LiveBudget 2014: Osborne woos savers and pensioners

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4:53pm

MP for Bexleyheath and Crayford David Evennett has welcomed the Budget announcements.

He said: "This is a Budget that supports pensioners, savers, workers and makers.

"It will make a significant difference and is constructive and realistic."

4:49pm

TAUNTON Deane MP Jeremy Browne said: "The Budget continues the necessary task of cutting the deficit while also cutting taxes for people earning typical Somerset wages.

"Unemployment is falling and the economy is growing.

"The state pension has risen under this government by more than the rate of inflation.

"Most importantly, the LibDem policy to cut income tax has increased take home pay by over £800 a year for most people in work in Taunton Deane."

3:01pm

Repeating a summary of today's Budget measures:

PERSONAL TAX

  • Personal tax allowance to be raised to £10,500 next year; £800 average savings
  • Higher rate threshold for 40p income tax to rise from £41,450 to £41,865 next month and then by further 1% to £42,285 next year
  • Transferable tax allowance for married couples to rise to £1,050

TAX

  • 15% stamp duty on homes worth more than £500,000 bought through companies
  • Inheritance tax waived for emergency services personnel who "give their lives protecting us"
  • VAT waived on fuel for air ambulances and inshore rescue boats
  • Fuel duty rise planned for September cancelled

PENSIONS AND SAVINGS

  • All tax restrictions on pensioners' access to pension pots removed and tax on cash removed on retirement cut from 55% to 20%
  • Reform of taxation of defined contribution pensions to help 13 million people from March 27
  • Abolition of 10p starting rate of tax on income from savings

ECONOMY

  • GDP growth forecast to be 2.7% this year, then 2.3%, 2.6%, 2.6% and 2.5% in following years - making UK economy £16 billion bigger than predicted.
  • Deficit revised down to 6.6% this year, and forecast to fall in following years before going into surplus of 0.2% in 2018/19
  • Borrowing expected to be £108 billion this year - £12 billion less than forecast
  • Debt revised down to 74.5% of GDP this year; then predicted to peak at 78.7% in 2015/16 and fall to 74.2% by 2018

JOBS

  • OBR forecasts 1.5 million more jobs over the next five years and earnings to grow faster than inflation
  • Welfare cap set at £119 billion for 2015/16, rising to £127 billion by 2018/19, only state pension and cyclical unemployment benefits excluded

ENERGY

  • £7 billion package to cut energy bills includes £18 per ton cap on carbon price support, saving medium-sized manufacturers £50,000 and families £15 a year
  • Compensation scheme for energy intensive industries extended four years to 2019/20; £1 billion to protect manufacturers from cost of green levies

LEISURE

  • Tobacco duty to rise by 2% above inflation
  • Alcohol duty escalator scrapped
  • Duty on spirits and ordinary cider frozen. Beer duty cut by 1p a pint
  • Duty on fixed-odds betting terminals increased to 25%
  • Bingo duty halved to 10%.
  • 20% tax relief for theatre productions

INVESTMENT

  • £270 million guarantee approved for the Mersey Gateway bridge.
  • Support to build 200,000 homes.
  • Additional £140 million made available for repairs and maintenance to flood defences

BUSINESS

  • Business rate discounts and enhanced capital allowances in enterprise zones extended for three more years
  • Research and development tax credit for loss-making small businesses raised from 11% to 14.5%
  • Annual investment allowance doubled to £500,000 and extended to the end of 2015

2:59pm

UK passengers on long-haul flights will benefit from an overhaul of the much-hated Air Passenger Duty (APD) airport departure tax.

Announcing changes, Chancellor George Osborne admitted that the current system was "crazy and unjust" in that Britons travelling on, say, eight-hour flights to Barbados pay more APD than those on 11-hour flights to California.

Those on ultra long-haul flights to destinations such as Australia and south east Asia pay even more in APD.

But today Mr Osborne said that he was scrapping the two highest of the four APD tax bands so that those on long-haul flights pay only as much as they do now travelling to the USA.

UK airlines, travel companies and Caribbean tourist boards have long bemoaned the APD system and there was a cautious welcome today to the changes.

A Virgin Atlantic spokeswoman said: "A two-band APD rate is a very welcome simplification to remove some of the biggest distortions of the current system, which the Chancellor himself admitted is crazy and unjust.

"The Government has rightly recognised the damage APD is having on exporters and the travelling public alike."

The Bolton News: PLANE TO SEE: Should we curb our flying?

2:57pm

A new institute dedicated to handling "big data" is to be named after computer pioneer and Second World War codebreaker Alan Turing, Chancellor George Osborne confirmed in his Budget.

So who is Alan Turing?

Mr Turing, who lived in Mr Osborne's constituency of Tatton, Cheshire, was a brilliant mathematician who laid the foundations of modern computing.

During the Second World War, his critical work at Britain's code-breaking centre at Bletchley Park helped shorten the conflict and save many thousands of lives.

Instead of being hailed a hero, Mr Turing was persecuted for his homosexuality.

After his conviction in 1952 for gross indecency with a 19-year-old Manchester man, he was chemically castrated.

Two years later, he died from cyanide poisoning in an apparent suicide, though there have been suggestions that his death was an accident.

In December, after a long campaign, Mr Turing was given a posthumous Royal Pardon.

The Alan Turing Institute, funded from a new £222 million Government science package, will undertake research into methods of collecting, organising and analysing large sets of data.

2:40pm

Meanwhile British Chambers of Commerce director general John Longworth said:

"Business wanted a Budget that was disciplined, focused, and geared toward the creation of wealth and jobs - and that's what the Chancellor has delivered.

"With a huge confidence gap still separating employers from young job-seekers, we are very pleased to see the Chancellor heed our call to help firms take on and train tomorrow's workforce. Overcoming that confidence gap means more investment in young people, more apprenticeships, and more jobs, which are critical with more than 900,000 16-to-24-year-olds still out of work.

"Osborne's focus on investment, exports, house-building and economic resilience passes the business test. By making a better business environment his top priority, the Chancellor has recognised that successful and confident companies are the key to transforming Britain's growing economic recovery into one that is felt in homes and on high streets."

2:39pm

More reaction to the Budget...

Paul Kenny, general secretary of the GMB, said:

"This Budget reeks of the stuck-up complacency of the well-heeled elite.

"Osborne's claim that the economy will get back to pre-recession levels this year is sadly not the case. GDP per head is still 5.7% down on 2007 and real value of average earning is also down 13.8%. There is a very long way to go to get living standards for the vast majority of workers back to pre-recession levels.

"The Budget is doing very little to get the 912,000 unemployed aged 16-24 into proper jobs. As some 246,000 have been out of work for over a year, there is a grave danger of seeing a lost generation."

2:28pm

2:27pm

2:25pm

Quotes of the day....from today's Budget speech:

"The economy is continuing to recover - and recover faster than forecast."

"There is no major economy in the world growing faster than the UK."

"Public tolerance for those who do not pay their fair share evaporated long ago" - announcing action to curb tax avoidance.

"The central aim of this Government is to deliver economic security. We are not promising quick fixes."

"We are turning this country around. This is a Budget for the makers, the doers and the savers."

And from Opposition leader Ed Miliband in his reply:

"The standard of living ... is falling sharply and steeply. No amount of smoke and mirrors can hide that."

"This is a classic Tory trick: give with one hand and take away far more with the other."

"There is one group better off: the Chancellor's chums and the Prime Minister's friends."

"It is more tax cuts for the rich while everyone else gets squeezed."
 

2:21pm

2:18pm

2:11pm

30 measures announced today during the Budget 2014:

PERSONAL TAX

  • Personal tax allowance to be raised to £10,500 next year; £800 average savings
  • Higher rate threshold for 40p income tax to rise from £41,450 to £41,865 next month and then by further 1% to £42,285 next year
  • Transferable tax allowance for married couples to rise to £1,050

TAX

  • 15% stamp duty on homes worth more than £500,000 bought through companies
  • Inheritance tax waived for emergency services personnel who "give their lives protecting us"
  • VAT waived on fuel for air ambulances and inshore rescue boats
  • Fuel duty rise planned for September cancelled

PENSIONS AND SAVINGS

  • All tax restrictions on pensioners' access to pension pots removed and tax on cash removed on retirement cut from 55% to 20%
  • Reform of taxation of defined contribution pensions to help 13 million people from March 27
  • Abolition of 10p starting rate of tax on income from savings

ECONOMY

  • GDP growth forecast to be 2.7% this year, then 2.3%, 2.6%, 2.6% and 2.5% in following years - making UK economy £16 billion bigger than predicted.
  • Deficit revised down to 6.6% this year, and forecast to fall in following years before going into surplus of 0.2% in 2018/19
  • Borrowing expected to be £108 billion this year - £12 billion less than forecast
  • Debt revised down to 74.5% of GDP this year; then predicted to peak at 78.7% in 2015/16 and fall to 74.2% by 2018

JOBS

  • OBR forecasts 1.5 million more jobs over the next five years and earnings to grow faster than inflation
  • Welfare cap set at £119 billion for 2015/16, rising to £127 billion by 2018/19, only state pension and cyclical unemployment benefits excluded

ENERGY

  • £7 billion package to cut energy bills includes £18 per ton cap on carbon price support, saving medium-sized manufacturers £50,000 and families £15 a year
  • Compensation scheme for energy intensive industries extended four years to 2019/20; £1 billion to protect manufacturers from cost of green levies

LEISURE

  • Tobacco duty to rise by 2% above inflation
  • Alcohol duty escalator scrapped
  • Duty on spirits and ordinary cider frozen. Beer duty cut by 1p a pint
  • Duty on fixed-odds betting terminals increased to 25%
  • Bingo duty halved to 10%.
  • 20% tax relief for theatre productions

INVESTMENT

  • £270 million guarantee approved for the Mersey Gateway bridge.
  • Support to build 200,000 homes.
  • Additional £140 million made available for repairs and maintenance to flood defences

BUSINESS

  • Business rate discounts and enhanced capital allowances in enterprise zones extended for three more years
  • Research and development tax credit for loss-making small businesses raised from 11% to 14.5%
  • Annual investment allowance doubled to £500,000 and extended to the end of 2015

2:03pm

George Osborne and his boss David Cameron pleased with their 2014 Budget for 'makers, doers and savers'

The Bolton News:

1:59pm

Let's see some more pictures from today:

Members of the NHS protest on College Green in Westminster, Central London ahead of the Budget statement against the Government's "insulting" pay offer:

The Bolton News:

1:57pm

1:55pm

1:54pm

1:50pm

News summary of today's Budget statement:

George Osborne pledged to share the benefits of economic recovery with pensioners and savers as he delivered his penultimate Budget before the general election.

The Chancellor unveiled radical reforms to tax rules on retirement pots and new-style flexibile ISAs where people can save up to £15,000 without the Treasury taking a cut, and he pushed up the personal income tax allowance to £10,500 next year.

Hailing the success of the coalition's austerity programme, Mr Osborne said UK plc would grow by a better than forecast 2.7% in 2014 and the government would be back in surplus by 2018-19.

He also offered some crowd-pleasing items including scrapping the duty escalator on wine and spirits, a penny off a pint of beer, and freezing the "carbon floor" price in a bid to take £15 off consumers' energy bills.

The Bolton News:

"The message from this Budget is: you have earned it; you have saved it; and this government is on your side, whether you're on a low or middle income, whether you're saving for your home, for your family or for your retirement," Mr Osborne told MPs.

 

"This is a Budget for the makers, the doers, and the savers."

George Osborne

"The forecasts I've presented show: growth up; jobs up; and the deficit down.

"With the help of the British people we're turning our country around. We're building a resilient economy.

"This is a Budget for the makers, the doers, and the savers."

But Labour leader Ed Miliband responded: "The Chancellor spoke for nearly an hour but he did not mention one central fact: the working people of Britain are worse off under the Tories."

1:47pm

Britain can do better than the Tories - Britain needs a Labour Government, says Ed Miliband as he finishes....

1:46pm

Read the official Budget documents, now online at gov.uk

 

 

1:44pm

The Bolton News:

Chancellor rolls his eyes as Ed Miliband speaks

1:43pm

The Labour leader has been interrupted by heckling MPs several times - George Osborne got through his statement with little to no disruptions....

1:40pm

Miliband: You can change shape of pound.... but if you are £1,600 worse off a year... you're £1,600 worse off

1:38pm

1:36pm

Ed Miliband: there have been 24 tax rises since election in 2010

1:36pm

12:22pm Wed 19 Mar 14

FoodCraft says

Maybe he’d like to remove the unfair 20% VAT on hot food that most chippys have to pay …..

1:35pm

'No mention of millionaire tax cuts', says Miliband

1:34pm

Now it's the turn of Labour leader Ed Miliband to respond: we're all 'worse off' 

The Bolton News:

1:29pm

55 minutes.....

1:28pm

'We're not promising quick fixes....'

1:28pm

He's wrapping up....

1:28pm

Cash and stocks ISAs to be merged into single New ISA with annual tax-free savings limit of £15,000 from July 1. Limit for Junior ISA raised to £4,000.


New Pensioner Bond paying market leading rates to be available from January to all over 65s, with possible rates of 2.8% for one-year bond and 4% for three-year bond.

1:27pm

Are you a Premium Bonds saver? Cap on Premium Bonds to be lifted from £30,000 to £40,000 in June and £50,000 in 2015, and number of £1 million winners to be doubled.

Fingers crossed!

1:26pm

Eyes down: bingo duty halved to 10% to get bingo halls busy again....

1:23pm

Higher rate threshold for 40p income tax to rise from £41,450 to £41,865 next month and then by a further 1% to £42,285 next year, with the full benefit of increase in personal allowance passed on to higher rate taxpayers.

1:23pm

Personal tax allowance to be raised to £10,500 next year, resulting in £800 income tax reduction for typical taxpayer.

1:22pm

Good news for flood-hit Somerset: Duty on ordinary cider frozen.

The Bolton News:

1:19pm

Duty on fixed odds betting terminals increased to 25%, horse racing betting levy extended to offshore bookmakers and bingo duty halved to 10%.

Tobacco duty to rise by 2% above inflation, and the escalator extended for the rest of the next Parliament.

1:18pm

Beer duty cut by penny...

 

1:17pm

Fuel duty rise planned for September - will not take place, the Chancellor confirms

The Bolton News:

1:15pm

The 2% increase in company car tax to be extended to 2017 and 2018, with increased discount for ultra-low emission vehicles.

1:14pm

'£7bn package to cut energy bills for British manufacturers'

1:13pm

The show goes on! 

From September, 20% tax relief for theatre productions, and 25% for regional touring.

 

1:10pm

Mr Osborne said he was "determined" that the HS2 rail link should go "further north faster".

1:09pm

Additional £140 million made available for repairs and maintenance to flood defences. Additional £200 million for potholes.

1:09pm

Statement has lasted 37 minutes so far.....

1:08pm

Road news: Legislation to give Welsh Government tax and borrowing powers to fund infrastructure needs, including improvements to M4 motorway.

1:08pm

Housing policies announced today to support more than 200,000 new homes.

1:07pm

12:00pm Wed 19 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says

Looking at the picture of the new pound coin I would say the first thing to do is change the date as it isn't coming into circulation until 2017. Perhaps a silhouette of Vladimir Putin if all goes to plan.

1:06pm

1:04pm Wed 19 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says

Kim Gandy wrote:
I like the new £1 coin.
I would like to own lots more of them, that isn't going to happen!

1:04pm

Air passenger duty will be changed: 'From next year all long haul flights will carry the same lower band B tax rate that you now pay to fly to the US'

The Bolton News:

1:03pm

Announcement: £20 million to pay for repairs to cathedrals ahead of First World War remembrance services

1:02pm

Inheritance tax waived for emergency services personnel who "give their lives protecting us", Osborne tells the House

1:01pm

VAT on fuel for Air Ambulances and Inshore Rescue boat services dropped... new air ambulance for London

1:00pm

Clampdown on people avoiding stamp duty by owning homes through a company, says Chancellor...from midnight tonight anyone buying house over £500k through 'corporate envelope' will have to pay 15% stamp duty

12:58pm

Compliance checks on migrants claiming benefits they are not entitled to will save almost £100 million, says Osborne....

12:56pm

Welfare cap set at £119 billion for 2015/16, rising to £127 billion by 2018/19, with only the state pension and cyclical unemployment benefits excluded.

12:53pm

Pay restraint in public sector will continue....

12:53pm

He's said it: 'We're all in this together.....'

(we knew that)

12:52pm

Chancellor reiterates what was announced earlier today: we're all getting a new one pound coin for our pockets...

 

The Bolton News:

12:50pm

'Faster growth alone won't balance the books though, more cuts required!'

12:49pm

The Bolton News:

12:47pm

Britain will be borrowing £24bn less than forecast - 'that's more than we spend in an entire year on the Police and Criminal Justice system', Osborne says

12:44pm

UK now has a higher employment rate than the USA - first time in 35 years

12:43pm

Abandoning my economic plan is biggest risk, Osborne tells MPs

12:42pm

Budget deficit lower than forecast - figures have been revised....

12:41pm

We have record number of women in work - Osborne

12:41pm

Growth of UK economy in 2014 of 2.7% - 2.3% next year.... 

The Bolton News:

12:36pm

Economic security for people of Britain is our mission, says Chancellor

12:36pm

'Today we support manufacturers and all regions of our country....'

12:35pm

'Deficit down by a third... still one of the highest in Europe though'

12:34pm

Maker, doer or saver? - this Budget is for you: Osborne

12:34pm

Started: Economy recovering faster than forecast, says Osborne

12:31pm

Just heard Andy Murray has split from his coach Ivan Lendl...nothing to do with Budget presumably

12:28pm

Two minutes to go.....

12:27pm

12:16pm

12:12pm

Prime Minister's Questions currently going on in the House .... George Osborne (right) waiting for his turn...

 

The Bolton News:

12:08pm

12:06pm

Budget statement begins at 12:30pm.....

11:56am

While we're waiting, a quick look at the new one pound coin, announced today....

The proposed coin, which will have the same shape as the pre-decimalisation 12-sided "threepenny bit", will be the hardest in the world for criminals to copy, the Government said.

A public competition will also be held to to design the "tails" side of the coin, which is expected to be introduced from 2017.

 

The Bolton News: The new one pound coin announced by the Government will be the most secure coin in circulation in the world (HM Treasury/PA)

11:47am

Off to work we go....  Chancellor George Osborne leaves Number 11 Downing Street and heads to the Commons to deliver his Budget statement...

The Bolton News:

11:40am

Labour leader Ed Miliband tweets his message ahead of today's Budget....
 

11:36am

11:10am

Snap: Photographers gather outside No.11 Downing Street, the official London residence of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, ahead of George Osborne's Budget speech in the House of Commons....

 

The Bolton News:

10:58am

The Bolton News: New figures have revealed another fall in the jobless total.

The Government was given a pre-Budget boost with new figures showing a record number of people in work and continuing falls in unemployment.

Just over 30 million people are now in jobs, up by 459,000 on a year ago, the highest figure since records began in 1971.

The jobless total fell by 63,000 in the quarter to January to 2.33 million, a rate of 7.2%. Most of the fall was among men.

10:58am

George Osborne will deliver his statement at 12:30pm.

10:56am

George Osborne promises a "Budget for a resilient economy" as he prepares to make a pitch to ordinary working people.

The Chancellor is expected to unveil a further rise in the personal allowance above the £10,000 level promised by the coalition, and confirm heavily-trailed childcare subsidies among other measures to help those on lower and middle-incomes.

Aides stressed that despite the economic revival the package would be "steady as she goes", and make little overall impact on the Government's books.

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11:51am Wed 19 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Someone has superglued the Red Box, he can't budge it.
Someone has superglued the Red Box, he can't budge it. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 8

11:54am Wed 19 Mar 14

GRUMPY PARENT says...

Sanctioning people for 13 weeks, putting people on silly courses (so classed as in education) or making them work voluntary does not reduce unemployment it's called fudging figures!
Sanctioning people for 13 weeks, putting people on silly courses (so classed as in education) or making them work voluntary does not reduce unemployment it's called fudging figures! GRUMPY PARENT
  • Score: 66

11:56am Wed 19 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
Sanctioning people for 13 weeks, putting people on silly courses (so classed as in education) or making them work voluntary does not reduce unemployment it's called fudging figures!
Keeps 'em off the streets though.
[quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: Sanctioning people for 13 weeks, putting people on silly courses (so classed as in education) or making them work voluntary does not reduce unemployment it's called fudging figures![/p][/quote]Keeps 'em off the streets though. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -36

11:58am Wed 19 Mar 14

GRUMPY PARENT says...

"A public competition will also be held to to design the "tails" side of the coin, which is expected to be introduced from 2017".

Middle finger springs to mind!
"A public competition will also be held to to design the "tails" side of the coin, which is expected to be introduced from 2017". Middle finger springs to mind! GRUMPY PARENT
  • Score: 13

11:58am Wed 19 Mar 14

yabbadabbadoo256 says...

Something for the working families would be nice Gideon and a bit more to encourage the workshy as well..
Something for the working families would be nice Gideon and a bit more to encourage the workshy as well.. yabbadabbadoo256
  • Score: 20

12:00pm Wed 19 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Looking at the picture of the new pound coin I would say the first thing to do is change the date as it isn't coming into circulation until 2017. Perhaps a silhouette of Vladimir Putin if all goes to plan.
Looking at the picture of the new pound coin I would say the first thing to do is change the date as it isn't coming into circulation until 2017. Perhaps a silhouette of Vladimir Putin if all goes to plan. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -6

12:03pm Wed 19 Mar 14

GRUMPY PARENT says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
Sanctioning people for 13 weeks, putting people on silly courses (so classed as in education) or making them work voluntary does not reduce unemployment it's called fudging figures!
Keeps 'em off the streets though.
Paid for by the tax payer have you any idea how much they pay for these courses and the bus fares to get their and back, No like Cameron you haven't a clue!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: Sanctioning people for 13 weeks, putting people on silly courses (so classed as in education) or making them work voluntary does not reduce unemployment it's called fudging figures![/p][/quote]Keeps 'em off the streets though.[/p][/quote]Paid for by the tax payer have you any idea how much they pay for these courses and the bus fares to get their and back, No like Cameron you haven't a clue! GRUMPY PARENT
  • Score: 19

12:05pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Outside of the Box says...

Fags going up, Alcohol going up, Fuel going Food going up, the only coming down is our underwear so George Osborne can shaft us all.
Fags going up, Alcohol going up, Fuel going Food going up, the only coming down is our underwear so George Osborne can shaft us all. Outside of the Box
  • Score: 33

12:10pm Wed 19 Mar 14

GRUMPY PARENT says...

Outside of the Box wrote:
Fags going up, Alcohol going up, Fuel going Food going up, the only coming down is our underwear so George Osborne can shaft us all.
That's funny :-)
[quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote: Fags going up, Alcohol going up, Fuel going Food going up, the only coming down is our underwear so George Osborne can shaft us all.[/p][/quote]That's funny :-) GRUMPY PARENT
  • Score: 3

12:18pm Wed 19 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
Sanctioning people for 13 weeks, putting people on silly courses (so classed as in education) or making them work voluntary does not reduce unemployment it's called fudging figures!
Keeps 'em off the streets though.
Paid for by the tax payer have you any idea how much they pay for these courses and the bus fares to get their and back, No like Cameron you haven't a clue!
Now that is as bad an insult as you could have made, as a Socialist to be likened to Cameron is as bad as it gets. I am a tax payer and if these courses are deemed by some to be useful then that's OK by me, it is a long time since my vote did any good, so I have to abide by the majority, who don't vote like me, to decide how my money is to be spent. I don't pay bus fare so I don't know how much it would be anyhow. you are probably correct, when it comes to politics I really am clueless and leave it those that know what they are talking about and are willing to serve their Country, some badly I cannot deny. Do you think we will have a coalition next time and would that be good or bad? The current incumbents would surprise me if they do anything sensible for the poor and needy, it isn't in their interest.
[quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: Sanctioning people for 13 weeks, putting people on silly courses (so classed as in education) or making them work voluntary does not reduce unemployment it's called fudging figures![/p][/quote]Keeps 'em off the streets though.[/p][/quote]Paid for by the tax payer have you any idea how much they pay for these courses and the bus fares to get their and back, No like Cameron you haven't a clue![/p][/quote]Now that is as bad an insult as you could have made, as a Socialist to be likened to Cameron is as bad as it gets. I am a tax payer and if these courses are deemed by some to be useful then that's OK by me, it is a long time since my vote did any good, so I have to abide by the majority, who don't vote like me, to decide how my money is to be spent. I don't pay bus fare so I don't know how much it would be anyhow. you are probably correct, when it comes to politics I really am clueless and leave it those that know what they are talking about and are willing to serve their Country, some badly I cannot deny. Do you think we will have a coalition next time and would that be good or bad? The current incumbents would surprise me if they do anything sensible for the poor and needy, it isn't in their interest. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 3

12:22pm Wed 19 Mar 14

FoodCraft says...

Maybe he’d like to remove the unfair 20% VAT on hot food that most chippys have to pay …..
Maybe he’d like to remove the unfair 20% VAT on hot food that most chippys have to pay ….. FoodCraft
  • Score: 15

12:22pm Wed 19 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Looking at the picture of the new pound coin I would say the first thing to do is change the date as it isn't coming into circulation until 2017. Perhaps a silhouette of Vladimir Putin if all goes to plan.
Just to make sure that you know I was being silly, I am no revolutionary.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Looking at the picture of the new pound coin I would say the first thing to do is change the date as it isn't coming into circulation until 2017. Perhaps a silhouette of Vladimir Putin if all goes to plan.[/p][/quote]Just to make sure that you know I was being silly, I am no revolutionary. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -6

12:24pm Wed 19 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

FoodCraft wrote:
Maybe he’d like to remove the unfair 20% VAT on hot food that most chippys have to pay …..
Gives a new meaning to take aways!
[quote][p][bold]FoodCraft[/bold] wrote: Maybe he’d like to remove the unfair 20% VAT on hot food that most chippys have to pay …..[/p][/quote]Gives a new meaning to take aways! OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -4

12:31pm Wed 19 Mar 14

FoodCraft says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
FoodCraft wrote:
Maybe he’d like to remove the unfair 20% VAT on hot food that most chippys have to pay …..
Gives a new meaning to take aways!
It does indeed!

Chippys could lower the cost of food, pay a higher wage (as we used too) and actually compete with the other takeaways for change! Too many in our trade simply cannot sustain themselves having to pay out such an unjustified amount in VAT!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FoodCraft[/bold] wrote: Maybe he’d like to remove the unfair 20% VAT on hot food that most chippys have to pay …..[/p][/quote]Gives a new meaning to take aways![/p][/quote]It does indeed! Chippys could lower the cost of food, pay a higher wage (as we used too) and actually compete with the other takeaways for change! Too many in our trade simply cannot sustain themselves having to pay out such an unjustified amount in VAT! FoodCraft
  • Score: 0

12:33pm Wed 19 Mar 14

BoscVegas says...

FoodCraft wrote:
Maybe he’d like to remove the unfair 20% VAT on hot food that most chippys have to pay …..
any VAT reduction would be passed on to the customer so how is it any different? unless you are not planning to pass the saving on to your local customers and take an extra 20% for yourself.
[quote][p][bold]FoodCraft[/bold] wrote: Maybe he’d like to remove the unfair 20% VAT on hot food that most chippys have to pay …..[/p][/quote]any VAT reduction would be passed on to the customer so how is it any different? unless you are not planning to pass the saving on to your local customers and take an extra 20% for yourself. BoscVegas
  • Score: 19

12:34pm Wed 19 Mar 14

white rabbit9 says...

Can't even tell the truth on here, GREAT! The truth really must hurt some people.
Can't even tell the truth on here, GREAT! The truth really must hurt some people. white rabbit9
  • Score: -2

12:34pm Wed 19 Mar 14

ekimnoslen says...

The rich will get wealthier and the poor even worse off.
Why bother with another puerile budget
The rich will get wealthier and the poor even worse off. Why bother with another puerile budget ekimnoslen
  • Score: 21

12:35pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Nick Tessla says...

FoodCraft wrote:
Maybe he’d like to remove the unfair 20% VAT on hot food that most chippys have to pay …..
.....as do many other takeaways.

Considering the stats about people being overweight or even obese it is hard to justify reducing VAT on fatty foods.
[quote][p][bold]FoodCraft[/bold] wrote: Maybe he’d like to remove the unfair 20% VAT on hot food that most chippys have to pay …..[/p][/quote].....as do many other takeaways. Considering the stats about people being overweight or even obese it is hard to justify reducing VAT on fatty foods. Nick Tessla
  • Score: 5

12:36pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Andy2010 says...

FoodCraft wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
FoodCraft wrote:
Maybe he’d like to remove the unfair 20% VAT on hot food that most chippys have to pay …..
Gives a new meaning to take aways!
It does indeed!

Chippys could lower the cost of food, pay a higher wage (as we used too) and actually compete with the other takeaways for change! Too many in our trade simply cannot sustain themselves having to pay out such an unjustified amount in VAT!
To compete with other takeaways its quite simple. Adopt their opening hours.

Most chippy's have limited opening times with no delivery and dont even sign up to things like Just eat

Roll with the times or get left behind
[quote][p][bold]FoodCraft[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FoodCraft[/bold] wrote: Maybe he’d like to remove the unfair 20% VAT on hot food that most chippys have to pay …..[/p][/quote]Gives a new meaning to take aways![/p][/quote]It does indeed! Chippys could lower the cost of food, pay a higher wage (as we used too) and actually compete with the other takeaways for change! Too many in our trade simply cannot sustain themselves having to pay out such an unjustified amount in VAT![/p][/quote]To compete with other takeaways its quite simple. Adopt their opening hours. Most chippy's have limited opening times with no delivery and dont even sign up to things like Just eat Roll with the times or get left behind Andy2010
  • Score: 12

12:44pm Wed 19 Mar 14

white rabbit9 says...

“Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.”
― George Orwell
“Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.” ― George Orwell white rabbit9
  • Score: -21

12:48pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Kim Gandy says...

I like the new £1 coin.
I like the new £1 coin. Kim Gandy
  • Score: 9

12:53pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Andy2010 says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
I like the new £1 coin.
Me too although bet Vending Machine operators and Shopping trolley manufacturers are cursing this morning
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: I like the new £1 coin.[/p][/quote]Me too although bet Vending Machine operators and Shopping trolley manufacturers are cursing this morning Andy2010
  • Score: 23

12:55pm Wed 19 Mar 14

shaggy1 says...

we live from day to day, just another mad world shaggy1
we live from day to day, just another mad world shaggy1 shaggy1
  • Score: 1

12:59pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Nick Tessla says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
I like the new £1 coin.
Nice symbolism - multi coloured to reflect multi-culturism and the same number of sides as the stars on the EU flag.

Looks designed to wear holes in pockets.

They were saying on the news that it is a tribute to the queen as it is inspired by her threepenny bits --------------------
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orry, I mean the threepenny bits that were in circulation when she came to the throne.
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: I like the new £1 coin.[/p][/quote]Nice symbolism - multi coloured to reflect multi-culturism and the same number of sides as the stars on the EU flag. Looks designed to wear holes in pockets. They were saying on the news that it is a tribute to the queen as it is inspired by her threepenny bits -------------------- -------------------- -------------------- -------------------s orry, I mean the threepenny bits that were in circulation when she came to the throne. Nick Tessla
  • Score: -10

1:00pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Kim Gandy says...

masterstroke, reference to king John and his unruly barons...

Great idea supporting the 800th anniversary of the signing of the Magna Carta, something Liebour has sh@t all over - and the money to repair cathedrals that will be taking part in the WWI commemoration.

Can you see Liebour celebrating our own culture this way... nope, they'd send the money to some far flung foreign regime or some daft made up local "minority" group.

Not a fan of George Osborne or the Tories but I do like my money being spent on MY country. For a change.
masterstroke, reference to king John and his unruly barons... Great idea supporting the 800th anniversary of the signing of the Magna Carta, something Liebour has sh@t all over - and the money to repair cathedrals that will be taking part in the WWI commemoration. Can you see Liebour celebrating our own culture this way... nope, they'd send the money to some far flung foreign regime or some daft made up local "minority" group. Not a fan of George Osborne or the Tories but I do like my money being spent on MY country. For a change. Kim Gandy
  • Score: 12

1:04pm Wed 19 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
I like the new £1 coin.
I would like to own lots more of them, that isn't going to happen!
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: I like the new £1 coin.[/p][/quote]I would like to own lots more of them, that isn't going to happen! OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 4

1:04pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Nick Tessla says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
masterstroke, reference to king John and his unruly barons...

Great idea supporting the 800th anniversary of the signing of the Magna Carta, something Liebour has sh@t all over - and the money to repair cathedrals that will be taking part in the WWI commemoration.

Can you see Liebour celebrating our own culture this way... nope, they'd send the money to some far flung foreign regime or some daft made up local "minority" group.

Not a fan of George Osborne or the Tories but I do like my money being spent on MY country. For a change.
An awful lot of people from "minority" groups (your quote marks not mine) were brought In from far flung countries to fight for your country in WWI.
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: masterstroke, reference to king John and his unruly barons... Great idea supporting the 800th anniversary of the signing of the Magna Carta, something Liebour has sh@t all over - and the money to repair cathedrals that will be taking part in the WWI commemoration. Can you see Liebour celebrating our own culture this way... nope, they'd send the money to some far flung foreign regime or some daft made up local "minority" group. Not a fan of George Osborne or the Tories but I do like my money being spent on MY country. For a change.[/p][/quote]An awful lot of people from "minority" groups (your quote marks not mine) were brought In from far flung countries to fight for your country in WWI. Nick Tessla
  • Score: -2

1:07pm Wed 19 Mar 14

bigfella777 says...

George Osborne is a genius, this is how a country should be run. I hope we never go back to boom and bust again.
George Osborne is a genius, this is how a country should be run. I hope we never go back to boom and bust again. bigfella777
  • Score: -3

1:08pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Nick Tessla says...

An institute named on honour of Alan Turing. I heartily approve.
An institute named on honour of Alan Turing. I heartily approve. Nick Tessla
  • Score: 27

1:13pm Wed 19 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

VAT on fuel for Air Ambulances and Inshore Rescue boat services dropped... new air ambulance for London I am all for that should have been done ages ago.
VAT on fuel for Air Ambulances and Inshore Rescue boat services dropped... new air ambulance for London I am all for that should have been done ages ago. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 27

1:15pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Kim Gandy says...

Fuel duty rise scrapped. Good, we are well ripped off.

But I'd renationalise energy companies. Not that I believe in Labour style policies but I'd do it out of spite, then regulate them so hard their @rses would squeak.

Trouble is now a lot of it comes from abroad and the EU would stick its oar in.

Another reason for getting out of the EU.
Fuel duty rise scrapped. Good, we are well ripped off. But I'd renationalise energy companies. Not that I believe in Labour style policies but I'd do it out of spite, then regulate them so hard their @rses would squeak. Trouble is now a lot of it comes from abroad and the EU would stick its oar in. Another reason for getting out of the EU. Kim Gandy
  • Score: 24

1:16pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Gypo.Joe says...

I smell bored bankster boys.

Markets dead lads ?
I smell bored bankster boys. Markets dead lads ? Gypo.Joe
  • Score: -11

1:18pm Wed 19 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Penny off a pint of beer, now where can I find a local pub? Too late they have all been turned into Supermarkets, Takeaways or car parks.
Penny off a pint of beer, now where can I find a local pub? Too late they have all been turned into Supermarkets, Takeaways or car parks. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 19

1:21pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Nick Tessla says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
Fuel duty rise scrapped. Good, we are well ripped off.

But I'd renationalise energy companies. Not that I believe in Labour style policies but I'd do it out of spite, then regulate them so hard their @rses would squeak.

Trouble is now a lot of it comes from abroad and the EU would stick its oar in.

Another reason for getting out of the EU.
Er no, pulling out of the EU would do nothing to improve our situation re foreign sources of fuel. Our reduced influence would mean the exact opposite.
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: Fuel duty rise scrapped. Good, we are well ripped off. But I'd renationalise energy companies. Not that I believe in Labour style policies but I'd do it out of spite, then regulate them so hard their @rses would squeak. Trouble is now a lot of it comes from abroad and the EU would stick its oar in. Another reason for getting out of the EU.[/p][/quote]Er no, pulling out of the EU would do nothing to improve our situation re foreign sources of fuel. Our reduced influence would mean the exact opposite. Nick Tessla
  • Score: -12

1:21pm Wed 19 Mar 14

GoingGreen says...

Kim Gandy wrote:
Fuel duty rise scrapped. Good, we are well ripped off.

But I'd renationalise energy companies. Not that I believe in Labour style policies but I'd do it out of spite, then regulate them so hard their @rses would squeak.

Trouble is now a lot of it comes from abroad and the EU would stick its oar in.

Another reason for getting out of the EU.
Fuel is a privilege. Expect to pay more and more for it.
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: Fuel duty rise scrapped. Good, we are well ripped off. But I'd renationalise energy companies. Not that I believe in Labour style policies but I'd do it out of spite, then regulate them so hard their @rses would squeak. Trouble is now a lot of it comes from abroad and the EU would stick its oar in. Another reason for getting out of the EU.[/p][/quote]Fuel is a privilege. Expect to pay more and more for it. GoingGreen
  • Score: -22

1:22pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Nick Tessla says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Penny off a pint of beer, now where can I find a local pub? Too late they have all been turned into Supermarkets, Takeaways or car parks.
They paved paradise And put up a parking lot
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Penny off a pint of beer, now where can I find a local pub? Too late they have all been turned into Supermarkets, Takeaways or car parks.[/p][/quote]They paved paradise And put up a parking lot Nick Tessla
  • Score: 6

1:24pm Wed 19 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Gypo.Joe wrote:
I smell bored bankster boys.

Markets dead lads ?
That's an odd hobby, where do you go to do that?
[quote][p][bold]Gypo.Joe[/bold] wrote: I smell bored bankster boys. Markets dead lads ?[/p][/quote]That's an odd hobby, where do you go to do that? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 12

1:28pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Andy2010 says...

Nick Tessla wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
Fuel duty rise scrapped. Good, we are well ripped off.

But I'd renationalise energy companies. Not that I believe in Labour style policies but I'd do it out of spite, then regulate them so hard their @rses would squeak.

Trouble is now a lot of it comes from abroad and the EU would stick its oar in.

Another reason for getting out of the EU.
Er no, pulling out of the EU would do nothing to improve our situation re foreign sources of fuel. Our reduced influence would mean the exact opposite.
If things get any worse with Russia expect to pay a LOT more for gas
[quote][p][bold]Nick Tessla[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: Fuel duty rise scrapped. Good, we are well ripped off. But I'd renationalise energy companies. Not that I believe in Labour style policies but I'd do it out of spite, then regulate them so hard their @rses would squeak. Trouble is now a lot of it comes from abroad and the EU would stick its oar in. Another reason for getting out of the EU.[/p][/quote]Er no, pulling out of the EU would do nothing to improve our situation re foreign sources of fuel. Our reduced influence would mean the exact opposite.[/p][/quote]If things get any worse with Russia expect to pay a LOT more for gas Andy2010
  • Score: 14

1:30pm Wed 19 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Andy2010 wrote:
Nick Tessla wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
Fuel duty rise scrapped. Good, we are well ripped off.

But I'd renationalise energy companies. Not that I believe in Labour style policies but I'd do it out of spite, then regulate them so hard their @rses would squeak.

Trouble is now a lot of it comes from abroad and the EU would stick its oar in.

Another reason for getting out of the EU.
Er no, pulling out of the EU would do nothing to improve our situation re foreign sources of fuel. Our reduced influence would mean the exact opposite.
If things get any worse with Russia expect to pay a LOT more for gas
Pity they can't cap the hot air that we get on these threads! Have to find another fracking way to get it.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nick Tessla[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: Fuel duty rise scrapped. Good, we are well ripped off. But I'd renationalise energy companies. Not that I believe in Labour style policies but I'd do it out of spite, then regulate them so hard their @rses would squeak. Trouble is now a lot of it comes from abroad and the EU would stick its oar in. Another reason for getting out of the EU.[/p][/quote]Er no, pulling out of the EU would do nothing to improve our situation re foreign sources of fuel. Our reduced influence would mean the exact opposite.[/p][/quote]If things get any worse with Russia expect to pay a LOT more for gas[/p][/quote]Pity they can't cap the hot air that we get on these threads! Have to find another fracking way to get it. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 9

1:34pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Nick Tessla says...

Andy2010 wrote:
Nick Tessla wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
Fuel duty rise scrapped. Good, we are well ripped off.

But I'd renationalise energy companies. Not that I believe in Labour style policies but I'd do it out of spite, then regulate them so hard their @rses would squeak.

Trouble is now a lot of it comes from abroad and the EU would stick its oar in.

Another reason for getting out of the EU.
Er no, pulling out of the EU would do nothing to improve our situation re foreign sources of fuel. Our reduced influence would mean the exact opposite.
If things get any worse with Russia expect to pay a LOT more for gas
If things get much worse, the price of petrol will be the least of things to worry about.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nick Tessla[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: Fuel duty rise scrapped. Good, we are well ripped off. But I'd renationalise energy companies. Not that I believe in Labour style policies but I'd do it out of spite, then regulate them so hard their @rses would squeak. Trouble is now a lot of it comes from abroad and the EU would stick its oar in. Another reason for getting out of the EU.[/p][/quote]Er no, pulling out of the EU would do nothing to improve our situation re foreign sources of fuel. Our reduced influence would mean the exact opposite.[/p][/quote]If things get any worse with Russia expect to pay a LOT more for gas[/p][/quote]If things get much worse, the price of petrol will be the least of things to worry about. Nick Tessla
  • Score: 8

1:37pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Nick Tessla says...

Nick Tessla wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Nick Tessla wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
Fuel duty rise scrapped. Good, we are well ripped off.

But I'd renationalise energy companies. Not that I believe in Labour style policies but I'd do it out of spite, then regulate them so hard their @rses would squeak.

Trouble is now a lot of it comes from abroad and the EU would stick its oar in.

Another reason for getting out of the EU.
Er no, pulling out of the EU would do nothing to improve our situation re foreign sources of fuel. Our reduced influence would mean the exact opposite.
If things get any worse with Russia expect to pay a LOT more for gas
If things get much worse, the price of petrol will be the least of things to worry about.
Sorry I mean gas - not turning American, honest!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Nick Tessla[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nick Tessla[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: Fuel duty rise scrapped. Good, we are well ripped off. But I'd renationalise energy companies. Not that I believe in Labour style policies but I'd do it out of spite, then regulate them so hard their @rses would squeak. Trouble is now a lot of it comes from abroad and the EU would stick its oar in. Another reason for getting out of the EU.[/p][/quote]Er no, pulling out of the EU would do nothing to improve our situation re foreign sources of fuel. Our reduced influence would mean the exact opposite.[/p][/quote]If things get any worse with Russia expect to pay a LOT more for gas[/p][/quote]If things get much worse, the price of petrol will be the least of things to worry about.[/p][/quote]Sorry I mean gas - not turning American, honest!!!!!! Nick Tessla
  • Score: 5

1:38pm Wed 19 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

white rabbit9 wrote:
Can't even tell the truth on here, GREAT! The truth really must hurt some people.
.. aint that just the truth?
[quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: Can't even tell the truth on here, GREAT! The truth really must hurt some people.[/p][/quote].. aint that just the truth? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

1:40pm Wed 19 Mar 14

bigbob123 says...

This would not happen under a Dave Whelan government
This would not happen under a Dave Whelan government bigbob123
  • Score: -3

1:40pm Wed 19 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Nick Tessla wrote:
Nick Tessla wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Nick Tessla wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
Fuel duty rise scrapped. Good, we are well ripped off.

But I'd renationalise energy companies. Not that I believe in Labour style policies but I'd do it out of spite, then regulate them so hard their @rses would squeak.

Trouble is now a lot of it comes from abroad and the EU would stick its oar in.

Another reason for getting out of the EU.
Er no, pulling out of the EU would do nothing to improve our situation re foreign sources of fuel. Our reduced influence would mean the exact opposite.
If things get any worse with Russia expect to pay a LOT more for gas
If things get much worse, the price of petrol will be the least of things to worry about.
Sorry I mean gas - not turning American, honest!!!!!!
You were right first time, gas and fuel will cost more to import, from wherever it is sourced.
[quote][p][bold]Nick Tessla[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nick Tessla[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nick Tessla[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: Fuel duty rise scrapped. Good, we are well ripped off. But I'd renationalise energy companies. Not that I believe in Labour style policies but I'd do it out of spite, then regulate them so hard their @rses would squeak. Trouble is now a lot of it comes from abroad and the EU would stick its oar in. Another reason for getting out of the EU.[/p][/quote]Er no, pulling out of the EU would do nothing to improve our situation re foreign sources of fuel. Our reduced influence would mean the exact opposite.[/p][/quote]If things get any worse with Russia expect to pay a LOT more for gas[/p][/quote]If things get much worse, the price of petrol will be the least of things to worry about.[/p][/quote]Sorry I mean gas - not turning American, honest!!!!!![/p][/quote]You were right first time, gas and fuel will cost more to import, from wherever it is sourced. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 8

1:42pm Wed 19 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

bigbob123 wrote:
This would not happen under a Dave Whelan government
Will he become a Wigan peer?
[quote][p][bold]bigbob123[/bold] wrote: This would not happen under a Dave Whelan government[/p][/quote]Will he become a Wigan peer? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 6

1:44pm Wed 19 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

bigfella777 wrote:
George Osborne is a genius, this is how a country should be run. I hope we never go back to boom and bust again.
Flawed Genius perhaps, I liked a bit of boom, but as for bust...........
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: George Osborne is a genius, this is how a country should be run. I hope we never go back to boom and bust again.[/p][/quote]Flawed Genius perhaps, I liked a bit of boom, but as for bust........... OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

1:46pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Villagecranberry says...

Fags and Booze must go up, people are daring NHS by their reckless indulgences and becoming a drain hogging hospital wards. Great news, as for fuel, in a few years time people will be looking back and commenting that our daft generation were spending £4.00 a gallon of petrol to sit in traffic or crawl along at a snails pace wasting precious resources and time, when it is quicker by bicycle or walking.
Fags and Booze must go up, people are daring NHS by their reckless indulgences and becoming a drain hogging hospital wards. Great news, as for fuel, in a few years time people will be looking back and commenting that our daft generation were spending £4.00 a gallon of petrol to sit in traffic or crawl along at a snails pace wasting precious resources and time, when it is quicker by bicycle or walking. Villagecranberry
  • Score: 5

1:58pm Wed 19 Mar 14

jjlad2 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Nick Tessla wrote:
Nick Tessla wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Nick Tessla wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote: Fuel duty rise scrapped. Good, we are well ripped off. But I'd renationalise energy companies. Not that I believe in Labour style policies but I'd do it out of spite, then regulate them so hard their @rses would squeak. Trouble is now a lot of it comes from abroad and the EU would stick its oar in. Another reason for getting out of the EU.
Er no, pulling out of the EU would do nothing to improve our situation re foreign sources of fuel. Our reduced influence would mean the exact opposite.
If things get any worse with Russia expect to pay a LOT more for gas
If things get much worse, the price of petrol will be the least of things to worry about.
Sorry I mean gas - not turning American, honest!!!!!!
You were right first time, gas and fuel will cost more to import, from wherever it is sourced.
It sure will, then we will see all the moaners on here again for high prices to pay, im talking those that against natual resources like Windfarms etc, I would love to have a small one in my Garden to supply all my needs, but hey ho, we are not that green as the Planning objected to it....???? would that be because the Govt lose revenue? a viscious circle me thinks.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nick Tessla[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nick Tessla[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nick Tessla[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: Fuel duty rise scrapped. Good, we are well ripped off. But I'd renationalise energy companies. Not that I believe in Labour style policies but I'd do it out of spite, then regulate them so hard their @rses would squeak. Trouble is now a lot of it comes from abroad and the EU would stick its oar in. Another reason for getting out of the EU.[/p][/quote]Er no, pulling out of the EU would do nothing to improve our situation re foreign sources of fuel. Our reduced influence would mean the exact opposite.[/p][/quote]If things get any worse with Russia expect to pay a LOT more for gas[/p][/quote]If things get much worse, the price of petrol will be the least of things to worry about.[/p][/quote]Sorry I mean gas - not turning American, honest!!!!!![/p][/quote]You were right first time, gas and fuel will cost more to import, from wherever it is sourced.[/p][/quote]It sure will, then we will see all the moaners on here again for high prices to pay, im talking those that against natual resources like Windfarms etc, I would love to have a small one in my Garden to supply all my needs, but hey ho, we are not that green as the Planning objected to it....???? would that be because the Govt lose revenue? a viscious circle me thinks. jjlad2
  • Score: -5

2:08pm Wed 19 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

As a working class Pensioner I did not expect to get anything out of a Tory Chancellor, I don't think I have been disappointed in being right. No doubt there may be nuances in the small print but I see no reason to Vote for him!
As a working class Pensioner I did not expect to get anything out of a Tory Chancellor, I don't think I have been disappointed in being right. No doubt there may be nuances in the small print but I see no reason to Vote for him! OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

2:10pm Wed 19 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

jjlad2 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Nick Tessla wrote:
Nick Tessla wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Nick Tessla wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote: Fuel duty rise scrapped. Good, we are well ripped off. But I'd renationalise energy companies. Not that I believe in Labour style policies but I'd do it out of spite, then regulate them so hard their @rses would squeak. Trouble is now a lot of it comes from abroad and the EU would stick its oar in. Another reason for getting out of the EU.
Er no, pulling out of the EU would do nothing to improve our situation re foreign sources of fuel. Our reduced influence would mean the exact opposite.
If things get any worse with Russia expect to pay a LOT more for gas
If things get much worse, the price of petrol will be the least of things to worry about.
Sorry I mean gas - not turning American, honest!!!!!!
You were right first time, gas and fuel will cost more to import, from wherever it is sourced.
It sure will, then we will see all the moaners on here again for high prices to pay, im talking those that against natual resources like Windfarms etc, I would love to have a small one in my Garden to supply all my needs, but hey ho, we are not that green as the Planning objected to it....???? would that be because the Govt lose revenue? a viscious circle me thinks.
We are still sitting on a "gold" mine, there are natural resources that could be used if there was effort to find ways of using it without destroying the ecology, i.e. coal.
[quote][p][bold]jjlad2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nick Tessla[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nick Tessla[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nick Tessla[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: Fuel duty rise scrapped. Good, we are well ripped off. But I'd renationalise energy companies. Not that I believe in Labour style policies but I'd do it out of spite, then regulate them so hard their @rses would squeak. Trouble is now a lot of it comes from abroad and the EU would stick its oar in. Another reason for getting out of the EU.[/p][/quote]Er no, pulling out of the EU would do nothing to improve our situation re foreign sources of fuel. Our reduced influence would mean the exact opposite.[/p][/quote]If things get any worse with Russia expect to pay a LOT more for gas[/p][/quote]If things get much worse, the price of petrol will be the least of things to worry about.[/p][/quote]Sorry I mean gas - not turning American, honest!!!!!![/p][/quote]You were right first time, gas and fuel will cost more to import, from wherever it is sourced.[/p][/quote]It sure will, then we will see all the moaners on here again for high prices to pay, im talking those that against natual resources like Windfarms etc, I would love to have a small one in my Garden to supply all my needs, but hey ho, we are not that green as the Planning objected to it....???? would that be because the Govt lose revenue? a viscious circle me thinks.[/p][/quote]We are still sitting on a "gold" mine, there are natural resources that could be used if there was effort to find ways of using it without destroying the ecology, i.e. coal. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 6

2:18pm Wed 19 Mar 14

BertSanders says...

All these jobs - its worrying
All these jobs - its worrying BertSanders
  • Score: 7

2:21pm Wed 19 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

white rabbit9 wrote:
“Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.”
― George Orwell
Liberty is the right to disagree without being executed.
[quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: “Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.” ― George Orwell[/p][/quote]Liberty is the right to disagree without being executed. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 10

2:22pm Wed 19 Mar 14

whateverhappened says...

1 big ISA :)
BIGGER jisa :)
premium bonds up :)
raise the 40% tax band :)
start tax higher :)
what is not to like..
1 big ISA :) BIGGER jisa :) premium bonds up :) raise the 40% tax band :) start tax higher :) what is not to like.. whateverhappened
  • Score: 8

2:23pm Wed 19 Mar 14

good-gosh says...

Re ISAs - it's not much good putting £15K a year in ISAs when the interest is so poor. May as well leave it in a regular saving account and pay the tax, but then be free to move it when the expected rates start increasing.
Re ISAs - it's not much good putting £15K a year in ISAs when the interest is so poor. May as well leave it in a regular saving account and pay the tax, but then be free to move it when the expected rates start increasing. good-gosh
  • Score: 15

2:25pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Nick Tessla says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
white rabbit9 wrote:
“Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.”
― George Orwell
Liberty is the right to disagree without being executed.
Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose,
And nothin' ain't worth nothin' but it's free,
Feelin' good was easy, Lord, when Bobby sang the blues,
And buddy, that was good enough for me,
Good enough for me and my Bobby McGee.


Come on - sing up!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: “Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.” ― George Orwell[/p][/quote]Liberty is the right to disagree without being executed.[/p][/quote]Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose, And nothin' ain't worth nothin' but it's free, Feelin' good was easy, Lord, when Bobby sang the blues, And buddy, that was good enough for me, Good enough for me and my Bobby McGee. Come on - sing up! Nick Tessla
  • Score: -3

2:25pm Wed 19 Mar 14

smhinto says...

What about imposing car parking fees for the 'Diddley's' as up to this date they can park in any Council car park for free and be immune from prosecution.
.
Unlike the normal populous who are always expected to pay their way.
.
Just a thought.
What about imposing car parking fees for the 'Diddley's' as up to this date they can park in any Council car park for free and be immune from prosecution. . Unlike the normal populous who are always expected to pay their way. . Just a thought. smhinto
  • Score: 5

2:29pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Nick Tessla says...

smhinto wrote:
What about imposing car parking fees for the 'Diddley's' as up to this date they can park in any Council car park for free and be immune from prosecution.
.
Unlike the normal populous who are always expected to pay their way.
.
Just a thought.
Diddleys?
[quote][p][bold]smhinto[/bold] wrote: What about imposing car parking fees for the 'Diddley's' as up to this date they can park in any Council car park for free and be immune from prosecution. . Unlike the normal populous who are always expected to pay their way. . Just a thought.[/p][/quote]Diddleys? Nick Tessla
  • Score: 5

2:33pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Beyond News Forum says...

All I heard was a load of fluster and pomp.

Same old same old BSing around a budget that is not fit for purpose. I do not deny that growth is getting better, but living standards have been steadily on the decline while the elite are looked after.

With a figure over a £1-trillion it does not take a rocket scientist to work out that that level of debt cannot be brought down due to interest alone.
All I heard was a load of fluster and pomp. Same old same old BSing around a budget that is not fit for purpose. I do not deny that growth is getting better, but living standards have been steadily on the decline while the elite are looked after. With a figure over a £1-trillion it does not take a rocket scientist to work out that that level of debt cannot be brought down due to interest alone. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: -1

2:34pm Wed 19 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

smhinto wrote:
What about imposing car parking fees for the 'Diddley's' as up to this date they can park in any Council car park for free and be immune from prosecution.
.
Unlike the normal populous who are always expected to pay their way.
.
Just a thought.
How about a "Window Tax" on their caravans, Romany exempt.
[quote][p][bold]smhinto[/bold] wrote: What about imposing car parking fees for the 'Diddley's' as up to this date they can park in any Council car park for free and be immune from prosecution. . Unlike the normal populous who are always expected to pay their way. . Just a thought.[/p][/quote]How about a "Window Tax" on their caravans, Romany exempt. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

2:35pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Beyond News Forum says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
white rabbit9 wrote:
“Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.”
― George Orwell
Liberty is the right to disagree without being executed.
Rights are not just for humans... the government gets them to.
~ Me!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: “Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.” ― George Orwell[/p][/quote]Liberty is the right to disagree without being executed.[/p][/quote]Rights are not just for humans... the government gets them to. ~ Me! Beyond News Forum
  • Score: -1

2:35pm Wed 19 Mar 14

cosmick says...

LIBLABCON cheating and lies.
LIBLABCON cheating and lies. cosmick
  • Score: 4

2:38pm Wed 19 Mar 14

pauls55 says...

bigfella777 wrote:
George Osborne is a genius, this is how a country should be run. I hope we never go back to boom and bust again.
Despite all the rhetoric the fact Osborne doesnt admit to is that he has borrowed more in four years than Labour did in thirteen, mainly to help all his Eton pals while food banks boom. In a few years time we'll all be talking about the mess the ConDems left us in.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: George Osborne is a genius, this is how a country should be run. I hope we never go back to boom and bust again.[/p][/quote]Despite all the rhetoric the fact Osborne doesnt admit to is that he has borrowed more in four years than Labour did in thirteen, mainly to help all his Eton pals while food banks boom. In a few years time we'll all be talking about the mess the ConDems left us in. pauls55
  • Score: 11

2:44pm Wed 19 Mar 14

gilbertratchet says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
Sanctioning people for 13 weeks, putting people on silly courses (so classed as in education) or making them work voluntary does not reduce unemployment it's called fudging figures!
Keeps 'em off the streets though.
Not only that, but it makes "being on the dole" that little bit less attractive as a career choice.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: Sanctioning people for 13 weeks, putting people on silly courses (so classed as in education) or making them work voluntary does not reduce unemployment it's called fudging figures![/p][/quote]Keeps 'em off the streets though.[/p][/quote]Not only that, but it makes "being on the dole" that little bit less attractive as a career choice. gilbertratchet
  • Score: -11

2:45pm Wed 19 Mar 14

PaulErith says...

Andy2010 wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
I like the new £1 coin.
Me too although bet Vending Machine operators and Shopping trolley manufacturers are cursing this morning
Surely by 2017 we should have evolved into a cashless society. A physical note or coin is outdated. With the 'contactless payment' becoming more and more common, I hardly ever have to use coins. It's so much easier to pay by card. We should be thinking about a plan to get rid of physical currrency.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: I like the new £1 coin.[/p][/quote]Me too although bet Vending Machine operators and Shopping trolley manufacturers are cursing this morning[/p][/quote]Surely by 2017 we should have evolved into a cashless society. A physical note or coin is outdated. With the 'contactless payment' becoming more and more common, I hardly ever have to use coins. It's so much easier to pay by card. We should be thinking about a plan to get rid of physical currrency. PaulErith
  • Score: -12

2:47pm Wed 19 Mar 14

gilbertratchet says...

FoodCraft wrote:
Maybe he’d like to remove the unfair 20% VAT on hot food that most chippys have to pay …..
Why is it unfair? VAT is literally a Tax on the Value Added. The value that's added here is, it's been heated up.
[quote][p][bold]FoodCraft[/bold] wrote: Maybe he’d like to remove the unfair 20% VAT on hot food that most chippys have to pay …..[/p][/quote]Why is it unfair? VAT is literally a Tax on the Value Added. The value that's added here is, it's been heated up. gilbertratchet
  • Score: 4

2:52pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Nick Tessla says...

PaulErith wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
I like the new £1 coin.
Me too although bet Vending Machine operators and Shopping trolley manufacturers are cursing this morning
Surely by 2017 we should have evolved into a cashless society. A physical note or coin is outdated. With the 'contactless payment' becoming more and more common, I hardly ever have to use coins. It's so much easier to pay by card. We should be thinking about a plan to get rid of physical currrency.
Along with hoverboards , everyone dressed in silver jumpsuits, moon colonies and all meals in tablet form.
[quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: I like the new £1 coin.[/p][/quote]Me too although bet Vending Machine operators and Shopping trolley manufacturers are cursing this morning[/p][/quote]Surely by 2017 we should have evolved into a cashless society. A physical note or coin is outdated. With the 'contactless payment' becoming more and more common, I hardly ever have to use coins. It's so much easier to pay by card. We should be thinking about a plan to get rid of physical currrency.[/p][/quote]Along with hoverboards , everyone dressed in silver jumpsuits, moon colonies and all meals in tablet form. Nick Tessla
  • Score: 8

2:53pm Wed 19 Mar 14

GRUMPY PARENT says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
jjlad2 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Nick Tessla wrote:
Nick Tessla wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Nick Tessla wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote: Fuel duty rise scrapped. Good, we are well ripped off. But I'd renationalise energy companies. Not that I believe in Labour style policies but I'd do it out of spite, then regulate them so hard their @rses would squeak. Trouble is now a lot of it comes from abroad and the EU would stick its oar in. Another reason for getting out of the EU.
Er no, pulling out of the EU would do nothing to improve our situation re foreign sources of fuel. Our reduced influence would mean the exact opposite.
If things get any worse with Russia expect to pay a LOT more for gas
If things get much worse, the price of petrol will be the least of things to worry about.
Sorry I mean gas - not turning American, honest!!!!!!
You were right first time, gas and fuel will cost more to import, from wherever it is sourced.
It sure will, then we will see all the moaners on here again for high prices to pay, im talking those that against natual resources like Windfarms etc, I would love to have a small one in my Garden to supply all my needs, but hey ho, we are not that green as the Planning objected to it....???? would that be because the Govt lose revenue? a viscious circle me thinks.
We are still sitting on a "gold" mine, there are natural resources that could be used if there was effort to find ways of using it without destroying the ecology, i.e. coal.
Does it even occur to you that the Government might be reserving our natural resources for when fuel really does become a problem and hard to find?!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jjlad2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nick Tessla[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nick Tessla[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nick Tessla[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: Fuel duty rise scrapped. Good, we are well ripped off. But I'd renationalise energy companies. Not that I believe in Labour style policies but I'd do it out of spite, then regulate them so hard their @rses would squeak. Trouble is now a lot of it comes from abroad and the EU would stick its oar in. Another reason for getting out of the EU.[/p][/quote]Er no, pulling out of the EU would do nothing to improve our situation re foreign sources of fuel. Our reduced influence would mean the exact opposite.[/p][/quote]If things get any worse with Russia expect to pay a LOT more for gas[/p][/quote]If things get much worse, the price of petrol will be the least of things to worry about.[/p][/quote]Sorry I mean gas - not turning American, honest!!!!!![/p][/quote]You were right first time, gas and fuel will cost more to import, from wherever it is sourced.[/p][/quote]It sure will, then we will see all the moaners on here again for high prices to pay, im talking those that against natual resources like Windfarms etc, I would love to have a small one in my Garden to supply all my needs, but hey ho, we are not that green as the Planning objected to it....???? would that be because the Govt lose revenue? a viscious circle me thinks.[/p][/quote]We are still sitting on a "gold" mine, there are natural resources that could be used if there was effort to find ways of using it without destroying the ecology, i.e. coal.[/p][/quote]Does it even occur to you that the Government might be reserving our natural resources for when fuel really does become a problem and hard to find?! GRUMPY PARENT
  • Score: 3

2:58pm Wed 19 Mar 14

white rabbit9 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
white rabbit9 wrote:
Can't even tell the truth on here, GREAT! The truth really must hurt some people.
.. aint that just the truth?
Yeap! Why we sqwabble over pennies the controllers are planning world war 3, and this time they have plenty of nukes, for if they don't get there way Rothschilds ISRAEL will nuke all.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: Can't even tell the truth on here, GREAT! The truth really must hurt some people.[/p][/quote].. aint that just the truth?[/p][/quote]Yeap! Why we sqwabble over pennies the controllers are planning world war 3, and this time they have plenty of nukes, for if they don't get there way Rothschilds ISRAEL will nuke all. white rabbit9
  • Score: -14

2:59pm Wed 19 Mar 14

GoingGreen says...

Deal with climate change or it will deal with you.
Deal with climate change or it will deal with you. GoingGreen
  • Score: -6

3:01pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

pauls55 wrote:
bigfella777 wrote: George Osborne is a genius, this is how a country should be run. I hope we never go back to boom and bust again.
Despite all the rhetoric the fact Osborne doesnt admit to is that he has borrowed more in four years than Labour did in thirteen, mainly to help all his Eton pals while food banks boom. In a few years time we'll all be talking about the mess the ConDems left us in.
He borrowed more as the deficit he inherited was far more.

If I gave you a car that had repayments owing of £1000 per month you would have to cover the £1000 per month to keep the car. If you I gave you a car that was paid off it would cost you nothing per month.

So as Osbourne inherited a massive deficit it had to be serviced from day one, unlike Mr Brown who didn't have to borrow much and but by the time he passed it on was borrowing at a level unseen since the war.

Look at today, Labour didn't even let Ed Balls respond to the budget worried he might embarrass the party, thats how much faith they have in their own chancellor.
[quote][p][bold]pauls55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: George Osborne is a genius, this is how a country should be run. I hope we never go back to boom and bust again.[/p][/quote]Despite all the rhetoric the fact Osborne doesnt admit to is that he has borrowed more in four years than Labour did in thirteen, mainly to help all his Eton pals while food banks boom. In a few years time we'll all be talking about the mess the ConDems left us in.[/p][/quote]He borrowed more as the deficit he inherited was far more. If I gave you a car that had repayments owing of £1000 per month you would have to cover the £1000 per month to keep the car. If you I gave you a car that was paid off it would cost you nothing per month. So as Osbourne inherited a massive deficit it had to be serviced from day one, unlike Mr Brown who didn't have to borrow much and but by the time he passed it on was borrowing at a level unseen since the war. Look at today, Labour didn't even let Ed Balls respond to the budget worried he might embarrass the party, thats how much faith they have in their own chancellor. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 7

3:06pm Wed 19 Mar 14

GRUMPY PARENT says...

gilbertratchet wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
Sanctioning people for 13 weeks, putting people on silly courses (so classed as in education) or making them work voluntary does not reduce unemployment it's called fudging figures!
Keeps 'em off the streets though.
Not only that, but it makes "being on the dole" that little bit less attractive as a career choice.
Not everyone wants to be "on the dole" but some have no choice, and unfortunately for people in this country there will always be an element of unemployment. Are you honestly trying to tell me that there is a job for every single person in this country? I do so hope you lose your job in the not so distant future and we will then see if your attitude and opinions change. maybe then when you go to the job centre and they stop your money for 13 weeks lets see how long you can survive! Looked at the crime rate lately? People walking out of shops with trolleys of food etc. Get a grip blue boy.
[quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: Sanctioning people for 13 weeks, putting people on silly courses (so classed as in education) or making them work voluntary does not reduce unemployment it's called fudging figures![/p][/quote]Keeps 'em off the streets though.[/p][/quote]Not only that, but it makes "being on the dole" that little bit less attractive as a career choice.[/p][/quote]Not everyone wants to be "on the dole" but some have no choice, and unfortunately for people in this country there will always be an element of unemployment. Are you honestly trying to tell me that there is a job for every single person in this country? I do so hope you lose your job in the not so distant future and we will then see if your attitude and opinions change. maybe then when you go to the job centre and they stop your money for 13 weeks lets see how long you can survive! Looked at the crime rate lately? People walking out of shops with trolleys of food etc. Get a grip blue boy. GRUMPY PARENT
  • Score: 4

3:11pm Wed 19 Mar 14

PaulErith says...

Nick Tessla wrote:
PaulErith wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
I like the new £1 coin.
Me too although bet Vending Machine operators and Shopping trolley manufacturers are cursing this morning
Surely by 2017 we should have evolved into a cashless society. A physical note or coin is outdated. With the 'contactless payment' becoming more and more common, I hardly ever have to use coins. It's so much easier to pay by card. We should be thinking about a plan to get rid of physical currrency.
Along with hoverboards , everyone dressed in silver jumpsuits, moon colonies and all meals in tablet form.
Ha Ha, I don't think hoverboards will be until at least 2018! ;)

Seriously though, just look how over a short period of time how we have so many non cash payment methods. As I say, most shops and some pubs I pay by tapping my debit card on the reader. Oyster is another example. Then just standard chip and pin. Cash per se weighs your pocket down and is just a pain. If you wish it to be then even now, a cashless existence is almost possible. It's only a matter of time.
[quote][p][bold]Nick Tessla[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: I like the new £1 coin.[/p][/quote]Me too although bet Vending Machine operators and Shopping trolley manufacturers are cursing this morning[/p][/quote]Surely by 2017 we should have evolved into a cashless society. A physical note or coin is outdated. With the 'contactless payment' becoming more and more common, I hardly ever have to use coins. It's so much easier to pay by card. We should be thinking about a plan to get rid of physical currrency.[/p][/quote]Along with hoverboards , everyone dressed in silver jumpsuits, moon colonies and all meals in tablet form.[/p][/quote]Ha Ha, I don't think hoverboards will be until at least 2018! ;) Seriously though, just look how over a short period of time how we have so many non cash payment methods. As I say, most shops and some pubs I pay by tapping my debit card on the reader. Oyster is another example. Then just standard chip and pin. Cash per se weighs your pocket down and is just a pain. If you wish it to be then even now, a cashless existence is almost possible. It's only a matter of time. PaulErith
  • Score: -6

3:14pm Wed 19 Mar 14

ThisYear says...

GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
Sanctioning people for 13 weeks, putting people on silly courses (so classed as in education) or making them work voluntary does not reduce unemployment it's called fudging figures!
Or fraud
[quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: Sanctioning people for 13 weeks, putting people on silly courses (so classed as in education) or making them work voluntary does not reduce unemployment it's called fudging figures![/p][/quote]Or fraud ThisYear
  • Score: 10

3:22pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Hyper-Deactive says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
Sanctioning people for 13 weeks, putting people on silly courses (so classed as in education) or making them work voluntary does not reduce unemployment it's called fudging figures!
Keeps 'em off the streets though.
why would you assume that all unemployed people walk the streets every day ?
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: Sanctioning people for 13 weeks, putting people on silly courses (so classed as in education) or making them work voluntary does not reduce unemployment it's called fudging figures![/p][/quote]Keeps 'em off the streets though.[/p][/quote]why would you assume that all unemployed people walk the streets every day ? Hyper-Deactive
  • Score: 8

3:22pm Wed 19 Mar 14

fredaj says...

good-gosh wrote:
Re ISAs - it's not much good putting £15K a year in ISAs when the interest is so poor. May as well leave it in a regular saving account and pay the tax, but then be free to move it when the expected rates start increasing.
You are just as free to move isa money (to another isa or to non-isa saving) as you are non-isa savings.
[quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: Re ISAs - it's not much good putting £15K a year in ISAs when the interest is so poor. May as well leave it in a regular saving account and pay the tax, but then be free to move it when the expected rates start increasing.[/p][/quote]You are just as free to move isa money (to another isa or to non-isa saving) as you are non-isa savings. fredaj
  • Score: 7

3:23pm Wed 19 Mar 14

GRUMPY PARENT says...

ThisYear wrote:
GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
Sanctioning people for 13 weeks, putting people on silly courses (so classed as in education) or making them work voluntary does not reduce unemployment it's called fudging figures!
Or fraud
True, but prove that in a Court of Law, these guys went to Eton and have lots of silly looking pound coins in their pockets so pretty immune to that charge!
Glad you said it though I'm not that brave.
Still Grumpy
[quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: Sanctioning people for 13 weeks, putting people on silly courses (so classed as in education) or making them work voluntary does not reduce unemployment it's called fudging figures![/p][/quote]Or fraud[/p][/quote]True, but prove that in a Court of Law, these guys went to Eton and have lots of silly looking pound coins in their pockets so pretty immune to that charge! Glad you said it though I'm not that brave. Still Grumpy GRUMPY PARENT
  • Score: 4

3:24pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Andy2010 says...

pauls55 wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
George Osborne is a genius, this is how a country should be run. I hope we never go back to boom and bust again.
Despite all the rhetoric the fact Osborne doesnt admit to is that he has borrowed more in four years than Labour did in thirteen, mainly to help all his Eton pals while food banks boom. In a few years time we'll all be talking about the mess the ConDems left us in.
I would suggest you watch the Panorama special on Food banks from a couple of weeks ago.

The demand for them isn't being being hungry. Its down to Government and local subsidies that can be gathered. not to mention the majority of the "customers" are immigrants (see Nu Labour) and the remaining are generally handouts not needed

If you give something away for free people will naturally take advantage
[quote][p][bold]pauls55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: George Osborne is a genius, this is how a country should be run. I hope we never go back to boom and bust again.[/p][/quote]Despite all the rhetoric the fact Osborne doesnt admit to is that he has borrowed more in four years than Labour did in thirteen, mainly to help all his Eton pals while food banks boom. In a few years time we'll all be talking about the mess the ConDems left us in.[/p][/quote]I would suggest you watch the Panorama special on Food banks from a couple of weeks ago. The demand for them isn't being being hungry. Its down to Government and local subsidies that can be gathered. not to mention the majority of the "customers" are immigrants (see Nu Labour) and the remaining are generally handouts not needed If you give something away for free people will naturally take advantage Andy2010
  • Score: 5

3:26pm Wed 19 Mar 14

ThisYear says...

BoscVegas wrote:
FoodCraft wrote:
Maybe he’d like to remove the unfair 20% VAT on hot food that most chippys have to pay …..
any VAT reduction would be passed on to the customer so how is it any different? unless you are not planning to pass the saving on to your local customers and take an extra 20% for yourself.
VAT.. isn't that what the government puts on businesses who then pass it onto the customer?
[quote][p][bold]BoscVegas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FoodCraft[/bold] wrote: Maybe he’d like to remove the unfair 20% VAT on hot food that most chippys have to pay …..[/p][/quote]any VAT reduction would be passed on to the customer so how is it any different? unless you are not planning to pass the saving on to your local customers and take an extra 20% for yourself.[/p][/quote]VAT.. isn't that what the government puts on businesses who then pass it onto the customer? ThisYear
  • Score: 7

3:29pm Wed 19 Mar 14

ThisYear says...

Nick Tessla wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
masterstroke, reference to king John and his unruly barons...

Great idea supporting the 800th anniversary of the signing of the Magna Carta, something Liebour has sh@t all over - and the money to repair cathedrals that will be taking part in the WWI commemoration.

Can you see Liebour celebrating our own culture this way... nope, they'd send the money to some far flung foreign regime or some daft made up local "minority" group.

Not a fan of George Osborne or the Tories but I do like my money being spent on MY country. For a change.
An awful lot of people from "minority" groups (your quote marks not mine) were brought In from far flung countries to fight for your country in WWI.
Touché !

Kim will probably reply.."No Im not"
[quote][p][bold]Nick Tessla[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: masterstroke, reference to king John and his unruly barons... Great idea supporting the 800th anniversary of the signing of the Magna Carta, something Liebour has sh@t all over - and the money to repair cathedrals that will be taking part in the WWI commemoration. Can you see Liebour celebrating our own culture this way... nope, they'd send the money to some far flung foreign regime or some daft made up local "minority" group. Not a fan of George Osborne or the Tories but I do like my money being spent on MY country. For a change.[/p][/quote]An awful lot of people from "minority" groups (your quote marks not mine) were brought In from far flung countries to fight for your country in WWI.[/p][/quote]Touché ! Kim will probably reply.."No Im not" ThisYear
  • Score: 1

3:33pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Sigurd Hoberth says...

Inheritance tax waived for emergency services personnel who "give their lives protecting us"

WHAT?

Unjustifiable.
Inheritance tax waived for emergency services personnel who "give their lives protecting us" WHAT? Unjustifiable. Sigurd Hoberth
  • Score: -6

3:33pm Wed 19 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Hyper-Deactive wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
Sanctioning people for 13 weeks, putting people on silly courses (so classed as in education) or making them work voluntary does not reduce unemployment it's called fudging figures!
Keeps 'em off the streets though.
why would you assume that all unemployed people walk the streets every day ?
Why do you assume that I assume that, actually I don't, well not all of them are, some would be out looking for work perhaps, others are too lazy to do so. I know nothing of the courses mentioned, is there no educational value in them, care to enlighten me on how they work and how they affect the unemployment figures and how they are funded.
[quote][p][bold]Hyper-Deactive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: Sanctioning people for 13 weeks, putting people on silly courses (so classed as in education) or making them work voluntary does not reduce unemployment it's called fudging figures![/p][/quote]Keeps 'em off the streets though.[/p][/quote]why would you assume that all unemployed people walk the streets every day ?[/p][/quote]Why do you assume that I assume that, actually I don't, well not all of them are, some would be out looking for work perhaps, others are too lazy to do so. I know nothing of the courses mentioned, is there no educational value in them, care to enlighten me on how they work and how they affect the unemployment figures and how they are funded. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -2

3:34pm Wed 19 Mar 14

GRUMPY PARENT says...

fredaj wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
Re ISAs - it's not much good putting £15K a year in ISAs when the interest is so poor. May as well leave it in a regular saving account and pay the tax, but then be free to move it when the expected rates start increasing.
You are just as free to move isa money (to another isa or to non-isa saving) as you are non-isa savings.
Lets face it the actual ISA subject was irrelevant in this budget, this was purely to get the pensioners to back the Conservatives in the forthcoming elections as was the whole pension speech!
[quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: Re ISAs - it's not much good putting £15K a year in ISAs when the interest is so poor. May as well leave it in a regular saving account and pay the tax, but then be free to move it when the expected rates start increasing.[/p][/quote]You are just as free to move isa money (to another isa or to non-isa saving) as you are non-isa savings.[/p][/quote]Lets face it the actual ISA subject was irrelevant in this budget, this was purely to get the pensioners to back the Conservatives in the forthcoming elections as was the whole pension speech! GRUMPY PARENT
  • Score: 4

3:38pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Hyper-Deactive says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Hyper-Deactive wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
Sanctioning people for 13 weeks, putting people on silly courses (so classed as in education) or making them work voluntary does not reduce unemployment it's called fudging figures!
Keeps 'em off the streets though.
why would you assume that all unemployed people walk the streets every day ?
Why do you assume that I assume that, actually I don't, well not all of them are, some would be out looking for work perhaps, others are too lazy to do so. I know nothing of the courses mentioned, is there no educational value in them, care to enlighten me on how they work and how they affect the unemployment figures and how they are funded.
I don't work for DWP so have no idea how they are funded but the comment "Keeps them off the streets" just tells me that you look down on anybody who is unemployed and DO ASSUME that they are all scum.

Please remember that a man that may be unemployed today could have been a CEO yesterday.

You might see people outside job centres smoking and drinking and being chavvy but not everybody who is unemployed is like that.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hyper-Deactive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: Sanctioning people for 13 weeks, putting people on silly courses (so classed as in education) or making them work voluntary does not reduce unemployment it's called fudging figures![/p][/quote]Keeps 'em off the streets though.[/p][/quote]why would you assume that all unemployed people walk the streets every day ?[/p][/quote]Why do you assume that I assume that, actually I don't, well not all of them are, some would be out looking for work perhaps, others are too lazy to do so. I know nothing of the courses mentioned, is there no educational value in them, care to enlighten me on how they work and how they affect the unemployment figures and how they are funded.[/p][/quote]I don't work for DWP so have no idea how they are funded but the comment "Keeps them off the streets" just tells me that you look down on anybody who is unemployed and DO ASSUME that they are all scum. Please remember that a man that may be unemployed today could have been a CEO yesterday. You might see people outside job centres smoking and drinking and being chavvy but not everybody who is unemployed is like that. Hyper-Deactive
  • Score: 13

3:39pm Wed 19 Mar 14

ThisYear says...

smhinto wrote:
What about imposing car parking fees for the 'Diddley's' as up to this date they can park in any Council car park for free and be immune from prosecution.
.
Unlike the normal populous who are always expected to pay their way.
.
Just a thought.
Oh dear..."we going to be hit by a comet...lets blame the usual scapegoats"

@smhinto

Iv seen so stupid comments on this thread over 3 years!

Yours is definitely in the top 5

You are a 1st class idiot..sorry.
[quote][p][bold]smhinto[/bold] wrote: What about imposing car parking fees for the 'Diddley's' as up to this date they can park in any Council car park for free and be immune from prosecution. . Unlike the normal populous who are always expected to pay their way. . Just a thought.[/p][/quote]Oh dear..."we going to be hit by a comet...lets blame the usual scapegoats" @smhinto Iv seen so stupid comments on this thread over 3 years! Yours is definitely in the top 5 You are a 1st class idiot..sorry. ThisYear
  • Score: 2

3:40pm Wed 19 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Andy2010 wrote:
pauls55 wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
George Osborne is a genius, this is how a country should be run. I hope we never go back to boom and bust again.
Despite all the rhetoric the fact Osborne doesnt admit to is that he has borrowed more in four years than Labour did in thirteen, mainly to help all his Eton pals while food banks boom. In a few years time we'll all be talking about the mess the ConDems left us in.
I would suggest you watch the Panorama special on Food banks from a couple of weeks ago.

The demand for them isn't being being hungry. Its down to Government and local subsidies that can be gathered. not to mention the majority of the "customers" are immigrants (see Nu Labour) and the remaining are generally handouts not needed

If you give something away for free people will naturally take advantage
So you are saying you wouldn't accept anything offered to you? Never look a gift horse in the mouth I say. There have been immigrants since time immemorial, not all have been to our benefit, but a lot have become part of the whole.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pauls55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: George Osborne is a genius, this is how a country should be run. I hope we never go back to boom and bust again.[/p][/quote]Despite all the rhetoric the fact Osborne doesnt admit to is that he has borrowed more in four years than Labour did in thirteen, mainly to help all his Eton pals while food banks boom. In a few years time we'll all be talking about the mess the ConDems left us in.[/p][/quote]I would suggest you watch the Panorama special on Food banks from a couple of weeks ago. The demand for them isn't being being hungry. Its down to Government and local subsidies that can be gathered. not to mention the majority of the "customers" are immigrants (see Nu Labour) and the remaining are generally handouts not needed If you give something away for free people will naturally take advantage[/p][/quote]So you are saying you wouldn't accept anything offered to you? Never look a gift horse in the mouth I say. There have been immigrants since time immemorial, not all have been to our benefit, but a lot have become part of the whole. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

3:41pm Wed 19 Mar 14

ThisYear says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
smhinto wrote:
What about imposing car parking fees for the 'Diddley's' as up to this date they can park in any Council car park for free and be immune from prosecution.
.
Unlike the normal populous who are always expected to pay their way.
.
Just a thought.
How about a "Window Tax" on their caravans, Romany exempt.
How about you stop trying too hard to be such a witty chappie?
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smhinto[/bold] wrote: What about imposing car parking fees for the 'Diddley's' as up to this date they can park in any Council car park for free and be immune from prosecution. . Unlike the normal populous who are always expected to pay their way. . Just a thought.[/p][/quote]How about a "Window Tax" on their caravans, Romany exempt.[/p][/quote]How about you stop trying too hard to be such a witty chappie? ThisYear
  • Score: 1

3:43pm Wed 19 Mar 14

ThisYear says...

PaulErith wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
I like the new £1 coin.
Me too although bet Vending Machine operators and Shopping trolley manufacturers are cursing this morning
Surely by 2017 we should have evolved into a cashless society. A physical note or coin is outdated. With the 'contactless payment' becoming more and more common, I hardly ever have to use coins. It's so much easier to pay by card. We should be thinking about a plan to get rid of physical currrency.
A cashless society would put us at the mercy of whoever controlled the computers..think about it.
[quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: I like the new £1 coin.[/p][/quote]Me too although bet Vending Machine operators and Shopping trolley manufacturers are cursing this morning[/p][/quote]Surely by 2017 we should have evolved into a cashless society. A physical note or coin is outdated. With the 'contactless payment' becoming more and more common, I hardly ever have to use coins. It's so much easier to pay by card. We should be thinking about a plan to get rid of physical currrency.[/p][/quote]A cashless society would put us at the mercy of whoever controlled the computers..think about it. ThisYear
  • Score: 1

3:46pm Wed 19 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

GoingGreen wrote:
Deal with climate change or it will deal with you.
A bit selfish, I know, but I won't be on the planet long enough to worry about it. I do my bit but I fail to see how my minimal input will make any difference in the long run. I tend to discount the Climate Change myth, I do believe in the variations that Mother Nature throws at us. Oddly enough I see it as Gods will, not my fault.
[quote][p][bold]GoingGreen[/bold] wrote: Deal with climate change or it will deal with you.[/p][/quote]A bit selfish, I know, but I won't be on the planet long enough to worry about it. I do my bit but I fail to see how my minimal input will make any difference in the long run. I tend to discount the Climate Change myth, I do believe in the variations that Mother Nature throws at us. Oddly enough I see it as Gods will, not my fault. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 5

3:49pm Wed 19 Mar 14

ThisYear says...

GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
fredaj wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
Re ISAs - it's not much good putting £15K a year in ISAs when the interest is so poor. May as well leave it in a regular saving account and pay the tax, but then be free to move it when the expected rates start increasing.
You are just as free to move isa money (to another isa or to non-isa saving) as you are non-isa savings.
Lets face it the actual ISA subject was irrelevant in this budget, this was purely to get the pensioners to back the Conservatives in the forthcoming elections as was the whole pension speech!
They are frightened of the silver vote...come on old ones punch above your weight and give the heartless tory millionaire Ya-ya's a black eye come the general election...you know they are worth it!
[quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: Re ISAs - it's not much good putting £15K a year in ISAs when the interest is so poor. May as well leave it in a regular saving account and pay the tax, but then be free to move it when the expected rates start increasing.[/p][/quote]You are just as free to move isa money (to another isa or to non-isa saving) as you are non-isa savings.[/p][/quote]Lets face it the actual ISA subject was irrelevant in this budget, this was purely to get the pensioners to back the Conservatives in the forthcoming elections as was the whole pension speech![/p][/quote]They are frightened of the silver vote...come on old ones punch above your weight and give the heartless tory millionaire Ya-ya's a black eye come the general election...you know they are worth it! ThisYear
  • Score: 6

3:49pm Wed 19 Mar 14

GRUMPY PARENT says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Hyper-Deactive wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
Sanctioning people for 13 weeks, putting people on silly courses (so classed as in education) or making them work voluntary does not reduce unemployment it's called fudging figures!
Keeps 'em off the streets though.
why would you assume that all unemployed people walk the streets every day ?
Why do you assume that I assume that, actually I don't, well not all of them are, some would be out looking for work perhaps, others are too lazy to do so. I know nothing of the courses mentioned, is there no educational value in them, care to enlighten me on how they work and how they affect the unemployment figures and how they are funded.
I personally know a 57 year old woman who is currently on a maths course yes maths at 57. If you can not do maths at 57 then there is just no hope. She was told that she had to attend this course or her benefits would stop. She gets a bus pass (paid for by the jobcentre) which she actually uses for doing her shopping and other things that she needs to do. As a course incentive she will actually receive a £40 food voucher when she completes this course. To sum up free bus pass, food voucher, cost of the course (£200 £300 at a guess check college rates) and still gets her benefits all paid for by the tax payer. While she is on this course she is classed as in education NOT UNEMPLOYED, when she completes that course English will be next. That is how they say unemployment is down. Sorry no it isn't Mr Cameron you are fudging the figures at the tax payers expense.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hyper-Deactive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: Sanctioning people for 13 weeks, putting people on silly courses (so classed as in education) or making them work voluntary does not reduce unemployment it's called fudging figures![/p][/quote]Keeps 'em off the streets though.[/p][/quote]why would you assume that all unemployed people walk the streets every day ?[/p][/quote]Why do you assume that I assume that, actually I don't, well not all of them are, some would be out looking for work perhaps, others are too lazy to do so. I know nothing of the courses mentioned, is there no educational value in them, care to enlighten me on how they work and how they affect the unemployment figures and how they are funded.[/p][/quote]I personally know a 57 year old woman who is currently on a maths course yes maths at 57. If you can not do maths at 57 then there is just no hope. She was told that she had to attend this course or her benefits would stop. She gets a bus pass (paid for by the jobcentre) which she actually uses for doing her shopping and other things that she needs to do. As a course incentive she will actually receive a £40 food voucher when she completes this course. To sum up free bus pass, food voucher, cost of the course (£200 £300 at a guess check college rates) and still gets her benefits all paid for by the tax payer. While she is on this course she is classed as in education NOT UNEMPLOYED, when she completes that course English will be next. That is how they say unemployment is down. Sorry no it isn't Mr Cameron you are fudging the figures at the tax payers expense. GRUMPY PARENT
  • Score: 5

3:54pm Wed 19 Mar 14

PaulErith says...

ThisYear wrote:
PaulErith wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
I like the new £1 coin.
Me too although bet Vending Machine operators and Shopping trolley manufacturers are cursing this morning
Surely by 2017 we should have evolved into a cashless society. A physical note or coin is outdated. With the 'contactless payment' becoming more and more common, I hardly ever have to use coins. It's so much easier to pay by card. We should be thinking about a plan to get rid of physical currrency.
A cashless society would put us at the mercy of whoever controlled the computers..think about it.
That sounds like the sort of conspiracy fearing comment that WR9 would come out with. Your finances are already computerised so it's no different. The bit of paper that has a 20 on it isn't actually worth anything per se. It just represents currency. And, you can only one of them out of the bank if the computer says you have that much so you're already 'at their mercy' as you put it. Having a card you tap or a piece of metal or paper with a number on it is no different really.
[quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: I like the new £1 coin.[/p][/quote]Me too although bet Vending Machine operators and Shopping trolley manufacturers are cursing this morning[/p][/quote]Surely by 2017 we should have evolved into a cashless society. A physical note or coin is outdated. With the 'contactless payment' becoming more and more common, I hardly ever have to use coins. It's so much easier to pay by card. We should be thinking about a plan to get rid of physical currrency.[/p][/quote]A cashless society would put us at the mercy of whoever controlled the computers..think about it.[/p][/quote]That sounds like the sort of conspiracy fearing comment that WR9 would come out with. Your finances are already computerised so it's no different. The bit of paper that has a 20 on it isn't actually worth anything per se. It just represents currency. And, you can only one of them out of the bank if the computer says you have that much so you're already 'at their mercy' as you put it. Having a card you tap or a piece of metal or paper with a number on it is no different really. PaulErith
  • Score: -1

3:57pm Wed 19 Mar 14

shytalk says...

Vote UKIP
Vote UKIP shytalk
  • Score: -1

3:58pm Wed 19 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Hyper-Deactive wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Hyper-Deactive wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
Sanctioning people for 13 weeks, putting people on silly courses (so classed as in education) or making them work voluntary does not reduce unemployment it's called fudging figures!
Keeps 'em off the streets though.
why would you assume that all unemployed people walk the streets every day ?
Why do you assume that I assume that, actually I don't, well not all of them are, some would be out looking for work perhaps, others are too lazy to do so. I know nothing of the courses mentioned, is there no educational value in them, care to enlighten me on how they work and how they affect the unemployment figures and how they are funded.
I don't work for DWP so have no idea how they are funded but the comment "Keeps them off the streets" just tells me that you look down on anybody who is unemployed and DO ASSUME that they are all scum.

Please remember that a man that may be unemployed today could have been a CEO yesterday.

You might see people outside job centres smoking and drinking and being chavvy but not everybody who is unemployed is like that.
Rubbish, it was just an off the cuff, flippant remark, which anyone with a minimal sense of humour would have recognised. I spent 48 and three quarter years in full and meaningful employment, was made redundant once for a very short period, retired on a Pension, that will just about see me through the remains on my life, it was paid for in full, and less than it should be, because of poor Interest Rates. I regard myself as one of the lucky ones. I have a lot of sympathy for those that struggle through unemployment which was no fault of there own. I do not label anyone that is unemployed, but can you agree with me, that some are unemployed because they can be and want to be, because they can survive on hand outs. The simple truth is that many are unemployed because there are no suitable jobs, not because they are unemployable. I am not to blame for their predicament.
[quote][p][bold]Hyper-Deactive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hyper-Deactive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: Sanctioning people for 13 weeks, putting people on silly courses (so classed as in education) or making them work voluntary does not reduce unemployment it's called fudging figures![/p][/quote]Keeps 'em off the streets though.[/p][/quote]why would you assume that all unemployed people walk the streets every day ?[/p][/quote]Why do you assume that I assume that, actually I don't, well not all of them are, some would be out looking for work perhaps, others are too lazy to do so. I know nothing of the courses mentioned, is there no educational value in them, care to enlighten me on how they work and how they affect the unemployment figures and how they are funded.[/p][/quote]I don't work for DWP so have no idea how they are funded but the comment "Keeps them off the streets" just tells me that you look down on anybody who is unemployed and DO ASSUME that they are all scum. Please remember that a man that may be unemployed today could have been a CEO yesterday. You might see people outside job centres smoking and drinking and being chavvy but not everybody who is unemployed is like that.[/p][/quote]Rubbish, it was just an off the cuff, flippant remark, which anyone with a minimal sense of humour would have recognised. I spent 48 and three quarter years in full and meaningful employment, was made redundant once for a very short period, retired on a Pension, that will just about see me through the remains on my life, it was paid for in full, and less than it should be, because of poor Interest Rates. I regard myself as one of the lucky ones. I have a lot of sympathy for those that struggle through unemployment which was no fault of there own. I do not label anyone that is unemployed, but can you agree with me, that some are unemployed because they can be and want to be, because they can survive on hand outs. The simple truth is that many are unemployed because there are no suitable jobs, not because they are unemployable. I am not to blame for their predicament. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 3

3:59pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Andy2010 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
pauls55 wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
George Osborne is a genius, this is how a country should be run. I hope we never go back to boom and bust again.
Despite all the rhetoric the fact Osborne doesnt admit to is that he has borrowed more in four years than Labour did in thirteen, mainly to help all his Eton pals while food banks boom. In a few years time we'll all be talking about the mess the ConDems left us in.
I would suggest you watch the Panorama special on Food banks from a couple of weeks ago.

The demand for them isn't being being hungry. Its down to Government and local subsidies that can be gathered. not to mention the majority of the "customers" are immigrants (see Nu Labour) and the remaining are generally handouts not needed

If you give something away for free people will naturally take advantage
So you are saying you wouldn't accept anything offered to you? Never look a gift horse in the mouth I say. There have been immigrants since time immemorial, not all have been to our benefit, but a lot have become part of the whole.
Well I personally circumstances remaining the same wouldn't visit a foodbank but there are plenty that do and don't really need to

Its about priorities. Having internet, tv, smart phone, fags and beer are not priorities and all these things should only be bought after food , heat and shelter are paid for. Sadly we live in a world where food has taken a backseat and all foodbanks are doing is encouraging this.

Remember the saying "Put food on the table"?

I don't dispute we have always had immigrants but before Labour opened the floodgates immigration was on job demand not how much could be claimed for free. I don't blame the immigrants cause after all if you say lived in Romania in a hovel and had a chance to move to England, have a free house, benefits, schooling, healthcare and food...well why not , i certainly would
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pauls55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: George Osborne is a genius, this is how a country should be run. I hope we never go back to boom and bust again.[/p][/quote]Despite all the rhetoric the fact Osborne doesnt admit to is that he has borrowed more in four years than Labour did in thirteen, mainly to help all his Eton pals while food banks boom. In a few years time we'll all be talking about the mess the ConDems left us in.[/p][/quote]I would suggest you watch the Panorama special on Food banks from a couple of weeks ago. The demand for them isn't being being hungry. Its down to Government and local subsidies that can be gathered. not to mention the majority of the "customers" are immigrants (see Nu Labour) and the remaining are generally handouts not needed If you give something away for free people will naturally take advantage[/p][/quote]So you are saying you wouldn't accept anything offered to you? Never look a gift horse in the mouth I say. There have been immigrants since time immemorial, not all have been to our benefit, but a lot have become part of the whole.[/p][/quote]Well I personally circumstances remaining the same wouldn't visit a foodbank but there are plenty that do and don't really need to Its about priorities. Having internet, tv, smart phone, fags and beer are not priorities and all these things should only be bought after food , heat and shelter are paid for. Sadly we live in a world where food has taken a backseat and all foodbanks are doing is encouraging this. Remember the saying "Put food on the table"? I don't dispute we have always had immigrants but before Labour opened the floodgates immigration was on job demand not how much could be claimed for free. I don't blame the immigrants cause after all if you say lived in Romania in a hovel and had a chance to move to England, have a free house, benefits, schooling, healthcare and food...well why not , i certainly would Andy2010
  • Score: 7

3:59pm Wed 19 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

shytalk wrote:
Vote UKIP
Why?
[quote][p][bold]shytalk[/bold] wrote: Vote UKIP[/p][/quote]Why? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -5

4:00pm Wed 19 Mar 14

BmthNewshound says...

Another good budget for middle class pensioners - the Tories need their votes. The increase in ISA allowance and changes to private pensions will be of little benefit to most younger people who cannot afford to save and struggle to makes ends meet.
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Good to see more help for businesses which should help create jobs and exports.
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The Chancellors statement is only an overview to grab headlines. The devil is in the detail which is contained in the Treasury Budget documents.
Another good budget for middle class pensioners - the Tories need their votes. The increase in ISA allowance and changes to private pensions will be of little benefit to most younger people who cannot afford to save and struggle to makes ends meet. . Good to see more help for businesses which should help create jobs and exports. . The Chancellors statement is only an overview to grab headlines. The devil is in the detail which is contained in the Treasury Budget documents. BmthNewshound
  • Score: 0

4:04pm Wed 19 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Andy2010 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
pauls55 wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
George Osborne is a genius, this is how a country should be run. I hope we never go back to boom and bust again.
Despite all the rhetoric the fact Osborne doesnt admit to is that he has borrowed more in four years than Labour did in thirteen, mainly to help all his Eton pals while food banks boom. In a few years time we'll all be talking about the mess the ConDems left us in.
I would suggest you watch the Panorama special on Food banks from a couple of weeks ago.

The demand for them isn't being being hungry. Its down to Government and local subsidies that can be gathered. not to mention the majority of the "customers" are immigrants (see Nu Labour) and the remaining are generally handouts not needed

If you give something away for free people will naturally take advantage
So you are saying you wouldn't accept anything offered to you? Never look a gift horse in the mouth I say. There have been immigrants since time immemorial, not all have been to our benefit, but a lot have become part of the whole.
Well I personally circumstances remaining the same wouldn't visit a foodbank but there are plenty that do and don't really need to

Its about priorities. Having internet, tv, smart phone, fags and beer are not priorities and all these things should only be bought after food , heat and shelter are paid for. Sadly we live in a world where food has taken a backseat and all foodbanks are doing is encouraging this.

Remember the saying "Put food on the table"?

I don't dispute we have always had immigrants but before Labour opened the floodgates immigration was on job demand not how much could be claimed for free. I don't blame the immigrants cause after all if you say lived in Romania in a hovel and had a chance to move to England, have a free house, benefits, schooling, healthcare and food...well why not , i certainly would
"before Labour opened the floodgates?" Nothing to do with EU dictates then.
What happened to the masses of Romanians and Bulgarians that were supposed to have swarmed in? I can't see any around here? If England is no longer to your liking you could always join many of expats in Spain e.t.c. I wonder who they are sponging off?
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pauls55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: George Osborne is a genius, this is how a country should be run. I hope we never go back to boom and bust again.[/p][/quote]Despite all the rhetoric the fact Osborne doesnt admit to is that he has borrowed more in four years than Labour did in thirteen, mainly to help all his Eton pals while food banks boom. In a few years time we'll all be talking about the mess the ConDems left us in.[/p][/quote]I would suggest you watch the Panorama special on Food banks from a couple of weeks ago. The demand for them isn't being being hungry. Its down to Government and local subsidies that can be gathered. not to mention the majority of the "customers" are immigrants (see Nu Labour) and the remaining are generally handouts not needed If you give something away for free people will naturally take advantage[/p][/quote]So you are saying you wouldn't accept anything offered to you? Never look a gift horse in the mouth I say. There have been immigrants since time immemorial, not all have been to our benefit, but a lot have become part of the whole.[/p][/quote]Well I personally circumstances remaining the same wouldn't visit a foodbank but there are plenty that do and don't really need to Its about priorities. Having internet, tv, smart phone, fags and beer are not priorities and all these things should only be bought after food , heat and shelter are paid for. Sadly we live in a world where food has taken a backseat and all foodbanks are doing is encouraging this. Remember the saying "Put food on the table"? I don't dispute we have always had immigrants but before Labour opened the floodgates immigration was on job demand not how much could be claimed for free. I don't blame the immigrants cause after all if you say lived in Romania in a hovel and had a chance to move to England, have a free house, benefits, schooling, healthcare and food...well why not , i certainly would[/p][/quote]"before Labour opened the floodgates?" Nothing to do with EU dictates then. What happened to the masses of Romanians and Bulgarians that were supposed to have swarmed in? I can't see any around here? If England is no longer to your liking you could always join many of expats in Spain e.t.c. I wonder who they are sponging off? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -6

4:04pm Wed 19 Mar 14

shytalk says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
bigbob123 wrote:
This would not happen under a Dave Whelan government
Will he become a Wigan peer?
Are you sure you are not talking about Nigel Evans?
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigbob123[/bold] wrote: This would not happen under a Dave Whelan government[/p][/quote]Will he become a Wigan peer?[/p][/quote]Are you sure you are not talking about Nigel Evans? shytalk
  • Score: 2

4:07pm Wed 19 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

ThisYear wrote:
GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
fredaj wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
Re ISAs - it's not much good putting £15K a year in ISAs when the interest is so poor. May as well leave it in a regular saving account and pay the tax, but then be free to move it when the expected rates start increasing.
You are just as free to move isa money (to another isa or to non-isa saving) as you are non-isa savings.
Lets face it the actual ISA subject was irrelevant in this budget, this was purely to get the pensioners to back the Conservatives in the forthcoming elections as was the whole pension speech!
They are frightened of the silver vote...come on old ones punch above your weight and give the heartless tory millionaire Ya-ya's a black eye come the general election...you know they are worth it!
Would love to but who do you suggest will look after my interests best?
[quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: Re ISAs - it's not much good putting £15K a year in ISAs when the interest is so poor. May as well leave it in a regular saving account and pay the tax, but then be free to move it when the expected rates start increasing.[/p][/quote]You are just as free to move isa money (to another isa or to non-isa saving) as you are non-isa savings.[/p][/quote]Lets face it the actual ISA subject was irrelevant in this budget, this was purely to get the pensioners to back the Conservatives in the forthcoming elections as was the whole pension speech![/p][/quote]They are frightened of the silver vote...come on old ones punch above your weight and give the heartless tory millionaire Ya-ya's a black eye come the general election...you know they are worth it![/p][/quote]Would love to but who do you suggest will look after my interests best? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -2

4:09pm Wed 19 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

shytalk wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
bigbob123 wrote:
This would not happen under a Dave Whelan government
Will he become a Wigan peer?
Are you sure you are not talking about Nigel Evans?
Why would I be talking about the MP for Ribble Valley with a dodgy reputation?
[quote][p][bold]shytalk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigbob123[/bold] wrote: This would not happen under a Dave Whelan government[/p][/quote]Will he become a Wigan peer?[/p][/quote]Are you sure you are not talking about Nigel Evans?[/p][/quote]Why would I be talking about the MP for Ribble Valley with a dodgy reputation? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -3

4:11pm Wed 19 Mar 14

shy talk says...

shytalk wrote:
Vote UKIP
Somebody out there has highjacked SHYTALK. I did not post this comment and it has been reported.
[quote][p][bold]shytalk[/bold] wrote: Vote UKIP[/p][/quote]Somebody out there has highjacked SHYTALK. I did not post this comment and it has been reported. shy talk
  • Score: 3

4:12pm Wed 19 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

ThisYear wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
smhinto wrote:
What about imposing car parking fees for the 'Diddley's' as up to this date they can park in any Council car park for free and be immune from prosecution.
.
Unlike the normal populous who are always expected to pay their way.
.
Just a thought.
How about a "Window Tax" on their caravans, Romany exempt.
How about you stop trying too hard to be such a witty chappie?
It isn't a criminal offence to my knowledge, ever told a joke?
[quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smhinto[/bold] wrote: What about imposing car parking fees for the 'Diddley's' as up to this date they can park in any Council car park for free and be immune from prosecution. . Unlike the normal populous who are always expected to pay their way. . Just a thought.[/p][/quote]How about a "Window Tax" on their caravans, Romany exempt.[/p][/quote]How about you stop trying too hard to be such a witty chappie?[/p][/quote]It isn't a criminal offence to my knowledge, ever told a joke? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

4:14pm Wed 19 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

ThisYear wrote:
PaulErith wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
I like the new £1 coin.
Me too although bet Vending Machine operators and Shopping trolley manufacturers are cursing this morning
Surely by 2017 we should have evolved into a cashless society. A physical note or coin is outdated. With the 'contactless payment' becoming more and more common, I hardly ever have to use coins. It's so much easier to pay by card. We should be thinking about a plan to get rid of physical currrency.
A cashless society would put us at the mercy of whoever controlled the computers..think about it.
Big brother? This thinking lark, painful isn't it?
[quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: I like the new £1 coin.[/p][/quote]Me too although bet Vending Machine operators and Shopping trolley manufacturers are cursing this morning[/p][/quote]Surely by 2017 we should have evolved into a cashless society. A physical note or coin is outdated. With the 'contactless payment' becoming more and more common, I hardly ever have to use coins. It's so much easier to pay by card. We should be thinking about a plan to get rid of physical currrency.[/p][/quote]A cashless society would put us at the mercy of whoever controlled the computers..think about it.[/p][/quote]Big brother? This thinking lark, painful isn't it? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -4

4:16pm Wed 19 Mar 14

carnmountyouknowitmakessense says...

Be grateful Labour aren't running things, because if they were, they'd be ruining things...
Be grateful Labour aren't running things, because if they were, they'd be ruining things... carnmountyouknowitmakessense
  • Score: 2

4:17pm Wed 19 Mar 14

GRUMPY PARENT says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Hyper-Deactive wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Hyper-Deactive wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
Sanctioning people for 13 weeks, putting people on silly courses (so classed as in education) or making them work voluntary does not reduce unemployment it's called fudging figures!
Keeps 'em off the streets though.
why would you assume that all unemployed people walk the streets every day ?
Why do you assume that I assume that, actually I don't, well not all of them are, some would be out looking for work perhaps, others are too lazy to do so. I know nothing of the courses mentioned, is there no educational value in them, care to enlighten me on how they work and how they affect the unemployment figures and how they are funded.
I don't work for DWP so have no idea how they are funded but the comment "Keeps them off the streets" just tells me that you look down on anybody who is unemployed and DO ASSUME that they are all scum.

Please remember that a man that may be unemployed today could have been a CEO yesterday.

You might see people outside job centres smoking and drinking and being chavvy but not everybody who is unemployed is like that.
Rubbish, it was just an off the cuff, flippant remark, which anyone with a minimal sense of humour would have recognised. I spent 48 and three quarter years in full and meaningful employment, was made redundant once for a very short period, retired on a Pension, that will just about see me through the remains on my life, it was paid for in full, and less than it should be, because of poor Interest Rates. I regard myself as one of the lucky ones. I have a lot of sympathy for those that struggle through unemployment which was no fault of there own. I do not label anyone that is unemployed, but can you agree with me, that some are unemployed because they can be and want to be, because they can survive on hand outs. The simple truth is that many are unemployed because there are no suitable jobs, not because they are unemployable. I am not to blame for their predicament.
You really have no clue, "survive on handouts" some are on £117 every two weeks and have to buy food and pay towards bills that's before fags, beer and drugs that you seem to be referring to if your unemployed that's what you do. I am glad you have your pension to survive on and all your "handouts" as well ie Fuel allowance, (probably) blue badge, state pension, council tax benefit's, and all the other benefits Mr Osborne has just given you. Guess where your vote will be going!. I'm just happy that I live in the knowledge that I could buy and sell you in a heartbeat!
Still Grumpy
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hyper-Deactive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hyper-Deactive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: Sanctioning people for 13 weeks, putting people on silly courses (so classed as in education) or making them work voluntary does not reduce unemployment it's called fudging figures![/p][/quote]Keeps 'em off the streets though.[/p][/quote]why would you assume that all unemployed people walk the streets every day ?[/p][/quote]Why do you assume that I assume that, actually I don't, well not all of them are, some would be out looking for work perhaps, others are too lazy to do so. I know nothing of the courses mentioned, is there no educational value in them, care to enlighten me on how they work and how they affect the unemployment figures and how they are funded.[/p][/quote]I don't work for DWP so have no idea how they are funded but the comment "Keeps them off the streets" just tells me that you look down on anybody who is unemployed and DO ASSUME that they are all scum. Please remember that a man that may be unemployed today could have been a CEO yesterday. You might see people outside job centres smoking and drinking and being chavvy but not everybody who is unemployed is like that.[/p][/quote]Rubbish, it was just an off the cuff, flippant remark, which anyone with a minimal sense of humour would have recognised. I spent 48 and three quarter years in full and meaningful employment, was made redundant once for a very short period, retired on a Pension, that will just about see me through the remains on my life, it was paid for in full, and less than it should be, because of poor Interest Rates. I regard myself as one of the lucky ones. I have a lot of sympathy for those that struggle through unemployment which was no fault of there own. I do not label anyone that is unemployed, but can you agree with me, that some are unemployed because they can be and want to be, because they can survive on hand outs. The simple truth is that many are unemployed because there are no suitable jobs, not because they are unemployable. I am not to blame for their predicament.[/p][/quote]You really have no clue, "survive on handouts" some are on £117 every two weeks and have to buy food and pay towards bills that's before fags, beer and drugs that you seem to be referring to if your unemployed that's what you do. I am glad you have your pension to survive on and all your "handouts" as well ie Fuel allowance, (probably) blue badge, state pension, council tax benefit's, and all the other benefits Mr Osborne has just given you. Guess where your vote will be going!. I'm just happy that I live in the knowledge that I could buy and sell you in a heartbeat! Still Grumpy GRUMPY PARENT
  • Score: 2

4:17pm Wed 19 Mar 14

GRUMPY PARENT says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Hyper-Deactive wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Hyper-Deactive wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
Sanctioning people for 13 weeks, putting people on silly courses (so classed as in education) or making them work voluntary does not reduce unemployment it's called fudging figures!
Keeps 'em off the streets though.
why would you assume that all unemployed people walk the streets every day ?
Why do you assume that I assume that, actually I don't, well not all of them are, some would be out looking for work perhaps, others are too lazy to do so. I know nothing of the courses mentioned, is there no educational value in them, care to enlighten me on how they work and how they affect the unemployment figures and how they are funded.
I don't work for DWP so have no idea how they are funded but the comment "Keeps them off the streets" just tells me that you look down on anybody who is unemployed and DO ASSUME that they are all scum.

Please remember that a man that may be unemployed today could have been a CEO yesterday.

You might see people outside job centres smoking and drinking and being chavvy but not everybody who is unemployed is like that.
Rubbish, it was just an off the cuff, flippant remark, which anyone with a minimal sense of humour would have recognised. I spent 48 and three quarter years in full and meaningful employment, was made redundant once for a very short period, retired on a Pension, that will just about see me through the remains on my life, it was paid for in full, and less than it should be, because of poor Interest Rates. I regard myself as one of the lucky ones. I have a lot of sympathy for those that struggle through unemployment which was no fault of there own. I do not label anyone that is unemployed, but can you agree with me, that some are unemployed because they can be and want to be, because they can survive on hand outs. The simple truth is that many are unemployed because there are no suitable jobs, not because they are unemployable. I am not to blame for their predicament.
You really have no clue, "survive on handouts" some are on £117 every two weeks and have to buy food and pay towards bills that's before fags, beer and drugs that you seem to be referring to if your unemployed that's what you do. I am glad you have your pension to survive on and all your "handouts" as well ie Fuel allowance, (probably) blue badge, state pension, council tax benefit's, and all the other benefits Mr Osborne has just given you. Guess where your vote will be going!. I'm just happy that I live in the knowledge that I could buy and sell you in a heartbeat!
Still Grumpy
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hyper-Deactive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hyper-Deactive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: Sanctioning people for 13 weeks, putting people on silly courses (so classed as in education) or making them work voluntary does not reduce unemployment it's called fudging figures![/p][/quote]Keeps 'em off the streets though.[/p][/quote]why would you assume that all unemployed people walk the streets every day ?[/p][/quote]Why do you assume that I assume that, actually I don't, well not all of them are, some would be out looking for work perhaps, others are too lazy to do so. I know nothing of the courses mentioned, is there no educational value in them, care to enlighten me on how they work and how they affect the unemployment figures and how they are funded.[/p][/quote]I don't work for DWP so have no idea how they are funded but the comment "Keeps them off the streets" just tells me that you look down on anybody who is unemployed and DO ASSUME that they are all scum. Please remember that a man that may be unemployed today could have been a CEO yesterday. You might see people outside job centres smoking and drinking and being chavvy but not everybody who is unemployed is like that.[/p][/quote]Rubbish, it was just an off the cuff, flippant remark, which anyone with a minimal sense of humour would have recognised. I spent 48 and three quarter years in full and meaningful employment, was made redundant once for a very short period, retired on a Pension, that will just about see me through the remains on my life, it was paid for in full, and less than it should be, because of poor Interest Rates. I regard myself as one of the lucky ones. I have a lot of sympathy for those that struggle through unemployment which was no fault of there own. I do not label anyone that is unemployed, but can you agree with me, that some are unemployed because they can be and want to be, because they can survive on hand outs. The simple truth is that many are unemployed because there are no suitable jobs, not because they are unemployable. I am not to blame for their predicament.[/p][/quote]You really have no clue, "survive on handouts" some are on £117 every two weeks and have to buy food and pay towards bills that's before fags, beer and drugs that you seem to be referring to if your unemployed that's what you do. I am glad you have your pension to survive on and all your "handouts" as well ie Fuel allowance, (probably) blue badge, state pension, council tax benefit's, and all the other benefits Mr Osborne has just given you. Guess where your vote will be going!. I'm just happy that I live in the knowledge that I could buy and sell you in a heartbeat! Still Grumpy GRUMPY PARENT
  • Score: 17

4:18pm Wed 19 Mar 14

ThisYear says...

PaulErith wrote:
ThisYear wrote:
PaulErith wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
I like the new £1 coin.
Me too although bet Vending Machine operators and Shopping trolley manufacturers are cursing this morning
Surely by 2017 we should have evolved into a cashless society. A physical note or coin is outdated. With the 'contactless payment' becoming more and more common, I hardly ever have to use coins. It's so much easier to pay by card. We should be thinking about a plan to get rid of physical currrency.
A cashless society would put us at the mercy of whoever controlled the computers..think about it.
That sounds like the sort of conspiracy fearing comment that WR9 would come out with. Your finances are already computerised so it's no different. The bit of paper that has a 20 on it isn't actually worth anything per se. It just represents currency. And, you can only one of them out of the bank if the computer says you have that much so you're already 'at their mercy' as you put it. Having a card you tap or a piece of metal or paper with a number on it is no different really.
Is it not a conspiracy to think that with money controlled by computers that those controlling the computers will not control people?

While people have money in their pockets they can pay for items, if the ATM breaks down or the bank has glitches..the case just recently...people will be able to use their hard currency to pay for food etc..
[quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: I like the new £1 coin.[/p][/quote]Me too although bet Vending Machine operators and Shopping trolley manufacturers are cursing this morning[/p][/quote]Surely by 2017 we should have evolved into a cashless society. A physical note or coin is outdated. With the 'contactless payment' becoming more and more common, I hardly ever have to use coins. It's so much easier to pay by card. We should be thinking about a plan to get rid of physical currrency.[/p][/quote]A cashless society would put us at the mercy of whoever controlled the computers..think about it.[/p][/quote]That sounds like the sort of conspiracy fearing comment that WR9 would come out with. Your finances are already computerised so it's no different. The bit of paper that has a 20 on it isn't actually worth anything per se. It just represents currency. And, you can only one of them out of the bank if the computer says you have that much so you're already 'at their mercy' as you put it. Having a card you tap or a piece of metal or paper with a number on it is no different really.[/p][/quote]Is it not a conspiracy to think that with money controlled by computers that those controlling the computers will not control people? While people have money in their pockets they can pay for items, if the ATM breaks down or the bank has glitches..the case just recently...people will be able to use their hard currency to pay for food etc.. ThisYear
  • Score: 3

4:20pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Andy2010 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
pauls55 wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
George Osborne is a genius, this is how a country should be run. I hope we never go back to boom and bust again.
Despite all the rhetoric the fact Osborne doesnt admit to is that he has borrowed more in four years than Labour did in thirteen, mainly to help all his Eton pals while food banks boom. In a few years time we'll all be talking about the mess the ConDems left us in.
I would suggest you watch the Panorama special on Food banks from a couple of weeks ago.

The demand for them isn't being being hungry. Its down to Government and local subsidies that can be gathered. not to mention the majority of the "customers" are immigrants (see Nu Labour) and the remaining are generally handouts not needed

If you give something away for free people will naturally take advantage
So you are saying you wouldn't accept anything offered to you? Never look a gift horse in the mouth I say. There have been immigrants since time immemorial, not all have been to our benefit, but a lot have become part of the whole.
Well I personally circumstances remaining the same wouldn't visit a foodbank but there are plenty that do and don't really need to

Its about priorities. Having internet, tv, smart phone, fags and beer are not priorities and all these things should only be bought after food , heat and shelter are paid for. Sadly we live in a world where food has taken a backseat and all foodbanks are doing is encouraging this.

Remember the saying "Put food on the table"?

I don't dispute we have always had immigrants but before Labour opened the floodgates immigration was on job demand not how much could be claimed for free. I don't blame the immigrants cause after all if you say lived in Romania in a hovel and had a chance to move to England, have a free house, benefits, schooling, healthcare and food...well why not , i certainly would
"before Labour opened the floodgates?" Nothing to do with EU dictates then.
What happened to the masses of Romanians and Bulgarians that were supposed to have swarmed in? I can't see any around here? If England is no longer to your liking you could always join many of expats in Spain e.t.c. I wonder who they are sponging off?
Take a trip down to Forster Square...theres plenty down there most days.

Like I said before you got all confrontational I dont begrudge any immigrant coming to the UK, as after all why not with whats given to them. And this isnt about EU policies either. Just have a look at the policies in operation in France of indeed Spain as you put it. You cant claim anything like what can be claimed in the UK.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pauls55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: George Osborne is a genius, this is how a country should be run. I hope we never go back to boom and bust again.[/p][/quote]Despite all the rhetoric the fact Osborne doesnt admit to is that he has borrowed more in four years than Labour did in thirteen, mainly to help all his Eton pals while food banks boom. In a few years time we'll all be talking about the mess the ConDems left us in.[/p][/quote]I would suggest you watch the Panorama special on Food banks from a couple of weeks ago. The demand for them isn't being being hungry. Its down to Government and local subsidies that can be gathered. not to mention the majority of the "customers" are immigrants (see Nu Labour) and the remaining are generally handouts not needed If you give something away for free people will naturally take advantage[/p][/quote]So you are saying you wouldn't accept anything offered to you? Never look a gift horse in the mouth I say. There have been immigrants since time immemorial, not all have been to our benefit, but a lot have become part of the whole.[/p][/quote]Well I personally circumstances remaining the same wouldn't visit a foodbank but there are plenty that do and don't really need to Its about priorities. Having internet, tv, smart phone, fags and beer are not priorities and all these things should only be bought after food , heat and shelter are paid for. Sadly we live in a world where food has taken a backseat and all foodbanks are doing is encouraging this. Remember the saying "Put food on the table"? I don't dispute we have always had immigrants but before Labour opened the floodgates immigration was on job demand not how much could be claimed for free. I don't blame the immigrants cause after all if you say lived in Romania in a hovel and had a chance to move to England, have a free house, benefits, schooling, healthcare and food...well why not , i certainly would[/p][/quote]"before Labour opened the floodgates?" Nothing to do with EU dictates then. What happened to the masses of Romanians and Bulgarians that were supposed to have swarmed in? I can't see any around here? If England is no longer to your liking you could always join many of expats in Spain e.t.c. I wonder who they are sponging off?[/p][/quote]Take a trip down to Forster Square...theres plenty down there most days. Like I said before you got all confrontational I dont begrudge any immigrant coming to the UK, as after all why not with whats given to them. And this isnt about EU policies either. Just have a look at the policies in operation in France of indeed Spain as you put it. You cant claim anything like what can be claimed in the UK. Andy2010
  • Score: 7

4:20pm Wed 19 Mar 14

ThisYear says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
ThisYear wrote:
PaulErith wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
I like the new £1 coin.
Me too although bet Vending Machine operators and Shopping trolley manufacturers are cursing this morning
Surely by 2017 we should have evolved into a cashless society. A physical note or coin is outdated. With the 'contactless payment' becoming more and more common, I hardly ever have to use coins. It's so much easier to pay by card. We should be thinking about a plan to get rid of physical currrency.
A cashless society would put us at the mercy of whoever controlled the computers..think about it.
Big brother? This thinking lark, painful isn't it?
Probably why you don't do it very often..especially when posting online!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: I like the new £1 coin.[/p][/quote]Me too although bet Vending Machine operators and Shopping trolley manufacturers are cursing this morning[/p][/quote]Surely by 2017 we should have evolved into a cashless society. A physical note or coin is outdated. With the 'contactless payment' becoming more and more common, I hardly ever have to use coins. It's so much easier to pay by card. We should be thinking about a plan to get rid of physical currrency.[/p][/quote]A cashless society would put us at the mercy of whoever controlled the computers..think about it.[/p][/quote]Big brother? This thinking lark, painful isn't it?[/p][/quote]Probably why you don't do it very often..especially when posting online! ThisYear
  • Score: 2

4:21pm Wed 19 Mar 14

adorable says...

Outside of the Box wrote:
Fags going up, Alcohol going up, Fuel going Food going up, the only coming down is our underwear so George Osborne can shaft us all.
Pity State Pensions aren't going up in line with the price of food.
[quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote: Fags going up, Alcohol going up, Fuel going Food going up, the only coming down is our underwear so George Osborne can shaft us all.[/p][/quote]Pity State Pensions aren't going up in line with the price of food. adorable
  • Score: 7

4:22pm Wed 19 Mar 14

ThisYear says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
ThisYear wrote:
GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
fredaj wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
Re ISAs - it's not much good putting £15K a year in ISAs when the interest is so poor. May as well leave it in a regular saving account and pay the tax, but then be free to move it when the expected rates start increasing.
You are just as free to move isa money (to another isa or to non-isa saving) as you are non-isa savings.
Lets face it the actual ISA subject was irrelevant in this budget, this was purely to get the pensioners to back the Conservatives in the forthcoming elections as was the whole pension speech!
They are frightened of the silver vote...come on old ones punch above your weight and give the heartless tory millionaire Ya-ya's a black eye come the general election...you know they are worth it!
Would love to but who do you suggest will look after my interests best?
Yourself!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: Re ISAs - it's not much good putting £15K a year in ISAs when the interest is so poor. May as well leave it in a regular saving account and pay the tax, but then be free to move it when the expected rates start increasing.[/p][/quote]You are just as free to move isa money (to another isa or to non-isa saving) as you are non-isa savings.[/p][/quote]Lets face it the actual ISA subject was irrelevant in this budget, this was purely to get the pensioners to back the Conservatives in the forthcoming elections as was the whole pension speech![/p][/quote]They are frightened of the silver vote...come on old ones punch above your weight and give the heartless tory millionaire Ya-ya's a black eye come the general election...you know they are worth it![/p][/quote]Would love to but who do you suggest will look after my interests best?[/p][/quote]Yourself! ThisYear
  • Score: 5

4:22pm Wed 19 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Hyper-Deactive wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
Sanctioning people for 13 weeks, putting people on silly courses (so classed as in education) or making them work voluntary does not reduce unemployment it's called fudging figures!
Keeps 'em off the streets though.
why would you assume that all unemployed people walk the streets every day ?
Why do you assume that I assume that, actually I don't, well not all of them are, some would be out looking for work perhaps, others are too lazy to do so. I know nothing of the courses mentioned, is there no educational value in them, care to enlighten me on how they work and how they affect the unemployment figures and how they are funded.
I personally know a 57 year old woman who is currently on a maths course yes maths at 57. If you can not do maths at 57 then there is just no hope. She was told that she had to attend this course or her benefits would stop. She gets a bus pass (paid for by the jobcentre) which she actually uses for doing her shopping and other things that she needs to do. As a course incentive she will actually receive a £40 food voucher when she completes this course. To sum up free bus pass, food voucher, cost of the course (£200 £300 at a guess check college rates) and still gets her benefits all paid for by the tax payer. While she is on this course she is classed as in education NOT UNEMPLOYED, when she completes that course English will be next. That is how they say unemployment is down. Sorry no it isn't Mr Cameron you are fudging the figures at the tax payers expense.
That's truly astonishing, but what do you offer as an alternative for this person and her like? You would prefer her to be inactive and an important statistic in a political argument? If nothing else this education seems better than nothing and it could be beneficial.
[quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hyper-Deactive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: Sanctioning people for 13 weeks, putting people on silly courses (so classed as in education) or making them work voluntary does not reduce unemployment it's called fudging figures![/p][/quote]Keeps 'em off the streets though.[/p][/quote]why would you assume that all unemployed people walk the streets every day ?[/p][/quote]Why do you assume that I assume that, actually I don't, well not all of them are, some would be out looking for work perhaps, others are too lazy to do so. I know nothing of the courses mentioned, is there no educational value in them, care to enlighten me on how they work and how they affect the unemployment figures and how they are funded.[/p][/quote]I personally know a 57 year old woman who is currently on a maths course yes maths at 57. If you can not do maths at 57 then there is just no hope. She was told that she had to attend this course or her benefits would stop. She gets a bus pass (paid for by the jobcentre) which she actually uses for doing her shopping and other things that she needs to do. As a course incentive she will actually receive a £40 food voucher when she completes this course. To sum up free bus pass, food voucher, cost of the course (£200 £300 at a guess check college rates) and still gets her benefits all paid for by the tax payer. While she is on this course she is classed as in education NOT UNEMPLOYED, when she completes that course English will be next. That is how they say unemployment is down. Sorry no it isn't Mr Cameron you are fudging the figures at the tax payers expense.[/p][/quote]That's truly astonishing, but what do you offer as an alternative for this person and her like? You would prefer her to be inactive and an important statistic in a political argument? If nothing else this education seems better than nothing and it could be beneficial. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

4:22pm Wed 19 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Hyper-Deactive wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
Sanctioning people for 13 weeks, putting people on silly courses (so classed as in education) or making them work voluntary does not reduce unemployment it's called fudging figures!
Keeps 'em off the streets though.
why would you assume that all unemployed people walk the streets every day ?
Why do you assume that I assume that, actually I don't, well not all of them are, some would be out looking for work perhaps, others are too lazy to do so. I know nothing of the courses mentioned, is there no educational value in them, care to enlighten me on how they work and how they affect the unemployment figures and how they are funded.
I personally know a 57 year old woman who is currently on a maths course yes maths at 57. If you can not do maths at 57 then there is just no hope. She was told that she had to attend this course or her benefits would stop. She gets a bus pass (paid for by the jobcentre) which she actually uses for doing her shopping and other things that she needs to do. As a course incentive she will actually receive a £40 food voucher when she completes this course. To sum up free bus pass, food voucher, cost of the course (£200 £300 at a guess check college rates) and still gets her benefits all paid for by the tax payer. While she is on this course she is classed as in education NOT UNEMPLOYED, when she completes that course English will be next. That is how they say unemployment is down. Sorry no it isn't Mr Cameron you are fudging the figures at the tax payers expense.
That's truly astonishing, but what do you offer as an alternative for this person and her like? You would prefer her to be inactive and an important statistic in a political argument? If nothing else this education seems better than nothing and it could be beneficial.
[quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hyper-Deactive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: Sanctioning people for 13 weeks, putting people on silly courses (so classed as in education) or making them work voluntary does not reduce unemployment it's called fudging figures![/p][/quote]Keeps 'em off the streets though.[/p][/quote]why would you assume that all unemployed people walk the streets every day ?[/p][/quote]Why do you assume that I assume that, actually I don't, well not all of them are, some would be out looking for work perhaps, others are too lazy to do so. I know nothing of the courses mentioned, is there no educational value in them, care to enlighten me on how they work and how they affect the unemployment figures and how they are funded.[/p][/quote]I personally know a 57 year old woman who is currently on a maths course yes maths at 57. If you can not do maths at 57 then there is just no hope. She was told that she had to attend this course or her benefits would stop. She gets a bus pass (paid for by the jobcentre) which she actually uses for doing her shopping and other things that she needs to do. As a course incentive she will actually receive a £40 food voucher when she completes this course. To sum up free bus pass, food voucher, cost of the course (£200 £300 at a guess check college rates) and still gets her benefits all paid for by the tax payer. While she is on this course she is classed as in education NOT UNEMPLOYED, when she completes that course English will be next. That is how they say unemployment is down. Sorry no it isn't Mr Cameron you are fudging the figures at the tax payers expense.[/p][/quote]That's truly astonishing, but what do you offer as an alternative for this person and her like? You would prefer her to be inactive and an important statistic in a political argument? If nothing else this education seems better than nothing and it could be beneficial. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

4:23pm Wed 19 Mar 14

GRUMPY PARENT says...

OSPREYSAINT = MAD4IT
OSPREYSAINT = MAD4IT GRUMPY PARENT
  • Score: 0

4:24pm Wed 19 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

ThisYear wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
ThisYear wrote:
GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
fredaj wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
Re ISAs - it's not much good putting £15K a year in ISAs when the interest is so poor. May as well leave it in a regular saving account and pay the tax, but then be free to move it when the expected rates start increasing.
You are just as free to move isa money (to another isa or to non-isa saving) as you are non-isa savings.
Lets face it the actual ISA subject was irrelevant in this budget, this was purely to get the pensioners to back the Conservatives in the forthcoming elections as was the whole pension speech!
They are frightened of the silver vote...come on old ones punch above your weight and give the heartless tory millionaire Ya-ya's a black eye come the general election...you know they are worth it!
Would love to but who do you suggest will look after my interests best?
Yourself!
Good answer. Vote for me.
[quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: Re ISAs - it's not much good putting £15K a year in ISAs when the interest is so poor. May as well leave it in a regular saving account and pay the tax, but then be free to move it when the expected rates start increasing.[/p][/quote]You are just as free to move isa money (to another isa or to non-isa saving) as you are non-isa savings.[/p][/quote]Lets face it the actual ISA subject was irrelevant in this budget, this was purely to get the pensioners to back the Conservatives in the forthcoming elections as was the whole pension speech![/p][/quote]They are frightened of the silver vote...come on old ones punch above your weight and give the heartless tory millionaire Ya-ya's a black eye come the general election...you know they are worth it![/p][/quote]Would love to but who do you suggest will look after my interests best?[/p][/quote]Yourself![/p][/quote]Good answer. Vote for me. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

4:25pm Wed 19 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
OSPREYSAINT = MAD4IT
TOOOLD4IT.
[quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: OSPREYSAINT = MAD4IT[/p][/quote]TOOOLD4IT. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -4

4:25pm Wed 19 Mar 14

adorable says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
As a working class Pensioner I did not expect to get anything out of a Tory Chancellor, I don't think I have been disappointed in being right. No doubt there may be nuances in the small print but I see no reason to Vote for him!
As an 80 years old pensioner with no benefits I would like the State Pension to go up in line with inflation.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: As a working class Pensioner I did not expect to get anything out of a Tory Chancellor, I don't think I have been disappointed in being right. No doubt there may be nuances in the small print but I see no reason to Vote for him![/p][/quote]As an 80 years old pensioner with no benefits I would like the State Pension to go up in line with inflation. adorable
  • Score: 11

4:26pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Andy2010 says...

ThisYear wrote:
PaulErith wrote:
ThisYear wrote:
PaulErith wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
I like the new £1 coin.
Me too although bet Vending Machine operators and Shopping trolley manufacturers are cursing this morning
Surely by 2017 we should have evolved into a cashless society. A physical note or coin is outdated. With the 'contactless payment' becoming more and more common, I hardly ever have to use coins. It's so much easier to pay by card. We should be thinking about a plan to get rid of physical currrency.
A cashless society would put us at the mercy of whoever controlled the computers..think about it.
That sounds like the sort of conspiracy fearing comment that WR9 would come out with. Your finances are already computerised so it's no different. The bit of paper that has a 20 on it isn't actually worth anything per se. It just represents currency. And, you can only one of them out of the bank if the computer says you have that much so you're already 'at their mercy' as you put it. Having a card you tap or a piece of metal or paper with a number on it is no different really.
Is it not a conspiracy to think that with money controlled by computers that those controlling the computers will not control people?

While people have money in their pockets they can pay for items, if the ATM breaks down or the bank has glitches..the case just recently...people will be able to use their hard currency to pay for food etc..
What case was this?

You mean when Natwest had a glitch and there was uproar?

On your thinking none of us would then use banks either and would just stash all our money at home under the mattress.

Or do we draw money out of the ATM? What happens if that fails?
[quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: I like the new £1 coin.[/p][/quote]Me too although bet Vending Machine operators and Shopping trolley manufacturers are cursing this morning[/p][/quote]Surely by 2017 we should have evolved into a cashless society. A physical note or coin is outdated. With the 'contactless payment' becoming more and more common, I hardly ever have to use coins. It's so much easier to pay by card. We should be thinking about a plan to get rid of physical currrency.[/p][/quote]A cashless society would put us at the mercy of whoever controlled the computers..think about it.[/p][/quote]That sounds like the sort of conspiracy fearing comment that WR9 would come out with. Your finances are already computerised so it's no different. The bit of paper that has a 20 on it isn't actually worth anything per se. It just represents currency. And, you can only one of them out of the bank if the computer says you have that much so you're already 'at their mercy' as you put it. Having a card you tap or a piece of metal or paper with a number on it is no different really.[/p][/quote]Is it not a conspiracy to think that with money controlled by computers that those controlling the computers will not control people? While people have money in their pockets they can pay for items, if the ATM breaks down or the bank has glitches..the case just recently...people will be able to use their hard currency to pay for food etc..[/p][/quote]What case was this? You mean when Natwest had a glitch and there was uproar? On your thinking none of us would then use banks either and would just stash all our money at home under the mattress. Or do we draw money out of the ATM? What happens if that fails? Andy2010
  • Score: 3

4:27pm Wed 19 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Andy2010 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
pauls55 wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
George Osborne is a genius, this is how a country should be run. I hope we never go back to boom and bust again.
Despite all the rhetoric the fact Osborne doesnt admit to is that he has borrowed more in four years than Labour did in thirteen, mainly to help all his Eton pals while food banks boom. In a few years time we'll all be talking about the mess the ConDems left us in.
I would suggest you watch the Panorama special on Food banks from a couple of weeks ago.

The demand for them isn't being being hungry. Its down to Government and local subsidies that can be gathered. not to mention the majority of the "customers" are immigrants (see Nu Labour) and the remaining are generally handouts not needed

If you give something away for free people will naturally take advantage
So you are saying you wouldn't accept anything offered to you? Never look a gift horse in the mouth I say. There have been immigrants since time immemorial, not all have been to our benefit, but a lot have become part of the whole.
Well I personally circumstances remaining the same wouldn't visit a foodbank but there are plenty that do and don't really need to

Its about priorities. Having internet, tv, smart phone, fags and beer are not priorities and all these things should only be bought after food , heat and shelter are paid for. Sadly we live in a world where food has taken a backseat and all foodbanks are doing is encouraging this.

Remember the saying "Put food on the table"?

I don't dispute we have always had immigrants but before Labour opened the floodgates immigration was on job demand not how much could be claimed for free. I don't blame the immigrants cause after all if you say lived in Romania in a hovel and had a chance to move to England, have a free house, benefits, schooling, healthcare and food...well why not , i certainly would
"before Labour opened the floodgates?" Nothing to do with EU dictates then.
What happened to the masses of Romanians and Bulgarians that were supposed to have swarmed in? I can't see any around here? If England is no longer to your liking you could always join many of expats in Spain e.t.c. I wonder who they are sponging off?
Take a trip down to Forster Square...theres plenty down there most days.

Like I said before you got all confrontational I dont begrudge any immigrant coming to the UK, as after all why not with whats given to them. And this isnt about EU policies either. Just have a look at the policies in operation in France of indeed Spain as you put it. You cant claim anything like what can be claimed in the UK.
I am not up with the niceties of living abroad, but I do know of expats that live in Spain but come back to the UK for treatment on the NHS!
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pauls55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: George Osborne is a genius, this is how a country should be run. I hope we never go back to boom and bust again.[/p][/quote]Despite all the rhetoric the fact Osborne doesnt admit to is that he has borrowed more in four years than Labour did in thirteen, mainly to help all his Eton pals while food banks boom. In a few years time we'll all be talking about the mess the ConDems left us in.[/p][/quote]I would suggest you watch the Panorama special on Food banks from a couple of weeks ago. The demand for them isn't being being hungry. Its down to Government and local subsidies that can be gathered. not to mention the majority of the "customers" are immigrants (see Nu Labour) and the remaining are generally handouts not needed If you give something away for free people will naturally take advantage[/p][/quote]So you are saying you wouldn't accept anything offered to you? Never look a gift horse in the mouth I say. There have been immigrants since time immemorial, not all have been to our benefit, but a lot have become part of the whole.[/p][/quote]Well I personally circumstances remaining the same wouldn't visit a foodbank but there are plenty that do and don't really need to Its about priorities. Having internet, tv, smart phone, fags and beer are not priorities and all these things should only be bought after food , heat and shelter are paid for. Sadly we live in a world where food has taken a backseat and all foodbanks are doing is encouraging this. Remember the saying "Put food on the table"? I don't dispute we have always had immigrants but before Labour opened the floodgates immigration was on job demand not how much could be claimed for free. I don't blame the immigrants cause after all if you say lived in Romania in a hovel and had a chance to move to England, have a free house, benefits, schooling, healthcare and food...well why not , i certainly would[/p][/quote]"before Labour opened the floodgates?" Nothing to do with EU dictates then. What happened to the masses of Romanians and Bulgarians that were supposed to have swarmed in? I can't see any around here? If England is no longer to your liking you could always join many of expats in Spain e.t.c. I wonder who they are sponging off?[/p][/quote]Take a trip down to Forster Square...theres plenty down there most days. Like I said before you got all confrontational I dont begrudge any immigrant coming to the UK, as after all why not with whats given to them. And this isnt about EU policies either. Just have a look at the policies in operation in France of indeed Spain as you put it. You cant claim anything like what can be claimed in the UK.[/p][/quote]I am not up with the niceties of living abroad, but I do know of expats that live in Spain but come back to the UK for treatment on the NHS! OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

4:30pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Andy2010 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
pauls55 wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
George Osborne is a genius, this is how a country should be run. I hope we never go back to boom and bust again.
Despite all the rhetoric the fact Osborne doesnt admit to is that he has borrowed more in four years than Labour did in thirteen, mainly to help all his Eton pals while food banks boom. In a few years time we'll all be talking about the mess the ConDems left us in.
I would suggest you watch the Panorama special on Food banks from a couple of weeks ago.

The demand for them isn't being being hungry. Its down to Government and local subsidies that can be gathered. not to mention the majority of the "customers" are immigrants (see Nu Labour) and the remaining are generally handouts not needed

If you give something away for free people will naturally take advantage
So you are saying you wouldn't accept anything offered to you? Never look a gift horse in the mouth I say. There have been immigrants since time immemorial, not all have been to our benefit, but a lot have become part of the whole.
Well I personally circumstances remaining the same wouldn't visit a foodbank but there are plenty that do and don't really need to

Its about priorities. Having internet, tv, smart phone, fags and beer are not priorities and all these things should only be bought after food , heat and shelter are paid for. Sadly we live in a world where food has taken a backseat and all foodbanks are doing is encouraging this.

Remember the saying "Put food on the table"?

I don't dispute we have always had immigrants but before Labour opened the floodgates immigration was on job demand not how much could be claimed for free. I don't blame the immigrants cause after all if you say lived in Romania in a hovel and had a chance to move to England, have a free house, benefits, schooling, healthcare and food...well why not , i certainly would
"before Labour opened the floodgates?" Nothing to do with EU dictates then.
What happened to the masses of Romanians and Bulgarians that were supposed to have swarmed in? I can't see any around here? If England is no longer to your liking you could always join many of expats in Spain e.t.c. I wonder who they are sponging off?
Take a trip down to Forster Square...theres plenty down there most days.

Like I said before you got all confrontational I dont begrudge any immigrant coming to the UK, as after all why not with whats given to them. And this isnt about EU policies either. Just have a look at the policies in operation in France of indeed Spain as you put it. You cant claim anything like what can be claimed in the UK.
I am not up with the niceties of living abroad, but I do know of expats that live in Spain but come back to the UK for treatment on the NHS!
And why shouldnt they when they have probably paid into the NHS all their lives and see people travelling from Pakistan to give birth at the BRI then scutter back over there without putting anything in
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pauls55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: George Osborne is a genius, this is how a country should be run. I hope we never go back to boom and bust again.[/p][/quote]Despite all the rhetoric the fact Osborne doesnt admit to is that he has borrowed more in four years than Labour did in thirteen, mainly to help all his Eton pals while food banks boom. In a few years time we'll all be talking about the mess the ConDems left us in.[/p][/quote]I would suggest you watch the Panorama special on Food banks from a couple of weeks ago. The demand for them isn't being being hungry. Its down to Government and local subsidies that can be gathered. not to mention the majority of the "customers" are immigrants (see Nu Labour) and the remaining are generally handouts not needed If you give something away for free people will naturally take advantage[/p][/quote]So you are saying you wouldn't accept anything offered to you? Never look a gift horse in the mouth I say. There have been immigrants since time immemorial, not all have been to our benefit, but a lot have become part of the whole.[/p][/quote]Well I personally circumstances remaining the same wouldn't visit a foodbank but there are plenty that do and don't really need to Its about priorities. Having internet, tv, smart phone, fags and beer are not priorities and all these things should only be bought after food , heat and shelter are paid for. Sadly we live in a world where food has taken a backseat and all foodbanks are doing is encouraging this. Remember the saying "Put food on the table"? I don't dispute we have always had immigrants but before Labour opened the floodgates immigration was on job demand not how much could be claimed for free. I don't blame the immigrants cause after all if you say lived in Romania in a hovel and had a chance to move to England, have a free house, benefits, schooling, healthcare and food...well why not , i certainly would[/p][/quote]"before Labour opened the floodgates?" Nothing to do with EU dictates then. What happened to the masses of Romanians and Bulgarians that were supposed to have swarmed in? I can't see any around here? If England is no longer to your liking you could always join many of expats in Spain e.t.c. I wonder who they are sponging off?[/p][/quote]Take a trip down to Forster Square...theres plenty down there most days. Like I said before you got all confrontational I dont begrudge any immigrant coming to the UK, as after all why not with whats given to them. And this isnt about EU policies either. Just have a look at the policies in operation in France of indeed Spain as you put it. You cant claim anything like what can be claimed in the UK.[/p][/quote]I am not up with the niceties of living abroad, but I do know of expats that live in Spain but come back to the UK for treatment on the NHS![/p][/quote]And why shouldnt they when they have probably paid into the NHS all their lives and see people travelling from Pakistan to give birth at the BRI then scutter back over there without putting anything in Andy2010
  • Score: 8

4:31pm Wed 19 Mar 14

GRUMPY PARENT says...

GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
OSPREYSAINT = MAD4IT
You still MAD4IT bro
[quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: OSPREYSAINT = MAD4IT[/p][/quote]You still MAD4IT bro GRUMPY PARENT
  • Score: -1

4:31pm Wed 19 Mar 14

ThisYear says...

Andy2010 wrote:
ThisYear wrote:
PaulErith wrote:
ThisYear wrote:
PaulErith wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
I like the new £1 coin.
Me too although bet Vending Machine operators and Shopping trolley manufacturers are cursing this morning
Surely by 2017 we should have evolved into a cashless society. A physical note or coin is outdated. With the 'contactless payment' becoming more and more common, I hardly ever have to use coins. It's so much easier to pay by card. We should be thinking about a plan to get rid of physical currrency.
A cashless society would put us at the mercy of whoever controlled the computers..think about it.
That sounds like the sort of conspiracy fearing comment that WR9 would come out with. Your finances are already computerised so it's no different. The bit of paper that has a 20 on it isn't actually worth anything per se. It just represents currency. And, you can only one of them out of the bank if the computer says you have that much so you're already 'at their mercy' as you put it. Having a card you tap or a piece of metal or paper with a number on it is no different really.
Is it not a conspiracy to think that with money controlled by computers that those controlling the computers will not control people?

While people have money in their pockets they can pay for items, if the ATM breaks down or the bank has glitches..the case just recently...people will be able to use their hard currency to pay for food etc..
What case was this?

You mean when Natwest had a glitch and there was uproar?

On your thinking none of us would then use banks either and would just stash all our money at home under the mattress.

Or do we draw money out of the ATM? What happens if that fails?
Many do not use banks..many don't have the money to use them..many wouldn't if they didn't have to...many!

There have been a few bank glitches in the last few years..google them

I made mention of the ATM being faulty.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ThisYear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaulErith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: I like the new £1 coin.[/p][/quote]Me too although bet Vending Machine operators and Shopping trolley manufacturers are cursing this morning[/p][/quote]Surely by 2017 we should have evolved into a cashless society. A physical note or coin is outdated. With the 'contactless payment' becoming more and more common, I hardly ever have to use coins. It's so much easier to pay by card. We should be thinking about a plan to get rid of physical currrency.[/p][/quote]A cashless society would put us at the mercy of whoever controlled the computers..think about it.[/p][/quote]That sounds like the sort of conspiracy fearing comment that WR9 would come out with. Your finances are already computerised so it's no different. The bit of paper that has a 20 on it isn't actually worth anything per se. It just represents currency. And, you can only one of them out of the bank if the computer says you have that much so you're already 'at their mercy' as you put it. Having a card you tap or a piece of metal or paper with a number on it is no different really.[/p][/quote]Is it not a conspiracy to think that with money controlled by computers that those controlling the computers will not control people? While people have money in their pockets they can pay for items, if the ATM breaks down or the bank has glitches..the case just recently...people will be able to use their hard currency to pay for food etc..[/p][/quote]What case was this? You mean when Natwest had a glitch and there was uproar? On your thinking none of us would then use banks either and would just stash all our money at home under the mattress. Or do we draw money out of the ATM? What happens if that fails?[/p][/quote]Many do not use banks..many don't have the money to use them..many wouldn't if they didn't have to...many! There have been a few bank glitches in the last few years..google them I made mention of the ATM being faulty. ThisYear
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4:32pm Wed 19 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Andy2010 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
pauls55 wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
George Osborne is a genius, this is how a country should be run. I hope we never go back to boom and bust again.
Despite all the rhetoric the fact Osborne doesnt admit to is that he has borrowed more in four years than Labour did in thirteen, mainly to help all his Eton pals while food banks boom. In a few years time we'll all be talking about the mess the ConDems left us in.
I would suggest you watch the Panorama special on Food banks from a couple of weeks ago.

The demand for them isn't being being hungry. Its down to Government and local subsidies that can be gathered. not to mention the majority of the "customers" are immigrants (see Nu Labour) and the remaining are generally handouts not needed

If you give something away for free people will naturally take advantage
So you are saying you wouldn't accept anything offered to you? Never look a gift horse in the mouth I say. There have been immigrants since time immemorial, not all have been to our benefit, but a lot have become part of the whole.
Well I personally circumstances remaining the same wouldn't visit a foodbank but there are plenty that do and don't really need to

Its about priorities. Having internet, tv, smart phone, fags and beer are not priorities and all these things should only be bought after food , heat and shelter are paid for. Sadly we live in a world where food has taken a backseat and all foodbanks are doing is encouraging this.

Remember the saying "Put food on the table"?

I don't dispute we have always had immigrants but before Labour opened the floodgates immigration was on job demand not how much could be claimed for free. I don't blame the immigrants cause after all if you say lived in Romania in a hovel and had a chance to move to England, have a free house, benefits, schooling, healthcare and food...well why not , i certainly would
"before Labour opened the floodgates?" Nothing to do with EU dictates then.
What happened to the masses of Romanians and Bulgarians that were supposed to have swarmed in? I can't see any around here? If England is no longer to your liking you could always join many of expats in Spain e.t.c. I wonder who they are sponging off?
Take a trip down to Forster Square...theres plenty down there most days.

Like I said before you got all confrontational I dont begrudge any immigrant coming to the UK, as after all why not with whats given to them. And this isnt about EU policies either. Just have a look at the policies in operation in France of indeed Spain as you put it. You cant claim anything like what can be claimed in the UK.
I am not up with the niceties of living abroad, but I do know of expats that live in Spain but come back to the UK for treatment on the NHS!
And why shouldnt they when they have probably paid into the NHS all their lives and see people travelling from Pakistan to give birth at the BRI then scutter back over there without putting anything in
I can't answer that, not right is it. Luckily I suspect there aren't that many.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pauls55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: George Osborne is a genius, this is how a country should be run. I hope we never go back to boom and bust again.[/p][/quote]Despite all the rhetoric the fact Osborne doesnt admit to is that he has borrowed more in four years than Labour did in thirteen, mainly to help all his Eton pals while food banks boom. In a few years time we'll all be talking about the mess the ConDems left us in.[/p][/quote]I would suggest you watch the Panorama special on Food banks from a couple of weeks ago. The demand for them isn't being being hungry. Its down to Government and local subsidies that can be gathered. not to mention the majority of the "customers" are immigrants (see Nu Labour) and the remaining are generally handouts not needed If you give something away for free people will naturally take advantage[/p][/quote]So you are saying you wouldn't accept anything offered to you? Never look a gift horse in the mouth I say. There have been immigrants since time immemorial, not all have been to our benefit, but a lot have become part of the whole.[/p][/quote]Well I personally circumstances remaining the same wouldn't visit a foodbank but there are plenty that do and don't really need to Its about priorities. Having internet, tv, smart phone, fags and beer are not priorities and all these things should only be bought after food , heat and shelter are paid for. Sadly we live in a world where food has taken a backseat and all foodbanks are doing is encouraging this. Remember the saying "Put food on the table"? I don't dispute we have always had immigrants but before Labour opened the floodgates immigration was on job demand not how much could be claimed for free. I don't blame the immigrants cause after all if you say lived in Romania in a hovel and had a chance to move to England, have a free house, benefits, schooling, healthcare and food...well why not , i certainly would[/p][/quote]"before Labour opened the floodgates?" Nothing to do with EU dictates then. What happened to the masses of Romanians and Bulgarians that were supposed to have swarmed in? I can't see any around here? If England is no longer to your liking you could always join many of expats in Spain e.t.c. I wonder who they are sponging off?[/p][/quote]Take a trip down to Forster Square...theres plenty down there most days. Like I said before you got all confrontational I dont begrudge any immigrant coming to the UK, as after all why not with whats given to them. And this isnt about EU policies either. Just have a look at the policies in operation in France of indeed Spain as you put it. You cant claim anything like what can be claimed in the UK.[/p][/quote]I am not up with the niceties of living abroad, but I do know of expats that live in Spain but come back to the UK for treatment on the NHS![/p][/quote]And why shouldnt they when they have probably paid into the NHS all their lives and see people travelling from Pakistan to give birth at the BRI then scutter back over there without putting anything in[/p][/quote]I can't answer that, not right is it. Luckily I suspect there aren't that many. OSPREYSAINT
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4:32pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Villagecranberry says...

adorable wrote:
Outside of the Box wrote:
Fags going up, Alcohol going up, Fuel going Food going up, the only coming down is our underwear so George Osborne can shaft us all.
Pity State Pensions aren't going up in line with the price of food.
Food is cheaper now than it ever was, go to Waitose in the evening, you can by a fresh chicken for about three pound and they are always reducing goods. Must be absolute bargain shopping in Lidl and Tesco when they reduce items. You can buy fresh veg and fruit at Bakers Arms for £1 a bowl, everything is cheap except the rubbish take away shops charging £15.99 for an unhealthy pizza or bucket greasy chicken when you could feed a family for days if you learnt how to cook. Ilford High Street has shops where you can buy 2 kilo of various pulses for £1.99, sack rice for a fiver, sack of onions two quid, sack spuds £3.99, pitta bread 5 packs for a pound! You just have to look instead of ordering from those glossy leaflets shoved through your door to get food by a gas guzzling smoking moped delivery rider.

Eat healthy stay healthy and be less of a burden on the NHS.
[quote][p][bold]adorable[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote: Fags going up, Alcohol going up, Fuel going Food going up, the only coming down is our underwear so George Osborne can shaft us all.[/p][/quote]Pity State Pensions aren't going up in line with the price of food.[/p][/quote]Food is cheaper now than it ever was, go to Waitose in the evening, you can by a fresh chicken for about three pound and they are always reducing goods. Must be absolute bargain shopping in Lidl and Tesco when they reduce items. You can buy fresh veg and fruit at Bakers Arms for £1 a bowl, everything is cheap except the rubbish take away shops charging £15.99 for an unhealthy pizza or bucket greasy chicken when you could feed a family for days if you learnt how to cook. Ilford High Street has shops where you can buy 2 kilo of various pulses for £1.99, sack rice for a fiver, sack of onions two quid, sack spuds £3.99, pitta bread 5 packs for a pound! You just have to look instead of ordering from those glossy leaflets shoved through your door to get food by a gas guzzling smoking moped delivery rider. Eat healthy stay healthy and be less of a burden on the NHS. Villagecranberry
  • Score: 9

4:34pm Wed 19 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
OSPREYSAINT = MAD4IT
You still MAD4IT bro
More SADOLDGIT
[quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: OSPREYSAINT = MAD4IT[/p][/quote]You still MAD4IT bro[/p][/quote]More SADOLDGIT OSPREYSAINT
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4:38pm Wed 19 Mar 14

GRUMPY PARENT says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
OSPREYSAINT = MAD4IT
You still MAD4IT bro
More SADOLDGIT
Half your age self commented pensioner MAD4IT
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: OSPREYSAINT = MAD4IT[/p][/quote]You still MAD4IT bro[/p][/quote]More SADOLDGIT[/p][/quote]Half your age self commented pensioner MAD4IT GRUMPY PARENT
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4:41pm Wed 19 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Hyper-Deactive wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Hyper-Deactive wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
Sanctioning people for 13 weeks, putting people on silly courses (so classed as in education) or making them work voluntary does not reduce unemployment it's called fudging figures!
Keeps 'em off the streets though.
why would you assume that all unemployed people walk the streets every day ?
Why do you assume that I assume that, actually I don't, well not all of them are, some would be out looking for work perhaps, others are too lazy to do so. I know nothing of the courses mentioned, is there no educational value in them, care to enlighten me on how they work and how they affect the unemployment figures and how they are funded.
I don't work for DWP so have no idea how they are funded but the comment "Keeps them off the streets" just tells me that you look down on anybody who is unemployed and DO ASSUME that they are all scum.

Please remember that a man that may be unemployed today could have been a CEO yesterday.

You might see people outside job centres smoking and drinking and being chavvy but not everybody who is unemployed is like that.
Rubbish, it was just an off the cuff, flippant remark, which anyone with a minimal sense of humour would have recognised. I spent 48 and three quarter years in full and meaningful employment, was made redundant once for a very short period, retired on a Pension, that will just about see me through the remains on my life, it was paid for in full, and less than it should be, because of poor Interest Rates. I regard myself as one of the lucky ones. I have a lot of sympathy for those that struggle through unemployment which was no fault of there own. I do not label anyone that is unemployed, but can you agree with me, that some are unemployed because they can be and want to be, because they can survive on hand outs. The simple truth is that many are unemployed because there are no suitable jobs, not because they are unemployable. I am not to blame for their predicament.
You really have no clue, "survive on handouts" some are on £117 every two weeks and have to buy food and pay towards bills that's before fags, beer and drugs that you seem to be referring to if your unemployed that's what you do. I am glad you have your pension to survive on and all your "handouts" as well ie Fuel allowance, (probably) blue badge, state pension, council tax benefit's, and all the other benefits Mr Osborne has just given you. Guess where your vote will be going!. I'm just happy that I live in the knowledge that I could buy and sell you in a heartbeat!
Still Grumpy
Woah! mate I don't receive any hand outs, I don't claim any benefits, I pay full Council Tax, I don't drive a car, I vote Labour, if it is any of your business.
Quote "have to buy food and pay towards bills that's before fags, beer and drugs that you seem to be referring to if your unemployed that's what you do" I don't recall saying any of that. If you are going to slag me off at least get your facts right.
[quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hyper-Deactive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hyper-Deactive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: Sanctioning people for 13 weeks, putting people on silly courses (so classed as in education) or making them work voluntary does not reduce unemployment it's called fudging figures![/p][/quote]Keeps 'em off the streets though.[/p][/quote]why would you assume that all unemployed people walk the streets every day ?[/p][/quote]Why do you assume that I assume that, actually I don't, well not all of them are, some would be out looking for work perhaps, others are too lazy to do so. I know nothing of the courses mentioned, is there no educational value in them, care to enlighten me on how they work and how they affect the unemployment figures and how they are funded.[/p][/quote]I don't work for DWP so have no idea how they are funded but the comment "Keeps them off the streets" just tells me that you look down on anybody who is unemployed and DO ASSUME that they are all scum. Please remember that a man that may be unemployed today could have been a CEO yesterday. You might see people outside job centres smoking and drinking and being chavvy but not everybody who is unemployed is like that.[/p][/quote]Rubbish, it was just an off the cuff, flippant remark, which anyone with a minimal sense of humour would have recognised. I spent 48 and three quarter years in full and meaningful employment, was made redundant once for a very short period, retired on a Pension, that will just about see me through the remains on my life, it was paid for in full, and less than it should be, because of poor Interest Rates. I regard myself as one of the lucky ones. I have a lot of sympathy for those that struggle through unemployment which was no fault of there own. I do not label anyone that is unemployed, but can you agree with me, that some are unemployed because they can be and want to be, because they can survive on hand outs. The simple truth is that many are unemployed because there are no suitable jobs, not because they are unemployable. I am not to blame for their predicament.[/p][/quote]You really have no clue, "survive on handouts" some are on £117 every two weeks and have to buy food and pay towards bills that's before fags, beer and drugs that you seem to be referring to if your unemployed that's what you do. I am glad you have your pension to survive on and all your "handouts" as well ie Fuel allowance, (probably) blue badge, state pension, council tax benefit's, and all the other benefits Mr Osborne has just given you. Guess where your vote will be going!. I'm just happy that I live in the knowledge that I could buy and sell you in a heartbeat! Still Grumpy[/p][/quote]Woah! mate I don't receive any hand outs, I don't claim any benefits, I pay full Council Tax, I don't drive a car, I vote Labour, if it is any of your business. Quote "have to buy food and pay towards bills that's before fags, beer and drugs that you seem to be referring to if your unemployed that's what you do" I don't recall saying any of that. If you are going to slag me off at least get your facts right. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

4:41pm Wed 19 Mar 14

GRUMPY PARENT says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
OSPREYSAINT = MAD4IT
You still MAD4IT bro
More SADOLDGIT
By the way do the staff at Hollins Park know you have a computer in your padded cell?
I better ring them
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: OSPREYSAINT = MAD4IT[/p][/quote]You still MAD4IT bro[/p][/quote]More SADOLDGIT[/p][/quote]By the way do the staff at Hollins Park know you have a computer in your padded cell? I better ring them GRUMPY PARENT
  • Score: 2

4:43pm Wed 19 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

adorable wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
As a working class Pensioner I did not expect to get anything out of a Tory Chancellor, I don't think I have been disappointed in being right. No doubt there may be nuances in the small print but I see no reason to Vote for him!
As an 80 years old pensioner with no benefits I would like the State Pension to go up in line with inflation.
You deserve better than that old feller.
[quote][p][bold]adorable[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: As a working class Pensioner I did not expect to get anything out of a Tory Chancellor, I don't think I have been disappointed in being right. No doubt there may be nuances in the small print but I see no reason to Vote for him![/p][/quote]As an 80 years old pensioner with no benefits I would like the State Pension to go up in line with inflation.[/p][/quote]You deserve better than that old feller. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 3

4:43pm Wed 19 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
OSPREYSAINT = MAD4IT
You still MAD4IT bro
More SADOLDGIT
Half your age self commented pensioner MAD4IT
You are 33?
[quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: OSPREYSAINT = MAD4IT[/p][/quote]You still MAD4IT bro[/p][/quote]More SADOLDGIT[/p][/quote]Half your age self commented pensioner MAD4IT[/p][/quote]You are 33? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

4:46pm Wed 19 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
OSPREYSAINT = MAD4IT
You still MAD4IT bro
More SADOLDGIT
By the way do the staff at Hollins Park know you have a computer in your padded cell?
I better ring them
Haven't been in Warrington since 1961 and certainly not in an Institution.
[quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: OSPREYSAINT = MAD4IT[/p][/quote]You still MAD4IT bro[/p][/quote]More SADOLDGIT[/p][/quote]By the way do the staff at Hollins Park know you have a computer in your padded cell? I better ring them[/p][/quote]Haven't been in Warrington since 1961 and certainly not in an Institution. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

4:54pm Wed 19 Mar 14

MartinB58 says...

This budget is a whole load of nothingness for the average worker with a mortgage and a family to feed. Once living costs (without luxuries) have been paid there is already nothing left to save. Let alone going to the pub for a cheaper pint or playing bingo with.
This budget is a whole load of nothingness for the average worker with a mortgage and a family to feed. Once living costs (without luxuries) have been paid there is already nothing left to save. Let alone going to the pub for a cheaper pint or playing bingo with. MartinB58
  • Score: 3

4:55pm Wed 19 Mar 14

GRUMPY PARENT says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
OSPREYSAINT = MAD4IT
You still MAD4IT bro
More SADOLDGIT
By the way do the staff at Hollins Park know you have a computer in your padded cell?
I better ring them
Haven't been in Warrington since 1961 and certainly not in an Institution.
You sure you've not been in this institution since 1961 but your "friend" that being your other personality, has just been lying to you! Look to your left and right what do you see? Padding! makes you wonder.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: OSPREYSAINT = MAD4IT[/p][/quote]You still MAD4IT bro[/p][/quote]More SADOLDGIT[/p][/quote]By the way do the staff at Hollins Park know you have a computer in your padded cell? I better ring them[/p][/quote]Haven't been in Warrington since 1961 and certainly not in an Institution.[/p][/quote]You sure you've not been in this institution since 1961 but your "friend" that being your other personality, has just been lying to you! Look to your left and right what do you see? Padding! makes you wonder. GRUMPY PARENT
  • Score: -1

5:03pm Wed 19 Mar 14

GRUMPY PARENT says...

MartinB58 wrote:
This budget is a whole load of nothingness for the average worker with a mortgage and a family to feed. Once living costs (without luxuries) have been paid there is already nothing left to save. Let alone going to the pub for a cheaper pint or playing bingo with.
Pensioner vote my friend it should be called the pensioner budget to get votes.
[quote][p][bold]MartinB58[/bold] wrote: This budget is a whole load of nothingness for the average worker with a mortgage and a family to feed. Once living costs (without luxuries) have been paid there is already nothing left to save. Let alone going to the pub for a cheaper pint or playing bingo with.[/p][/quote]Pensioner vote my friend it should be called the pensioner budget to get votes. GRUMPY PARENT
  • Score: 1

5:10pm Wed 19 Mar 14

bd7 helper says...

Waste of time just makin a fool of himself
Waste of time just makin a fool of himself bd7 helper
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5:10pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Andy2010 says...

http://longtermplan.
org.uk/
http://longtermplan. org.uk/ Andy2010
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5:13pm Wed 19 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
OSPREYSAINT = MAD4IT
You still MAD4IT bro
More SADOLDGIT
By the way do the staff at Hollins Park know you have a computer in your padded cell?
I better ring them
Haven't been in Warrington since 1961 and certainly not in an Institution.
You sure you've not been in this institution since 1961 but your "friend" that being your other personality, has just been lying to you! Look to your left and right what do you see? Padding! makes you wonder.
Being Grumpy yourself looks like its you that needs some anger management. I may be old but certainly not certifiable, sorry to disappoint you. How did you know about Hollins Park, I had to Google it.
[quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: OSPREYSAINT = MAD4IT[/p][/quote]You still MAD4IT bro[/p][/quote]More SADOLDGIT[/p][/quote]By the way do the staff at Hollins Park know you have a computer in your padded cell? I better ring them[/p][/quote]Haven't been in Warrington since 1961 and certainly not in an Institution.[/p][/quote]You sure you've not been in this institution since 1961 but your "friend" that being your other personality, has just been lying to you! Look to your left and right what do you see? Padding! makes you wonder.[/p][/quote]Being Grumpy yourself looks like its you that needs some anger management. I may be old but certainly not certifiable, sorry to disappoint you. How did you know about Hollins Park, I had to Google it. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

5:14pm Wed 19 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

MartinB58 wrote:
This budget is a whole load of nothingness for the average worker with a mortgage and a family to feed. Once living costs (without luxuries) have been paid there is already nothing left to save. Let alone going to the pub for a cheaper pint or playing bingo with.
Spot on.
[quote][p][bold]MartinB58[/bold] wrote: This budget is a whole load of nothingness for the average worker with a mortgage and a family to feed. Once living costs (without luxuries) have been paid there is already nothing left to save. Let alone going to the pub for a cheaper pint or playing bingo with.[/p][/quote]Spot on. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 3

5:18pm Wed 19 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
MartinB58 wrote:
This budget is a whole load of nothingness for the average worker with a mortgage and a family to feed. Once living costs (without luxuries) have been paid there is already nothing left to save. Let alone going to the pub for a cheaper pint or playing bingo with.
Pensioner vote my friend it should be called the pensioner budget to get votes.
Won't get mine.
[quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MartinB58[/bold] wrote: This budget is a whole load of nothingness for the average worker with a mortgage and a family to feed. Once living costs (without luxuries) have been paid there is already nothing left to save. Let alone going to the pub for a cheaper pint or playing bingo with.[/p][/quote]Pensioner vote my friend it should be called the pensioner budget to get votes.[/p][/quote]Won't get mine. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 3

5:20pm Wed 19 Mar 14

likewatchingbrazil says...

blah blah blah heard it all before, nothing changes, let's give the new boys a go.
vote UKIP
blah blah blah heard it all before, nothing changes, let's give the new boys a go. vote UKIP likewatchingbrazil
  • Score: 8

5:34pm Wed 19 Mar 14

stickmanny says...

likewatchingbrazil wrote:
blah blah blah heard it all before, nothing changes, let's give the new boys a go.
vote UKIP
that's the worst idea in the entire history of ideas
[quote][p][bold]likewatchingbrazil[/bold] wrote: blah blah blah heard it all before, nothing changes, let's give the new boys a go. vote UKIP[/p][/quote]that's the worst idea in the entire history of ideas stickmanny
  • Score: -7

6:08pm Wed 19 Mar 14

collos25 says...

bigfella777 wrote:
George Osborne is a genius, this is how a country should be run. I hope we never go back to boom and bust again.
Have you any idea he has had to borrow to give to the rich of this land if your a pensioner or someone who earns less than 30k a year your about to get shafted.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: George Osborne is a genius, this is how a country should be run. I hope we never go back to boom and bust again.[/p][/quote]Have you any idea he has had to borrow to give to the rich of this land if your a pensioner or someone who earns less than 30k a year your about to get shafted. collos25
  • Score: 5

6:12pm Wed 19 Mar 14

angry bradfordian says...

Villagecranberry wrote:
adorable wrote:
Outside of the Box wrote:
Fags going up, Alcohol going up, Fuel going Food going up, the only coming down is our underwear so George Osborne can shaft us all.
Pity State Pensions aren't going up in line with the price of food.
Food is cheaper now than it ever was, go to Waitose in the evening, you can by a fresh chicken for about three pound and they are always reducing goods. Must be absolute bargain shopping in Lidl and Tesco when they reduce items. You can buy fresh veg and fruit at Bakers Arms for £1 a bowl, everything is cheap except the rubbish take away shops charging £15.99 for an unhealthy pizza or bucket greasy chicken when you could feed a family for days if you learnt how to cook. Ilford High Street has shops where you can buy 2 kilo of various pulses for £1.99, sack rice for a fiver, sack of onions two quid, sack spuds £3.99, pitta bread 5 packs for a pound! You just have to look instead of ordering from those glossy leaflets shoved through your door to get food by a gas guzzling smoking moped delivery rider.

Eat healthy stay healthy and be less of a burden on the NHS.
Amazingly, the % of income the average household spends on food is 3 times less than it was in 1960. Now it isn't even the major item of expenditure. This is from the Guardian in December 2013:

....."The average British household spends £489 each week according to new data from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) - £7.70 less than they did a year ago.
The numbers, taken from a survey of over 5,000 households also show how that money is being spent. The largest single area of spending is housing, fuel and power (£68 per week), followed by transport (£64.10)."........

After this come Recreation & Culture £61.50 and THEN food and non alcoholic drink at £56.80. So on average we spend more on leisure than we do feeding ourselves!
[quote][p][bold]Villagecranberry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adorable[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote: Fags going up, Alcohol going up, Fuel going Food going up, the only coming down is our underwear so George Osborne can shaft us all.[/p][/quote]Pity State Pensions aren't going up in line with the price of food.[/p][/quote]Food is cheaper now than it ever was, go to Waitose in the evening, you can by a fresh chicken for about three pound and they are always reducing goods. Must be absolute bargain shopping in Lidl and Tesco when they reduce items. You can buy fresh veg and fruit at Bakers Arms for £1 a bowl, everything is cheap except the rubbish take away shops charging £15.99 for an unhealthy pizza or bucket greasy chicken when you could feed a family for days if you learnt how to cook. Ilford High Street has shops where you can buy 2 kilo of various pulses for £1.99, sack rice for a fiver, sack of onions two quid, sack spuds £3.99, pitta bread 5 packs for a pound! You just have to look instead of ordering from those glossy leaflets shoved through your door to get food by a gas guzzling smoking moped delivery rider. Eat healthy stay healthy and be less of a burden on the NHS.[/p][/quote]Amazingly, the % of income the average household spends on food is 3 times less than it was in 1960. Now it isn't even the major item of expenditure. This is from the Guardian in December 2013: ....."The average British household spends £489 each week according to new data from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) - £7.70 less than they did a year ago. The numbers, taken from a survey of over 5,000 households also show how that money is being spent. The largest single area of spending is housing, fuel and power (£68 per week), followed by transport (£64.10)."........ After this come Recreation & Culture £61.50 and THEN food and non alcoholic drink at £56.80. So on average we spend more on leisure than we do feeding ourselves! angry bradfordian
  • Score: 2

6:15pm Wed 19 Mar 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

Osprey Saint,
I live in Spain.I lived and worked in England until I was 65 years old.I get NO Benefits from the U.K only my basic State pension.I do not return to the U.K. for any medical treatment.I get free medical here as I am an E.U. pensioner paying 10% towards my prescriptions.I am not entitled to any benefits from the Spanish system,which by the way I fully agree with,maybe the U.K could follow suit.You are quite correct,I know plenty of ex pats who return to the U.K. for medicals etc.claim Housing Benefit,Child Allowance,Care Allowance etc,etc,etc.Who is to blame? The G.P.s for one who know their patients live abroad but turn a blind eye to the fact.I know people who receive six months of Prescriptions ,sent by their families,why do the G.P.s do this?I know people with N.H.S dentists in the U.K. who actually ring up from Spain to book an appointment.Why do the Dentists allow this.I will tell you why,the Country is corrupt from top to bottom,that is why.Do not just blame immigration,look closer to home.
Osprey Saint, I live in Spain.I lived and worked in England until I was 65 years old.I get NO Benefits from the U.K only my basic State pension.I do not return to the U.K. for any medical treatment.I get free medical here as I am an E.U. pensioner paying 10% towards my prescriptions.I am not entitled to any benefits from the Spanish system,which by the way I fully agree with,maybe the U.K could follow suit.You are quite correct,I know plenty of ex pats who return to the U.K. for medicals etc.claim Housing Benefit,Child Allowance,Care Allowance etc,etc,etc.Who is to blame? The G.P.s for one who know their patients live abroad but turn a blind eye to the fact.I know people who receive six months of Prescriptions ,sent by their families,why do the G.P.s do this?I know people with N.H.S dentists in the U.K. who actually ring up from Spain to book an appointment.Why do the Dentists allow this.I will tell you why,the Country is corrupt from top to bottom,that is why.Do not just blame immigration,look closer to home. spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: 7

6:20pm Wed 19 Mar 14

burner says...

WHO THE HELL ARE ALL THESE POSTERS ? NEVER HEARD OF ANY OF THEM BEFORE . . .. HAS THE SOUTH HI-JACKED OUR EAST LANCASHIRE NEWS NOW ? . . . . . OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A NATIONAL, AGENCY SITE . . . . . . . . . LAZY !!!
WHO THE HELL ARE ALL THESE POSTERS ? NEVER HEARD OF ANY OF THEM BEFORE . . .. HAS THE SOUTH HI-JACKED OUR EAST LANCASHIRE NEWS NOW ? . . . . . OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A NATIONAL, AGENCY SITE . . . . . . . . . LAZY !!! burner
  • Score: -6

6:40pm Wed 19 Mar 14

RollandSmoke says...

So tell me this, as a result of this budget are we no longer going to be reading stories of people starving to death in this country? Are the low paid and unemployed no longer going to be reliant on either a foodbank or a payday loan company to keep them alive from one payment to the next?. I think the answer is no they have done nothing to address these problems unless you count the cut in bingo tax to encourage the desperate and gullible to gamble what little they have in the hope of coming away with a little more. The cost of petrol is the only thing keeping molitov cocktails from flying on the streets of Britain and that will only discourage the rioters for so long. The Government knows this which is why they want water cannons on our streets and riot police armed with x-12 taser shotguns. I'm sure there will be a few "all right jacks" who will argue the toss with me but I couldn't give a monkeys about those who are doing alright thank you, I'm disgusted by the sheer numbers of people who are not and are having their circumstances worsened by this Nazi like Government's policies.
So tell me this, as a result of this budget are we no longer going to be reading stories of people starving to death in this country? Are the low paid and unemployed no longer going to be reliant on either a foodbank or a payday loan company to keep them alive from one payment to the next?. I think the answer is no they have done nothing to address these problems unless you count the cut in bingo tax to encourage the desperate and gullible to gamble what little they have in the hope of coming away with a little more. The cost of petrol is the only thing keeping molitov cocktails from flying on the streets of Britain and that will only discourage the rioters for so long. The Government knows this which is why they want water cannons on our streets and riot police armed with x-12 taser shotguns. I'm sure there will be a few "all right jacks" who will argue the toss with me but I couldn't give a monkeys about those who are doing alright thank you, I'm disgusted by the sheer numbers of people who are not and are having their circumstances worsened by this Nazi like Government's policies. RollandSmoke
  • Score: -1

6:42pm Wed 19 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

spanglishbull.uk wrote:
Osprey Saint,
I live in Spain.I lived and worked in England until I was 65 years old.I get NO Benefits from the U.K only my basic State pension.I do not return to the U.K. for any medical treatment.I get free medical here as I am an E.U. pensioner paying 10% towards my prescriptions.I am not entitled to any benefits from the Spanish system,which by the way I fully agree with,maybe the U.K could follow suit.You are quite correct,I know plenty of ex pats who return to the U.K. for medicals etc.claim Housing Benefit,Child Allowance,Care Allowance etc,etc,etc.Who is to blame? The G.P.s for one who know their patients live abroad but turn a blind eye to the fact.I know people who receive six months of Prescriptions ,sent by their families,why do the G.P.s do this?I know people with N.H.S dentists in the U.K. who actually ring up from Spain to book an appointment.Why do the Dentists allow this.I will tell you why,the Country is corrupt from top to bottom,that is why.Do not just blame immigration,look closer to home.
Thanks for making that clearer, I bought Travel Insurance when I travelled there recently because I heard that the Spanish were not honouring the Euro Health Insurance Card. Glad I did, but that's another story.
[quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: Osprey Saint, I live in Spain.I lived and worked in England until I was 65 years old.I get NO Benefits from the U.K only my basic State pension.I do not return to the U.K. for any medical treatment.I get free medical here as I am an E.U. pensioner paying 10% towards my prescriptions.I am not entitled to any benefits from the Spanish system,which by the way I fully agree with,maybe the U.K could follow suit.You are quite correct,I know plenty of ex pats who return to the U.K. for medicals etc.claim Housing Benefit,Child Allowance,Care Allowance etc,etc,etc.Who is to blame? The G.P.s for one who know their patients live abroad but turn a blind eye to the fact.I know people who receive six months of Prescriptions ,sent by their families,why do the G.P.s do this?I know people with N.H.S dentists in the U.K. who actually ring up from Spain to book an appointment.Why do the Dentists allow this.I will tell you why,the Country is corrupt from top to bottom,that is why.Do not just blame immigration,look closer to home.[/p][/quote]Thanks for making that clearer, I bought Travel Insurance when I travelled there recently because I heard that the Spanish were not honouring the Euro Health Insurance Card. Glad I did, but that's another story. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

6:54pm Wed 19 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
So tell me this, as a result of this budget are we no longer going to be reading stories of people starving to death in this country? Are the low paid and unemployed no longer going to be reliant on either a foodbank or a payday loan company to keep them alive from one payment to the next?. I think the answer is no they have done nothing to address these problems unless you count the cut in bingo tax to encourage the desperate and gullible to gamble what little they have in the hope of coming away with a little more. The cost of petrol is the only thing keeping molitov cocktails from flying on the streets of Britain and that will only discourage the rioters for so long. The Government knows this which is why they want water cannons on our streets and riot police armed with x-12 taser shotguns. I'm sure there will be a few "all right jacks" who will argue the toss with me but I couldn't give a monkeys about those who are doing alright thank you, I'm disgusted by the sheer numbers of people who are not and are having their circumstances worsened by this Nazi like Government's policies.
I see where you are coming from, but this is a bit OTT, what exactly have you as an individual ever done to rectify the situation other than writing about it on a web site?
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: So tell me this, as a result of this budget are we no longer going to be reading stories of people starving to death in this country? Are the low paid and unemployed no longer going to be reliant on either a foodbank or a payday loan company to keep them alive from one payment to the next?. I think the answer is no they have done nothing to address these problems unless you count the cut in bingo tax to encourage the desperate and gullible to gamble what little they have in the hope of coming away with a little more. The cost of petrol is the only thing keeping molitov cocktails from flying on the streets of Britain and that will only discourage the rioters for so long. The Government knows this which is why they want water cannons on our streets and riot police armed with x-12 taser shotguns. I'm sure there will be a few "all right jacks" who will argue the toss with me but I couldn't give a monkeys about those who are doing alright thank you, I'm disgusted by the sheer numbers of people who are not and are having their circumstances worsened by this Nazi like Government's policies.[/p][/quote]I see where you are coming from, but this is a bit OTT, what exactly have you as an individual ever done to rectify the situation other than writing about it on a web site? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

6:59pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Bantambhoy says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
MartinB58 wrote:
This budget is a whole load of nothingness for the average worker with a mortgage and a family to feed. Once living costs (without luxuries) have been paid there is already nothing left to save. Let alone going to the pub for a cheaper pint or playing bingo with.
Spot on.
Every taxpayer will benefit! Are they not average workers?
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MartinB58[/bold] wrote: This budget is a whole load of nothingness for the average worker with a mortgage and a family to feed. Once living costs (without luxuries) have been paid there is already nothing left to save. Let alone going to the pub for a cheaper pint or playing bingo with.[/p][/quote]Spot on.[/p][/quote]Every taxpayer will benefit! Are they not average workers? Bantambhoy
  • Score: -2

7:00pm Wed 19 Mar 14

fredaj says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
MartinB58 wrote:
This budget is a whole load of nothingness for the average worker with a mortgage and a family to feed. Once living costs (without luxuries) have been paid there is already nothing left to save. Let alone going to the pub for a cheaper pint or playing bingo with.
Spot on.
The average family with a mortgage seems to be able to afford multiple cars, holidays, smart phones and piles of convenience food so don't tell me that they do not have money to save.

It's all about choices and priorities.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MartinB58[/bold] wrote: This budget is a whole load of nothingness for the average worker with a mortgage and a family to feed. Once living costs (without luxuries) have been paid there is already nothing left to save. Let alone going to the pub for a cheaper pint or playing bingo with.[/p][/quote]Spot on.[/p][/quote]The average family with a mortgage seems to be able to afford multiple cars, holidays, smart phones and piles of convenience food so don't tell me that they do not have money to save. It's all about choices and priorities. fredaj
  • Score: 2

7:04pm Wed 19 Mar 14

fredaj says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
So tell me this, as a result of this budget are we no longer going to be reading stories of people starving to death in this country? Are the low paid and unemployed no longer going to be reliant on either a foodbank or a payday loan company to keep them alive from one payment to the next?. I think the answer is no they have done nothing to address these problems unless you count the cut in bingo tax to encourage the desperate and gullible to gamble what little they have in the hope of coming away with a little more. The cost of petrol is the only thing keeping molitov cocktails from flying on the streets of Britain and that will only discourage the rioters for so long. The Government knows this which is why they want water cannons on our streets and riot police armed with x-12 taser shotguns. I'm sure there will be a few "all right jacks" who will argue the toss with me but I couldn't give a monkeys about those who are doing alright thank you, I'm disgusted by the sheer numbers of people who are not and are having their circumstances worsened by this Nazi like Government's policies.
When was the last time you read a story about someone staving to death in the country?

50 years ago?

So stop writing nonsense.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: So tell me this, as a result of this budget are we no longer going to be reading stories of people starving to death in this country? Are the low paid and unemployed no longer going to be reliant on either a foodbank or a payday loan company to keep them alive from one payment to the next?. I think the answer is no they have done nothing to address these problems unless you count the cut in bingo tax to encourage the desperate and gullible to gamble what little they have in the hope of coming away with a little more. The cost of petrol is the only thing keeping molitov cocktails from flying on the streets of Britain and that will only discourage the rioters for so long. The Government knows this which is why they want water cannons on our streets and riot police armed with x-12 taser shotguns. I'm sure there will be a few "all right jacks" who will argue the toss with me but I couldn't give a monkeys about those who are doing alright thank you, I'm disgusted by the sheer numbers of people who are not and are having their circumstances worsened by this Nazi like Government's policies.[/p][/quote]When was the last time you read a story about someone staving to death in the country? 50 years ago? So stop writing nonsense. fredaj
  • Score: 4

7:07pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Bantambhoy says...

collos25 wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
George Osborne is a genius, this is how a country should be run. I hope we never go back to boom and bust again.
Have you any idea he has had to borrow to give to the rich of this land if your a pensioner or someone who earns less than 30k a year your about to get shafted.
I don't know where your coming from, I'm pensioner,,I earn less than £30k a year and I consider this a good budget for me! I will be paying less tax and will be able to earn more on my savings!
[quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: George Osborne is a genius, this is how a country should be run. I hope we never go back to boom and bust again.[/p][/quote]Have you any idea he has had to borrow to give to the rich of this land if your a pensioner or someone who earns less than 30k a year your about to get shafted.[/p][/quote]I don't know where your coming from, I'm pensioner,,I earn less than £30k a year and I consider this a good budget for me! I will be paying less tax and will be able to earn more on my savings! Bantambhoy
  • Score: -3

7:07pm Wed 19 Mar 14

RollandSmoke says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
So tell me this, as a result of this budget are we no longer going to be reading stories of people starving to death in this country? Are the low paid and unemployed no longer going to be reliant on either a foodbank or a payday loan company to keep them alive from one payment to the next?. I think the answer is no they have done nothing to address these problems unless you count the cut in bingo tax to encourage the desperate and gullible to gamble what little they have in the hope of coming away with a little more. The cost of petrol is the only thing keeping molitov cocktails from flying on the streets of Britain and that will only discourage the rioters for so long. The Government knows this which is why they want water cannons on our streets and riot police armed with x-12 taser shotguns. I'm sure there will be a few "all right jacks" who will argue the toss with me but I couldn't give a monkeys about those who are doing alright thank you, I'm disgusted by the sheer numbers of people who are not and are having their circumstances worsened by this Nazi like Government's policies.
I see where you are coming from, but this is a bit OTT, what exactly have you as an individual ever done to rectify the situation other than writing about it on a web site?
What would you suggest? I am not in any position to influence political decisions in any way other than by making my thoughts known. I cannot work due to health problems and no amount of financial blackmail to get me to work for a pittance is going to improve my health, if anything it worsens it. Between 2011-2012 10,600 people died within 6 weeks of being found fit for work by the government appointed assessors. After this they have refused to publish figures. Some may call this incompetence others may call it genocide but I would presume that as the previous government appointed the assessors figures will exist so as to compare to see whether it is the assessor at fault and not the government policies that explain these deaths?.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: So tell me this, as a result of this budget are we no longer going to be reading stories of people starving to death in this country? Are the low paid and unemployed no longer going to be reliant on either a foodbank or a payday loan company to keep them alive from one payment to the next?. I think the answer is no they have done nothing to address these problems unless you count the cut in bingo tax to encourage the desperate and gullible to gamble what little they have in the hope of coming away with a little more. The cost of petrol is the only thing keeping molitov cocktails from flying on the streets of Britain and that will only discourage the rioters for so long. The Government knows this which is why they want water cannons on our streets and riot police armed with x-12 taser shotguns. I'm sure there will be a few "all right jacks" who will argue the toss with me but I couldn't give a monkeys about those who are doing alright thank you, I'm disgusted by the sheer numbers of people who are not and are having their circumstances worsened by this Nazi like Government's policies.[/p][/quote]I see where you are coming from, but this is a bit OTT, what exactly have you as an individual ever done to rectify the situation other than writing about it on a web site?[/p][/quote]What would you suggest? I am not in any position to influence political decisions in any way other than by making my thoughts known. I cannot work due to health problems and no amount of financial blackmail to get me to work for a pittance is going to improve my health, if anything it worsens it. Between 2011-2012 10,600 people died within 6 weeks of being found fit for work by the government appointed assessors. After this they have refused to publish figures. Some may call this incompetence others may call it genocide but I would presume that as the previous government appointed the assessors figures will exist so as to compare to see whether it is the assessor at fault and not the government policies that explain these deaths?. RollandSmoke
  • Score: -4

7:12pm Wed 19 Mar 14

RollandSmoke says...

fredaj wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
So tell me this, as a result of this budget are we no longer going to be reading stories of people starving to death in this country? Are the low paid and unemployed no longer going to be reliant on either a foodbank or a payday loan company to keep them alive from one payment to the next?. I think the answer is no they have done nothing to address these problems unless you count the cut in bingo tax to encourage the desperate and gullible to gamble what little they have in the hope of coming away with a little more. The cost of petrol is the only thing keeping molitov cocktails from flying on the streets of Britain and that will only discourage the rioters for so long. The Government knows this which is why they want water cannons on our streets and riot police armed with x-12 taser shotguns. I'm sure there will be a few "all right jacks" who will argue the toss with me but I couldn't give a monkeys about those who are doing alright thank you, I'm disgusted by the sheer numbers of people who are not and are having their circumstances worsened by this Nazi like Government's policies.
When was the last time you read a story about someone staving to death in the country?

50 years ago?

So stop writing nonsense.
Here's a couple from the past few months.
http://www.theguardi
an.com/society/2014/
feb/28/man-starved-t
o-death-after-benefi
ts-cut
And here's one from Shipley.
http://www.mirror.co
.uk/news/uk-news/glo
ating-tories-dont-ca
re-people-3022783
[quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: So tell me this, as a result of this budget are we no longer going to be reading stories of people starving to death in this country? Are the low paid and unemployed no longer going to be reliant on either a foodbank or a payday loan company to keep them alive from one payment to the next?. I think the answer is no they have done nothing to address these problems unless you count the cut in bingo tax to encourage the desperate and gullible to gamble what little they have in the hope of coming away with a little more. The cost of petrol is the only thing keeping molitov cocktails from flying on the streets of Britain and that will only discourage the rioters for so long. The Government knows this which is why they want water cannons on our streets and riot police armed with x-12 taser shotguns. I'm sure there will be a few "all right jacks" who will argue the toss with me but I couldn't give a monkeys about those who are doing alright thank you, I'm disgusted by the sheer numbers of people who are not and are having their circumstances worsened by this Nazi like Government's policies.[/p][/quote]When was the last time you read a story about someone staving to death in the country? 50 years ago? So stop writing nonsense.[/p][/quote]Here's a couple from the past few months. http://www.theguardi an.com/society/2014/ feb/28/man-starved-t o-death-after-benefi ts-cut And here's one from Shipley. http://www.mirror.co .uk/news/uk-news/glo ating-tories-dont-ca re-people-3022783 RollandSmoke
  • Score: -3

7:23pm Wed 19 Mar 14

stickmanny says...

fredaj wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
MartinB58 wrote:
This budget is a whole load of nothingness for the average worker with a mortgage and a family to feed. Once living costs (without luxuries) have been paid there is already nothing left to save. Let alone going to the pub for a cheaper pint or playing bingo with.
Spot on.
The average family with a mortgage seems to be able to afford multiple cars, holidays, smart phones and piles of convenience food so don't tell me that they do not have money to save.

It's all about choices and priorities.
Issue is that saving in this country is a rip-off, has been for generations. No wonder people don't bother. Those lucky enough to own a house will rely on that as their investment. it will stay this way until someone actually offers a decent deal to hold onto a pile of savings for 40 years, rather than the norm which is to take it all in fees leaving a pittance. if Gideon pulls it then hats off. I doubt it though.
[quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MartinB58[/bold] wrote: This budget is a whole load of nothingness for the average worker with a mortgage and a family to feed. Once living costs (without luxuries) have been paid there is already nothing left to save. Let alone going to the pub for a cheaper pint or playing bingo with.[/p][/quote]Spot on.[/p][/quote]The average family with a mortgage seems to be able to afford multiple cars, holidays, smart phones and piles of convenience food so don't tell me that they do not have money to save. It's all about choices and priorities.[/p][/quote]Issue is that saving in this country is a rip-off, has been for generations. No wonder people don't bother. Those lucky enough to own a house will rely on that as their investment. it will stay this way until someone actually offers a decent deal to hold onto a pile of savings for 40 years, rather than the norm which is to take it all in fees leaving a pittance. if Gideon pulls it then hats off. I doubt it though. stickmanny
  • Score: 3

7:39pm Wed 19 Mar 14

boltonchap says...

Love it. All of it.
Love it. All of it. boltonchap
  • Score: 0

7:45pm Wed 19 Mar 14

boltonchap says...

Where's BWFC71?
Where's BWFC71? boltonchap
  • Score: 1

8:12pm Wed 19 Mar 14

InTheKnowOk says...

Basically the less you have, the better off you are ... end of ....
Basically the less you have, the better off you are ... end of .... InTheKnowOk
  • Score: 2

8:19pm Wed 19 Mar 14

cromwell9 says...

Villagecranberry wrote:
Fags and Booze must go up, people are daring NHS by their reckless indulgences and becoming a drain hogging hospital wards. Great news, as for fuel, in a few years time people will be looking back and commenting that our daft generation were spending £4.00 a gallon of petrol to sit in traffic or crawl along at a snails pace wasting precious resources and time, when it is quicker by bicycle or walking.
Get a ELectric car ,
I have one it never runs out of ELECTRIC.
THE VAUXHALL AMPPERA
[quote][p][bold]Villagecranberry[/bold] wrote: Fags and Booze must go up, people are daring NHS by their reckless indulgences and becoming a drain hogging hospital wards. Great news, as for fuel, in a few years time people will be looking back and commenting that our daft generation were spending £4.00 a gallon of petrol to sit in traffic or crawl along at a snails pace wasting precious resources and time, when it is quicker by bicycle or walking.[/p][/quote]Get a ELectric car , I have one it never runs out of ELECTRIC. THE VAUXHALL AMPPERA cromwell9
  • Score: 0

8:22pm Wed 19 Mar 14

maxell says...

12 sided coin and about 12 mill to change all the slots the coin will fit into right down to super market trollies, it maybe harder to fake the coins but suspect the new slots would look for shape and weight rather that a picture and a finger up on the flip, and what about tossing a coin will that be as easy. Im off to the pub for a pint to save a penny. At least I can be assured that I will save money on a night out, I could save as much as 5p. I dispair.
12 sided coin and about 12 mill to change all the slots the coin will fit into right down to super market trollies, it maybe harder to fake the coins but suspect the new slots would look for shape and weight rather that a picture and a finger up on the flip, and what about tossing a coin will that be as easy. Im off to the pub for a pint to save a penny. At least I can be assured that I will save money on a night out, I could save as much as 5p. I dispair. maxell
  • Score: -1

8:30pm Wed 19 Mar 14

RollandSmoke says...

InTheKnowOk wrote:
Basically the less you have, the better off you are ... end of ....
So if you've got nothing you've cracked it? And if your getting £30,000 and upwards because you may be loosing more money than someone with nothing you are worse off? Do the nurses know you're using the computer?
[quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote: Basically the less you have, the better off you are ... end of ....[/p][/quote]So if you've got nothing you've cracked it? And if your getting £30,000 and upwards because you may be loosing more money than someone with nothing you are worse off? Do the nurses know you're using the computer? RollandSmoke
  • Score: -3

8:33pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Bantambhoy says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
So tell me this, as a result of this budget are we no longer going to be reading stories of people starving to death in this country? Are the low paid and unemployed no longer going to be reliant on either a foodbank or a payday loan company to keep them alive from one payment to the next?. I think the answer is no they have done nothing to address these problems unless you count the cut in bingo tax to encourage the desperate and gullible to gamble what little they have in the hope of coming away with a little more. The cost of petrol is the only thing keeping molitov cocktails from flying on the streets of Britain and that will only discourage the rioters for so long. The Government knows this which is why they want water cannons on our streets and riot police armed with x-12 taser shotguns. I'm sure there will be a few "all right jacks" who will argue the toss with me but I couldn't give a monkeys about those who are doing alright thank you, I'm disgusted by the sheer numbers of people who are not and are having their circumstances worsened by this Nazi like Government's policies.
I've said before that I think you need help, I am now quite happy for my taxes to help pay for you to relocate to Sevastopol. You might be happy there?
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: So tell me this, as a result of this budget are we no longer going to be reading stories of people starving to death in this country? Are the low paid and unemployed no longer going to be reliant on either a foodbank or a payday loan company to keep them alive from one payment to the next?. I think the answer is no they have done nothing to address these problems unless you count the cut in bingo tax to encourage the desperate and gullible to gamble what little they have in the hope of coming away with a little more. The cost of petrol is the only thing keeping molitov cocktails from flying on the streets of Britain and that will only discourage the rioters for so long. The Government knows this which is why they want water cannons on our streets and riot police armed with x-12 taser shotguns. I'm sure there will be a few "all right jacks" who will argue the toss with me but I couldn't give a monkeys about those who are doing alright thank you, I'm disgusted by the sheer numbers of people who are not and are having their circumstances worsened by this Nazi like Government's policies.[/p][/quote]I've said before that I think you need help, I am now quite happy for my taxes to help pay for you to relocate to Sevastopol. You might be happy there? Bantambhoy
  • Score: 3

8:35pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Bantambhoy says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
fredaj wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
So tell me this, as a result of this budget are we no longer going to be reading stories of people starving to death in this country? Are the low paid and unemployed no longer going to be reliant on either a foodbank or a payday loan company to keep them alive from one payment to the next?. I think the answer is no they have done nothing to address these problems unless you count the cut in bingo tax to encourage the desperate and gullible to gamble what little they have in the hope of coming away with a little more. The cost of petrol is the only thing keeping molitov cocktails from flying on the streets of Britain and that will only discourage the rioters for so long. The Government knows this which is why they want water cannons on our streets and riot police armed with x-12 taser shotguns. I'm sure there will be a few "all right jacks" who will argue the toss with me but I couldn't give a monkeys about those who are doing alright thank you, I'm disgusted by the sheer numbers of people who are not and are having their circumstances worsened by this Nazi like Government's policies.
When was the last time you read a story about someone staving to death in the country?

50 years ago?

So stop writing nonsense.
Here's a couple from the past few months.
http://www.theguardi

an.com/society/2014/

feb/28/man-starved-t

o-death-after-benefi

ts-cut
And here's one from Shipley.
http://www.mirror.co

.uk/news/uk-news/glo

ating-tories-dont-ca

re-people-3022783
The Guardian, the Mirror, hmmmmm
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: So tell me this, as a result of this budget are we no longer going to be reading stories of people starving to death in this country? Are the low paid and unemployed no longer going to be reliant on either a foodbank or a payday loan company to keep them alive from one payment to the next?. I think the answer is no they have done nothing to address these problems unless you count the cut in bingo tax to encourage the desperate and gullible to gamble what little they have in the hope of coming away with a little more. The cost of petrol is the only thing keeping molitov cocktails from flying on the streets of Britain and that will only discourage the rioters for so long. The Government knows this which is why they want water cannons on our streets and riot police armed with x-12 taser shotguns. I'm sure there will be a few "all right jacks" who will argue the toss with me but I couldn't give a monkeys about those who are doing alright thank you, I'm disgusted by the sheer numbers of people who are not and are having their circumstances worsened by this Nazi like Government's policies.[/p][/quote]When was the last time you read a story about someone staving to death in the country? 50 years ago? So stop writing nonsense.[/p][/quote]Here's a couple from the past few months. http://www.theguardi an.com/society/2014/ feb/28/man-starved-t o-death-after-benefi ts-cut And here's one from Shipley. http://www.mirror.co .uk/news/uk-news/glo ating-tories-dont-ca re-people-3022783[/p][/quote]The Guardian, the Mirror, hmmmmm Bantambhoy
  • Score: 1

8:36pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Indigenous UK Pensioner. says...

Who let all the norverners on ere today. I never new they could reed up there never mind right two.

THAnK YoU
Who let all the norverners on ere today. I never new they could reed up there never mind right two. THAnK YoU Indigenous UK Pensioner.
  • Score: -18

8:41pm Wed 19 Mar 14

RollandSmoke says...

Bantambhoy wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
So tell me this, as a result of this budget are we no longer going to be reading stories of people starving to death in this country? Are the low paid and unemployed no longer going to be reliant on either a foodbank or a payday loan company to keep them alive from one payment to the next?. I think the answer is no they have done nothing to address these problems unless you count the cut in bingo tax to encourage the desperate and gullible to gamble what little they have in the hope of coming away with a little more. The cost of petrol is the only thing keeping molitov cocktails from flying on the streets of Britain and that will only discourage the rioters for so long. The Government knows this which is why they want water cannons on our streets and riot police armed with x-12 taser shotguns. I'm sure there will be a few "all right jacks" who will argue the toss with me but I couldn't give a monkeys about those who are doing alright thank you, I'm disgusted by the sheer numbers of people who are not and are having their circumstances worsened by this Nazi like Government's policies.
I've said before that I think you need help, I am now quite happy for my taxes to help pay for you to relocate to Sevastopol. You might be happy there?
That's very kind of you but I've lived here all my life and my family is here. I don't disagree that I could use some help as could millions like me up and down the country but one things for sure we wont get any from this government and there will be people like yourself laughing as we suffer. You're Scum Bhoy.
[quote][p][bold]Bantambhoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: So tell me this, as a result of this budget are we no longer going to be reading stories of people starving to death in this country? Are the low paid and unemployed no longer going to be reliant on either a foodbank or a payday loan company to keep them alive from one payment to the next?. I think the answer is no they have done nothing to address these problems unless you count the cut in bingo tax to encourage the desperate and gullible to gamble what little they have in the hope of coming away with a little more. The cost of petrol is the only thing keeping molitov cocktails from flying on the streets of Britain and that will only discourage the rioters for so long. The Government knows this which is why they want water cannons on our streets and riot police armed with x-12 taser shotguns. I'm sure there will be a few "all right jacks" who will argue the toss with me but I couldn't give a monkeys about those who are doing alright thank you, I'm disgusted by the sheer numbers of people who are not and are having their circumstances worsened by this Nazi like Government's policies.[/p][/quote]I've said before that I think you need help, I am now quite happy for my taxes to help pay for you to relocate to Sevastopol. You might be happy there?[/p][/quote]That's very kind of you but I've lived here all my life and my family is here. I don't disagree that I could use some help as could millions like me up and down the country but one things for sure we wont get any from this government and there will be people like yourself laughing as we suffer. You're Scum Bhoy. RollandSmoke
  • Score: -14

8:42pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Bantambhoy says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
So tell me this, as a result of this budget are we no longer going to be reading stories of people starving to death in this country? Are the low paid and unemployed no longer going to be reliant on either a foodbank or a payday loan company to keep them alive from one payment to the next?. I think the answer is no they have done nothing to address these problems unless you count the cut in bingo tax to encourage the desperate and gullible to gamble what little they have in the hope of coming away with a little more. The cost of petrol is the only thing keeping molitov cocktails from flying on the streets of Britain and that will only discourage the rioters for so long. The Government knows this which is why they want water cannons on our streets and riot police armed with x-12 taser shotguns. I'm sure there will be a few "all right jacks" who will argue the toss with me but I couldn't give a monkeys about those who are doing alright thank you, I'm disgusted by the sheer numbers of people who are not and are having their circumstances worsened by this Nazi like Government's policies.
I see where you are coming from, but this is a bit OTT, what exactly have you as an individual ever done to rectify the situation other than writing about it on a web site?
What would you suggest? I am not in any position to influence political decisions in any way other than by making my thoughts known. I cannot work due to health problems and no amount of financial blackmail to get me to work for a pittance is going to improve my health, if anything it worsens it. Between 2011-2012 10,600 people died within 6 weeks of being found fit for work by the government appointed assessors. After this they have refused to publish figures. Some may call this incompetence others may call it genocide but I would presume that as the previous government appointed the assessors figures will exist so as to compare to see whether it is the assessor at fault and not the government policies that explain these deaths?.
All these 'facts' have been brought up in Parliament by your party demanding that they be debated as a matter of urgency? I don't think so. Your usual left wing drivel.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: So tell me this, as a result of this budget are we no longer going to be reading stories of people starving to death in this country? Are the low paid and unemployed no longer going to be reliant on either a foodbank or a payday loan company to keep them alive from one payment to the next?. I think the answer is no they have done nothing to address these problems unless you count the cut in bingo tax to encourage the desperate and gullible to gamble what little they have in the hope of coming away with a little more. The cost of petrol is the only thing keeping molitov cocktails from flying on the streets of Britain and that will only discourage the rioters for so long. The Government knows this which is why they want water cannons on our streets and riot police armed with x-12 taser shotguns. I'm sure there will be a few "all right jacks" who will argue the toss with me but I couldn't give a monkeys about those who are doing alright thank you, I'm disgusted by the sheer numbers of people who are not and are having their circumstances worsened by this Nazi like Government's policies.[/p][/quote]I see where you are coming from, but this is a bit OTT, what exactly have you as an individual ever done to rectify the situation other than writing about it on a web site?[/p][/quote]What would you suggest? I am not in any position to influence political decisions in any way other than by making my thoughts known. I cannot work due to health problems and no amount of financial blackmail to get me to work for a pittance is going to improve my health, if anything it worsens it. Between 2011-2012 10,600 people died within 6 weeks of being found fit for work by the government appointed assessors. After this they have refused to publish figures. Some may call this incompetence others may call it genocide but I would presume that as the previous government appointed the assessors figures will exist so as to compare to see whether it is the assessor at fault and not the government policies that explain these deaths?.[/p][/quote]All these 'facts' have been brought up in Parliament by your party demanding that they be debated as a matter of urgency? I don't think so. Your usual left wing drivel. Bantambhoy
  • Score: 10

8:46pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Bantambhoy says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Bantambhoy wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
So tell me this, as a result of this budget are we no longer going to be reading stories of people starving to death in this country? Are the low paid and unemployed no longer going to be reliant on either a foodbank or a payday loan company to keep them alive from one payment to the next?. I think the answer is no they have done nothing to address these problems unless you count the cut in bingo tax to encourage the desperate and gullible to gamble what little they have in the hope of coming away with a little more. The cost of petrol is the only thing keeping molitov cocktails from flying on the streets of Britain and that will only discourage the rioters for so long. The Government knows this which is why they want water cannons on our streets and riot police armed with x-12 taser shotguns. I'm sure there will be a few "all right jacks" who will argue the toss with me but I couldn't give a monkeys about those who are doing alright thank you, I'm disgusted by the sheer numbers of people who are not and are having their circumstances worsened by this Nazi like Government's policies.
I've said before that I think you need help, I am now quite happy for my taxes to help pay for you to relocate to Sevastopol. You might be happy there?
That's very kind of you but I've lived here all my life and my family is here. I don't disagree that I could use some help as could millions like me up and down the country but one things for sure we wont get any from this government and there will be people like yourself laughing as we suffer. You're Scum Bhoy.
Resorting to insults, typical.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bantambhoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: So tell me this, as a result of this budget are we no longer going to be reading stories of people starving to death in this country? Are the low paid and unemployed no longer going to be reliant on either a foodbank or a payday loan company to keep them alive from one payment to the next?. I think the answer is no they have done nothing to address these problems unless you count the cut in bingo tax to encourage the desperate and gullible to gamble what little they have in the hope of coming away with a little more. The cost of petrol is the only thing keeping molitov cocktails from flying on the streets of Britain and that will only discourage the rioters for so long. The Government knows this which is why they want water cannons on our streets and riot police armed with x-12 taser shotguns. I'm sure there will be a few "all right jacks" who will argue the toss with me but I couldn't give a monkeys about those who are doing alright thank you, I'm disgusted by the sheer numbers of people who are not and are having their circumstances worsened by this Nazi like Government's policies.[/p][/quote]I've said before that I think you need help, I am now quite happy for my taxes to help pay for you to relocate to Sevastopol. You might be happy there?[/p][/quote]That's very kind of you but I've lived here all my life and my family is here. I don't disagree that I could use some help as could millions like me up and down the country but one things for sure we wont get any from this government and there will be people like yourself laughing as we suffer. You're Scum Bhoy.[/p][/quote]Resorting to insults, typical. Bantambhoy
  • Score: 5

8:48pm Wed 19 Mar 14

ksmain says...

cromwell9 wrote:
Villagecranberry wrote:
Fags and Booze must go up, people are daring NHS by their reckless indulgences and becoming a drain hogging hospital wards. Great news, as for fuel, in a few years time people will be looking back and commenting that our daft generation were spending £4.00 a gallon of petrol to sit in traffic or crawl along at a snails pace wasting precious resources and time, when it is quicker by bicycle or walking.
Get a ELectric car ,
I have one it never runs out of ELECTRIC.
THE VAUXHALL AMPPERA
Ok 'Villagecranberry' - why not slap a heavier tax on food - so that fat people don't become a drain on NHS resources - I mean how much money is being wasted on Bariatric Surgery on people who can't control their weight? Or a massive tax on Plastic Surgery - to stop the strain on the NHS correcting those who do it for cosmetic lifestyle reasons coming back to the NHS when it goes wrong.

I agree with the fags and booze - but there are many other drains on NHS Resources other than fags or booze.
[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Villagecranberry[/bold] wrote: Fags and Booze must go up, people are daring NHS by their reckless indulgences and becoming a drain hogging hospital wards. Great news, as for fuel, in a few years time people will be looking back and commenting that our daft generation were spending £4.00 a gallon of petrol to sit in traffic or crawl along at a snails pace wasting precious resources and time, when it is quicker by bicycle or walking.[/p][/quote]Get a ELectric car , I have one it never runs out of ELECTRIC. THE VAUXHALL AMPPERA[/p][/quote]Ok 'Villagecranberry' - why not slap a heavier tax on food - so that fat people don't become a drain on NHS resources - I mean how much money is being wasted on Bariatric Surgery on people who can't control their weight? Or a massive tax on Plastic Surgery - to stop the strain on the NHS correcting those who do it for cosmetic lifestyle reasons coming back to the NHS when it goes wrong. I agree with the fags and booze - but there are many other drains on NHS Resources other than fags or booze. ksmain
  • Score: 0

8:48pm Wed 19 Mar 14

RollandSmoke says...

Bantambhoy wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
So tell me this, as a result of this budget are we no longer going to be reading stories of people starving to death in this country? Are the low paid and unemployed no longer going to be reliant on either a foodbank or a payday loan company to keep them alive from one payment to the next?. I think the answer is no they have done nothing to address these problems unless you count the cut in bingo tax to encourage the desperate and gullible to gamble what little they have in the hope of coming away with a little more. The cost of petrol is the only thing keeping molitov cocktails from flying on the streets of Britain and that will only discourage the rioters for so long. The Government knows this which is why they want water cannons on our streets and riot police armed with x-12 taser shotguns. I'm sure there will be a few "all right jacks" who will argue the toss with me but I couldn't give a monkeys about those who are doing alright thank you, I'm disgusted by the sheer numbers of people who are not and are having their circumstances worsened by this Nazi like Government's policies.
I see where you are coming from, but this is a bit OTT, what exactly have you as an individual ever done to rectify the situation other than writing about it on a web site?
What would you suggest? I am not in any position to influence political decisions in any way other than by making my thoughts known. I cannot work due to health problems and no amount of financial blackmail to get me to work for a pittance is going to improve my health, if anything it worsens it. Between 2011-2012 10,600 people died within 6 weeks of being found fit for work by the government appointed assessors. After this they have refused to publish figures. Some may call this incompetence others may call it genocide but I would presume that as the previous government appointed the assessors figures will exist so as to compare to see whether it is the assessor at fault and not the government policies that explain these deaths?.
All these 'facts' have been brought up in Parliament by your party demanding that they be debated as a matter of urgency? I don't think so. Your usual left wing drivel.
I don't have a party. I'm not stupid enough to believe that there is too much difference between them. We've had Thatcherite policies who ever's been the puppets fronting it. I'm a socialist. Can you remember what that means? If so could you explain it to the Labour party?
[quote][p][bold]Bantambhoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: So tell me this, as a result of this budget are we no longer going to be reading stories of people starving to death in this country? Are the low paid and unemployed no longer going to be reliant on either a foodbank or a payday loan company to keep them alive from one payment to the next?. I think the answer is no they have done nothing to address these problems unless you count the cut in bingo tax to encourage the desperate and gullible to gamble what little they have in the hope of coming away with a little more. The cost of petrol is the only thing keeping molitov cocktails from flying on the streets of Britain and that will only discourage the rioters for so long. The Government knows this which is why they want water cannons on our streets and riot police armed with x-12 taser shotguns. I'm sure there will be a few "all right jacks" who will argue the toss with me but I couldn't give a monkeys about those who are doing alright thank you, I'm disgusted by the sheer numbers of people who are not and are having their circumstances worsened by this Nazi like Government's policies.[/p][/quote]I see where you are coming from, but this is a bit OTT, what exactly have you as an individual ever done to rectify the situation other than writing about it on a web site?[/p][/quote]What would you suggest? I am not in any position to influence political decisions in any way other than by making my thoughts known. I cannot work due to health problems and no amount of financial blackmail to get me to work for a pittance is going to improve my health, if anything it worsens it. Between 2011-2012 10,600 people died within 6 weeks of being found fit for work by the government appointed assessors. After this they have refused to publish figures. Some may call this incompetence others may call it genocide but I would presume that as the previous government appointed the assessors figures will exist so as to compare to see whether it is the assessor at fault and not the government policies that explain these deaths?.[/p][/quote]All these 'facts' have been brought up in Parliament by your party demanding that they be debated as a matter of urgency? I don't think so. Your usual left wing drivel.[/p][/quote]I don't have a party. I'm not stupid enough to believe that there is too much difference between them. We've had Thatcherite policies who ever's been the puppets fronting it. I'm a socialist. Can you remember what that means? If so could you explain it to the Labour party? RollandSmoke
  • Score: -15

8:50pm Wed 19 Mar 14

RollandSmoke says...

Bantambhoy wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
fredaj wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
So tell me this, as a result of this budget are we no longer going to be reading stories of people starving to death in this country? Are the low paid and unemployed no longer going to be reliant on either a foodbank or a payday loan company to keep them alive from one payment to the next?. I think the answer is no they have done nothing to address these problems unless you count the cut in bingo tax to encourage the desperate and gullible to gamble what little they have in the hope of coming away with a little more. The cost of petrol is the only thing keeping molitov cocktails from flying on the streets of Britain and that will only discourage the rioters for so long. The Government knows this which is why they want water cannons on our streets and riot police armed with x-12 taser shotguns. I'm sure there will be a few "all right jacks" who will argue the toss with me but I couldn't give a monkeys about those who are doing alright thank you, I'm disgusted by the sheer numbers of people who are not and are having their circumstances worsened by this Nazi like Government's policies.
When was the last time you read a story about someone staving to death in the country?

50 years ago?

So stop writing nonsense.
Here's a couple from the past few months.
http://www.theguardi


an.com/society/2014/


feb/28/man-starved-t


o-death-after-benefi


ts-cut
And here's one from Shipley.
http://www.mirror.co


.uk/news/uk-news/glo


ating-tories-dont-ca


re-people-3022783
The Guardian, the Mirror, hmmmmm
Did the Daily Mail not cover it? How strange, it's not like them to align themselves to any dodgy ideologies is it?
[quote][p][bold]Bantambhoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: So tell me this, as a result of this budget are we no longer going to be reading stories of people starving to death in this country? Are the low paid and unemployed no longer going to be reliant on either a foodbank or a payday loan company to keep them alive from one payment to the next?. I think the answer is no they have done nothing to address these problems unless you count the cut in bingo tax to encourage the desperate and gullible to gamble what little they have in the hope of coming away with a little more. The cost of petrol is the only thing keeping molitov cocktails from flying on the streets of Britain and that will only discourage the rioters for so long. The Government knows this which is why they want water cannons on our streets and riot police armed with x-12 taser shotguns. I'm sure there will be a few "all right jacks" who will argue the toss with me but I couldn't give a monkeys about those who are doing alright thank you, I'm disgusted by the sheer numbers of people who are not and are having their circumstances worsened by this Nazi like Government's policies.[/p][/quote]When was the last time you read a story about someone staving to death in the country? 50 years ago? So stop writing nonsense.[/p][/quote]Here's a couple from the past few months. http://www.theguardi an.com/society/2014/ feb/28/man-starved-t o-death-after-benefi ts-cut And here's one from Shipley. http://www.mirror.co .uk/news/uk-news/glo ating-tories-dont-ca re-people-3022783[/p][/quote]The Guardian, the Mirror, hmmmmm[/p][/quote]Did the Daily Mail not cover it? How strange, it's not like them to align themselves to any dodgy ideologies is it? RollandSmoke
  • Score: -5

8:59pm Wed 19 Mar 14

RollandSmoke says...

Indigenous UK Pensioner. wrote:
Who let all the norverners on ere today. I never new they could reed up there never mind right two.

THAnK YoU
Some still can but steps are being taken to minimize the problem.
[quote][p][bold]Indigenous UK Pensioner.[/bold] wrote: Who let all the norverners on ere today. I never new they could reed up there never mind right two. THAnK YoU[/p][/quote]Some still can but steps are being taken to minimize the problem. RollandSmoke
  • Score: -5

9:27pm Wed 19 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

maxell wrote:
12 sided coin and about 12 mill to change all the slots the coin will fit into right down to super market trollies, it maybe harder to fake the coins but suspect the new slots would look for shape and weight rather that a picture and a finger up on the flip, and what about tossing a coin will that be as easy. Im off to the pub for a pint to save a penny. At least I can be assured that I will save money on a night out, I could save as much as 5p. I dispair.
It will create some employment anyway, someone will have to modify everything. I too despair mostly about the spelling on here tonight!
[quote][p][bold]maxell[/bold] wrote: 12 sided coin and about 12 mill to change all the slots the coin will fit into right down to super market trollies, it maybe harder to fake the coins but suspect the new slots would look for shape and weight rather that a picture and a finger up on the flip, and what about tossing a coin will that be as easy. Im off to the pub for a pint to save a penny. At least I can be assured that I will save money on a night out, I could save as much as 5p. I dispair.[/p][/quote]It will create some employment anyway, someone will have to modify everything. I too despair mostly about the spelling on here tonight! OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -2

9:30pm Wed 19 Mar 14

RollandSmoke says...

Bantambhoy wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Bantambhoy wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
So tell me this, as a result of this budget are we no longer going to be reading stories of people starving to death in this country? Are the low paid and unemployed no longer going to be reliant on either a foodbank or a payday loan company to keep them alive from one payment to the next?. I think the answer is no they have done nothing to address these problems unless you count the cut in bingo tax to encourage the desperate and gullible to gamble what little they have in the hope of coming away with a little more. The cost of petrol is the only thing keeping molitov cocktails from flying on the streets of Britain and that will only discourage the rioters for so long. The Government knows this which is why they want water cannons on our streets and riot police armed with x-12 taser shotguns. I'm sure there will be a few "all right jacks" who will argue the toss with me but I couldn't give a monkeys about those who are doing alright thank you, I'm disgusted by the sheer numbers of people who are not and are having their circumstances worsened by this Nazi like Government's policies.
I've said before that I think you need help, I am now quite happy for my taxes to help pay for you to relocate to Sevastopol. You might be happy there?
That's very kind of you but I've lived here all my life and my family is here. I don't disagree that I could use some help as could millions like me up and down the country but one things for sure we wont get any from this government and there will be people like yourself laughing as we suffer. You're Scum Bhoy.
Resorting to insults, typical.
As a fellow Bradfordian with a little knowledge of the history of the place I find the fact that your user name associates you with the City insulting but there you go.
[quote][p][bold]Bantambhoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bantambhoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: So tell me this, as a result of this budget are we no longer going to be reading stories of people starving to death in this country? Are the low paid and unemployed no longer going to be reliant on either a foodbank or a payday loan company to keep them alive from one payment to the next?. I think the answer is no they have done nothing to address these problems unless you count the cut in bingo tax to encourage the desperate and gullible to gamble what little they have in the hope of coming away with a little more. The cost of petrol is the only thing keeping molitov cocktails from flying on the streets of Britain and that will only discourage the rioters for so long. The Government knows this which is why they want water cannons on our streets and riot police armed with x-12 taser shotguns. I'm sure there will be a few "all right jacks" who will argue the toss with me but I couldn't give a monkeys about those who are doing alright thank you, I'm disgusted by the sheer numbers of people who are not and are having their circumstances worsened by this Nazi like Government's policies.[/p][/quote]I've said before that I think you need help, I am now quite happy for my taxes to help pay for you to relocate to Sevastopol. You might be happy there?[/p][/quote]That's very kind of you but I've lived here all my life and my family is here. I don't disagree that I could use some help as could millions like me up and down the country but one things for sure we wont get any from this government and there will be people like yourself laughing as we suffer. You're Scum Bhoy.[/p][/quote]Resorting to insults, typical.[/p][/quote]As a fellow Bradfordian with a little knowledge of the history of the place I find the fact that your user name associates you with the City insulting but there you go. RollandSmoke
  • Score: -5

9:33pm Wed 19 Mar 14

InTheKnowOk says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
InTheKnowOk wrote:
Basically the less you have, the better off you are ... end of ....
So if you've got nothing you've cracked it? And if your getting £30,000 and upwards because you may be loosing more money than someone with nothing you are worse off? Do the nurses know you're using the computer?
Of course you are better off, the less you have the more benefits you get, which includes free eye checks, free prescriptions, free dental checks, Council tax reduction, reduced rent, help with University fees, even help with funeral costs for your partner, the list is endless ...
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote: Basically the less you have, the better off you are ... end of ....[/p][/quote]So if you've got nothing you've cracked it? And if your getting £30,000 and upwards because you may be loosing more money than someone with nothing you are worse off? Do the nurses know you're using the computer?[/p][/quote]Of course you are better off, the less you have the more benefits you get, which includes free eye checks, free prescriptions, free dental checks, Council tax reduction, reduced rent, help with University fees, even help with funeral costs for your partner, the list is endless ... InTheKnowOk
  • Score: 2

9:34pm Wed 19 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
So tell me this, as a result of this budget are we no longer going to be reading stories of people starving to death in this country? Are the low paid and unemployed no longer going to be reliant on either a foodbank or a payday loan company to keep them alive from one payment to the next?. I think the answer is no they have done nothing to address these problems unless you count the cut in bingo tax to encourage the desperate and gullible to gamble what little they have in the hope of coming away with a little more. The cost of petrol is the only thing keeping molitov cocktails from flying on the streets of Britain and that will only discourage the rioters for so long. The Government knows this which is why they want water cannons on our streets and riot police armed with x-12 taser shotguns. I'm sure there will be a few "all right jacks" who will argue the toss with me but I couldn't give a monkeys about those who are doing alright thank you, I'm disgusted by the sheer numbers of people who are not and are having their circumstances worsened by this Nazi like Government's policies.
I see where you are coming from, but this is a bit OTT, what exactly have you as an individual ever done to rectify the situation other than writing about it on a web site?
What would you suggest? I am not in any position to influence political decisions in any way other than by making my thoughts known. I cannot work due to health problems and no amount of financial blackmail to get me to work for a pittance is going to improve my health, if anything it worsens it. Between 2011-2012 10,600 people died within 6 weeks of being found fit for work by the government appointed assessors. After this they have refused to publish figures. Some may call this incompetence others may call it genocide but I would presume that as the previous government appointed the assessors figures will exist so as to compare to see whether it is the assessor at fault and not the government policies that explain these deaths?.
You seem to be able to operate a computer OK, there is lots you can be doing just sitting there, let your fingers do the talking. I agree there is a lot of unfairness, and incompetence out there, a few lines in the right places could get the ball rolling. It is important not to sit back and rue your rotten luck, time to stand up and be counted. Actions speak louder than words but words can spark action.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: So tell me this, as a result of this budget are we no longer going to be reading stories of people starving to death in this country? Are the low paid and unemployed no longer going to be reliant on either a foodbank or a payday loan company to keep them alive from one payment to the next?. I think the answer is no they have done nothing to address these problems unless you count the cut in bingo tax to encourage the desperate and gullible to gamble what little they have in the hope of coming away with a little more. The cost of petrol is the only thing keeping molitov cocktails from flying on the streets of Britain and that will only discourage the rioters for so long. The Government knows this which is why they want water cannons on our streets and riot police armed with x-12 taser shotguns. I'm sure there will be a few "all right jacks" who will argue the toss with me but I couldn't give a monkeys about those who are doing alright thank you, I'm disgusted by the sheer numbers of people who are not and are having their circumstances worsened by this Nazi like Government's policies.[/p][/quote]I see where you are coming from, but this is a bit OTT, what exactly have you as an individual ever done to rectify the situation other than writing about it on a web site?[/p][/quote]What would you suggest? I am not in any position to influence political decisions in any way other than by making my thoughts known. I cannot work due to health problems and no amount of financial blackmail to get me to work for a pittance is going to improve my health, if anything it worsens it. Between 2011-2012 10,600 people died within 6 weeks of being found fit for work by the government appointed assessors. After this they have refused to publish figures. Some may call this incompetence others may call it genocide but I would presume that as the previous government appointed the assessors figures will exist so as to compare to see whether it is the assessor at fault and not the government policies that explain these deaths?.[/p][/quote]You seem to be able to operate a computer OK, there is lots you can be doing just sitting there, let your fingers do the talking. I agree there is a lot of unfairness, and incompetence out there, a few lines in the right places could get the ball rolling. It is important not to sit back and rue your rotten luck, time to stand up and be counted. Actions speak louder than words but words can spark action. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

9:35pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Indigenous UK Pensioner. says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Indigenous UK Pensioner. wrote:
Who let all the norverners on ere today. I never new they could reed up there never mind right two.

THAnK YoU
Some still can but steps are being taken to minimize the problem.
Youse better get yaselves back up norf now its getting late and they shut the Watford Gap at 10. We don't wanting all you norvern Jesse wandering arund dahn ear wiv us in the dark.

THAnK yoU
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Indigenous UK Pensioner.[/bold] wrote: Who let all the norverners on ere today. I never new they could reed up there never mind right two. THAnK YoU[/p][/quote]Some still can but steps are being taken to minimize the problem.[/p][/quote]Youse better get yaselves back up norf now its getting late and they shut the Watford Gap at 10. We don't wanting all you norvern Jesse wandering arund dahn ear wiv us in the dark. THAnK yoU Indigenous UK Pensioner.
  • Score: -23

9:38pm Wed 19 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

fredaj wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
MartinB58 wrote:
This budget is a whole load of nothingness for the average worker with a mortgage and a family to feed. Once living costs (without luxuries) have been paid there is already nothing left to save. Let alone going to the pub for a cheaper pint or playing bingo with.
Spot on.
The average family with a mortgage seems to be able to afford multiple cars, holidays, smart phones and piles of convenience food so don't tell me that they do not have money to save.

It's all about choices and priorities.
People do have money to save, but low Interest Rates make it a no brainer, better to buy something material and solid at the moment.
[quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MartinB58[/bold] wrote: This budget is a whole load of nothingness for the average worker with a mortgage and a family to feed. Once living costs (without luxuries) have been paid there is already nothing left to save. Let alone going to the pub for a cheaper pint or playing bingo with.[/p][/quote]Spot on.[/p][/quote]The average family with a mortgage seems to be able to afford multiple cars, holidays, smart phones and piles of convenience food so don't tell me that they do not have money to save. It's all about choices and priorities.[/p][/quote]People do have money to save, but low Interest Rates make it a no brainer, better to buy something material and solid at the moment. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

9:41pm Wed 19 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Indigenous UK Pensioner. wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
Indigenous UK Pensioner. wrote:
Who let all the norverners on ere today. I never new they could reed up there never mind right two.

THAnK YoU
Some still can but steps are being taken to minimize the problem.
Youse better get yaselves back up norf now its getting late and they shut the Watford Gap at 10. We don't wanting all you norvern Jesse wandering arund dahn ear wiv us in the dark.

THAnK yoU
Must admit I have never experienced racial discrimination against people that live North of the Thames before, North of Hadrians Wall I can understand, East of the M27 definitely, but this is a bit naff.
[quote][p][bold]Indigenous UK Pensioner.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Indigenous UK Pensioner.[/bold] wrote: Who let all the norverners on ere today. I never new they could reed up there never mind right two. THAnK YoU[/p][/quote]Some still can but steps are being taken to minimize the problem.[/p][/quote]Youse better get yaselves back up norf now its getting late and they shut the Watford Gap at 10. We don't wanting all you norvern Jesse wandering arund dahn ear wiv us in the dark. THAnK yoU[/p][/quote]Must admit I have never experienced racial discrimination against people that live North of the Thames before, North of Hadrians Wall I can understand, East of the M27 definitely, but this is a bit naff. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 6

9:46pm Wed 19 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
Bantambhoy wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
So tell me this, as a result of this budget are we no longer going to be reading stories of people starving to death in this country? Are the low paid and unemployed no longer going to be reliant on either a foodbank or a payday loan company to keep them alive from one payment to the next?. I think the answer is no they have done nothing to address these problems unless you count the cut in bingo tax to encourage the desperate and gullible to gamble what little they have in the hope of coming away with a little more. The cost of petrol is the only thing keeping molitov cocktails from flying on the streets of Britain and that will only discourage the rioters for so long. The Government knows this which is why they want water cannons on our streets and riot police armed with x-12 taser shotguns. I'm sure there will be a few "all right jacks" who will argue the toss with me but I couldn't give a monkeys about those who are doing alright thank you, I'm disgusted by the sheer numbers of people who are not and are having their circumstances worsened by this Nazi like Government's policies.
I see where you are coming from, but this is a bit OTT, what exactly have you as an individual ever done to rectify the situation other than writing about it on a web site?
What would you suggest? I am not in any position to influence political decisions in any way other than by making my thoughts known. I cannot work due to health problems and no amount of financial blackmail to get me to work for a pittance is going to improve my health, if anything it worsens it. Between 2011-2012 10,600 people died within 6 weeks of being found fit for work by the government appointed assessors. After this they have refused to publish figures. Some may call this incompetence others may call it genocide but I would presume that as the previous government appointed the assessors figures will exist so as to compare to see whether it is the assessor at fault and not the government policies that explain these deaths?.
All these 'facts' have been brought up in Parliament by your party demanding that they be debated as a matter of urgency? I don't think so. Your usual left wing drivel.
I don't have a party. I'm not stupid enough to believe that there is too much difference between them. We've had Thatcherite policies who ever's been the puppets fronting it. I'm a socialist. Can you remember what that means? If so could you explain it to the Labour party?
I have no idea what Party to support, New Labour is a definite no, no. UKIP ha, ha no thanks, Perhaps we should resurrect the Whigs?
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bantambhoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: So tell me this, as a result of this budget are we no longer going to be reading stories of people starving to death in this country? Are the low paid and unemployed no longer going to be reliant on either a foodbank or a payday loan company to keep them alive from one payment to the next?. I think the answer is no they have done nothing to address these problems unless you count the cut in bingo tax to encourage the desperate and gullible to gamble what little they have in the hope of coming away with a little more. The cost of petrol is the only thing keeping molitov cocktails from flying on the streets of Britain and that will only discourage the rioters for so long. The Government knows this which is why they want water cannons on our streets and riot police armed with x-12 taser shotguns. I'm sure there will be a few "all right jacks" who will argue the toss with me but I couldn't give a monkeys about those who are doing alright thank you, I'm disgusted by the sheer numbers of people who are not and are having their circumstances worsened by this Nazi like Government's policies.[/p][/quote]I see where you are coming from, but this is a bit OTT, what exactly have you as an individual ever done to rectify the situation other than writing about it on a web site?[/p][/quote]What would you suggest? I am not in any position to influence political decisions in any way other than by making my thoughts known. I cannot work due to health problems and no amount of financial blackmail to get me to work for a pittance is going to improve my health, if anything it worsens it. Between 2011-2012 10,600 people died within 6 weeks of being found fit for work by the government appointed assessors. After this they have refused to publish figures. Some may call this incompetence others may call it genocide but I would presume that as the previous government appointed the assessors figures will exist so as to compare to see whether it is the assessor at fault and not the government policies that explain these deaths?.[/p][/quote]All these 'facts' have been brought up in Parliament by your party demanding that they be debated as a matter of urgency? I don't think so. Your usual left wing drivel.[/p][/quote]I don't have a party. I'm not stupid enough to believe that there is too much difference between them. We've had Thatcherite policies who ever's been the puppets fronting it. I'm a socialist. Can you remember what that means? If so could you explain it to the Labour party?[/p][/quote]I have no idea what Party to support, New Labour is a definite no, no. UKIP ha, ha no thanks, Perhaps we should resurrect the Whigs? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 4

9:48pm Wed 19 Mar 14

RollandSmoke says...

InTheKnowOk wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
InTheKnowOk wrote:
Basically the less you have, the better off you are ... end of ....
So if you've got nothing you've cracked it? And if your getting £30,000 and upwards because you may be loosing more money than someone with nothing you are worse off? Do the nurses know you're using the computer?
Of course you are better off, the less you have the more benefits you get, which includes free eye checks, free prescriptions, free dental checks, Council tax reduction, reduced rent, help with University fees, even help with funeral costs for your partner, the list is endless ...
What if you just want to get from one week to the next what is the minimum amount required to do that? Well before any of the bedroom tax and the 25% reduction in council tax benefit the legal minimum you were deemed to require was more or less what someone on JSA would receive. Now some are paying the bedroom tax and the 25% of their council tax but the amount which was deemed to be just about the legal minimum hasn't changed so how is what they are getting now still deemed the legal minimum or even legal? You may be the sort of person who is constantly going to the doctors or having their eyes checked but it's surely not an everyday thing. If you need a free prescription it would suggest you were not well and you were taking steps to improve the situation.
[quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote: Basically the less you have, the better off you are ... end of ....[/p][/quote]So if you've got nothing you've cracked it? And if your getting £30,000 and upwards because you may be loosing more money than someone with nothing you are worse off? Do the nurses know you're using the computer?[/p][/quote]Of course you are better off, the less you have the more benefits you get, which includes free eye checks, free prescriptions, free dental checks, Council tax reduction, reduced rent, help with University fees, even help with funeral costs for your partner, the list is endless ...[/p][/quote]What if you just want to get from one week to the next what is the minimum amount required to do that? Well before any of the bedroom tax and the 25% reduction in council tax benefit the legal minimum you were deemed to require was more or less what someone on JSA would receive. Now some are paying the bedroom tax and the 25% of their council tax but the amount which was deemed to be just about the legal minimum hasn't changed so how is what they are getting now still deemed the legal minimum or even legal? You may be the sort of person who is constantly going to the doctors or having their eyes checked but it's surely not an everyday thing. If you need a free prescription it would suggest you were not well and you were taking steps to improve the situation. RollandSmoke
  • Score: -5

9:57pm Wed 19 Mar 14

good-gosh says...

There is no doubt that the deficit, economy and employment are all improving and the wealth created will filter down through increased tax receipts to address the shortfalls in welfare.
There is no doubt that the deficit, economy and employment are all improving and the wealth created will filter down through increased tax receipts to address the shortfalls in welfare. good-gosh
  • Score: -3

9:59pm Wed 19 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Just noticed the aeroplane picture used to depict a long haul flight! A short haul easyJet Boeing 737 a type that I don't think they have used since 2011 and hardly relevant in this case.
Just noticed the aeroplane picture used to depict a long haul flight! A short haul easyJet Boeing 737 a type that I don't think they have used since 2011 and hardly relevant in this case. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -4

10:16pm Wed 19 Mar 14

RollandSmoke says...

good-gosh wrote:
There is no doubt that the deficit, economy and employment are all improving and the wealth created will filter down through increased tax receipts to address the shortfalls in welfare.
Is there really? No doubt you say? Whys that, is it because that's what they've told you? Well it must be 100% bang on accurate cos these guys never lie. Have you got an estimated time of arrival for this trickle cos there's a lot of people desperate for every drop they can get. I'm sure it wont be having any knock on effects on the NHS or the crime rates in the mean time but if you could hurry them along. Thanks for that I feel reassured.
[quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: There is no doubt that the deficit, economy and employment are all improving and the wealth created will filter down through increased tax receipts to address the shortfalls in welfare.[/p][/quote]Is there really? No doubt you say? Whys that, is it because that's what they've told you? Well it must be 100% bang on accurate cos these guys never lie. Have you got an estimated time of arrival for this trickle cos there's a lot of people desperate for every drop they can get. I'm sure it wont be having any knock on effects on the NHS or the crime rates in the mean time but if you could hurry them along. Thanks for that I feel reassured. RollandSmoke
  • Score: -3

10:31pm Wed 19 Mar 14

miltonarcher says...

Keep your fingers crossed Ed Balls never gets the keys to number 11 Downing St. Remember the shambles of the Brown years, selling off our gold reserves at the bottom of the market, 10 p tax fiasco, Balls was Browns adviser!
Keep your fingers crossed Ed Balls never gets the keys to number 11 Downing St. Remember the shambles of the Brown years, selling off our gold reserves at the bottom of the market, 10 p tax fiasco, Balls was Browns adviser! miltonarcher
  • Score: 10

10:42pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Iona Ferrari says...

Hyper-Deactive wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
Sanctioning people for 13 weeks, putting people on silly courses (so classed as in education) or making them work voluntary does not reduce unemployment it's called fudging figures!
Keeps 'em off the streets though.
why would you assume that all unemployed people walk the streets every day ?
Indeed, i would assume most of them stay at home smoking weed in front of their 50 inch televisions, venturing out only pick up their large quantity of offspring from the local schools
[quote][p][bold]Hyper-Deactive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: Sanctioning people for 13 weeks, putting people on silly courses (so classed as in education) or making them work voluntary does not reduce unemployment it's called fudging figures![/p][/quote]Keeps 'em off the streets though.[/p][/quote]why would you assume that all unemployed people walk the streets every day ?[/p][/quote]Indeed, i would assume most of them stay at home smoking weed in front of their 50 inch televisions, venturing out only pick up their large quantity of offspring from the local schools Iona Ferrari
  • Score: 4

10:57pm Wed 19 Mar 14

eurogordi says...

spanglishbull.uk wrote:
Osprey Saint,
I live in Spain.I lived and worked in England until I was 65 years old.I get NO Benefits from the U.K only my basic State pension.I do not return to the U.K. for any medical treatment.I get free medical here as I am an E.U. pensioner paying 10% towards my prescriptions.I am not entitled to any benefits from the Spanish system,which by the way I fully agree with,maybe the U.K could follow suit.You are quite correct,I know plenty of ex pats who return to the U.K. for medicals etc.claim Housing Benefit,Child Allowance,Care Allowance etc,etc,etc.Who is to blame? The G.P.s for one who know their patients live abroad but turn a blind eye to the fact.I know people who receive six months of Prescriptions ,sent by their families,why do the G.P.s do this?I know people with N.H.S dentists in the U.K. who actually ring up from Spain to book an appointment.Why do the Dentists allow this.I will tell you why,the Country is corrupt from top to bottom,that is why.Do not just blame immigration,look closer to home.
If you have chosen to live in Spain you should NOT be getting a state pension from the UK. End of.
[quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: Osprey Saint, I live in Spain.I lived and worked in England until I was 65 years old.I get NO Benefits from the U.K only my basic State pension.I do not return to the U.K. for any medical treatment.I get free medical here as I am an E.U. pensioner paying 10% towards my prescriptions.I am not entitled to any benefits from the Spanish system,which by the way I fully agree with,maybe the U.K could follow suit.You are quite correct,I know plenty of ex pats who return to the U.K. for medicals etc.claim Housing Benefit,Child Allowance,Care Allowance etc,etc,etc.Who is to blame? The G.P.s for one who know their patients live abroad but turn a blind eye to the fact.I know people who receive six months of Prescriptions ,sent by their families,why do the G.P.s do this?I know people with N.H.S dentists in the U.K. who actually ring up from Spain to book an appointment.Why do the Dentists allow this.I will tell you why,the Country is corrupt from top to bottom,that is why.Do not just blame immigration,look closer to home.[/p][/quote]If you have chosen to live in Spain you should NOT be getting a state pension from the UK. End of. eurogordi
  • Score: -1

10:58pm Wed 19 Mar 14

RollandSmoke says...

Iona Ferrari wrote:
Hyper-Deactive wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
Sanctioning people for 13 weeks, putting people on silly courses (so classed as in education) or making them work voluntary does not reduce unemployment it's called fudging figures!
Keeps 'em off the streets though.
why would you assume that all unemployed people walk the streets every day ?
Indeed, i would assume most of them stay at home smoking weed in front of their 50 inch televisions, venturing out only pick up their large quantity of offspring from the local schools
There doesn't seem to be many on here fighting their corner despite the government making it more or less essential that they have some form of internet access in order to use the universal jobsmatch site to look at jobs that may or may not exist. Any idea why that is?
[quote][p][bold]Iona Ferrari[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hyper-Deactive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: Sanctioning people for 13 weeks, putting people on silly courses (so classed as in education) or making them work voluntary does not reduce unemployment it's called fudging figures![/p][/quote]Keeps 'em off the streets though.[/p][/quote]why would you assume that all unemployed people walk the streets every day ?[/p][/quote]Indeed, i would assume most of them stay at home smoking weed in front of their 50 inch televisions, venturing out only pick up their large quantity of offspring from the local schools[/p][/quote]There doesn't seem to be many on here fighting their corner despite the government making it more or less essential that they have some form of internet access in order to use the universal jobsmatch site to look at jobs that may or may not exist. Any idea why that is? RollandSmoke
  • Score: -2

11:03pm Wed 19 Mar 14

eurogordi says...

Pensioners should think themselves lucky for what they already have and, if they don't have enough money, then they should have been more prudent during their working lives. This budget has done nothing for the young people of this land who are already demoralised by the lack of apprenticeships and other employment opportunities. I have nothing against pensioners, but they should try and survive on what someone in their twenties has too! Then pensioners really might have something to complain about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pensioners should think themselves lucky for what they already have and, if they don't have enough money, then they should have been more prudent during their working lives. This budget has done nothing for the young people of this land who are already demoralised by the lack of apprenticeships and other employment opportunities. I have nothing against pensioners, but they should try and survive on what someone in their twenties has too! Then pensioners really might have something to complain about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!! eurogordi
  • Score: -5

12:17am Thu 20 Mar 14

Gribbet says...

Surprisingly, given that it's one of the main issues we see the petrolheads getting angry about in the comments, Argus decided not to mention the 200m for repairing potholes under it's summary. Keep em angry?
Surprisingly, given that it's one of the main issues we see the petrolheads getting angry about in the comments, Argus decided not to mention the 200m for repairing potholes under it's summary. Keep em angry? Gribbet
  • Score: -1

12:28am Thu 20 Mar 14

dvl dude says...

Thanks to him if i go down the pub and buy 320 beers i can get one free that's an offer i'm not going to miss out on and why is he showing everyone hes lunchbox
Thanks to him if i go down the pub and buy 320 beers i can get one free that's an offer i'm not going to miss out on and why is he showing everyone hes lunchbox dvl dude
  • Score: -2

1:00am Thu 20 Mar 14

fredaj says...

eurogordi wrote:
Pensioners should think themselves lucky for what they already have and, if they don't have enough money, then they should have been more prudent during their working lives. This budget has done nothing for the young people of this land who are already demoralised by the lack of apprenticeships and other employment opportunities. I have nothing against pensioners, but they should try and survive on what someone in their twenties has too! Then pensioners really might have something to complain about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!
Someone in their twenties has every opportunity to earn money - it is just a question of being bothered, being prepared to start at the bottom, and gaining a skill.
[quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: Pensioners should think themselves lucky for what they already have and, if they don't have enough money, then they should have been more prudent during their working lives. This budget has done nothing for the young people of this land who are already demoralised by the lack of apprenticeships and other employment opportunities. I have nothing against pensioners, but they should try and survive on what someone in their twenties has too! Then pensioners really might have something to complain about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Someone in their twenties has every opportunity to earn money - it is just a question of being bothered, being prepared to start at the bottom, and gaining a skill. fredaj
  • Score: 4

2:17am Thu 20 Mar 14

Magicman! says...

Pander to rich old people and screw the poor... get the votes rolling in from those who always vote every time and look after your own, isn't that right Tories?!
Pander to rich old people and screw the poor... get the votes rolling in from those who always vote every time and look after your own, isn't that right Tories?! Magicman!
  • Score: -1

4:36am Thu 20 Mar 14

skeptik says...

Grant Shapps 'they' like to play bingo - or Housey Housey to MPs claiming housing benefits on a second home. Not going to mock Shapps we need humour in our mundane lives and who better than this clown to provide it.
Grant Shapps 'they' like to play bingo - or Housey Housey to MPs claiming housing benefits on a second home. Not going to mock Shapps we need humour in our mundane lives and who better than this clown to provide it. skeptik
  • Score: 0

7:21am Thu 20 Mar 14

skeptik says...

The world is coming out of recession many are doing much better than we are, domestic politicians claim the credit when this happens but deny it is down to them when they make a mess of it. I shall vote UKIP - they will not win much - but if they can destroy the complacent system that has refused to modernize then it will be a vote well placed.
The world is coming out of recession many are doing much better than we are, domestic politicians claim the credit when this happens but deny it is down to them when they make a mess of it. I shall vote UKIP - they will not win much - but if they can destroy the complacent system that has refused to modernize then it will be a vote well placed. skeptik
  • Score: 1

8:21am Thu 20 Mar 14

skeptik says...

If you wish to read the 'Red Book' - Treasury Budget 2014.
If you wish to read the 'Red Book' - Treasury Budget 2014. skeptik
  • Score: 0

8:56am Thu 20 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

I have just sussed why we are getting this Northern input, the thread is linked to the York Press, Bradford Telegraph and The Argus sites, hence the reference to Bolton, Bradford and other Northern areas.
I have just sussed why we are getting this Northern input, the thread is linked to the York Press, Bradford Telegraph and The Argus sites, hence the reference to Bolton, Bradford and other Northern areas. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

8:58am Thu 20 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

eurogordi wrote:
spanglishbull.uk wrote:
Osprey Saint,
I live in Spain.I lived and worked in England until I was 65 years old.I get NO Benefits from the U.K only my basic State pension.I do not return to the U.K. for any medical treatment.I get free medical here as I am an E.U. pensioner paying 10% towards my prescriptions.I am not entitled to any benefits from the Spanish system,which by the way I fully agree with,maybe the U.K could follow suit.You are quite correct,I know plenty of ex pats who return to the U.K. for medicals etc.claim Housing Benefit,Child Allowance,Care Allowance etc,etc,etc.Who is to blame? The G.P.s for one who know their patients live abroad but turn a blind eye to the fact.I know people who receive six months of Prescriptions ,sent by their families,why do the G.P.s do this?I know people with N.H.S dentists in the U.K. who actually ring up from Spain to book an appointment.Why do the Dentists allow this.I will tell you why,the Country is corrupt from top to bottom,that is why.Do not just blame immigration,look closer to home.
If you have chosen to live in Spain you should NOT be getting a state pension from the UK. End of.
Why not, this person has worked all his life in the UK and paid into the Pension pot, how does moving abroad make any difference?
[quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: Osprey Saint, I live in Spain.I lived and worked in England until I was 65 years old.I get NO Benefits from the U.K only my basic State pension.I do not return to the U.K. for any medical treatment.I get free medical here as I am an E.U. pensioner paying 10% towards my prescriptions.I am not entitled to any benefits from the Spanish system,which by the way I fully agree with,maybe the U.K could follow suit.You are quite correct,I know plenty of ex pats who return to the U.K. for medicals etc.claim Housing Benefit,Child Allowance,Care Allowance etc,etc,etc.Who is to blame? The G.P.s for one who know their patients live abroad but turn a blind eye to the fact.I know people who receive six months of Prescriptions ,sent by their families,why do the G.P.s do this?I know people with N.H.S dentists in the U.K. who actually ring up from Spain to book an appointment.Why do the Dentists allow this.I will tell you why,the Country is corrupt from top to bottom,that is why.Do not just blame immigration,look closer to home.[/p][/quote]If you have chosen to live in Spain you should NOT be getting a state pension from the UK. End of.[/p][/quote]Why not, this person has worked all his life in the UK and paid into the Pension pot, how does moving abroad make any difference? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 3

9:09am Thu 20 Mar 14

wardyt says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
eurogordi wrote:
spanglishbull.uk wrote: Osprey Saint, I live in Spain.I lived and worked in England until I was 65 years old.I get NO Benefits from the U.K only my basic State pension.I do not return to the U.K. for any medical treatment.I get free medical here as I am an E.U. pensioner paying 10% towards my prescriptions.I am not entitled to any benefits from the Spanish system,which by the way I fully agree with,maybe the U.K could follow suit.You are quite correct,I know plenty of ex pats who return to the U.K. for medicals etc.claim Housing Benefit,Child Allowance,Care Allowance etc,etc,etc.Who is to blame? The G.P.s for one who know their patients live abroad but turn a blind eye to the fact.I know people who receive six months of Prescriptions ,sent by their families,why do the G.P.s do this?I know people with N.H.S dentists in the U.K. who actually ring up from Spain to book an appointment.Why do the Dentists allow this.I will tell you why,the Country is corrupt from top to bottom,that is why.Do not just blame immigration,look closer to home.
If you have chosen to live in Spain you should NOT be getting a state pension from the UK. End of.
Why not, this person has worked all his life in the UK and paid into the Pension pot, how does moving abroad make any difference?
I agree
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: Osprey Saint, I live in Spain.I lived and worked in England until I was 65 years old.I get NO Benefits from the U.K only my basic State pension.I do not return to the U.K. for any medical treatment.I get free medical here as I am an E.U. pensioner paying 10% towards my prescriptions.I am not entitled to any benefits from the Spanish system,which by the way I fully agree with,maybe the U.K could follow suit.You are quite correct,I know plenty of ex pats who return to the U.K. for medicals etc.claim Housing Benefit,Child Allowance,Care Allowance etc,etc,etc.Who is to blame? The G.P.s for one who know their patients live abroad but turn a blind eye to the fact.I know people who receive six months of Prescriptions ,sent by their families,why do the G.P.s do this?I know people with N.H.S dentists in the U.K. who actually ring up from Spain to book an appointment.Why do the Dentists allow this.I will tell you why,the Country is corrupt from top to bottom,that is why.Do not just blame immigration,look closer to home.[/p][/quote]If you have chosen to live in Spain you should NOT be getting a state pension from the UK. End of.[/p][/quote]Why not, this person has worked all his life in the UK and paid into the Pension pot, how does moving abroad make any difference?[/p][/quote]I agree wardyt
  • Score: 4

9:19am Thu 20 Mar 14

InTheKnowOk says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
InTheKnowOk wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
InTheKnowOk wrote:
Basically the less you have, the better off you are ... end of ....
So if you've got nothing you've cracked it? And if your getting £30,000 and upwards because you may be loosing more money than someone with nothing you are worse off? Do the nurses know you're using the computer?
Of course you are better off, the less you have the more benefits you get, which includes free eye checks, free prescriptions, free dental checks, Council tax reduction, reduced rent, help with University fees, even help with funeral costs for your partner, the list is endless ...
What if you just want to get from one week to the next what is the minimum amount required to do that? Well before any of the bedroom tax and the 25% reduction in council tax benefit the legal minimum you were deemed to require was more or less what someone on JSA would receive. Now some are paying the bedroom tax and the 25% of their council tax but the amount which was deemed to be just about the legal minimum hasn't changed so how is what they are getting now still deemed the legal minimum or even legal? You may be the sort of person who is constantly going to the doctors or having their eyes checked but it's surely not an everyday thing. If you need a free prescription it would suggest you were not well and you were taking steps to improve the situation.
There are many pensioners living in 3 bed houses which they pay no rent for from the council as its all paid for .. these people need moving out to appropriate accommodation ...

Many on benefits are better off being on them than not, if working they would be worse off.

How can sick people improve their situation? .. I am on tablets for life not by choice, it grates on me that smokers with lung problems get people running around after them, district nurses and so on, free car, tax, etc . These are the sort of benefits that are milking the system ..

All I know is the less you have the more help you get ..
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote: Basically the less you have, the better off you are ... end of ....[/p][/quote]So if you've got nothing you've cracked it? And if your getting £30,000 and upwards because you may be loosing more money than someone with nothing you are worse off? Do the nurses know you're using the computer?[/p][/quote]Of course you are better off, the less you have the more benefits you get, which includes free eye checks, free prescriptions, free dental checks, Council tax reduction, reduced rent, help with University fees, even help with funeral costs for your partner, the list is endless ...[/p][/quote]What if you just want to get from one week to the next what is the minimum amount required to do that? Well before any of the bedroom tax and the 25% reduction in council tax benefit the legal minimum you were deemed to require was more or less what someone on JSA would receive. Now some are paying the bedroom tax and the 25% of their council tax but the amount which was deemed to be just about the legal minimum hasn't changed so how is what they are getting now still deemed the legal minimum or even legal? You may be the sort of person who is constantly going to the doctors or having their eyes checked but it's surely not an everyday thing. If you need a free prescription it would suggest you were not well and you were taking steps to improve the situation.[/p][/quote]There are many pensioners living in 3 bed houses which they pay no rent for from the council as its all paid for .. these people need moving out to appropriate accommodation ... Many on benefits are better off being on them than not, if working they would be worse off. How can sick people improve their situation? .. I am on tablets for life not by choice, it grates on me that smokers with lung problems get people running around after them, district nurses and so on, free car, tax, etc . These are the sort of benefits that are milking the system .. All I know is the less you have the more help you get .. InTheKnowOk
  • Score: -2

9:45am Thu 20 Mar 14

InTheKnowOk says...

Another thing, if you've got to go in a home but own your own place, (that you've worked hard for all your life and want to pass down to your kids), tough luck, they are going to use all that money from your house to fund your care until the money runs out ..
Another thing, if you've got to go in a home but own your own place, (that you've worked hard for all your life and want to pass down to your kids), tough luck, they are going to use all that money from your house to fund your care until the money runs out .. InTheKnowOk
  • Score: 1

10:49am Thu 20 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

InTheKnowOk wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
InTheKnowOk wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
InTheKnowOk wrote:
Basically the less you have, the better off you are ... end of ....
So if you've got nothing you've cracked it? And if your getting £30,000 and upwards because you may be loosing more money than someone with nothing you are worse off? Do the nurses know you're using the computer?
Of course you are better off, the less you have the more benefits you get, which includes free eye checks, free prescriptions, free dental checks, Council tax reduction, reduced rent, help with University fees, even help with funeral costs for your partner, the list is endless ...
What if you just want to get from one week to the next what is the minimum amount required to do that? Well before any of the bedroom tax and the 25% reduction in council tax benefit the legal minimum you were deemed to require was more or less what someone on JSA would receive. Now some are paying the bedroom tax and the 25% of their council tax but the amount which was deemed to be just about the legal minimum hasn't changed so how is what they are getting now still deemed the legal minimum or even legal? You may be the sort of person who is constantly going to the doctors or having their eyes checked but it's surely not an everyday thing. If you need a free prescription it would suggest you were not well and you were taking steps to improve the situation.
There are many pensioners living in 3 bed houses which they pay no rent for from the council as its all paid for .. these people need moving out to appropriate accommodation ...

Many on benefits are better off being on them than not, if working they would be worse off.

How can sick people improve their situation? .. I am on tablets for life not by choice, it grates on me that smokers with lung problems get people running around after them, district nurses and so on, free car, tax, etc . These are the sort of benefits that are milking the system ..

All I know is the less you have the more help you get ..
I suspect the numbers of examples that you quote are minimal, most Pensioners have been paying money in all of their working life, now is the time that they should get some of it back. It annoys me that some people want to victimise old people, who probably spent all there life in the house that you want to kick them out of, are you aware how traumatic that can be. It is not their fault that there is a shortage of suitable housing, that lays elsewhere.
Quote : "All I know is the less you have the more help you get .."
I don't think that reads how you intended it.
[quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote: Basically the less you have, the better off you are ... end of ....[/p][/quote]So if you've got nothing you've cracked it? And if your getting £30,000 and upwards because you may be loosing more money than someone with nothing you are worse off? Do the nurses know you're using the computer?[/p][/quote]Of course you are better off, the less you have the more benefits you get, which includes free eye checks, free prescriptions, free dental checks, Council tax reduction, reduced rent, help with University fees, even help with funeral costs for your partner, the list is endless ...[/p][/quote]What if you just want to get from one week to the next what is the minimum amount required to do that? Well before any of the bedroom tax and the 25% reduction in council tax benefit the legal minimum you were deemed to require was more or less what someone on JSA would receive. Now some are paying the bedroom tax and the 25% of their council tax but the amount which was deemed to be just about the legal minimum hasn't changed so how is what they are getting now still deemed the legal minimum or even legal? You may be the sort of person who is constantly going to the doctors or having their eyes checked but it's surely not an everyday thing. If you need a free prescription it would suggest you were not well and you were taking steps to improve the situation.[/p][/quote]There are many pensioners living in 3 bed houses which they pay no rent for from the council as its all paid for .. these people need moving out to appropriate accommodation ... Many on benefits are better off being on them than not, if working they would be worse off. How can sick people improve their situation? .. I am on tablets for life not by choice, it grates on me that smokers with lung problems get people running around after them, district nurses and so on, free car, tax, etc . These are the sort of benefits that are milking the system .. All I know is the less you have the more help you get ..[/p][/quote]I suspect the numbers of examples that you quote are minimal, most Pensioners have been paying money in all of their working life, now is the time that they should get some of it back. It annoys me that some people want to victimise old people, who probably spent all there life in the house that you want to kick them out of, are you aware how traumatic that can be. It is not their fault that there is a shortage of suitable housing, that lays elsewhere. Quote : "All I know is the less you have the more help you get .." I don't think that reads how you intended it. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

10:54am Thu 20 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

InTheKnowOk wrote:
Another thing, if you've got to go in a home but own your own place, (that you've worked hard for all your life and want to pass down to your kids), tough luck, they are going to use all that money from your house to fund your care until the money runs out ..
How else is the care going to be paid for? A lot of people do this voluntarily, the house is an assett to be used to ensure care for the rest of their life, carried out legally and sensibly it's the ideal solution.
[quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote: Another thing, if you've got to go in a home but own your own place, (that you've worked hard for all your life and want to pass down to your kids), tough luck, they are going to use all that money from your house to fund your care until the money runs out ..[/p][/quote]How else is the care going to be paid for? A lot of people do this voluntarily, the house is an assett to be used to ensure care for the rest of their life, carried out legally and sensibly it's the ideal solution. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -2

10:58am Thu 20 Mar 14

Torchie1 says...

eurogordi wrote:
Pensioners should think themselves lucky for what they already have and, if they don't have enough money, then they should have been more prudent during their working lives. This budget has done nothing for the young people of this land who are already demoralised by the lack of apprenticeships and other employment opportunities. I have nothing against pensioners, but they should try and survive on what someone in their twenties has too! Then pensioners really might have something to complain about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!
I imagine that most if not all pensioners did experience the same problems when they were in their twenties. They probably lived through the Second World War, the Cold War and numerous other situations that today's twenty somethings won't have to worry about. Every generation gets their own set of problems to deal with and how they cope is what defines them, but just complaining about something won't change anything. You are dealt a hand of cards and it's up to the players to do their best.
[quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: Pensioners should think themselves lucky for what they already have and, if they don't have enough money, then they should have been more prudent during their working lives. This budget has done nothing for the young people of this land who are already demoralised by the lack of apprenticeships and other employment opportunities. I have nothing against pensioners, but they should try and survive on what someone in their twenties has too! Then pensioners really might have something to complain about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]I imagine that most if not all pensioners did experience the same problems when they were in their twenties. They probably lived through the Second World War, the Cold War and numerous other situations that today's twenty somethings won't have to worry about. Every generation gets their own set of problems to deal with and how they cope is what defines them, but just complaining about something won't change anything. You are dealt a hand of cards and it's up to the players to do their best. Torchie1
  • Score: 5

11:16am Thu 20 Mar 14

Linstock says...

Osborne has been conning people over pensions for years, ask any poorer pensioner what has happened to their Pension credit, reduced every year this lot has been in power, they are just liars and conmen as ever, believe nothing about pension pots, he will have his fingers in that pot before you do.
Osborne has been conning people over pensions for years, ask any poorer pensioner what has happened to their Pension credit, reduced every year this lot has been in power, they are just liars and conmen as ever, believe nothing about pension pots, he will have his fingers in that pot before you do. Linstock
  • Score: -1

11:23am Thu 20 Mar 14

InTheKnowOk says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
InTheKnowOk wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
InTheKnowOk wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
InTheKnowOk wrote:
Basically the less you have, the better off you are ... end of ....
So if you've got nothing you've cracked it? And if your getting £30,000 and upwards because you may be loosing more money than someone with nothing you are worse off? Do the nurses know you're using the computer?
Of course you are better off, the less you have the more benefits you get, which includes free eye checks, free prescriptions, free dental checks, Council tax reduction, reduced rent, help with University fees, even help with funeral costs for your partner, the list is endless ...
What if you just want to get from one week to the next what is the minimum amount required to do that? Well before any of the bedroom tax and the 25% reduction in council tax benefit the legal minimum you were deemed to require was more or less what someone on JSA would receive. Now some are paying the bedroom tax and the 25% of their council tax but the amount which was deemed to be just about the legal minimum hasn't changed so how is what they are getting now still deemed the legal minimum or even legal? You may be the sort of person who is constantly going to the doctors or having their eyes checked but it's surely not an everyday thing. If you need a free prescription it would suggest you were not well and you were taking steps to improve the situation.
There are many pensioners living in 3 bed houses which they pay no rent for from the council as its all paid for .. these people need moving out to appropriate accommodation ...

Many on benefits are better off being on them than not, if working they would be worse off.

How can sick people improve their situation? .. I am on tablets for life not by choice, it grates on me that smokers with lung problems get people running around after them, district nurses and so on, free car, tax, etc . These are the sort of benefits that are milking the system ..

All I know is the less you have the more help you get ..
I suspect the numbers of examples that you quote are minimal, most Pensioners have been paying money in all of their working life, now is the time that they should get some of it back. It annoys me that some people want to victimise old people, who probably spent all there life in the house that you want to kick them out of, are you aware how traumatic that can be. It is not their fault that there is a shortage of suitable housing, that lays elsewhere.
Quote : "All I know is the less you have the more help you get .."
I don't think that reads how you intended it.
No it's not minimal, there are thousands of pensioners rattling around in 3 bed, 2 reception council houses that should be moved into 1 bed bungalows. It's not a God given right that they are housed in a family home forever. They are taking up a house that could go to a family.

The less money you have, the more help you get, correct. If you've saved up and been careful all your life, working hard, paid into pensions etc, the less help you get at the end of the day.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote: Basically the less you have, the better off you are ... end of ....[/p][/quote]So if you've got nothing you've cracked it? And if your getting £30,000 and upwards because you may be loosing more money than someone with nothing you are worse off? Do the nurses know you're using the computer?[/p][/quote]Of course you are better off, the less you have the more benefits you get, which includes free eye checks, free prescriptions, free dental checks, Council tax reduction, reduced rent, help with University fees, even help with funeral costs for your partner, the list is endless ...[/p][/quote]What if you just want to get from one week to the next what is the minimum amount required to do that? Well before any of the bedroom tax and the 25% reduction in council tax benefit the legal minimum you were deemed to require was more or less what someone on JSA would receive. Now some are paying the bedroom tax and the 25% of their council tax but the amount which was deemed to be just about the legal minimum hasn't changed so how is what they are getting now still deemed the legal minimum or even legal? You may be the sort of person who is constantly going to the doctors or having their eyes checked but it's surely not an everyday thing. If you need a free prescription it would suggest you were not well and you were taking steps to improve the situation.[/p][/quote]There are many pensioners living in 3 bed houses which they pay no rent for from the council as its all paid for .. these people need moving out to appropriate accommodation ... Many on benefits are better off being on them than not, if working they would be worse off. How can sick people improve their situation? .. I am on tablets for life not by choice, it grates on me that smokers with lung problems get people running around after them, district nurses and so on, free car, tax, etc . These are the sort of benefits that are milking the system .. All I know is the less you have the more help you get ..[/p][/quote]I suspect the numbers of examples that you quote are minimal, most Pensioners have been paying money in all of their working life, now is the time that they should get some of it back. It annoys me that some people want to victimise old people, who probably spent all there life in the house that you want to kick them out of, are you aware how traumatic that can be. It is not their fault that there is a shortage of suitable housing, that lays elsewhere. Quote : "All I know is the less you have the more help you get .." I don't think that reads how you intended it.[/p][/quote]No it's not minimal, there are thousands of pensioners rattling around in 3 bed, 2 reception council houses that should be moved into 1 bed bungalows. It's not a God given right that they are housed in a family home forever. They are taking up a house that could go to a family. The less money you have, the more help you get, correct. If you've saved up and been careful all your life, working hard, paid into pensions etc, the less help you get at the end of the day. InTheKnowOk
  • Score: 1

11:23am Thu 20 Mar 14

Torchie1 says...

Linstock wrote:
Osborne has been conning people over pensions for years, ask any poorer pensioner what has happened to their Pension credit, reduced every year this lot has been in power, they are just liars and conmen as ever, believe nothing about pension pots, he will have his fingers in that pot before you do.
Will he have his finger in as deep as Gordon Brown did?
[quote][p][bold]Linstock[/bold] wrote: Osborne has been conning people over pensions for years, ask any poorer pensioner what has happened to their Pension credit, reduced every year this lot has been in power, they are just liars and conmen as ever, believe nothing about pension pots, he will have his fingers in that pot before you do.[/p][/quote]Will he have his finger in as deep as Gordon Brown did? Torchie1
  • Score: 1

11:25am Thu 20 Mar 14

InTheKnowOk says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
InTheKnowOk wrote:
Another thing, if you've got to go in a home but own your own place, (that you've worked hard for all your life and want to pass down to your kids), tough luck, they are going to use all that money from your house to fund your care until the money runs out ..
How else is the care going to be paid for? A lot of people do this voluntarily, the house is an assett to be used to ensure care for the rest of their life, carried out legally and sensibly it's the ideal solution.
I disagree with that one on many counts ..
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote: Another thing, if you've got to go in a home but own your own place, (that you've worked hard for all your life and want to pass down to your kids), tough luck, they are going to use all that money from your house to fund your care until the money runs out ..[/p][/quote]How else is the care going to be paid for? A lot of people do this voluntarily, the house is an assett to be used to ensure care for the rest of their life, carried out legally and sensibly it's the ideal solution.[/p][/quote]I disagree with that one on many counts .. InTheKnowOk
  • Score: 2

11:31am Thu 20 Mar 14

bloke down the pub says...

This budget is an insult to 90% of the people and those people will make sure the Lib/Tory never get the chance to insult the working and the pensioners again
This budget is an insult to 90% of the people and those people will make sure the Lib/Tory never get the chance to insult the working and the pensioners again bloke down the pub
  • Score: 2

12:52pm Thu 20 Mar 14

sarfflondonbird says...

white rabbit9 wrote:
“Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.”
― George Orwell
Right on..............
[quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: “Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.” ― George Orwell[/p][/quote]Right on.............. sarfflondonbird
  • Score: -3

2:25pm Thu 20 Mar 14

RollandSmoke says...

InTheKnowOk wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
InTheKnowOk wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
InTheKnowOk wrote:
Basically the less you have, the better off you are ... end of ....
So if you've got nothing you've cracked it? And if your getting £30,000 and upwards because you may be loosing more money than someone with nothing you are worse off? Do the nurses know you're using the computer?
Of course you are better off, the less you have the more benefits you get, which includes free eye checks, free prescriptions, free dental checks, Council tax reduction, reduced rent, help with University fees, even help with funeral costs for your partner, the list is endless ...
What if you just want to get from one week to the next what is the minimum amount required to do that? Well before any of the bedroom tax and the 25% reduction in council tax benefit the legal minimum you were deemed to require was more or less what someone on JSA would receive. Now some are paying the bedroom tax and the 25% of their council tax but the amount which was deemed to be just about the legal minimum hasn't changed so how is what they are getting now still deemed the legal minimum or even legal? You may be the sort of person who is constantly going to the doctors or having their eyes checked but it's surely not an everyday thing. If you need a free prescription it would suggest you were not well and you were taking steps to improve the situation.
There are many pensioners living in 3 bed houses which they pay no rent for from the council as its all paid for .. these people need moving out to appropriate accommodation ...

Many on benefits are better off being on them than not, if working they would be worse off.

How can sick people improve their situation? .. I am on tablets for life not by choice, it grates on me that smokers with lung problems get people running around after them, district nurses and so on, free car, tax, etc . These are the sort of benefits that are milking the system ..

All I know is the less you have the more help you get ..
Yet pensioners on the whole have been exempt from the bedroom tax as the Tories don't want to risk upsetting their core voters. If people on benefits which for the most part are made up of money that they will never see, ie housing benefit that goes straight to their landlord and which they would receive help with even if working, are better off on benefits then that speaks volumes about the levels of wages in this country. If we had the living wage that many are calling for then that may address the problem. Another 19p an hour on the minimum wage isn't enough to solve the low wage problem. Does the taxpayer contributing to a worker's income so their employer can maximise their profits by not paying the workers enough to survive on grate you also? Has this policy helped drive down wages overall? Is it the recipient of the help that is at fault for this?
[quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote: Basically the less you have, the better off you are ... end of ....[/p][/quote]So if you've got nothing you've cracked it? And if your getting £30,000 and upwards because you may be loosing more money than someone with nothing you are worse off? Do the nurses know you're using the computer?[/p][/quote]Of course you are better off, the less you have the more benefits you get, which includes free eye checks, free prescriptions, free dental checks, Council tax reduction, reduced rent, help with University fees, even help with funeral costs for your partner, the list is endless ...[/p][/quote]What if you just want to get from one week to the next what is the minimum amount required to do that? Well before any of the bedroom tax and the 25% reduction in council tax benefit the legal minimum you were deemed to require was more or less what someone on JSA would receive. Now some are paying the bedroom tax and the 25% of their council tax but the amount which was deemed to be just about the legal minimum hasn't changed so how is what they are getting now still deemed the legal minimum or even legal? You may be the sort of person who is constantly going to the doctors or having their eyes checked but it's surely not an everyday thing. If you need a free prescription it would suggest you were not well and you were taking steps to improve the situation.[/p][/quote]There are many pensioners living in 3 bed houses which they pay no rent for from the council as its all paid for .. these people need moving out to appropriate accommodation ... Many on benefits are better off being on them than not, if working they would be worse off. How can sick people improve their situation? .. I am on tablets for life not by choice, it grates on me that smokers with lung problems get people running around after them, district nurses and so on, free car, tax, etc . These are the sort of benefits that are milking the system .. All I know is the less you have the more help you get ..[/p][/quote]Yet pensioners on the whole have been exempt from the bedroom tax as the Tories don't want to risk upsetting their core voters. If people on benefits which for the most part are made up of money that they will never see, ie housing benefit that goes straight to their landlord and which they would receive help with even if working, are better off on benefits then that speaks volumes about the levels of wages in this country. If we had the living wage that many are calling for then that may address the problem. Another 19p an hour on the minimum wage isn't enough to solve the low wage problem. Does the taxpayer contributing to a worker's income so their employer can maximise their profits by not paying the workers enough to survive on grate you also? Has this policy helped drive down wages overall? Is it the recipient of the help that is at fault for this? RollandSmoke
  • Score: -20

3:55pm Thu 20 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

sarfflondonbird wrote:
white rabbit9 wrote:
“Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.”
― George Orwell
Right on..............
Ignorance is the right to take no notice what everyone else is saying.
[quote][p][bold]sarfflondonbird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]white rabbit9[/bold] wrote: “Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.” ― George Orwell[/p][/quote]Right on..............[/p][/quote]Ignorance is the right to take no notice what everyone else is saying. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

4:02pm Thu 20 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

InTheKnowOk wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
InTheKnowOk wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
InTheKnowOk wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
InTheKnowOk wrote:
Basically the less you have, the better off you are ... end of ....
So if you've got nothing you've cracked it? And if your getting £30,000 and upwards because you may be loosing more money than someone with nothing you are worse off? Do the nurses know you're using the computer?
Of course you are better off, the less you have the more benefits you get, which includes free eye checks, free prescriptions, free dental checks, Council tax reduction, reduced rent, help with University fees, even help with funeral costs for your partner, the list is endless ...
What if you just want to get from one week to the next what is the minimum amount required to do that? Well before any of the bedroom tax and the 25% reduction in council tax benefit the legal minimum you were deemed to require was more or less what someone on JSA would receive. Now some are paying the bedroom tax and the 25% of their council tax but the amount which was deemed to be just about the legal minimum hasn't changed so how is what they are getting now still deemed the legal minimum or even legal? You may be the sort of person who is constantly going to the doctors or having their eyes checked but it's surely not an everyday thing. If you need a free prescription it would suggest you were not well and you were taking steps to improve the situation.
There are many pensioners living in 3 bed houses which they pay no rent for from the council as its all paid for .. these people need moving out to appropriate accommodation ...

Many on benefits are better off being on them than not, if working they would be worse off.

How can sick people improve their situation? .. I am on tablets for life not by choice, it grates on me that smokers with lung problems get people running around after them, district nurses and so on, free car, tax, etc . These are the sort of benefits that are milking the system ..

All I know is the less you have the more help you get ..
I suspect the numbers of examples that you quote are minimal, most Pensioners have been paying money in all of their working life, now is the time that they should get some of it back. It annoys me that some people want to victimise old people, who probably spent all there life in the house that you want to kick them out of, are you aware how traumatic that can be. It is not their fault that there is a shortage of suitable housing, that lays elsewhere.
Quote : "All I know is the less you have the more help you get .."
I don't think that reads how you intended it.
No it's not minimal, there are thousands of pensioners rattling around in 3 bed, 2 reception council houses that should be moved into 1 bed bungalows. It's not a God given right that they are housed in a family home forever. They are taking up a house that could go to a family.

The less money you have, the more help you get, correct. If you've saved up and been careful all your life, working hard, paid into pensions etc, the less help you get at the end of the day.
" If you've saved up and been careful all your life, working hard, paid into pensions etc, the less help you get at the end of the day."

If that is the case and you have been careful you won't need any help. It's those that have not been able to save for their future that need help.

Question: Where do you live and what kind of accomodation is it? Would it upset you to be evicted for some lame excuse like we need your house for a poor family of thirteen going on fourteen kids that are sponging off the state?
[quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote: Basically the less you have, the better off you are ... end of ....[/p][/quote]So if you've got nothing you've cracked it? And if your getting £30,000 and upwards because you may be loosing more money than someone with nothing you are worse off? Do the nurses know you're using the computer?[/p][/quote]Of course you are better off, the less you have the more benefits you get, which includes free eye checks, free prescriptions, free dental checks, Council tax reduction, reduced rent, help with University fees, even help with funeral costs for your partner, the list is endless ...[/p][/quote]What if you just want to get from one week to the next what is the minimum amount required to do that? Well before any of the bedroom tax and the 25% reduction in council tax benefit the legal minimum you were deemed to require was more or less what someone on JSA would receive. Now some are paying the bedroom tax and the 25% of their council tax but the amount which was deemed to be just about the legal minimum hasn't changed so how is what they are getting now still deemed the legal minimum or even legal? You may be the sort of person who is constantly going to the doctors or having their eyes checked but it's surely not an everyday thing. If you need a free prescription it would suggest you were not well and you were taking steps to improve the situation.[/p][/quote]There are many pensioners living in 3 bed houses which they pay no rent for from the council as its all paid for .. these people need moving out to appropriate accommodation ... Many on benefits are better off being on them than not, if working they would be worse off. How can sick people improve their situation? .. I am on tablets for life not by choice, it grates on me that smokers with lung problems get people running around after them, district nurses and so on, free car, tax, etc . These are the sort of benefits that are milking the system .. All I know is the less you have the more help you get ..[/p][/quote]I suspect the numbers of examples that you quote are minimal, most Pensioners have been paying money in all of their working life, now is the time that they should get some of it back. It annoys me that some people want to victimise old people, who probably spent all there life in the house that you want to kick them out of, are you aware how traumatic that can be. It is not their fault that there is a shortage of suitable housing, that lays elsewhere. Quote : "All I know is the less you have the more help you get .." I don't think that reads how you intended it.[/p][/quote]No it's not minimal, there are thousands of pensioners rattling around in 3 bed, 2 reception council houses that should be moved into 1 bed bungalows. It's not a God given right that they are housed in a family home forever. They are taking up a house that could go to a family. The less money you have, the more help you get, correct. If you've saved up and been careful all your life, working hard, paid into pensions etc, the less help you get at the end of the day.[/p][/quote]" If you've saved up and been careful all your life, working hard, paid into pensions etc, the less help you get at the end of the day." If that is the case and you have been careful you won't need any help. It's those that have not been able to save for their future that need help. Question: Where do you live and what kind of accomodation is it? Would it upset you to be evicted for some lame excuse like we need your house for a poor family of thirteen going on fourteen kids that are sponging off the state? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

4:18pm Thu 20 Mar 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

InTheKnowOk wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
InTheKnowOk wrote:
Another thing, if you've got to go in a home but own your own place, (that you've worked hard for all your life and want to pass down to your kids), tough luck, they are going to use all that money from your house to fund your care until the money runs out ..
How else is the care going to be paid for? A lot of people do this voluntarily, the house is an assett to be used to ensure care for the rest of their life, carried out legally and sensibly it's the ideal solution.
I disagree with that one on many counts ..
That is your right to do so.
[quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote: Another thing, if you've got to go in a home but own your own place, (that you've worked hard for all your life and want to pass down to your kids), tough luck, they are going to use all that money from your house to fund your care until the money runs out ..[/p][/quote]How else is the care going to be paid for? A lot of people do this voluntarily, the house is an assett to be used to ensure care for the rest of their life, carried out legally and sensibly it's the ideal solution.[/p][/quote]I disagree with that one on many counts ..[/p][/quote]That is your right to do so. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

5:37pm Thu 20 Mar 14

JamesYoung says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
InTheKnowOk wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
InTheKnowOk wrote:
RollandSmoke wrote:
InTheKnowOk wrote:
Basically the less you have, the better off you are ... end of ....
So if you've got nothing you've cracked it? And if your getting £30,000 and upwards because you may be loosing more money than someone with nothing you are worse off? Do the nurses know you're using the computer?
Of course you are better off, the less you have the more benefits you get, which includes free eye checks, free prescriptions, free dental checks, Council tax reduction, reduced rent, help with University fees, even help with funeral costs for your partner, the list is endless ...
What if you just want to get from one week to the next what is the minimum amount required to do that? Well before any of the bedroom tax and the 25% reduction in council tax benefit the legal minimum you were deemed to require was more or less what someone on JSA would receive. Now some are paying the bedroom tax and the 25% of their council tax but the amount which was deemed to be just about the legal minimum hasn't changed so how is what they are getting now still deemed the legal minimum or even legal? You may be the sort of person who is constantly going to the doctors or having their eyes checked but it's surely not an everyday thing. If you need a free prescription it would suggest you were not well and you were taking steps to improve the situation.
There are many pensioners living in 3 bed houses which they pay no rent for from the council as its all paid for .. these people need moving out to appropriate accommodation ...

Many on benefits are better off being on them than not, if working they would be worse off.

How can sick people improve their situation? .. I am on tablets for life not by choice, it grates on me that smokers with lung problems get people running around after them, district nurses and so on, free car, tax, etc . These are the sort of benefits that are milking the system ..

All I know is the less you have the more help you get ..
Yet pensioners on the whole have been exempt from the bedroom tax as the Tories don't want to risk upsetting their core voters. If people on benefits which for the most part are made up of money that they will never see, ie housing benefit that goes straight to their landlord and which they would receive help with even if working, are better off on benefits then that speaks volumes about the levels of wages in this country. If we had the living wage that many are calling for then that may address the problem. Another 19p an hour on the minimum wage isn't enough to solve the low wage problem. Does the taxpayer contributing to a worker's income so their employer can maximise their profits by not paying the workers enough to survive on grate you also? Has this policy helped drive down wages overall? Is it the recipient of the help that is at fault for this?
Never a truer word spoken. Every - and i mean every - measure that has been introduced by Osbubble since he came to power has been aimed at making sure older people with an income feel wealthy. If you are a pensioner, you get a bus pass so you don't have to use the Rolls on your drive. The young person? Well, they can live on the street until they are 25 after which we will grudgingly give them housing benefit. We're going to do everything in our power - including condemning young people to a lifetime of debt slavery - to ensure your bungalow doesn't go down in price. We'll protect your pension rights, because you think you are entitled, even though there is no "pension pot" for civil service or state pensions and all that money comes out of the pockets of taxpayers. We'll collude with older people to tell you how hard work makes free, even though we've done our best, over several decades, to ensure that as many jobs as possible are exported abroad.
If people over 40 realised just how much the older generation is reliant on th younger generation, and just how badly they've been screwed over by them, i don't think they'd vote again.
And i'm over 40.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InTheKnowOk[/bold] wrote: Basically the less you have, the better off you are ... end of ....[/p][/quote]So if you've got nothing you've cracked it? And if your getting £30,000 and upwards because you may be loosing more money than someone with nothing you are worse off? Do the nurses know you're using the computer?[/p][/quote]Of course you are better off, the less you have the more benefits you get, which includes free eye checks, free prescriptions, free dental checks, Council tax reduction, reduced rent, help with University fees, even help with funeral costs for your partner, the list is endless ...[/p][/quote]What if you just want to get from one week to the next what is the minimum amount required to do that? Well before any of the bedroom tax and the 25% reduction in council tax benefit the legal minimum you were deemed to require was more or less what someone on JSA would receive. Now some are paying the bedroom tax and the 25% of their council tax but the amount which was deemed to be just about the legal minimum hasn't changed so how is what they are getting now still deemed the legal minimum or even legal? You may be the sort of person who is constantly going to the doctors or having their eyes checked but it's surely not an everyday thing. If you need a free prescription it would suggest you were not well and you were taking steps to improve the situation.[/p][/quote]There are many pensioners living in 3 bed houses which they pay no rent for from the council as its all paid for .. these people need moving out to appropriate accommodation ... Many on benefits are better off being on them than not, if working they would be worse off. How can sick people improve their situation? .. I am on tablets for life not by choice, it grates on me that smokers with lung problems get people running around after them, district nurses and so on, free car, tax, etc . These are the sort of benefits that are milking the system .. All I know is the less you have the more help you get ..[/p][/quote]Yet pensioners on the whole have been exempt from the bedroom tax as the Tories don't want to risk upsetting their core voters. If people on benefits which for the most part are made up of money that they will never see, ie housing benefit that goes straight to their landlord and which they would receive help with even if working, are better off on benefits then that speaks volumes about the levels of wages in this country. If we had the living wage that many are calling for then that may address the problem. Another 19p an hour on the minimum wage isn't enough to solve the low wage problem. Does the taxpayer contributing to a worker's income so their employer can maximise their profits by not paying the workers enough to survive on grate you also? Has this policy helped drive down wages overall? Is it the recipient of the help that is at fault for this?[/p][/quote]Never a truer word spoken. Every - and i mean every - measure that has been introduced by Osbubble since he came to power has been aimed at making sure older people with an income feel wealthy. If you are a pensioner, you get a bus pass so you don't have to use the Rolls on your drive. The young person? Well, they can live on the street until they are 25 after which we will grudgingly give them housing benefit. We're going to do everything in our power - including condemning young people to a lifetime of debt slavery - to ensure your bungalow doesn't go down in price. We'll protect your pension rights, because you think you are entitled, even though there is no "pension pot" for civil service or state pensions and all that money comes out of the pockets of taxpayers. We'll collude with older people to tell you how hard work makes free, even though we've done our best, over several decades, to ensure that as many jobs as possible are exported abroad. If people over 40 realised just how much the older generation is reliant on th younger generation, and just how badly they've been screwed over by them, i don't think they'd vote again. And i'm over 40. JamesYoung
  • Score: -5

7:41pm Thu 20 Mar 14

skipper49 says...

Erm..when is the next election?
Erm..when is the next election? skipper49
  • Score: 1

8:34pm Thu 20 Mar 14

scrumpyjack says...

Nick Tessla wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
masterstroke, reference to king John and his unruly barons...

Great idea supporting the 800th anniversary of the signing of the Magna Carta, something Liebour has sh@t all over - and the money to repair cathedrals that will be taking part in the WWI commemoration.

Can you see Liebour celebrating our own culture this way... nope, they'd send the money to some far flung foreign regime or some daft made up local "minority" group.

Not a fan of George Osborne or the Tories but I do like my money being spent on MY country. For a change.
An awful lot of people from "minority" groups (your quote marks not mine) were brought In from far flung countries to fight for your country in WWI.
Err and theirs - it was a world war.

So, irrelevant point I would say,
[quote][p][bold]Nick Tessla[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote: masterstroke, reference to king John and his unruly barons... Great idea supporting the 800th anniversary of the signing of the Magna Carta, something Liebour has sh@t all over - and the money to repair cathedrals that will be taking part in the WWI commemoration. Can you see Liebour celebrating our own culture this way... nope, they'd send the money to some far flung foreign regime or some daft made up local "minority" group. Not a fan of George Osborne or the Tories but I do like my money being spent on MY country. For a change.[/p][/quote]An awful lot of people from "minority" groups (your quote marks not mine) were brought In from far flung countries to fight for your country in WWI.[/p][/quote]Err and theirs - it was a world war. So, irrelevant point I would say, scrumpyjack
  • Score: 2

9:51pm Thu 20 Mar 14

scrumpyjack says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
So tell me this, as a result of this budget are we no longer going to be reading stories of people starving to death in this country? Are the low paid and unemployed no longer going to be reliant on either a foodbank or a payday loan company to keep them alive from one payment to the next?. I think the answer is no they have done nothing to address these problems unless you count the cut in bingo tax to encourage the desperate and gullible to gamble what little they have in the hope of coming away with a little more. The cost of petrol is the only thing keeping molitov cocktails from flying on the streets of Britain and that will only discourage the rioters for so long. The Government knows this which is why they want water cannons on our streets and riot police armed with x-12 taser shotguns. I'm sure there will be a few "all right jacks" who will argue the toss with me but I couldn't give a monkeys about those who are doing alright thank you, I'm disgusted by the sheer numbers of people who are not and are having their circumstances worsened by this Nazi like Government's policies.
Pathetic, whiney and delusional.

As for "Nazi like" and 'reading stories of people starving to death'. Oh please.
[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: So tell me this, as a result of this budget are we no longer going to be reading stories of people starving to death in this country? Are the low paid and unemployed no longer going to be reliant on either a foodbank or a payday loan company to keep them alive from one payment to the next?. I think the answer is no they have done nothing to address these problems unless you count the cut in bingo tax to encourage the desperate and gullible to gamble what little they have in the hope of coming away with a little more. The cost of petrol is the only thing keeping molitov cocktails from flying on the streets of Britain and that will only discourage the rioters for so long. The Government knows this which is why they want water cannons on our streets and riot police armed with x-12 taser shotguns. I'm sure there will be a few "all right jacks" who will argue the toss with me but I couldn't give a monkeys about those who are doing alright thank you, I'm disgusted by the sheer numbers of people who are not and are having their circumstances worsened by this Nazi like Government's policies.[/p][/quote]Pathetic, whiney and delusional. As for "Nazi like" and 'reading stories of people starving to death'. Oh please. scrumpyjack
  • Score: 3

10:08pm Thu 20 Mar 14

scrumpyjack says...

eurogordi wrote:
spanglishbull.uk wrote:
Osprey Saint,
I live in Spain.I lived and worked in England until I was 65 years old.I get NO Benefits from the U.K only my basic State pension.I do not return to the U.K. for any medical treatment.I get free medical here as I am an E.U. pensioner paying 10% towards my prescriptions.I am not entitled to any benefits from the Spanish system,which by the way I fully agree with,maybe the U.K could follow suit.You are quite correct,I know plenty of ex pats who return to the U.K. for medicals etc.claim Housing Benefit,Child Allowance,Care Allowance etc,etc,etc.Who is to blame? The G.P.s for one who know their patients live abroad but turn a blind eye to the fact.I know people who receive six months of Prescriptions ,sent by their families,why do the G.P.s do this?I know people with N.H.S dentists in the U.K. who actually ring up from Spain to book an appointment.Why do the Dentists allow this.I will tell you why,the Country is corrupt from top to bottom,that is why.Do not just blame immigration,look closer to home.
If you have chosen to live in Spain you should NOT be getting a state pension from the UK. End of.
Why?

That is the point of National Insurance. You pay all of your working life and then receive a pension.

If you paid into a bank for 40 years should you lose access to your savings if you move?

Christ you northerners are bitter and deluded bunch. 'Grim up North' seems very appropriate.
[quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: Osprey Saint, I live in Spain.I lived and worked in England until I was 65 years old.I get NO Benefits from the U.K only my basic State pension.I do not return to the U.K. for any medical treatment.I get free medical here as I am an E.U. pensioner paying 10% towards my prescriptions.I am not entitled to any benefits from the Spanish system,which by the way I fully agree with,maybe the U.K could follow suit.You are quite correct,I know plenty of ex pats who return to the U.K. for medicals etc.claim Housing Benefit,Child Allowance,Care Allowance etc,etc,etc.Who is to blame? The G.P.s for one who know their patients live abroad but turn a blind eye to the fact.I know people who receive six months of Prescriptions ,sent by their families,why do the G.P.s do this?I know people with N.H.S dentists in the U.K. who actually ring up from Spain to book an appointment.Why do the Dentists allow this.I will tell you why,the Country is corrupt from top to bottom,that is why.Do not just blame immigration,look closer to home.[/p][/quote]If you have chosen to live in Spain you should NOT be getting a state pension from the UK. End of.[/p][/quote]Why? That is the point of National Insurance. You pay all of your working life and then receive a pension. If you paid into a bank for 40 years should you lose access to your savings if you move? Christ you northerners are bitter and deluded bunch. 'Grim up North' seems very appropriate. scrumpyjack
  • Score: 5

11:39am Fri 21 Mar 14

SocialistParty.SomersetBranch says...

2014 Budget: Millionaire Osborne dishes out more misery for the majority

For the fifth year in a row the budget delivered by multi-millionaire chancellor George Osborne has meted out misery for the majority in Britain.

Despite headlines about economic recovery, the budget recognised what even the government's own quango, the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) has been forced to point out, that Britain's economy remains 15% smaller than it would have been had growth continued at pre-recession rates, and that the lost growth is never going to be recovered.

As we have repeatedly warned, the government's claims that cuts in public services were essential to cut the national debt have once again been proven to be nonsense as the national debt has continued to rise. Osborne's answer, of course, is to just keep repeating the failed recipe, adding extra austerity.

Health service workers, along with others in the public sector, have suffered a 10% pay cut in real terms over the last four years, but are now being told their wages will be squeezed even harder this year.

Spending on benefits, including housing benefit and tax credits - already slashed, resulting in a huge increase in hunger and homelessness - is now to be capped.

Crumbs

A year before the election, the budget did contain a few 'crowd pleasers' but these were overwhelmingly aimed at shoring up the core Tory vote rather than helping the majority.

It is true that the point at which workers have to start to pay the basic rate of tax was increased, saving many workers a few hundred pounds a year, while the price of a pint was lowered by a penny, but these puny measures will do nothing to compensate for continued pay restraint.

There were some changes to ISAs to help savers, and a number of measures to make it easier for pensioners to save, spend and invest savings. Both measures are mainly aimed at better off pensioners, who are more likely to be Tory voters, and whose savings have been squeezed by ultra-low interest rates over the last few years.

It is not clear how 'real' these measures are however; the £10 million a year - and only for two years - allocated to fund them is very small. The much hyped-measures to assist parents with childcare costs have also had a mere £25 million a year allocated to them, and has already been dubbed 'au pair benefit' because it seems likely to mainly help the richest parents.

Alongside these cynical electoral ploys, Osborne also announced a number of measures which he claims would encourage the capitalists to invest their profits into developing industry. However, these small measures will not act to significantly increase investment - which has fallen by 20% since 2008. This is not because of a lack of profits - on the contrary just last October government minister Danny Alexander was begging British companies to invest the £500 billion cash pile they are sitting on.

They have not done so because they do not consider it would be sufficiently profitable to do so. Instead the growth in the UK economy is driven by a re-inflating of the financial bubbles that burst to trigger the 2008 crash. The extension of the Help to Buy scheme until 2020 will fuel this, pushing property prices further out of the reach of working class people.

Labour offers no alternative

No worker who has experienced five years of Con-Dem government could be surprised by Osborne's latest cuts budget. The tragedy is that there is no mass party putting an alternative.

Labour has once again shown it is another party of big business and the bankers. While Miliband correctly described Osborne's budget as, 'of the privileged, for the privileged', Labour puts forward nothing fundamentally different.

If Labour was to pledge a mass council house building programme, or an increase in the minimum wage to £10 an hour, it would be massively popular. Instead after five years of Con-Dem misery shadow chancellor Ed Balls has promised further 'ruthless' public spending cuts. Labour has agreed to a cap on benefit spending, and has promised that be 'tougher' on welfare than the Tories.

The 2014 budget is yet more proof that we urgently need to create a political voice that represents the interests of the millions, not the millionaires.

The Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition (TUSC), bringing together trade unionists, socialists and anti-cuts campaigners is a step in that direction. In the local elections on 22 May, TUSC will be contesting more seats than any challenge to the left of Labour in over half a century.

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2014 Budget: Millionaire Osborne dishes out more misery for the majority For the fifth year in a row the budget delivered by multi-millionaire chancellor George Osborne has meted out misery for the majority in Britain. Despite headlines about economic recovery, the budget recognised what even the government's own quango, the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) has been forced to point out, that Britain's economy remains 15% smaller than it would have been had growth continued at pre-recession rates, and that the lost growth is never going to be recovered. As we have repeatedly warned, the government's claims that cuts in public services were essential to cut the national debt have once again been proven to be nonsense as the national debt has continued to rise. Osborne's answer, of course, is to just keep repeating the failed recipe, adding extra austerity. Health service workers, along with others in the public sector, have suffered a 10% pay cut in real terms over the last four years, but are now being told their wages will be squeezed even harder this year. Spending on benefits, including housing benefit and tax credits - already slashed, resulting in a huge increase in hunger and homelessness - is now to be capped. Crumbs A year before the election, the budget did contain a few 'crowd pleasers' but these were overwhelmingly aimed at shoring up the core Tory vote rather than helping the majority. It is true that the point at which workers have to start to pay the basic rate of tax was increased, saving many workers a few hundred pounds a year, while the price of a pint was lowered by a penny, but these puny measures will do nothing to compensate for continued pay restraint. There were some changes to ISAs to help savers, and a number of measures to make it easier for pensioners to save, spend and invest savings. Both measures are mainly aimed at better off pensioners, who are more likely to be Tory voters, and whose savings have been squeezed by ultra-low interest rates over the last few years. It is not clear how 'real' these measures are however; the £10 million a year - and only for two years - allocated to fund them is very small. The much hyped-measures to assist parents with childcare costs have also had a mere £25 million a year allocated to them, and has already been dubbed 'au pair benefit' because it seems likely to mainly help the richest parents. Alongside these cynical electoral ploys, Osborne also announced a number of measures which he claims would encourage the capitalists to invest their profits into developing industry. However, these small measures will not act to significantly increase investment - which has fallen by 20% since 2008. This is not because of a lack of profits - on the contrary just last October government minister Danny Alexander was begging British companies to invest the £500 billion cash pile they are sitting on. They have not done so because they do not consider it would be sufficiently profitable to do so. Instead the growth in the UK economy is driven by a re-inflating of the financial bubbles that burst to trigger the 2008 crash. The extension of the Help to Buy scheme until 2020 will fuel this, pushing property prices further out of the reach of working class people. Labour offers no alternative No worker who has experienced five years of Con-Dem government could be surprised by Osborne's latest cuts budget. The tragedy is that there is no mass party putting an alternative. Labour has once again shown it is another party of big business and the bankers. While Miliband correctly described Osborne's budget as, 'of the privileged, for the privileged', Labour puts forward nothing fundamentally different. If Labour was to pledge a mass council house building programme, or an increase in the minimum wage to £10 an hour, it would be massively popular. Instead after five years of Con-Dem misery shadow chancellor Ed Balls has promised further 'ruthless' public spending cuts. Labour has agreed to a cap on benefit spending, and has promised that be 'tougher' on welfare than the Tories. The 2014 budget is yet more proof that we urgently need to create a political voice that represents the interests of the millions, not the millionaires. The Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition (TUSC), bringing together trade unionists, socialists and anti-cuts campaigners is a step in that direction. In the local elections on 22 May, TUSC will be contesting more seats than any challenge to the left of Labour in over half a century. If Osborne's budget - and Balls bland agreement with it - made you angry - join us! visit: www.socialistparty.o rg.uk SocialistParty.SomersetBranch
  • Score: -5

11:57am Fri 21 Mar 14

SocialistParty.SomersetBranch says...

RollandSmoke wrote:
So tell me this, as a result of this budget are we no longer going to be reading stories of people starving to death in this country? Are the low paid and unemployed no longer going to be reliant on either a foodbank or a payday loan company to keep them alive from one payment to the next?. I think the answer is no they have done nothing to address these problems unless you count the cut in bingo tax to encourage the desperate and gullible to gamble what little they have in the hope of coming away with a little more. The cost of petrol is the only thing keeping molitov cocktails from flying on the streets of Britain and that will only discourage the rioters for so long. The Government knows this which is why they want water cannons on our streets and riot police armed with x-12 taser shotguns. I'm sure there will be a few "all right jacks" who will argue the toss with me but I couldn't give a monkeys about those who are doing alright thank you, I'm disgusted by the sheer numbers of people who are not and are having their circumstances worsened by this Nazi like Government's policies.
Well said Roland!

Your general observations are spot on, in there accuracy!


Whilst we wouldn't totally agree with your characterisation of the unelected coalition of Con-Dem millionaires as 'nazi-like'; your 'tell it how it is' approach is a refreshing alternative voice of opposition to the advocates of capitalist austerity. These advocates and apologists for capitalism claim that even more life-crushing austerity is necessary for the masses whilst at the same time the 85 billionaires own more wealth than 3.5 billion human beings or half the planet's population!

Don't just get angry...get organised! Join the socialists! www.socialistparty.o
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[quote][p][bold]RollandSmoke[/bold] wrote: So tell me this, as a result of this budget are we no longer going to be reading stories of people starving to death in this country? Are the low paid and unemployed no longer going to be reliant on either a foodbank or a payday loan company to keep them alive from one payment to the next?. I think the answer is no they have done nothing to address these problems unless you count the cut in bingo tax to encourage the desperate and gullible to gamble what little they have in the hope of coming away with a little more. The cost of petrol is the only thing keeping molitov cocktails from flying on the streets of Britain and that will only discourage the rioters for so long. The Government knows this which is why they want water cannons on our streets and riot police armed with x-12 taser shotguns. I'm sure there will be a few "all right jacks" who will argue the toss with me but I couldn't give a monkeys about those who are doing alright thank you, I'm disgusted by the sheer numbers of people who are not and are having their circumstances worsened by this Nazi like Government's policies.[/p][/quote]Well said Roland! Your general observations are spot on, in there accuracy! Whilst we wouldn't totally agree with your characterisation of the unelected coalition of Con-Dem millionaires as 'nazi-like'; your 'tell it how it is' approach is a refreshing alternative voice of opposition to the advocates of capitalist austerity. These advocates and apologists for capitalism claim that even more life-crushing austerity is necessary for the masses whilst at the same time the 85 billionaires own more wealth than 3.5 billion human beings or half the planet's population! Don't just get angry...get organised! Join the socialists! www.socialistparty.o rg.uk SocialistParty.SomersetBranch
  • Score: -7

12:24pm Fri 21 Mar 14

good-gosh says...

Have they run out of cider in Somerset?
Have they run out of cider in Somerset? good-gosh
  • Score: 2

5:42am Sun 23 Mar 14

aldermoorboy says...

If we all lived within our means, there would be no problems. It does not matter how rich you are, if you spend more than you earn you have a problem.
Simple.
If we all lived within our means, there would be no problems. It does not matter how rich you are, if you spend more than you earn you have a problem. Simple. aldermoorboy
  • Score: 5

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