UPDATED: Two traveller caravans return to Culcheth despite being moved on

The Bolton News: Travellers take up residence in Culcheth Travellers take up residence in Culcheth

A GROUP of travellers, which set up camp on the village green in the centre of Culcheth, have been moved on.

But Culcheth resident Jim Fox has denied that this is the case as two caravans have returned to the site.

He said: "From what I can see they have left a mess behind. There are still two caravans there.

"I heard there were some problems last night with people making threats."

The council carried out a site visit this morning following reports from concerned residents after the travellers descended on to the land.

Police also attended the site yesterday evening, Wednesday.

It is believed around 20 caravans had parked up on the land. 

In a joint statement, Helen Jones Warrington North MP, Clr Chris Vobe and Clr Matt Smith (Culcheth, Glazebury and Croft - LAB) said: "It is disgraceful that these people can get on to the village green and confront residents. 

"Everyone, whatever lifestyle they choose, should obey the law."

It is understood that the majority of the group moved on from Culcheth at around 11am this morning after taking up residence on the land yesterday evening. 

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1:22pm Thu 10 Jul 14

HappyMisery says...

Just to correct Jim Fox, myself, my wife, my neighbour tried to prevent access to the common by parking in the parking spaces adjacent to the field. The "travellers" started throwing bricks and stones at the cars in an attempt to make us move our vehicles. One lady, was attacked in her car after the "travellers" pulled a parking sign out of the ground and started hitting the car roof to make her move her vehicle. We were then surrounded by about 20 aggressive travellers shouting threats that they'd destroy the park and village if we didn't move which is when I dialled 999 because the "travellers" started threatening to stab people walking past.

Last night, in addition to the incident on the car park, 2 teens from the area were threatened out side the Co Op by traveller children with knives. To be clear, it wasn't the residents of Culcheth issuing the threats.
Just to correct Jim Fox, myself, my wife, my neighbour tried to prevent access to the common by parking in the parking spaces adjacent to the field. The "travellers" started throwing bricks and stones at the cars in an attempt to make us move our vehicles. One lady, was attacked in her car after the "travellers" pulled a parking sign out of the ground and started hitting the car roof to make her move her vehicle. We were then surrounded by about 20 aggressive travellers shouting threats that they'd destroy the park and village if we didn't move which is when I dialled 999 because the "travellers" started threatening to stab people walking past. Last night, in addition to the incident on the car park, 2 teens from the area were threatened out side the Co Op by traveller children with knives. To be clear, it wasn't the residents of Culcheth issuing the threats. HappyMisery
  • Score: 49

3:04pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Daz@SankeyviaOrford says...

They do not give a monkeys about town folk or law n order. They scam people out of money, don't pay taxes, fly tip all over, have no education (by choice). Have no respect and are rats !
They do not give a monkeys about town folk or law n order. They scam people out of money, don't pay taxes, fly tip all over, have no education (by choice). Have no respect and are rats ! Daz@SankeyviaOrford
  • Score: 38

3:43pm Thu 10 Jul 14

PageA says...

Daz@SankeyviaOrford wrote:
They do not give a monkeys about town folk or law n order. They scam people out of money, don't pay taxes, fly tip all over, have no education (by choice). Have no respect and are rats !
Rats?!?

Oh you mean like the way that Nazi propaganda film referred to the jews?

Here it is. http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=U2Iazwru7
yE

About 3 minutes in is where you and the Nazi's use the same words to describe human beings.

Helen Jones Warrington North MP, Clr Chris Vobe and Clr Matt Smith (Culcheth, Glazebury and Croft - LAB) ...There are people who have lived on the outskirts of British society for 100's of years. You've had enough time to realise that it's in their blood not to sit still where you put them. What's the big plan, apart from kicking off in the local paper every time it happens? Seriously...this problem isnt going away. What's the big plan? Should we round them all up Daz?
[quote][p][bold]Daz@SankeyviaOrford[/bold] wrote: They do not give a monkeys about town folk or law n order. They scam people out of money, don't pay taxes, fly tip all over, have no education (by choice). Have no respect and are rats ![/p][/quote]Rats?!? Oh you mean like the way that Nazi propaganda film referred to the jews? Here it is. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=U2Iazwru7 yE About 3 minutes in is where you and the Nazi's use the same words to describe human beings. Helen Jones Warrington North MP, Clr Chris Vobe and Clr Matt Smith (Culcheth, Glazebury and Croft - LAB) ...There are people who have lived on the outskirts of British society for 100's of years. You've had enough time to realise that it's in their blood not to sit still where you put them. What's the big plan, apart from kicking off in the local paper every time it happens? Seriously...this problem isnt going away. What's the big plan? Should we round them all up Daz? PageA
  • Score: -44

4:24pm Thu 10 Jul 14

HappyMisery says...

PageA wrote:
Daz@SankeyviaOrford wrote:
They do not give a monkeys about town folk or law n order. They scam people out of money, don't pay taxes, fly tip all over, have no education (by choice). Have no respect and are rats !
Rats?!?

Oh you mean like the way that Nazi propaganda film referred to the jews?

Here it is. http://www.youtube.c

om/watch?v=U2Iazwru7

yE

About 3 minutes in is where you and the Nazi's use the same words to describe human beings.

Helen Jones Warrington North MP, Clr Chris Vobe and Clr Matt Smith (Culcheth, Glazebury and Croft - LAB) ...There are people who have lived on the outskirts of British society for 100's of years. You've had enough time to realise that it's in their blood not to sit still where you put them. What's the big plan, apart from kicking off in the local paper every time it happens? Seriously...this problem isnt going away. What's the big plan? Should we round them all up Daz?
Attacking people in car parks, believe it or not PageA, is actually a criminal offence. So yes, round them up and put them in cells until a trial. Same as every other member of society who chooses to flout the laws of the land.
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Daz@SankeyviaOrford[/bold] wrote: They do not give a monkeys about town folk or law n order. They scam people out of money, don't pay taxes, fly tip all over, have no education (by choice). Have no respect and are rats ![/p][/quote]Rats?!? Oh you mean like the way that Nazi propaganda film referred to the jews? Here it is. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=U2Iazwru7 yE About 3 minutes in is where you and the Nazi's use the same words to describe human beings. Helen Jones Warrington North MP, Clr Chris Vobe and Clr Matt Smith (Culcheth, Glazebury and Croft - LAB) ...There are people who have lived on the outskirts of British society for 100's of years. You've had enough time to realise that it's in their blood not to sit still where you put them. What's the big plan, apart from kicking off in the local paper every time it happens? Seriously...this problem isnt going away. What's the big plan? Should we round them all up Daz?[/p][/quote]Attacking people in car parks, believe it or not PageA, is actually a criminal offence. So yes, round them up and put them in cells until a trial. Same as every other member of society who chooses to flout the laws of the land. HappyMisery
  • Score: 42

4:29pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Daz@SankeyviaOrford says...

PageA wrote:
Daz@SankeyviaOrford wrote:
They do not give a monkeys about town folk or law n order. They scam people out of money, don't pay taxes, fly tip all over, have no education (by choice). Have no respect and are rats !
Rats?!?

Oh you mean like the way that Nazi propaganda film referred to the jews?

Here it is. http://www.youtube.c

om/watch?v=U2Iazwru7

yE

About 3 minutes in is where you and the Nazi's use the same words to describe human beings.

Helen Jones Warrington North MP, Clr Chris Vobe and Clr Matt Smith (Culcheth, Glazebury and Croft - LAB) ...There are people who have lived on the outskirts of British society for 100's of years. You've had enough time to realise that it's in their blood not to sit still where you put them. What's the big plan, apart from kicking off in the local paper every time it happens? Seriously...this problem isnt going away. What's the big plan? Should we round them all up Daz?
PageA I understand there have been people living on the fringes of society and you are right they will not change. You are right this is not going away and yes we will always have lots of rants in the local paper! That is justified because these people like I said before have no respect for civil society and will continue acting like they do. As for your reference to nazi's using rats as a reference bares absolutely no significance to why I called them rats. As for you referring to "rounding them up". I don't know what you are taking me for but rest assured you are way of the mark. I stand by my first comments.
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Daz@SankeyviaOrford[/bold] wrote: They do not give a monkeys about town folk or law n order. They scam people out of money, don't pay taxes, fly tip all over, have no education (by choice). Have no respect and are rats ![/p][/quote]Rats?!? Oh you mean like the way that Nazi propaganda film referred to the jews? Here it is. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=U2Iazwru7 yE About 3 minutes in is where you and the Nazi's use the same words to describe human beings. Helen Jones Warrington North MP, Clr Chris Vobe and Clr Matt Smith (Culcheth, Glazebury and Croft - LAB) ...There are people who have lived on the outskirts of British society for 100's of years. You've had enough time to realise that it's in their blood not to sit still where you put them. What's the big plan, apart from kicking off in the local paper every time it happens? Seriously...this problem isnt going away. What's the big plan? Should we round them all up Daz?[/p][/quote]PageA I understand there have been people living on the fringes of society and you are right they will not change. You are right this is not going away and yes we will always have lots of rants in the local paper! That is justified because these people like I said before have no respect for civil society and will continue acting like they do. As for your reference to nazi's using rats as a reference bares absolutely no significance to why I called them rats. As for you referring to "rounding them up". I don't know what you are taking me for but rest assured you are way of the mark. I stand by my first comments. Daz@SankeyviaOrford
  • Score: 25

4:34pm Thu 10 Jul 14

tarasmum says...

Daz@SankeyviaOrford wrote:
They do not give a monkeys about town folk or law n order. They scam people out of money, don't pay taxes, fly tip all over, have no education (by choice). Have no respect and are rats !
Good post Daz.
[quote][p][bold]Daz@SankeyviaOrford[/bold] wrote: They do not give a monkeys about town folk or law n order. They scam people out of money, don't pay taxes, fly tip all over, have no education (by choice). Have no respect and are rats ![/p][/quote]Good post Daz. tarasmum
  • Score: 19

4:42pm Thu 10 Jul 14

PageA says...

Daz@SankeyviaOrford wrote:
PageA wrote:
Daz@SankeyviaOrford wrote:
They do not give a monkeys about town folk or law n order. They scam people out of money, don't pay taxes, fly tip all over, have no education (by choice). Have no respect and are rats !
Rats?!?

Oh you mean like the way that Nazi propaganda film referred to the jews?

Here it is. http://www.youtube.c


om/watch?v=U2Iazwru7


yE

About 3 minutes in is where you and the Nazi's use the same words to describe human beings.

Helen Jones Warrington North MP, Clr Chris Vobe and Clr Matt Smith (Culcheth, Glazebury and Croft - LAB) ...There are people who have lived on the outskirts of British society for 100's of years. You've had enough time to realise that it's in their blood not to sit still where you put them. What's the big plan, apart from kicking off in the local paper every time it happens? Seriously...this problem isnt going away. What's the big plan? Should we round them all up Daz?
PageA I understand there have been people living on the fringes of society and you are right they will not change. You are right this is not going away and yes we will always have lots of rants in the local paper! That is justified because these people like I said before have no respect for civil society and will continue acting like they do. As for your reference to nazi's using rats as a reference bares absolutely no significance to why I called them rats. As for you referring to "rounding them up". I don't know what you are taking me for but rest assured you are way of the mark. I stand by my first comments.
I disagree, I think your tolerance of mankind has found it's level. Referring to human beings as rats was a tool used by the Nazis to dehumanise them in a similar way that you have used it today and i'm sure Joseph Goebbels stood by his initial comments, as he exterminated millions of his 'rats' These are parents and children who spend their lives in conflict with 'us'. All I'm saying is don't liken them to vermin and what I'm asking is who's got the big idea about how we can sort this? 'cos you hate them and they hate you..you're not going to stop living in houses and they're not going to stop moving about in caravans..So?
[quote][p][bold]Daz@SankeyviaOrford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Daz@SankeyviaOrford[/bold] wrote: They do not give a monkeys about town folk or law n order. They scam people out of money, don't pay taxes, fly tip all over, have no education (by choice). Have no respect and are rats ![/p][/quote]Rats?!? Oh you mean like the way that Nazi propaganda film referred to the jews? Here it is. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=U2Iazwru7 yE About 3 minutes in is where you and the Nazi's use the same words to describe human beings. Helen Jones Warrington North MP, Clr Chris Vobe and Clr Matt Smith (Culcheth, Glazebury and Croft - LAB) ...There are people who have lived on the outskirts of British society for 100's of years. You've had enough time to realise that it's in their blood not to sit still where you put them. What's the big plan, apart from kicking off in the local paper every time it happens? Seriously...this problem isnt going away. What's the big plan? Should we round them all up Daz?[/p][/quote]PageA I understand there have been people living on the fringes of society and you are right they will not change. You are right this is not going away and yes we will always have lots of rants in the local paper! That is justified because these people like I said before have no respect for civil society and will continue acting like they do. As for your reference to nazi's using rats as a reference bares absolutely no significance to why I called them rats. As for you referring to "rounding them up". I don't know what you are taking me for but rest assured you are way of the mark. I stand by my first comments.[/p][/quote]I disagree, I think your tolerance of mankind has found it's level. Referring to human beings as rats was a tool used by the Nazis to dehumanise them in a similar way that you have used it today and i'm sure Joseph Goebbels stood by his initial comments, as he exterminated millions of his 'rats' These are parents and children who spend their lives in conflict with 'us'. All I'm saying is don't liken them to vermin and what I'm asking is who's got the big idea about how we can sort this? 'cos you hate them and they hate you..you're not going to stop living in houses and they're not going to stop moving about in caravans..So? PageA
  • Score: -30

4:43pm Thu 10 Jul 14

PageA says...

tarasmum wrote:
Daz@SankeyviaOrford wrote:
They do not give a monkeys about town folk or law n order. They scam people out of money, don't pay taxes, fly tip all over, have no education (by choice). Have no respect and are rats !
Good post Daz.
Haha! good post Daz from Tarasmum...I rest my case
[quote][p][bold]tarasmum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Daz@SankeyviaOrford[/bold] wrote: They do not give a monkeys about town folk or law n order. They scam people out of money, don't pay taxes, fly tip all over, have no education (by choice). Have no respect and are rats ![/p][/quote]Good post Daz.[/p][/quote]Haha! good post Daz from Tarasmum...I rest my case PageA
  • Score: -10

4:48pm Thu 10 Jul 14

PageA says...

HappyMisery wrote:
PageA wrote:
Daz@SankeyviaOrford wrote:
They do not give a monkeys about town folk or law n order. They scam people out of money, don't pay taxes, fly tip all over, have no education (by choice). Have no respect and are rats !
Rats?!?

Oh you mean like the way that Nazi propaganda film referred to the jews?

Here it is. http://www.youtube.c


om/watch?v=U2Iazwru7


yE

About 3 minutes in is where you and the Nazi's use the same words to describe human beings.

Helen Jones Warrington North MP, Clr Chris Vobe and Clr Matt Smith (Culcheth, Glazebury and Croft - LAB) ...There are people who have lived on the outskirts of British society for 100's of years. You've had enough time to realise that it's in their blood not to sit still where you put them. What's the big plan, apart from kicking off in the local paper every time it happens? Seriously...this problem isnt going away. What's the big plan? Should we round them all up Daz?
Attacking people in car parks, believe it or not PageA, is actually a criminal offence. So yes, round them up and put them in cells until a trial. Same as every other member of society who chooses to flout the laws of the land.
Goes a bit deeper than that HappyMisery and has gone a bit deeper since before you and I was born. This is 2014 You're not going to stop people from choosing not to tie themselves to bricks and mortar..Some people don't want to work 9-5 everyday of their lives to pay to live so that they can work everyday 9-5. The position we're in is now is no good, unless you think it is? All I'm asking for is a solution that works from the people who are paid to represent us
[quote][p][bold]HappyMisery[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Daz@SankeyviaOrford[/bold] wrote: They do not give a monkeys about town folk or law n order. They scam people out of money, don't pay taxes, fly tip all over, have no education (by choice). Have no respect and are rats ![/p][/quote]Rats?!? Oh you mean like the way that Nazi propaganda film referred to the jews? Here it is. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=U2Iazwru7 yE About 3 minutes in is where you and the Nazi's use the same words to describe human beings. Helen Jones Warrington North MP, Clr Chris Vobe and Clr Matt Smith (Culcheth, Glazebury and Croft - LAB) ...There are people who have lived on the outskirts of British society for 100's of years. You've had enough time to realise that it's in their blood not to sit still where you put them. What's the big plan, apart from kicking off in the local paper every time it happens? Seriously...this problem isnt going away. What's the big plan? Should we round them all up Daz?[/p][/quote]Attacking people in car parks, believe it or not PageA, is actually a criminal offence. So yes, round them up and put them in cells until a trial. Same as every other member of society who chooses to flout the laws of the land.[/p][/quote]Goes a bit deeper than that HappyMisery and has gone a bit deeper since before you and I was born. This is 2014 You're not going to stop people from choosing not to tie themselves to bricks and mortar..Some people don't want to work 9-5 everyday of their lives to pay to live so that they can work everyday 9-5. The position we're in is now is no good, unless you think it is? All I'm asking for is a solution that works from the people who are paid to represent us PageA
  • Score: -24

5:18pm Thu 10 Jul 14

PageA says...

Culcheth! it's 100 years since English and German soldiers crossed no mans land to extend the hand of friendship on Christmas day. One of you make a flask up and go have a brew with your temporary neighbours. Leave them some bin bags and who knows..they might tidy up before they leave
Culcheth! it's 100 years since English and German soldiers crossed no mans land to extend the hand of friendship on Christmas day. One of you make a flask up and go have a brew with your temporary neighbours. Leave them some bin bags and who knows..they might tidy up before they leave PageA
  • Score: -33

5:22pm Thu 10 Jul 14

PageA says...

Why not get Clr Tony Higgins to make cream teas with his own fair hands? Sit down and talk? Just throwing it out there..might be a bit revolutionary
Why not get Clr Tony Higgins to make cream teas with his own fair hands? Sit down and talk? Just throwing it out there..might be a bit revolutionary PageA
  • Score: -19

5:26pm Thu 10 Jul 14

HappyMisery says...

PageA wrote:
Culcheth! it's 100 years since English and German soldiers crossed no mans land to extend the hand of friendship on Christmas day. One of you make a flask up and go have a brew with your temporary neighbours. Leave them some bin bags and who knows..they might tidy up before they leave
We did give leave them binbags.

They left the binbags on the park and also left rubbish strewn on the common along with human excrement and huge oil patches.
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote: Culcheth! it's 100 years since English and German soldiers crossed no mans land to extend the hand of friendship on Christmas day. One of you make a flask up and go have a brew with your temporary neighbours. Leave them some bin bags and who knows..they might tidy up before they leave[/p][/quote]We did give leave them binbags. They left the binbags on the park and also left rubbish strewn on the common along with human excrement and huge oil patches. HappyMisery
  • Score: 19

5:33pm Thu 10 Jul 14

PageA says...

HappyMisery wrote:
PageA wrote:
Culcheth! it's 100 years since English and German soldiers crossed no mans land to extend the hand of friendship on Christmas day. One of you make a flask up and go have a brew with your temporary neighbours. Leave them some bin bags and who knows..they might tidy up before they leave
We did give leave them binbags.

They left the binbags on the park and also left rubbish strewn on the common along with human excrement and huge oil patches.
Yeh you see that won't work. It's not the going up and giving the people bin bags that would get the result. If you came up to me and put a bin bag in my face and said clean up I would probably be a bit miffed. It's the extending the hand of friendship and working to change people's perceptions that I hoped you'd come back with. What you're describing to me is a complete breakdown in respect between two cultures. No doubt you're a tad more educated than they are, might be time to take the moral high road. I think you might just be the person to build these bridges. Good luck
[quote][p][bold]HappyMisery[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote: Culcheth! it's 100 years since English and German soldiers crossed no mans land to extend the hand of friendship on Christmas day. One of you make a flask up and go have a brew with your temporary neighbours. Leave them some bin bags and who knows..they might tidy up before they leave[/p][/quote]We did give leave them binbags. They left the binbags on the park and also left rubbish strewn on the common along with human excrement and huge oil patches.[/p][/quote]Yeh you see that won't work. It's not the going up and giving the people bin bags that would get the result. If you came up to me and put a bin bag in my face and said clean up I would probably be a bit miffed. It's the extending the hand of friendship and working to change people's perceptions that I hoped you'd come back with. What you're describing to me is a complete breakdown in respect between two cultures. No doubt you're a tad more educated than they are, might be time to take the moral high road. I think you might just be the person to build these bridges. Good luck PageA
  • Score: -23

5:44pm Thu 10 Jul 14

HappyMisery says...

PageA wrote:
HappyMisery wrote:
PageA wrote:
Culcheth! it's 100 years since English and German soldiers crossed no mans land to extend the hand of friendship on Christmas day. One of you make a flask up and go have a brew with your temporary neighbours. Leave them some bin bags and who knows..they might tidy up before they leave
We did give leave them binbags.

They left the binbags on the park and also left rubbish strewn on the common along with human excrement and huge oil patches.
Yeh you see that won't work. It's not the going up and giving the people bin bags that would get the result. If you came up to me and put a bin bag in my face and said clean up I would probably be a bit miffed. It's the extending the hand of friendship and working to change people's perceptions that I hoped you'd come back with. What you're describing to me is a complete breakdown in respect between two cultures. No doubt you're a tad more educated than they are, might be time to take the moral high road. I think you might just be the person to build these bridges. Good luck
Yeh, maybe I'm small minded but I don't tend to extend a hand of friendship to the bloke who threatened to stab me for using a car park 10 minutes earlier. Wake up a bit. This blue sky, harmonious life you want for the world is admirable but isnt going to happen.
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HappyMisery[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote: Culcheth! it's 100 years since English and German soldiers crossed no mans land to extend the hand of friendship on Christmas day. One of you make a flask up and go have a brew with your temporary neighbours. Leave them some bin bags and who knows..they might tidy up before they leave[/p][/quote]We did give leave them binbags. They left the binbags on the park and also left rubbish strewn on the common along with human excrement and huge oil patches.[/p][/quote]Yeh you see that won't work. It's not the going up and giving the people bin bags that would get the result. If you came up to me and put a bin bag in my face and said clean up I would probably be a bit miffed. It's the extending the hand of friendship and working to change people's perceptions that I hoped you'd come back with. What you're describing to me is a complete breakdown in respect between two cultures. No doubt you're a tad more educated than they are, might be time to take the moral high road. I think you might just be the person to build these bridges. Good luck[/p][/quote]Yeh, maybe I'm small minded but I don't tend to extend a hand of friendship to the bloke who threatened to stab me for using a car park 10 minutes earlier. Wake up a bit. This blue sky, harmonious life you want for the world is admirable but isnt going to happen. HappyMisery
  • Score: 29

5:52pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Freeborn John says...

Pagey, is there any group of wrong 'uns on earth you won't make excuses for at the expense of the ordinary people of this country?
Why, just today you were whitewashing the behaviour of the murderer of Gunner Lee Rigby, now you're getting all happy clappy over this lot.
And for your information, far from having lived on the outskirts of British society for hundreds of years (I presume you're referring to genuine Romany Gypsy folk) the majority of 'travellers' owe their roots to the invention of the Transit van and the stolen luxury caravan, having been shooed out of Ireland by the militias in the 70's.
Pagey, is there any group of wrong 'uns on earth you won't make excuses for at the expense of the ordinary people of this country? Why, just today you were whitewashing the behaviour of the murderer of Gunner Lee Rigby, now you're getting all happy clappy over this lot. And for your information, far from having lived on the outskirts of British society for hundreds of years (I presume you're referring to genuine Romany Gypsy folk) the majority of 'travellers' owe their roots to the invention of the Transit van and the stolen luxury caravan, having been shooed out of Ireland by the militias in the 70's. Freeborn John
  • Score: 20

5:54pm Thu 10 Jul 14

PageA says...

HappyMisery wrote:
PageA wrote:
HappyMisery wrote:
PageA wrote:
Culcheth! it's 100 years since English and German soldiers crossed no mans land to extend the hand of friendship on Christmas day. One of you make a flask up and go have a brew with your temporary neighbours. Leave them some bin bags and who knows..they might tidy up before they leave
We did give leave them binbags.

They left the binbags on the park and also left rubbish strewn on the common along with human excrement and huge oil patches.
Yeh you see that won't work. It's not the going up and giving the people bin bags that would get the result. If you came up to me and put a bin bag in my face and said clean up I would probably be a bit miffed. It's the extending the hand of friendship and working to change people's perceptions that I hoped you'd come back with. What you're describing to me is a complete breakdown in respect between two cultures. No doubt you're a tad more educated than they are, might be time to take the moral high road. I think you might just be the person to build these bridges. Good luck
Yeh, maybe I'm small minded but I don't tend to extend a hand of friendship to the bloke who threatened to stab me for using a car park 10 minutes earlier. Wake up a bit. This blue sky, harmonious life you want for the world is admirable but isnt going to happen.
Wake up and be more like... you? No thank you Happy Misery.
He sounds like a bloke at the end of his tether. Confronted every day by people who are offended by his presence. Hounded in the local press. Attacked by residents with baseball bats. Wife and child spat at from passing cars or woken by car horns in the early hours of the morning. You play the bit-part you've been destined for Happy Misery and change nothing.
[quote][p][bold]HappyMisery[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HappyMisery[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote: Culcheth! it's 100 years since English and German soldiers crossed no mans land to extend the hand of friendship on Christmas day. One of you make a flask up and go have a brew with your temporary neighbours. Leave them some bin bags and who knows..they might tidy up before they leave[/p][/quote]We did give leave them binbags. They left the binbags on the park and also left rubbish strewn on the common along with human excrement and huge oil patches.[/p][/quote]Yeh you see that won't work. It's not the going up and giving the people bin bags that would get the result. If you came up to me and put a bin bag in my face and said clean up I would probably be a bit miffed. It's the extending the hand of friendship and working to change people's perceptions that I hoped you'd come back with. What you're describing to me is a complete breakdown in respect between two cultures. No doubt you're a tad more educated than they are, might be time to take the moral high road. I think you might just be the person to build these bridges. Good luck[/p][/quote]Yeh, maybe I'm small minded but I don't tend to extend a hand of friendship to the bloke who threatened to stab me for using a car park 10 minutes earlier. Wake up a bit. This blue sky, harmonious life you want for the world is admirable but isnt going to happen.[/p][/quote]Wake up and be more like... you? No thank you Happy Misery. He sounds like a bloke at the end of his tether. Confronted every day by people who are offended by his presence. Hounded in the local press. Attacked by residents with baseball bats. Wife and child spat at from passing cars or woken by car horns in the early hours of the morning. You play the bit-part you've been destined for Happy Misery and change nothing. PageA
  • Score: -19

6:07pm Thu 10 Jul 14

PageA says...

Freeborn John wrote:
Pagey, is there any group of wrong 'uns on earth you won't make excuses for at the expense of the ordinary people of this country?
Why, just today you were whitewashing the behaviour of the murderer of Gunner Lee Rigby, now you're getting all happy clappy over this lot.
And for your information, far from having lived on the outskirts of British society for hundreds of years (I presume you're referring to genuine Romany Gypsy folk) the majority of 'travellers' owe their roots to the invention of the Transit van and the stolen luxury caravan, having been shooed out of Ireland by the militias in the 70's.
Woah FBJ! I'm still waiting for you on the other post. Stop flitting about making random comments that you can't justify. I wasn't whitewashing behaviour over Lee Rigby I just don't sign up to your conspiracy theories. Lee Rigby was killed by a drug addled psychopath who shouldn't be used as justification for attacking peaceful mosque attending families in Warrington. I'm talking about English Gypsies and Irish Travellers who are recognised as distinct ethnic minority groups in law because they are recognised as members of a community with a shared history stretching back over hundreds of years. As such they are granted the full protection of the Race Relations Act. Please, please..you're obviously capable of using the internet. Do your own research before you post.
[quote][p][bold]Freeborn John[/bold] wrote: Pagey, is there any group of wrong 'uns on earth you won't make excuses for at the expense of the ordinary people of this country? Why, just today you were whitewashing the behaviour of the murderer of Gunner Lee Rigby, now you're getting all happy clappy over this lot. And for your information, far from having lived on the outskirts of British society for hundreds of years (I presume you're referring to genuine Romany Gypsy folk) the majority of 'travellers' owe their roots to the invention of the Transit van and the stolen luxury caravan, having been shooed out of Ireland by the militias in the 70's.[/p][/quote]Woah FBJ! I'm still waiting for you on the other post. Stop flitting about making random comments that you can't justify. I wasn't whitewashing behaviour over Lee Rigby I just don't sign up to your conspiracy theories. Lee Rigby was killed by a drug addled psychopath who shouldn't be used as justification for attacking peaceful mosque attending families in Warrington. I'm talking about English Gypsies and Irish Travellers who are recognised as distinct ethnic minority groups in law because they are recognised as members of a community with a shared history stretching back over hundreds of years. As such they are granted the full protection of the Race Relations Act. Please, please..you're obviously capable of using the internet. Do your own research before you post. PageA
  • Score: -22

7:40pm Thu 10 Jul 14

local man says...

would I like travelers anywhere near my home? No, because of the thefts that suddenly start up, the litter left when they move on, the noise, the intimidation and the scamming offers to fix your hedge / drive / roof.

But I can suggest a solution, broadminded liberal homeowners not like me should offer up their driveway to help this alternative lifestyle find a pigeon hole suitable for today's society. So how about it - any supporters of travelers prepared to put up or shut up - offer them a parking spot and show you care.
would I like travelers anywhere near my home? No, because of the thefts that suddenly start up, the litter left when they move on, the noise, the intimidation and the scamming offers to fix your hedge / drive / roof. But I can suggest a solution, broadminded liberal homeowners not like me should offer up their driveway to help this alternative lifestyle find a pigeon hole suitable for today's society. So how about it - any supporters of travelers prepared to put up or shut up - offer them a parking spot and show you care. local man
  • Score: 21

8:04pm Thu 10 Jul 14

The Maestro says...

PageA wrote:
Culcheth! it's 100 years since English and German soldiers crossed no mans land to extend the hand of friendship on Christmas day. One of you make a flask up and go have a brew with your temporary neighbours. Leave them some bin bags and who knows..they might tidy up before they leave
What planet do you live on? WBC give them bin bags and they still make a mess. Its time we followed Scotland and the RoI and make trespass illegal. If they want to travel around that's fine BUT they park up in a proper camp site like any other normal person does
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote: Culcheth! it's 100 years since English and German soldiers crossed no mans land to extend the hand of friendship on Christmas day. One of you make a flask up and go have a brew with your temporary neighbours. Leave them some bin bags and who knows..they might tidy up before they leave[/p][/quote]What planet do you live on? WBC give them bin bags and they still make a mess. Its time we followed Scotland and the RoI and make trespass illegal. If they want to travel around that's fine BUT they park up in a proper camp site like any other normal person does The Maestro
  • Score: 22

8:05pm Thu 10 Jul 14

PageA says...

local man wrote:
would I like travelers anywhere near my home? No, because of the thefts that suddenly start up, the litter left when they move on, the noise, the intimidation and the scamming offers to fix your hedge / drive / roof.

But I can suggest a solution, broadminded liberal homeowners not like me should offer up their driveway to help this alternative lifestyle find a pigeon hole suitable for today's society. So how about it - any supporters of travelers prepared to put up or shut up - offer them a parking spot and show you care.
i don't think you're being sincere. What you're really proposing is that things stay the same and the battling continues. Check out the brain on you
[quote][p][bold]local man[/bold] wrote: would I like travelers anywhere near my home? No, because of the thefts that suddenly start up, the litter left when they move on, the noise, the intimidation and the scamming offers to fix your hedge / drive / roof. But I can suggest a solution, broadminded liberal homeowners not like me should offer up their driveway to help this alternative lifestyle find a pigeon hole suitable for today's society. So how about it - any supporters of travelers prepared to put up or shut up - offer them a parking spot and show you care.[/p][/quote]i don't think you're being sincere. What you're really proposing is that things stay the same and the battling continues. Check out the brain on you PageA
  • Score: -18

8:09pm Thu 10 Jul 14

PageA says...

The Maestro wrote:
PageA wrote:
Culcheth! it's 100 years since English and German soldiers crossed no mans land to extend the hand of friendship on Christmas day. One of you make a flask up and go have a brew with your temporary neighbours. Leave them some bin bags and who knows..they might tidy up before they leave
What planet do you live on? WBC give them bin bags and they still make a mess. Its time we followed Scotland and the RoI and make trespass illegal. If they want to travel around that's fine BUT they park up in a proper camp site like any other normal person does
I live in a country where local papers are full of people like you kicking off because travellers have pulled up near your home. Yep, man from the council with a high viz giving them bin bags is much better than people talking to each other, don't know why i didn't think of that myself. Maybe more council officers handing out more bags would make things even better. You'd prefer to restrict everyone's right to roam rather than put a bit of effort in...That makes no sense to me
[quote][p][bold]The Maestro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote: Culcheth! it's 100 years since English and German soldiers crossed no mans land to extend the hand of friendship on Christmas day. One of you make a flask up and go have a brew with your temporary neighbours. Leave them some bin bags and who knows..they might tidy up before they leave[/p][/quote]What planet do you live on? WBC give them bin bags and they still make a mess. Its time we followed Scotland and the RoI and make trespass illegal. If they want to travel around that's fine BUT they park up in a proper camp site like any other normal person does[/p][/quote]I live in a country where local papers are full of people like you kicking off because travellers have pulled up near your home. Yep, man from the council with a high viz giving them bin bags is much better than people talking to each other, don't know why i didn't think of that myself. Maybe more council officers handing out more bags would make things even better. You'd prefer to restrict everyone's right to roam rather than put a bit of effort in...That makes no sense to me PageA
  • Score: -26

11:02pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Cheap Mower says...

Page A, do you have wifi in your caravan? Don't go wasting all the tax payers money on your internet / data posting comments on here
Page A, do you have wifi in your caravan? Don't go wasting all the tax payers money on your internet / data posting comments on here Cheap Mower
  • Score: 16

8:09am Fri 11 Jul 14

PageA says...

Cheap Mower wrote:
Page A, do you have wifi in your caravan? Don't go wasting all the tax payers money on your internet / data posting comments on here
That's very funny, you're a very funny man. You pay tax...that's a great achievement , worthy of note in your insignificant little life. Well done you. Now...when we going to sort this issue with travellers then?
[quote][p][bold]Cheap Mower[/bold] wrote: Page A, do you have wifi in your caravan? Don't go wasting all the tax payers money on your internet / data posting comments on here[/p][/quote]That's very funny, you're a very funny man. You pay tax...that's a great achievement , worthy of note in your insignificant little life. Well done you. Now...when we going to sort this issue with travellers then? PageA
  • Score: -17

12:08pm Fri 11 Jul 14

HappyMisery says...

Absolutely nothing because they're not willing to make any effort to integrate so sod them.
Absolutely nothing because they're not willing to make any effort to integrate so sod them. HappyMisery
  • Score: 10

12:16pm Fri 11 Jul 14

PageA says...

HappyMisery wrote:
Absolutely nothing because they're not willing to make any effort to integrate so sod them.
Yes, I'm aware of lots of conflict around the world that gets solved when your stance is adopted. It's going to take someone to be the bigger man. Do we have a bigger man in Culcheth? 'cos as sure as eggs are eggs..it aint you
[quote][p][bold]HappyMisery[/bold] wrote: Absolutely nothing because they're not willing to make any effort to integrate so sod them.[/p][/quote]Yes, I'm aware of lots of conflict around the world that gets solved when your stance is adopted. It's going to take someone to be the bigger man. Do we have a bigger man in Culcheth? 'cos as sure as eggs are eggs..it aint you PageA
  • Score: -11

12:37pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Cheap Mower says...

PageA wrote:
Cheap Mower wrote:
Page A, do you have wifi in your caravan? Don't go wasting all the tax payers money on your internet / data posting comments on here
That's very funny, you're a very funny man. You pay tax...that's a great achievement , worthy of note in your insignificant little life. Well done you. Now...when we going to sort this issue with travellers then?
Maybe tell them that the road out of Culcheth needs resurfacing and that there being given the job, they'll do part of it, take the money and sod off.

Simples
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cheap Mower[/bold] wrote: Page A, do you have wifi in your caravan? Don't go wasting all the tax payers money on your internet / data posting comments on here[/p][/quote]That's very funny, you're a very funny man. You pay tax...that's a great achievement , worthy of note in your insignificant little life. Well done you. Now...when we going to sort this issue with travellers then?[/p][/quote]Maybe tell them that the road out of Culcheth needs resurfacing and that there being given the job, they'll do part of it, take the money and sod off. Simples Cheap Mower
  • Score: 8

1:30pm Fri 11 Jul 14

PageA says...

Cheap Mower wrote:
PageA wrote:
Cheap Mower wrote:
Page A, do you have wifi in your caravan? Don't go wasting all the tax payers money on your internet / data posting comments on here
That's very funny, you're a very funny man. You pay tax...that's a great achievement , worthy of note in your insignificant little life. Well done you. Now...when we going to sort this issue with travellers then?
Maybe tell them that the road out of Culcheth needs resurfacing and that there being given the job, they'll do part of it, take the money and sod off.

Simples
You're wasted on here funny man. Learn to spell and the world is your oyster
[quote][p][bold]Cheap Mower[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cheap Mower[/bold] wrote: Page A, do you have wifi in your caravan? Don't go wasting all the tax payers money on your internet / data posting comments on here[/p][/quote]That's very funny, you're a very funny man. You pay tax...that's a great achievement , worthy of note in your insignificant little life. Well done you. Now...when we going to sort this issue with travellers then?[/p][/quote]Maybe tell them that the road out of Culcheth needs resurfacing and that there being given the job, they'll do part of it, take the money and sod off. Simples[/p][/quote]You're wasted on here funny man. Learn to spell and the world is your oyster PageA
  • Score: -11

5:26pm Fri 11 Jul 14

HappyMisery says...

PageA wrote:
HappyMisery wrote:
Absolutely nothing because they're not willing to make any effort to integrate so sod them.
Yes, I'm aware of lots of conflict around the world that gets solved when your stance is adopted. It's going to take someone to be the bigger man. Do we have a bigger man in Culcheth? 'cos as sure as eggs are eggs..it aint you
How do you feel about animal rights? Just wondered as your tower seems to be made of ivory.....
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HappyMisery[/bold] wrote: Absolutely nothing because they're not willing to make any effort to integrate so sod them.[/p][/quote]Yes, I'm aware of lots of conflict around the world that gets solved when your stance is adopted. It's going to take someone to be the bigger man. Do we have a bigger man in Culcheth? 'cos as sure as eggs are eggs..it aint you[/p][/quote]How do you feel about animal rights? Just wondered as your tower seems to be made of ivory..... HappyMisery
  • Score: 13

12:00am Sat 12 Jul 14

PageA says...

HappyMisery wrote:
PageA wrote:
HappyMisery wrote:
Absolutely nothing because they're not willing to make any effort to integrate so sod them.
Yes, I'm aware of lots of conflict around the world that gets solved when your stance is adopted. It's going to take someone to be the bigger man. Do we have a bigger man in Culcheth? 'cos as sure as eggs are eggs..it aint you
How do you feel about animal rights? Just wondered as your tower seems to be made of ivory.....
I think you just need to think about things. You're wasting your time venting at me. I asked a fool not to describe an ethnic group as being vermin, which I feel happy about doing. You said nothing..I dont think like you that doesnt mean I think I'm perfect. If i see I bigotry, injustice and intolerance I challenge it. As we all should, unless we agree with bigotry, injustice and intolerance. What I asked you to do was consider the s*** those people go through every day just to get to sleep at the end of the day and think how that might alter a persons perception of the world around them and how they interact with others. That doesnt mean I live in an ivory tower.
[quote][p][bold]HappyMisery[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HappyMisery[/bold] wrote: Absolutely nothing because they're not willing to make any effort to integrate so sod them.[/p][/quote]Yes, I'm aware of lots of conflict around the world that gets solved when your stance is adopted. It's going to take someone to be the bigger man. Do we have a bigger man in Culcheth? 'cos as sure as eggs are eggs..it aint you[/p][/quote]How do you feel about animal rights? Just wondered as your tower seems to be made of ivory.....[/p][/quote]I think you just need to think about things. You're wasting your time venting at me. I asked a fool not to describe an ethnic group as being vermin, which I feel happy about doing. You said nothing..I dont think like you that doesnt mean I think I'm perfect. If i see I bigotry, injustice and intolerance I challenge it. As we all should, unless we agree with bigotry, injustice and intolerance. What I asked you to do was consider the s*** those people go through every day just to get to sleep at the end of the day and think how that might alter a persons perception of the world around them and how they interact with others. That doesnt mean I live in an ivory tower. PageA
  • Score: -6

8:36am Sat 12 Jul 14

local man says...

PageA wrote:
local man wrote:
would I like travelers anywhere near my home? No, because of the thefts that suddenly start up, the litter left when they move on, the noise, the intimidation and the scamming offers to fix your hedge / drive / roof.

But I can suggest a solution, broadminded liberal homeowners not like me should offer up their driveway to help this alternative lifestyle find a pigeon hole suitable for today's society. So how about it - any supporters of travelers prepared to put up or shut up - offer them a parking spot and show you care.
i don't think you're being sincere. What you're really proposing is that things stay the same and the battling continues. Check out the brain on you
I am sincere, people NOT like me should offer up their driveway. I won't because I believe from first hand experience dealing with the public (for well over 20 years in a retail superstore) that about 2% of the general public steal if they think they can get away with it, and that about 90% of travelers do. Ive seen travelers kick over displays when they think no one's watching just for the hell of it, smash items in store for no reason and when you do deal with an incident the violence and threats that follow are horrendous.
In a decent size retail unit with spot on security we detained over 200 people per year for theft, in areas with real crime problems we had 3 full time security as a deterrent and still detained over 100 per year. Ive worked throughout the north west, from Liverpool to Manchester, from Crewe to Blackpool, Blackburn to Bolton, St Helens to Ellesmere Port, Chester to ... well you get the picture. I can categorically say from my experience travelers are the worst people to deal with, forget the chav, scouser or manc slurs, they aren't even close. If you think you can help them feel free. I think the life of crime, dishonesty, aggression and anti social behavior is ingrained into some elements of our society by family tradition and example, and the traveling community fit this category.
Do you have any experience of dealing with travelers you would like to share to give a balanced view, I cant think of any examples to show them in a better light.
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]local man[/bold] wrote: would I like travelers anywhere near my home? No, because of the thefts that suddenly start up, the litter left when they move on, the noise, the intimidation and the scamming offers to fix your hedge / drive / roof. But I can suggest a solution, broadminded liberal homeowners not like me should offer up their driveway to help this alternative lifestyle find a pigeon hole suitable for today's society. So how about it - any supporters of travelers prepared to put up or shut up - offer them a parking spot and show you care.[/p][/quote]i don't think you're being sincere. What you're really proposing is that things stay the same and the battling continues. Check out the brain on you[/p][/quote]I am sincere, people NOT like me should offer up their driveway. I won't because I believe from first hand experience dealing with the public (for well over 20 years in a retail superstore) that about 2% of the general public steal if they think they can get away with it, and that about 90% of travelers do. Ive seen travelers kick over displays when they think no one's watching just for the hell of it, smash items in store for no reason and when you do deal with an incident the violence and threats that follow are horrendous. In a decent size retail unit with spot on security we detained over 200 people per year for theft, in areas with real crime problems we had 3 full time security as a deterrent and still detained over 100 per year. Ive worked throughout the north west, from Liverpool to Manchester, from Crewe to Blackpool, Blackburn to Bolton, St Helens to Ellesmere Port, Chester to ... well you get the picture. I can categorically say from my experience travelers are the worst people to deal with, forget the chav, scouser or manc slurs, they aren't even close. If you think you can help them feel free. I think the life of crime, dishonesty, aggression and anti social behavior is ingrained into some elements of our society by family tradition and example, and the traveling community fit this category. Do you have any experience of dealing with travelers you would like to share to give a balanced view, I cant think of any examples to show them in a better light. local man
  • Score: 11

10:28am Sat 12 Jul 14

PageA says...

local man wrote:
PageA wrote:
local man wrote:
would I like travelers anywhere near my home? No, because of the thefts that suddenly start up, the litter left when they move on, the noise, the intimidation and the scamming offers to fix your hedge / drive / roof.

But I can suggest a solution, broadminded liberal homeowners not like me should offer up their driveway to help this alternative lifestyle find a pigeon hole suitable for today's society. So how about it - any supporters of travelers prepared to put up or shut up - offer them a parking spot and show you care.
i don't think you're being sincere. What you're really proposing is that things stay the same and the battling continues. Check out the brain on you
I am sincere, people NOT like me should offer up their driveway. I won't because I believe from first hand experience dealing with the public (for well over 20 years in a retail superstore) that about 2% of the general public steal if they think they can get away with it, and that about 90% of travelers do. Ive seen travelers kick over displays when they think no one's watching just for the hell of it, smash items in store for no reason and when you do deal with an incident the violence and threats that follow are horrendous.
In a decent size retail unit with spot on security we detained over 200 people per year for theft, in areas with real crime problems we had 3 full time security as a deterrent and still detained over 100 per year. Ive worked throughout the north west, from Liverpool to Manchester, from Crewe to Blackpool, Blackburn to Bolton, St Helens to Ellesmere Port, Chester to ... well you get the picture. I can categorically say from my experience travelers are the worst people to deal with, forget the chav, scouser or manc slurs, they aren't even close. If you think you can help them feel free. I think the life of crime, dishonesty, aggression and anti social behavior is ingrained into some elements of our society by family tradition and example, and the traveling community fit this category.
Do you have any experience of dealing with travelers you would like to share to give a balanced view, I cant think of any examples to show them in a better light.
I think that..you think that..I'm saying there isn't a problem. That Isn't what I'm saying. Take your aggressive filter off and read my words. I'm saying that there is a problem and that something needs to be done about it. Part of the problem is you making up statistics like 90% of travellers steal, that's a daft thing to say. Are you telling me that of all the people you catch stealing in your shops..the majority are travellers? Are you saying that the majority of people who feature on cctv in this newspaper are gypsies? I think not..so what does that say about people who live in houses?
[quote][p][bold]local man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]local man[/bold] wrote: would I like travelers anywhere near my home? No, because of the thefts that suddenly start up, the litter left when they move on, the noise, the intimidation and the scamming offers to fix your hedge / drive / roof. But I can suggest a solution, broadminded liberal homeowners not like me should offer up their driveway to help this alternative lifestyle find a pigeon hole suitable for today's society. So how about it - any supporters of travelers prepared to put up or shut up - offer them a parking spot and show you care.[/p][/quote]i don't think you're being sincere. What you're really proposing is that things stay the same and the battling continues. Check out the brain on you[/p][/quote]I am sincere, people NOT like me should offer up their driveway. I won't because I believe from first hand experience dealing with the public (for well over 20 years in a retail superstore) that about 2% of the general public steal if they think they can get away with it, and that about 90% of travelers do. Ive seen travelers kick over displays when they think no one's watching just for the hell of it, smash items in store for no reason and when you do deal with an incident the violence and threats that follow are horrendous. In a decent size retail unit with spot on security we detained over 200 people per year for theft, in areas with real crime problems we had 3 full time security as a deterrent and still detained over 100 per year. Ive worked throughout the north west, from Liverpool to Manchester, from Crewe to Blackpool, Blackburn to Bolton, St Helens to Ellesmere Port, Chester to ... well you get the picture. I can categorically say from my experience travelers are the worst people to deal with, forget the chav, scouser or manc slurs, they aren't even close. If you think you can help them feel free. I think the life of crime, dishonesty, aggression and anti social behavior is ingrained into some elements of our society by family tradition and example, and the traveling community fit this category. Do you have any experience of dealing with travelers you would like to share to give a balanced view, I cant think of any examples to show them in a better light.[/p][/quote]I think that..you think that..I'm saying there isn't a problem. That Isn't what I'm saying. Take your aggressive filter off and read my words. I'm saying that there is a problem and that something needs to be done about it. Part of the problem is you making up statistics like 90% of travellers steal, that's a daft thing to say. Are you telling me that of all the people you catch stealing in your shops..the majority are travellers? Are you saying that the majority of people who feature on cctv in this newspaper are gypsies? I think not..so what does that say about people who live in houses? PageA
  • Score: -10

1:26pm Sat 12 Jul 14

HappyMisery says...

PageA wrote:
HappyMisery wrote:
PageA wrote:
HappyMisery wrote:
Absolutely nothing because they're not willing to make any effort to integrate so sod them.
Yes, I'm aware of lots of conflict around the world that gets solved when your stance is adopted. It's going to take someone to be the bigger man. Do we have a bigger man in Culcheth? 'cos as sure as eggs are eggs..it aint you
How do you feel about animal rights? Just wondered as your tower seems to be made of ivory.....
I think you just need to think about things. You're wasting your time venting at me. I asked a fool not to describe an ethnic group as being vermin, which I feel happy about doing. You said nothing..I dont think like you that doesnt mean I think I'm perfect. If i see I bigotry, injustice and intolerance I challenge it. As we all should, unless we agree with bigotry, injustice and intolerance. What I asked you to do was consider the s*** those people go through every day just to get to sleep at the end of the day and think how that might alter a persons perception of the world around them and how they interact with others. That doesnt mean I live in an ivory tower.
Actually, when you try and stifle someones view because you don't agree with it and believe that your viewpoint is superior, its the very definition of living in an ivory tower.

Perhaps if you didnt feel the need to quote and attack the views of others, then they would be more inclined to be less defensive. Someone who described the travellers in a derogatory term is then likened by you to a Nazi (simply because thats how they described the jews) with a link to properganda videos from World War 2. Personally, I find that more offensive than anything. Calling gypsys "rats" on an internet comments section of a local newspaper is NOT and nowhere near the same as attempting to eradicate an ethnic group from the face of the earth with mass genocide. If you can't see the difference then you really need help.

Better get the heating on in the tower, looks like rain later.
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HappyMisery[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HappyMisery[/bold] wrote: Absolutely nothing because they're not willing to make any effort to integrate so sod them.[/p][/quote]Yes, I'm aware of lots of conflict around the world that gets solved when your stance is adopted. It's going to take someone to be the bigger man. Do we have a bigger man in Culcheth? 'cos as sure as eggs are eggs..it aint you[/p][/quote]How do you feel about animal rights? Just wondered as your tower seems to be made of ivory.....[/p][/quote]I think you just need to think about things. You're wasting your time venting at me. I asked a fool not to describe an ethnic group as being vermin, which I feel happy about doing. You said nothing..I dont think like you that doesnt mean I think I'm perfect. If i see I bigotry, injustice and intolerance I challenge it. As we all should, unless we agree with bigotry, injustice and intolerance. What I asked you to do was consider the s*** those people go through every day just to get to sleep at the end of the day and think how that might alter a persons perception of the world around them and how they interact with others. That doesnt mean I live in an ivory tower.[/p][/quote]Actually, when you try and stifle someones view because you don't agree with it and believe that your viewpoint is superior, its the very definition of living in an ivory tower. Perhaps if you didnt feel the need to quote and attack the views of others, then they would be more inclined to be less defensive. Someone who described the travellers in a derogatory term is then likened by you to a Nazi (simply because thats how they described the jews) with a link to properganda videos from World War 2. Personally, I find that more offensive than anything. Calling gypsys "rats" on an internet comments section of a local newspaper is NOT and nowhere near the same as attempting to eradicate an ethnic group from the face of the earth with mass genocide. If you can't see the difference then you really need help. Better get the heating on in the tower, looks like rain later. HappyMisery
  • Score: 11

7:07pm Sat 12 Jul 14

PageA says...

Not interested in how defensive I make you, you're really not worth that level of concern. You best get an early night, if you're goint to be revving engines outside children's bedrooms in the early hours of the morning.
Not interested in how defensive I make you, you're really not worth that level of concern. You best get an early night, if you're goint to be revving engines outside children's bedrooms in the early hours of the morning. PageA
  • Score: -8

10:27am Mon 14 Jul 14

Uncoded says...

Have any of the locals actually tried to talk to the travelling folk and tried to make them feel welcome?
If the travelling folk have had a hostile reception then they are bound to be unhappy.
Have any of the locals actually tried to talk to the travelling folk and tried to make them feel welcome? If the travelling folk have had a hostile reception then they are bound to be unhappy. Uncoded
  • Score: -9

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