Nearly 2,000 viewers are caught watching TV without a licence

1:00pm Wednesday 20th February 2013 in Local

ALMOST 2,000 people were caught watching TV without a licence in Bolton last year.

Figures released by TV Licensing revealed that 1,900 people in Bolton had been caught without a licence in 2012, compared to 460 in Bury, more than 1,200 in Wigan and more than 900 in Blackburn.

There were 8,900 people caught watching TV without a licence across Lancashire compared to more than 18,000 in Greater Manchester.

The Bolton figure was lower than last year, with 560 fewer people being caught, which the authorities said may be to do with changes to inspectors’ visiting patterns and new enforcement campaigns.

The average evasion rate remains at a low of just above five per cent, meaning almost 95 per cent of homes are correctly licensed.

TV licensing spokesman Lucy Baird said: “The data shows evasion remains at historically low levels, with the overwhelming majority of people ensuring they are correctly licensed. In order to be fair to the law-abiding majority who do pay for their licence, we’ll continue to pursue the small minority of people do not pay.”

She said the organisation works with a number of money advice groups to help people who are struggling to afford to pay.

She added: “If people decide to watch TV without being properly licensed, they risk prosecution and a fine of up to £1,000.”

Richard Haymes, from the StepChange debt charity, said: "TV Licensing makes it easier for us to help clients keep within the law.

“We welcome the many ways to pay — this will help people on lower incomes plan and meet their TV licensing requirements and we would ask anyone experiencing difficulty with payments to contact TV Licensing so they can provide additional advice.”

A colour TV Licence currently costs £145.50 and is required by anyone watching or recording TV programmes shown on TV, whether they are using a TV set, computer, or any other equipment.

Comments (45)

10:14am Wed 20 Feb 13

steveG says...

This tax is outdated,unwarranted and should have been abolished years ago.The BBC now needs to stand on its own two feet,charge to view,by all means,but people need to be given the right to decide if this service provider is value for money.
This tax is outdated,unwarranted and should have been abolished years ago.The BBC now needs to stand on its own two feet,charge to view,by all means,but people need to be given the right to decide if this service provider is value for money. steveG

10:54am Wed 20 Feb 13

Phil from Smithills says...

The BBC is great vale for £12 per month compare that with satellite TV.
Before someone say $ky have more channels....most channels on their platform are not owned by them, they are just carriers and get paid to do so.
The BBC is great vale for £12 per month compare that with satellite TV. Before someone say $ky have more channels....most channels on their platform are not owned by them, they are just carriers and get paid to do so. Phil from Smithills

12:41pm Wed 20 Feb 13

steveG says...

Many people would agree with you Phil,many would not.
I would like to live in a democracy,if that were possible,and that would involve being allowed to choose.
I wont hold my breath.
Many people would agree with you Phil,many would not. I would like to live in a democracy,if that were possible,and that would involve being allowed to choose. I wont hold my breath. steveG

12:53pm Wed 20 Feb 13

boltonnut says...

Stop picking on these poor souls.On top of paying for cigs.,booze,drugs,ga
mbling out of their dole money they have to buy a TV licence? It's enough to make you go to the pub to watch the horse racing.
Stop picking on these poor souls.On top of paying for cigs.,booze,drugs,ga mbling out of their dole money they have to buy a TV licence? It's enough to make you go to the pub to watch the horse racing. boltonnut

2:03pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Andyroo008 says...

What about my neighbour here in Daubhill?? He does not have a up to date TV Licence & watches the television all the time. The has been no signs of any TV Licence inspecters been knocking on his door. Why????
What about my neighbour here in Daubhill?? He does not have a up to date TV Licence & watches the television all the time. The has been no signs of any TV Licence inspecters been knocking on his door. Why???? Andyroo008

2:10pm Wed 20 Feb 13

nozza77 says...

With the technology available today, surely the BBC could have a system in place where if you dont have a TV liecence they simply stop their channels from being viewed at your address?. Sky can turn your subscription off if you dont pay your bill?!? Or even better, those who do have sky/virgin/BT pay for the BBC through their package? I do agree that the TV liecence is antiquated and needs scrapping, if not, PUT SOMETHING DECENT ON!!
With the technology available today, surely the BBC could have a system in place where if you dont have a TV liecence they simply stop their channels from being viewed at your address?. Sky can turn your subscription off if you dont pay your bill?!? Or even better, those who do have sky/virgin/BT pay for the BBC through their package? I do agree that the TV liecence is antiquated and needs scrapping, if not, PUT SOMETHING DECENT ON!! nozza77

2:19pm Wed 20 Feb 13

wsw69 says...

Bolton News - Can you please publish FACTS. In your closing paragraph you state:- "A colour TV Licence currently costs £145.50 and is required by anyone watching or recording TV programmes shown on TV, whether they are using a TV set, computer, or any other equipment. "

To be 100% factually correct, that paragraph should read:- A colour TV Licence currently costs £145.50 and is required by anyone watching or recording TV programmes AS THEY ARE BROADCAST on TV, whether they are using a TV set, computer, or any other equipment.

Neither must someone record a TV programme as it is broadcast without a licence.

A TVL IS NOT REQUIRED if a person is watching pre-recorded material, catch-up - eg: BBC iPlayer, 4OD etc etc, DVD, Video (remember those).

I have battled, and won, TV Licensing for EIGHT years with their grossly incorrect bully boy material they post out. It's a revenue collection exercise, and believe me they aren't bothered how, or what tactics and BS they use to get their money.
Bolton News - Can you please publish FACTS. In your closing paragraph you state:- "A colour TV Licence currently costs £145.50 and is required by anyone watching or recording TV programmes shown on TV, whether they are using a TV set, computer, or any other equipment. " To be 100% factually correct, that paragraph should read:- A colour TV Licence currently costs £145.50 and is required by anyone watching or recording TV programmes AS THEY ARE BROADCAST on TV, whether they are using a TV set, computer, or any other equipment. Neither must someone record a TV programme as it is broadcast without a licence. A TVL IS NOT REQUIRED if a person is watching pre-recorded material, catch-up - eg: BBC iPlayer, 4OD etc etc, DVD, Video (remember those). I have battled, and won, TV Licensing for EIGHT years with their grossly incorrect bully boy material they post out. It's a revenue collection exercise, and believe me they aren't bothered how, or what tactics and BS they use to get their money. wsw69

2:33pm Wed 20 Feb 13

marco999 says...

I am probably going to get slated for this but I believe the BBC provide an excellent service for the licence fee. BBC programmes on television and the radio are consistently of a much better quality than what most of the other TV providers can offer and can stand up to close scrutiny in a global market. Look at all the wonderful programmes produced by the BBC over the decades like the Morecambe and Wise show, The royal variety shows, documentaries, news, situation comedies and so on. The BBC is an institution and an ambassador for Britain showing the rest of the world what we can provide in the way of quality entertainment. It would be a mistake to group the BBC with other television providers and make them succumb to raising revenue through advertising. It would also be a mistake to cut the licence fee altogether as this would most definitely impact upon the quality of what the corporation could produce. I most definitely do not want to watch even more trashy rubbish, punctuated with trashy advertisements on television, so long live the BBC and its licence fee.
I am probably going to get slated for this but I believe the BBC provide an excellent service for the licence fee. BBC programmes on television and the radio are consistently of a much better quality than what most of the other TV providers can offer and can stand up to close scrutiny in a global market. Look at all the wonderful programmes produced by the BBC over the decades like the Morecambe and Wise show, The royal variety shows, documentaries, news, situation comedies and so on. The BBC is an institution and an ambassador for Britain showing the rest of the world what we can provide in the way of quality entertainment. It would be a mistake to group the BBC with other television providers and make them succumb to raising revenue through advertising. It would also be a mistake to cut the licence fee altogether as this would most definitely impact upon the quality of what the corporation could produce. I most definitely do not want to watch even more trashy rubbish, punctuated with trashy advertisements on television, so long live the BBC and its licence fee. marco999

3:25pm Wed 20 Feb 13

brian jones says...

Why are these people giving the TV licensing officers the necessary evidence to prosecute them? Don't let them in. Don't sign any papers they give you.
Why are these people giving the TV licensing officers the necessary evidence to prosecute them? Don't let them in. Don't sign any papers they give you. brian jones

4:09pm Wed 20 Feb 13

limey redneck says...

surely the BBC is making plenty of money selling their shows all over the world.the BBC America channel has plenty of commercials.
surely the BBC is making plenty of money selling their shows all over the world.the BBC America channel has plenty of commercials. limey redneck

5:05pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Just Thought says...

For people who decide to watch TV without being properly licenced. Risk prosecution and up to £1000 fine. Great that for those who just dont pay but what about those who can't pay ? I suppose you can't beat a good old fine because you can't pay your TV licence of £140. So a fine of up to £1000 is going to work then.
For people who decide to watch TV without being properly licenced. Risk prosecution and up to £1000 fine. Great that for those who just dont pay but what about those who can't pay ? I suppose you can't beat a good old fine because you can't pay your TV licence of £140. So a fine of up to £1000 is going to work then. Just Thought

5:51pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Just Thought says...

For people who decide to watch TV without being properly licenced. Risk prosecution and up to £1000 fine. Great that for those who just dont pay but what about those who can't pay ? I suppose you can't beat a good old fine because you can't pay your TV licence of £140. So a fine of up to £1000 is going to work then.
For people who decide to watch TV without being properly licenced. Risk prosecution and up to £1000 fine. Great that for those who just dont pay but what about those who can't pay ? I suppose you can't beat a good old fine because you can't pay your TV licence of £140. So a fine of up to £1000 is going to work then. Just Thought

8:42pm Wed 20 Feb 13

JohnR1 says...

Strictly speaking, no-one should pay the fee because the BBC have broken the rules of their charter by not being impartial. They tow the Governbent line in all cases and only report what they are told to.
Strictly speaking, no-one should pay the fee because the BBC have broken the rules of their charter by not being impartial. They tow the Governbent line in all cases and only report what they are told to. JohnR1

8:46pm Wed 20 Feb 13

macauley says...

Andyroo008 wrote:
What about my neighbour here in Daubhill?? He does not have a up to date TV Licence & watches the television all the time. The has been no signs of any TV Licence inspecters been knocking on his door. Why????
most likely becauce of his colour and he no understand.
[quote][p][bold]Andyroo008[/bold] wrote: What about my neighbour here in Daubhill?? He does not have a up to date TV Licence & watches the television all the time. The has been no signs of any TV Licence inspecters been knocking on his door. Why????[/p][/quote]most likely becauce of his colour and he no understand. macauley

8:52pm Wed 20 Feb 13

I Burrow says...

95 percent pay in the country. Within annual fee , TVL will have factored in for the 5 percent who currently don't contribute. Not sure about big brother approach using technology to stop channels being streamed ! I am sure TVL happy with 95% and cost to recoup last 5 would cost too much. I would interested to know how many households have paid the fine in any given period !
95 percent pay in the country. Within annual fee , TVL will have factored in for the 5 percent who currently don't contribute. Not sure about big brother approach using technology to stop channels being streamed ! I am sure TVL happy with 95% and cost to recoup last 5 would cost too much. I would interested to know how many households have paid the fine in any given period ! I Burrow

9:49pm Wed 20 Feb 13

oftbewildered2 says...

the licence is not just to watch BBC programmes - the licence is 'permission to receive television broadcasts from any station and also to receive radio programmes'. Beyond that, it is difficult to comment re cost and value etc. Can't see why colour is dearer than black and white. If they dispensed with the TV licence then we would be hit with one third of our viewing being advertising - yuk!!!!
the licence is not just to watch BBC programmes - the licence is 'permission to receive television broadcasts from any station and also to receive radio programmes'. Beyond that, it is difficult to comment re cost and value etc. Can't see why colour is dearer than black and white. If they dispensed with the TV licence then we would be hit with one third of our viewing being advertising - yuk!!!! oftbewildered2

10:02pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Kelly Welly says...

He who does not know his rights has none!

Stop being sheep and feeding into this system. If you choose to watch the mind control box then don't you think that you paid enough already for your telly? Never mind the cost of electricity used to watch it! If you get a knock at the door don't answer it or if you do then don't say anything and close the door. If you get a letter, don't open it! Write "return to sender, no contract" on the letter and post it. I don't watch telly but I know loads of people who do but don't pay the licence because you simply don't have to... if you know your rights ;)
He who does not know his rights has none! Stop being sheep and feeding into this system. If you choose to watch the mind control box then don't you think that you paid enough already for your telly? Never mind the cost of electricity used to watch it! If you get a knock at the door don't answer it or if you do then don't say anything and close the door. If you get a letter, don't open it! Write "return to sender, no contract" on the letter and post it. I don't watch telly but I know loads of people who do but don't pay the licence because you simply don't have to... if you know your rights ;) Kelly Welly

7:59am Thu 21 Feb 13

Wigan Trotter says...

The last thing we want to see is advertising on the BBC Channels as it is bad enough on the rest.

Give me a charge of £145 per year any day.
The last thing we want to see is advertising on the BBC Channels as it is bad enough on the rest. Give me a charge of £145 per year any day. Wigan Trotter

8:23pm Thu 21 Feb 13

JustBecause says...

If you cannot afford a licence tuff you should not be watching TV, as for the total crap about not paying and there's nothing they can do, good luck with that.

Find them, fine them, take the fine from wages or benefits, job done
If you cannot afford a licence tuff you should not be watching TV, as for the total crap about not paying and there's nothing they can do, good luck with that. Find them, fine them, take the fine from wages or benefits, job done JustBecause

11:23am Fri 22 Feb 13

myfanwy7 says...

WSW69: "It's a revenue collection exercise" , just like Asda asking you to pay for a pint of milk then. Pesky companies, unwilling to let us have stuff for free...
WSW69: "It's a revenue collection exercise" , just like Asda asking you to pay for a pint of milk then. Pesky companies, unwilling to let us have stuff for free... myfanwy7

1:10pm Fri 22 Feb 13

Kelly Welly says...

JustBecause wrote:
If you cannot afford a licence tuff you should not be watching TV, as for the total crap about not paying and there's nothing they can do, good luck with that.

Find them, fine them, take the fine from wages or benefits, job done
No disrespect but you really need to take your mind away from the mainstream and do your own research. I KNOW for a fact that you really don't need to pay a TV licence! I personally know quite a number of people who watch telly and don't pay a licence, you simply don't have to if you know your rights! You just need to know what your doing. Have you any idea what activities that you are funding by paying this unnecessary 'fee'? Wake up! Are you actually aware that the elitistists and those alike who own/run these corporations are laughing at obedient slaves like yourself.
[quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: If you cannot afford a licence tuff you should not be watching TV, as for the total crap about not paying and there's nothing they can do, good luck with that. Find them, fine them, take the fine from wages or benefits, job done[/p][/quote]No disrespect but you really need to take your mind away from the mainstream and do your own research. I KNOW for a fact that you really don't need to pay a TV licence! I personally know quite a number of people who watch telly and don't pay a licence, you simply don't have to if you know your rights! You just need to know what your doing. Have you any idea what activities that you are funding by paying this unnecessary 'fee'? Wake up! Are you actually aware that the elitistists and those alike who own/run these corporations are laughing at obedient slaves like yourself. Kelly Welly

1:15pm Fri 22 Feb 13

Kelly Welly says...

myfanwy7 wrote:
WSW69: "It's a revenue collection exercise" , just like Asda asking you to pay for a pint of milk then. Pesky companies, unwilling to let us have stuff for free...
Oh ok.... Tv is like milk.....Milk is a good source of energy whereas TV drains your energy.
[quote][p][bold]myfanwy7[/bold] wrote: WSW69: "It's a revenue collection exercise" , just like Asda asking you to pay for a pint of milk then. Pesky companies, unwilling to let us have stuff for free...[/p][/quote]Oh ok.... Tv is like milk.....Milk is a good source of energy whereas TV drains your energy. Kelly Welly

1:21pm Fri 22 Feb 13

Kelly Welly says...

We all have choices in life. If you choose to be a slave, work all hours god sends, pay all these unnecessary fees then good luck. Just have a moment to reflect on your life, have a good think about how your living your life and who you are actually living it for. People are too influenced by the media circus and have too much fear (negative emotion) ie fear that if you don't pay silly things like a tv licencing fee that you'll get a fine etc.
We all have choices in life. If you choose to be a slave, work all hours god sends, pay all these unnecessary fees then good luck. Just have a moment to reflect on your life, have a good think about how your living your life and who you are actually living it for. People are too influenced by the media circus and have too much fear (negative emotion) ie fear that if you don't pay silly things like a tv licencing fee that you'll get a fine etc. Kelly Welly

8:46pm Fri 22 Feb 13

Hieronymous2 says...

myfanwy7 wrote:
WSW69: "It's a revenue collection exercise" , just like Asda asking you to pay for a pint of milk then. Pesky companies, unwilling to let us have stuff for free...
More lazy journalism!!

http://www.brassagen
cy.com/news/brass-we
lcomes-new-account-e
xecutive.aspx

As for Asda charging for a pint of milk it's rather more like Asda charging a fee for the legal right to shop in Tesco.

How surprising:

http://www.examiner.
co.uk/news/local-wes
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[quote][p][bold]myfanwy7[/bold] wrote: WSW69: "It's a revenue collection exercise" , just like Asda asking you to pay for a pint of milk then. Pesky companies, unwilling to let us have stuff for free...[/p][/quote]More lazy journalism!! http://www.brassagen cy.com/news/brass-we lcomes-new-account-e xecutive.aspx As for Asda charging for a pint of milk it's rather more like Asda charging a fee for the legal right to shop in Tesco. How surprising: http://www.examiner. co.uk/news/local-wes t-yorkshire-news/201 3/02/22/1400-caught- without-tv-licence-i n-huddersfield-86081 -32857102/#sitelife- commentsWidget-botto m Hieronymous2

6:56pm Sat 23 Feb 13

JustBecause says...

Kelly Welly wrote:
JustBecause wrote:
If you cannot afford a licence tuff you should not be watching TV, as for the total crap about not paying and there's nothing they can do, good luck with that.

Find them, fine them, take the fine from wages or benefits, job done
No disrespect but you really need to take your mind away from the mainstream and do your own research. I KNOW for a fact that you really don't need to pay a TV licence! I personally know quite a number of people who watch telly and don't pay a licence, you simply don't have to if you know your rights! You just need to know what your doing. Have you any idea what activities that you are funding by paying this unnecessary 'fee'? Wake up! Are you actually aware that the elitistists and those alike who own/run these corporations are laughing at obedient slaves like yourself.
Pease enlighten us all, because I would live not to pay it, please tell us what "rights" people clearly know nothing about.
[quote][p][bold]Kelly Welly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: If you cannot afford a licence tuff you should not be watching TV, as for the total crap about not paying and there's nothing they can do, good luck with that. Find them, fine them, take the fine from wages or benefits, job done[/p][/quote]No disrespect but you really need to take your mind away from the mainstream and do your own research. I KNOW for a fact that you really don't need to pay a TV licence! I personally know quite a number of people who watch telly and don't pay a licence, you simply don't have to if you know your rights! You just need to know what your doing. Have you any idea what activities that you are funding by paying this unnecessary 'fee'? Wake up! Are you actually aware that the elitistists and those alike who own/run these corporations are laughing at obedient slaves like yourself.[/p][/quote]Pease enlighten us all, because I would live not to pay it, please tell us what "rights" people clearly know nothing about. JustBecause

7:13pm Sat 23 Feb 13

JustBecause says...

Kelly Welly wrote:
JustBecause wrote:
If you cannot afford a licence tuff you should not be watching TV, as for the total crap about not paying and there's nothing they can do, good luck with that.

Find them, fine them, take the fine from wages or benefits, job done
No disrespect but you really need to take your mind away from the mainstream and do your own research. I KNOW for a fact that you really don't need to pay a TV licence! I personally know quite a number of people who watch telly and don't pay a licence, you simply don't have to if you know your rights! You just need to know what your doing. Have you any idea what activities that you are funding by paying this unnecessary 'fee'? Wake up! Are you actually aware that the elitistists and those alike who own/run these corporations are laughing at obedient slaves like yourself.
If your going to spout rubbish about TV licensing not being a law, but an act etc etc etc then don't waste your time.

England has a common law system, based on precedent.

I guarantee when you end up in court you WILL be fined, arguing about Acts and Laws etc is for the loonies in the UK who think they can pick and choose there way of living.

So stop with the tree hugging comments and just accept you have a licence like the rest of us, or will at some point get caught and fined.
[quote][p][bold]Kelly Welly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: If you cannot afford a licence tuff you should not be watching TV, as for the total crap about not paying and there's nothing they can do, good luck with that. Find them, fine them, take the fine from wages or benefits, job done[/p][/quote]No disrespect but you really need to take your mind away from the mainstream and do your own research. I KNOW for a fact that you really don't need to pay a TV licence! I personally know quite a number of people who watch telly and don't pay a licence, you simply don't have to if you know your rights! You just need to know what your doing. Have you any idea what activities that you are funding by paying this unnecessary 'fee'? Wake up! Are you actually aware that the elitistists and those alike who own/run these corporations are laughing at obedient slaves like yourself.[/p][/quote]If your going to spout rubbish about TV licensing not being a law, but an act etc etc etc then don't waste your time. England has a common law system, based on precedent. I guarantee when you end up in court you WILL be fined, arguing about Acts and Laws etc is for the loonies in the UK who think they can pick and choose there way of living. So stop with the tree hugging comments and just accept you have a licence like the rest of us, or will at some point get caught and fined. JustBecause

8:04am Sun 24 Feb 13

Wigan Trotter says...

Send in the High Court Sheriff's I say!
Send in the High Court Sheriff's I say! Wigan Trotter

8:04am Sun 24 Feb 13

Wigan Trotter says...

Send in the High Court Sheriff's I say!
Send in the High Court Sheriff's I say! Wigan Trotter

11:16am Sun 24 Feb 13

Kelly Welly says...

The law that I live by is to cause no loss and no harm. A law that if everyone followed maybe 'society' wouldn't be the way it is. You however and people like you follow 'rules and regulations (acts of parliament/legal statutes). If you do your research you'll see that legal statutes can only be given the full force of the law by those who CHOOSE to be governed by them. I don't choose to be part of this 'society' and I'm extremely happy in not doing so.
Have you ever wondered why your full name appears in capital letters on letters from banks, car documents etc? This is quite an insult. Get yourself a copy of the Blacks Law dictionary (the older the better).

Capitis Diminutio Maxima (meaning a maximum loss of status through the use of capitalization, e.g. JOHN DOE or DOE JOHN) - The highest or most comprehensive loss of status. This occurred when a man's condition was changed from one of freedom to one of bondage, when he became a slave. It swept away with it all rights of citizenship and all family rights.

Look at the following link as a starter for you:
http://loveforlife.c
om.au/content/08/10/
26/capitis-diminutio
-maxima-name-all-cap
itals-important-info
rmation

p.s why is it that people who stand up for their rights referred to with silly names such as tree huggers?
The law that I live by is to cause no loss and no harm. A law that if everyone followed maybe 'society' wouldn't be the way it is. You however and people like you follow 'rules and regulations (acts of parliament/legal statutes). If you do your research you'll see that legal statutes can only be given the full force of the law by those who CHOOSE to be governed by them. I don't choose to be part of this 'society' and I'm extremely happy in not doing so. Have you ever wondered why your full name appears in capital letters on letters from banks, car documents etc? This is quite an insult. Get yourself a copy of the Blacks Law dictionary (the older the better). Capitis Diminutio Maxima (meaning a maximum loss of status through the use of capitalization, e.g. JOHN DOE or DOE JOHN) - The highest or most comprehensive loss of status. This occurred when a man's condition was changed from one of freedom to one of bondage, when he became a slave. It swept away with it all rights of citizenship and all family rights. Look at the following link as a starter for you: http://loveforlife.c om.au/content/08/10/ 26/capitis-diminutio -maxima-name-all-cap itals-important-info rmation p.s why is it that people who stand up for their rights referred to with silly names such as tree huggers? Kelly Welly

4:05pm Sun 24 Feb 13

wagstaff says...

£145.50 FAR TO CHEAP ABOUT £200 WOULD BE BETTER AND IF YOU C"ANT AFFORD IT, D"ONT WATCH IT, SIMPLE"S IN IT
£145.50 FAR TO CHEAP ABOUT £200 WOULD BE BETTER AND IF YOU C"ANT AFFORD IT, D"ONT WATCH IT, SIMPLE"S IN IT wagstaff

8:35pm Sun 24 Feb 13

JustBecause says...

Kelly Welly wrote:
The law that I live by is to cause no loss and no harm. A law that if everyone followed maybe 'society' wouldn't be the way it is. You however and people like you follow 'rules and regulations (acts of parliament/legal statutes). If you do your research you'll see that legal statutes can only be given the full force of the law by those who CHOOSE to be governed by them. I don't choose to be part of this 'society' and I'm extremely happy in not doing so.
Have you ever wondered why your full name appears in capital letters on letters from banks, car documents etc? This is quite an insult. Get yourself a copy of the Blacks Law dictionary (the older the better).

Capitis Diminutio Maxima (meaning a maximum loss of status through the use of capitalization, e.g. JOHN DOE or DOE JOHN) - The highest or most comprehensive loss of status. This occurred when a man's condition was changed from one of freedom to one of bondage, when he became a slave. It swept away with it all rights of citizenship and all family rights.

Look at the following link as a starter for you:
http://loveforlife.c

om.au/content/08/10/

26/capitis-diminutio

-maxima-name-all-cap

itals-important-info

rmation

p.s why is it that people who stand up for their rights referred to with silly names such as tree huggers?
You choose not to be part of this society?

So you don't use the NHS, police and fire service, how do you get about walking or driving on society's footpaths and highway..?

I suppose you don't pay council tax, or tax, or NI.....?

So please stop spouting your nonsense, its old hat and for people who never actually put there dumb ideas into practice.
[quote][p][bold]Kelly Welly[/bold] wrote: The law that I live by is to cause no loss and no harm. A law that if everyone followed maybe 'society' wouldn't be the way it is. You however and people like you follow 'rules and regulations (acts of parliament/legal statutes). If you do your research you'll see that legal statutes can only be given the full force of the law by those who CHOOSE to be governed by them. I don't choose to be part of this 'society' and I'm extremely happy in not doing so. Have you ever wondered why your full name appears in capital letters on letters from banks, car documents etc? This is quite an insult. Get yourself a copy of the Blacks Law dictionary (the older the better). Capitis Diminutio Maxima (meaning a maximum loss of status through the use of capitalization, e.g. JOHN DOE or DOE JOHN) - The highest or most comprehensive loss of status. This occurred when a man's condition was changed from one of freedom to one of bondage, when he became a slave. It swept away with it all rights of citizenship and all family rights. Look at the following link as a starter for you: http://loveforlife.c om.au/content/08/10/ 26/capitis-diminutio -maxima-name-all-cap itals-important-info rmation p.s why is it that people who stand up for their rights referred to with silly names such as tree huggers?[/p][/quote]You choose not to be part of this society? So you don't use the NHS, police and fire service, how do you get about walking or driving on society's footpaths and highway..? I suppose you don't pay council tax, or tax, or NI.....? So please stop spouting your nonsense, its old hat and for people who never actually put there dumb ideas into practice. JustBecause

8:58am Mon 25 Feb 13

JustBecause says...

Welly..as for your Australian link !

you actually read and believe stuff from a website that thinks Micheal Jackson was killed because he was going to bring down the illuminate by becoming a muslim and outing them on his next concert.............
................. good luck with that, and please keep taking the pills.
Welly..as for your Australian link ! you actually read and believe stuff from a website that thinks Micheal Jackson was killed because he was going to bring down the illuminate by becoming a muslim and outing them on his next concert............. ................. good luck with that, and please keep taking the pills. JustBecause

9:48am Mon 25 Feb 13

myfanwy7 says...

Hieronymous2 wrote:
myfanwy7 wrote:
WSW69: "It's a revenue collection exercise" , just like Asda asking you to pay for a pint of milk then. Pesky companies, unwilling to let us have stuff for free...
More lazy journalism!!

http://www.brassagen

cy.com/news/brass-we

lcomes-new-account-e

xecutive.aspx

As for Asda charging for a pint of milk it's rather more like Asda charging a fee for the legal right to shop in Tesco.

How surprising:

http://www.examiner.

co.uk/news/local-wes

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Don't really know what you mean by lazy journalism, or understand your Tesco analogy. Suffice to say the BBC can't provide programmes and services for free and so people need a licence. You can argue that the BBC should become like any other commercial channel if you want, but as the law stands you need a licence. The BBC is having something of an identity crisis at the moment, but there is still much to be proud of. Be careful what you wish for, I say.
[quote][p][bold]Hieronymous2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]myfanwy7[/bold] wrote: WSW69: "It's a revenue collection exercise" , just like Asda asking you to pay for a pint of milk then. Pesky companies, unwilling to let us have stuff for free...[/p][/quote]More lazy journalism!! http://www.brassagen cy.com/news/brass-we lcomes-new-account-e xecutive.aspx As for Asda charging for a pint of milk it's rather more like Asda charging a fee for the legal right to shop in Tesco. How surprising: http://www.examiner. co.uk/news/local-wes t-yorkshire-news/201 3/02/22/1400-caught- without-tv-licence-i n-huddersfield-86081 -32857102/#sitelife- commentsWidget-botto m[/p][/quote]Don't really know what you mean by lazy journalism, or understand your Tesco analogy. Suffice to say the BBC can't provide programmes and services for free and so people need a licence. You can argue that the BBC should become like any other commercial channel if you want, but as the law stands you need a licence. The BBC is having something of an identity crisis at the moment, but there is still much to be proud of. Be careful what you wish for, I say. myfanwy7

3:54pm Mon 25 Feb 13

Kelly Welly says...

JustBecause wrote:
Kelly Welly wrote:
The law that I live by is to cause no loss and no harm. A law that if everyone followed maybe 'society' wouldn't be the way it is. You however and people like you follow 'rules and regulations (acts of parliament/legal statutes). If you do your research you'll see that legal statutes can only be given the full force of the law by those who CHOOSE to be governed by them. I don't choose to be part of this 'society' and I'm extremely happy in not doing so.
Have you ever wondered why your full name appears in capital letters on letters from banks, car documents etc? This is quite an insult. Get yourself a copy of the Blacks Law dictionary (the older the better).

Capitis Diminutio Maxima (meaning a maximum loss of status through the use of capitalization, e.g. JOHN DOE or DOE JOHN) - The highest or most comprehensive loss of status. This occurred when a man's condition was changed from one of freedom to one of bondage, when he became a slave. It swept away with it all rights of citizenship and all family rights.

Look at the following link as a starter for you:
http://loveforlife.c


om.au/content/08/10/


26/capitis-diminutio


-maxima-name-all-cap


itals-important-info


rmation

p.s why is it that people who stand up for their rights referred to with silly names such as tree huggers?
You choose not to be part of this society?

So you don't use the NHS, police and fire service, how do you get about walking or driving on society's footpaths and highway..?

I suppose you don't pay council tax, or tax, or NI.....?

So please stop spouting your nonsense, its old hat and for people who never actually put there dumb ideas into practice.
No I dont 'choose' to be part of this society. I never really need to use the NHS (luckily), I don't use the police and I've never needed the fire service. I don't see what society has got to do with driving and walking on PUBLIC roads/pavements. I pay elements to my council tax (begrudgingly) one step at a time though! I'm still learning! Off track a little because the topic is 'tv licence’, which is an unnecessary 'fee'. Like I have previously said.... I personally know numerous people who don't pay this (i.e. actually put it into practice) and there's nothing that can be done. You appear to be either a very uninformed person or a shill.
If you want to be an obedient slav then good on you, that's not my concern.
[quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kelly Welly[/bold] wrote: The law that I live by is to cause no loss and no harm. A law that if everyone followed maybe 'society' wouldn't be the way it is. You however and people like you follow 'rules and regulations (acts of parliament/legal statutes). If you do your research you'll see that legal statutes can only be given the full force of the law by those who CHOOSE to be governed by them. I don't choose to be part of this 'society' and I'm extremely happy in not doing so. Have you ever wondered why your full name appears in capital letters on letters from banks, car documents etc? This is quite an insult. Get yourself a copy of the Blacks Law dictionary (the older the better). Capitis Diminutio Maxima (meaning a maximum loss of status through the use of capitalization, e.g. JOHN DOE or DOE JOHN) - The highest or most comprehensive loss of status. This occurred when a man's condition was changed from one of freedom to one of bondage, when he became a slave. It swept away with it all rights of citizenship and all family rights. Look at the following link as a starter for you: http://loveforlife.c om.au/content/08/10/ 26/capitis-diminutio -maxima-name-all-cap itals-important-info rmation p.s why is it that people who stand up for their rights referred to with silly names such as tree huggers?[/p][/quote]You choose not to be part of this society? So you don't use the NHS, police and fire service, how do you get about walking or driving on society's footpaths and highway..? I suppose you don't pay council tax, or tax, or NI.....? So please stop spouting your nonsense, its old hat and for people who never actually put there dumb ideas into practice.[/p][/quote]No I dont 'choose' to be part of this society. I never really need to use the NHS (luckily), I don't use the police and I've never needed the fire service. I don't see what society has got to do with driving and walking on PUBLIC roads/pavements. I pay elements to my council tax (begrudgingly) one step at a time though! I'm still learning! Off track a little because the topic is 'tv licence’, which is an unnecessary 'fee'. Like I have previously said.... I personally know numerous people who don't pay this (i.e. actually put it into practice) and there's nothing that can be done. You appear to be either a very uninformed person or a shill. If you want to be an obedient slav then good on you, that's not my concern. Kelly Welly

4:06pm Mon 25 Feb 13

Kelly Welly says...

JustBecause wrote:
Welly..as for your Australian link !

you actually read and believe stuff from a website that thinks Micheal Jackson was killed because he was going to bring down the illuminate by becoming a muslim and outing them on his next concert.............

................. good luck with that, and please keep taking the pills.
Oh no, there's just no hope! That link was a starter for you to do your own research, it refers to the Blacks Law dictionary. I have the Blacks Law dictionary and its in there! Be brave and take the red pill.
[quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: Welly..as for your Australian link ! you actually read and believe stuff from a website that thinks Micheal Jackson was killed because he was going to bring down the illuminate by becoming a muslim and outing them on his next concert............. ................. good luck with that, and please keep taking the pills.[/p][/quote]Oh no, there's just no hope! That link was a starter for you to do your own research, it refers to the Blacks Law dictionary. I have the Blacks Law dictionary and its in there! Be brave and take the red pill. Kelly Welly

6:33pm Mon 25 Feb 13

Jesusislord says...

Kelly Welly wrote:
JustBecause wrote:
Kelly Welly wrote:
The law that I live by is to cause no loss and no harm. A law that if everyone followed maybe 'society' wouldn't be the way it is. You however and people like you follow 'rules and regulations (acts of parliament/legal statutes). If you do your research you'll see that legal statutes can only be given the full force of the law by those who CHOOSE to be governed by them. I don't choose to be part of this 'society' and I'm extremely happy in not doing so.
Have you ever wondered why your full name appears in capital letters on letters from banks, car documents etc? This is quite an insult. Get yourself a copy of the Blacks Law dictionary (the older the better).

Capitis Diminutio Maxima (meaning a maximum loss of status through the use of capitalization, e.g. JOHN DOE or DOE JOHN) - The highest or most comprehensive loss of status. This occurred when a man's condition was changed from one of freedom to one of bondage, when he became a slave. It swept away with it all rights of citizenship and all family rights.

Look at the following link as a starter for you:
http://loveforlife.c



om.au/content/08/10/



26/capitis-diminutio



-maxima-name-all-cap



itals-important-info



rmation

p.s why is it that people who stand up for their rights referred to with silly names such as tree huggers?
You choose not to be part of this society?

So you don't use the NHS, police and fire service, how do you get about walking or driving on society's footpaths and highway..?

I suppose you don't pay council tax, or tax, or NI.....?

So please stop spouting your nonsense, its old hat and for people who never actually put there dumb ideas into practice.
No I dont 'choose' to be part of this society. I never really need to use the NHS (luckily), I don't use the police and I've never needed the fire service. I don't see what society has got to do with driving and walking on PUBLIC roads/pavements. I pay elements to my council tax (begrudgingly) one step at a time though! I'm still learning! Off track a little because the topic is 'tv licence’, which is an unnecessary 'fee'. Like I have previously said.... I personally know numerous people who don't pay this (i.e. actually put it into practice) and there's nothing that can be done. You appear to be either a very uninformed person or a shill.
If you want to be an obedient slav then good on you, that's not my concern.
Yes Kelly, you do 'choose', because you could leave, but you haven't have you? Who taught you to read? Teachers paid for by everyone. Who paid for the roads you use? Everyone. Who pays for the police who keep you and all of us safe most of the time? All of us. You're just a selfish person who's too greedy to pay for the stuff you use. Typical scrounger. " I don't see what society has got to do with driving and walking on PUBLIC roads/pavements." Oh, so you think roads appeared by themselves do you? Here's the thing - the world is better when we all look out for each other. So if you're ill, I'm happy to chip in to the cost of healthcare, because that's better for everyone. That's good old-fashioned British values.
[quote][p][bold]Kelly Welly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kelly Welly[/bold] wrote: The law that I live by is to cause no loss and no harm. A law that if everyone followed maybe 'society' wouldn't be the way it is. You however and people like you follow 'rules and regulations (acts of parliament/legal statutes). If you do your research you'll see that legal statutes can only be given the full force of the law by those who CHOOSE to be governed by them. I don't choose to be part of this 'society' and I'm extremely happy in not doing so. Have you ever wondered why your full name appears in capital letters on letters from banks, car documents etc? This is quite an insult. Get yourself a copy of the Blacks Law dictionary (the older the better). Capitis Diminutio Maxima (meaning a maximum loss of status through the use of capitalization, e.g. JOHN DOE or DOE JOHN) - The highest or most comprehensive loss of status. This occurred when a man's condition was changed from one of freedom to one of bondage, when he became a slave. It swept away with it all rights of citizenship and all family rights. Look at the following link as a starter for you: http://loveforlife.c om.au/content/08/10/ 26/capitis-diminutio -maxima-name-all-cap itals-important-info rmation p.s why is it that people who stand up for their rights referred to with silly names such as tree huggers?[/p][/quote]You choose not to be part of this society? So you don't use the NHS, police and fire service, how do you get about walking or driving on society's footpaths and highway..? I suppose you don't pay council tax, or tax, or NI.....? So please stop spouting your nonsense, its old hat and for people who never actually put there dumb ideas into practice.[/p][/quote]No I dont 'choose' to be part of this society. I never really need to use the NHS (luckily), I don't use the police and I've never needed the fire service. I don't see what society has got to do with driving and walking on PUBLIC roads/pavements. I pay elements to my council tax (begrudgingly) one step at a time though! I'm still learning! Off track a little because the topic is 'tv licence’, which is an unnecessary 'fee'. Like I have previously said.... I personally know numerous people who don't pay this (i.e. actually put it into practice) and there's nothing that can be done. You appear to be either a very uninformed person or a shill. If you want to be an obedient slav then good on you, that's not my concern.[/p][/quote]Yes Kelly, you do 'choose', because you could leave, but you haven't have you? Who taught you to read? Teachers paid for by everyone. Who paid for the roads you use? Everyone. Who pays for the police who keep you and all of us safe most of the time? All of us. You're just a selfish person who's too greedy to pay for the stuff you use. Typical scrounger. " I don't see what society has got to do with driving and walking on PUBLIC roads/pavements." Oh, so you think roads appeared by themselves do you? Here's the thing - the world is better when we all look out for each other. So if you're ill, I'm happy to chip in to the cost of healthcare, because that's better for everyone. That's good old-fashioned British values. Jesusislord

8:04pm Mon 25 Feb 13

Kelly Welly says...

Jesusislord wrote:
Kelly Welly wrote:
JustBecause wrote:
Kelly Welly wrote:
The law that I live by is to cause no loss and no harm. A law that if everyone followed maybe 'society' wouldn't be the way it is. You however and people like you follow 'rules and regulations (acts of parliament/legal statutes). If you do your research you'll see that legal statutes can only be given the full force of the law by those who CHOOSE to be governed by them. I don't choose to be part of this 'society' and I'm extremely happy in not doing so.
Have you ever wondered why your full name appears in capital letters on letters from banks, car documents etc? This is quite an insult. Get yourself a copy of the Blacks Law dictionary (the older the better).

Capitis Diminutio Maxima (meaning a maximum loss of status through the use of capitalization, e.g. JOHN DOE or DOE JOHN) - The highest or most comprehensive loss of status. This occurred when a man's condition was changed from one of freedom to one of bondage, when he became a slave. It swept away with it all rights of citizenship and all family rights.

Look at the following link as a starter for you:
http://loveforlife.c




om.au/content/08/10/




26/capitis-diminutio




-maxima-name-all-cap




itals-important-info




rmation

p.s why is it that people who stand up for their rights referred to with silly names such as tree huggers?
You choose not to be part of this society?

So you don't use the NHS, police and fire service, how do you get about walking or driving on society's footpaths and highway..?

I suppose you don't pay council tax, or tax, or NI.....?

So please stop spouting your nonsense, its old hat and for people who never actually put there dumb ideas into practice.
No I dont 'choose' to be part of this society. I never really need to use the NHS (luckily), I don't use the police and I've never needed the fire service. I don't see what society has got to do with driving and walking on PUBLIC roads/pavements. I pay elements to my council tax (begrudgingly) one step at a time though! I'm still learning! Off track a little because the topic is 'tv licence’, which is an unnecessary 'fee'. Like I have previously said.... I personally know numerous people who don't pay this (i.e. actually put it into practice) and there's nothing that can be done. You appear to be either a very uninformed person or a shill.
If you want to be an obedient slav then good on you, that's not my concern.
Yes Kelly, you do 'choose', because you could leave, but you haven't have you? Who taught you to read? Teachers paid for by everyone. Who paid for the roads you use? Everyone. Who pays for the police who keep you and all of us safe most of the time? All of us. You're just a selfish person who's too greedy to pay for the stuff you use. Typical scrounger. " I don't see what society has got to do with driving and walking on PUBLIC roads/pavements." Oh, so you think roads appeared by themselves do you? Here's the thing - the world is better when we all look out for each other. So if you're ill, I'm happy to chip in to the cost of healthcare, because that's better for everyone. That's good old-fashioned British values.
. I really don't want to insult teachers because I'm sure that most teachers go into the job wanting to help children. However, In my opinion they are glorified child minders who mould our children to be able to push buttons when they at working age. How can you get personal and call me selfish when you don't even know me?! What makes you think that I am greedy and don't pay for the stuff I use? What has given you that impression? I do NOT watch the mind control box therefore I do not pay TV licence even if I did watch telly, I still wouldn't pay for one! Why on earth would I? You buy a telly, pay for the electric to run it and then pay for a licence (to fund god knows what!). Being, or not being part of the society has nothing to do with roads, societies do not build roads. It's like saying that because I do not choose to be part of the society of idiots that I am not entitled to travel on the roads. I am always more than happy to help people out and pay my share, what I'm not happy about and will NOT tolerate is paying unnecessary 'fees' which include funding the lifestyles of paedophiles and contributing to the funding of wars.
[quote][p][bold]Jesusislord[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kelly Welly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kelly Welly[/bold] wrote: The law that I live by is to cause no loss and no harm. A law that if everyone followed maybe 'society' wouldn't be the way it is. You however and people like you follow 'rules and regulations (acts of parliament/legal statutes). If you do your research you'll see that legal statutes can only be given the full force of the law by those who CHOOSE to be governed by them. I don't choose to be part of this 'society' and I'm extremely happy in not doing so. Have you ever wondered why your full name appears in capital letters on letters from banks, car documents etc? This is quite an insult. Get yourself a copy of the Blacks Law dictionary (the older the better). Capitis Diminutio Maxima (meaning a maximum loss of status through the use of capitalization, e.g. JOHN DOE or DOE JOHN) - The highest or most comprehensive loss of status. This occurred when a man's condition was changed from one of freedom to one of bondage, when he became a slave. It swept away with it all rights of citizenship and all family rights. Look at the following link as a starter for you: http://loveforlife.c om.au/content/08/10/ 26/capitis-diminutio -maxima-name-all-cap itals-important-info rmation p.s why is it that people who stand up for their rights referred to with silly names such as tree huggers?[/p][/quote]You choose not to be part of this society? So you don't use the NHS, police and fire service, how do you get about walking or driving on society's footpaths and highway..? I suppose you don't pay council tax, or tax, or NI.....? So please stop spouting your nonsense, its old hat and for people who never actually put there dumb ideas into practice.[/p][/quote]No I dont 'choose' to be part of this society. I never really need to use the NHS (luckily), I don't use the police and I've never needed the fire service. I don't see what society has got to do with driving and walking on PUBLIC roads/pavements. I pay elements to my council tax (begrudgingly) one step at a time though! I'm still learning! Off track a little because the topic is 'tv licence’, which is an unnecessary 'fee'. Like I have previously said.... I personally know numerous people who don't pay this (i.e. actually put it into practice) and there's nothing that can be done. You appear to be either a very uninformed person or a shill. If you want to be an obedient slav then good on you, that's not my concern.[/p][/quote]Yes Kelly, you do 'choose', because you could leave, but you haven't have you? Who taught you to read? Teachers paid for by everyone. Who paid for the roads you use? Everyone. Who pays for the police who keep you and all of us safe most of the time? All of us. You're just a selfish person who's too greedy to pay for the stuff you use. Typical scrounger. " I don't see what society has got to do with driving and walking on PUBLIC roads/pavements." Oh, so you think roads appeared by themselves do you? Here's the thing - the world is better when we all look out for each other. So if you're ill, I'm happy to chip in to the cost of healthcare, because that's better for everyone. That's good old-fashioned British values.[/p][/quote]. I really don't want to insult teachers because I'm sure that most teachers go into the job wanting to help children. However, In my opinion they are glorified child minders who mould our children to be able to push buttons when they at working age. How can you get personal and call me selfish when you don't even know me?! What makes you think that I am greedy and don't pay for the stuff I use? What has given you that impression? I do NOT watch the mind control box therefore I do not pay TV licence even if I did watch telly, I still wouldn't pay for one! Why on earth would I? You buy a telly, pay for the electric to run it and then pay for a licence (to fund god knows what!). Being, or not being part of the society has nothing to do with roads, societies do not build roads. It's like saying that because I do not choose to be part of the society of idiots that I am not entitled to travel on the roads. I am always more than happy to help people out and pay my share, what I'm not happy about and will NOT tolerate is paying unnecessary 'fees' which include funding the lifestyles of paedophiles and contributing to the funding of wars. Kelly Welly

7:04am Tue 26 Feb 13

Wigan Trotter says...

Kelly Welly

Bet like a few others in your society, you are only to willing to accept the 'benefits' paid for by people in our society.
Kelly Welly Bet like a few others in your society, you are only to willing to accept the 'benefits' paid for by people in our society. Wigan Trotter

8:14am Tue 26 Feb 13

JustBecause says...

Who ever Kelly is its academic they pay for stuff like the rest of use end of story, there is no way round the system or everyone would be doing it end of chat.

Kelly do you work? If so you will be telling us you dont pay tax and NI, and if your on benefits, then your a hypocritical fool.

Tell you what I will do, you prove to me how you can legally get away with not paying your tv licence or pay council tax in sections when you feel like it, and if I can do the same I will give £10,000 to a charity in the bolton area. This is a genuine offer. The flip side is when I go to court and lose YOU pay my expenses and fine........ No how strong are your beliefs ?
Who ever Kelly is its academic they pay for stuff like the rest of use end of story, there is no way round the system or everyone would be doing it end of chat. Kelly do you work? If so you will be telling us you dont pay tax and NI, and if your on benefits, then your a hypocritical fool. Tell you what I will do, you prove to me how you can legally get away with not paying your tv licence or pay council tax in sections when you feel like it, and if I can do the same I will give £10,000 to a charity in the bolton area. This is a genuine offer. The flip side is when I go to court and lose YOU pay my expenses and fine........ No how strong are your beliefs ? JustBecause

8:17am Tue 26 Feb 13

JustBecause says...

As for the teacher comment, I for one am glad you choose not to be part of society because we can certainly can do without people with such twisted and morally wrong attitudes as yourself, so what time is your flight of this island ?
As for the teacher comment, I for one am glad you choose not to be part of society because we can certainly can do without people with such twisted and morally wrong attitudes as yourself, so what time is your flight of this island ? JustBecause

8:31am Tue 26 Feb 13

Kelly Welly says...

Wigan Trotter wrote:
Kelly Welly

Bet like a few others in your society, you are only to willing to accept the 'benefits' paid for by people in our society.
I was just waiting for a comment about accepting benefits. Lets just say that I earn my own money to get by. I also do not have a problem with people claiming benefits because I know where the money comes from to pay their benefits. People who work silly hours to buy things that they don't need are led to believe that their tax contribution pays peoples benefits, those people are sadly mistaken. That tactic is another one used to divide people i.e. slaves who work in mundane jobs and pay most of their wages in taxes against those who claim benefits. If you knew what hold you have against you, who OWNS you then I'm certain that people would expect their living to be paid for. It is your job to go and do your own research if you have the time (because of course things are designed so people don't have time to investigate what's really happening in front of them. Working 40+ hours to buy things that they don't need and even haven't got time to enjoy or you have people that work so hard that when they come home they just chill watching the mind control box - then go to bed- then get up for another cycle. I am not criticising anyone because this is what I used to do before I opened my eyes. The thing is is that people who do not follow the flock and are looking in to what's going on are deemed to be nut jobs (why do you think that is??).
[quote][p][bold]Wigan Trotter[/bold] wrote: Kelly Welly Bet like a few others in your society, you are only to willing to accept the 'benefits' paid for by people in our society.[/p][/quote]I was just waiting for a comment about accepting benefits. Lets just say that I earn my own money to get by. I also do not have a problem with people claiming benefits because I know where the money comes from to pay their benefits. People who work silly hours to buy things that they don't need are led to believe that their tax contribution pays peoples benefits, those people are sadly mistaken. That tactic is another one used to divide people i.e. slaves who work in mundane jobs and pay most of their wages in taxes against those who claim benefits. If you knew what hold you have against you, who OWNS you then I'm certain that people would expect their living to be paid for. It is your job to go and do your own research if you have the time (because of course things are designed so people don't have time to investigate what's really happening in front of them. Working 40+ hours to buy things that they don't need and even haven't got time to enjoy or you have people that work so hard that when they come home they just chill watching the mind control box - then go to bed- then get up for another cycle. I am not criticising anyone because this is what I used to do before I opened my eyes. The thing is is that people who do not follow the flock and are looking in to what's going on are deemed to be nut jobs (why do you think that is??). Kelly Welly

8:40am Tue 26 Feb 13

Kelly Welly says...

JustBecause wrote:
As for the teacher comment, I for one am glad you choose not to be part of society because we can certainly can do without people with such twisted and morally wrong attitudes as yourself, so what time is your flight of this island ?
Blimey, you're being quite rude and personal there! So , let's see.... people who do not follow the flock and do as they're told without questioning are seen by yourself to have twisted and morally wrong attitudes?? Why do you believe that?? I would have thought that being a drone and teaching your kids to be the same is the wrong attitude to have.
P.s - You're calling my attitude - look at how you are being with me!
[quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: As for the teacher comment, I for one am glad you choose not to be part of society because we can certainly can do without people with such twisted and morally wrong attitudes as yourself, so what time is your flight of this island ?[/p][/quote]Blimey, you're being quite rude and personal there! So , let's see.... people who do not follow the flock and do as they're told without questioning are seen by yourself to have twisted and morally wrong attitudes?? Why do you believe that?? I would have thought that being a drone and teaching your kids to be the same is the wrong attitude to have. P.s - You're calling my attitude - look at how you are being with me! Kelly Welly

9:18am Tue 26 Feb 13

Hieronymous2 says...

No-one needs to pay for a TV licence. As long as you're not watching or recording at the same time as a programme is broadcast no licence is required.

For those who may fall into the trap of believing that equipment capable of receiving live broadcasts requires a licence I suggest you look up the 'Rudd precedent'.
No-one needs to pay for a TV licence. As long as you're not watching or recording at the same time as a programme is broadcast no licence is required. For those who may fall into the trap of believing that equipment capable of receiving live broadcasts requires a licence I suggest you look up the 'Rudd precedent'. Hieronymous2

9:23am Tue 26 Feb 13

Kelly Welly says...

JustBecause wrote:
Who ever Kelly is its academic they pay for stuff like the rest of use end of story, there is no way round the system or everyone would be doing it end of chat.

Kelly do you work? If so you will be telling us you dont pay tax and NI, and if your on benefits, then your a hypocritical fool.

Tell you what I will do, you prove to me how you can legally get away with not paying your tv licence or pay council tax in sections when you feel like it, and if I can do the same I will give £10,000 to a charity in the bolton area. This is a genuine offer. The flip side is when I go to court and lose YOU pay my expenses and fine........ No how strong are your beliefs ?
If I told you about what I do then I would be giving myself away, wouldn't I? All you need to know is that I am far from a hypocrite.
1) There is a difference between lawful and legal
2) I've told you my take on the TV licence and what has been successfully done in the past. It’s all about knowing your rights.
Have a watch at this: http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=0oXePwbul
T4
Even if you accidently got yourself in court you'd easily get yourself out. Just watch the clip. Can I just point out, regarding the money that you offered to charity.... how much of that £10,000 do you actually think will go to that charity? The best thing that you could do is buy life saving equipment for hospitals, you could always give your time voluntarily to help people (like I do), I'm really not the kind of person that you make me out to be.
[quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: Who ever Kelly is its academic they pay for stuff like the rest of use end of story, there is no way round the system or everyone would be doing it end of chat. Kelly do you work? If so you will be telling us you dont pay tax and NI, and if your on benefits, then your a hypocritical fool. Tell you what I will do, you prove to me how you can legally get away with not paying your tv licence or pay council tax in sections when you feel like it, and if I can do the same I will give £10,000 to a charity in the bolton area. This is a genuine offer. The flip side is when I go to court and lose YOU pay my expenses and fine........ No how strong are your beliefs ?[/p][/quote]If I told you about what I do then I would be giving myself away, wouldn't I? All you need to know is that I am far from a hypocrite. 1) There is a difference between lawful and legal 2) I've told you my take on the TV licence and what has been successfully done in the past. It’s all about knowing your rights. Have a watch at this: http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=0oXePwbul T4 Even if you accidently got yourself in court you'd easily get yourself out. Just watch the clip. Can I just point out, regarding the money that you offered to charity.... how much of that £10,000 do you actually think will go to that charity? The best thing that you could do is buy life saving equipment for hospitals, you could always give your time voluntarily to help people (like I do), I'm really not the kind of person that you make me out to be. Kelly Welly

3:20pm Tue 26 Feb 13

tim6332001 says...

i stopped watching LIVE TV 3 years ago i save my self £145.50 a year for a tv licence and it is the best thing i have done i dont miss LIVE TV one little bit i can still watch everything i used to watch i`e eastenders top gear,on bbc iplayer and itv player and you tube on my ps3 i have notified tv license and they have told me i DO NOT NEED A TV LICENCE AT ALL and they wont send me any more letters for 3 years
i stopped watching LIVE TV 3 years ago i save my self £145.50 a year for a tv licence and it is the best thing i have done i dont miss LIVE TV one little bit i can still watch everything i used to watch i`e eastenders top gear,on bbc iplayer and itv player and you tube on my ps3 i have notified tv license and they have told me i DO NOT NEED A TV LICENCE AT ALL and they wont send me any more letters for 3 years tim6332001

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