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Teachers walk out on strike
THOUSANDS of school pupils spent the day at home today as teachers across Bolton walked out on strike.
A day of industrial action forced the closure of 43 schools across the borough, with a further 23 partially affected.
The teachers, all members of the National Union of Teachers (NUT) walked out in a row over pay.
They claim a series of below-inflation wage rises over the last few years have led to a real-terms pay cut.
Pickets were staged at Haywood School in Lever Edge Lane, Great Lever, and outside Bolton Community College, where staff were staging a separate strike over pay.
Andi Peters, a history teacher at Haywood School, said: "It's a shame it had to come to this. The pay offer is ridiculous and we were left with no choice but to take strike action. We've had a lot of support from parents and pupils."
A rally, attended by almost 200 teachers, was held in the lecture theatre at Bolton Library.
Ian Parkinson, president of the NUT in Bolton, said: "We are here because we care about society, about our children and about our future society as well as ourselves. It makes me so sad when I think about the Labour mantra education, education, education'."
NUT leaders say the three-year deal of 2.45 per cent from September and rises of 2.3 per cent in subsequent years, which has been offered to teachers, is a pay cut.
1:19pm Thursday 24th April 2008
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CommentPosted by: Mr Cooper, Derbyshire on 2:40pm Thu 24 Apr 08
When I was a lad, I think the pay disputes might have been justified, after years of Government neglect, but not in today's climate - after 10 years of extreme investment in Education.
Still, if Teaching is attracting ex-television superstars such as Andi Peters, it can't be all bad.
When I was a lad, I think the pay disputes might have been justified, after years of Government neglect, but not in today's climate - after 10 years of extreme investment in Education.
Still, if Teaching is attracting ex-television superstars such as Andi Peters, it can't be all bad.
Posted by: Anti-PC, Bury on 2:57pm Thu 24 Apr 08
If this strike helps to clear the roads of school run mums at 9am and 3.30pm for those who really need the roads, they can stay on strike for good as far as I'm concerned.
If this strike helps to clear the roads of school run mums at 9am and 3.30pm for those who really need the roads, they can stay on strike for good as far as I'm concerned.
Posted by: Mr Cooper, Derbyshire on 3:06pm Thu 24 Apr 08
With all those 'interactive whiteboards' being switched off, we are half-way to saving the planet as well.
With all those 'interactive whiteboards' being switched off, we are half-way to saving the planet as well.
Posted by: Mr Cooper, Derbyshire on 3:10pm Thu 24 Apr 08
Plug-in air freshener
Electronic photoframe
DVD 'board games'
Lights in your trainers
Anyone else think of best pointless inventions?
My laptop doesn't count.
Plug-in air freshener
Electronic photoframe
DVD 'board games'
Lights in your trainers
Anyone else think of best pointless inventions?
My laptop doesn't count.
Posted by: Mr Cooper, Derbyshire on 3:11pm Thu 24 Apr 08
Or my pacemaker.
Posted by: Tommy on 3:28pm Thu 24 Apr 08
Interactive Whiteboards are a godsend, my friend. Having spent 4 years at Uni plonked infront of them, I can tell you they add a whole new dimension to learning.
You can only do so much with chalk and a blackboard.
Interactive Whiteboards are a godsend, my friend. Having spent 4 years at Uni plonked infront of them, I can tell you they add a whole new dimension to learning.
You can only do so much with chalk and a blackboard.
Posted by: Mr Cooper, Derbyshire on 3:51pm Thu 24 Apr 08
I'd guess we've found the explanation for exam results getting better every year then.
That's that one put to bed.
Right let's crack on with sorting out this credit crunch business.
I'd guess we've found the explanation for exam results getting better every year then.
That's that one put to bed.
Right let's crack on with sorting out this credit crunch business.
Posted by: IWillShareTheTruth, Cyberspace on 3:52pm Thu 24 Apr 08
[italic]Pickets were staged at Haywood School in Lever Edge Lane, Great Lever[/italic]
Judging by some of the unwashed miscreants who attend that place, to call these people "teachers", is frankly laughable. I was unfortunate enough to live near that school for a while, teachers were not interested when I complained about pupils behaviour.
If teaching is so poorly paid, get a job in the real world!
Pickets were staged at Haywood School in Lever Edge Lane, Great Lever
Judging by some of the unwashed miscreants who attend that place, to call these people "teachers", is frankly laughable. I was unfortunate enough to live near that school for a while, teachers were not interested when I complained about pupils behaviour.
If teaching is so poorly paid, get a job in the real world!
Posted by: Kay on 4:24pm Thu 24 Apr 08
I work in a school and I see how hard the teachers work at planning their work to differentiate for all the ability groups. This is on top of the ever changing curriculum that the government keeps changing every few years and all the assessing and observing that is required. Teachers deserve a much higher pay rise than they are being offered.
P.S. will people ever learn not to make disrespectful comments on these pages. Comments have been suspended once because of this. Please keep those kind of comments to yourselves and stick to the topic in hand. Thank you
I work in a school and I see how hard the teachers work at planning their work to differentiate for all the ability groups. This is on top of the ever changing curriculum that the government keeps changing every few years and all the assessing and observing that is required. Teachers deserve a much higher pay rise than they are being offered.
P.S. will people ever learn not to make disrespectful comments on these pages. Comments have been suspended once because of this. Please keep those kind of comments to yourselves and stick to the topic in hand. Thank you
Posted by: Ali on 5:29pm Thu 24 Apr 08
Mr Cooper, you make me laugh every time, no matter which subject you comment on you never fail to find my funny bone!
Mr Cooper, you make me laugh every time, no matter which subject you comment on you never fail to find my funny bone!
Posted by: chas, suffolk on 5:30pm Thu 24 Apr 08
There are plenty of well educated eastern Europeans, who would do the job for half the wage.
There are plenty of well educated eastern Europeans, who would do the job for half the wage.
Posted by: IWillShareTheTruth, Cyberspace on 6:41pm Thu 24 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Kay[/bold] wrote:
I work in a school and I see how hard the teachers work at planning their work to differentiate for all the ability groups. This is on top of the ever changing curriculum that the government keeps changing every few years and all the assessing and observing that is required. Teachers deserve a much higher pay rise than they are being offered. P.S. will people ever learn not to make disrespectful comments on these pages. Comments have been suspended once because of this. Please keep those kind of comments to yourselves and stick to the topic in hand. Thank you[/quote] I've read these comments Kay and which ones are disrespectful? People are entitled to their opinions aren't they?
I have no time for teachers, I could name and shame many on here, but it would be liablous to do so.
I reiterate my earlier point - if the money paid is not deemed good enough, go and work in private industry!
My wife is a nurse and what they get paid is worse than teachers, but you do not seem that profession striking and causing misery for parents. I am not a parent myself, but even I think it stinks that teachers can cause mass inconvenience.
Kay wrote:
I work in a school and I see how hard the teachers work at planning their work to differentiate for all the ability groups. This is on top of the ever changing curriculum that the government keeps changing every few years and all the assessing and observing that is required. Teachers deserve a much higher pay rise than they are being offered. P.S. will people ever learn not to make disrespectful comments on these pages. Comments have been suspended once because of this. Please keep those kind of comments to yourselves and stick to the topic in hand. Thank you
I've read these comments Kay and which ones are disrespectful? People are entitled to their opinions aren't they?
I have no time for teachers, I could name and shame many on here, but it would be liablous to do so.
I reiterate my earlier point - if the money paid is not deemed good enough, go and work in private industry!
My wife is a nurse and what they get paid is worse than teachers, but you do not seem that profession striking and causing misery for parents. I am not a parent myself, but even I think it stinks that teachers can cause mass inconvenience.
Posted by: billyboy, bolton on 9:08pm Thu 24 Apr 08
teachers are on strike because they say the pay increase is more like a pay cut. what about the nursery nurses the N.N.E.B's who have had a pay cut, reduced from level 4 £16000 to level 2 £12500 a true wage cut. yet no nursery or primary could function without these dedicated individuals .newly qualified teachers would be lost without them as would the more experienced. this has gone by unnoticed a true crime against dedicated proffesionals.
teachers are on strike because they say the pay increase is more like a pay cut. what about the nursery nurses the N.N.E.B's who have had a pay cut, reduced from level 4 £16000 to level 2 £12500 a true wage cut. yet no nursery or primary could function without these dedicated individuals .newly qualified teachers would be lost without them as would the more experienced. this has gone by unnoticed a true crime against dedicated proffesionals.
Posted by: billyboy, bolton on 9:10pm Thu 24 Apr 08
teachers are on strike because they say the pay increase is more like a pay cut. what about the nursery nurses the N.N.E.B's who have had a pay cut, reduced from level 4 £16000 to level 2 £12500 a true wage cut. yet no nursery or primary could function without these dedicated individuals .newly qualified teachers would be lost without them as would the more experienced. this has gone by unnoticed a true crime against dedicated proffesionals.
teachers are on strike because they say the pay increase is more like a pay cut. what about the nursery nurses the N.N.E.B's who have had a pay cut, reduced from level 4 £16000 to level 2 £12500 a true wage cut. yet no nursery or primary could function without these dedicated individuals .newly qualified teachers would be lost without them as would the more experienced. this has gone by unnoticed a true crime against dedicated proffesionals.
Posted by: abbott71, bolton on 9:19pm Thu 24 Apr 08
theres a few people on this website who need to wake up and smell the coffee....
teachers are striking because they are under paid,the same as every other public sector worker.....from teachers to Police officers..... i have no doubt that someone will write"well if you dont like it get a different job!"what i would say to that person is can you do the public service jobs....????teachers
,nurses,fire,ambulan
ce,police...armed force????i do and all i ask is to paid a respectable wage for what i do!
the same as every other worker in the country........
theres a few people on this website who need to wake up and smell the coffee....
teachers are striking because they are under paid,the same as every other public sector worker.....from teachers to Police officers..... i have no doubt that someone will write"well if you dont like it get a different job!"what i would say to that person is can you do the public service jobs....????teachers
,nurses,fire,ambulan
ce,police...armed force????i do and all i ask is to paid a respectable wage for what i do!
the same as every other worker in the country........
Posted by: Lancashire73, Bolton on 9:52pm Thu 24 Apr 08
[quote][bold]chas[/bold] wrote:
There are plenty of well educated eastern Europeans, who would do the job for half the wage.[/quote] Chas, your obvious lack of education is a more convincing argument than anything I have heard from the teachers today.
chas wrote:
There are plenty of well educated eastern Europeans, who would do the job for half the wage.
Chas, your obvious lack of education is a more convincing argument than anything I have heard from the teachers today.
Posted by: billyboy, bolton on 9:54pm Thu 24 Apr 08
teachers are on strike because they say the pay increase is more like a pay cut. what about the nursery nurses the N.N.E.B's who have had a pay cut, reduced from level 4 £16000 to level 2 £12500 a true wage cut. yet no nursery or primary could function without these dedicated individuals .newly qualified teachers would be lost without them as would the more experienced. this has gone by unnoticed a true crime against dedicated proffesionals.
teachers are on strike because they say the pay increase is more like a pay cut. what about the nursery nurses the N.N.E.B's who have had a pay cut, reduced from level 4 £16000 to level 2 £12500 a true wage cut. yet no nursery or primary could function without these dedicated individuals .newly qualified teachers would be lost without them as would the more experienced. this has gone by unnoticed a true crime against dedicated proffesionals.
Posted by: billyboy, bolton on 9:56pm Thu 24 Apr 08
teachers are on strike because they say the pay increase is more like a pay cut. what about the nursery nurses the N.N.E.B's who have had a pay cut, reduced from level 4 £16000 to level 2 £12500 a true wage cut. yet no nursery or primary could function without these dedicated individuals .newly qualified teachers would be lost without them as would the more experienced. this has gone by unnoticed a true crime against dedicated proffesionals.
teachers are on strike because they say the pay increase is more like a pay cut. what about the nursery nurses the N.N.E.B's who have had a pay cut, reduced from level 4 £16000 to level 2 £12500 a true wage cut. yet no nursery or primary could function without these dedicated individuals .newly qualified teachers would be lost without them as would the more experienced. this has gone by unnoticed a true crime against dedicated proffesionals.
Posted by: billyboy, bolton on 10:00pm Thu 24 Apr 08
teachers are on strike because they say the pay increase is more like a pay cut. what about the nursery nurses the N.N.E.B's who have had a pay cut, reduced from level 4 £16000 to level 2 £12500 a true wage cut. yet no nursery or primary could function without these dedicated individuals .newly qualified teachers would be lost without them as would the more experienced. this has gone by unnoticed a true crime against dedicated proffesionals.
teachers are on strike because they say the pay increase is more like a pay cut. what about the nursery nurses the N.N.E.B's who have had a pay cut, reduced from level 4 £16000 to level 2 £12500 a true wage cut. yet no nursery or primary could function without these dedicated individuals .newly qualified teachers would be lost without them as would the more experienced. this has gone by unnoticed a true crime against dedicated proffesionals.
Posted by: Lancashire73, Bolton on 10:01pm Thu 24 Apr 08
[quote][bold]IWillShareTheTruth[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Kay[/bold] wrote: I work in a school and I see how hard the teachers work at planning their work to differentiate for all the ability groups. This is on top of the ever changing curriculum that the government keeps changing every few years and all the assessing and observing that is required. Teachers deserve a much higher pay rise than they are being offered. P.S. will people ever learn not to make disrespectful comments on these pages. Comments have been suspended once because of this. Please keep those kind of comments to yourselves and stick to the topic in hand. Thank you[/quote] I've read these comments Kay and which ones are disrespectful? People are entitled to their opinions aren't they? I have no time for teachers, I could name and shame many on here, but it would be liablous to do so. I reiterate my earlier point - if the money paid is not deemed good enough, go and work in private industry! My wife is a nurse and what they get paid is worse than teachers, but you do not seem that profession striking and causing misery for parents. I am not a parent myself, but even I think it stinks that teachers can cause mass inconvenience.[/quote] One or two simple questions. How did you learn to read? Who taught you this fairly important skill? Is it fair that the person who taught you to do that gets paid so little? If teachers all 'go and work in private industry' who will educate the next generation? I could go on but you obviously want to live in a world in which someone who works night and day to educate people, is valued less than someone who (for example) sells you a mobile phone. If your 'naming and shaming' is true, how could it be liablous? If teaching is such a doddle, why do 50% of new teachers quit in the first 3 years?
IWillShareTheTruth wrote:
Kay wrote: I work in a school and I see how hard the teachers work at planning their work to differentiate for all the ability groups. This is on top of the ever changing curriculum that the government keeps changing every few years and all the assessing and observing that is required. Teachers deserve a much higher pay rise than they are being offered. P.S. will people ever learn not to make disrespectful comments on these pages. Comments have been suspended once because of this. Please keep those kind of comments to yourselves and stick to the topic in hand. Thank you
I've read these comments Kay and which ones are disrespectful? People are entitled to their opinions aren't they? I have no time for teachers, I could name and shame many on here, but it would be liablous to do so. I reiterate my earlier point - if the money paid is not deemed good enough, go and work in private industry! My wife is a nurse and what they get paid is worse than teachers, but you do not seem that profession striking and causing misery for parents. I am not a parent myself, but even I think it stinks that teachers can cause mass inconvenience.
One or two simple questions. How did you learn to read? Who taught you this fairly important skill? Is it fair that the person who taught you to do that gets paid so little? If teachers all 'go and work in private industry' who will educate the next generation? I could go on but you obviously want to live in a world in which someone who works night and day to educate people, is valued less than someone who (for example) sells you a mobile phone. If your 'naming and shaming' is true, how could it be liablous? If teaching is such a doddle, why do 50% of new teachers quit in the first 3 years?
Posted by: chas, suffolk on 10:05pm Thu 24 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Lancashire73[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]chas[/bold] wrote: There are plenty of well educated eastern Europeans, who would do the job for half the wage.[/quote] Chas, your obvious lack of education is a more convincing argument than anything I have heard from the teachers today. [/quote] So you know all about my education. My son is a plumber and eastern Europeans have come over here, pinching the jobs of English plumbers and builders, by taking less pay.
Lancashire73 wrote:
chas wrote: There are plenty of well educated eastern Europeans, who would do the job for half the wage.
Chas, your obvious lack of education is a more convincing argument than anything I have heard from the teachers today.
So you know all about my education. My son is a plumber and eastern Europeans have come over here, pinching the jobs of English plumbers and builders, by taking less pay.
Posted by: Lancashire73, Bolton on 10:08pm Thu 24 Apr 08
[quote][bold]chas[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Lancashire73[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]chas[/bold] wrote: There are plenty of well educated eastern Europeans, who would do the job for half the wage.[/quote] Chas, your obvious lack of education is a more convincing argument than anything I have heard from the teachers today. [/quote] So you know all about my education. My son is a plumber and eastern Europeans have come over here, pinching the jobs of English plumbers and builders, by taking less pay. [/quote] What is your point?
chas wrote:
Lancashire73 wrote: chas wrote: There are plenty of well educated eastern Europeans, who would do the job for half the wage.
Chas, your obvious lack of education is a more convincing argument than anything I have heard from the teachers today.
So you know all about my education. My son is a plumber and eastern Europeans have come over here, pinching the jobs of English plumbers and builders, by taking less pay.
What is your point?
Posted by: chas, suffolk on 10:13pm Thu 24 Apr 08
Lancashire73
I would have thought that even a teacher could work that out.
Lancashire73
I would have thought that even a teacher could work that out.
Posted by: Lancashire73, Bolton on 10:17pm Thu 24 Apr 08
It isn't my fault that you've started jibbering about Eastern Europeans 'pinching jobs.' You need to make your points clearer then I'd get it. Maybe if teachers had been paid more in your day you'd be able to express yourself clearly.
It isn't my fault that you've started jibbering about Eastern Europeans 'pinching jobs.' You need to make your points clearer then I'd get it. Maybe if teachers had been paid more in your day you'd be able to express yourself clearly.
Posted by: Sun Tzu on 10:19pm Thu 24 Apr 08
How do teachers and other public sector workers expect other hard pressed tax payers to find these increases?
As the cost of living increases by the week, many people are finding it harder and harder to make ends meet.
Teachers on average are getting £33,000pa. This is more than a living wage. If they can't get by on this they are overspending. Many lower paid workers are struggling to pay escalating fuel bills and housing costs. If these increases are paid for by an increase in tax some of these people will find themselves in danger of losing their homes in order to keep teachers in a style they have become accustomed to.
How do teachers and other public sector workers expect other hard pressed tax payers to find these increases?
As the cost of living increases by the week, many people are finding it harder and harder to make ends meet.
Teachers on average are getting £33,000pa. This is more than a living wage. If they can't get by on this they are overspending. Many lower paid workers are struggling to pay escalating fuel bills and housing costs. If these increases are paid for by an increase in tax some of these people will find themselves in danger of losing their homes in order to keep teachers in a style they have become accustomed to.
Posted by: chas, suffolk on 10:21pm Thu 24 Apr 08
It's not my fault that you cannot understand English. Perhaps it's my accent?
It's not my fault that you cannot understand English. Perhaps it's my accent?
Posted by: Lancashire73, Bolton on 10:26pm Thu 24 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Sun Tzu[/bold] wrote:
How do teachers and other public sector workers expect other hard pressed tax payers to find these increases? As the cost of living increases by the week, many people are finding it harder and harder to make ends meet. Teachers on average are getting £33,000pa. This is more than a living wage. If they can't get by on this they are overspending. Many lower paid workers are struggling to pay escalating fuel bills and housing costs. If these increases are paid for by an increase in tax some of these people will find themselves in danger of losing their homes in order to keep teachers in a style they have become accustomed to.[/quote] Point 1: Your average teacher does not get 33K - fact. Point 2: My local GP gets 100K.(My taxes pay for that too). Point 3: Ever heard the saying - pay peaunts, get monkeys? Does it bother anyone that we are talking about cutting corners with education. We are talking about lives - it is not the same as putting tins on shelves, it has got to be done correctly.
Sun Tzu wrote:
How do teachers and other public sector workers expect other hard pressed tax payers to find these increases? As the cost of living increases by the week, many people are finding it harder and harder to make ends meet. Teachers on average are getting £33,000pa. This is more than a living wage. If they can't get by on this they are overspending. Many lower paid workers are struggling to pay escalating fuel bills and housing costs. If these increases are paid for by an increase in tax some of these people will find themselves in danger of losing their homes in order to keep teachers in a style they have become accustomed to.
Point 1: Your average teacher does not get 33K - fact. Point 2: My local GP gets 100K.(My taxes pay for that too). Point 3: Ever heard the saying - pay peaunts, get monkeys? Does it bother anyone that we are talking about cutting corners with education. We are talking about lives - it is not the same as putting tins on shelves, it has got to be done correctly.
Posted by: chas, suffolk on 10:32pm Thu 24 Apr 08
Guardian 2007.
Mid-career average salary for a nurse £26,110
· Mid career average salary for firefighter £27,876
· Mid career average salary for police officer £35,578
· Mid career average salary for a teacher £33,361
Guardian 2007.
Mid-career average salary for a nurse £26,110
· Mid career average salary for firefighter £27,876
· Mid career average salary for police officer £35,578
· Mid career average salary for a teacher £33,361
Posted by: Sun Tzu on 10:36pm Thu 24 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Lancashire73[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Sun Tzu[/bold] wrote:
How do teachers and other public sector workers expect other hard pressed tax payers to find these increases? As the cost of living increases by the week, many people are finding it harder and harder to make ends meet. Teachers on average are getting £33,000pa. This is more than a living wage. If they can't get by on this they are overspending. Many lower paid workers are struggling to pay escalating fuel bills and housing costs. If these increases are paid for by an increase in tax some of these people will find themselves in danger of losing their homes in order to keep teachers in a style they have become accustomed to.[/quote] Point 1: Your average teacher does not get 33K - fact. Point 2: My local GP gets 100K.(My taxes pay for that too). Point 3: Ever heard the saying - pay peaunts, get monkeys? Does it bother anyone that we are talking about cutting corners with education. We are talking about lives - it is not the same as putting tins on shelves, it has got to be done correctly. [/quote] Newly qualified teachers are paid between 20k and 30k headteachers can be paid as much as 100k even the lowest paid are on more than the average for Bolton.
Good teachers are good teachers regardless of what they are paid.
If anything too much has been plowed into education under Labour. They have used further education as a way to keep unemployment figures down. I suspect a lot of teaching posts will disappear completely as our economy goes down the pan.
Teachers need to wake up and smell the coffee. It makes no difference what a person thinks they are worth if the money ain't there to pay then they aren't worth it.
Simple economics lessons for teachers might be in order I think.
Lancashire73 wrote:
Sun Tzu wrote:
How do teachers and other public sector workers expect other hard pressed tax payers to find these increases? As the cost of living increases by the week, many people are finding it harder and harder to make ends meet. Teachers on average are getting £33,000pa. This is more than a living wage. If they can't get by on this they are overspending. Many lower paid workers are struggling to pay escalating fuel bills and housing costs. If these increases are paid for by an increase in tax some of these people will find themselves in danger of losing their homes in order to keep teachers in a style they have become accustomed to.
Point 1: Your average teacher does not get 33K - fact. Point 2: My local GP gets 100K.(My taxes pay for that too). Point 3: Ever heard the saying - pay peaunts, get monkeys? Does it bother anyone that we are talking about cutting corners with education. We are talking about lives - it is not the same as putting tins on shelves, it has got to be done correctly.
Newly qualified teachers are paid between 20k and 30k headteachers can be paid as much as 100k even the lowest paid are on more than the average for Bolton.
Good teachers are good teachers regardless of what they are paid.
If anything too much has been plowed into education under Labour. They have used further education as a way to keep unemployment figures down. I suspect a lot of teaching posts will disappear completely as our economy goes down the pan.
Teachers need to wake up and smell the coffee. It makes no difference what a person thinks they are worth if the money ain't there to pay then they aren't worth it.
Simple economics lessons for teachers might be in order I think.
Posted by: Lancashire73, Bolton on 10:37pm Thu 24 Apr 08
[quote][bold]chas[/bold] wrote:
Guardian 2007. Mid-career average salary for a nurse £26,110 · Mid career average salary for firefighter £27,876 · Mid career average salary for police officer £35,578 · Mid career average salary for a teacher £33,361 [/quote] This figure includes all teachers who are not Headteachers or Deputy Headteachers. So, this includes people who are heads of departments, heads of year, etc. Not your average teacher. Unlucky.
chas wrote:
Guardian 2007. Mid-career average salary for a nurse £26,110 · Mid career average salary for firefighter £27,876 · Mid career average salary for police officer £35,578 · Mid career average salary for a teacher £33,361
This figure includes all teachers who are not Headteachers or Deputy Headteachers. So, this includes people who are heads of departments, heads of year, etc. Not your average teacher. Unlucky.
Posted by: Sun Tzu on 10:39pm Thu 24 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Lancashire73[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]chas[/bold] wrote:
Guardian 2007. Mid-career average salary for a nurse £26,110 · Mid career average salary for firefighter £27,876 · Mid career average salary for police officer £35,578 · Mid career average salary for a teacher £33,361 [/quote] This figure includes all teachers who are not Headteachers or Deputy Headteachers. So, this includes people who are heads of departments, heads of year, etc. Not your average teacher. Unlucky.[/quote] 20k - 30k for newly qualified teachers. It's not minimum wage.
Lancashire73 wrote:
chas wrote:
Guardian 2007. Mid-career average salary for a nurse £26,110 · Mid career average salary for firefighter £27,876 · Mid career average salary for police officer £35,578 · Mid career average salary for a teacher £33,361
This figure includes all teachers who are not Headteachers or Deputy Headteachers. So, this includes people who are heads of departments, heads of year, etc. Not your average teacher. Unlucky.
20k - 30k for newly qualified teachers. It's not minimum wage.
Posted by: chas, suffolk on 10:42pm Thu 24 Apr 08
Lancashire73
If you want more money why don't you try harder. Instead of being average, work harder and become head of year or head of department and then look higher.
Lancashire73
If you want more money why don't you try harder. Instead of being average, work harder and become head of year or head of department and then look higher.
Posted by: Lancashire73, Bolton on 10:44pm Thu 24 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Sun Tzu[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Lancashire73[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]chas[/bold] wrote: Guardian 2007. Mid-career average salary for a nurse £26,110 · Mid career average salary for firefighter £27,876 · Mid career average salary for police officer £35,578 · Mid career average salary for a teacher £33,361 [/quote] This figure includes all teachers who are not Headteachers or Deputy Headteachers. So, this includes people who are heads of departments, heads of year, etc. Not your average teacher. Unlucky.[/quote] 20k - 30k for newly qualified teachers. It's not minimum wage.[/quote] If you don't value the job that teachers do, who should be paid well in our society? I'd prefer my kids to be taught by someone highly skilled. Believe it not highly skilled people will not work as teachers if industry offers them tens of thousands more - nice thought but they won't and I don't blame them.
Sun Tzu wrote:
Lancashire73 wrote: chas wrote: Guardian 2007. Mid-career average salary for a nurse £26,110 · Mid career average salary for firefighter £27,876 · Mid career average salary for police officer £35,578 · Mid career average salary for a teacher £33,361
This figure includes all teachers who are not Headteachers or Deputy Headteachers. So, this includes people who are heads of departments, heads of year, etc. Not your average teacher. Unlucky.
20k - 30k for newly qualified teachers. It's not minimum wage.
If you don't value the job that teachers do, who should be paid well in our society? I'd prefer my kids to be taught by someone highly skilled. Believe it not highly skilled people will not work as teachers if industry offers them tens of thousands more - nice thought but they won't and I don't blame them.
Posted by: Sun Tzu on 10:48pm Thu 24 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Lancashire73[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Sun Tzu[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Lancashire73[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]chas[/bold] wrote: Guardian 2007. Mid-career average salary for a nurse £26,110 · Mid career average salary for firefighter £27,876 · Mid career average salary for police officer £35,578 · Mid career average salary for a teacher £33,361 [/quote] This figure includes all teachers who are not Headteachers or Deputy Headteachers. So, this includes people who are heads of departments, heads of year, etc. Not your average teacher. Unlucky.[/quote] 20k - 30k for newly qualified teachers. It's not minimum wage.[/quote] If you don't value the job that teachers do, who should be paid well in our society? I'd prefer my kids to be taught by someone highly skilled. Believe it not highly skilled people will not work as teachers if industry offers them tens of thousands more - nice thought but they won't and I don't blame them.[/quote] Our country is facing an economic crisis. You are public sector workers if you get more money then it has to come out of someone elses pocket.
It's time to wake up just as others have had to do. I know tradesmen who served four year apprenticeships who are only being offered minimum wage. Do you want them servicing your car?
Lancashire73 wrote:
Sun Tzu wrote:
Lancashire73 wrote: chas wrote: Guardian 2007. Mid-career average salary for a nurse £26,110 · Mid career average salary for firefighter £27,876 · Mid career average salary for police officer £35,578 · Mid career average salary for a teacher £33,361
This figure includes all teachers who are not Headteachers or Deputy Headteachers. So, this includes people who are heads of departments, heads of year, etc. Not your average teacher. Unlucky.
20k - 30k for newly qualified teachers. It's not minimum wage.
If you don't value the job that teachers do, who should be paid well in our society? I'd prefer my kids to be taught by someone highly skilled. Believe it not highly skilled people will not work as teachers if industry offers them tens of thousands more - nice thought but they won't and I don't blame them.
Our country is facing an economic crisis. You are public sector workers if you get more money then it has to come out of someone elses pocket.
It's time to wake up just as others have had to do. I know tradesmen who served four year apprenticeships who are only being offered minimum wage. Do you want them servicing your car?
Posted by: Lancashire73, Bolton on 10:51pm Thu 24 Apr 08
[quote][bold]chas[/bold] wrote:
Lancashire73 If you want more money why don't you try harder. Instead of being average, work harder and become head of year or head of department and then look higher. [/quote] I'm not a teacher. However, teachers would not have to 'look higher' if they got paid appropriately. Good teachers should be in classes - managers should manage. I just think it is sad that people commit their lives to teaching our kids and if they ask for an inflation level rise, they get backlash.
chas wrote:
Lancashire73 If you want more money why don't you try harder. Instead of being average, work harder and become head of year or head of department and then look higher.
I'm not a teacher. However, teachers would not have to 'look higher' if they got paid appropriately. Good teachers should be in classes - managers should manage. I just think it is sad that people commit their lives to teaching our kids and if they ask for an inflation level rise, they get backlash.
Posted by: chas, suffolk on 10:59pm Thu 24 Apr 08
Lancashire73
Teachers should 'look higher' if they want more pay and not to expect the same wage as more senior teachers. The majority of workers in this country are getting lower than inflation rises this year.
Lancashire73
Teachers should 'look higher' if they want more pay and not to expect the same wage as more senior teachers. The majority of workers in this country are getting lower than inflation rises this year.
Posted by: Kay on 11:00pm Thu 24 Apr 08
When you keep talking about AVERAGE WAGES you are referring to people who work AVERAGE HOURS ie 9-5 or 40hours per week. Although school starts at 9 and finishes at 3.30 the teachers are in school from 7.30 in the morning getting lessons and resources ready, very often they don't take their breaks during the day and they certainly do not finish at the same time as the children. I know many teachers that work until the school is locked at 6pm and still take work home to mark and plan for the next day.
For all of you who thinks it's such a doddle, you should try it for a few days. You'd soon change your mind when you have 36 8 year olds wanting constant attention for 6hours each day. Most of you wouldn't last the day, these people do it day in, day out for the good of the children, no matter who they are or where they are from.
If it wasn't for good teachers, there wouldn't be any education children leaving school to do the jobs your'e doing now (if you have a job!).
A good teacher gives good education which gives our children a great start in life. Don't under estimate what they do.
When you keep talking about AVERAGE WAGES you are referring to people who work AVERAGE HOURS ie 9-5 or 40hours per week. Although school starts at 9 and finishes at 3.30 the teachers are in school from 7.30 in the morning getting lessons and resources ready, very often they don't take their breaks during the day and they certainly do not finish at the same time as the children. I know many teachers that work until the school is locked at 6pm and still take work home to mark and plan for the next day.
For all of you who thinks it's such a doddle, you should try it for a few days. You'd soon change your mind when you have 36 8 year olds wanting constant attention for 6hours each day. Most of you wouldn't last the day, these people do it day in, day out for the good of the children, no matter who they are or where they are from.
If it wasn't for good teachers, there wouldn't be any education children leaving school to do the jobs your'e doing now (if you have a job!).
A good teacher gives good education which gives our children a great start in life. Don't under estimate what they do.
Posted by: Lancashire73, Bolton on 11:04pm Thu 24 Apr 08
I'm bored of discussing it. Society needs to have a good look at it self if a shop manager is valued more(in monetary terms and in others too in some cases) than the people who educate our children. I'll state again - 50% of new teachers quit in the first 3 years. Is that because it is an easy job with plenty of money - I think not.
I'm bored of discussing it. Society needs to have a good look at it self if a shop manager is valued more(in monetary terms and in others too in some cases) than the people who educate our children. I'll state again - 50% of new teachers quit in the first 3 years. Is that because it is an easy job with plenty of money - I think not.
Posted by: Kay on 11:04pm Thu 24 Apr 08
P.S. sorry for any mistakes in the last comment, I'm tired having spent the last 3 hours planning my work for my groups in class tomorrow and I'm only a HLTA, (not quite a teacher but on my way). I have a very high respect for teachers. As you can tell.
P.S. sorry for any mistakes in the last comment, I'm tired having spent the last 3 hours planning my work for my groups in class tomorrow and I'm only a HLTA, (not quite a teacher but on my way). I have a very high respect for teachers. As you can tell.
Posted by: chas, suffolk on 11:06pm Thu 24 Apr 08
[quote] I know many teachers that work until the school is locked at 6pm and still take work home to mark and plan for the next day.[/quote] Some may, many don't.[quote]For all of you who thinks it's such a doddle, you should try it for a few days[/quote] That could be said for many jobs ie working in a factory, fruit picking and so on.
I know many teachers that work until the school is locked at 6pm and still take work home to mark and plan for the next day.
Some may, many don't.
For all of you who thinks it's such a doddle, you should try it for a few days
That could be said for many jobs ie working in a factory, fruit picking and so on.
Posted by: Kay on 11:10pm Thu 24 Apr 08
I agree Chas, each to their own, I certainly wouldn't like to do many jobs going at the moment. I used to be an Office Manger but wouldn't go back to that again. Been there, done that, didn't enjoy it. Loving working with children though. Credit to all people who work in mundane jobs day in day out. No disrespect to anyone but just trying to make a point that being a teacher isn't easy either.
I agree Chas, each to their own, I certainly wouldn't like to do many jobs going at the moment. I used to be an Office Manger but wouldn't go back to that again. Been there, done that, didn't enjoy it. Loving working with children though. Credit to all people who work in mundane jobs day in day out. No disrespect to anyone but just trying to make a point that being a teacher isn't easy either.
Posted by: chas, suffolk on 11:16pm Thu 24 Apr 08
I believe that everybody will agree that teachers do a highly valued job. Most people believe that they do a highly valued job, but this is not the time for asking for large increases.
I believe that everybody will agree that teachers do a highly valued job. Most people believe that they do a highly valued job, but this is not the time for asking for large increases.
Posted by: Andrew, Bury on 9:33am Fri 25 Apr 08
Newly qualified teacher interviewed in paper today noting that it might take 20+ years to pay off a £16,000 student debt which is accruing interest at £500 a year.
With respect Chas, fruit pickers et al do not incur such huge debt to become qualified for their job.
The issue of student debt is of wider importance mind you.
Newly qualified teacher interviewed in paper today noting that it might take 20+ years to pay off a £16,000 student debt which is accruing interest at £500 a year.
With respect Chas, fruit pickers et al do not incur such huge debt to become qualified for their job.
The issue of student debt is of wider importance mind you.
Posted by: chas, suffolk on 9:58am Fri 25 Apr 08
Fruit pickers incur debts getting over to this country and are pressured into paying huge sums for living expenses, travelling expenses and paying back their debts. Compared to fruit pickers, teachers have an easy life.
Fruit pickers incur debts getting over to this country and are pressured into paying huge sums for living expenses, travelling expenses and paying back their debts. Compared to fruit pickers, teachers have an easy life.
Posted by: Sun Tzu on 10:25am Fri 25 Apr 08
[quote][bold]Andrew[/bold] wrote:
Newly qualified teacher interviewed in paper today noting that it might take 20+ years to pay off a £16,000 student debt which is accruing interest at £500 a year.
With respect Chas, fruit pickers et al do not incur such huge debt to become qualified for their job.
The issue of student debt is of wider importance mind you. [/quote] If we take your rough figures for a student loan as an example, then they would pay 1.3K pa towards their loan. Taken from an average of 33k pa it still puts them streets ahead of many other workers.
All still have to pay the same prices for fuel, food, ect, ect.
If our economy was booming and on the up then yes, maybe a case could be made for rewarding teachers with higher pay.
However, at present this isn't the case and now after many years of irresponsible money management by government, financial institutions and the people. The time has now arrived to pay the piper.
It's the wrong time to be asking for over the top pay increases. Especialy when those pay increases will be paid for by other taxpayers who are stuggling to make ends meet.
Andrew wrote:
Newly qualified teacher interviewed in paper today noting that it might take 20+ years to pay off a £16,000 student debt which is accruing interest at £500 a year.
With respect Chas, fruit pickers et al do not incur such huge debt to become qualified for their job.
The issue of student debt is of wider importance mind you.
If we take your rough figures for a student loan as an example, then they would pay 1.3K pa towards their loan. Taken from an average of 33k pa it still puts them streets ahead of many other workers.
All still have to pay the same prices for fuel, food, ect, ect.
If our economy was booming and on the up then yes, maybe a case could be made for rewarding teachers with higher pay.
However, at present this isn't the case and now after many years of irresponsible money management by government, financial institutions and the people. The time has now arrived to pay the piper.
It's the wrong time to be asking for over the top pay increases. Especialy when those pay increases will be paid for by other taxpayers who are stuggling to make ends meet.
Posted by: Lancashire73, Bolton on 10:56am Fri 25 Apr 08
[quote][bold]chas[/bold] wrote:
Fruit pickers incur debts getting over to this country and are pressured into paying huge sums for living expenses, travelling expenses and paying back their debts. Compared to fruit pickers, teachers have an easy life. [/quote] Still going Chas? Is Dave busy?(rabbit, rabbit..)Bothered you hasn't it? I love this comparison between fruit pickers and teaching- inspired. You are obviously someone who spends lots of time in schools because your knowledge is second to none. What is all this knowledge based on? Daily Mail? The Sun?
chas wrote:
Fruit pickers incur debts getting over to this country and are pressured into paying huge sums for living expenses, travelling expenses and paying back their debts. Compared to fruit pickers, teachers have an easy life.
Still going Chas? Is Dave busy?(rabbit, rabbit..)Bothered you hasn't it? I love this comparison between fruit pickers and teaching- inspired. You are obviously someone who spends lots of time in schools because your knowledge is second to none. What is all this knowledge based on? Daily Mail? The Sun?
Posted by: chas, suffolk on 11:18am Fri 25 Apr 08
Lancashire73
If you are not a teacher, then why are you bothered. Wife not paying her way? I base all my knowledge from the Daily Sport.
Lancashire73
If you are not a teacher, then why are you bothered. Wife not paying her way? I base all my knowledge from the Daily Sport.
Posted by: John Gov, Bolton on 12:41pm Fri 25 Apr 08
[quote][bold]chas[/bold] wrote:
Lancashire73 If you are not a teacher, then why are you bothered. Wife not paying her way? I base all my knowledge from the Daily Sport.[/quote] And it shows.
chas wrote:
Lancashire73 If you are not a teacher, then why are you bothered. Wife not paying her way? I base all my knowledge from the Daily Sport.
And it shows.
Posted by: chas, suffolk on 1:12pm Fri 25 Apr 08
John gov.
The Daily Sport taught me not to begin a sentence with 'And'.
John gov.
The Daily Sport taught me not to begin a sentence with 'And'.
Posted by: Lancashire73, Bolton on 8:53pm Fri 25 Apr 08
[quote][bold]chas[/bold] wrote:
Lancashire73 If you are not a teacher, then why are you bothered. Wife not paying her way? I base all my knowledge from the Daily Sport.[/quote] Daily Sport didn't teach you how to use a question mark.
chas wrote:
Lancashire73 If you are not a teacher, then why are you bothered. Wife not paying her way? I base all my knowledge from the Daily Sport.
Daily Sport didn't teach you how to use a question mark.
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