LiveFA CUP LIVE: Bolton Wanderers 0 v Cardiff City 1

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5:43pm

Thats all for today folks.  Overall Freedman was pleased with his sides performance matching a Premier League side.

5:40pm

DF: "We have been working on defensive duties all week and you could tell that today"

5:40pm

DF: "It could have gone any way... It certainly was not down to our performance"

5:39pm

DF: "I am happy that the frustration has come at the end of the game and not during it"

5:36pm

DF: "He had not much else to do" - regarding Lonergan

5:35pm

DF: "Andy Lonergan is experienced enough, he made an error"

5:35pm

DF: "Unfortunately we made an error but that was the only thing we did wrong today"

5:34pm

DF: "I thought the first-half we were very strong, compact, created three or four half chances"

5:34pm

Freedman is now on the spot

5:26pm

OGS: "(Bolton) are always going to bounce back after a defeat like that ..... they showed today that they are a team that work for each other"

5:25pm

OGS: "Hopefully we will get a home draw in the next round"

5:24pm

OGS: "It is our chance to win a trophy this year" - regarding FA Cup chance

5:23pm

OGS: "Hopefully Mata will have to wait till next Saturday to play" - regarding MUFC fixture on Tuesday

5:22pm

OGS: "We brought Campbell on to run the channels and try and get in behind"

5:22pm

OGS: "In the first-half we did well in terms of possession but we just didn't have enough shots on goal"

5:21pm

OGS: "I thought it was the right time to put them on"

5:21pm

OGS: "They were great substitutions because they are both great players" - regards HT subs

5:20pm

Solskjaer enters the room

4:56pm

The game is over but the coverage is not! Stay tuned for the live updates through the post-match press conference!

4:55pm

The referee bring the game to an end and Bolton bow out of the FA Cup at the fourth round for the second consecutive year

4:54pm

Mills has now joined the attack and Bolton drop to three at the back

4:52pm

Baptiste and Campell both go into the referee's book

4:52pm

Baptiste and Campbell are having an altercation on the far side Moritz is involved now too

4:50pm

There will be a minimum of four minutes added time

4:50pm

Daehli slkies a shot cutting in on his left foot

4:50pm

Kim brings out the best in Lonergan as Cardiff broke three-on-two and the rebound falls to Campbell who lashes his shot wide

4:48pm

Moritz goes for goal from inside on his own half and gets it all wrong - that signals the end for some Bolton fans seats begins to empty

4:47pm

Moritz's delivers is cleared and Cardiff counter-attaclk but Spearing breaks it up

4:47pm

We have a change of ball as Moritz thunders an effort goalwards and it is delfected behind for a corner

4:46pm

Turner clear the ball and it lands on the roof of the stadium! Brilliant!!

4:46pm

Everyone in the box for Bolton - Ream delivers

4:45pm

Kim goes into the book for a tackle on Chungy on the half-way line

4:45pm

Whittingham puts the free-kick into the traveling contingence behind the goal - another poor set-piece

4:44pm

Spearing chops Gunnarsson in two with a reckless challenge on the edge of the penalty area following Mills' superb tackle on Campbell

4:42pm

Moritz cuts in from the right and fires an effort way over the crossbar

4:42pm

The free-kick is aimed towards Mills at the back-post but he is beaten in teh air my Campbell who then clears his lines

4:42pm

The free-kick is aimed towards Mills at the back-post but he is beaten in teh air my Campbell who then clears his lines

4:40pm

Hudson is cautioned for a late tackle on Davies - another chance for Bolton to pump the ball into the box

4:39pm

CCFC sub; Mason is replaced by Daehli

4:39pm

12,275 is todays official attandance

4:35pm

Chungy runs across his marker at the front-post to meet Moritz's delivery but he heads wide 

4:35pm

Kim brings down Chungy as he turns inside and Bolton have a free-kick wide left of the penalty area

4:35pm

Kim brings down Chungy as he turns inside and Bolton have a free-kick wide left of the penalty area

4:33pm

Baptiste heads Campbell's cross away

4:32pm

BWFC sub; Eagles and Medo are replaced by Odelusi and Moritz

4:31pm

He goes for goal and gets it completely wrong - high and wide 

4:30pm

Eagles is standing over it....

4:30pm

Davies is brought down 30-yards from goal and Wanderers have a free-kick in a dangerous position 

4:28pm

Marshall easily collects Danns' corner

4:28pm

Davies plays the ball offf Hudson and behind forn a corner

4:27pm

Marshall makes a magnificant save to keep out Turner's effort at his own goal as he slices an attempted clearance from Baptiste's cross

4:25pm

Knight heads Kim's cross clear

4:24pm

Whittingham's delivery is palmed away by Lonergan

4:23pm

The visitors attack themselves down the right and win a corner off Ream

4:22pm

The corner is played short and Cardiff eventually clear

4:22pm

The ball ends up at the feet of Craig Davies wide left who looks to catch the 'keeper out at the near post but Marshall reacts superbly and scampers across his line to tip it behind for a corner

4:21pm

Danns is brought down by Noone and the free-kick is taken quickly 

4:20pm

Medo sends Noone crashing into the assistant referee - Bolton are awarded the trow-in

4:19pm

Mills heads Ream's corner past the post

4:18pm

Davies flicks the ball into the patch of Danns who beats his marker and sends a stinging shot towards goal but Marshall is equal to it and pushes it behind for a corner

4:16pm

Eagles wins a free-kick wide right on the Cardiff penalty area

4:15pm

Head tennis in the Wanderers area ends in Campbell flicking the ball over the crossbar

4:15pm

Mills tackles Campbell and the ball goes out for a corner

4:14pm

Eagles is caught offside trying to get on the end of Mills' long pass

4:12pm

The two half-time subs have definitely sparked Cardiff to life

4:12pm

Baptiste attempts to head Noone's cross back to Lonergan but the 'keeper makes a horrific mistake and spills the ball right into the path of Campbell who couldn't miss from one-yard out

4:09pm

Campbell scores for Cardiff

4:08pm

Turner turns Eagle's cross behind for a corner

4:04pm

Bolton get the second-half underway

4:04pm

Double half-time sub for Cardiff; Campbell and Noone are on for Cornelius and Eikrem

3:50pm

By the looks of things I should be using my half-time break to clear my schedule for the reverse fixture...

3:49pm

The best chance of the game is also the last kick of the first-half as the referee blows up for half-time

3:49pm

Chungy is inches away from giving Bolton the lead as his effort narrows past the post with Eagles flying in.  So close!!

3:46pm

There will be a minimum of one minute added time

3:46pm

Whittingham fails to connect properly to a Mason cross from the right and Baptiste clears the danger

3:45pm

Spearing makes a sliding tackle 30-yards from his own goal and the ball pings back to Lonergan at some pace, the goalkeeper did excellent to control and clear

3:44pm

Mills and Knight are winning everything that comes there way today, even  if it is only minimal

3:42pm

Eikrem delivers the corner which is headed clear by Mills and Baptiste clears the second delivery

3:41pm

Baptiste concedes a corner tackling Kim 

3:39pm

Whittingham delivers a deep free-kick but is easily cleared by Knight

3:38pm

Danns is booked for a tackle on Gunnarsson

3:38pm

Cardiff play the ball left to right, Bolton play the ball right to left, Cardiff play the ball left to right, you get the jist how this game is panning out....

3:36pm

Not much happening at the moment, having to keep my brain ticking over with our guess the soup game between the other journos

3:31pm

Whittingham delivers a superb corner and Hudson looked destined to score at the back-post but he couldn't direct it goalwards from two-yards

3:30pm

Ream is forced to clear Mason's low cross behind for a corner

3:28pm

Chungy goes down under pressure on the edge of the box but the referee is having none of it

3:27pm

Cornelius fails to grow enough to connect with McNaughtons cross from the left and Ream carries the ball away from danger

3:27pm

Cornelius fails to grow enough to connect with McNaughtons cross from the left and Ream carries the ball away from danger

3:26pm

Cardiff have failed to get their foot on the ball in the last ten minutes, Bolton looking comfortable but not creating much with their possession

3:23pm

Chungy twists and turns after playing a splendid one-two with Davies and digs a cross out but it is cleared by Turner

3:21pm

The Whites box the visitors in and Spearing picks out Chungy who turns and strikes goalwards but it was the wrong side of the post

3:20pm

Bolton play their way out of danger down the left with Ream's eye for a pass and they retain possession until Knight's long pass trickles out of play

3:17pm

Ream does superb to head clear a Cornelius cross after the attacker shrugged of Baptiste's attempted tackle

3:16pm

Knight heads clear a Whittingham corner

3:16pm

Davies is looking strong winning all of his headers in the final third

3:15pm

Chungy is booked for a late tackle

3:12pm

Eagles is slipped in down the right and his cut back it saved down low by Marshall - Baptiste's follow-up is blocked

3:11pm

The resulting corner is easily cleared

3:11pm

Lee's corner falls for Eagles at the back-post but his shot strikes a defender and goes behind for a corner on the opposite side

3:10pm

Eagles delivers a dangerous ball from the left channel and Turner is forced to head it over his own crossbar with Davies lurking behind him

3:10pm

Mills wins his first aerial battle with Cornelius and floors the attacker in the process

3:09pm

Kim drives Cardiff forward and Baptiste makes a crucial tackle throwing his body in the way of a Mason effort as the ball pin-balled around in the Bolton penalty area

3:07pm

Bolton attempt to launch a counter-attack through Danns but the ball runs all the way back to Marshall

3:06pm

He delivers left-footed and Knight heads clear

3:06pm

Cardiff free-kick 25-yards out, Whittingham stands over it

3:05pm

Bolton look composed in the opening few minutes - every player showing a couple of decent touches as they play the ball right to left

3:04pm

Spearing takes a knock to the face winning the ball back from Kim but he runs it off

3:02pm

Cardiff get the first-half underway

2:58pm

Both sides are leaving the tunnels and the pre-match rituals are taking place

2:52pm

But at least the torrential downpour has been halted for the few that have turned up

2:51pm

The North, South and West upper-tier all closed though so I expect a low turnout - especially considering last week's massacre

2:49pm

Looking like a decent turn out from the Cardiff faithful today

2:45pm

This is Craig Davies' first start since August when he played part in the 3-0 defeat away to Nottingham Forest

2:34pm

He last officiated Bolton in their 2-2 away draw to Blackpool back in November 2012

2:33pm

Todays man-in-the-middle is Premier League referee Jonathan Moss 

2:17pm

Both McNaughton and Mason both start for the visitors

2:17pm

Solskjaer makes five changes from their defeat to Man City midweek - Caulker, Medel, Mutch, Noone and Campbell are dropped with Hudson, Kim, Eikrem, Cornelius and Mason come in

2:11pm

CCFC subs: Lewis; Caulker, Medel, Campbell, Noone, Dæhli, John

2:10pm

CCFC starting XI: Marshall; McNaughton, Hudson (C), Turner, Theophile-Catherine; Whittingham, Eikrem, Gunnarsson, Kim; Mason, Cornelius

2:09pm

Three changes for Bolton with Medo, Eagles and C.Davies in - Pratley, M.Davies and Ngog miss out.

2:06pm

BWFC subs: Bogdan, Pratley, Moritz, Odelusi, Vela, White, Hall

2:05pm

BWFC starting XI: Lonergan, Ream, Mills, Knight, Baptiste, Spearing, Medo, Danns, Eagles, Lee, C Davies

1:40pm

 

I accept the responsibility for the performances and the results, and indeed felt the same sense of shame that everyone connected with the club would have felt on Saturday night.

Dougie Freedman

1:39pm

Freedman was equally as apologetic in his manager's notes...

1:38pm

 

On behalf of the players, we must first apologise to the fans who were at the game and thank them for sticking by us.

Zat Knight

1:37pm

 

Unfortunately, matches like that will stick with me for the rest of my life and I know it'll be the same for the rest of the boys.

Zat Knight

1:36pm

Zat Knight's skipper's notes refernce last weekend's Madejski Massacre.

1:30pm

1:28pm Sat 25 Jan 14

J J J J says

Is the deal for N'gog permanent or a Loan papers are saying loan. will it be loan with a permanent deal at the end?

It'll be a loan until the end of the season, then converted into a permanent deal. The crucial thing from Wanderers' point of view is the amount of wage that Swansea are prepared to take on.

1:30pm

Someone must have been reading the blog. Thanks!

1:29pm

Hurrah! Now we have light.

1:28pm

It's dark here, by the way. I can read.

1:27pm

Holding off on looking at the match programme. Not sure I'll be able to read it. 

1:26pm

6:50pm Fri 24 Jan 14

nickyboy70 says

good luck Bolton play 442 we can turn these over 2-1 two Bolton donna and nick blackpool

 

That's the spirit!

1:26pm

1:18pm Sat 25 Jan 14

J J J J says

Is David N'gog move to Swansea all in place for him to go at some point next week?

 

Will get an update from Manager after the game but I was told yesterday that talks were still going on.

1:25pm

1:19pm Sat 25 Jan 14

CeBe from Sweden says

Dispite the result last week at Reading I´m hoping for a repeat from the last time Cardiff visited Reebook. It was a great game and I don´t mind if BWFC again can win by 2-1. COYWM!

 

Dougie's first game in charge. Remember it well.

1:24pm

A quite ridiculous amount of rain coming down here. I'm getting soaked. This could be the world's first blog/drowning/electrocution.

1:23pm

Kevin McNaughton could be lining up against Wanderers today, less than a month after returning to Cardiff from a loan spell at the Reebok.

“Bolton are a counter-attacking side and play their best football on the back foot,” he said. “It’s something we’ll have to be aware of.

“They have that quality, players with Premier League experience, but they have struggled for numbers at the back, which is not ideal.

“That’s their main problem – they only had four defenders when I left.

“The style of play in the Premier League and the Championship is so different, the pace and the tempo. It’s 100 miles per hour down there and it’s so physical – and that’s where Bolton struggle. They have a lot of quality – and they are good enough to do better in the league too.”

More from Super Kev here: http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/wanderers/wanderersnews/10963242.Bolton_Wanderers_loan_star_turned_FA_Cup_rival_Kevin_McNaughton_eyes_future_at_Cardiff_City/

1:20pm

Andy Lonergan drew the short straw this week, being put up for the press after last weekend's disaster.

“I’ve had games where I have been responsible for a few goals,” he said. “But Saturday I just could not understand what was happening in front of me on the pitch. It was outrageous.

“That was the worst feeling I have had in football by a million miles.

“It was a horror show and everyone could see it. But we have got to be men, stick together and go again. It’s the only thing you can do.”

More from Lonners here http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/wanderers/wanderersnews/10963008.Reading_disaster_was_the_lowest_point_in_Andy_Lonergan_s_career/

1:17pm

Good job I can touch type. It's pitch dark in this press box...

1:12pm

Hopefully we'll have some stuff to write about. No guarantees like, but hopefully.

1:12pm

I'll be bringing you all the titbits from around the web, plus all the stories from the press, counting down to transfer deadline day itself.

1:11pm

Before we look at Dougie Freedman and Zat Knight's programme notes, just a quick plug for a week-long transfer blog that will kick off on Monday.

1:10pm

Water torture or not, I still think the next 90 minutes are massive for Wanderers' season.

1:09pm

Evil weather here at the Reebok. And better still, the roof is dripping right on to my desk.

1:05pm

Yes. Yes, it was.

1:05pm

Have been asked a few times already by journalists downstairs "was it really that bad last weekend?"

1:04pm

Good afternoon folks, Marc Iles here. I'm in the saddle for Matchday Live - Wanderers v Cardiff City.

5:46pm

We'll be back from 1.30pm tomorrow with all the pre-match banter. Tweet your predictions and questions to @MarcIles. Matchday Live will begin from 3pm.

5:41pm

The Bolton News: David Jack

 

TOP SCORER AGAINST CARDIFF - David Jack (seven)

 

OVERALL RECORD (ALL COMPETITIONS)

Played - 71

Won - 35

Drawn - 14

Lost - 22

For - 108

Against - 69 

 

5:34pm

MEMORABLE MATCHES

 

The Bolton News: Craig Davies, left, could be selected against Cardiff if David Ngog departs

3/11/2012

Championship

Wanderers 2 Cardiff City 1

DAVID Ngog made a memorable cameo – scoring the winner against the high-flying Bluebirds before being sent-off in injury time.

The Frenchman, pictured with Craig Davies, was only on the pitch for 28 minutes but made an immediate difference on his arrival, seeing one goal ruled out before winning a penalty for Martin Petrov to convert for the equaliser.

Craig Noone had earlier given Cardiff a half-time lead, prompting boos at the break from a frustrated Reebok crowd.

Ngog then settled the game with a deft flick to divert Sam Ricketts’ low shot and then picked up two yellow cards in the last seven minutes to take an ever-so-slightly early shower.

 

3/9/1988

Division Three

Wanderers 4 Cardiff City 0

FRESH from promotion after a solitary season in the bottom division, Phil Neal’s Wanderers achieved lift off in Division Three against the side who had finished a place above them the previous term.

They had suffered defeat on the opening day at Southend but dominated from off against Cardiff, racing into a two-goal lead with goals from John Thomas and Gary Henshaw.

The second half also belonged to the Whites, with Julian Darby chipping in with a pair of goals – his first at Burnden Park for nearly a year – to settle a 4-0 win.

It marked the start of a six-game unbeaten league run in a season of highs and lows. After struggling between October and March, the Whites went on a 20-game unbeaten run after beating Torquay at Wembley in the Sherpa Van Trophy final.

5:32pm

FOOT IN BOTH CAMPS

 

 

The Bolton News: Happy Christmas! Jeff Chandler celebrates one of his two goals against Wigan on Boxing Day in 1983

JEFF CHANDLER

Wanderers 1981-1985

Cardiff 1989-1990

Republic of Ireland international who cost £40,000 from Leeds United. Topped Wanderers’ scoring charts in 1984/85 with 20 goals and also netted in the Sherpa Van Trophy final win over Torquay.

Chandler was forced to retire through injury after only one season and 25 league games for Cardiff.

 

 

DAVID FELGATE

Wanderers 1978-1980 & 1986-1992

Cardiff 1984

Goalkeeper Felgate turned professional at Wanderers but initially failed to make the breakthrough, returning later in his career to become an established figure in goal. He was player of the year as Wanderers won promotion from Division Four and also won the 1989 Sherpa Van Trophy.

Felgate can also count Cardiff on an extensive CV, playing four games for the Welsh club on loan from Lincoln.

 

 

BILLY JENNINGS

Wanderers 1912-1930

Cardiff 1937-1939

Wales international who won FA Cup twice with Wanderers in 1923 and 1926, making 287 appearances for the club and serving in the Royal Flying Crops during the war.

He later managed Cardiff and helped to rebuild Ninian Park and the Cardiff team after a serious fire had decimated the club.

5:29pm

ONE TO WATCH

The Bolton News: Target: Craig Noone

 

CRAIG NOONE

Spent a long spell in the margins under Malky Mackay but seems to have found a new lease of life since Ole Gunnar Solskjaer’s appointment as his successor.

Former Brighton wide man Noone has scored twice in his last three games, including one against Newcastle United in the previous round.

Noone also netted against in both games against Wanderers last season as Cardiff celebrated promotion with a 1-1 draw in April and in Dougie Freedman’s first match in charge at the Reebok in early November.

5:25pm

WANDERERS TEAM NEWS

Dougie Freedman has said he will be making minimal changes to his side despite the 7-1 hammering at Reading last weekend.

David Ngog looks like starting the game amidst interest from Premier League Swansea City and Craig Davies could be brought in for his first start since August.

Andre Moritz is also available after missing last weekend's defeat with a knee problem.

5:22pm

CARDIFF CITY TEAM NEWS

Cardiff have had some problems at left-back of late with regular Andy Taylor out with an ankle problem and young back-up Declan John currently lacking in match fitness. Kevin McNaughton – well known to Whites fans from his successful loan spell at the Reebok – could fill in again.

Elsewhere, it is a matter of how many changes Ole Gunnar Solskjaer wants to make with Tuesday night’s Premier League game at Manchester United in mind.

Local sources believe that Joe Lewis will replace David Marshall in goal, while Magnus Wolff Eikrem could come in for his first start alongside another Norwegian debutant in Joe Inge Berget.

Peter Odemwingie and Craig Bellamy are also pressing for inclusion, as is another former Wanderers loanee in Joe Mason.

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6:50pm Fri 24 Jan 14

nickyboy70 says...

good luck Bolton play 442 we can turn these over 2-1 two Bolton donna and nick blackpool
good luck Bolton play 442 we can turn these over 2-1 two Bolton donna and nick blackpool nickyboy70
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1:18pm Sat 25 Jan 14

J J J J says...

Is David N'gog move to Swansea all in place for him to go at some point next week?
Is David N'gog move to Swansea all in place for him to go at some point next week? J J J J
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1:19pm Sat 25 Jan 14

CeBe from Sweden says...

Dispite the result last week at Reading I´m hoping for a repeat from the last time Cardiff visited Reebook. It was a great game and I don´t mind if BWFC again can win by 2-1. COYWM!
Dispite the result last week at Reading I´m hoping for a repeat from the last time Cardiff visited Reebook. It was a great game and I don´t mind if BWFC again can win by 2-1. COYWM! CeBe from Sweden
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1:28pm Sat 25 Jan 14

J J J J says...

Is the deal for N'gog permanent or a Loan papers are saying loan. will it be loan with a permanent deal at the end?
Is the deal for N'gog permanent or a Loan papers are saying loan. will it be loan with a permanent deal at the end? J J J J
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1:32pm Sat 25 Jan 14

CeBe from Sweden says...

BWFC vs Cardiff at a Swedish TV channel today. I´m looking forward to the game. Good Luck to the team!
BWFC vs Cardiff at a Swedish TV channel today. I´m looking forward to the game. Good Luck to the team! CeBe from Sweden
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1:33pm Sat 25 Jan 14

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1:35pm Sat 25 Jan 14

J J J J says...

How much of his wage are they willing to pay? percentage if the amount isn't known? What's the latest on dawson? read he wanted a return to the club on loan?
How much of his wage are they willing to pay? percentage if the amount isn't known? What's the latest on dawson? read he wanted a return to the club on loan? J J J J
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1:39pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Beyond News Forum says...

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Assho!e - go to the game and support the club - people like you are breaking club finances - you c0ck!

COYWM
[quote][p][bold]Apon22[/bold] wrote: @@@@ HDQ OFFICIAL TV LINK @@@@ Copy And Paste TV LINK = http://goo.gl/5hsb3P . . . . . Copy And Paste TV LINK = http://goo.gl/5hsb3P . . . . . Copy And Paste TV LINK = http://goo.gl/5hsb3P[/p][/quote]Assho!e - go to the game and support the club - people like you are breaking club finances - you c0ck! COYWM Beyond News Forum
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1:52pm Sat 25 Jan 14

tokyodave says...

Marc,
BN story about Craig Dawson says we may have to wait until the loan window reopens...when is that?
Marc, BN story about Craig Dawson says we may have to wait until the loan window reopens...when is that? tokyodave
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1:55pm Sat 25 Jan 14

steveG says...

Had to laugh at the comment regarding breaking club finances.

I don't think the powers that be at BWFC need any help in that regard.
Had to laugh at the comment regarding breaking club finances. I don't think the powers that be at BWFC need any help in that regard. steveG
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1:57pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Beyond News Forum says...

J J J J wrote:
How much of his wage are they willing to pay? percentage if the amount isn't known? What's the latest on dawson? read he wanted a return to the club on loan?
We should really be cashing in on a permanent deal - BWFC will lose millions on his tenure. But still if it leaves finances for a player like Dawson who desperately WANTS to play at BWFC then the loss is probably worth it.

Dawson - Defender who plays like an old fashioned center forward, reminds me of a young SKD - we need players like him not Yannick Bastos who can't play yet, never proven at any high level and not exactly a prolific goal scorer.

I think this ideology of bringing the age of the squad down is desperately flawed also - Look what Big Sam did with a bunch of Ex-Real Madrid, French Internationals, Greek Internationals etc at the end of there careers. With the Sports Science program got them playing at almost peak conditions with averages of 25-28 years old playing age for players over 30. The late Gary Speed (RIP) a shining example.

I cannot say exactly how much I know about the back room work, only that I was part of the BWFC family quite closely at the beginning of this century and witnessed a lot - If DF is listening I would implore him to listen to me like he has seemingly done in the past. Do a Big Sam and get experienced players who want to play and be a big name at the club. They do not cost a fortune and are willing to work with the club on the clubs budget simply because they will not get the football over there in Italy, Spain or France.

Take a look at some of the older stock that can benefit from the Sports Science program - We need an Ivan Campo, we need a Stellios, we need a JJ, we need a Youri Djorkaeff, we need experience that can play at this level with a hunger for the game and the club. This youth plan is for when we are successful, not today ;) Listen to me DF - I am not wrong. You can be a success at BWFC, but you need to look at the history of our wonderful club, maybe change your plan temporary until we have moved forward.
[quote][p][bold]J J J J[/bold] wrote: How much of his wage are they willing to pay? percentage if the amount isn't known? What's the latest on dawson? read he wanted a return to the club on loan?[/p][/quote]We should really be cashing in on a permanent deal - BWFC will lose millions on his tenure. But still if it leaves finances for a player like Dawson who desperately WANTS to play at BWFC then the loss is probably worth it. Dawson - Defender who plays like an old fashioned center forward, reminds me of a young SKD - we need players like him not Yannick Bastos who can't play yet, never proven at any high level and not exactly a prolific goal scorer. I think this ideology of bringing the age of the squad down is desperately flawed also - Look what Big Sam did with a bunch of Ex-Real Madrid, French Internationals, Greek Internationals etc at the end of there careers. With the Sports Science program got them playing at almost peak conditions with averages of 25-28 years old playing age for players over 30. The late Gary Speed (RIP) a shining example. I cannot say exactly how much I know about the back room work, only that I was part of the BWFC family quite closely at the beginning of this century and witnessed a lot - If DF is listening I would implore him to listen to me like he has seemingly done in the past. Do a Big Sam and get experienced players who want to play and be a big name at the club. They do not cost a fortune and are willing to work with the club on the clubs budget simply because they will not get the football over there in Italy, Spain or France. Take a look at some of the older stock that can benefit from the Sports Science program - We need an Ivan Campo, we need a Stellios, we need a JJ, we need a Youri Djorkaeff, we need experience that can play at this level with a hunger for the game and the club. This youth plan is for when we are successful, not today ;) Listen to me DF - I am not wrong. You can be a success at BWFC, but you need to look at the history of our wonderful club, maybe change your plan temporary until we have moved forward. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 2

2:16pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Liamdog says...

BEN please take note of the comment from JJJ . These are the type of questions and comments that should be put to the manager and bourd not pointless sycophantic how do you think that went Dougie comments.
Everything the club has gained in the past years is being thrown away and our local paper will once again sit on the fence watch it happen and wait to reinstate the lifeline numbers.
BEN please take note of the comment from JJJ . These are the type of questions and comments that should be put to the manager and bourd not pointless sycophantic how do you think that went Dougie comments. Everything the club has gained in the past years is being thrown away and our local paper will once again sit on the fence watch it happen and wait to reinstate the lifeline numbers. Liamdog
  • Score: 1

2:18pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Liamdog says...

Apologies, excellent comment was from Beyond News Forum.
Apologies, excellent comment was from Beyond News Forum. Liamdog
  • Score: 0

2:30pm Sat 25 Jan 14

J J J J says...

Interesting Line-up. No N'gog at all preventing him from injury for his move to Swansea?
Interesting Line-up. No N'gog at all preventing him from injury for his move to Swansea? J J J J
  • Score: 0

2:34pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Sasa C says...

Beyond News Forum wrote:
J J J J wrote:
How much of his wage are they willing to pay? percentage if the amount isn't known? What's the latest on dawson? read he wanted a return to the club on loan?
We should really be cashing in on a permanent deal - BWFC will lose millions on his tenure. But still if it leaves finances for a player like Dawson who desperately WANTS to play at BWFC then the loss is probably worth it.

Dawson - Defender who plays like an old fashioned center forward, reminds me of a young SKD - we need players like him not Yannick Bastos who can't play yet, never proven at any high level and not exactly a prolific goal scorer.

I think this ideology of bringing the age of the squad down is desperately flawed also - Look what Big Sam did with a bunch of Ex-Real Madrid, French Internationals, Greek Internationals etc at the end of there careers. With the Sports Science program got them playing at almost peak conditions with averages of 25-28 years old playing age for players over 30. The late Gary Speed (RIP) a shining example.

I cannot say exactly how much I know about the back room work, only that I was part of the BWFC family quite closely at the beginning of this century and witnessed a lot - If DF is listening I would implore him to listen to me like he has seemingly done in the past. Do a Big Sam and get experienced players who want to play and be a big name at the club. They do not cost a fortune and are willing to work with the club on the clubs budget simply because they will not get the football over there in Italy, Spain or France.

Take a look at some of the older stock that can benefit from the Sports Science program - We need an Ivan Campo, we need a Stellios, we need a JJ, we need a Youri Djorkaeff, we need experience that can play at this level with a hunger for the game and the club. This youth plan is for when we are successful, not today ;) Listen to me DF - I am not wrong. You can be a success at BWFC, but you need to look at the history of our wonderful club, maybe change your plan temporary until we have moved forward.
Totally agree with everything you say, but there's just one small problem, we were in the Premier League when we built that team, what players of that calibre would come to a run down club at the bottom of the Championship and play for a stubborn manager like DF? Also how can we afford these level of wages while we are £160 Mill in debt and income is decreasing. Unfortunately we will have to go with youth and keep our fingers crossed, the big thing for me is a change of management, being in Jimmy Philips and David Lee it someone with the club at hear that will get some passion into the team, because even a blind man can see that the current set aren't good enough and more worryingly do not play for this manager
[quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J J J J[/bold] wrote: How much of his wage are they willing to pay? percentage if the amount isn't known? What's the latest on dawson? read he wanted a return to the club on loan?[/p][/quote]We should really be cashing in on a permanent deal - BWFC will lose millions on his tenure. But still if it leaves finances for a player like Dawson who desperately WANTS to play at BWFC then the loss is probably worth it. Dawson - Defender who plays like an old fashioned center forward, reminds me of a young SKD - we need players like him not Yannick Bastos who can't play yet, never proven at any high level and not exactly a prolific goal scorer. I think this ideology of bringing the age of the squad down is desperately flawed also - Look what Big Sam did with a bunch of Ex-Real Madrid, French Internationals, Greek Internationals etc at the end of there careers. With the Sports Science program got them playing at almost peak conditions with averages of 25-28 years old playing age for players over 30. The late Gary Speed (RIP) a shining example. I cannot say exactly how much I know about the back room work, only that I was part of the BWFC family quite closely at the beginning of this century and witnessed a lot - If DF is listening I would implore him to listen to me like he has seemingly done in the past. Do a Big Sam and get experienced players who want to play and be a big name at the club. They do not cost a fortune and are willing to work with the club on the clubs budget simply because they will not get the football over there in Italy, Spain or France. Take a look at some of the older stock that can benefit from the Sports Science program - We need an Ivan Campo, we need a Stellios, we need a JJ, we need a Youri Djorkaeff, we need experience that can play at this level with a hunger for the game and the club. This youth plan is for when we are successful, not today ;) Listen to me DF - I am not wrong. You can be a success at BWFC, but you need to look at the history of our wonderful club, maybe change your plan temporary until we have moved forward.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with everything you say, but there's just one small problem, we were in the Premier League when we built that team, what players of that calibre would come to a run down club at the bottom of the Championship and play for a stubborn manager like DF? Also how can we afford these level of wages while we are £160 Mill in debt and income is decreasing. Unfortunately we will have to go with youth and keep our fingers crossed, the big thing for me is a change of management, being in Jimmy Philips and David Lee it someone with the club at hear that will get some passion into the team, because even a blind man can see that the current set aren't good enough and more worryingly do not play for this manager Sasa C
  • Score: 1

2:39pm Sat 25 Jan 14

J J J J says...

Personally I think the team is missing a spine. Every team should have a spine and we don't, we are missing 3 good commanding players in each position. A Craig Dawson would temporarily fill the Defence roll but spearing (who I thought did well last season but now he isn't on loan seems broken) is not the same player as last season and has lost a bit of his mojo. We have got Beckford who took a while to get going but is now doing alright. But we NEED a striker who is going to jump on the chances we create and put them in the net. The way Reading ran riot last week was embarrassing. Zat knight wasn't marking Le Fondre once he got away from knight way to easily.
Personally I think the team is missing a spine. Every team should have a spine and we don't, we are missing 3 good commanding players in each position. A Craig Dawson would temporarily fill the Defence roll but spearing (who I thought did well last season but now he isn't on loan seems broken) is not the same player as last season and has lost a bit of his mojo. We have got Beckford who took a while to get going but is now doing alright. But we NEED a striker who is going to jump on the chances we create and put them in the net. The way Reading ran riot last week was embarrassing. Zat knight wasn't marking Le Fondre once he got away from knight way to easily. J J J J
  • Score: 0

3:39pm Sat 25 Jan 14

CeBe from Sweden says...

So far so good for BWFC; first 37 min shows a good effort. Well done and go on!
So far so good for BWFC; first 37 min shows a good effort. Well done and go on! CeBe from Sweden
  • Score: 0

3:55pm Sat 25 Jan 14

CeBe from Sweden says...

A good first half from BWFC; they have to go more forward hough.
A good first half from BWFC; they have to go more forward hough. CeBe from Sweden
  • Score: 0

4:29pm Sat 25 Jan 14

CeBe from Sweden says...

I wonder why D´F doesn´t make any changes? The time is running out!
I wonder why D´F doesn´t make any changes? The time is running out! CeBe from Sweden
  • Score: 0

4:54pm Sat 25 Jan 14

CeBe from Sweden says...

What a shame to lose on Lonergans error! A real cheap goal. Bolton really did a good game.
What a shame to lose on Lonergans error! A real cheap goal. Bolton really did a good game. CeBe from Sweden
  • Score: 0

4:56pm Sat 25 Jan 14

trottersfan says...

Same old story. So many missed chances. I ask again, do they practise shooting under the bar and between the posts?

BBC statistics say 13 shots at goal, but only 1 on target!!!

I see in an earlier post that Ivan Campo was mentioned. He offered his help to Bolton a few weeks ago Perhaps we need to accept his offer. We certainly need some new ideas, but while we have a Championship manager we will get championship players and championship football. (hopefully)

Anyway, to be out of the cup is probably best for Bolton so the championship people can concentrate on staying in the championship.
Same old story. So many missed chances. I ask again, do they practise shooting under the bar and between the posts? BBC statistics say 13 shots at goal, but only 1 on target!!! I see in an earlier post that Ivan Campo was mentioned. He offered his help to Bolton a few weeks ago Perhaps we need to accept his offer. We certainly need some new ideas, but while we have a Championship manager we will get championship players and championship football. (hopefully) Anyway, to be out of the cup is probably best for Bolton so the championship people can concentrate on staying in the championship. trottersfan
  • Score: 0

5:21pm Sat 25 Jan 14

J J J J says...

Wasn't Moritz's day today.
Wasn't Moritz's day today. J J J J
  • Score: 0

5:46pm Sat 25 Jan 14

CeBe from Sweden says...

It´s hard to see when or where the turning point will come for this Bolton squad
It´s hard to see when or where the turning point will come for this Bolton squad CeBe from Sweden
  • Score: 0

8:08pm Sat 25 Jan 14

steveG says...

Dougies questioned the players quality,yet ignores the fact he brought in many of the players,certainly the poorer quality ones who include those he previously played with or managed. He seems very unclear as to his best team, the system to employ or how to get the best out of individuals.
Whilst a change of Manager isn't always the best course of action, I don't believe Dougie has shown any ability in football management which would persuade an ambitious club that he's irreplaceable.
Dougies questioned the players quality,yet ignores the fact he brought in many of the players,certainly the poorer quality ones who include those he previously played with or managed. He seems very unclear as to his best team, the system to employ or how to get the best out of individuals. Whilst a change of Manager isn't always the best course of action, I don't believe Dougie has shown any ability in football management which would persuade an ambitious club that he's irreplaceable. steveG
  • Score: 3

9:16pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Sasa C wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
J J J J wrote:
How much of his wage are they willing to pay? percentage if the amount isn't known? What's the latest on dawson? read he wanted a return to the club on loan?
We should really be cashing in on a permanent deal - BWFC will lose millions on his tenure. But still if it leaves finances for a player like Dawson who desperately WANTS to play at BWFC then the loss is probably worth it.

Dawson - Defender who plays like an old fashioned center forward, reminds me of a young SKD - we need players like him not Yannick Bastos who can't play yet, never proven at any high level and not exactly a prolific goal scorer.

I think this ideology of bringing the age of the squad down is desperately flawed also - Look what Big Sam did with a bunch of Ex-Real Madrid, French Internationals, Greek Internationals etc at the end of there careers. With the Sports Science program got them playing at almost peak conditions with averages of 25-28 years old playing age for players over 30. The late Gary Speed (RIP) a shining example.

I cannot say exactly how much I know about the back room work, only that I was part of the BWFC family quite closely at the beginning of this century and witnessed a lot - If DF is listening I would implore him to listen to me like he has seemingly done in the past. Do a Big Sam and get experienced players who want to play and be a big name at the club. They do not cost a fortune and are willing to work with the club on the clubs budget simply because they will not get the football over there in Italy, Spain or France.

Take a look at some of the older stock that can benefit from the Sports Science program - We need an Ivan Campo, we need a Stellios, we need a JJ, we need a Youri Djorkaeff, we need experience that can play at this level with a hunger for the game and the club. This youth plan is for when we are successful, not today ;) Listen to me DF - I am not wrong. You can be a success at BWFC, but you need to look at the history of our wonderful club, maybe change your plan temporary until we have moved forward.
Totally agree with everything you say, but there's just one small problem, we were in the Premier League when we built that team, what players of that calibre would come to a run down club at the bottom of the Championship and play for a stubborn manager like DF? Also how can we afford these level of wages while we are £160 Mill in debt and income is decreasing. Unfortunately we will have to go with youth and keep our fingers crossed, the big thing for me is a change of management, being in Jimmy Philips and David Lee it someone with the club at hear that will get some passion into the team, because even a blind man can see that the current set aren't good enough and more worryingly do not play for this manager
We were not in the PL sorry, we where in the Championship. I was there all the way 1999-2004. :) Sam built the foundations in the Championship, promotion, relegation, promotion. We didn't look back until Megson/Coyle.
[quote][p][bold]Sasa C[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J J J J[/bold] wrote: How much of his wage are they willing to pay? percentage if the amount isn't known? What's the latest on dawson? read he wanted a return to the club on loan?[/p][/quote]We should really be cashing in on a permanent deal - BWFC will lose millions on his tenure. But still if it leaves finances for a player like Dawson who desperately WANTS to play at BWFC then the loss is probably worth it. Dawson - Defender who plays like an old fashioned center forward, reminds me of a young SKD - we need players like him not Yannick Bastos who can't play yet, never proven at any high level and not exactly a prolific goal scorer. I think this ideology of bringing the age of the squad down is desperately flawed also - Look what Big Sam did with a bunch of Ex-Real Madrid, French Internationals, Greek Internationals etc at the end of there careers. With the Sports Science program got them playing at almost peak conditions with averages of 25-28 years old playing age for players over 30. The late Gary Speed (RIP) a shining example. I cannot say exactly how much I know about the back room work, only that I was part of the BWFC family quite closely at the beginning of this century and witnessed a lot - If DF is listening I would implore him to listen to me like he has seemingly done in the past. Do a Big Sam and get experienced players who want to play and be a big name at the club. They do not cost a fortune and are willing to work with the club on the clubs budget simply because they will not get the football over there in Italy, Spain or France. Take a look at some of the older stock that can benefit from the Sports Science program - We need an Ivan Campo, we need a Stellios, we need a JJ, we need a Youri Djorkaeff, we need experience that can play at this level with a hunger for the game and the club. This youth plan is for when we are successful, not today ;) Listen to me DF - I am not wrong. You can be a success at BWFC, but you need to look at the history of our wonderful club, maybe change your plan temporary until we have moved forward.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with everything you say, but there's just one small problem, we were in the Premier League when we built that team, what players of that calibre would come to a run down club at the bottom of the Championship and play for a stubborn manager like DF? Also how can we afford these level of wages while we are £160 Mill in debt and income is decreasing. Unfortunately we will have to go with youth and keep our fingers crossed, the big thing for me is a change of management, being in Jimmy Philips and David Lee it someone with the club at hear that will get some passion into the team, because even a blind man can see that the current set aren't good enough and more worryingly do not play for this manager[/p][/quote]We were not in the PL sorry, we where in the Championship. I was there all the way 1999-2004. :) Sam built the foundations in the Championship, promotion, relegation, promotion. We didn't look back until Megson/Coyle. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 0

9:27pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Beyond News Forum says...

" MANAGER Dougie Freedman was happy with the way his Bolton Wanderers team acquitted themselves against top-flight opposition Cardiff City, despite exiting the FA Cup at the fourth-round stage for the second successive season today.

Just one goal from half-time substitute Fraizer Campbell decided the Reebok tie in favour of the Premier League side – and it was a strike that owed as much to an uncharacteristic slip from Whites stopper Andy Lonergan as to the Bluebirds’ forward play. "

Not happy as a fan, and not exactly a Premier League side, they are still Championship fodder until they prove themselves as PL quality over 2 or more seasons.

I saw a slight improvement but the team were still extremely weak. DF if you are in for the long run I refer and concur with my previous post.
" MANAGER Dougie Freedman was happy with the way his Bolton Wanderers team acquitted themselves against top-flight opposition Cardiff City, despite exiting the FA Cup at the fourth-round stage for the second successive season today. Just one goal from half-time substitute Fraizer Campbell decided the Reebok tie in favour of the Premier League side – and it was a strike that owed as much to an uncharacteristic slip from Whites stopper Andy Lonergan as to the Bluebirds’ forward play. " Not happy as a fan, and not exactly a Premier League side, they are still Championship fodder until they prove themselves as PL quality over 2 or more seasons. I saw a slight improvement but the team were still extremely weak. DF if you are in for the long run I refer and concur with my previous post. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 0

1:02am Sun 26 Jan 14

Sasa C says...

Beyond News Forum wrote:
Sasa C wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
J J J J wrote:
How much of his wage are they willing to pay? percentage if the amount isn't known? What's the latest on dawson? read he wanted a return to the club on loan?
We should really be cashing in on a permanent deal - BWFC will lose millions on his tenure. But still if it leaves finances for a player like Dawson who desperately WANTS to play at BWFC then the loss is probably worth it.

Dawson - Defender who plays like an old fashioned center forward, reminds me of a young SKD - we need players like him not Yannick Bastos who can't play yet, never proven at any high level and not exactly a prolific goal scorer.

I think this ideology of bringing the age of the squad down is desperately flawed also - Look what Big Sam did with a bunch of Ex-Real Madrid, French Internationals, Greek Internationals etc at the end of there careers. With the Sports Science program got them playing at almost peak conditions with averages of 25-28 years old playing age for players over 30. The late Gary Speed (RIP) a shining example.

I cannot say exactly how much I know about the back room work, only that I was part of the BWFC family quite closely at the beginning of this century and witnessed a lot - If DF is listening I would implore him to listen to me like he has seemingly done in the past. Do a Big Sam and get experienced players who want to play and be a big name at the club. They do not cost a fortune and are willing to work with the club on the clubs budget simply because they will not get the football over there in Italy, Spain or France.

Take a look at some of the older stock that can benefit from the Sports Science program - We need an Ivan Campo, we need a Stellios, we need a JJ, we need a Youri Djorkaeff, we need experience that can play at this level with a hunger for the game and the club. This youth plan is for when we are successful, not today ;) Listen to me DF - I am not wrong. You can be a success at BWFC, but you need to look at the history of our wonderful club, maybe change your plan temporary until we have moved forward.
Totally agree with everything you say, but there's just one small problem, we were in the Premier League when we built that team, what players of that calibre would come to a run down club at the bottom of the Championship and play for a stubborn manager like DF? Also how can we afford these level of wages while we are £160 Mill in debt and income is decreasing. Unfortunately we will have to go with youth and keep our fingers crossed, the big thing for me is a change of management, being in Jimmy Philips and David Lee it someone with the club at hear that will get some passion into the team, because even a blind man can see that the current set aren't good enough and more worryingly do not play for this manager
We were not in the PL sorry, we where in the Championship. I was there all the way 1999-2004. :) Sam built the foundations in the Championship, promotion, relegation, promotion. We didn't look back until Megson/Coyle.
You're correct he did start to build when we were in the championship but not with the players you mentioned. A lot of the players that got us promoted he inherited from Colin Todd's tenure such as Gardener, Jussi, Eidur etc but he brought in players like Rickets from Walsall too and made them into better players. Also we never got relegated under Sam and I was there for " all the way" too like I have been for the last 40 years. During which I've witnessed great times like promotion in the seventies and dark times of relegation to the fourth division at Aldershot. Bruce Rioch started the revolution and Sam took it beyond our wildest dreams with the success and players he brought when we were in the PL but this is now a distant memory and until DF and Gartside are gone I can only see it getting worse. A new revolution is required!
[quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sasa C[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J J J J[/bold] wrote: How much of his wage are they willing to pay? percentage if the amount isn't known? What's the latest on dawson? read he wanted a return to the club on loan?[/p][/quote]We should really be cashing in on a permanent deal - BWFC will lose millions on his tenure. But still if it leaves finances for a player like Dawson who desperately WANTS to play at BWFC then the loss is probably worth it. Dawson - Defender who plays like an old fashioned center forward, reminds me of a young SKD - we need players like him not Yannick Bastos who can't play yet, never proven at any high level and not exactly a prolific goal scorer. I think this ideology of bringing the age of the squad down is desperately flawed also - Look what Big Sam did with a bunch of Ex-Real Madrid, French Internationals, Greek Internationals etc at the end of there careers. With the Sports Science program got them playing at almost peak conditions with averages of 25-28 years old playing age for players over 30. The late Gary Speed (RIP) a shining example. I cannot say exactly how much I know about the back room work, only that I was part of the BWFC family quite closely at the beginning of this century and witnessed a lot - If DF is listening I would implore him to listen to me like he has seemingly done in the past. Do a Big Sam and get experienced players who want to play and be a big name at the club. They do not cost a fortune and are willing to work with the club on the clubs budget simply because they will not get the football over there in Italy, Spain or France. Take a look at some of the older stock that can benefit from the Sports Science program - We need an Ivan Campo, we need a Stellios, we need a JJ, we need a Youri Djorkaeff, we need experience that can play at this level with a hunger for the game and the club. This youth plan is for when we are successful, not today ;) Listen to me DF - I am not wrong. You can be a success at BWFC, but you need to look at the history of our wonderful club, maybe change your plan temporary until we have moved forward.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with everything you say, but there's just one small problem, we were in the Premier League when we built that team, what players of that calibre would come to a run down club at the bottom of the Championship and play for a stubborn manager like DF? Also how can we afford these level of wages while we are £160 Mill in debt and income is decreasing. Unfortunately we will have to go with youth and keep our fingers crossed, the big thing for me is a change of management, being in Jimmy Philips and David Lee it someone with the club at hear that will get some passion into the team, because even a blind man can see that the current set aren't good enough and more worryingly do not play for this manager[/p][/quote]We were not in the PL sorry, we where in the Championship. I was there all the way 1999-2004. :) Sam built the foundations in the Championship, promotion, relegation, promotion. We didn't look back until Megson/Coyle.[/p][/quote]You're correct he did start to build when we were in the championship but not with the players you mentioned. A lot of the players that got us promoted he inherited from Colin Todd's tenure such as Gardener, Jussi, Eidur etc but he brought in players like Rickets from Walsall too and made them into better players. Also we never got relegated under Sam and I was there for " all the way" too like I have been for the last 40 years. During which I've witnessed great times like promotion in the seventies and dark times of relegation to the fourth division at Aldershot. Bruce Rioch started the revolution and Sam took it beyond our wildest dreams with the success and players he brought when we were in the PL but this is now a distant memory and until DF and Gartside are gone I can only see it getting worse. A new revolution is required! Sasa C
  • Score: 3

10:07am Sun 26 Jan 14

stevethewanderer says...

Mr Davies as a fan of Bolton wanderers surely it must pain you to see what
Is happening to our beloved club , we really are in the mire.
So as the owner of Bwfc don't you think it's time to have a good clearout before its to late starting with gartside a co ? And get someone on board with the best interests of bwfc .
Mr Davies as a fan of Bolton wanderers surely it must pain you to see what Is happening to our beloved club , we really are in the mire. So as the owner of Bwfc don't you think it's time to have a good clearout before its to late starting with gartside a co ? And get someone on board with the best interests of bwfc . stevethewanderer
  • Score: 0

11:52am Sun 26 Jan 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Sasa C wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
Sasa C wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
J J J J wrote:
How much of his wage are they willing to pay? percentage if the amount isn't known? What's the latest on dawson? read he wanted a return to the club on loan?
We should really be cashing in on a permanent deal - BWFC will lose millions on his tenure. But still if it leaves finances for a player like Dawson who desperately WANTS to play at BWFC then the loss is probably worth it.

Dawson - Defender who plays like an old fashioned center forward, reminds me of a young SKD - we need players like him not Yannick Bastos who can't play yet, never proven at any high level and not exactly a prolific goal scorer.

I think this ideology of bringing the age of the squad down is desperately flawed also - Look what Big Sam did with a bunch of Ex-Real Madrid, French Internationals, Greek Internationals etc at the end of there careers. With the Sports Science program got them playing at almost peak conditions with averages of 25-28 years old playing age for players over 30. The late Gary Speed (RIP) a shining example.

I cannot say exactly how much I know about the back room work, only that I was part of the BWFC family quite closely at the beginning of this century and witnessed a lot - If DF is listening I would implore him to listen to me like he has seemingly done in the past. Do a Big Sam and get experienced players who want to play and be a big name at the club. They do not cost a fortune and are willing to work with the club on the clubs budget simply because they will not get the football over there in Italy, Spain or France.

Take a look at some of the older stock that can benefit from the Sports Science program - We need an Ivan Campo, we need a Stellios, we need a JJ, we need a Youri Djorkaeff, we need experience that can play at this level with a hunger for the game and the club. This youth plan is for when we are successful, not today ;) Listen to me DF - I am not wrong. You can be a success at BWFC, but you need to look at the history of our wonderful club, maybe change your plan temporary until we have moved forward.
Totally agree with everything you say, but there's just one small problem, we were in the Premier League when we built that team, what players of that calibre would come to a run down club at the bottom of the Championship and play for a stubborn manager like DF? Also how can we afford these level of wages while we are £160 Mill in debt and income is decreasing. Unfortunately we will have to go with youth and keep our fingers crossed, the big thing for me is a change of management, being in Jimmy Philips and David Lee it someone with the club at hear that will get some passion into the team, because even a blind man can see that the current set aren't good enough and more worryingly do not play for this manager
We were not in the PL sorry, we where in the Championship. I was there all the way 1999-2004. :) Sam built the foundations in the Championship, promotion, relegation, promotion. We didn't look back until Megson/Coyle.
You're correct he did start to build when we were in the championship but not with the players you mentioned. A lot of the players that got us promoted he inherited from Colin Todd's tenure such as Gardener, Jussi, Eidur etc but he brought in players like Rickets from Walsall too and made them into better players. Also we never got relegated under Sam and I was there for " all the way" too like I have been for the last 40 years. During which I've witnessed great times like promotion in the seventies and dark times of relegation to the fourth division at Aldershot. Bruce Rioch started the revolution and Sam took it beyond our wildest dreams with the success and players he brought when we were in the PL but this is now a distant memory and until DF and Gartside are gone I can only see it getting worse. A new revolution is required!
Sam Allardyce 19 October 1999 - 29 April 2007

Yes sorry it was CT in charge when we were relegated, the famous season with the PB bust up in the tunnel with AT.

But I do think you will find that most of the recruitment was done in the championship- either way I feel this is what needs to be done - experience, sports science - head tennis in the back room and a few SIS bars, along with a drawer full of chewing gum and a framed photograph of the Notts County's division winning season on the managers room wall - need I say any more ;P
[quote][p][bold]Sasa C[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sasa C[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J J J J[/bold] wrote: How much of his wage are they willing to pay? percentage if the amount isn't known? What's the latest on dawson? read he wanted a return to the club on loan?[/p][/quote]We should really be cashing in on a permanent deal - BWFC will lose millions on his tenure. But still if it leaves finances for a player like Dawson who desperately WANTS to play at BWFC then the loss is probably worth it. Dawson - Defender who plays like an old fashioned center forward, reminds me of a young SKD - we need players like him not Yannick Bastos who can't play yet, never proven at any high level and not exactly a prolific goal scorer. I think this ideology of bringing the age of the squad down is desperately flawed also - Look what Big Sam did with a bunch of Ex-Real Madrid, French Internationals, Greek Internationals etc at the end of there careers. With the Sports Science program got them playing at almost peak conditions with averages of 25-28 years old playing age for players over 30. The late Gary Speed (RIP) a shining example. I cannot say exactly how much I know about the back room work, only that I was part of the BWFC family quite closely at the beginning of this century and witnessed a lot - If DF is listening I would implore him to listen to me like he has seemingly done in the past. Do a Big Sam and get experienced players who want to play and be a big name at the club. They do not cost a fortune and are willing to work with the club on the clubs budget simply because they will not get the football over there in Italy, Spain or France. Take a look at some of the older stock that can benefit from the Sports Science program - We need an Ivan Campo, we need a Stellios, we need a JJ, we need a Youri Djorkaeff, we need experience that can play at this level with a hunger for the game and the club. This youth plan is for when we are successful, not today ;) Listen to me DF - I am not wrong. You can be a success at BWFC, but you need to look at the history of our wonderful club, maybe change your plan temporary until we have moved forward.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with everything you say, but there's just one small problem, we were in the Premier League when we built that team, what players of that calibre would come to a run down club at the bottom of the Championship and play for a stubborn manager like DF? Also how can we afford these level of wages while we are £160 Mill in debt and income is decreasing. Unfortunately we will have to go with youth and keep our fingers crossed, the big thing for me is a change of management, being in Jimmy Philips and David Lee it someone with the club at hear that will get some passion into the team, because even a blind man can see that the current set aren't good enough and more worryingly do not play for this manager[/p][/quote]We were not in the PL sorry, we where in the Championship. I was there all the way 1999-2004. :) Sam built the foundations in the Championship, promotion, relegation, promotion. We didn't look back until Megson/Coyle.[/p][/quote]You're correct he did start to build when we were in the championship but not with the players you mentioned. A lot of the players that got us promoted he inherited from Colin Todd's tenure such as Gardener, Jussi, Eidur etc but he brought in players like Rickets from Walsall too and made them into better players. Also we never got relegated under Sam and I was there for " all the way" too like I have been for the last 40 years. During which I've witnessed great times like promotion in the seventies and dark times of relegation to the fourth division at Aldershot. Bruce Rioch started the revolution and Sam took it beyond our wildest dreams with the success and players he brought when we were in the PL but this is now a distant memory and until DF and Gartside are gone I can only see it getting worse. A new revolution is required![/p][/quote]Sam Allardyce 19 October 1999 - 29 April 2007 Yes sorry it was CT in charge when we were relegated, the famous season with the PB bust up in the tunnel with AT. But I do think you will find that most of the recruitment was done in the championship- either way I feel this is what needs to be done - experience, sports science - head tennis in the back room and a few SIS bars, along with a drawer full of chewing gum and a framed photograph of the Notts County's division winning season on the managers room wall - need I say any more ;P Beyond News Forum
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11:54am Sun 26 Jan 14

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Liamdog wrote:
Apologies, excellent comment was from Beyond News Forum.
;) cheers Liam
[quote][p][bold]Liamdog[/bold] wrote: Apologies, excellent comment was from Beyond News Forum.[/p][/quote];) cheers Liam Beyond News Forum
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6:52pm Sun 26 Jan 14

Reebok Al says...

I hope Lonergan's mistake won't be used as an excuse to bring Bogdan back.
I hope Lonergan's mistake won't be used as an excuse to bring Bogdan back. Reebok Al
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