve people who didnt look old enough and then their PARENTS would come in hurning abuse at me too --- so i left

education --- lack of
i blame the parents as usual - i used to work in a shop and i heard verbal abuse to young children by their parents at very early ages - the parents were coming into the shop with tattoes on their arms buying cigs , beer and scratch cards with their benefits and having very little by the way of language skills it would be ' have you not gone none of them ' ect and they would tell their children to f....ing shut up if they made a noise i was abused when i refused to serve people who didnt look old enough and then their PARENTS would come in hurning abuse at me too --- so i left education --- lack of colournature

2:15am Tue 29 Jan 13

Andyroost says...

CHILDREN LEARN WHAT THEY LIVE.


If children live with criticism, they learn to condemn.
If children live with hostility, they learn to fight.
If children live with fear, they learn to be apprehensive.
If children live with pity, they learn to feel sorry for themselves.
If children live with ridicule, they learn to feel shy.
If children live with jealousy, they learn to feel envy.
If children live with shame, they learn to feel guilty.
If children live with encouragement, they learn confidence.
If children live with tolerance, they learn patience.
If children live with praise, they learn appreciation.
If children live with acceptance, they learn to love.
If children live with approval, they learn to like themselves.
If children live with recognition, they learn it is good to have a goal.
If children live with sharing, they learn generosity.
If children live with honesty, they learn truthfulness.
If children live with fairness, they learn justice.
If children live with kindness and consideration, they learn respect.
If children live with security, they learn to have faith in themselves and in those about them.
If children live with friendliness, they learn the world is a nice place in which to live.
CHILDREN LEARN WHAT THEY LIVE. If children live with criticism, they learn to condemn. If children live with hostility, they learn to fight. If children live with fear, they learn to be apprehensive. If children live with pity, they learn to feel sorry for themselves. If children live with ridicule, they learn to feel shy. If children live with jealousy, they learn to feel envy. If children live with shame, they learn to feel guilty. If children live with encouragement, they learn confidence. If children live with tolerance, they learn patience. If children live with praise, they learn appreciation. If children live with acceptance, they learn to love. If children live with approval, they learn to like themselves. If children live with recognition, they learn it is good to have a goal. If children live with sharing, they learn generosity. If children live with honesty, they learn truthfulness. If children live with fairness, they learn justice. If children live with kindness and consideration, they learn respect. If children live with security, they learn to have faith in themselves and in those about them. If children live with friendliness, they learn the world is a nice place in which to live. Andyroost

8:55am Tue 29 Jan 13

Hough64 says...

colournature wrote:
i blame the parents as usual - i used to work in a shop and i heard verbal abuse to young children by their parents at very early ages - the parents were coming into the shop with tattoes on their arms buying cigs , beer and scratch cards with their benefits and having very little by the way of language skills it would be ' have you not gone none of them ' ect and they would tell their children to f....ing shut up if they made a noise i was abused when i refused to serve people who didnt look old enough and then their PARENTS would come in hurning abuse at me too --- so i left education --- lack of
What does hurning mean? Is it a new word?
[quote][p][bold]colournature[/bold] wrote: i blame the parents as usual - i used to work in a shop and i heard verbal abuse to young children by their parents at very early ages - the parents were coming into the shop with tattoes on their arms buying cigs , beer and scratch cards with their benefits and having very little by the way of language skills it would be ' have you not gone none of them ' ect and they would tell their children to f....ing shut up if they made a noise i was abused when i refused to serve people who didnt look old enough and then their PARENTS would come in hurning abuse at me too --- so i left education --- lack of[/p][/quote]What does hurning mean? Is it a new word? Hough64

9:36am Tue 29 Jan 13

oftbewildered2 says...

BWFC1988 wrote:
oftbewildered2 wrote:
well it is not surprising seeing as they are exposed to this sort of thing on television, films and computer games etc. We might think they know it is 'only a film' or 'only a cartoon' etc., but kids might wish to emulate their heros. They are not necessarily bad at that age, but it is going to need careful handling to teach them what is and what is not acceptable behaviour.
All children fight, if people are reporting this to police, then they themselves should be prosecuted for complete stupidity and wasting of police time.
agree entirely
[quote][p][bold]BWFC1988[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oftbewildered2[/bold] wrote: well it is not surprising seeing as they are exposed to this sort of thing on television, films and computer games etc. We might think they know it is 'only a film' or 'only a cartoon' etc., but kids might wish to emulate their heros. They are not necessarily bad at that age, but it is going to need careful handling to teach them what is and what is not acceptable behaviour.[/p][/quote]All children fight, if people are reporting this to police, then they themselves should be prosecuted for complete stupidity and wasting of police time.[/p][/quote]agree entirely oftbewildered2

10:39am Tue 29 Jan 13

zoomzam says...

davoovad wrote:
zoomzam wrote:
davoovad wrote:
zoomzam wrote:
In Bolton usually working class ones whose language consists mainly of 'f 's' and 'b's.. Upbringing should be no excuse. We were brought up in a poor environment but we never committed rape,assaults, burglaries etc. There is no excuse. Problem is that the State provides the mothers with so much money that they keep on breeding (usually each of their child has a different father). The moment these benefits are stopped is the moment this perpetual breeding will cease. There is no other answer. The cane needs to be brought back too............if a child is capable of raping someone he should be locked up for at least 20 years....full stop!
As far as the breeding go's they're just keeping up with the Jones's or Patel's in this town.!!
Not quite. Most Asian kids are instilled good moral values by both their parents and by the religious education they receive(some do go astray because the likes of yourself and Cameron want them to be free and enjoy the liberties...ie. drink,shag and puke on Fridays/Saturdays...


sadly among the real proletariat fathers go amiss frequently and hardly any have a religious education or attend Sunday Churches. (all I see on Sundays are Africans in front of Churches. To keep Christianity flourishing they are being allowed en masse to enter the UK...have no doubt about that. Check the statistics...increas


e in Church -goers and increase in African migration. Hardly any are Professionals who come on work visas. Tell me how can different fathers have any influence on children in the keep of one mother? Maybe the keeper of civilized moral values (Cameron/Blair/Obama


/whoever needs to re-**** the meaning of civilized behavior. No? There are serious problems of crime, assault/rape/thugger


y. In these Economic times in the North there are serious issues that need to be addressed. The country is broke and answers will have to be found before we are all doomed like the Greeks!
If you don't like what Cameron is pushing regarding being free and having a life other than being brainwashed in the mosque then go and live where this kind of lifestyle is not an issue i.e. a muslim country and stop trying to turn England into one.
As usual there is the "if you don't like our values/customs/Camer
on you can get out of this country attitude". Wish some of these who advocate such attitudes would try and realise that Asians have good values and morals from which the indigenous people can learn from. Instead of talking about Mosques and places like that in a negative sense you need to learn about family values, educating children, teaching them respect...all these are taught by Asian parents and religious teachers at Mosques and Temples. Sure, some Asian kids have been influenced by drugs and alcohol. Some grow up and commit fraud. But these things are not common practices. There is good and bad in everyone and in every race. But when someone tries to tell me that binge drinking is part of a culture...you can keep it! If you talk about places of historical interest like Museums or about good English cuisine or supporting local football teams or reading Shakespeare...then you are talking. You cannot just dismiss the religion of Islam as an evil. Contrary to what you read in the media...it is a religion of peace. It is the fastest growing religion in the World.If it is not for Muslim countries in the Middle East buying UK products do you realise that thousands of jobs would go in places like BAE? What some want is have a Little Englander attitude. The World is increasingly globalized. Migrants will cross borders. You need to trade with all. You need to live with all types of races.You need to realise that in 50 years time there will be a massive "coloured" (mixed race) population in the UK. You cannot isolate yourself. Those days are gone. Learn to be tolerant. We need to learn from each other.And soon Romanians and Bulgarians will come.........
[quote][p][bold]davoovad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]zoomzam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]davoovad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]zoomzam[/bold] wrote: In Bolton usually working class ones whose language consists mainly of 'f 's' and 'b's.. Upbringing should be no excuse. We were brought up in a poor environment but we never committed rape,assaults, burglaries etc. There is no excuse. Problem is that the State provides the mothers with so much money that they keep on breeding (usually each of their child has a different father). The moment these benefits are stopped is the moment this perpetual breeding will cease. There is no other answer. The cane needs to be brought back too............if a child is capable of raping someone he should be locked up for at least 20 years....full stop![/p][/quote]As far as the breeding go's they're just keeping up with the Jones's or Patel's in this town.!![/p][/quote]Not quite. Most Asian kids are instilled good moral values by both their parents and by the religious education they receive(some do go astray because the likes of yourself and Cameron want them to be free and enjoy the liberties...ie. drink,shag and puke on Fridays/Saturdays... sadly among the real proletariat fathers go amiss frequently and hardly any have a religious education or attend Sunday Churches. (all I see on Sundays are Africans in front of Churches. To keep Christianity flourishing they are being allowed en masse to enter the UK...have no doubt about that. Check the statistics...increas e in Church -goers and increase in African migration. Hardly any are Professionals who come on work visas. Tell me how can different fathers have any influence on children in the keep of one mother? Maybe the keeper of civilized moral values (Cameron/Blair/Obama /whoever needs to re-**** the meaning of civilized behavior. No? There are serious problems of crime, assault/rape/thugger y. In these Economic times in the North there are serious issues that need to be addressed. The country is broke and answers will have to be found before we are all doomed like the Greeks![/p][/quote]If you don't like what Cameron is pushing regarding being free and having a life other than being brainwashed in the mosque then go and live where this kind of lifestyle is not an issue i.e. a muslim country and stop trying to turn England into one.[/p][/quote]As usual there is the "if you don't like our values/customs/Camer on you can get out of this country attitude". Wish some of these who advocate such attitudes would try and realise that Asians have good values and morals from which the indigenous people can learn from. Instead of talking about Mosques and places like that in a negative sense you need to learn about family values, educating children, teaching them respect...all these are taught by Asian parents and religious teachers at Mosques and Temples. Sure, some Asian kids have been influenced by drugs and alcohol. Some grow up and commit fraud. But these things are not common practices. There is good and bad in everyone and in every race. But when someone tries to tell me that binge drinking is part of a culture...you can keep it! If you talk about places of historical interest like Museums or about good English cuisine or supporting local football teams or reading Shakespeare...then you are talking. You cannot just dismiss the religion of Islam as an evil. Contrary to what you read in the media...it is a religion of peace. It is the fastest growing religion in the World.If it is not for Muslim countries in the Middle East buying UK products do you realise that thousands of jobs would go in places like BAE? What some want is have a Little Englander attitude. The World is increasingly globalized. Migrants will cross borders. You need to trade with all. You need to live with all types of races.You need to realise that in 50 years time there will be a massive "coloured" (mixed race) population in the UK. You cannot isolate yourself. Those days are gone. Learn to be tolerant. We need to learn from each other.And soon Romanians and Bulgarians will come......... zoomzam

3:48pm Tue 29 Jan 13

davoovad says...

Ha, commiting fraud isn't common practice ? a quater of the prison population is made up of muslim fraudsters and i know a lot of asians and a high percentage are up to some dodgy deal or another, i think you should sort yourselves out before you start preaching about how morally superior you are.
You are wrong about the in 50 years time scenario as well, there will be a civil war long before then and you people will do very badly...i'd think about going back to your mother country if i were you.!
Ha, commiting fraud isn't common practice ? a quater of the prison population is made up of muslim fraudsters and i know a lot of asians and a high percentage are up to some dodgy deal or another, i think you should sort yourselves out before you start preaching about how morally superior you are. You are wrong about the in 50 years time scenario as well, there will be a civil war long before then and you people will do very badly...i'd think about going back to your mother country if i were you.! davoovad

4:28pm Tue 29 Jan 13

zoomzam says...

davoovad wrote:
Ha, commiting fraud isn't common practice ? a quater of the prison population is made up of muslim fraudsters and i know a lot of asians and a high percentage are up to some dodgy deal or another, i think you should sort yourselves out before you start preaching about how morally superior you are.
You are wrong about the in 50 years time scenario as well, there will be a civil war long before then and you people will do very badly...i'd think about going back to your mother country if i were you.!
Thugs like you are preparing for such an outcome. We see your kind at EDL Marches...scumbags we call them. This country has more sensible people than you!
[quote][p][bold]davoovad[/bold] wrote: Ha, commiting fraud isn't common practice ? a quater of the prison population is made up of muslim fraudsters and i know a lot of asians and a high percentage are up to some dodgy deal or another, i think you should sort yourselves out before you start preaching about how morally superior you are. You are wrong about the in 50 years time scenario as well, there will be a civil war long before then and you people will do very badly...i'd think about going back to your mother country if i were you.![/p][/quote]Thugs like you are preparing for such an outcome. We see your kind at EDL Marches...scumbags we call them. This country has more sensible people than you! zoomzam

4:59pm Tue 29 Jan 13

Andyroost says...

hang on, where did the ones in rochdale and blackburn running child prostitution ring originate from, you have a short memory saying your tribes have morals
hang on, where did the ones in rochdale and blackburn running child prostitution ring originate from, you have a short memory saying your tribes have morals Andyroost

5:46pm Tue 29 Jan 13

davoovad says...

zoomzam wrote:
davoovad wrote:
Ha, commiting fraud isn't common practice ? a quater of the prison population is made up of muslim fraudsters and i know a lot of asians and a high percentage are up to some dodgy deal or another, i think you should sort yourselves out before you start preaching about how morally superior you are.
You are wrong about the in 50 years time scenario as well, there will be a civil war long before then and you people will do very badly...i'd think about going back to your mother country if i were you.!
Thugs like you are preparing for such an outcome. We see your kind at EDL Marches...scumbags we call them. This country has more sensible people than you!
Say what you like, it's going to happen and you can call me a racist scumbag as much as you like i dont care, YOU are not fit to lace my boots !
[quote][p][bold]zoomzam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]davoovad[/bold] wrote: Ha, commiting fraud isn't common practice ? a quater of the prison population is made up of muslim fraudsters and i know a lot of asians and a high percentage are up to some dodgy deal or another, i think you should sort yourselves out before you start preaching about how morally superior you are. You are wrong about the in 50 years time scenario as well, there will be a civil war long before then and you people will do very badly...i'd think about going back to your mother country if i were you.![/p][/quote]Thugs like you are preparing for such an outcome. We see your kind at EDL Marches...scumbags we call them. This country has more sensible people than you![/p][/quote]Say what you like, it's going to happen and you can call me a racist scumbag as much as you like i dont care, YOU are not fit to lace my boots ! davoovad

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