High death rates warnings 'ignored' (From The Bolton News)

The standards within the health service fell dramatically under the last labour government to an unprecedented level,the proof for which is just emerging.

This happened during the FAT MANS tenure, did it not?

It is suspicious behaviour form the chairman of the trust for 8 years not to be able to comment.

It is illegal to mask and manipulate figures in nhs reporting figures. The re coding scandal seems suspicious.

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grimtown wrote:
It is suspicious behaviour form the chairman of the trust for 8 years not to be able to comment.

It is illegal to mask and manipulate figures in nhs reporting figures. The re coding scandal seems suspicious.

Jeremy Hunt, the Health Secretary, is to announce that senior NHS managers and hospital trusts will be held criminally liable if they manipulate figures on waiting times or death rates.

Trusts could be fined millions of pounds and managers jailed if they are found to have falsified data used by patients to select where they are treated.

Several NHS hospitals have been accused recently of seeking to obscure high mortality rates by “mis-recording” the reasons for deaths. Such practices make it hard for regulators and the public to identify hospitals that have poor standards of treatment.

Nurses have also alleged privately that they have been told to “massage” waiting time figures by changing the recorded time when patients are treated or discharged.

Mr Hunt said last night: “This is about a transparent, honest and accountable NHS. Patients and the public should be confident that they can trust information about how hospitals are performing, and a culture of honesty and accuracy will help those organisations drive up standards of care.

boltonnut wrote:
This happened during the FAT MANS tenure, did it not?

A source close to Mr Hunt said: “The future NHS will have a more open culture, with better information for patients and the public. We’re determined that information must be credible and provided on a basis which is honest and consistent.” It emerged this month that the Royal Bolton Hospital hospital may have mis-recorded the deaths of up to 400 patients. As many as half of patients recorded as having blood poisoning at the hospital in 2011/12 may have suffered from less serious conditions, according to Dr Foster, the health analyst group.

boltonnut wrote:
This happened during the FAT MANS tenure, did it not?

Death rates are being closely scrutinised by regulators and ministers to highlight potentially poor care

steveG wrote:
The standards within the health service fell dramatically under the last labour government to an unprecedented level,the proof for which is just emerging.

A source close to Mr Hunt said: “The future NHS will have a more open culture, with better information for patients and the public. We’re determined that information must be credible and provided on a basis which is honest and consistent.” It emerged this month that the Royal Bolton Hospital hospital may have mis-recorded the deaths of up to 400 patients. As many as half of patients recorded as having blood poisoning at the hospital in 2011/12 may have suffered from less serious conditions, according to Dr Foster, the health analyst group.”

independent watchdog claimed to have found "significant discrepancies" in the recording of patient deaths.

A major probe is now under way at the hospital.

The Trust had been rated one of the worst performing trusts for death rates, with figures massively above the national average, six years running.

Where's that Fat Controller to answer relatives questions ????

CLIFF MORRIS MUST GO! Unfit to run the Hospital and unfit to run Bolton Council

Morris, presumably aware of the storm which was brewing, had already announced in July that he was to retire early from his second four-year term as Chairman of the Hospital Trust, leaving the post at the end of August rather than October.



Royal Bolton Hospital by Margaret Clough
He was destined to leave somewhat earlier than that. On the 3rd of August the government health watchdog, Monitor, announced that Morris was to step down immediately and from the following Tuesday (7th August) would be replaced by a new Chairman appointed by Monitor. The new boss, David Wakefield, had previously been the Chairman of the Milton Keynes Hospital Trust and was seen as an expert in turning around “failing” hospitals

grimtown wrote:

boltonnut wrote:
This happened during the FAT MANS tenure, did it not?

A source close to Mr Hunt said: “The future NHS will have a more open culture, with better information for patients and the public. We’re determined that information must be credible and provided on a basis which is honest and consistent.” It emerged this month that the Royal Bolton Hospital hospital may have mis-recorded the deaths of up to 400 patients. As many as half of patients recorded as having blood poisoning at the hospital in 2011/12 may have suffered from less serious conditions, according to Dr Foster, the health analyst group.

Another fine example of Morris’s unsuitability to be the Leader of the Council came in early August. In his other role as Chairman of the Royal Bolton Hospital Trust (an institution long criticised for its managerial inefficiency, poor hygiene record, high mortality rates, and ridiculous parking arrangements) he and his fellow Board members had somehow managed to “lose track” of £3.5 million of Hospital money. Morris, presumably aware of the storm which was brewing, had already announced in July that he was to retire early from his second four-year term as Chairman of the Hospital Trust, leaving the post at the end of August rather than October.



Royal Bolton Hospital by Margaret Clough
He was destined to leave somewhat earlier than that. On the 3rd of August the government health watchdog, Monitor, announced that Morris was to step down immediately and from the following Tuesday (7th August) would be replaced by a new Chairman appointed by Monitor. The new boss, David Wakefield, had previously been the Chairman of the Milton Keynes Hospital Trust and was seen as an expert in turning around “failing” hospitals

not in any way condoning what is going on at RBH - but all around the country hospital trusts are in the same dire position, having been forced into a corner by the government's targets and number crunching. Not saying this is right, but honestly, all this data and targets being set by Government is ridiculous. Each individual Trust should set its own, if any are called for.

oftbewildered2 wrote:
not in any way condoning what is going on at RBH - but all around the country hospital trusts are in the same dire position, having been forced into a corner by the government's targets and number crunching. Not saying this is right, but honestly, all this data and targets being set by Government is ridiculous. Each individual Trust should set its own, if any are called for.

Cliff Morris should have stuck to running the town not the hospital you run hospitals with people of exposure to the health service. Not running a town bably.

When are we finally going to get it? The failure of the NHS is being deliberately engineered with a view to justifying privatisation.

David Cameron's talk of lack of a moral code in Britain last year, and his playing of the race card are hypocrisy.

It is not freeloading foreigners who are abusing our National Health Service, as claimed by David Cameron. The real freeloaders are the politicians –mainly Conservative- who have personal financial interests in private health companies, consultancies, and associated businesses. The political system over which Mr Cameron presides and which is at the heart of the destruction (the privatisation) of our NHS is rotten to the core.


What moral code was the Conservative party following when, in opposition, Andrew Lansley’s private office was funded to the tune of £21,000 by a private health company, Care UK?

What moral code was it following whereby the consultancy firm (McKinsey) which in 2009 called on the NHS to find so-called “efficiency savings” of £4 billion every year for five years (which have led to the cuts now being imposed) has earned at least £13.8 million from Government health policy since the Coalition took office, at the same time as nurses and other NHS staff face the sack?


And what sort of moral code is it by which £14.7m of our taxes (equivalent to the annual salaries of 750 nurses), is now being used to silence NHS whistleblowers, who would expose a situation in which, as a result of those cuts, the ability of NHS staff to fulfil their duties has been compromised, costing the lives and the health of NHS patients?


The same consultancy firm which called for those cuts which are now crippling our NHS was influential in the drafting of The Health and Social Care Act 2012. In the process it has ensured that it is private health companies who will be spending the £60 to £80 billion of "commissioning", or health care funds, which will be transferred from the abolished PCTs to the CCGs, clinical commissioning groups
(one of which has just been on a jolly at our expense, while nurses worry about their jobs).

NHS General Practitioners (one third of whom we now learn have financial interests in private health companies) will have neither the time nor the skills to manage those funds.


Moral code indeed: the attack on our NHS is an attack on social justice, and on the very fabric of British society which must be vigorously stopped in its tracks.

And another thing.
Re story: ‘I could have died of septicaemia if I hadn’t found it’, says young mother'

Heather Edwards, head of communications at the Trust, said:

“This was not a ‘never’ event and was not a retained swab, but involved some other material which was used entirely appropriately.

Heather Edwards is talking tripe.
1. That event should "never" have happened.
2. The article was "retained" in the patient.
3. And having been retained, was used entirely "inappropriately".

Puffin-Billy wrote:
When are we finally going to get it? The failure of the NHS is being deliberately engineered with a view to justifying privatisation.

David Cameron's talk of lack of a moral code in Britain last year, and his playing of the race card are hypocrisy.

It is not freeloading foreigners who are abusing our National Health Service, as claimed by David Cameron. The real freeloaders are the politicians –mainly Conservative- who have personal financial interests in private health companies, consultancies, and associated businesses. The political system over which Mr Cameron presides and which is at the heart of the destruction (the privatisation) of our NHS is rotten to the core.


What moral code was the Conservative party following when, in opposition, Andrew Lansley’s private office was funded to the tune of £21,000 by a private health company, Care UK?

What moral code was it following whereby the consultancy firm (McKinsey) which in 2009 called on the NHS to find so-called “efficiency savings” of £4 billion every year for five years (which have led to the cuts now being imposed) has earned at least £13.8 million from Government health policy since the Coalition took office, at the same time as nurses and other NHS staff face the sack?


And what sort of moral code is it by which £14.7m of our taxes (equivalent to the annual salaries of 750 nurses), is now being used to silence NHS whistleblowers, who would expose a situation in which, as a result of those cuts, the ability of NHS staff to fulfil their duties has been compromised, costing the lives and the health of NHS patients?


The same consultancy firm which called for those cuts which are now crippling our NHS was influential in the drafting of The Health and Social Care Act 2012. In the process it has ensured that it is private health companies who will be spending the £60 to £80 billion of "commissioning"
, or health care funds, which will be transferred from the abolished PCTs to the CCGs, clinical commissioning groups
(one of which has just been on a jolly at our expense, while nurses worry about their jobs).

NHS General Practitioners (one third of whom we now learn have financial interests in private health companies) will have neither the time nor the skills to manage those funds.


Moral code indeed: the attack on our NHS is an attack on social justice, and on the very fabric of British society which must be vigorously stopped in its tracks.

Then why did the clowns on the board resign just as the news hit the fan. hmmmmmmh

Mr Morris's 80% pay rise hmmmmmh fleecing the role for all he could take .

Labour fleecing the state for all they can get and more thats why the country is broke,

"Mainly Conservative". Liberal, and Labour - they're all in it together.

grimtown wrote:

Puffin-Billy wrote:
When are we finally going to get it? The failure of the NHS is being deliberately engineered with a view to justifying privatisation.

David Cameron's talk of lack of a moral code in Britain last year, and his playing of the race card are hypocrisy.

It is not freeloading foreigners who are abusing our National Health Service, as claimed by David Cameron. The real freeloaders are the politicians –mainly Conservative- who have personal financial interests in private health companies, consultancies, and associated businesses. The political system over which Mr Cameron presides and which is at the heart of the destruction (the privatisation) of our NHS is rotten to the core.


What moral code was the Conservative party following when, in opposition, Andrew Lansley’s private office was funded to the tune of £21,000 by a private health company, Care UK?

What moral code was it following whereby the consultancy firm (McKinsey) which in 2009 called on the NHS to find so-called “efficiency savings” of £4 billion every year for five years (which have led to the cuts now being imposed) has earned at least £13.8 million from Government health policy since the Coalition took office, at the same time as nurses and other NHS staff face the sack?


And what sort of moral code is it by which £14.7m of our taxes (equivalent to the annual salaries of 750 nurses), is now being used to silence NHS whistleblowers, who would expose a situation in which, as a result of those cuts, the ability of NHS staff to fulfil their duties has been compromised, costing the lives and the health of NHS patients?


The same consultancy firm which called for those cuts which are now crippling our NHS was influential in the drafting of The Health and Social Care Act 2012. In the process it has ensured that it is private health companies who will be spending the £60 to £80 billion of "commissioning"

, or health care funds, which will be transferred from the abolished PCTs to the CCGs, clinical commissioning groups
(one of which has just been on a jolly at our expense, while nurses worry about their jobs).

NHS General Practitioners (one third of whom we now learn have financial interests in private health companies) will have neither the time nor the skills to manage those funds.


Moral code indeed: the attack on our NHS is an attack on social justice, and on the very fabric of British society which must be vigorously stopped in its tracks.

Then why did the clowns on the board resign just as the news hit the fan. hmmmmmmh

Mr Morris's 80% pay rise hmmmmmh fleecing the role for all he could take .

Labour fleecing the state for all they can get and more thats why the country is broke,

Comrade, what morale code was the labour government working to when:

It took us into an illegal war in Iraq
It contracted with private medical companies to reduce waiting lists
It allowed banks to run riot without rigorous supervision
It had Peter Mandelson as part of its inner core
It had Tony Blair as leader - the greatest champagne socialist of all time
Gordon Brown - Hmmmmm, what to say about him? Well intentioned perhaps but not exactly a full shilling.
I could go on comrade but haven't the time.

grimtown wrote:

Puffin-Billy wrote:
When are we finally going to get it? The failure of the NHS is being deliberately engineered with a view to justifying privatisation.

David Cameron's talk of lack of a moral code in Britain last year, and his playing of the race card are hypocrisy.

It is not freeloading foreigners who are abusing our National Health Service, as claimed by David Cameron. The real freeloaders are the politicians –mainly Conservative- who have personal financial interests in private health companies, consultancies, and associated businesses. The political system over which Mr Cameron presides and which is at the heart of the destruction (the privatisation) of our NHS is rotten to the core.


What moral code was the Conservative party following when, in opposition, Andrew Lansley’s private office was funded to the tune of £21,000 by a private health company, Care UK?

What moral code was it following whereby the consultancy firm (McKinsey) which in 2009 called on the NHS to find so-called “efficiency savings” of £4 billion every year for five years (which have led to the cuts now being imposed) has earned at least £13.8 million from Government health policy since the Coalition took office, at the same time as nurses and other NHS staff face the sack?


And what sort of moral code is it by which £14.7m of our taxes (equivalent to the annual salaries of 750 nurses), is now being used to silence NHS whistleblowers, who would expose a situation in which, as a result of those cuts, the ability of NHS staff to fulfil their duties has been compromised, costing the lives and the health of NHS patients?


The same consultancy firm which called for those cuts which are now crippling our NHS was influential in the drafting of The Health and Social Care Act 2012. In the process it has ensured that it is private health companies who will be spending the £60 to £80 billion of "commissioning"

, or health care funds, which will be transferred from the abolished PCTs to the CCGs, clinical commissioning groups
(one of which has just been on a jolly at our expense, while nurses worry about their jobs).

NHS General Practitioners (one third of whom we now learn have financial interests in private health companies) will have neither the time nor the skills to manage those funds.


Moral code indeed: the attack on our NHS is an attack on social justice, and on the very fabric of British society which must be vigorously stopped in its tracks.

Then why did the clowns on the board resign just as the news hit the fan. hmmmmmmh

Mr Morris's 80% pay rise hmmmmmh fleecing the role for all he could take .

Labour fleecing the state for all they can get and more thats why the country is broke,

Loop, the reply below is meant for puffin billy!

Comrade, what morale code was the labour government working to when:

It took us into an illegal war in Iraq
It contracted with private medical companies to reduce waiting lists
It allowed banks to run riot without rigorous supervision
It had Peter Mandelson as part of its inner core
It had Tony Blair as leader - the greatest champagne socialist of all time
Gordon Brown - Hmmmmm, what to say about him? Well intentioned perhaps but not exactly a full shilling.
I could go on comrade but haven't the time.