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Kerb crawlers talk of their shame

2:34pm Thursday 3rd April 2008

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By Cherry Thomas »

KERB crawlers have spoken of their shame at being confronted over the effects of their actions.

As part of a police crackdown on the vice trade, 35 men have attended new sexual exploitation courses aimed at stamping out the problem.

And some revealed their dread at having to attend the sessions, which revealed how many women are forced into prostitution because of drug or money problems.

The sessions, run jointly with Bolton Council, also reveal the effects on people who live in areas where the vice trade has spread, such as The Haulgh, with problems of noise and anti-social behaviour at night and some women being harrassed in the street.

One man said: "It's quite embarrassing. It preys on your mind. Even if you're not married, it can bring shame on your family as a whole."

Another added: "For the last month, I've thought about this session every single day. You have to take it on the chin and learn from it."

Last month, The Bolton News published excerpts from letters written by those affected by prostitution, which were shown to the men.

When asked why he had chosen to use a prostitute, a third man said: "I was going through difficult times and it was an opportunity, a foolish one, I have regretted since the night it happened."

The men were speaking to BBC radio station Five Live.

Those who attend the sessions are allowed to remain anonymous if they accept a police caution.

Just two of 37 kerb crawlers arrested since November have refused to attend and have been charged after denying the offence. If convicted, they will be named-and-shamed.

Police say the attitude of participants shows the tactics are working. There have been no recorded reoffenders since the scheme began.

Inspector Phil Spurgeon, who led the operation, said: "It has been a successful campaign for us but is just the start and we are not stopping until we get rid of street prostitution in Bolton.

"The work carries on and it's business as usual."

The police say that although it is difficult to measure the level of prostitution in Bolton, it is decreasing.

Insp Spurgeon added: "The problems we had with overspill at Lever Street are pretty much eradicated.

"We have had nothing in the Haulgh for ages and we have really driven down activity in the traditional red light area around Shiffnall Street."

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billy bob, local says...
2:36pm Thu 3 Apr 08

One man said: "It's quite embarrassing. It preys on your mind. Even if you're not married, it can bring shame on your family as a whole."

then why do it you pervert.

Tubby Scruff, says...
2:50pm Thu 3 Apr 08

Name and shame all, married or not.

billy bob, local says...
3:05pm Thu 3 Apr 08

totaly agree,tubbs.front page in the bn, but then again,a chip pan on fire is more likely to make the headlines.

John, says...
3:22pm Thu 3 Apr 08

I don't see any problem with an unmarried man going with a prostitute. The problems that I see are: - Prostitutes not being legalised and not having a proper building/place as abroad. It's the "pimps" who need to be got rid of. If the prostitutes had a proper brothel with rooms to rent, and a medical check each week or two, a lot of them would be off the streets. The police then could then crack down on the illegal prostitutes and the "pimps" who drag them there. I remember a few years ago, while passing the top of Shiffnall Street, 3 big black Mercedes cars driven by Blackmen, race down Bradshawgate and turn into Shiffnall Street narrowly missing me. They didn't give a **** who was in their way. Most likely a bit of a problem with one of their girls. I have never had the need to go with a prostitute but, if I had I would go without shame, as long as it was correctly controlled.

chattykathy, Farnworth says...
3:38pm Thu 3 Apr 08

I find it interesting that there are calls on here to name and shame the kerb-crawlers, yet a notable absence of calls to name and shame the prostitutes. Does the fact that they are publicly flaunting, as opposed to clandestinely conducting, their arguably publicly immoral behaviour excuse them from this kind of public ridicule? No doubt some of them would relish the free advertising, but many are probably not happy with what they are doing. Happy or not, they are well aware of the nature and illegality of what they are doing, and yet they still choose to do it. Yes choose to do it - no arguments about "some women have no choice" - there is always a choice. All too often we hear the tragic stories about why women end up as prostitutes - a fair majority of them originating and ending with personal drug use. Personally I would be less inclined to condemn for example, an ugly bloke who is incapable of pulling a girl, and yet may be perfectly respectable in every other sense, paying for sex; than a drug-using, non-taxpaying sex worker who through her own choices has ended up accepting a fee for sex. At the end of the day, the prosititue and the kerb-crawler are both subject both to the law and a moral code and while people's morals may be different, the law remains the same. Personally I'm not entirely sure whether legalisation or controlling prostitution sends out the right message. Fashion magazines already promote unhealthy images and encourage young girls to abuse their bodies in insane ways; legalising prostitution is just another step of encouraging them to let men do the same in a much more degrading and damaging way.

busybee123, says...
3:47pm Thu 3 Apr 08

why dont the prostitutes go to escort agencys? its safer and you meet the client where your agency tell you were he wants to meet. Thats the better way and keeping these women off the street and these sad men causing a problem.

KFBWFC, bolton says...
3:55pm Thu 3 Apr 08

I'm guessing cos most of them look like a roofer's nail bag.

gazz_ball - Supera Moras!, bolton says...
3:58pm Thu 3 Apr 08

which revealed how many women are forced into prostitution because of drug or money problems.


Behave....forced??? nobody makes you take drugs and sell your body for sex. Everyone with half a brain nows the side effects from taking harsh drugs such as heroin and where you can end up so why take the chance?

Country is far too soft, prostitutes are what they are and I have no sympathy or remorse for them.

I was for the legalisation of it but kathy makes a good point about what views it's sending out which causes me to re-think. A lot of single mothers cope on their own without resorting to this, it's just the weak minded find this the only way. Tough!

carol, bolton says...
4:07pm Thu 3 Apr 08

Make it legal & that they get £6 an hour depending on age ,18 year olds get less ..have health check ups free but pay all taxes etc ..run by the authorities as a descent job ..prospects ?? & in an industrial estate away from homes ..plus clients to be vetted

Big Boy, Warrington says...
4:13pm Thu 3 Apr 08

John wrote:
I don't see any problem with an unmarried man going with a prostitute. The problems that I see are: - Prostitutes not being legalised and not having a proper building/place as abroad. It's the "pimps" who need to be got rid of. If the prostitutes had a proper brothel with rooms to rent, and a medical check each week or two, a lot of them would be off the streets. The police then could then crack down on the illegal prostitutes and the "pimps" who drag them there. I remember a few years ago, while passing the top of Shiffnall Street, 3 big black Mercedes cars driven by Blackmen, race down Bradshawgate and turn into Shiffnall Street narrowly missing me. They didn't give a **** who was in their way. Most likely a bit of a problem with one of their girls. I have never had the need to go with a prostitute but, if I had I would go without shame, as long as it was correctly controlled.
John you said its the PIMPS who need to be got rid of I agree because they live off emoral earnings, but I have said this before who are the biggest pimps its the courts.The police arrest the girls they go to court they get a fine how do they pay the fine PROSTITUTION so the ffine is payed for with emoral earnings

iminbolton, bolton says...
5:38pm Thu 3 Apr 08

busybee123 wrote:
why dont the prostitutes go to escort agencys? its safer and you meet the client where your agency tell you were he wants to meet. Thats the better way and keeping these women off the street and these sad men causing a problem.
Have you seen some of these women that ply their trade on the streets, lots of them are stick thin, gaunt and drug ridden and the real bottom of the stack in the beauty stakes.

I have never visited a prostitute but if I was single and in need I would visit a parlour, but I do think that the government should legalise and monitor parlours and the girls that work in them along with mandatory health checks.

This kind of explains why they won't get taken on at escort agencies!

howfenguy, westhoughton says...
7:02pm Thu 3 Apr 08

being married is a more expensive way of prostitution! you always end up paying for it in the end!

hatemanu, bolton says...
7:04pm Thu 3 Apr 08

Anybody that sad to go with a girl down shifnal ,desrves having there name in paper to warn there wifes and girlfriends . Half of them girls must be ridded with alsorts.

alberto, bolton says...
8:29pm Thu 3 Apr 08

Marrage, after all, is nothing but a legalised form of prostitution.

alberto, bolton says...
8:31pm Thu 3 Apr 08

Marrage, after all, is nothing but a legalised form of prostitution.

kerry, says...
8:36pm Thu 3 Apr 08

chattykathy wrote:
I find it interesting that there are calls on here to name and shame the kerb-crawlers, yet a notable absence of calls to name and shame the prostitutes. Does the fact that they are publicly flaunting, as opposed to clandestinely conducting, their arguably publicly immoral behaviour excuse them from this kind of public ridicule? No doubt some of them would relish the free advertising, but many are probably not happy with what they are doing. Happy or not, they are well aware of the nature and illegality of what they are doing, and yet they still choose to do it. Yes choose to do it - no arguments about "some women have no choice" - there is always a choice. All too often we hear the tragic stories about why women end up as prostitutes - a fair majority of them originating and ending with personal drug use. Personally I would be less inclined to condemn for example, an ugly bloke who is incapable of pulling a girl, and yet may be perfectly respectable in every other sense, paying for sex; than a drug-using, non-taxpaying sex worker who through her own choices has ended up accepting a fee for sex. At the end of the day, the prosititue and the kerb-crawler are both subject both to the law and a moral code and while people's morals may be different, the law remains the same. Personally I'm not entirely sure whether legalisation or controlling prostitution sends out the right message. Fashion magazines already promote unhealthy images and encourage young girls to abuse their bodies in insane ways; legalising prostitution is just another step of encouraging them to let men do the same in a much more degrading and damaging way.
prostitutes have been named and shamed for years and years you fool
without these perverts women wouldent be able walk the streets to fund their drug habbits
NAME AND SHAME THE MEN IS FAIR , LET THEIR MOTHERS DAUGHTERS AND GRANDMOTHERS SEE THEM FOR WHAT THEY REALLY ARE

Jacko, Little Lever says...
9:08pm Thu 3 Apr 08

Good old BNS,go on & on about prostitution but forget about your adverts for massage parlours & escorts!!.GET YOUR HOUSE IN ORDER,BEFORE YOU PRINT THESE STORIES!!!.

Chris, Radcliffe says...
9:30pm Thu 3 Apr 08

John wrote:
I don't see any problem with an unmarried man going with a prostitute. The problems that I see are: - Prostitutes not being legalised and not having a proper building/place as abroad. It's the "pimps" who need to be got rid of. If the prostitutes had a proper brothel with rooms to rent, and a medical check each week or two, a lot of them would be off the streets. The police then could then crack down on the illegal prostitutes and the "pimps" who drag them there. I remember a few years ago, while passing the top of Shiffnall Street, 3 big black Mercedes cars driven by Blackmen, race down Bradshawgate and turn into Shiffnall Street narrowly missing me. They didn't give a **** who was in their way. Most likely a bit of a problem with one of their girls. I have never had the need to go with a prostitute but, if I had I would go without shame, as long as it was correctly controlled.
Blackmen???

I have just checked and it is 2008.

You must not post anything that is abusive, indecent, unlawful or defamatory.

Racist - that's OK.

Montys mum, says...
9:59pm Thu 3 Apr 08

Jacko wrote:
Good old BNS,go on & on about prostitution but forget about your adverts for massage parlours & escorts!!.GET YOUR HOUSE IN ORDER,BEFORE YOU PRINT THESE STORIES!!!.
The escorts and massage parlours are legal, prostitution on the streets is not.Don't shoot the messenger, they are just reporting what they have been told to.

Ali, says...
10:14pm Thu 3 Apr 08

alberto wrote:
Marrage, after all, is nothing but a legalised form of prostitution.
Even if you meant this as a joke, I, and I'm sure others find it offensive.
How dare you make defamatory remarks about marriage.
It's about time you, and some others on this website learnt some respect for women instead of treating them as merely sexual objects.

Jacko, Little Lever says...
10:19pm Thu 3 Apr 08

Montys mum wrote:
Jacko wrote: Good old BNS,go on & on about prostitution but forget about your adverts for massage parlours & escorts!!.GET YOUR HOUSE IN ORDER,BEFORE YOU PRINT THESE STORIES!!!.
The escorts and massage parlours are legal, prostitution on the streets is not.Don't shoot the messenger, they are just reporting what they have been told to.
Whats the difference,its prostitution isnt it?.

Montys mum, says...
10:27pm Thu 3 Apr 08

Hey I don't make the rules. I'm just telling it as it is.

amosc99, Hoofdorp says...
10:35pm Thu 3 Apr 08

Reader Poll
Would legalising brothels end vice trade problems?

This is avery obtuse question. Legalising would help the safety of the girls (and their health with very frequent checks) and punters (best examples are those in The Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, Austria and even Australia. It even brings money in for the government - through taxes.

BUT, and this is a big butt (sorry couldn't resist!!)

Would it end vice trade problems - NO. Pimps would still be around, street prositution would be sent underground (as it has in the example countries above) etc...

On the whole - it is a very unfair and unbalanced question. I answered NO because it wouldn't help with the vice trade problems only with street prostituion (to a degree)!

Jacko, Little Lever says...
10:38pm Thu 3 Apr 08

The fact is,the BOLTON NEWS advertises prostitutes!.

Paulaner, München says...
6:05am Fri 4 Apr 08

kerry wrote:
chattykathy wrote: I find it interesting that there are calls on here to name and shame the kerb-crawlers, yet a notable absence of calls to name and shame the prostitutes. Does the fact that they are publicly flaunting, as opposed to clandestinely conducting, their arguably publicly immoral behaviour excuse them from this kind of public ridicule? No doubt some of them would relish the free advertising, but many are probably not happy with what they are doing. Happy or not, they are well aware of the nature and illegality of what they are doing, and yet they still choose to do it. Yes choose to do it - no arguments about "some women have no choice" - there is always a choice. All too often we hear the tragic stories about why women end up as prostitutes - a fair majority of them originating and ending with personal drug use. Personally I would be less inclined to condemn for example, an ugly bloke who is incapable of pulling a girl, and yet may be perfectly respectable in every other sense, paying for sex; than a drug-using, non-taxpaying sex worker who through her own choices has ended up accepting a fee for sex. At the end of the day, the prosititue and the kerb-crawler are both subject both to the law and a moral code and while people's morals may be different, the law remains the same. Personally I'm not entirely sure whether legalisation or controlling prostitution sends out the right message. Fashion magazines already promote unhealthy images and encourage young girls to abuse their bodies in insane ways; legalising prostitution is just another step of encouraging them to let men do the same in a much more degrading and damaging way.
prostitutes have been named and shamed for years and years you fool without these perverts women wouldent be able walk the streets to fund their drug habbits NAME AND SHAME THE MEN IS FAIR , LET THEIR MOTHERS DAUGHTERS AND GRANDMOTHERS SEE THEM FOR WHAT THEY REALLY ARE
So, men wanting sex are perverts ? Well then nearly all men are perverts ! Of course if you take these 'perverts' away, then there would be no customers for the prostitutes. No customers means no drug money. No drug money means finding another way to get the drug money, which means the prostitutes pimp/boyfriend will mug an old lady or rob someones house. Who then becomes the victim ?

siftasam, Bury says...
9:46am Fri 4 Apr 08

The more drug addicts there are selling their bodies on Shifnall St., the more punters will be tempted to drive down there. If the police went after the drug dealers instead of the punters, there would be fewer drug addicts and fewer punters. The main drug dealing gangs in Bolton and Great Lever, 'Sunshine', 'Indian', 'Morgan' et al, have been around for years, so why not go after them? Could it be that they've got the money and the punters haven't? Could it be that they've got the guns and the punters haven't?

starspangledbanner, Little lever says...
9:26pm Sun 13 Apr 08

chattykathy wrote:
I find it interesting that there are calls on here to name and shame the kerb-crawlers, yet a notable absence of calls to name and shame the prostitutes. Does the fact that they are publicly flaunting, as opposed to clandestinely conducting, their arguably publicly immoral behaviour excuse them from this kind of public ridicule? No doubt some of them would relish the free advertising, but many are probably not happy with what they are doing. Happy or not, they are well aware of the nature and illegality of what they are doing, and yet they still choose to do it. Yes choose to do it - no arguments about "some women have no choice" - there is always a choice. All too often we hear the tragic stories about why women end up as prostitutes - a fair majority of them originating and ending with personal drug use. Personally I would be less inclined to condemn for example, an ugly bloke who is incapable of pulling a girl, and yet may be perfectly respectable in every other sense, paying for sex; than a drug-using, non-taxpaying sex worker who through her own choices has ended up accepting a fee for sex. At the end of the day, the prosititue and the kerb-crawler are both subject both to the law and a moral code and while people's morals may be different, the law remains the same. Personally I'm not entirely sure whether legalisation or controlling prostitution sends out the right message. Fashion magazines already promote unhealthy images and encourage young girls to abuse their bodies in insane ways; legalising prostitution is just another step of encouraging them to let men do the same in a much more degrading and damaging way.
when prositutes are taken to court - they ARE NAMED AND SHAMED - however theres far more kerb crawling punters down shiffnal street than working girls, if you count the beans - far more of a result naming the frequenters of those working prostitues, At least they go down shiffnal street - what about the male prostitues (rent boys) stood around in bolton town centre, talk about balls of steel.

Another writer wrote

One man said: "It's quite embarrassing. It preys on your mind. Even if you're not married, it can bring shame on your family as a whole."
-then why do it????? MAkes one shudder at the though of what it is theyre doing with thier hired help that they can't do with their own partners - for decency sakes?

I'm glad clients are named and shamed - personally i'd look at the names and mug shots and see if its my partner - he'd be so gone.



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