Bolton Wanderers boss Dougie Freedman challenges front men to sharpen up

Wanderers striker Craig Davies

Wanderers striker Craig Davies

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DOUGIE Freedman has fired a warning to his front men – sharpen up, or else.

After watching his side waste several good chances at Leeds United last weekend and emerge pointless, the Wanderers boss is demanding instant improvement from his attacking players when they reconvene after the international break.

Craig Davies, Joe Mason and Jermaine Beckford have shared the burden up front in the first five games, which have yielded just one point.

And Freedman believes the lack of ruthlessness in front of goal has been a major contributing factor in the club’s poor start.

“You cannot keep saying you are unlucky,” he told The Bolton News. “Sometimes you have to stand up and be counted when that pressure is on you to perform.

“Being an ex-goal-scorer I think you have got to want to score goals. They don’t just come to you.

“I’ve had those kind of opportunities and I’ve missed plenty of them as well – but we need to start showing some more urgency. We’re letting ourselves down at the moment.”

Wanderers’ problems are not confined to attack, and Freedman admits there is plenty of improvement to be made in defence before the next home double header against Sheffield Wednesday and Rotherham United.

“We are giving teams something to hold on to,” he said. “I don’t think the team is lacking in confidence, we have shown there is still some fight in us.

“I think we have shown the right energy in games but when you make these silly mistakes at the back it hurts you.”

Freedman returns to Euxton today after helping Scotland’s Under-19s in their friendly against the Czech Republic. And he intends to use the time to maximum advantage.

“It gives us a little bit more time to put some work into the players, so I don’t think the international break is a bad thing,” he said.

“I’m not getting too down about the start we have made, it won’t do any good.

“There are things that I need to work on but I think it’s a mental thing now, like when we get into a lead we keep ourselves there.”

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9:44am Thu 4 Sep 14

rnorris says...

Or else what ? Cant get rid of them as no one wants them....Craig Davies struggled in Div 1 with Preston so why does Freedman think he can hack it in the Championship........
No money for replacements even on loan or free .........Cant beleive Eddie Davies is sat back watching all this happen......or is administration in the pipe line ?
Or else what ? Cant get rid of them as no one wants them....Craig Davies struggled in Div 1 with Preston so why does Freedman think he can hack it in the Championship........ No money for replacements even on loan or free .........Cant beleive Eddie Davies is sat back watching all this happen......or is administration in the pipe line ? rnorris
  • Score: 14

10:45am Thu 4 Sep 14

Balboa says...

Club to be sold in 18 months or sooner. You heard it here first.
Club to be sold in 18 months or sooner. You heard it here first. Balboa
  • Score: 4

11:00am Thu 4 Sep 14

mattaiuseire says...

Balboa wrote:
Club to be sold in 18 months or sooner. You heard it here first.
More like club to go into administration within 18 months.

On the topic point - how can Douglas expect more than what he's getting when Beckford scored 2 against Crewe mid-week and was only given 12 minutes to make an impact in the weekend game against Leeds?

He's not the best player in the world, but give him a run and he will score more goals than Craig Davies or any other striker we have in the club. At the moment we are beggars and we can't be choosers.
[quote][p][bold]Balboa[/bold] wrote: Club to be sold in 18 months or sooner. You heard it here first.[/p][/quote]More like club to go into administration within 18 months. On the topic point - how can Douglas expect more than what he's getting when Beckford scored 2 against Crewe mid-week and was only given 12 minutes to make an impact in the weekend game against Leeds? He's not the best player in the world, but give him a run and he will score more goals than Craig Davies or any other striker we have in the club. At the moment we are beggars and we can't be choosers. mattaiuseire
  • Score: 15

11:03am Thu 4 Sep 14

trottersfan says...

IT'S ABOUT TIME FREEDMAN SHARPENED UP HIS ACT and learnt how to motivate the players and how to get on the side of the supporters.

Can't think why Scotland U19s wanted to have him involved. He is useless. The only thing he is any good at is making a mess of things.
IT'S ABOUT TIME FREEDMAN SHARPENED UP HIS ACT and learnt how to motivate the players and how to get on the side of the supporters. Can't think why Scotland U19s wanted to have him involved. He is useless. The only thing he is any good at is making a mess of things. trottersfan
  • Score: 8

12:47pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Okay... I moan as much as anyone. Let us get a bit of balance back... myself included.

Not so long back we were still playing in the old Div 3 - yes as supporters we have lived a bit of a false dream over the last 15-years or so... why false?

Let me explain... we hardly ever filled the Reebok even when BWFC played MUFC. The club relies on fans paying to watch, we have been punching above our weight in respect to financially supporting the team for very much of the last 30-years never mind the last 15-years... we have some smart people here on the comment board, but we who moan seem to be losing our basic schooling... mathematics.

It was a huge mistake moving from Burnden Park in my honest opinion. BWFC should have increased the size of Burnden Park to a 35,000+ seater stadium and introduced a tiered structure to ticketing to fill the stadium in those first Premier League seasons. I know full well that we as fans have not shown the club the support it deserved over the last 10-years or so... so we do have blame in this just as much as the board at the club.

We simply do not get the revenue that some of the other clubs do, we cannot keep relying on Eddie Davies to bail BWFC out... as equally we should not be relying on Phil Gartside to make cool decisions for the club, the players and the fans.

We do not make the revenue from merchandise, we do not make the revenue on the concoarses (mainly because the prices are ridiculous for a club in a town where fans are spending a vast part of their weekly wage on a ticket for themselves and their kids). We do not make very much money from Season Tickets or Matchday Ticket sales.

We cannot deny that DF has reduced the wage structure vastly... but has this been a huge risk? I'd say yes... but is he solely to blame? No... the influence of Agents, player wage demands and the cost of a decent signing has spiraled out of control... this despite the FA stating in the past that prices should be capped.

It seems like a Catch 22 situation... yes as fans we demand more... we demand the board be sacked... DF to be sacked... the players to be motivated and new signings to miraculously appear. Yes we do not understand WTF Financial Fair Play means to the club and why it is used as an excuse when other clubs have been spending like crazy. I can shed some light on FFP and why we are in the position we are in... I have to got back to the beginning of my comment - punching above our weight.

Simply put for too long the club has been spending all the while we have not been filling up the stadium, even in the good times. We could not fill the stadium when we historically got into Europe... this has been a MASSIVE factor in why the club has been losing money and why BWFC are in freefall and debt.

Let us be honest with ourselves here... we all want the passion to come back to the club, players, management and supporters alike. But we are not going to achieve that without supporting the club.

I have been guilty of wishing not to go to the ground... we cannot be like that, and as a club BWFC certainly cannot afford to lose our support. Daum last weekend I was even guilty of stating we should start an AFC Wimbledon style club... I retract that statement.

How are WE fans going to help stop the rot?

Fill that stadium up throughout the season... I plead with the fans to come back... I plead with the fans that have stayed away for far loo long to make every other Saturday and the odd Tuesday to come back and back the team whether we are playing Shrewsbury or MUFC.

We need that stadium full of white shirts... it is the ONLY way we can voice ourselves and financially support the club to get back where we belong. Let us be real... no money... No support... No Premier League!

COYWM

Bolton til I die!
Okay... I moan as much as anyone. Let us get a bit of balance back... myself included. Not so long back we were still playing in the old Div 3 - yes as supporters we have lived a bit of a false dream over the last 15-years or so... why false? Let me explain... we hardly ever filled the Reebok even when BWFC played MUFC. The club relies on fans paying to watch, we have been punching above our weight in respect to financially supporting the team for very much of the last 30-years never mind the last 15-years... we have some smart people here on the comment board, but we who moan seem to be losing our basic schooling... mathematics. It was a huge mistake moving from Burnden Park in my honest opinion. BWFC should have increased the size of Burnden Park to a 35,000+ seater stadium and introduced a tiered structure to ticketing to fill the stadium in those first Premier League seasons. I know full well that we as fans have not shown the club the support it deserved over the last 10-years or so... so we do have blame in this just as much as the board at the club. We simply do not get the revenue that some of the other clubs do, we cannot keep relying on Eddie Davies to bail BWFC out... as equally we should not be relying on Phil Gartside to make cool decisions for the club, the players and the fans. We do not make the revenue from merchandise, we do not make the revenue on the concoarses (mainly because the prices are ridiculous for a club in a town where fans are spending a vast part of their weekly wage on a ticket for themselves and their kids). We do not make very much money from Season Tickets or Matchday Ticket sales. We cannot deny that DF has reduced the wage structure vastly... but has this been a huge risk? I'd say yes... but is he solely to blame? No... the influence of Agents, player wage demands and the cost of a decent signing has spiraled out of control... this despite the FA stating in the past that prices should be capped. It seems like a Catch 22 situation... yes as fans we demand more... we demand the board be sacked... DF to be sacked... the players to be motivated and new signings to miraculously appear. Yes we do not understand WTF Financial Fair Play means to the club and why it is used as an excuse when other clubs have been spending like crazy. I can shed some light on FFP and why we are in the position we are in... I have to got back to the beginning of my comment - punching above our weight. Simply put for too long the club has been spending all the while we have not been filling up the stadium, even in the good times. We could not fill the stadium when we historically got into Europe... this has been a MASSIVE factor in why the club has been losing money and why BWFC are in freefall and debt. Let us be honest with ourselves here... we all want the passion to come back to the club, players, management and supporters alike. But we are not going to achieve that without supporting the club. I have been guilty of wishing not to go to the ground... we cannot be like that, and as a club BWFC certainly cannot afford to lose our support. Daum last weekend I was even guilty of stating we should start an AFC Wimbledon style club... I retract that statement. How are WE fans going to help stop the rot? Fill that stadium up throughout the season... I plead with the fans to come back... I plead with the fans that have stayed away for far loo long to make every other Saturday and the odd Tuesday to come back and back the team whether we are playing Shrewsbury or MUFC. We need that stadium full of white shirts... it is the ONLY way we can voice ourselves and financially support the club to get back where we belong. Let us be real... no money... No support... No Premier League! COYWM Bolton til I die! Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 13

1:10pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Beyond News Forum says...

I forgot to add... equally the club needs to give something back to us fans who are willing to come back to the ground and support the club.

To the board at BWFC,

I implore you to reduce ticket prices for home support this season, bring in some incentives to those who wish to come back but cannot afford to watch the game. Serious reductions not token £2's here and there.

Reduce the cost of a drink or something to eat on the concoarses, help us to help you get BWFC back on track and fill the ground.

We can help as fans, we can, but we need help ourselves. You have lost touch with us both financially and verbally in recent years, be honest with yourselves... shelve the dishonesty and the (what looks like) corporate greed... we can learn to forgive and forget if you the board can be honest with us in respectfully talking through the problems and reducing the prices.

You are businessmen and women who do know 'speculate to accumulate' - this does not just mean financially - hold the back page - The Bolton news can help in all this via giving you free adspace on the back page and on the website to advertize let's say £10 adult tickets and £5 for kids... most of us could probably afford £15 adults and £7 for the kids... surely this helps bring more fans to the ground and adds to the noise of support within the ground.

Look at it this way... if we cannot bring people back to the ground, if BWFC does lose support, then the speculation is not accumulation or reaching the Premier League - the it is losses, more debt and League One or even Administration - which none of us want.

Put simply the BWFC board has to radically rethink not only the structure within the club and with the team, but the board needs to radically rethink their approach to the fans... especially since austerity within the club is not factoring in austerity within the fanbase of BWFC.

We fans can extend our hands of friendship to you the board, we can forgive and forget, we can help the club... but it cannot be done with a one-sided approach.

Since Big Sam left, the fans have been left in mourning... not just because of his departure, but because we have seen our beloved White Hot players leave and not get replaced with leaders and players that can take the club forward. Yes at one point you meant well with some signings that did not work out... but we have now seen the cost of a lack of logical thinking and one tracked business acumen.

We need to be given the incentive to come back and help out... this is not bribery but a factual and evident need for the fans that have long suffered NOTHING to come back to the club and support.

You know I make sense... and Bolton News... you guys need to do your bit to support our club more... Splash your ideas across the back page, radically rethink your own approach to questioning and supporting the club both verbally and financially.

COYWM!
I forgot to add... equally the club needs to give something back to us fans who are willing to come back to the ground and support the club. To the board at BWFC, I implore you to reduce ticket prices for home support this season, bring in some incentives to those who wish to come back but cannot afford to watch the game. Serious reductions not token £2's here and there. Reduce the cost of a drink or something to eat on the concoarses, help us to help you get BWFC back on track and fill the ground. We can help as fans, we can, but we need help ourselves. You have lost touch with us both financially and verbally in recent years, be honest with yourselves... shelve the dishonesty and the (what looks like) corporate greed... we can learn to forgive and forget if you the board can be honest with us in respectfully talking through the problems and reducing the prices. You are businessmen and women who do know 'speculate to accumulate' - this does not just mean financially - hold the back page - The Bolton news can help in all this via giving you free adspace on the back page and on the website to advertize let's say £10 adult tickets and £5 for kids... most of us could probably afford £15 adults and £7 for the kids... surely this helps bring more fans to the ground and adds to the noise of support within the ground. Look at it this way... if we cannot bring people back to the ground, if BWFC does lose support, then the speculation is not accumulation or reaching the Premier League - the it is losses, more debt and League One or even Administration - which none of us want. Put simply the BWFC board has to radically rethink not only the structure within the club and with the team, but the board needs to radically rethink their approach to the fans... especially since austerity within the club is not factoring in austerity within the fanbase of BWFC. We fans can extend our hands of friendship to you the board, we can forgive and forget, we can help the club... but it cannot be done with a one-sided approach. Since Big Sam left, the fans have been left in mourning... not just because of his departure, but because we have seen our beloved White Hot players leave and not get replaced with leaders and players that can take the club forward. Yes at one point you meant well with some signings that did not work out... but we have now seen the cost of a lack of logical thinking and one tracked business acumen. We need to be given the incentive to come back and help out... this is not bribery but a factual and evident need for the fans that have long suffered NOTHING to come back to the club and support. You know I make sense... and Bolton News... you guys need to do your bit to support our club more... Splash your ideas across the back page, radically rethink your own approach to questioning and supporting the club both verbally and financially. COYWM! Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 11

2:05pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Nat's lad says...

Beyond News Forum wrote:
Okay... I moan as much as anyone. Let us get a bit of balance back... myself included.

Not so long back we were still playing in the old Div 3 - yes as supporters we have lived a bit of a false dream over the last 15-years or so... why false?

Let me explain... we hardly ever filled the Reebok even when BWFC played MUFC. The club relies on fans paying to watch, we have been punching above our weight in respect to financially supporting the team for very much of the last 30-years never mind the last 15-years... we have some smart people here on the comment board, but we who moan seem to be losing our basic schooling... mathematics.

It was a huge mistake moving from Burnden Park in my honest opinion. BWFC should have increased the size of Burnden Park to a 35,000+ seater stadium and introduced a tiered structure to ticketing to fill the stadium in those first Premier League seasons. I know full well that we as fans have not shown the club the support it deserved over the last 10-years or so... so we do have blame in this just as much as the board at the club.

We simply do not get the revenue that some of the other clubs do, we cannot keep relying on Eddie Davies to bail BWFC out... as equally we should not be relying on Phil Gartside to make cool decisions for the club, the players and the fans.

We do not make the revenue from merchandise, we do not make the revenue on the concoarses (mainly because the prices are ridiculous for a club in a town where fans are spending a vast part of their weekly wage on a ticket for themselves and their kids). We do not make very much money from Season Tickets or Matchday Ticket sales.

We cannot deny that DF has reduced the wage structure vastly... but has this been a huge risk? I'd say yes... but is he solely to blame? No... the influence of Agents, player wage demands and the cost of a decent signing has spiraled out of control... this despite the FA stating in the past that prices should be capped.

It seems like a Catch 22 situation... yes as fans we demand more... we demand the board be sacked... DF to be sacked... the players to be motivated and new signings to miraculously appear. Yes we do not understand WTF Financial Fair Play means to the club and why it is used as an excuse when other clubs have been spending like crazy. I can shed some light on FFP and why we are in the position we are in... I have to got back to the beginning of my comment - punching above our weight.

Simply put for too long the club has been spending all the while we have not been filling up the stadium, even in the good times. We could not fill the stadium when we historically got into Europe... this has been a MASSIVE factor in why the club has been losing money and why BWFC are in freefall and debt.

Let us be honest with ourselves here... we all want the passion to come back to the club, players, management and supporters alike. But we are not going to achieve that without supporting the club.

I have been guilty of wishing not to go to the ground... we cannot be like that, and as a club BWFC certainly cannot afford to lose our support. Daum last weekend I was even guilty of stating we should start an AFC Wimbledon style club... I retract that statement.

How are WE fans going to help stop the rot?

Fill that stadium up throughout the season... I plead with the fans to come back... I plead with the fans that have stayed away for far loo long to make every other Saturday and the odd Tuesday to come back and back the team whether we are playing Shrewsbury or MUFC.

We need that stadium full of white shirts... it is the ONLY way we can voice ourselves and financially support the club to get back where we belong. Let us be real... no money... No support... No Premier League!

COYWM

Bolton til I die!
The problem is that the move to the Reebok and the steady increase in prices over the years has alienated a lot of the fans who used to support the club through thick and thin as a matter of habit. We SHOULD have stayed at Burnden. I know of dozens of supporters who never missed a match at Burnden who have never been to the Reebok. They have been driven away as Gartside has chased a different clientele. These so-called supporters have now found something else to do on Saturday so we have lost the old style supporters and the new through Gartside's delusions of grandeur.
[quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: Okay... I moan as much as anyone. Let us get a bit of balance back... myself included. Not so long back we were still playing in the old Div 3 - yes as supporters we have lived a bit of a false dream over the last 15-years or so... why false? Let me explain... we hardly ever filled the Reebok even when BWFC played MUFC. The club relies on fans paying to watch, we have been punching above our weight in respect to financially supporting the team for very much of the last 30-years never mind the last 15-years... we have some smart people here on the comment board, but we who moan seem to be losing our basic schooling... mathematics. It was a huge mistake moving from Burnden Park in my honest opinion. BWFC should have increased the size of Burnden Park to a 35,000+ seater stadium and introduced a tiered structure to ticketing to fill the stadium in those first Premier League seasons. I know full well that we as fans have not shown the club the support it deserved over the last 10-years or so... so we do have blame in this just as much as the board at the club. We simply do not get the revenue that some of the other clubs do, we cannot keep relying on Eddie Davies to bail BWFC out... as equally we should not be relying on Phil Gartside to make cool decisions for the club, the players and the fans. We do not make the revenue from merchandise, we do not make the revenue on the concoarses (mainly because the prices are ridiculous for a club in a town where fans are spending a vast part of their weekly wage on a ticket for themselves and their kids). We do not make very much money from Season Tickets or Matchday Ticket sales. We cannot deny that DF has reduced the wage structure vastly... but has this been a huge risk? I'd say yes... but is he solely to blame? No... the influence of Agents, player wage demands and the cost of a decent signing has spiraled out of control... this despite the FA stating in the past that prices should be capped. It seems like a Catch 22 situation... yes as fans we demand more... we demand the board be sacked... DF to be sacked... the players to be motivated and new signings to miraculously appear. Yes we do not understand WTF Financial Fair Play means to the club and why it is used as an excuse when other clubs have been spending like crazy. I can shed some light on FFP and why we are in the position we are in... I have to got back to the beginning of my comment - punching above our weight. Simply put for too long the club has been spending all the while we have not been filling up the stadium, even in the good times. We could not fill the stadium when we historically got into Europe... this has been a MASSIVE factor in why the club has been losing money and why BWFC are in freefall and debt. Let us be honest with ourselves here... we all want the passion to come back to the club, players, management and supporters alike. But we are not going to achieve that without supporting the club. I have been guilty of wishing not to go to the ground... we cannot be like that, and as a club BWFC certainly cannot afford to lose our support. Daum last weekend I was even guilty of stating we should start an AFC Wimbledon style club... I retract that statement. How are WE fans going to help stop the rot? Fill that stadium up throughout the season... I plead with the fans to come back... I plead with the fans that have stayed away for far loo long to make every other Saturday and the odd Tuesday to come back and back the team whether we are playing Shrewsbury or MUFC. We need that stadium full of white shirts... it is the ONLY way we can voice ourselves and financially support the club to get back where we belong. Let us be real... no money... No support... No Premier League! COYWM Bolton til I die![/p][/quote]The problem is that the move to the Reebok and the steady increase in prices over the years has alienated a lot of the fans who used to support the club through thick and thin as a matter of habit. We SHOULD have stayed at Burnden. I know of dozens of supporters who never missed a match at Burnden who have never been to the Reebok. They have been driven away as Gartside has chased a different clientele. These so-called supporters have now found something else to do on Saturday so we have lost the old style supporters and the new through Gartside's delusions of grandeur. Nat's lad
  • Score: 5

4:39pm Thu 4 Sep 14

pault says...

Dougie "Challenges?" Dougie "Helps Scotland's under 17?" What on earth are you doing Eddie? Could you please treat the fans the same way you would treat one of your many employee's in your company (s)? Maybe you treat those employees as you do your fans?

*

Did you see the attendance at the England game last night? If YOUR chairman is still in his job (laugh) this time next year you may as well invite bid's from the owners of Salford Reds rugby Club/or Darwen Womens Hockey Club team rather than see the seats go moldy and the grass go to seed - just like you are doing this very minute if you refuse to follow your conscience re Gartside! Are you sure your judgement of a certain person's honesty is not waivering these days?l
Dougie "Challenges?" Dougie "Helps Scotland's under 17?" What on earth are you doing Eddie? Could you please treat the fans the same way you would treat one of your many employee's in your company (s)? Maybe you treat those employees as you do your fans? * Did you see the attendance at the England game last night? If YOUR chairman is still in his job (laugh) this time next year you may as well invite bid's from the owners of Salford Reds rugby Club/or Darwen Womens Hockey Club team rather than see the seats go moldy and the grass go to seed - just like you are doing this very minute if you refuse to follow your conscience re Gartside! Are you sure your judgement of a certain person's honesty is not waivering these days?l pault
  • Score: 1

5:01pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Liamdog says...

DF needs a warning firing to himself ! Buck up sort this mess out stop making stupid comments get some discipline in the team and start winning a few games or else!
DF needs a warning firing to himself ! Buck up sort this mess out stop making stupid comments get some discipline in the team and start winning a few games or else! Liamdog
  • Score: 11

7:00pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Nat's lad wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
Okay... I moan as much as anyone. Let us get a bit of balance back... myself included.

Not so long back we were still playing in the old Div 3 - yes as supporters we have lived a bit of a false dream over the last 15-years or so... why false?

Let me explain... we hardly ever filled the Reebok even when BWFC played MUFC. The club relies on fans paying to watch, we have been punching above our weight in respect to financially supporting the team for very much of the last 30-years never mind the last 15-years... we have some smart people here on the comment board, but we who moan seem to be losing our basic schooling... mathematics.

It was a huge mistake moving from Burnden Park in my honest opinion. BWFC should have increased the size of Burnden Park to a 35,000+ seater stadium and introduced a tiered structure to ticketing to fill the stadium in those first Premier League seasons. I know full well that we as fans have not shown the club the support it deserved over the last 10-years or so... so we do have blame in this just as much as the board at the club.

We simply do not get the revenue that some of the other clubs do, we cannot keep relying on Eddie Davies to bail BWFC out... as equally we should not be relying on Phil Gartside to make cool decisions for the club, the players and the fans.

We do not make the revenue from merchandise, we do not make the revenue on the concoarses (mainly because the prices are ridiculous for a club in a town where fans are spending a vast part of their weekly wage on a ticket for themselves and their kids). We do not make very much money from Season Tickets or Matchday Ticket sales.

We cannot deny that DF has reduced the wage structure vastly... but has this been a huge risk? I'd say yes... but is he solely to blame? No... the influence of Agents, player wage demands and the cost of a decent signing has spiraled out of control... this despite the FA stating in the past that prices should be capped.

It seems like a Catch 22 situation... yes as fans we demand more... we demand the board be sacked... DF to be sacked... the players to be motivated and new signings to miraculously appear. Yes we do not understand WTF Financial Fair Play means to the club and why it is used as an excuse when other clubs have been spending like crazy. I can shed some light on FFP and why we are in the position we are in... I have to got back to the beginning of my comment - punching above our weight.

Simply put for too long the club has been spending all the while we have not been filling up the stadium, even in the good times. We could not fill the stadium when we historically got into Europe... this has been a MASSIVE factor in why the club has been losing money and why BWFC are in freefall and debt.

Let us be honest with ourselves here... we all want the passion to come back to the club, players, management and supporters alike. But we are not going to achieve that without supporting the club.

I have been guilty of wishing not to go to the ground... we cannot be like that, and as a club BWFC certainly cannot afford to lose our support. Daum last weekend I was even guilty of stating we should start an AFC Wimbledon style club... I retract that statement.

How are WE fans going to help stop the rot?

Fill that stadium up throughout the season... I plead with the fans to come back... I plead with the fans that have stayed away for far loo long to make every other Saturday and the odd Tuesday to come back and back the team whether we are playing Shrewsbury or MUFC.

We need that stadium full of white shirts... it is the ONLY way we can voice ourselves and financially support the club to get back where we belong. Let us be real... no money... No support... No Premier League!

COYWM

Bolton til I die!
The problem is that the move to the Reebok and the steady increase in prices over the years has alienated a lot of the fans who used to support the club through thick and thin as a matter of habit. We SHOULD have stayed at Burnden. I know of dozens of supporters who never missed a match at Burnden who have never been to the Reebok. They have been driven away as Gartside has chased a different clientele. These so-called supporters have now found something else to do on Saturday so we have lost the old style supporters and the new through Gartside's delusions of grandeur.
Basically in a nutshell exactly what I am saying. Winning back the fans of the Burnden days is not going to be an easy task. And that is why I am asking for the board to come up with an incentive to help bring those fans back and see what a magnificent club we still do have.

Yes exactly what I am saying about alienating the fans... What the old board and the present board do not realize is just how lucky they are that some fans stayed the coarse and came to the Reebok (Macaroni lol) - It could have been so much different and we could have seen fans leave altogether to form a new club in Bolton not Horwich.

At the end of the day what has been done has been done, but it does not excuse the presumption factor of the board that fans will continue to be part of is increasingly looking like a sinking ship... even through the Premiership days many fans still felt alienated enough to stay away from the ground, the pricing and the overall dislike for the boards directors and the move from Burnden was not forgotten.

Never mind honoring the players in the Hall of Fame, the fans need to be immortalized at the Ground... I think the board should think about the naming of the stadium in the future and return the ground to the original name in honor of the fans... It could be renamed Burnden Park sponsored by ??? As part of naming rights the fans should be remembered, after all fans are every bit as much part of the clubs sponsorship as potential customers as they are the history of the club.

I also think that certain seats should be named after the fans that died in the Burnden tragedy, Each one with a name attached.

The club has forgotten how much the fans have adapted to suit the new surroundings - those fans who stayed the coarse fans did not have to do that.

For many even if the boundaries of Horwich changed to incorporate Middlebrook into 'true' Bolton - Bolton Wanderers will still not be the same, even some of the younger generation of fans will always see Burnden Park as the true and spiritual home of BWFC... and is a bloody good reason for the board of directors to recognize the sacrifices that many have made to continue to support the club, and another reason to help in any way they can to bring those supporters back to the club, even if it means halving ticket prices until we get back to the Premier League - because the alternative, a club with diminishing support and Administration is unthinkable... especially if Bolton Wanderers as a club had to rebrand to be named Wanderers of Bolton etc after any Administration procedures.

Those that have been alienated by the move, the board, the prices should speak up now and ram this home to the board. It seems like either the board have forgotten the sacrifices many made, and the fact that they DID actually earn a lot of distrust from the said Burnden Park fanbase,.. that trust has not had any real reason to be respectfully brought back to Middlebrook.

Something does need to be done, and it needs to be done before the ship sinks.

COYWM!
[quote][p][bold]Nat's lad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: Okay... I moan as much as anyone. Let us get a bit of balance back... myself included. Not so long back we were still playing in the old Div 3 - yes as supporters we have lived a bit of a false dream over the last 15-years or so... why false? Let me explain... we hardly ever filled the Reebok even when BWFC played MUFC. The club relies on fans paying to watch, we have been punching above our weight in respect to financially supporting the team for very much of the last 30-years never mind the last 15-years... we have some smart people here on the comment board, but we who moan seem to be losing our basic schooling... mathematics. It was a huge mistake moving from Burnden Park in my honest opinion. BWFC should have increased the size of Burnden Park to a 35,000+ seater stadium and introduced a tiered structure to ticketing to fill the stadium in those first Premier League seasons. I know full well that we as fans have not shown the club the support it deserved over the last 10-years or so... so we do have blame in this just as much as the board at the club. We simply do not get the revenue that some of the other clubs do, we cannot keep relying on Eddie Davies to bail BWFC out... as equally we should not be relying on Phil Gartside to make cool decisions for the club, the players and the fans. We do not make the revenue from merchandise, we do not make the revenue on the concoarses (mainly because the prices are ridiculous for a club in a town where fans are spending a vast part of their weekly wage on a ticket for themselves and their kids). We do not make very much money from Season Tickets or Matchday Ticket sales. We cannot deny that DF has reduced the wage structure vastly... but has this been a huge risk? I'd say yes... but is he solely to blame? No... the influence of Agents, player wage demands and the cost of a decent signing has spiraled out of control... this despite the FA stating in the past that prices should be capped. It seems like a Catch 22 situation... yes as fans we demand more... we demand the board be sacked... DF to be sacked... the players to be motivated and new signings to miraculously appear. Yes we do not understand WTF Financial Fair Play means to the club and why it is used as an excuse when other clubs have been spending like crazy. I can shed some light on FFP and why we are in the position we are in... I have to got back to the beginning of my comment - punching above our weight. Simply put for too long the club has been spending all the while we have not been filling up the stadium, even in the good times. We could not fill the stadium when we historically got into Europe... this has been a MASSIVE factor in why the club has been losing money and why BWFC are in freefall and debt. Let us be honest with ourselves here... we all want the passion to come back to the club, players, management and supporters alike. But we are not going to achieve that without supporting the club. I have been guilty of wishing not to go to the ground... we cannot be like that, and as a club BWFC certainly cannot afford to lose our support. Daum last weekend I was even guilty of stating we should start an AFC Wimbledon style club... I retract that statement. How are WE fans going to help stop the rot? Fill that stadium up throughout the season... I plead with the fans to come back... I plead with the fans that have stayed away for far loo long to make every other Saturday and the odd Tuesday to come back and back the team whether we are playing Shrewsbury or MUFC. We need that stadium full of white shirts... it is the ONLY way we can voice ourselves and financially support the club to get back where we belong. Let us be real... no money... No support... No Premier League! COYWM Bolton til I die![/p][/quote]The problem is that the move to the Reebok and the steady increase in prices over the years has alienated a lot of the fans who used to support the club through thick and thin as a matter of habit. We SHOULD have stayed at Burnden. I know of dozens of supporters who never missed a match at Burnden who have never been to the Reebok. They have been driven away as Gartside has chased a different clientele. These so-called supporters have now found something else to do on Saturday so we have lost the old style supporters and the new through Gartside's delusions of grandeur.[/p][/quote]Basically in a nutshell exactly what I am saying. Winning back the fans of the Burnden days is not going to be an easy task. And that is why I am asking for the board to come up with an incentive to help bring those fans back and see what a magnificent club we still do have. Yes exactly what I am saying about alienating the fans... What the old board and the present board do not realize is just how lucky they are that some fans stayed the coarse and came to the Reebok (Macaroni lol) - It could have been so much different and we could have seen fans leave altogether to form a new club in Bolton not Horwich. At the end of the day what has been done has been done, but it does not excuse the presumption factor of the board that fans will continue to be part of is increasingly looking like a sinking ship... even through the Premiership days many fans still felt alienated enough to stay away from the ground, the pricing and the overall dislike for the boards directors and the move from Burnden was not forgotten. Never mind honoring the players in the Hall of Fame, the fans need to be immortalized at the Ground... I think the board should think about the naming of the stadium in the future and return the ground to the original name in honor of the fans... It could be renamed Burnden Park sponsored by ??? As part of naming rights the fans should be remembered, after all fans are every bit as much part of the clubs sponsorship as potential customers as they are the history of the club. I also think that certain seats should be named after the fans that died in the Burnden tragedy, Each one with a name attached. The club has forgotten how much the fans have adapted to suit the new surroundings - those fans who stayed the coarse fans did not have to do that. For many even if the boundaries of Horwich changed to incorporate Middlebrook into 'true' Bolton - Bolton Wanderers will still not be the same, even some of the younger generation of fans will always see Burnden Park as the true and spiritual home of BWFC... and is a bloody good reason for the board of directors to recognize the sacrifices that many have made to continue to support the club, and another reason to help in any way they can to bring those supporters back to the club, even if it means halving ticket prices until we get back to the Premier League - because the alternative, a club with diminishing support and Administration is unthinkable... especially if Bolton Wanderers as a club had to rebrand to be named Wanderers of Bolton etc after any Administration procedures. Those that have been alienated by the move, the board, the prices should speak up now and ram this home to the board. It seems like either the board have forgotten the sacrifices many made, and the fact that they DID actually earn a lot of distrust from the said Burnden Park fanbase,.. that trust has not had any real reason to be respectfully brought back to Middlebrook. Something does need to be done, and it needs to be done before the ship sinks. COYWM! Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 5

8:32pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Cynic_Al_14 says...

As someone already said my first thoughts where "Or else what?"

Beckford I suspect will end up going out on loan, can't see him getting back into the fold. Mason signed a new deal at Cardiff so he doesn't really care, he will go back there or elsewhere. Craig Davies on his own. Can do what he wants.

If theres one person who knows that it doesn't matter how bad you are you won't be replaced its Mr Freedman. Just wish it was Eddie Davies giving the "shake up or else" speech. And for argument sake pinning all the blame on the strikers doesn't really work when you concede two a game and don't play last seasons top scorer. Beckford has joined the club of Dougie signings who now Dougie doesn't feel are any good but its still not his fault though!
As someone already said my first thoughts where "Or else what?" Beckford I suspect will end up going out on loan, can't see him getting back into the fold. Mason signed a new deal at Cardiff so he doesn't really care, he will go back there or elsewhere. Craig Davies on his own. Can do what he wants. If theres one person who knows that it doesn't matter how bad you are you won't be replaced its Mr Freedman. Just wish it was Eddie Davies giving the "shake up or else" speech. And for argument sake pinning all the blame on the strikers doesn't really work when you concede two a game and don't play last seasons top scorer. Beckford has joined the club of Dougie signings who now Dougie doesn't feel are any good but its still not his fault though! Cynic_Al_14
  • Score: 5

8:49pm Thu 4 Sep 14

jenny50 says...

mattaiuseire wrote:
Balboa wrote:
Club to be sold in 18 months or sooner. You heard it here first.
More like club to go into administration within 18 months.

On the topic point - how can Douglas expect more than what he's getting when Beckford scored 2 against Crewe mid-week and was only given 12 minutes to make an impact in the weekend game against Leeds?

He's not the best player in the world, but give him a run and he will score more goals than Craig Davies or any other striker we have in the club. At the moment we are beggars and we can't be choosers.
Scoring goals is just one problem, when you are concedeing an average of two goals per game is just as much of a problem
[quote][p][bold]mattaiuseire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Balboa[/bold] wrote: Club to be sold in 18 months or sooner. You heard it here first.[/p][/quote]More like club to go into administration within 18 months. On the topic point - how can Douglas expect more than what he's getting when Beckford scored 2 against Crewe mid-week and was only given 12 minutes to make an impact in the weekend game against Leeds? He's not the best player in the world, but give him a run and he will score more goals than Craig Davies or any other striker we have in the club. At the moment we are beggars and we can't be choosers.[/p][/quote]Scoring goals is just one problem, when you are concedeing an average of two goals per game is just as much of a problem jenny50
  • Score: 5

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