Former JP spared jail for fiddling expenses (From The Bolton News)

One rule for one !!! This is just another example of our screwed up legal system. Had this crime been committed by a non magistrate they would have thrown the book at him, this guy should have been locked up - and for longer than the 8 months suspended handed out, especially as he was serving the public in a legal capacity. Check out previous similar cases brought to Court and You'll see that the majority of cases have resulted in imprisonment. This is just laughable and a reflection of our "us and them" society

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I rather thought/hoped that they might have chose to have made an example of this chap.
How foolish of me?!

The "Old Boy Network" no wonder the justice system in this country is useless. I've always said that we live in a lawless land. Here is the proof, yet again.

I agree that he should be made an example of, however, is age and state health have to be taken into account in any sentensing. Also he has to repay the money, if sent to prision he would not.

So far from being leanient it a harsh sentence.

Same old,same old,ho hum.

Laughable, totally and utterly laughable. I've stated all along he wouldn't be sent to clink. Play the dodgy health ticket and it always seems to work. If I were in charge, he'd be paying back at least double.

Age and health should not come in to it. He's a fraudster, conman and 100% totally untrustworthy. Lynch him!

This country is a global joke.

this is an outrage.

If you enforce the Law, you should uphold it. Shame on his colleagues for letting this slip. If they can jail a pensioner for non-payment of Council Tax, surely this THIEF should be looking on the world through a barred window today.

looks like that type all pee in the same pot.

DaveLister wrote:
I agree that he should be made an example of, however, is age and state health have to be taken into account in any sentensing. Also he has to repay the money, if sent to prision he would not.

So far from being leanient it a harsh sentence.

So simply paying back your ill gotten gains is a "harsh sentence" how exactly? I'm not having a go or owt, Dave, I just don't know how you've arrived at that.
You honestly make this crook's course of action out to sound like a near foolproof pension plan.

I, Ludicrous wrote:

DaveLister wrote:
I agree that he should be made an example of, however, is age and state health have to be taken into account in any sentensing. Also he has to repay the money, if sent to prision he would not.

So far from being leanient it a harsh sentence.

So simply paying back your ill gotten gains is a "harsh sentence" how exactly? I'm not having a go or owt, Dave, I just don't know how you've arrived at that.
You honestly make this crook's course of action out to sound like a near foolproof pension plan.

Just because the Bolton News have printed all what they have you make a judgment on this guy for that?? I actually know of this guy and what the Bolton News has printed over the past months is not the truth. There are a lot that this reporter has missed out in this article which would of helped you understand the reasons behind the judges decision not to put him behind bars. If the Bolton News printed what they should of printed you would not have been commenting like you have been doing.
So the moral of the story is, before you go shouting your mouth off, find out the truth and DO NOT believe what you read!!

bwfc54321 wrote:

I, Ludicrous wrote:

DaveLister wrote:
I agree that he should be made an example of, however, is age and state health have to be taken into account in any sentensing. Also he has to repay the money, if sent to prision he would not.

So far from being leanient it a harsh sentence.

So simply paying back your ill gotten gains is a "harsh sentence" how exactly? I'm not having a go or owt, Dave, I just don't know how you've arrived at that.
You honestly make this crook's course of action out to sound like a near foolproof pension plan.

Just because the Bolton News have printed all what they have you make a judgment on this guy for that?? I actually know of this guy and what the Bolton News has printed over the past months is not the truth. There are a lot that this reporter has missed out in this article which would of helped you understand the reasons behind the judges decision not to put him behind bars. If the Bolton News printed what they should of printed you would not have been commenting like you have been doing.
So the moral of the story is, before you go shouting your mouth off, find out the truth and DO NOT believe what you read!!

Sorry do not believe what you read? Does that mean I don't believe that this man fiddled his expenses? I believe the fact that he was found guilty and has said he will pay the ill gotten gains back within 2 months prove I am right to believe what is printed. Yes I agree that the whole truth is not always shown, however this man should have gone to prison as anyone else would have. Also in the case of fraud, the offender is usually required to repay the amounts taken even if they go to prison. #sorry mate, perhaps you have fallen into the same trap as many friends of friends do. Believe the offender because he says he didn't do it. Where would justice be then if everyone that said they didn't do it was innocent?

magic dragon wrote:

bwfc54321 wrote:

I, Ludicrous wrote:

DaveLister wrote:
I agree that he should be made an example of, however, is age and state health have to be taken into account in any sentensing. Also he has to repay the money, if sent to prision he would not.

So far from being leanient it a harsh sentence.

So simply paying back your ill gotten gains is a "harsh sentence" how exactly? I'm not having a go or owt, Dave, I just don't know how you've arrived at that.
You honestly make this crook's course of action out to sound like a near foolproof pension plan.

Just because the Bolton News have printed all what they have you make a judgment on this guy for that?? I actually know of this guy and what the Bolton News has printed over the past months is not the truth. There are a lot that this reporter has missed out in this article which would of helped you understand the reasons behind the judges decision not to put him behind bars. If the Bolton News printed what they should of printed you would not have been commenting like you have been doing.
So the moral of the story is, before you go shouting your mouth off, find out the truth and DO NOT believe what you read!!

Sorry do not believe what you read? Does that mean I don't believe that this man fiddled his expenses? I believe the fact that he was found guilty and has said he will pay the ill gotten gains back within 2 months prove I am right to believe what is printed. Yes I agree that the whole truth is not always shown, however this man should have gone to prison as anyone else would have. Also in the case of fraud, the offender is usually required to repay the amounts taken even if they go to prison. #sorry mate, perhaps you have fallen into the same trap as many friends of friends do. Believe the offender because he says he didn't do it. Where would justice be then if everyone that said they didn't do it was innocent?

No I am not saying anything like that, what I am saying is that there is a hell of a lot more to this than what has been printed and believe me my friend your opinion of this man would change if you knew. If what has been printed was correct I would be of the same opinion as you whether I knew him or not mark my words but it's not and that's all I can say on the matter which is very frustrating.
Do you actually think that this man set out to be a magistrate to earn £'s?? Being a JP is a voluntary thing not a paid job but they get expenses, which are very very unclear as to what/who can claim and when. As per previous articles in this god forsaken newspaper he has been a JP since 2000 hasn't he?? Well I'm sorry if he has been wrongly claiming expenses why on earth was this not picked up with his 1st expense sheet back then?? Why has it taken them nearly 13 yrs to decide this man is/has been claiming wrong??
As to why he isn't in prison as we speak, when judges do their summing up of a case they look at all kinds. This is a guy who has worked all his life, hasnt so much got a parking ticket against his name or his family. A lot of the time fraudsters/criminals have previous convictions therefore would be straight behind bars should they do anything again. This man as above has nothing, worked all his life, paid all his taxes and was even a JP who I must add would not of been given that title if he was a fraudster/criminal.
But all I am saying is before you pass judgement you should know the truth. But to be fair to your goodself this nonsense of a newspaper is all you've got to go on.

BWFC54321

I applaud your support for your friend, however if he is so wronged, I am assuming he will be appealing his conviction and sentence? No? Enough said. After all as an ex JP he will know his rights and the fact that he has no previous convictions does not excuse his behaviour in this instance. He may have been the pillar of the Community you say he is, or he may just not have been caught before. Whatever, he deserves to be treated the same as any other Offender by the Courts.

magic dragon wrote:
BWFC54321

I applaud your support for your friend, however if he is so wronged, I am assuming he will be appealing his conviction and sentence? No? Enough said. After all as an ex JP he will know his rights and the fact that he has no previous convictions does not excuse his behaviour in this instance. He may have been the pillar of the Community you say he is, or he may just not have been caught before. Whatever, he deserves to be treated the same as any other Offender by the Courts.

He has been, just search on google and you will find that people have done a lot worse and got a lot less.

your only person who defending his corner, one rule for one, one for another ,unreal , wasnt any point him going court really was there, he would known the drill upfront before hand, its no wonder the country has and is going downhill rapid , would been on a good pay role as it was, greed pure greed, yet honest people who scratch at surving ,work for peanuts,struggle keeping roof over heads,bills ect, who get red letters coz struggling in the REAL WORLD, get took court, and book thrown at them ,for being innocent and honest, wtf ... and some1 like him just coz of past tenth job role ,fiddles the **** and gets tickled with a feather duster ... by way we all can play on depression such an easy game to play and get a sick note off work, jeez mate live a life in boots of some real honest people who have hell in there lives .

leesa marie wrote:
your only person who defending his corner, one rule for one, one for another ,unreal , wasnt any point him going court really was there, he would known the drill upfront before hand, its no wonder the country has and is going downhill rapid , would been on a good pay role as it was, greed pure greed, yet honest people who scratch at surving ,work for peanuts,struggle keeping roof over heads,bills ect, who get red letters coz struggling in the REAL WORLD, get took court, and book thrown at them ,for being innocent and honest, wtf ... and some1 like him just coz of past tenth job role ,fiddles the **** and gets tickled with a feather duster ... by way we all can play on depression such an easy game to play and get a sick note off work, jeez mate live a life in boots of some real honest people who have hell in there lives .

I do live in the real world. If you knew the truth you would not be commenting like you are. He got treated fairly, if he didn't then the judge would be in court wouldn't he you clown, obviously the sentence he gave was within the law. Think about it for gods sake. And for the record being a magistrate isn't a paid job, they only get out of pocket expenses which the above man was told he could claim when he started, the man who sanctioned this has since denied it obviously not wanting to land himself in bother. It has taken them 12/13 years to work out that he wasn't allowed to claim. So really the blame lies with the court itself for not picking up this back in 2000. Although iv heard people have since lost their jobs for not doing the jobs which doesn't help this man or anyone else for that matter.
How do you know this guy doesn't suffer from depression?? How can you comment if you DONT KNOW??????
And how do you know I don't live in the real world, iv had nothing and to be honest still have nothing, I'm not well off but I cope, I work **** hard to put food on the table and clothes on my wife and kids backs so don't start ballooning at me saying I don't live in the real world. It's not my fault not is it Mr Jansons fault you are struggling to pay your bills love.

bwfc54321 wrote:

leesa marie wrote:
your only person who defending his corner, one rule for one, one for another ,unreal , wasnt any point him going court really was there, he would known the drill upfront before hand, its no wonder the country has and is going downhill rapid , would been on a good pay role as it was, greed pure greed, yet honest people who scratch at surving ,work for peanuts,struggle keeping roof over heads,bills ect, who get red letters coz struggling in the REAL WORLD, get took court, and book thrown at them ,for being innocent and honest, wtf ... and some1 like him just coz of past tenth job role ,fiddles the **** and gets tickled with a feather duster ... by way we all can play on depression such an easy game to play and get a sick note off work, jeez mate live a life in boots of some real honest people who have hell in there lives .

I do live in the real world. If you knew the truth you would not be commenting like you are. He got treated fairly, if he didn't then the judge would be in court wouldn't he you clown, obviously the sentence he gave was within the law. Think about it for gods sake. And for the record being a magistrate isn't a paid job, they only get out of pocket expenses which the above man was told he could claim when he started, the man who sanctioned this has since denied it obviously not wanting to land himself in bother. It has taken them 12/13 years to work out that he wasn't allowed to claim. So really the blame lies with the court itself for not picking up this back in 2000. Although iv heard people have since lost their jobs for not doing the jobs which doesn't help this man or anyone else for that matter.
How do you know this guy doesn't suffer from depression?? How can you comment if you DONT KNOW??????
And how do you know I don't live in the real world, iv had nothing and to be honest still have nothing, I'm not well off but I cope, I work **** hard to put food on the table and clothes on my wife and kids backs so don't start ballooning at me saying I don't live in the real world. It's not my fault not is it Mr Jansons fault you are struggling to pay your bills love.

You really have just lost any credability you had posting this nonsense. The man is a convicted fraudster, nowt else and you should be aware that most criminals defence teams always search for the heart string tugging bad health to hep mitigate what they are guilty of in much the same way the bloke with a sawn off who has a record as long as your arm for crime is always a devoted father, loving husband/partner, pillar of the community!

i bet he is laughing all the way to the cons club with all is pals.

This old guy is a con artist who should be in jail. If his health is poor I am sure they could find him some light work to do.

He is a thief, end if story, because of his position he should have been jailed.

Either way, whatever us "no marks" say it won't change anything!!
As iv previously stated, the judge who sentence this man MUST of been well within the LAW NOT to send him to prison otherwise he'd be in court himself wouldn't he?? Think about it for gods sake.....

bwfc54321 wrote:
Either way, whatever us "no marks" say it won't change anything!!
As iv previously stated, the judge who sentence this man MUST of been well within the LAW NOT to send him to prison otherwise he'd be in court himself wouldn't he?? Think about it for gods sake.....

I think you seriously under estimate the powers of judges when a guilty verdict has been passed my friend.

hoboh2o wrote:

bwfc54321 wrote:
Either way, whatever us "no marks" say it won't change anything!!
As iv previously stated, the judge who sentence this man MUST of been well within the LAW NOT to send him to prison otherwise he'd be in court himself wouldn't he?? Think about it for gods sake.....

I think you seriously under estimate the powers of judges when a guilty verdict has been passed my friend.

I think you do my friend??. When sentencing Judges have guideline they have to stick to dont they within the LAW?? Therefore if giving this man a suspended sentence wasn't in the guidelines the judge himself would now be in bother?? Is that clear enough for you????
Dear oh dear....

he should have got sent down,end of story for me.