Hands off our trains, MP tells southerners

Hands off our trains, MP tells southerners

Hands off our trains, MP tells southerners

First published in Politics The Bolton News: Photograph of the Author by , politics reporter

THE MP for Bolton West has demanded assurances from the government that no more trains will be taken from the north to ease congestion in the south.

Julie Hilling tackled transport minister Patrick McLoughlin on the issue in Parliament, following the announcement nine trains from First Transpennine Express would be re-directed to Chiltern Railways.

Ms Hilling, a driving force behind The Bolton News’ ‘Let’s Get Back On Track’ campaign – which has called for more carriages and a better service on Bolton’s railway service –was speaking during a special committee looking at rail in the north of England last week.

She asked: “Given the loss of nine trains already to the south of England, what steps is the Secretary of State taking to ensure that more trains cannot be taken from Transpennine Express or Northern Rail during the direct award period before the franchise is re-let in 2016?”

Mr McLoughlin, secretary of state for transport, said his government was committed to improving rail services across the north of England.

He added: “I understand very much the case that the honourable lady makes for the services in Bolton, and I am keen to see those services improved and increased.

“As a result of the huge amount of money we are spending on investment in the railway sector, her constituents will get a far better railway in the future than they had under the previous government.”

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8:42am Mon 12 May 14

The Righteous One says...

1. There re no assurances that can be given. The rolling stock are let to the Train Operating Companies from the various leasing companies.
2. The current franchises have just been extended by 20 months of which then there will be a new franchise round and the two franchises, if the rumours are to be correct, will merge into one franchise.
3. The franchises in the South East of England have just been renewed for up to 20 years.
4. If you were the letting company, who would you let to knowing that a longer guaranteed income will help balance the leasing agents books?

That is why the North is losing rolling stock to the South, there is no stability in our franchises and won't be for at least the next 2 years so, of course, the leasing agents are going to favour the Southern train operating companies. This is what is wrong with the franchise and privatise system off British railways. All franchises should be renewed at the same time and the rolling stock should not be up for the highest bidder and the bidder with the long-term franchises. Rolling stock should stay in that part of the country that start operating in, and passed on to the new franchises (if applicable)
1. There re no assurances that can be given. The rolling stock are let to the Train Operating Companies from the various leasing companies. 2. The current franchises have just been extended by 20 months of which then there will be a new franchise round and the two franchises, if the rumours are to be correct, will merge into one franchise. 3. The franchises in the South East of England have just been renewed for up to 20 years. 4. If you were the letting company, who would you let to knowing that a longer guaranteed income will help balance the leasing agents books? That is why the North is losing rolling stock to the South, there is no stability in our franchises and won't be for at least the next 2 years so, of course, the leasing agents are going to favour the Southern train operating companies. This is what is wrong with the franchise and privatise system off British railways. All franchises should be renewed at the same time and the rolling stock should not be up for the highest bidder and the bidder with the long-term franchises. Rolling stock should stay in that part of the country that start operating in, and passed on to the new franchises (if applicable) The Righteous One
  • Score: 5

9:14am Mon 12 May 14

White Rhino says...

The Righteous One wrote:
1. There re no assurances that can be given. The rolling stock are let to the Train Operating Companies from the various leasing companies.
2. The current franchises have just been extended by 20 months of which then there will be a new franchise round and the two franchises, if the rumours are to be correct, will merge into one franchise.
3. The franchises in the South East of England have just been renewed for up to 20 years.
4. If you were the letting company, who would you let to knowing that a longer guaranteed income will help balance the leasing agents books?

That is why the North is losing rolling stock to the South, there is no stability in our franchises and won't be for at least the next 2 years so, of course, the leasing agents are going to favour the Southern train operating companies. This is what is wrong with the franchise and privatise system off British railways. All franchises should be renewed at the same time and the rolling stock should not be up for the highest bidder and the bidder with the long-term franchises. Rolling stock should stay in that part of the country that start operating in, and passed on to the new franchises (if applicable)
If all leases were given to the highest bidders the Northern train companies would not win much, the average fare in the north is so much less than the south which traditionally subsidised other unproitable parts of the network.

This is why it cannot be left to the markets, the system is massively flawed.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: 1. There re no assurances that can be given. The rolling stock are let to the Train Operating Companies from the various leasing companies. 2. The current franchises have just been extended by 20 months of which then there will be a new franchise round and the two franchises, if the rumours are to be correct, will merge into one franchise. 3. The franchises in the South East of England have just been renewed for up to 20 years. 4. If you were the letting company, who would you let to knowing that a longer guaranteed income will help balance the leasing agents books? That is why the North is losing rolling stock to the South, there is no stability in our franchises and won't be for at least the next 2 years so, of course, the leasing agents are going to favour the Southern train operating companies. This is what is wrong with the franchise and privatise system off British railways. All franchises should be renewed at the same time and the rolling stock should not be up for the highest bidder and the bidder with the long-term franchises. Rolling stock should stay in that part of the country that start operating in, and passed on to the new franchises (if applicable)[/p][/quote]If all leases were given to the highest bidders the Northern train companies would not win much, the average fare in the north is so much less than the south which traditionally subsidised other unproitable parts of the network. This is why it cannot be left to the markets, the system is massively flawed. White Rhino
  • Score: 7

12:26pm Mon 12 May 14

The Righteous One says...

Not neccesarily true to the fact that TfGM heavily subsidise the train fare prices in Greater Manchester, hence why people in Lancashire and Blackburn with Darwen travel to their nearest Greater Manchester train station as they can save a hell of lot of money.

All train operating companies are subsidised,, but it is true to say that the train companies that operate within the TfL region are more subsidised than anyone else, and what makes matters worse is that we actually pay for some of their subsidy through our taxes!!!!

But you cannot compare TfL to rest of the UK due to the different regulations/law that reflect Tfl different from the rest of the country! Until that law is balanced and TfL is treated just like any other part of the country then some sort of balance will come through. But, if anything, we need to stop the lottery of the rolling stock and basically Government buys the stock and is given to a franchise, who then pas sit on to whoever wins the franchise next time it is awarded and lets get rid of the leasing companies.
Not neccesarily true to the fact that TfGM heavily subsidise the train fare prices in Greater Manchester, hence why people in Lancashire and Blackburn with Darwen travel to their nearest Greater Manchester train station as they can save a hell of lot of money. All train operating companies are subsidised,, but it is true to say that the train companies that operate within the TfL region are more subsidised than anyone else, and what makes matters worse is that we actually pay for some of their subsidy through our taxes!!!! But you cannot compare TfL to rest of the UK due to the different regulations/law that reflect Tfl different from the rest of the country! Until that law is balanced and TfL is treated just like any other part of the country then some sort of balance will come through. But, if anything, we need to stop the lottery of the rolling stock and basically Government buys the stock and is given to a franchise, who then pas sit on to whoever wins the franchise next time it is awarded and lets get rid of the leasing companies. The Righteous One
  • Score: 5

1:48pm Mon 12 May 14

Jim271 says...

English Rolling Stock for English people only TRO
English Rolling Stock for English people only TRO Jim271
  • Score: -8

2:12pm Mon 12 May 14

The Righteous One says...

Jim271 wrote:
English Rolling Stock for English people only TRO
Ahhh, I see the idiot has arrived!

English rolling stock, no rolling stock is built in England!! They are built in Germany and Italy, with some built in Sweden!
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: English Rolling Stock for English people only TRO[/p][/quote]Ahhh, I see the idiot has arrived! English rolling stock, no rolling stock is built in England!! They are built in Germany and Italy, with some built in Sweden! The Righteous One
  • Score: 6

3:22pm Mon 12 May 14

Jim271 says...

TRO,

Good job its not build in Scotland or Wales then, you are a racist after all.
TRO, Good job its not build in Scotland or Wales then, you are a racist after all. Jim271
  • Score: -8

4:32pm Mon 12 May 14

The Righteous One says...

White Rhino wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
1. There re no assurances that can be given. The rolling stock are let to the Train Operating Companies from the various leasing companies.
2. The current franchises have just been extended by 20 months of which then there will be a new franchise round and the two franchises, if the rumours are to be correct, will merge into one franchise.
3. The franchises in the South East of England have just been renewed for up to 20 years.
4. If you were the letting company, who would you let to knowing that a longer guaranteed income will help balance the leasing agents books?

That is why the North is losing rolling stock to the South, there is no stability in our franchises and won't be for at least the next 2 years so, of course, the leasing agents are going to favour the Southern train operating companies. This is what is wrong with the franchise and privatise system off British railways. All franchises should be renewed at the same time and the rolling stock should not be up for the highest bidder and the bidder with the long-term franchises. Rolling stock should stay in that part of the country that start operating in, and passed on to the new franchises (if applicable)
If all leases were given to the highest bidders the Northern train companies would not win much, the average fare in the north is so much less than the south which traditionally subsidised other unproitable parts of the network.

This is why it cannot be left to the markets, the system is massively flawed.
Be honest who, down south, would want to bid for the Class 142's???

I was down at Victoria Station, London, only 2 weeks ago and whilst I was there should have heard some of the announcements such a train is 12 coaches, such a train is 10 coaches - there was nothing less than 10 coaches! and yet we have too put up with 3 coaches, if we are lucky, or normally 2 coaches!!!! Also most of their trains are only between brand new and 12 years old, compared to most of ours which are between 20 and 30 years old (except TPE whose train are 8 years old and 10 brand new). Its like the allocation of new rolling stock out of 3000 new coaches we are getting 40, midlands are getting 40 and the south east are getting the rest!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]White Rhino[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: 1. There re no assurances that can be given. The rolling stock are let to the Train Operating Companies from the various leasing companies. 2. The current franchises have just been extended by 20 months of which then there will be a new franchise round and the two franchises, if the rumours are to be correct, will merge into one franchise. 3. The franchises in the South East of England have just been renewed for up to 20 years. 4. If you were the letting company, who would you let to knowing that a longer guaranteed income will help balance the leasing agents books? That is why the North is losing rolling stock to the South, there is no stability in our franchises and won't be for at least the next 2 years so, of course, the leasing agents are going to favour the Southern train operating companies. This is what is wrong with the franchise and privatise system off British railways. All franchises should be renewed at the same time and the rolling stock should not be up for the highest bidder and the bidder with the long-term franchises. Rolling stock should stay in that part of the country that start operating in, and passed on to the new franchises (if applicable)[/p][/quote]If all leases were given to the highest bidders the Northern train companies would not win much, the average fare in the north is so much less than the south which traditionally subsidised other unproitable parts of the network. This is why it cannot be left to the markets, the system is massively flawed.[/p][/quote]Be honest who, down south, would want to bid for the Class 142's??? I was down at Victoria Station, London, only 2 weeks ago and whilst I was there should have heard some of the announcements such a train is 12 coaches, such a train is 10 coaches - there was nothing less than 10 coaches! and yet we have too put up with 3 coaches, if we are lucky, or normally 2 coaches!!!! Also most of their trains are only between brand new and 12 years old, compared to most of ours which are between 20 and 30 years old (except TPE whose train are 8 years old and 10 brand new). Its like the allocation of new rolling stock out of 3000 new coaches we are getting 40, midlands are getting 40 and the south east are getting the rest!!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: 4

8:06pm Mon 12 May 14

Southfield 62 says...

“As a result of the huge amount of money we are spending on investment in the railway sector, her constituents will get a far better railway in the future than they had under the previous government" so say's our transport minister.
Whilst I agree that this and previous governments have spent vast amounts of money on the railways, sadly for us in the north, it has all been spent in London and the south east. There is currently a project in northern England, "YES THE WHOLE OF NORTHERN ENGLAND" called the Northern hub. It has a value of 660 million. How does this compare when you look at the money spent in London and the south east. You are looking at 50 billion for HS1, Thameslink, Crossrail 1 and 2, Docklands light railway and so on. That is not to mention HS2 which of course start construction in London first. Fact is, when the HS2 line passes Watford, it will be the first new line built north of there since Victorian times. Not to mention the 2500 new carriages on order for the network of which only 40 will see service in north west England. The great north south divide is never more evident than in the railways. Like the good gent who was at London Victoria, I went watching the Charlton V BWFC match on good friday, I went to Charlton from Cannon Street station where not one train was less than 8 coaches long and far more modern than anything Northern rail posses.
Lets get fracking in the North, keep the tax windfall and buy some new trains.
“As a result of the huge amount of money we are spending on investment in the railway sector, her constituents will get a far better railway in the future than they had under the previous government" so say's our transport minister. Whilst I agree that this and previous governments have spent vast amounts of money on the railways, sadly for us in the north, it has all been spent in London and the south east. There is currently a project in northern England, "YES THE WHOLE OF NORTHERN ENGLAND" called the Northern hub. It has a value of 660 million. How does this compare when you look at the money spent in London and the south east. You are looking at 50 billion for HS1, Thameslink, Crossrail 1 and 2, Docklands light railway and so on. That is not to mention HS2 which of course start construction in London first. Fact is, when the HS2 line passes Watford, it will be the first new line built north of there since Victorian times. Not to mention the 2500 new carriages on order for the network of which only 40 will see service in north west England. The great north south divide is never more evident than in the railways. Like the good gent who was at London Victoria, I went watching the Charlton V BWFC match on good friday, I went to Charlton from Cannon Street station where not one train was less than 8 coaches long and far more modern than anything Northern rail posses. Lets get fracking in the North, keep the tax windfall and buy some new trains. Southfield 62
  • Score: -1

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