Free Edgworth and Belmont school bus to be reinstated - and parents can get refund

The Bolton News: Free Edgworth and Belmont school bus to be reinstated - and parents can get refund Free Edgworth and Belmont school bus to be reinstated - and parents can get refund

FREE school transport will be reinstated for children who live in Edgworth and Belmont after a U-turn by Blackburn with Darwen Council.

Pupils in years seven and eight who attend Turton School and who live more than three miles away will again be entitled to a free bus pass.

Money paid since 2011, when the decision to withdrawn funding was made, will now be refunded to parents.

Town hall chiefs said the decision was made after taking legal advice and parents have been notified by letter about the decision and have been sent a claim form.

The news comes just months after town hall chiefs said they could no longer afford to subsidise the journeys of children travelling to schools outside of the borough.

Cllr Dave Harling, Blackburn with Darwen Council executive member for schools, said: “We have had no option, due to huge government cuts in recent years, to review all spending.

"After taking specialist legal advice we have taken a decision to reimburse children and their families who have been affected since 2011. These children are also entitled to a free bus pass.”

The council did not say what proof parents needed to provide to claim the refund.

The move to reinstate the free bus travel has been welcomed by Cllr Colin Rigby who has been in talks with the local authority about the issue of children living in the two villages going to schools in Bolton for more than a year.

He said: “I do not think this was a political decision but rather a pragmatic decision. It made sense as it could have cost more to send the children to the schools in Darwen.

“There was also the sibling issue, with parents already having children at Turton School. I have been talking to the transport department for the past 12 to 15 months and welcome the decision.”

The policy to scrap help with travel costs affected children in the first two years of high school and their parents can now claim the money they have forked out.

Jake Berry, MP for Rossendale and Darwen, said: “A number of local parents raised this issue directly with me, so I’m really pleased that the council has listened to parents in Belmont and Edgworth.

“The changes just weren’t fair for families in Belmont and Edgworth and I’m just glad that the council has seen sense and changed its mind.

“This is fantastic news for families who I am sure will be delighted.”

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12:51pm Mon 17 Mar 14

Phil from Smithills says...

If the bureaucrats back in 1974 had placed these two towns, both having a large Bolton and historic connection to Bolton ,and place them under Bolton administration, then there would not have been this problem.
If the bureaucrats back in 1974 had placed these two towns, both having a large Bolton and historic connection to Bolton ,and place them under Bolton administration, then there would not have been this problem. Phil from Smithills
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5:40pm Mon 17 Mar 14

Reality50 says...

Both these areas are part of Bolton and should never have been stolen from us in 1974. Most people in these areas work or shop in Bolton not Blackburn and far more Wanderers than Rovers fans reside there. While we're at it we should get Ainsworth and Atherton under our control too and Bradley Fold.
Both these areas are part of Bolton and should never have been stolen from us in 1974. Most people in these areas work or shop in Bolton not Blackburn and far more Wanderers than Rovers fans reside there. While we're at it we should get Ainsworth and Atherton under our control too and Bradley Fold. Reality50
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7:40pm Mon 17 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

Reality50 wrote:
Both these areas are part of Bolton and should never have been stolen from us in 1974. Most people in these areas work or shop in Bolton not Blackburn and far more Wanderers than Rovers fans reside there. While we're at it we should get Ainsworth and Atherton under our control too and Bradley Fold.
Belmont and Edgworth have NEVER been part of Bolton. They were part of Turton which was a separate borough from Bolton!

Turton was a township and later civil parish and local government district in Lancashire. Its former area is now divided between two local authorities. North Turton is part of the Borough of Blackburn with Darwen, and South Turton is part of the Metropolitan Borough of Bolton.

And I know more Edgworth people who support Rovers over Bolton anyday!

But saying that the whole of Turton should have been merged into the new Metropolitan Borough of Bolton rather than being split, in 1974.

Ainsworth and Bradley Fold are aimed more at Bury and that is where the people go to shop socialise and whatever. They were both part of the Radcliffe Urban District which was merged into Bury in 1974!

Atherton, on the other hand should be separated from Wigan, but not be part of Bolton - it should create a new Borough that includes Leigh, Westhoughton, Aspull, Over Hulton and Blackrod
[quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: Both these areas are part of Bolton and should never have been stolen from us in 1974. Most people in these areas work or shop in Bolton not Blackburn and far more Wanderers than Rovers fans reside there. While we're at it we should get Ainsworth and Atherton under our control too and Bradley Fold.[/p][/quote]Belmont and Edgworth have NEVER been part of Bolton. They were part of Turton which was a separate borough from Bolton! Turton was a township and later civil parish and local government district in Lancashire. Its former area is now divided between two local authorities. North Turton is part of the Borough of Blackburn with Darwen, and South Turton is part of the Metropolitan Borough of Bolton. And I know more Edgworth people who support Rovers over Bolton anyday! But saying that the whole of Turton should have been merged into the new Metropolitan Borough of Bolton rather than being split, in 1974. Ainsworth and Bradley Fold are aimed more at Bury and that is where the people go to shop socialise and whatever. They were both part of the Radcliffe Urban District which was merged into Bury in 1974! Atherton, on the other hand should be separated from Wigan, but not be part of Bolton - it should create a new Borough that includes Leigh, Westhoughton, Aspull, Over Hulton and Blackrod BWFC71
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8:44pm Mon 17 Mar 14

Hulton Park says...

BWFC71 wrote:
Reality50 wrote: Both these areas are part of Bolton and should never have been stolen from us in 1974. Most people in these areas work or shop in Bolton not Blackburn and far more Wanderers than Rovers fans reside there. While we're at it we should get Ainsworth and Atherton under our control too and Bradley Fold.
Belmont and Edgworth have NEVER been part of Bolton. They were part of Turton which was a separate borough from Bolton! Turton was a township and later civil parish and local government district in Lancashire. Its former area is now divided between two local authorities. North Turton is part of the Borough of Blackburn with Darwen, and South Turton is part of the Metropolitan Borough of Bolton. And I know more Edgworth people who support Rovers over Bolton anyday! But saying that the whole of Turton should have been merged into the new Metropolitan Borough of Bolton rather than being split, in 1974. Ainsworth and Bradley Fold are aimed more at Bury and that is where the people go to shop socialise and whatever. They were both part of the Radcliffe Urban District which was merged into Bury in 1974! Atherton, on the other hand should be separated from Wigan, but not be part of Bolton - it should create a new Borough that includes Leigh, Westhoughton, Aspull, Over Hulton and Blackrod
BWFC71, you really must start widening your research beyond Wikipedia.

Edgworth and what is nowadays called Belmont were part of the ancient parish of Bolton. Ainsworth and Bradley Fold did indeed come under Radcliffe - but only between 1933 and 1974. In both years, changes were made to local government for reasons that had nothing to do with reflecting people's identity. While some people there may well have started shopping in Bury (given the degeneration of our own town centre), there is no historical link, and of course, both areas still have Bolton addresses and phone numbers.

Atherton is, of course nearer to the centre of Bolton than many existing parts of the borough are, with many longstanding economic and social links to Bolton.

I don't see how your strange, centreless borough would benefit any of the proposed constituents. Fora start, to omit Tyldesley from any larger authority that includes Leigh seems odd. It would be a ragbag authority, like Trafford or Knowsley; with a population of only around 110, 000, it would not be big enough to serve as a metropolitan district.

Perhaps you are suggesting a new Lancashire county district, wedged between Wigan, Warrington, Salford and Bolton? Attractive to some, perhaps, but wouldn't that effectively isolate Wigan from Greater Manchester? Wigan would then have either to (a) join Merseyside (b) become a unitary borough, like Warrington or (c) also re-join Lancashire as a non-metropolitan district.

It ain't gonna happen!
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: Both these areas are part of Bolton and should never have been stolen from us in 1974. Most people in these areas work or shop in Bolton not Blackburn and far more Wanderers than Rovers fans reside there. While we're at it we should get Ainsworth and Atherton under our control too and Bradley Fold.[/p][/quote]Belmont and Edgworth have NEVER been part of Bolton. They were part of Turton which was a separate borough from Bolton! Turton was a township and later civil parish and local government district in Lancashire. Its former area is now divided between two local authorities. North Turton is part of the Borough of Blackburn with Darwen, and South Turton is part of the Metropolitan Borough of Bolton. And I know more Edgworth people who support Rovers over Bolton anyday! But saying that the whole of Turton should have been merged into the new Metropolitan Borough of Bolton rather than being split, in 1974. Ainsworth and Bradley Fold are aimed more at Bury and that is where the people go to shop socialise and whatever. They were both part of the Radcliffe Urban District which was merged into Bury in 1974! Atherton, on the other hand should be separated from Wigan, but not be part of Bolton - it should create a new Borough that includes Leigh, Westhoughton, Aspull, Over Hulton and Blackrod[/p][/quote]BWFC71, you really must start widening your research beyond Wikipedia. Edgworth and what is nowadays called Belmont were part of the ancient parish of Bolton. Ainsworth and Bradley Fold did indeed come under Radcliffe - but only between 1933 and 1974. In both years, changes were made to local government for reasons that had nothing to do with reflecting people's identity. While some people there may well have started shopping in Bury (given the degeneration of our own town centre), there is no historical link, and of course, both areas still have Bolton addresses and phone numbers. Atherton is, of course nearer to the centre of Bolton than many existing parts of the borough are, with many longstanding economic and social links to Bolton. I don't see how your strange, centreless borough would benefit any of the proposed constituents. Fora start, to omit Tyldesley from any larger authority that includes Leigh seems odd. It would be a ragbag authority, like Trafford or Knowsley; with a population of only around 110, 000, it would not be big enough to serve as a metropolitan district. Perhaps you are suggesting a new Lancashire county district, wedged between Wigan, Warrington, Salford and Bolton? Attractive to some, perhaps, but wouldn't that effectively isolate Wigan from Greater Manchester? Wigan would then have either to (a) join Merseyside (b) become a unitary borough, like Warrington or (c) also re-join Lancashire as a non-metropolitan district. It ain't gonna happen! Hulton Park
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10:26pm Mon 17 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

Hulton Park wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Reality50 wrote: Both these areas are part of Bolton and should never have been stolen from us in 1974. Most people in these areas work or shop in Bolton not Blackburn and far more Wanderers than Rovers fans reside there. While we're at it we should get Ainsworth and Atherton under our control too and Bradley Fold.
Belmont and Edgworth have NEVER been part of Bolton. They were part of Turton which was a separate borough from Bolton! Turton was a township and later civil parish and local government district in Lancashire. Its former area is now divided between two local authorities. North Turton is part of the Borough of Blackburn with Darwen, and South Turton is part of the Metropolitan Borough of Bolton. And I know more Edgworth people who support Rovers over Bolton anyday! But saying that the whole of Turton should have been merged into the new Metropolitan Borough of Bolton rather than being split, in 1974. Ainsworth and Bradley Fold are aimed more at Bury and that is where the people go to shop socialise and whatever. They were both part of the Radcliffe Urban District which was merged into Bury in 1974! Atherton, on the other hand should be separated from Wigan, but not be part of Bolton - it should create a new Borough that includes Leigh, Westhoughton, Aspull, Over Hulton and Blackrod
BWFC71, you really must start widening your research beyond Wikipedia. Edgworth and what is nowadays called Belmont were part of the ancient parish of Bolton. Ainsworth and Bradley Fold did indeed come under Radcliffe - but only between 1933 and 1974. In both years, changes were made to local government for reasons that had nothing to do with reflecting people's identity. While some people there may well have started shopping in Bury (given the degeneration of our own town centre), there is no historical link, and of course, both areas still have Bolton addresses and phone numbers. Atherton is, of course nearer to the centre of Bolton than many existing parts of the borough are, with many longstanding economic and social links to Bolton. I don't see how your strange, centreless borough would benefit any of the proposed constituents. Fora start, to omit Tyldesley from any larger authority that includes Leigh seems odd. It would be a ragbag authority, like Trafford or Knowsley; with a population of only around 110, 000, it would not be big enough to serve as a metropolitan district. Perhaps you are suggesting a new Lancashire county district, wedged between Wigan, Warrington, Salford and Bolton? Attractive to some, perhaps, but wouldn't that effectively isolate Wigan from Greater Manchester? Wigan would then have either to (a) join Merseyside (b) become a unitary borough, like Warrington or (c) also re-join Lancashire as a non-metropolitan district. It ain't gonna happen!
Bolton never reached Belmont or Edgworth and that is a fact and never came under the control of Bolton.

Belmont for staters only became Belmont in 1804 as before then it was called Hordern. It was in the parish of Sharples that came under the control of Bolton Le Moors and not either Great Bolton or Little Bolton (of which both were part of Bolton Le Moors and merged to become Bolton).

Edgworth was a parish with Bolton Le Moors.

Bolton Le Moors wasn't independent and was governed by Eccles/Salford 100.

In 1866 Bolton Le Moors was abolished and the various townships became independent. in 1891 Many of the so-called townships became part of the "new" Bolton (the merger of Great Bolton and Little Bolton - both of which were parishes in Bolton Le Moors) but some, such as Turton became Urban districts.

Therefore you are confusing Bolton with Bolton Le Moors, which although there s history they are definitely two separate entities. Our current Bolton, as I say comes from the merger of Great Bolton and Little Bolton and then expansion outwards and only has a fleeting knock to the old Bolton Le Moors.

As for using wikipedia - if I did then I would say so and also make a statement advising that it comes from Wikipedia and that the information could be dubious!
[quote][p][bold]Hulton Park[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: Both these areas are part of Bolton and should never have been stolen from us in 1974. Most people in these areas work or shop in Bolton not Blackburn and far more Wanderers than Rovers fans reside there. While we're at it we should get Ainsworth and Atherton under our control too and Bradley Fold.[/p][/quote]Belmont and Edgworth have NEVER been part of Bolton. They were part of Turton which was a separate borough from Bolton! Turton was a township and later civil parish and local government district in Lancashire. Its former area is now divided between two local authorities. North Turton is part of the Borough of Blackburn with Darwen, and South Turton is part of the Metropolitan Borough of Bolton. And I know more Edgworth people who support Rovers over Bolton anyday! But saying that the whole of Turton should have been merged into the new Metropolitan Borough of Bolton rather than being split, in 1974. Ainsworth and Bradley Fold are aimed more at Bury and that is where the people go to shop socialise and whatever. They were both part of the Radcliffe Urban District which was merged into Bury in 1974! Atherton, on the other hand should be separated from Wigan, but not be part of Bolton - it should create a new Borough that includes Leigh, Westhoughton, Aspull, Over Hulton and Blackrod[/p][/quote]BWFC71, you really must start widening your research beyond Wikipedia. Edgworth and what is nowadays called Belmont were part of the ancient parish of Bolton. Ainsworth and Bradley Fold did indeed come under Radcliffe - but only between 1933 and 1974. In both years, changes were made to local government for reasons that had nothing to do with reflecting people's identity. While some people there may well have started shopping in Bury (given the degeneration of our own town centre), there is no historical link, and of course, both areas still have Bolton addresses and phone numbers. Atherton is, of course nearer to the centre of Bolton than many existing parts of the borough are, with many longstanding economic and social links to Bolton. I don't see how your strange, centreless borough would benefit any of the proposed constituents. Fora start, to omit Tyldesley from any larger authority that includes Leigh seems odd. It would be a ragbag authority, like Trafford or Knowsley; with a population of only around 110, 000, it would not be big enough to serve as a metropolitan district. Perhaps you are suggesting a new Lancashire county district, wedged between Wigan, Warrington, Salford and Bolton? Attractive to some, perhaps, but wouldn't that effectively isolate Wigan from Greater Manchester? Wigan would then have either to (a) join Merseyside (b) become a unitary borough, like Warrington or (c) also re-join Lancashire as a non-metropolitan district. It ain't gonna happen![/p][/quote]Bolton never reached Belmont or Edgworth and that is a fact and never came under the control of Bolton. Belmont for staters only became Belmont in 1804 as before then it was called Hordern. It was in the parish of Sharples that came under the control of Bolton Le Moors and not either Great Bolton or Little Bolton (of which both were part of Bolton Le Moors and merged to become Bolton). Edgworth was a parish with Bolton Le Moors. Bolton Le Moors wasn't independent and was governed by Eccles/Salford 100. In 1866 Bolton Le Moors was abolished and the various townships became independent. in 1891 Many of the so-called townships became part of the "new" Bolton (the merger of Great Bolton and Little Bolton - both of which were parishes in Bolton Le Moors) but some, such as Turton became Urban districts. Therefore you are confusing Bolton with Bolton Le Moors, which although there s history they are definitely two separate entities. Our current Bolton, as I say comes from the merger of Great Bolton and Little Bolton and then expansion outwards and only has a fleeting knock to the old Bolton Le Moors. As for using wikipedia - if I did then I would say so and also make a statement advising that it comes from Wikipedia and that the information could be dubious! BWFC71
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10:40pm Mon 17 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

As for not mentioning Tyldesley - why should I when it is a part of Leigh as well as Boothstown, Astley, Lowton, Higher Green, Mosley Common, Crankwood, Bickershaw, Westleigh, Hindley Green etc etc etc
As for not mentioning Tyldesley - why should I when it is a part of Leigh as well as Boothstown, Astley, Lowton, Higher Green, Mosley Common, Crankwood, Bickershaw, Westleigh, Hindley Green etc etc etc BWFC71
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3:42am Tue 18 Mar 14

Reality50 says...

Having lived in Bradley Fold i know pretty much everyone considers it to be Bolton and view "town" as Bolton. As for Edgworth i go up there regularly and Rovers fans thin on the ground although there are some. The 1974 boundaries were skewed against Bolton.We didn't gain any areas that were "foreign lands" but we lost plenty as well as our county of Lancashire. In my opinion,anywhere with an 01204 phone code was Bolton. Atherton is 01942 as is Westhoughton but demographics mean they belong with us -or should do-. The authorities didn't want Bolton having a 300,000 plus population in 1974 so stole bits off us.That is my view.
Having lived in Bradley Fold i know pretty much everyone considers it to be Bolton and view "town" as Bolton. As for Edgworth i go up there regularly and Rovers fans thin on the ground although there are some. The 1974 boundaries were skewed against Bolton.We didn't gain any areas that were "foreign lands" but we lost plenty as well as our county of Lancashire. In my opinion,anywhere with an 01204 phone code was Bolton. Atherton is 01942 as is Westhoughton but demographics mean they belong with us -or should do-. The authorities didn't want Bolton having a 300,000 plus population in 1974 so stole bits off us.That is my view. Reality50
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11:34am Tue 18 Mar 14

Phil from Smithills says...

Reality50 wrote:
Having lived in Bradley Fold i know pretty much everyone considers it to be Bolton and view "town" as Bolton. As for Edgworth i go up there regularly and Rovers fans thin on the ground although there are some. The 1974 boundaries were skewed against Bolton.We didn't gain any areas that were "foreign lands" but we lost plenty as well as our county of Lancashire. In my opinion,anywhere with an 01204 phone code was Bolton. Atherton is 01942 as is Westhoughton but demographics mean they belong with us -or should do-. The authorities didn't want Bolton having a 300,000 plus population in 1974 so stole bits off us.That is my view.
Don't worry Reality50., we did not lose being part of our county of Lancashire.

The 1974 Local Government re-Organisation Act did NOT alter the historic borders of Lancashire and as the label on the government Act states, is simply to re-organise the way our county of Lancashire is administered.

Some people like to refer to the administrative name of this part of Lancashire, ( Gtr Manchester) but many prefer to use our "traditional" county name of Lancashire.

As for Edgworth & Belmont..., my relatives had a farm in Broadhead Edgworth and can say that they considered being part of Bolton, their only bus route was from Bolton and NOT Blackburn., similarly Belmont population had most of their links with Bolton and no bus link to Blackburn.
[quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: Having lived in Bradley Fold i know pretty much everyone considers it to be Bolton and view "town" as Bolton. As for Edgworth i go up there regularly and Rovers fans thin on the ground although there are some. The 1974 boundaries were skewed against Bolton.We didn't gain any areas that were "foreign lands" but we lost plenty as well as our county of Lancashire. In my opinion,anywhere with an 01204 phone code was Bolton. Atherton is 01942 as is Westhoughton but demographics mean they belong with us -or should do-. The authorities didn't want Bolton having a 300,000 plus population in 1974 so stole bits off us.That is my view.[/p][/quote]Don't worry Reality50., we did not lose being part of our county of Lancashire. The 1974 Local Government re-Organisation Act did NOT alter the historic borders of Lancashire and as the label on the government Act states, is simply to re-organise the way our county of Lancashire is administered. Some people like to refer to the administrative name of this part of Lancashire, ( Gtr Manchester) but many prefer to use our "traditional" county name of Lancashire. As for Edgworth & Belmont..., my relatives had a farm in Broadhead Edgworth and can say that they considered being part of Bolton, their only bus route was from Bolton and NOT Blackburn., similarly Belmont population had most of their links with Bolton and no bus link to Blackburn. Phil from Smithills
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12:41pm Tue 18 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

Reality50 wrote:
Having lived in Bradley Fold i know pretty much everyone considers it to be Bolton and view "town" as Bolton. As for Edgworth i go up there regularly and Rovers fans thin on the ground although there are some. The 1974 boundaries were skewed against Bolton.We didn't gain any areas that were "foreign lands" but we lost plenty as well as our county of Lancashire. In my opinion,anywhere with an 01204 phone code was Bolton. Atherton is 01942 as is Westhoughton but demographics mean they belong with us -or should do-. The authorities didn't want Bolton having a 300,000 plus population in 1974 so stole bits off us.That is my view.
I lived in Bradley Fold and had a Manchester postcode as well as having a Bolton phone number and paying Council tax to Bury!!! In those days the only bus routes were 478 to Bolton and Bury (every 20 minutes and operated by Stagecoach Ribble) but via Radcliffe, 520 (hourly and operated by GMBuses/GMBuses North/First Greater Manchester) which went almost the same direction and the 94 (hourly and operated by GMBuses/GMBuses North/First Greater Manchester, Shearings/Timeline and Evag Cannon) which operated between Bolton and Manchester - so there was a slant towards Bolton in those days. But would that be the case nowadays (although they only have the 487 Bury to Radcliffe (Rosso) and 544 Bolton to Little Lever Circular (South Lancs Travel) and both hourly during daytime only!)

In fact I lived very close to the Queens pub - so I do know the area very well!!
[quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: Having lived in Bradley Fold i know pretty much everyone considers it to be Bolton and view "town" as Bolton. As for Edgworth i go up there regularly and Rovers fans thin on the ground although there are some. The 1974 boundaries were skewed against Bolton.We didn't gain any areas that were "foreign lands" but we lost plenty as well as our county of Lancashire. In my opinion,anywhere with an 01204 phone code was Bolton. Atherton is 01942 as is Westhoughton but demographics mean they belong with us -or should do-. The authorities didn't want Bolton having a 300,000 plus population in 1974 so stole bits off us.That is my view.[/p][/quote]I lived in Bradley Fold and had a Manchester postcode as well as having a Bolton phone number and paying Council tax to Bury!!! In those days the only bus routes were 478 to Bolton and Bury (every 20 minutes and operated by Stagecoach Ribble) but via Radcliffe, 520 (hourly and operated by GMBuses/GMBuses North/First Greater Manchester) which went almost the same direction and the 94 (hourly and operated by GMBuses/GMBuses North/First Greater Manchester, Shearings/Timeline and Evag Cannon) which operated between Bolton and Manchester - so there was a slant towards Bolton in those days. But would that be the case nowadays (although they only have the 487 Bury to Radcliffe (Rosso) and 544 Bolton to Little Lever Circular (South Lancs Travel) and both hourly during daytime only!) In fact I lived very close to the Queens pub - so I do know the area very well!! BWFC71
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