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Don't blame Jussi
8:39am Monday 3rd March 2008
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DEFIANT team-mates rallied round Jussi Jaaskelainen last night, refusing to let the goalkeeper take the rap for the defeat that left Wanderers teetering on the brink of the Premiership drop zone.
The Finland international conceded a bizarre own goal that sent Liverpool on their way to a 3-1 win that left the dark clouds of relegation hovering over the Reebok.
But no one was playing the blame game.
Centre-back Gary Cahill, who joined Wanderers from Aston Villa in January and has quickly built up rapport with Jaaskelainen said: "We've given him a pat on the back and told him to keep his chin up.
"He's been outstanding since I've been here and he's kept us in many a game.
"It was one of those unfortunate things that happens to every player once in a blue moon and it is once in a blue moon for him because I don't see him making mistakes like that.
"We didn't dwell on it. In fact no one mentioned it in the dressing room. You didn't have to point the finger because he knows it was a big mistake.
"He knows himself, the lads know, but we just pick ourselves up and carry on."
The 10th minute incident left Wanderers, who started the game well, facing an uphill battle in their efforts to secure vital safety points on a weekend when rivals Reading and Birmingham got wins that increased the relegation pressures on Gary Megson's side.
Steven Gerrard's speculative shot was going wide until Jaaskelainen got his arm to it, knocking the ball against his own face and spinning into the net.
It was a rare clanger by the 32-year-old, who is rated one of Europe's top keepers, and one that Liverpool took full advantage of to complete a Premiership double over Wanderers, who were again left cursing their luck, which seems to have deserted them in recent weeks.
But Megson refused to let Jaaskelainen carry the can, suggesting the modern day ball that has a tendency to move in the air, might have contributed to his embarrassment.
"There is no blame," the manager said. "The lad is a great goalkeeper and he made two fantastic saves after that. He holds his hands up, it was a mistake and it wasn't going in.
"Apparently, the ball has moved in the air as they do nowadays. The ball is a lot more prone to moving than a lot of the old fashioned balls. It has hit him in the face and spun the wrong side of the post from our point of view."
Andy O'Brien, who has been impressive at the heart of the back four since joining Wanderers from Portsmouth in August, stressed that the survival mission continued to be a collective effort.
"We don't blame individuals," he said. "We've done well defensively because of the work ethic. People make mistakes and things will go against you, but it's important to keep the work ethic going.
"We don't blame Jussi for that first goal, we've got 10 games left and we've just got to get on with it."
Wanderers paid a high price for their third successive Premiership defeat losing right-back Gretar Steinsson with a thigh injury just before half time and skipper Kevin Nolan failed to appear for the second half with a back complaint.
Both will have a fortnight to recover before Wanderers play their next league game at Wigan on Sunday, March 16. Steinsson isn't eligible for the UEFA Cup Round of 16 tie against Sporting Lisbon - the first leg of which takes place on Thursday at the Reebok - and Megson hinted last night that Nolan may not be considered for either that or the return in Lisbon on Thursday week, because he is too important to the survival effort.
"We'll be picking sides (for the European games) with an eye to doing well in that competition but more so to do well in the Premiership," he said.
"Everything's been focused and will continue to be focused on survival. We're in a perilous position and everything's got to be dictated by our league position."
Stressing Nolan's importance to the team, he added: "I find it really strange that he is not appreciated a lot more here than he actually is. Every time we have played in the Premiership without him we haven't looked the same team. It isn't just his football, it is his leadership qualities.
"He probably shouldn't have started the game, he was having back problems before we set off but he wanted to play. It's just a shame he couldn't carry on."
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eenie, Derby says...
9:13am Mon 3 Mar 08
As for Jussi, I think he lacks confidence. When you begin the season with Samuel, cid & meite though, you're not going to have a great confidence anyway and he's looked a shadow this season of his great self. A rest is the best cure, give him 3-5 games out of the side, see what Ali can do and in the meantime he might regain the hunger for the game for us. However with his contract up that may also be a factor, we don't know.
I'm hoping on thursday to give mr megson 2 words, Andranik & Vaz Te (well, 3 if you're picky) and if that doesn't work, i'll just get him to sign the page of cloughies autobiography when he talks about him!
Aidan, sheffield says...
9:15am Mon 3 Mar 08
From the whole squad i came up with Diouf and Nolan, if anyone else scores its a shock.
Kevin Nolan and Diouf are now Boltons best players, about the only people that any other team would give good money for. The people who consistantly knock him are the 'follow my leader' idiots who listen to other people who know nothing about the game. Yes he had a bad patch, but he is our only creative midfielder who has the ability to get beyond the last man. In reference to Jmaes, i hope he continues to not tackle, we have two other midfielders with less ability to do that, we have only one who has the ability to do that as well as pick out others. The example being that superd cross onto Davies head yesterday.
we have 10 games to get four wins, if we do it i guarantee Nolan will be at the centre of it.
I for one (and i know of many others - who are actual fans)appreciate him.
Reevsey n Philliskirk, stood ont burnden terrace (Bread Isle at ASDA now) says...
9:18am Mon 3 Mar 08
Jussi made a howler yesterday but I for one wont be critiscing him as hes been a marvellous servant to the club in the past ten years and when he's gone next year I think only then will some people realise just how good he has been for us.
Were not doomed yet people!!!
I only hope on Thursday we give a good account of ourselfs again in Europe, ok for soem its not a priority but were in the last 16 of a major competition surely we should strive to win it, or am I missing the point of having a football club.?
Come on you whites
Aidan, sheffield says...
9:23am Mon 3 Mar 08
So why not just go for the UEFA, at least we can live the dream one last time before we cruble away thats to the greed of the board.
Julie Moores, Bolton says...
9:27am Mon 3 Mar 08
Maybe not his fault. Someone has told him he should play centre mid, Megson thinks he is the next Gerrard, even playing him when injured. He is not a good captain and I agree his form has gone worse since his baby came.
Yesterday he was waving at the bench after about 10 minutes, gave the ball away a few times, hoofed a shot miles over, but did make a great cross from out wide which is his better position. Big Sam never played him in centre mid and I can see why.
He needs to give the captaincy to Davies and give up the idea he is a premiership midfielder. Relegation looks very likely now with him the on field leader and Megson off field. A terrible combination.
Lancashire73, Bolton says...
9:29am Mon 3 Mar 08
Aidan wrote:I can't believe people are still going on about selling Anelka. He wanted to play in the Champions league not the Championship. Would it have much better if we were relegated and then he left? We've gotta let that one go now and look at what we've got to work with. I believe this group of players are good enough to stay up-just.If we spend the next month crying and saying we're going down then we will. We've gotta get behind them, go to Wigan with as many as they'll let us take and sing them to 3 points.
I for the first time think we are going down. And if we do its down to one decision - SELLING ANELKA. So why not just go for the UEFA, at least we can live the dream one last time before we cruble away thats to the greed of the board.
trottersforever, bolton says...
9:36am Mon 3 Mar 08
Of late he has improved immeasurably, but that's not the same thing as saying he is playing well (not cosistently anyway) but he was playing so badly before that anything would be an improvement.
As for who would we play instead of him? Well what about Andranik? he pushes up, shoots at goal, so he may not be very defensive minded, but tackling & heading are hardly Nolan's strong points are they and anyone can wave there arms about in front of an attacker, which is what Nolan seems to think constitutes defending!
As for not blaming Jussi for the defeat....I'd say his total misjudgement went a long way to contributing towards it.....the ball was so obviously going wide, why did he go for it in the first place? It put us on the back foot and as stats prove we have never won a game when the first goal scored has been against us. Where has our fighting spirit gone?
Aidan, sheffield says...
9:39am Mon 3 Mar 08
davie, leigh says...
9:41am Mon 3 Mar 08
Cohen scored, but ran around like an headless chicken.
Without Nolan we had
nothing.
The midfield was completely over run.
I bet Gerrard wished he was playing against us every week .
The time and space he got was criminal .
Julie Moores, Bolton says...
9:42am Mon 3 Mar 08
Lancashire73, Bolton says...
9:53am Mon 3 Mar 08
trottersforever, bolton says...
9:55am Mon 3 Mar 08
davie wrote:That was Megson's fault for having Cohen (who just isn't good enough) on the bench....if he knew (and it seems he did) that Nolan was carrying an injury he should have had someone on the bench capable of filling that role. Why has Cohen risen to the top of the pecking order anyway? When other promising young players are withering away in the reserves.
When Nolan went off at half time Julie that was it. Cohen scored, but ran around like an headless chicken. Without Nolan we had nothing. The midfield was completely over run. I bet Gerrard wished he was playing against us every week . The time and space he got was criminal .
If we go down (and its looking more likely the more you look at our up-coming fixtures) we may have to rely on those youngsters to get us back up...that's if any of them stay.
Jussi will be on the move, Campo will probably defect back to Spain (although his usefulness is being called into question more and more), Cahill probably has an escape clause, Stelios has only been a bit player this season, Diouf will go abroad (no team in this country will buy him), Steinsson may also have an escape clause and hopefully most of the other dross will be jetisoned, won't leave us much will it?
I am not religious but I am praying every week that other results go our way (it's not working :(( ) and I hope to God we don't go down because I can't see us getting back up.
trottersforever, bolton says...
10:03am Mon 3 Mar 08
Lancashire73 wrote:Have you seen our up coming fixtures? Too right I am panicking. Where, realistically, do you think we are going to pick up points? and now that the Utd game has been rearranged for the 19th March, we play Sporting Lisbon (A), Wigan (A), Man Utd (A) & ManCity (H), in the space of 10 days, followed by Arsenal (H),
Last week they were all warriors who achieved wonders by beating A.Madrid. This week they're a pub team. Is everyone on here a teenager with yo-yo emotions? Newsflash - Ryan Babel alone cost £11.5. Steven Gerrard is one of the best players in the world... - yet when they beat us(which they should 9 times out of 10)its panic stations. Grow up.
davie, leigh says...
10:05am Mon 3 Mar 08
Some of the comments on here beggar belief.
Dont agree with you view on the UEFA cup though .
I wish we were out of it.
Our squad isnt big enough or good enough.
It will cost us dearly.
United can afford to have Rooney and Ronaldo on the bench.
Wigan will be rubbing their hands at the prospect of playing us after the game in Lisbon
apple, says...
10:12am Mon 3 Mar 08
Andy, Staffordshire says...
10:23am Mon 3 Mar 08
Chris Manning, Gotham City PD, says...
10:26am Mon 3 Mar 08
birch, chorley says...
10:50am Mon 3 Mar 08
Against Blackburn and Liverpool we went down to goals that shouldnt have been and its costs us the game.
We may have shored up our defence but we lack the abillity to go out and win a game when we have too. At the moment we have to win evry game!
I am worried because we have the most toothless attack after derby. birmingham signed the argentinian wonderkid and mcfadden, wigan signed king, boro signed alves, reading have lita/kitson/doyle and sunderland are managing to score a few.
i really do worry that our in abillity to get someone in will cost us dear!
BoltonAndy, Newcastle upon Tyne says...
10:51am Mon 3 Mar 08
BWFC - TIL - I - DIE, BOLTON says...
10:55am Mon 3 Mar 08
gordon lythgoe, says...
10:59am Mon 3 Mar 08
The whole game changed completely in the second half.
We missed the tireless running of Guthrie.
Cohen is not as good as me.
Campo is finished.
Joey OB,is simply not good enough.
Gerrard will never get so much space ever again.
Babbel ran Steinsson ragged.
I think he was just glad to get off the pitch.
Davies and Diouf played well,but they never get service or space.
Oh! and Rasiak .....
after yesterdays performance.
I thought, bloody hell, this is our replacement for whats his name again.
Its not looking good.
Chris Manning, Gotham City PD, says...
11:03am Mon 3 Mar 08
How Cohen starts ahead of Stelios/Ando/Alonso/
McCann/Braaten is beyond me. A little bit fishy that he plays above all these other more qualified players against the team that his Dad (AND AGENT) made his name for.
trottersforever, bolton says...
11:09am Mon 3 Mar 08
BoltonAndy wrote:It's very kind of you to allow others to have their own opinion, unfortunately you equate someone having a different opinion to yourself as someone who knows nothing about football.
I can't beleive someone is having a go at Nolan's backbone. If they all had is backbone we'd be nowhere near the bootom of the table this season. When he went off yesterday we looked totally lost, in fact all during the second half we were clueless. When he isn't on the pitch we look a lot worse team. Since Megson came and restored him to his correct position he has been our most consistent performer. If somebody has a different opinion then fair enough, but if if you know nothing about football then really you should just shut up and keep your opinions to yourself and stop embarassing yourself.
Has Nolan not been playing all season? Has he not been part of a team whose only consistency has been in consistantly underperforming. He is not the only player who has been under performing - but seems to be the only player that no-one is supposed to criticise.
Lancashire73, Bolton says...
11:21am Mon 3 Mar 08
trottersforever wrote:I know the fixture list. That's the reality. All I'm saying is instead of jibbering on about Nolan and Jussi, why not get behind them? They are human beings and in truth the team have been punching miles above their weight for ages. Fact is Jussi is one of the best goalkeepers we've ever had and Nolan is already a Bolton legend. Nothing has changed from this time yesterday - we were never getting anything off Liverpool. Now is not the time to start freaking out, now is the time to fight. If we go down, we go down-that's showbiz. Its happened before and it will happen again.
Lancashire73 wrote: Last week they were all warriors who achieved wonders by beating A.Madrid. This week they're a pub team. Is everyone on here a teenager with yo-yo emotions? Newsflash - Ryan Babel alone cost £11.5. Steven Gerrard is one of the best players in the world... - yet when they beat us(which they should 9 times out of 10)its panic stations. Grow up.Have you seen our up coming fixtures? Too right I am panicking. Where, realistically, do you think we are going to pick up points? and now that the Utd game has been rearranged for the 19th March, we play Sporting Lisbon (A), Wigan (A), Man Utd (A) & ManCity (H), in the space of 10 days, followed by Arsenal (H),
Chris Manning, Gotham City PD, says...
11:24am Mon 3 Mar 08
Granted, he'll be remembered for those goals against the Filth, but other than that I can't see him being remembered in 10yrs in the same way that Super John is.
I doubt in 10yrs we'll be singing songs about Nolan like we do about some other former stars.
James, Westhoughton says...
11:26am Mon 3 Mar 08
Chris Manning, Gotham City PD wrote:Beat me to it Chris!!!
Nolan - a Bolton legend? Granted, he'll be remembered for those goals against the Filth, but other than that I can't see him being remembered in 10yrs in the same way that Super John is. I doubt in 10yrs we'll be singing songs about Nolan like we do about some other former stars.
I am sat here thinking "Nolan" and "Legend" trying to tie those two words together. It is a struggle.
Lancashire73, Bolton says...
11:28am Mon 3 Mar 08
Chris Manning, Gotham City PD wrote:Brilliant. Super John was a first division player. Nolan has been on the brink of the England squad and scored 49 goals for the Whites from midfield. He's been captain for how long? People still sing songs about Owen Coyle and God knows who else. Fact is these players are not in the same league(literally) as the players we've had over the last few years.
Nolan - a Bolton legend? Granted, he'll be remembered for those goals against the Filth, but other than that I can't see him being remembered in 10yrs in the same way that Super John is. I doubt in 10yrs we'll be singing songs about Nolan like we do about some other former stars.
AlanHandsome, Garstang says...
11:33am Mon 3 Mar 08
How on earth can you call him, he's been one of our best players this season and he always give his best.
Julie Moores, your knowledge of football is appaling i could write it all on the back of a postage stamp!!!
How on earth do you expect Nolan to play well when you get idiots slagging him off at matches its shocking.Give him a break, he came off the pitch with a back injury and in the second half he was sorely missed.
If he's missing for the Wigan game then we will be in big trouble!!!
trottersforever, bolton says...
11:33am Mon 3 Mar 08
Lancashire73 wrote:I have never yet booed a player whilst they have been on the pitch, and I get behind them at every opportunity.....but why we shouldn't have got something off Liverpool, they haven't beaten us at the Reebok for 5 years....we were in the ascendancy when "they" scored. I agree that Jussi is one of the best keepers we have ever had, but this season has made more errors than ever, and he's going at the end of the season, why not play Al Habsi?? To say Nolan is already a Bolton legend is a bit strong...Nat Lofthouse is a Bolton legend and Nolan isn't fit to tie his boots.
trottersforever wrote:I know the fixture list. That's the reality. All I'm saying is instead of jibbering on about Nolan and Jussi, why not get behind them? They are human beings and in truth the team have been punching miles above their weight for ages. Fact is Jussi is one of the best goalkeepers we've ever had and Nolan is already a Bolton legend. Nothing has changed from this time yesterday - we were never getting anything off Liverpool. Now is not the time to start freaking out, now is the time to fight. If we go down, we go down-that's showbiz. Its happened before and it will happen again.Lancashire73 wrote: Last week they were all warriors who achieved wonders by beating A.Madrid. This week they're a pub team. Is everyone on here a teenager with yo-yo emotions? Newsflash - Ryan Babel alone cost £11.5. Steven Gerrard is one of the best players in the world... - yet when they beat us(which they should 9 times out of 10)its panic stations. Grow up.Have you seen our up coming fixtures? Too right I am panicking. Where, realistically, do you think we are going to pick up points? and now that the Utd game has been rearranged for the 19th March, we play Sporting Lisbon (A), Wigan (A), Man Utd (A) & ManCity (H), in the space of 10 days, followed by Arsenal (H),
As for it being the time to fight for our survival, I agree, i just wish the players (and that's all of them) would fight a bit harder.
If we go down as you say we go down...it doesn't mean I have to be happy about it.
il duce, bolton says...
11:36am Mon 3 Mar 08
contrary to popular opinion i think his best aspect to the team is the fact hes captain. Hes not a great player but when he plays everyone seems to know what theyre doing a lot more. Davies cant be captain, how can a striker see players if theyre out of position?
Chris Manning, Gotham City PD, says...
11:41am Mon 3 Mar 08
Lancashire73 wrote:OK, well the only 'legend' award Nolan will receive will be a loyalty award from Greggs.
Chris Manning, Gotham City PD wrote: Nolan - a Bolton legend? Granted, he'll be remembered for those goals against the Filth, but other than that I can't see him being remembered in 10yrs in the same way that Super John is. I doubt in 10yrs we'll be singing songs about Nolan like we do about some other former stars.Brilliant. Super John was a first division player. Nolan has been on the brink of the England squad and scored 49 goals for the Whites from midfield. He's been captain for how long? People still sing songs about Owen Coyle and God knows who else. Fact is these players are not in the same league(literally) as the players we've had over the last few years.
Lancashire73, Bolton says...
11:53am Mon 3 Mar 08
Chris Manning, Gotham City PD wrote:Super John visiting Greggs REGULARLY obviously didn't bother you. If Nolan was put up for sale tomorrow there would be loads of takers and without those 49 goals he's scored over the last few years, we'd be nowhere.
Lancashire73 wrote:OK, well the only 'legend' award Nolan will receive will be a loyalty award from Greggs.Chris Manning, Gotham City PD wrote: Nolan - a Bolton legend? Granted, he'll be remembered for those goals against the Filth, but other than that I can't see him being remembered in 10yrs in the same way that Super John is. I doubt in 10yrs we'll be singing songs about Nolan like we do about some other former stars.Brilliant. Super John was a first division player. Nolan has been on the brink of the England squad and scored 49 goals for the Whites from midfield. He's been captain for how long? People still sing songs about Owen Coyle and God knows who else. Fact is these players are not in the same league(literally) as the players we've had over the last few years.
White58, Bolton says...
11:55am Mon 3 Mar 08
il duce wrote:I agree about our 2nd half performance after Nolan's departure. But was that so surprising given the midfield players left on the pitch, and the decision to put on Rasiak instead ?
i cant believe nolan is still getting knocked, we looked useless the second half whan he wasnt playing. someone has already mentioned it but if anyone other than diouf or nolan scores its a shock, so not having nolan gets rid of a large amount of our goals. Id say roughly in every 10 we score diouf and nolan will get 7, Davies 1 or 2 and the other 1 or 2 between the rest of the team
contrary to popular opinion i think his best aspect to the team is the fact hes captain. Hes not a great player but when he plays everyone seems to know what theyre doing a lot more. Davies cant be captain, how can a striker see players if theyre out of position?
Megson knew Nolan was carrying an injury - so why not McCann (some midfield backbone) or Andranik (goal scoring) on the bench ?
It stinks of ineptitude.
White58, Bolton says...
12:02pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Lancashire73 wrote:Quite. we were always likely to lose at home to Liverpool this season, despite results in the previous 4-5 seasons.
trottersforever wrote:I know the fixture list. That's the reality. All I'm saying is instead of jibbering on about Nolan and Jussi, why not get behind them? They are human beings and in truth the team have been punching miles above their weight for ages. Fact is Jussi is one of the best goalkeepers we've ever had and Nolan is already a Bolton legend. Nothing has changed from this time yesterday - we were never getting anything off Liverpool. Now is not the time to start freaking out, now is the time to fight. If we go down, we go down-that's showbiz. Its happened before and it will happen again.
Lancashire73 wrote: Last week they were all warriors who achieved wonders by beating A.Madrid. This week they're a pub team. Is everyone on here a teenager with yo-yo emotions? Newsflash - Ryan Babel alone cost £11.5. Steven Gerrard is one of the best players in the world... - yet when they beat us(which they should 9 times out of 10)its panic stations. Grow up.Have you seen our up coming fixtures? Too right I am panicking. Where, realistically, do you think we are going to pick up points? and now that the Utd game has been rearranged for the 19th March, we play Sporting Lisbon (A), Wigan (A), Man Utd (A) & ManCity (H), in the space of 10 days, followed by Arsenal (H),
But "now is the time to fight" ???? You think the team understood that in the 2nd half yesterday ? Defeat is one thing, giving up is something else.
As you say, "if we go down, we go down". I've seen us do it seven times before - all the way to the 4th division. It doesn't mean I want to see it again, nor that I want the club to actively pursue it through management (owner/board/coach) ineptitude or laziness or desire.
It's up to the fans to support the club & team. It's up to the club to give us something to support.
Chris Manning, Gotham City PD, says...
12:02pm Mon 3 Mar 08
AlanHandsome, Garstang says...
12:07pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Lancashire73, Bolton says...
12:15pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Chris Manning, Gotham City PD wrote:I pity the players. 'It's up to the club to give us something to support.' We're in the last 16 of the UEFA Cup, we've got a team of international players, we just spent £5m on a central defender..etc. We're a corner shop competing with TESCO. Yet all they get is stick. I wouldn't blame Nolan or any of the others for saying stick your club and walking away. I wouldn't wanna be in the trenches with you lot.
If we put Nolan up for sale tomorrow, i'd get the car started and drive him away from our club myself.
Chris Manning, Gotham City PD, says...
12:15pm Mon 3 Mar 08
AlanHandsome wrote:If you learnt to spell, then I'd consider going.
Chris Manning, if you emigratted to Australia i would throw a party!!!!!
matt4763, Bolton says...
12:16pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Chris Manning, Gotham City PD wrote:What an absolute fool! Clearly just another idiot who knows nothing about football, jumping on the band wagon with all the other morons who were booing Nolan a few weeks back!
If we put Nolan up for sale tomorrow, i'd get the car started and drive him away from our club myself.
On the whole, Nolan's contribution over the years has been class. If there wasn't such an abundance of English centre midfielders, he would have been called up for international duty a long time ago!
Although Nolan has struggled over the last year or so, his performances of late have been a massive improvement and it was there for everyone to see yesterday. 2nd half without him, we never got going!
BoltonAndy, Newcastle upon Tyne says...
12:16pm Mon 3 Mar 08
SuperJohn was a great player for Bolton and he gave me some great memories when he was playing for us but it was all done in the lower leagues, when it came time to step up to the Premier league he wasn't good enough. Fact plain and simple. Kevin Nolan on the other hand has stepped up and continues to do so...so lay off the guy eh?
Lancashire73, Bolton says...
12:23pm Mon 3 Mar 08
AlanHandsome wrote:I'll get the bunting.
Chris Manning, if you emigratted to Australia i would throw a party!!!!!
Lancashire73, Bolton says...
12:30pm Mon 3 Mar 08
AlanHandsome wrote:I'll get the bunting.
Chris Manning, if you emigratted to Australia i would throw a party!!!!!
Chris Manning, Gotham City PD, says...
12:39pm Mon 3 Mar 08
matt4763 wrote:Nolan has struggled for the last three seasons.
Chris Manning, Gotham City PD wrote: If we put Nolan up for sale tomorrow, i'd get the car started and drive him away from our club myself.What an absolute fool! Clearly just another idiot who knows nothing about football, jumping on the band wagon with all the other morons who were booing Nolan a few weeks back! On the whole, Nolan's contribution over the years has been class. If there wasn't such an abundance of English centre midfielders, he would have been called up for international duty a long time ago! Although Nolan has struggled over the last year or so, his performances of late have been a massive improvement and it was there for everyone to see yesterday. 2nd half without him, we never got going!
Open your eyes.
Steve Battersby, Oldham says...
12:43pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Together we have to win 4 games from 10. Not easy but not impossible. We can have the inquests in May once the job is done. Yes surely there will be changes from boardroom down to youth set up if I'm not mistaken but now is not the time to pontificate about that.
So let's forget about Europe, save as many as 8 players for the Wigan game and make sure that we pick up the necessary points where we can. There is huge energy expended on this website by contributors. Let's channel it all into one big effort for the team. The art of positive thinking can and does bring about miracles so let's put it to the test.
PS Message to Keith Hackett. Please let us have Uriah Rennie - our lucky mascot - as referee for the Wigan game!
Lancashire73, Bolton says...
12:45pm Mon 3 Mar 08
gazz_ball - Supera Moras!, bolton says...
12:55pm Mon 3 Mar 08
trottersforever wrote:Is he not our top goalscorer?
BoltonAndy wrote: I can't beleive someone is having a go at Nolan's backbone. If they all had is backbone we'd be nowhere near the bootom of the table this season. When he went off yesterday we looked totally lost, in fact all during the second half we were clueless. When he isn't on the pitch we look a lot worse team. Since Megson came and restored him to his correct position he has been our most consistent performer. If somebody has a different opinion then fair enough, but if if you know nothing about football then really you should just shut up and keep your opinions to yourself and stop embarassing yourself.It's very kind of you to allow others to have their own opinion, unfortunately you equate someone having a different opinion to yourself as someone who knows nothing about football. Has Nolan not been playing all season? Has he not been part of a team whose only consistency has been in consistantly underperforming. He is not the only player who has been under performing - but seems to be the only player that no-one is supposed to criticise.
Reevsey n Philliskirk, stood ont burnden terrace (Bread Isle at ASDA now) says...
12:57pm Mon 3 Mar 08
birch, chorley says...
1:03pm Mon 3 Mar 08
I WOULDNT FANCY US AGAINST DERBY AT HOME LET ALONE ARSENAL!
I WORRY THAT WE ARE DOOMED AND I FEEL THIS WILL BE DUE TO THE FACT WE SIGNED NO DECENT STRIKER IN JANUARY!
RASIAK MY ARSE!
matt4763, Bolton says...
1:05pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Chris Manning, Gotham City PD wrote:They haven't been closed mate!
matt4763 wrote:Nolan has struggled for the last three seasons. Open your eyes.Chris Manning, Gotham City PD wrote: If we put Nolan up for sale tomorrow, i'd get the car started and drive him away from our club myself.What an absolute fool! Clearly just another idiot who knows nothing about football, jumping on the band wagon with all the other morons who were booing Nolan a few weeks back! On the whole, Nolan's contribution over the years has been class. If there wasn't such an abundance of English centre midfielders, he would have been called up for international duty a long time ago! Although Nolan has struggled over the last year or so, his performances of late have been a massive improvement and it was there for everyone to see yesterday. 2nd half without him, we never got going!
Why you wasting your time on here, shouldn't you be in Chorley with your anti-Bolton banners, booing our players? To55er!
Themojorityspeaks, Real World says...
1:05pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Reevsey n Philliskirk wrote:play nolan up front and stellios or andranik in mid couldnt be any worse than we are now.
Okay I asked this in my earlier post, If Nolan doesnt play who out the current squad is far better than him in midfield???? Mcann? Cohen? Alonso? none of these are up to the standard Nolan is the best we have at the minute if we had a decent replacement then argue about it, fact is we havnt so just get behind him, help him to help the team to keep us up. Then in summer you can all beg the board to get a midfielder instead of a striker then.
Callando, leigh says...
1:15pm Mon 3 Mar 08
BoltonAndy wrote:Maybe the fact your from Newcastle clouds your judgement & makes you prone to these ridiculous comments. I think myself & all these normal Bolton fans should come up there & sort you out.
trottersforever- no need to mention it...I'll kindly allow you an opinion. The point is he is constantly criticised often unfairly. We were a rudderless ship without him yesterday. Comparing him to Gerrard, who is unquestionably world class, is unfair at the very least. SuperJohn was a great player for Bolton and he gave me some great memories when he was playing for us but it was all done in the lower leagues, when it came time to step up to the Premier league he wasn't good enough. Fact plain and simple. Kevin Nolan on the other hand has stepped up and continues to do so...so lay off the guy eh?
Themojorityspeaks, Real World says...
1:17pm Mon 3 Mar 08
when stellios or vaz played they stayed out on set pieces against us and was pretty quick on the break but with the team megson puts out we dont have that anymore so it makes all the midfield look useless when maybe it just needs one player changing.
Aidan, sheffield says...
1:18pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Also Cheers for the support Davie, some of these comments annoy so much that i hardly get any work done. I refuse to even read what Julie Moores writes, im just thankful i dont have to hear her say them, only thing i want to know is where she sits so i never get the unforutune to sit anywhere near her.
pij28589, Fleetwood says...
1:18pm Mon 3 Mar 08
pij28589, Fleetwood says...
1:18pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Chris Manning, Gotham City PD, says...
1:25pm Mon 3 Mar 08
matt4763 wrote:Have you seen the snow? No chance am I going out in this.
Chris Manning, Gotham City PD wrote:They haven't been closed mate! Why you wasting your time on here, shouldn't you be in Chorley with your anti-Bolton banners, booing our players? To55er!matt4763 wrote:Nolan has struggled for the last three seasons. Open your eyes.Chris Manning, Gotham City PD wrote: If we put Nolan up for sale tomorrow, i'd get the car started and drive him away from our club myself.What an absolute fool! Clearly just another idiot who knows nothing about football, jumping on the band wagon with all the other morons who were booing Nolan a few weeks back! On the whole, Nolan's contribution over the years has been class. If there wasn't such an abundance of English centre midfielders, he would have been called up for international duty a long time ago! Although Nolan has struggled over the last year or so, his performances of late have been a massive improvement and it was there for everyone to see yesterday. 2nd half without him, we never got going!
I'll hang around Hampsons up at the Bok, will no doubt run into Nolan at some point.
Reevsey n Philliskirk, stood ont burnden terrace (Bread Isle at ASDA now) says...
1:28pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Themojorityspeaks wrote:A forward thinking post, its such relief to have one of them!!
Reevsey n Philliskirk wrote: Okay I asked this in my earlier post, If Nolan doesnt play who out the current squad is far better than him in midfield???? Mcann? Cohen? Alonso? none of these are up to the standard Nolan is the best we have at the minute if we had a decent replacement then argue about it, fact is we havnt so just get behind him, help him to help the team to keep us up. Then in summer you can all beg the board to get a midfielder instead of a striker then.play nolan up front and stellios or andranik in mid couldnt be any worse than we are now.
Themojorityspeaks, Real World says...
1:30pm Mon 3 Mar 08
hampsons also have lots of healthy food but didn't know there was one at the bok as i would be a regular.
Chris Manning, Gotham City PD, says...
1:39pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Themojorityspeaks wrote:Aye well perhaps not Hampsons at the Bok.
if your going to sla9 someone for eating junk food pick at least mac d's. hampsons also have lots of healthy food but didn't know there was one at the bok as i would be a regular.
You hear about Stevie G etc having a home cinema in their houses, what's the betting Nolan has a home bakery in his?
matt4763, Bolton says...
1:40pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Themojorityspeaks wrote:Always been more of a Carrs man myself, probably not as much choice as Hampsons but the pasties are second to none!
if your going to sla9 someone for eating junk food pick at least mac d's. hampsons also have lots of healthy food but didn't know there was one at the bok as i would be a regular.
Themojorityspeaks, Real World says...
1:51pm Mon 3 Mar 08
matt4763 wrote:the pastry is a killer.
Themojorityspeaks wrote: if your going to sla9 someone for eating junk food pick at least mac d's. hampsons also have lots of healthy food but didn't know there was one at the bok as i would be a regular.Always been more of a Carrs man myself, probably not as much choice as Hampsons but the pasties are second to none!
watching us yesterday i saw something that makes my blood boil..j o b backing off when when a player is coming at him and im not having a go at him cos you see it in 90% of games but if you know one of your team mates is behind you why not get stuck in?
Chris Manning, Gotham City PD, says...
1:55pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Themojorityspeaks wrote:Exactly.
matt4763 wrote:the pastry is a killer. watching us yesterday i saw something that makes my blood boil..j o b backing off when when a player is coming at him and im not having a go at him cos you see it in 90% of games but if you know one of your team mates is behind you why not get stuck in?Themojorityspeaks wrote: if your going to sla9 someone for eating junk food pick at least mac d's. hampsons also have lots of healthy food but didn't know there was one at the bok as i would be a regular.Always been more of a Carrs man myself, probably not as much choice as Hampsons but the pasties are second to none!
I turned to my mate and said 'watching those full backs is like watching Jimmy Phillips' - he used to just back off and watch the player run as far as they wanted! Most annoying.
charlie, wigan says...
2:44pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Lancashire73 wrote:Too right think some people on this website are only happy when they have something to moan about no-one wants to go down but it has happened to better teams than us. but until it is certain I for one think we will stay up
trottersforever wrote:I know the fixture list. That's the reality. All I'm saying is instead of jibbering on about Nolan and Jussi, why not get behind them? They are human beings and in truth the team have been punching miles above their weight for ages. Fact is Jussi is one of the best goalkeepers we've ever had and Nolan is already a Bolton legend. Nothing has changed from this time yesterday - we were never getting anything off Liverpool. Now is not the time to start freaking out, now is the time to fight. If we go down, we go down-that's showbiz. Its happened before and it will happen again.Lancashire73 wrote: Last week they were all warriors who achieved wonders by beating A.Madrid. This week they're a pub team. Is everyone on here a teenager with yo-yo emotions? Newsflash - Ryan Babel alone cost £11.5. Steven Gerrard is one of the best players in the world... - yet when they beat us(which they should 9 times out of 10)its panic stations. Grow up.Have you seen our up coming fixtures? Too right I am panicking. Where, realistically, do you think we are going to pick up points? and now that the Utd game has been rearranged for the 19th March, we play Sporting Lisbon (A), Wigan (A), Man Utd (A) & ManCity (H), in the space of 10 days, followed by Arsenal (H),
birch, chorley says...
2:53pm Mon 3 Mar 08
We need a striker
We need a striker
We need a striker
We need a striker
We need a striker
We need a striker
We need a striker
We need a striker
We need a striker
We need a striker
JB, Across the pond says...
3:16pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Julie Moores, Bolton says...
3:20pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Two weeks ago he was complaining the home match against Athletico wasnt on live TV as it was TOO FAR TO TRAVEL FROM GARSTANG FOR A NIGHT MATCH. 40 minutes does it take Alan- WOW.
Not sure why everyone gets so tetchy about Nolan. OK, I think he's crap. So what? Only my opinion, let him prove me wrong before the season ends. 7 goals in 2 seasons, probably no more than 8 decent performances in past 70, which also includes 3 nice breaks for suspensions. What a legend !!
By the way BWFC, I also posted earlier that it was real naff of Jussi, nothing to do with bad luck.
apple, says...
3:37pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Nik, London says...
3:59pm Mon 3 Mar 08
apple wrote:We won't need another 15 points. We still have to play Wigan, Boro & Sunderland - 9 from those and a couple of token draws enroute will see us safe. The run in looks otherwise a pretty bleak sort of affair.
Those in football know why we appointed Megson well here is his premiers stats and those people in football always look at the previous 6 games so here goes: First six 2 wins 1 loss 3 draws points 9. Second Six 2 wins 4 losses points 6. Last 6 Won 1 drawn 2 lost 3 Points 5. Well he has set a points total for the remaining 10 Fixtures of 15 points thats five wins when in eighteen games he has only managed 5. The frightening thing is the decline in form and points since his arrival and each time he blames the failed attempts by the strike force. The only thing you can say more positive your team more chances they create and with only two chances on goal on sunday we got what we deserved from the negative formation he played.
Chris Manning, Gotham City PD, says...
4:05pm Mon 3 Mar 08
apple wrote:'Those in football' know we appointed Megson cos he's Gartside's mate.
Those in football know why we appointed Megson well here is his premiers stats and those people in football always look at the previous 6 games so here goes: First six 2 wins 1 loss 3 draws points 9. Second Six 2 wins 4 losses points 6. Last 6 Won 1 drawn 2 lost 3 Points 5. Well he has set a points total for the remaining 10 Fixtures of 15 points thats five wins when in eighteen games he has only managed 5. The frightening thing is the decline in form and points since his arrival and each time he blames the failed attempts by the strike force. The only thing you can say more positive your team more chances they create and with only two chances on goal on sunday we got what we deserved from the negative formation he played.
That is all.
apple, says...
4:12pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Nik, London says...
4:17pm Mon 3 Mar 08
apple wrote:No doubting you and never said we would get 9 points. Just saying that we don't need 15. Treat those 3 like cup finals and we might not be far short. As for the wider run in - its just going to be a case of damage limitation. In our favour we still have a better goal diff than Reading. We'll see.
Nik have you seen our recent results against Boro not very good and we had a better team. Wigan will not be easy first win against then last term again no push over and after our vist to Sunderland this year again not certain. We will proably get 6 points from these games if we become positive however, Megson and poitive don;t seam to mix lets stop putting all 11 players in our box for corners and throw ins thats a start.
BWFC 4 LYF, ROCHDALE says...
4:20pm Mon 3 Mar 08
gk:jaaskelainen
rb:steinsson
cb:a o'brien
cb:cahill
lb:gardner
rm:stelios
cm:nolan
lm:taylor
fw:helguson
cf:davies
fw:diouf
matt4763, Bolton says...
4:23pm Mon 3 Mar 08
BWFC 4 LYF wrote:No Guthrie?
this is our best team gk:jaaskelainen rb:steinsson cb:a o'brien cb:cahill lb:gardner rm:stelios cm:nolan lm:taylor fw:helguson cf:davies fw:diouf
BWFC 4 LYF, ROCHDALE says...
4:25pm Mon 3 Mar 08
matt4763 wrote:benched
BWFC 4 LYF wrote: this is our best team gk:jaaskelainen rb:steinsson cb:a o'brien cb:cahill lb:gardner rm:stelios cm:nolan lm:taylor fw:helguson cf:davies fw:dioufNo Guthrie?
matt4763, Bolton says...
4:28pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Trotter, Bolton says...
4:40pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Rank bad goalkeeping for me, tart it up the best you can, it was pathetic goalkeeping and add to the fact that he let in 2 goals against Blackburn on his NEAR post when all goalkeepers are forced to admit that they should never be beaten on the near post.
To add to all this I would like to point out that when his agent is negotiating with other clubs such as he is, then this can only be a distraction .......... just hope Ali Habsi will forgive Gartside and take up the position as soon as possible with a firm contract.
Habsi No 1 for me from now on.
Keep the faith
AlanHandsome, Garstang says...
4:42pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Julie Moores wrote:What the .... i went to the Madrid game actually and i didnt complain about it not being on tv, i said it was a good thing because more fans would turn out to the game.
Not sure how that Alan from Garstang has the nerve to call himself a fan or criticise anyone who posts on here. Two weeks ago he was complaining the home match against Athletico wasnt on live TV as it was TOO FAR TO TRAVEL FROM GARSTANG FOR A NIGHT MATCH. 40 minutes does it take Alan- WOW. Not sure why everyone gets so tetchy about Nolan. OK, I think he's crap. So what? Only my opinion, let him prove me wrong before the season ends. 7 goals in 2 seasons, probably no more than 8 decent performances in past 70, which also includes 3 nice breaks for suspensions. What a legend !! By the way BWFC, I also posted earlier that it was real naff of Jussi, nothing to do with bad luck.
Which they did, you absolute idiot you've got the bloody person, so ACTUALLY i do have the right to critise people on here who slag off players!!!!
"Nolan's crap", are you just on here to wind people up!!!! TALK SOME SENSE WOMAN!!!
It was a poor mistake by Jussi yesterday i admit, but i think he deserves to be let off the hook for all he's done for the whites.
Jussi is one of the main reasons we are still in the Prem!!
AlanHandsome, Garstang says...
4:43pm Mon 3 Mar 08
AlanHandsome, Garstang says...
4:47pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Trotter wrote:Near post????? it was the far post actually!!!!
Because this is a Jussi thread I will just comment on it only!! Rank bad goalkeeping for me, tart it up the best you can, it was pathetic goalkeeping and add to the fact that he let in 2 goals against Blackburn on his NEAR post when all goalkeepers are forced to admit that they should never be beaten on the near post. To add to all this I would like to point out that when his agent is negotiating with other clubs such as he is, then this can only be a distraction .......... just hope Ali Habsi will forgive Gartside and take up the position as soon as possible with a firm contract. Habsi No 1 for me from now on. Keep the faith
Trotter, Bolton says...
4:55pm Mon 3 Mar 08
AlanHandsome wrote:Jaaskelainen let 2 goals in on his NEAR post against Blackburn Rovers on Sunday the 24th
Trotter wrote: Because this is a Jussi thread I will just comment on it only!! Rank bad goalkeeping for me, tart it up the best you can, it was pathetic goalkeeping and add to the fact that he let in 2 goals against Blackburn on his NEAR post when all goalkeepers are forced to admit that they should never be beaten on the near post. To add to all this I would like to point out that when his agent is negotiating with other clubs such as he is, then this can only be a distraction .......... just hope Ali Habsi will forgive Gartside and take up the position as soon as possible with a firm contract. Habsi No 1 for me from now on. Keep the faithNear post????? it was the far post actually!!!!
FACT
ad_bwfc, Essex says...
4:57pm Mon 3 Mar 08
and also a place where i can get a decent pint before the game?
any help much a appreciated.
Trotter, Bolton says...
5:03pm Mon 3 Mar 08
ad_bwfc wrote:Try the Cheetham Arms on Blackburn Road mate, it is on the BWFC bus Route as well, you will be able to have a few pints then hop on the bus there and back.
seeing as thursday isnt on tv i might have to get off work early and drive down on my lonesome. does anyone know any cheap cheap hotels near the reebok, not that shi te premier inn. and also a place where i can get a decent pint before the game? any help much a appreciated.
Not got the phone number (sorry) but the BWFC bus timetable will be on the BWFC offical website.
There is the Holiday Inn across the road from the Reebok as well.
Keep the Faith
AlanHandsome, Garstang says...
5:03pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Trotter wrote:NO
AlanHandsome wrote:Jaaskelainen let 2 goals in on his NEAR post against Blackburn Rovers on Sunday the 24th FACTTrotter wrote: Because this is a Jussi thread I will just comment on it only!! Rank bad goalkeeping for me, tart it up the best you can, it was pathetic goalkeeping and add to the fact that he let in 2 goals against Blackburn on his NEAR post when all goalkeepers are forced to admit that they should never be beaten on the near post. To add to all this I would like to point out that when his agent is negotiating with other clubs such as he is, then this can only be a distraction .......... just hope Ali Habsi will forgive Gartside and take up the position as soon as possible with a firm contract. Habsi No 1 for me from now on. Keep the faithNear post????? it was the far post actually!!!!
the cross was put in to the back post were benley headed it in, so it was not his near post.
and pedersens goal was played in from the wing were he was there at the back to put it in.
FACT
ad_bwfc, Essex says...
5:04pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Trotter wrote:thanks trotter!
ad_bwfc wrote: seeing as thursday isnt on tv i might have to get off work early and drive down on my lonesome. does anyone know any cheap cheap hotels near the reebok, not that shi te premier inn. and also a place where i can get a decent pint before the game? any help much a appreciated.Try the Cheetham Arms on Blackburn Road mate, it is on the BWFC bus Route as well, you will be able to have a few pints then hop on the bus there and back. Not got the phone number (sorry) but the BWFC bus timetable will be on the BWFC offical website. There is the Holiday Inn across the road from the Reebok as well. Keep the Faith
Trotter, Bolton says...
5:11pm Mon 3 Mar 08
I reckon you do not understand the meaning of NEAR post.
Reevsey n Philliskirk, stood ont burnden terrace (Bread Isle at ASDA now) says...
5:13pm Mon 3 Mar 08
AlanHandsome, Garstang says...
5:14pm Mon 3 Mar 08
But i dont think you can blame Jussi for those goals.
Trotter, Bolton says...
5:15pm Mon 3 Mar 08
ad_bwfc wrote:One I can recommend highly come to think of it, which is right next to a train station and they run a coach to the match.
seeing as thursday isnt on tv i might have to get off work early and drive down on my lonesome. does anyone know any cheap cheap hotels near the reebok, not that shi te premier inn. and also a place where i can get a decent pint before the game? any help much a appreciated.
Lostock Arms
Trotter, Bolton says...
5:18pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Reevsey n Philliskirk wrote:Good shout mate - the £400 is way over due to them doing a special rate, not sure what it is but the Brinsop is a good shout as well as the Lostock Arms which is about a 10 min coach journey from the Lostock.
Brinsop on the A6 15 mins walk away from the ground decent pint and decent hotel too. You'd have to look online for the number and stuff but there's aload you can stay at. Or you could spend a load and get a pitch side view at the DeVere's for 400 quid.
Reevsey n Philliskirk, stood ont burnden terrace (Bread Isle at ASDA now) says...
5:21pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Trotter, Bolton says...
5:22pm Mon 3 Mar 08
AlanHandsome wrote:lol .. "Always Gauard your near post"
near post???? he was running back from his near post to the back postg were the shot was being taken, you could say it either way so technically neither of us are wrong. But i dont think you can blame Jussi for those goals.
...... "Never get beaten on your near post" is another termonology.
You must have heard those quotes in football terms .......... surely.
Trotter, Bolton says...
5:24pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Locky is short for Lostock Arms .... we do not want you going for a swim, do we?
lol
Pedro, Bolton says...
5:28pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Trotter wrote:Near or far it is good to have you back Trotter!!!
Because this is a Jussi thread I will just comment on it only!!
Rank bad goalkeeping for me, tart it up the best you can, it was pathetic goalkeeping and add to the fact that he let in 2 goals against Blackburn on his NEAR post when all goalkeepers are forced to admit that they should never be beaten on the near post.
To add to all this I would like to point out that when his agent is negotiating with other clubs such as he is, then this can only be a distraction .......... just hope Ali Habsi will forgive Gartside and take up the position as soon as possible with a firm contract.
Habsi No 1 for me from now on.
Keep the faith
Also good to hear your views on Jussi which I happen to agree with but do not always like to air. Our goal difference is something I always look at (a very good indicator of a team's performance) and in previous seasons it has always been well worse than those teams around us. This season it has been better than the teams around us for a change until Blackburn. Bring on Al Habsi for the UEFA Cup games and lets have a further look at him. They didn't play him in the reserves to have a sharpened up second string keeper - why not??!! So many things that go on at our Football Club recently are very hard to understand to put it very mildly!
Come on you Whites and Keep the faith!
AlanHandsome, Garstang says...
5:30pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Trotter wrote:Course ive heard them, but how can you blame him when it was a deep ball to the back post were bentley was, he was sprinting back, that wasnt his near post, it was his back post!!!
AlanHandsome wrote: near post???? he was running back from his near post to the back postg were the shot was being taken, you could say it either way so technically neither of us are wrong. But i dont think you can blame Jussi for those goals.lol .. "Always Gauard your near post" ...... "Never get beaten on your near post" is another termonology. You must have heard those quotes in football terms .......... surely.
What do the rest of you think!!!!
Trotter, Bolton says...
5:35pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Just like yourself I hold our clubs interest close to my heart and only want the best for our club, the fact that Jussi will be off in May and that when I went to Munich I said then that Ali Habsi should be given the No 1 shirt, there is no sentiment in football, hence Jussi holding the club to ransom, so get shut I say and give Habsi the chance he deserves.
Thanks for what you have done Jussi but you have been well paid for doing it.
Keep the Faith and Come on you Whites
ad_bwfc, Essex says...
5:35pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Trotter, Bolton says...
5:37pm Mon 3 Mar 08
AlanHandsome wrote:Can I phone a friend ...........
Trotter wrote:Course ive heard them, but how can you blame him when it was a deep ball to the back post were bentley was, he was sprinting back, that wasnt his near post, it was his back post!!! What do the rest of you think!!!!AlanHandsome wrote: near post???? he was running back from his near post to the back postg were the shot was being taken, you could say it either way so technically neither of us are wrong. But i dont think you can blame Jussi for those goals.lol .. "Always Gauard your near post" ...... "Never get beaten on your near post" is another termonology. You must have heard those quotes in football terms .......... surely.
No I will have 50 - 50
Well you picked - Ask the audience ..... didn't you?
lol
BWFC 4 LYF, ROCHDALE says...
5:37pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Julie Moores, Bolton says...
5:41pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Al Habsi has done nothing wrong- lets give him a go. Also, sick of beating the Andranik drum. This time last year he scored twice at Wigan.
AlanHandsome, Garstang says...
5:44pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Julie again you seem to say the opposite of what i say, i still have'nt recieved my apology from you for mistaken identity!!! lol
ad_bwfc, Essex says...
5:45pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Gk:jussi
Rb:steinnsson
CB:cahill
CB:a o b
LB:gardner
Rm:guthrie
CM:nolan
CM:adranik
LM:taylor
CF:davies
Cf:Diouf or vaz te
subs:habsi campo dzemaili stelios diouf or vaz te
that team is the dogs danglees
ad_bwfc, Essex says...
5:46pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Gk:jussi
Rb:steinnsson
CB:cahill
CB:a o b
LB:gardner
Rm:guthrie
CM:nolan
CM:adranik
LM:taylor
CF:davies
Cf:Diouf or vaz te
subs:habsi campo dzemaili stelios diouf or vaz te
that team is the dogs danglees
Andy L, Rugby says...
5:49pm Mon 3 Mar 08
However,. I'm less enamoured of the other game costing errors this season, which include flaps at aerial crosses, hesitancy leaving the line, failure to respond to crawling deflections, some pretty poor near post errors and several indifferent attempts at anything to his right hand side.
Most of all I hate the hopeless distribution. It drives me to howls of frustration. The game slows as he feints to throw and never does. It's got to the point where full backs never look for throw outs and as for centre halves,they have no chance. Meanwhile On Saturday Reina , even making a couple of errors was rolling it out, kicking it to his full backs and as often as not this would lead to a fast break.Friedel and James have also, if JJ had cared to watch , offered a master class in general distribution to him. All we ever do when JJ gets it is to assemble for his aimless punts. Goodness knows what Branagan, McDonagh, Hopkinson ( if alive) would make of this.At leas JJ keeps goal in an era when pass backs to his hands are not allowed. If they were, goodness knows how mnany useless punts we'd have to endure.
Yes, he's a good, even excellent shotstopper but from what we have seen so is Al Habsi. he did well at Fulham and brilliantly at Munich. In this situation he must get his chance.It is no disgrace to lose your place to strong competition and we sem to have just that with Al Habsi and Ian walker
Loyalty is admirable but not at the cost of yet more points.The papers, GM and one commentator here have praise Jussi for holding his hands up..Well all I can say is that it's a pity he didn't do the same for Gerrard's shot!
Julie Moores, Bolton says...
5:50pm Mon 3 Mar 08
AlanHandsome, Garstang says...
6:06pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Julie Moores wrote:Hahahahahahaha so called fans like me.
Garstang Al, you describe my football knowledge as " appalling " then call me an " absolute idiot " And you want an apology?. OK, sorry BWFC have to put up with so called fans like you. That OK ?
Who's the one slaggin off half the team hahaha
Obviously your memory is poor as well haha
ad_bwfc, Essex says...
6:09pm Mon 3 Mar 08
julie i must apologise for a rant i had about u a couple of weeks ago, was unfair and you have a right to opinion like every body else.
Julie Moores, Bolton says...
6:09pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Julie Moores, Bolton says...
6:16pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Posters who say that a certain player should be in the England squad for example, I might disagree but wouldnt stoop to calling them " witches " or " appalling " etc. I respect everyones views even though dont always agree.
Sure I can be a pain at times, partner often tells me. I always try to keep it to BWFC stuff, not like those morons the other night on that Madrid link. I even tell you about my nights out, but some get very offended at that, so wont bother again. Nice to hear from you ad.
ad_bwfc, Essex says...
6:18pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Julie Moores wrote:haha i was the one who went off on one about ur nights out. i was only being silly and pi55ed off about loosing. so once again i apologise.
That is very nice ad, even though I cant remember it. A bit of passion on here is fine, I just never understand how personal some posters get. Posters who say that a certain player should be in the England squad for example, I might disagree but wouldnt stoop to calling them " witches " or " appalling " etc. I respect everyones views even though dont always agree. Sure I can be a pain at times, partner often tells me. I always try to keep it to BWFC stuff, not like those morons the other night on that Madrid link. I even tell you about my nights out, but some get very offended at that, so wont bother again. Nice to hear from you ad.
ad_bwfc, Essex says...
6:20pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Julie Moores, Bolton says...
6:22pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Looking forward to Thursday if as good as Madrid match. Not sure what team he will put out for return leg.
bwfc_1210, egerton says...
6:22pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Al Habsi
Gardner
J O'Brien
Cahill
Meite
Campo
Nolan
Guthrie
Vaz Te
Diouf
Davies
subs
jaaskelainen
a o'brien
andranik
taylor
mccann
stelios
helguson
Julie Moores, Bolton says...
6:25pm Mon 3 Mar 08
AlanHandsome, Garstang says...
6:27pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Julie Moores wrote:Well actually love as i put before, if your on about madrid home game, i went to that (Mistaken identity i asure you), and other than Portsmouth and Fulham (Both away) and the Euro ties away, i have been to every game home and away. And i have my season ticket, and the stubbs from away games to prove it!!!!
At least I can be bothered travelling to night matches and I know the difference between near and far post. Perhaps on your nights in you should read some football books.
Read footy books???? hmmmmmm i still agree with my first answer, why dont we ask Fred Barber on the matter :) lol
ad_bwfc, Essex says...
6:29pm Mon 3 Mar 08
bwfc_1210 wrote:im pretty sure diouf is suspended. nolan is definitly injured. i'd go with
For the Lisbon game i would play : Al Habsi Gardner J O'Brien Cahill Meite Campo Nolan Guthrie Vaz Te Diouf Davies subs jaaskelainen a o'brien andranik taylor mccann stelios helguson
gk. habsi
rb.hunt
cb.meite
cb.cahill
lb.gardner or j loyd
rm.braaten
cm.guthrie
cm.andranik
lm.taylor
cf.davies
cf.vaz te
bwfc_1210, egerton says...
6:34pm Mon 3 Mar 08
ad_bwfc wrote:sorry forgot about diouf being out, and if nolan is injured i would play the following:
bwfc_1210 wrote: For the Lisbon game i would play : Al Habsi Gardner J O'Brien Cahill Meite Campo Nolan Guthrie Vaz Te Diouf Davies subs jaaskelainen a o'brien andranik taylor mccann stelios helgusonim pretty sure diouf is suspended. nolan is definitly injured. i'd go with gk. habsi rb.hunt cb.meite cb.cahill lb.gardner or j loyd rm.braaten cm.guthrie cm.andranik lm.taylor cf.davies cf.vaz te
Al Habsi (GK)
Gardner (LB)
J O'Brien (RB)
Meite (CB)
Cahill (CB)
Campo (Defensive CM)
Guthrie (Attacking CM)
Andranik (RM)
Taylor (LM)
Vaz Te (S)
Davies (S)
Chris Baron, Bolton says...
6:36pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Julie Moores, Bolton says...
6:37pm Mon 3 Mar 08
fernando, bolton says...
6:37pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Nolan is useful going forward, but even his band of Nolan lovers must realise that he will never have the pace, timing or passing ability to be a premiership midfield player. Apart from Guthrie (who isn't ours) there is no real quality in the centre or on the sides of midfield. (Even Guthrie needs to develop)
The fact is, if we survive (and I pray we do) we need 5 more players who can play comfortably at that level. 5 is the minimum.
At this moment I am not sure that Megson has the tactical awareness to get the right players. We need pace and vision. We need players who can read the game and have the movement to attack quickly in numbers. I worry about the comments of Gerald Cid. On sunday I saw a team who could not pass to each other. I saw a team whose ball control and first touch was appalling.
ad_bwfc, Essex says...
6:37pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Julie Moores wrote:live in essex myself next to london. sometimes its rubbish because every body supports tottenham west ham or chelsea. they just see bolton as that dirty nothern team who play long ball! so frustratiing, used to live in new york and singapore so now there is half a chinese population who now support bolton in singapore as i converted them.
Awww, thats OK. Used to live in Bolton, but now in Manchester City Centre so quite enjoy the nightlife there, but will always be a Bolton girl. Looking forward to Thursday if as good as Madrid match. Not sure what team he will put out for return leg.
pretty funny story, when i first got out there i was about 14, i turned up for a friendly footy game on a saturday and the team we played we indian and malaysian lads and there must have been a sale on bolton kits as they stolled up with the proper old school reebok kits we used to have, was the weirdest feeling playing a bunch of malaysians with bolton kits on!!
Julie Moores, Bolton says...
6:44pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Had this awful dream the other night. Gary Megson was our Manager!!! Can you imagine that?? Seriously, this time last year I could not have imagined that 2 no hopers like Lee and Megson would be running our club. Cheapskate Gartside will soon be booted off his committees. That is the only satifaction I can get from our desperate position.
bwfc_1210, egerton says...
6:52pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Julie Moores wrote:I see more football talent in his little finger than Nicky Hunt has. O'Brien is improving since his injury. Excluding Rasiak, Hunt is one of the worst players ever to put on a Bolton shirt.
bwfc- what do you see in Joey? I think he is awful this season. Hunt has played much better. Otherwise, Ill go with your team.
Chris Baron, Bolton says...
6:55pm Mon 3 Mar 08
AlanHandsome, Garstang says...
6:56pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Yeh alrigt mate where's Beadle lol
Julie Moores, Bolton says...
6:57pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Not always been sure of him, but this season he has played well and not let us down. Is it just cos your mate Kev doesnt like him?
Den, Leigh says...
7:05pm Mon 3 Mar 08
nazT, im gettin turned says...
7:10pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Jussi is an Amazing Keeper, the best in he last 20 years...
(Kieth brannagon & Dave the cat - Felgate - not forgotton ) a true BWFC LEGEND , he is loyal and bolton thru and thru, a fantastic bloke , and easily one of the best 3 in the prem,,
for all the gob sh!tes sla66ing him off, ask yourself , just how many points HAS HE WON US when our defence are running round like clueless idiots for 15 gauranted minutes every game ??, but you wouldnt remember would you .
you probabally do games a season..
if you want to vent some anger you , then have a look at Taylor , who has missed 2 pens and a siTTer from 3 yard,, theres 6 points..
or the appointment of the Hamster sammy lee, who gave us such a bad start with his new style of football we dont have the breathing space for a bad run we always have ..
Jussi you are a legend,,,and its a honour to have you at the Bok, for so long...
maybe if ginger had assigned some one to mn mark that scouse gerrard we would have beat the yesteryear liverpool side!
Jussi , good luck and thanks
bwfc_1210, egerton says...
7:11pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Julie Moores wrote:I've a few mates who said Hunt was shocking in Madrid. When he plays, at least 80% of opposition chances are for or created by the player Hunt should be marking. He is an awful footballer. Joey O'Brien was a lot better than Hunt before his injury, and is getting back to that stage now. International player too.
Had a few friends who said Nicky was the outstanding player in Madrid. Not sure Ive heard Joey ever get such praise. Not always been sure of him, but this season he has played well and not let us down. Is it just cos your mate Kev doesnt like him?
I dont know if 'my mate Kev' likes him Julie. I bet your mate Stelios does though, as they spend so much time together as subs.
Julie Moores, Bolton says...
7:17pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Captain Clueless is always yelling and bawling at Hunt whatever he does. Funny, he doesnt do it when the likes of Diouf and Davies make howlers.
Think a lot of people agree Hunt played well this season, Joey O B- you must be having a laff!! Gerald Cid shows more application.
Andy L, Rugby says...
7:36pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Firstly, in the wake of Saturday's debacle it's worth remembering Nicky Hunt's stirring game v Liverpool in 2003/4, in particular cutting in on overlap and scoring a near post cracker to give us the lead after about ten minutes. Indeed from the point where he made his debut in a throw away game v Sheff Utd until some point, probably when injured at Oldham, wasn't it. he overlapped regularly> He has looked very ungainly and been prone to injury but is very far from the worst player ever to put on a BWFC shirt in my opinion. He didn't play well last year and is always prone to wander out of position but he is a good last ditch tackler and I agree with those who saw him as returning to form this year. He is not, though as good as he was in 2003/4 and in my opinion he was never a world-beater.Steinss
on looks/looked much better until Babbeled.
Joey O'B showed early promise in midfield and for BWFC did especially well there on one occasion in our last UEFA campaign. He is a neat player who, when fit, doesn't give the ball away much and plays it on the ground. He did extremely well in his season as right back for us and markedly improved on Hunt's distribution, but seldom came forward effectively. Just at present he looks tentative and short of fitness and strength, doing OK at Newcastle but struggling on Saturday making one important error and missing a sitter. He lacks pace but has the potential to be a good player who will make international appearances. If we were playing a possession rather than aimless hoofing game he would show up better. For starters if Jussi would throw him the ball he wouldn't often lose it. For me he has more promise in midfield than at full back. Should he be in the starting team at present. I don't think so. Logically last saturday with Steinsson able to play centre half it may have been preferable to have Hunt on the bench than Meite. Maybe then we 'd have kept some shape and not been so horribly exposed with Steinsson off, Joey at right back and with no-one to compensate for Rasiak's presence--I have argued elsewhere that with Rasiak on alongside Davies midfield goes one down.On saturday it went two down straightaway and subsequently three with Nolan's departure. I'm in a minority but I actually thought Cohen did OK in covering but Joey and Nolan had previously been doing a better job and the vacuum they left was so obvious with Rasiak up front and both Davies and Diouf marginalised.I doubt Gerrard could believe the space he was given.
bwfc_1210, egerton says...
7:50pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Julie Moores wrote:Captain clueless? Were you at the Liverpool game? Did you not realise how much we missed him? Do you not see how much we miss him whenever he doesn't play.
Never really said much about Stelios, but sure he's much better than half of those yesterday. Captain Clueless is always yelling and bawling at Hunt whatever he does. Funny, he doesnt do it when the likes of Diouf and Davies make howlers. Think a lot of people agree Hunt played well this season, Joey O B- you must be having a laff!! Gerald Cid shows more application.
I would agree Hunt hasn't been AS bad as usual, but he is still an awful footballer when he is on form. I've never seen a player who panicks more. He is a clown.
But you hate Nolan who is possibly our best player at the moment, barring Cahill possibly.
Julie Moores, Bolton says...
7:53pm Mon 3 Mar 08
1. For a midfielder he has no passing ability, pace or any attacking prowess. He doesnt call for the ball, or find space. Too often he just passes back to Jussi.
2. As a defender, he rarely goes forward, isnt very quick and his distribution is terrible.
I think he was better before his injury, but as you say, should not be in the team right now. Why play him and Campo together in midfield? Totally baffling as at the moment, neither create anything or rarely go past halfway. Yesterday in 2nd half, Joey tried to go past an opponent once or twice. No pace or trickery, so he just lost the ball. His body language seems poor, no spark to the lad and seemed to get worse when he gave the ball to Gerrard for first goal.
les537, united kingdom says...
7:54pm Mon 3 Mar 08
ad_bwfc wrote:no offence ad but u might have to play thm again if u drive down to see the match,we are UP north.
Julie Moores wrote: Awww, thats OK. Used to live in Bolton, but now in Manchester City Centre so quite enjoy the nightlife there, but will always be a Bolton girl. Looking forward to Thursday if as good as Madrid match. Not sure what team he will put out for return leg.live in essex myself next to london. sometimes its rubbish because every body supports tottenham west ham or chelsea. they just see bolton as that dirty nothern team who play long ball! so frustratiing, used to live in new york and singapore so now there is half a chinese population who now support bolton in singapore as i converted them. pretty funny story, when i first got out there i was about 14, i turned up for a friendly footy game on a saturday and the team we played we indian and malaysian lads and there must have been a sale on bolton kits as they stolled up with the proper old school reebok kits we used to have, was the weirdest feeling playing a bunch of malaysians with bolton kits on!!
Julie Moores, Bolton says...
7:55pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Jon W, westhoughton says...
7:57pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Andy L wrote:Agree with every word Andy. Jussi has not missed 1 minute of Premiership action this season and its becoming ridiculous. His overrall play is far worse than Branagan ever was, yet for some unknown reason Jussi seems to be revered as top class. He isnt, he's OK but has too many faults, whenever we come up against a real top class keeper like James, Reina, Maik Taylor, Niemi, we can see the difference. As others have said, we need to give Habsi an incentive to stay and need to play him NOW.
Sorry, rallying teammates of Jussi, but I do blame him!OK it was probably the worst blunder I have seen a Bolton goalkeeper make in 45 years of being a supporter unless I count Ian Walker for Leicester against us-and it did cost us the game in my opinion- but I can forgive the blunder and even admire a couple of the saves which ensued. However,. I'm less enamoured of the other game costing errors this season, which include flaps at aerial crosses, hesitancy leaving the line, failure to respond to crawling deflections, some pretty poor near post errors and several indifferent attempts at anything to his right hand side. Most of all I hate the hopeless distribution. It drives me to howls of frustration. The game slows as he feints to throw and never does. It's got to the point where full backs never look for throw outs and as for centre halves,they have no chance. Meanwhile On Saturday Reina , even making a couple of errors was rolling it out, kicking it to his full backs and as often as not this would lead to a fast break.Friedel and James have also, if JJ had cared to watch , offered a master class in general distribution to him. All we ever do when JJ gets it is to assemble for his aimless punts. Goodness knows what Branagan, McDonagh, Hopkinson ( if alive) would make of this.At leas JJ keeps goal in an era when pass backs to his hands are not allowed. If they were, goodness knows how mnany useless punts we'd have to endure. Yes, he's a good, even excellent shotstopper but from what we have seen so is Al Habsi. he did well at Fulham and brilliantly at Munich. In this situation he must get his chance.It is no disgrace to lose your place to strong competition and we sem to have just that with Al Habsi and Ian walker Loyalty is admirable but not at the cost of yet more points.The papers, GM and one commentator here have praise Jussi for holding his hands up..Well all I can say is that it's a pity he didn't do the same for Gerrard's shot!
Andy L, Rugby says...
8:03pm Mon 3 Mar 08
He is not a midfielder. Maybe he should not always start but we need his experience and awareness. He could certainly have had a half on Saturday and if not that could have replaced Diouf with little lost to the cause.
bwfc_1210, egerton says...
8:20pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Reevsey n Philliskirk, stood ont burnden terrace (Bread Isle at ASDA now) says...
8:25pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Reevsey n Philliskirk, stood ont burnden terrace (Bread Isle at ASDA now) says...
8:27pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Andy L, Rugby says...
8:31pm Mon 3 Mar 08
However,I made a post some time ago re his overall place in BWFC's goalkeeping history and for me it isn't that high. Hopkinson
(appreciably), McDonagh and Branagan all had a more comprehensive set of goalkeeping skills. All were excellent aerially and they all made outstanding saves.Hopkinson and Branagan were just excellent at coming off their lines decisively. I saw one Hopkinson error in over a decade and none by McDonagh ( save secondhand his blunder for Rotherham against us.) Branagan too, if making one or two more errors, was outstanding against free kicks,caught almost everything aerially and who can forget the penalty save v Reading in the play off.
In addition although not tested against the same calibre of opposition Felgate was excellent aerially and coming out of goal- and it seems to me he held on to more more when diving to save low shots.
It was less fashionable in all their eras to punch or to palm/strongarm shots to right and left. Catching and holding on to shots was a matter of pride, especially in the UK but at times abroad.( In my earliest recollection Lev Yashin was the model for this)
Indeed, at a much more lowly level I remember never feeling that great about saves where I hadn't held on to a ball and admiring scores of amateur keeper opponents who could all do some of the things that nowadays are often not attempted.
Long ago but that's what was expected and certainly what Eddie H modelled.
In a previous thread some time time ago posters clawed up a range of others with positive credentials : Salmon, Rose, Boswell,Siddall, Wright, Poole, Farnworth. Is JJ better than some of those? Yes probably? Is he the best of them. Definitely not.
How does Al Habsi compare? I want to find out before it's too late. Aerially he looks athletic and dominant and his save at Munich is one of the best I've ever seen..pretty much in the Gordon Banks v Pele or Jim Montgomery v Leeds class I'd say.
And also: has anyone ever seen Jussi make the same sort of save that Reina made off Davies.( Or as similarly some years ago Seaman made against us in an early 0-1 Arsenal Reebok victory)
I've seen Jussi him push lots of shots over and wide with strong arms. I've seen many prodigious efforts, especially, to his left but stopping/catching/fa
lling on downward headers..not often, I think.
AlanHandsome, Garstang says...
8:36pm Mon 3 Mar 08
He is one of the reasons we are still in the Premiership and those calling him saying he's rubbish are out of order and are wrong.simple as.
Julie Moores, Bolton says...
8:36pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Was just thinking of a few phrases I would rather not hear again this season :-
We are too good to go down
We are going to turn this place into Fortress Reebok
I am confident we can finish in the top 10
The lads have really benefitted from some warm weather mid season training
Our good run in Europe has given us all lots of confidence for remainder of the season.
There are plenty of goals in the side
YUKKKKKK
Please feel free to add your own.
AlanHandsome, Garstang says...
8:40pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Just filled out my application form, prices are shocking for adults.
Man Utd----Wednesday 19th March---8:00pm
Adults-£39
over 65's-£19.50
Under 16's-£12.50
Burnden Paddock, Horwich says...
8:40pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Wigan - away 1pt
City - home 3pts
west Ham -home 3pts
Boro - away 1pt
Sunderland - home 3pts
That makes 11 points from a possible 30 over 10 games. I hope I am wrong, but I can't see us getting much against the red sh**e, Gooners,Villa,Chelsk
i,Spurs.
The question is,will it be enough?
I don't think so.
I really hope I'm wrong, and don't want to sound negative , but I can't see where the goals will come from against the top teams. We may pick up the odd point against the odds, but having been there yesterday, and at Blackburn last week, if we go a goal down , you do wonder where an equaliser - let alone a winner will come from?
I thought yesterday we had 3 good chances in the 1st half - but failure to score against a top 4 team when you have the chances will only come back to haunt you!. We also missed some great chances last week at 't rovers.
Yesterday Jussi was unlucky - it was a freak goal.
But the second half was really poor. We had no direction or creativity.
It will be a worrying last couple of months. We can only hope that some of the others around us slip up, ut our run-in is tough!
Burnden Paddock, Horwich says...
8:44pm Mon 3 Mar 08
It will be a worrying last couple of months. We can only hope that some of the others around us slip up, but our run-in is tough!
Jon W, westhoughton says...
8:47pm Mon 3 Mar 08
bwfc_1210 wrote:I really dont understand this, Hunt makes some errors but is generally sound and puts good crosses in; O'Brien gives the ball away consistently, makes unnecessary fouls, gives the team nothing going forward and never looks fit. What on earth does anybody see in him?
Julie Moores wrote: bwfc- what do you see in Joey? I think he is awful this season. Hunt has played much better. Otherwise, Ill go with your team.I see more football talent in his little finger than Nicky Hunt has. O'Brien is improving since his injury. Excluding Rasiak, Hunt is one of the worst players ever to put on a Bolton shirt.
les537, united kingdom says...
8:52pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Burnden Paddock, Horwich says...
8:55pm Mon 3 Mar 08
AlanHandsome wrote:I agree !
The fact is, Jussi has been a great servant for the Whites and his overall performance for us has been excellent. He is one of the reasons we are still in the Premiership and those calling him saying he's rubbish are out of order and are wrong.simple as.
I go back quite a few years, and can recall some of our previous keepers in the bad old days !
Kevin Rose, Simon Farnworth etc......
Yes, Branagan was brilliant for us, but I would argue that over the last 9 years or so, there has not been many more consistent keepers than Jussi.Without him, I would say we would certainly have been relegated over those first couple of seasons we came back up to the Premier League.
I am 37, and I keep telling my lad that the last 6 or 7 years have been exceptional compared to the past experiences I had growing up travelling to such wonderful places as Scunthorpe and Halifax !
Put things into perspective, and you will reaise that Jussi is probably one of the best we've ever had!
Jon W, westhoughton says...
8:56pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Reevsey n Philliskirk wrote:Compared to Jussi, yes they are all without fault. They all command their box, make at least as many saves as Jussi, distribute better, communicate better, get down to their near and far post better. What is it that Jussi does that is better than either of those? I used to think his big quality was that it was rare that he conceded a "dodgy" goal compared to other keepers like Robinson, Reina etc but that's no longer the case, there are loads of goals he might have stopped this season. As for "calamity James" - you know yourself that's as outdated as calling Owen a prolific scorer.
Coming up with class like David James, Niemi and Maik Taylor cos there all without fault arnt they, Wasnt David James nicknamed Calamity James at one point. Jussi has give us great service and has saved us more points than he has cost us. The day he isnt our regular keeper will be a sad day.That day will be soon too.
bwfc_1210, egerton says...
9:00pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Jon W wrote:What on earth does anybody see in Hunt? What are his qualities?
bwfc_1210 wrote:I really dont understand this, Hunt makes some errors but is generally sound and puts good crosses in; O'Brien gives the ball away consistently, makes unnecessary fouls, gives the team nothing going forward and never looks fit. What on earth does anybody see in him?Julie Moores wrote: bwfc- what do you see in Joey? I think he is awful this season. Hunt has played much better. Otherwise, Ill go with your team.I see more football talent in his little finger than Nicky Hunt has. O'Brien is improving since his injury. Excluding Rasiak, Hunt is one of the worst players ever to put on a Bolton shirt.
You say O'Brien gives the ball away consistently, makes unneccessary fouls, gives the team nothing going forward, and never looks fit. In comparison to Hunt, who gives the ball away more consistently than O'Brien, gives the team less going forward than O'Brien, and Hunt is like a stick. He has no strength, pace or ability.
And Julie Moores...you are out of your mind if you think Stelios should be playing ahead of Nolan. How on earth do you think he is better?
Burnden Paddock, Horwich says...
9:03pm Mon 3 Mar 08
bwfc_1210 wrote:Bring back Paul Comstive !!!!!
Jon W wrote:What on earth does anybody see in Hunt? What are his qualities? You say O'Brien gives the ball away consistently, makes unneccessary fouls, gives the team nothing going forward, and never looks fit. In comparison to Hunt, who gives the ball away more consistently than O'Brien, gives the team less going forward than O'Brien, and Hunt is like a stick. He has no strength, pace or ability. And Julie Moores...you are out of your mind if you think Stelios should be playing ahead of Nolan. How on earth do you think he is better?bwfc_1210 wrote:I really dont understand this, Hunt makes some errors but is generally sound and puts good crosses in; O'Brien gives the ball away consistently, makes unnecessary fouls, gives the team nothing going forward and never looks fit. What on earth does anybody see in him?Julie Moores wrote: bwfc- what do you see in Joey? I think he is awful this season. Hunt has played much better. Otherwise, Ill go with your team.I see more football talent in his little finger than Nicky Hunt has. O'Brien is improving since his injury. Excluding Rasiak, Hunt is one of the worst players ever to put on a Bolton shirt.
Brownie, Bolton says...
9:07pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Julie Moores, Bolton says...
9:25pm Mon 3 Mar 08
He can pass a ball straight, good in the air for his size and scores important goals for us. He doesnt sulk when left out or influence the manager over team selection. Why do you think Andranik not in the team?
Nolan ia a one paced, overweight, overhyped average player who has never got near an International squad.
On the Jussi thing- I am a big fan, but this season he has been poor in comparison. Nothing wrong with giving him a rest, and I cant see anyone having a go at him. Happens at other clubs ( Tottenham, Arsenal etc ) Why not Bolton? We have a very good understudy.
Lancashire73, Bolton says...
9:30pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Lancashire73, Bolton says...
9:36pm Mon 3 Mar 08
I've seen Stelios play centre midfield, he just gets overpowered. Just let Nolan get on with it and stop being silly.
Julie Moores, Bolton says...
9:39pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Letting Nolan get on with it has put us in the bottom 4.
bwfc_1210, egerton says...
9:41pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Julie Moores wrote:Yes, he won the Euro champs for Greece. He was a sub in the final, hardly played any part in getting them there, and remember, that was 4 years ago!
Well, Stelios is a full international, won the Euro champs with Greece for starters. He can pass a ball straight, good in the air for his size and scores important goals for us. He doesnt sulk when left out or influence the manager over team selection. Why do you think Andranik not in the team? Nolan ia a one paced, overweight, overhyped average player who has never got near an International squad. On the Jussi thing- I am a big fan, but this season he has been poor in comparison. Nothing wrong with giving him a rest, and I cant see anyone having a go at him. Happens at other clubs ( Tottenham, Arsenal etc ) Why not Bolton? We have a very good understudy.
There is no way that Stelios offers more to the team than Nolan. That is a ridiculus thing to even think about. If Stelios was English, do you really think he'd have any chance at all of being in the squad?
As for the pace aspect, Stelios is slow too. Nolan is not overweight, just has strength, which Stelios doesn't have. I don't know how you can possibly think Stelios is better.
Lancashire73, Bolton says...
9:45pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Julie Moores, Bolton says...
9:48pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Fans knock Nolan because they aint stupid.
Lancashire73, Bolton says...
9:54pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Julie Moores, Bolton says...
10:00pm Mon 3 Mar 08
yankie, blackrod says...
10:05pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Lancashire73, Bolton says...
10:07pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Lancashire73, Bolton says...
10:10pm Mon 3 Mar 08
yankie wrote:Oh no. Yeah drop an experienced international keeper, who has given us 10 good years and bring in a totally unproven one. Magic.
Time to drop Jussi. He did the same thing last time he was talking contracts. Take him out of the first team and make him think what he wants to do. Its now or never to get things moveing.Megson you need to see that Cohen is a waste of space bring in Andranick if you what someone of that type and get rid of the awful Pole
Jon W, westhoughton says...
10:15pm Mon 3 Mar 08
bwfc_1210 wrote:Couldnt disagree more - but not falling out over it, we dont have to agree. For what its worth, I think Hunts passing is far more accurate than O'Brien, yes he sometimes gives it away but often passes very well and not just the 5 yard passes that JOB sticks to. Hunt undoubtedly attempts to get forward more, O'Brien is pedestrian and unadventurous in comparison. As for Stelios/Nolan - again, I just disagree, everything that Nolan can do, Stelios can do at least as well and has far more to his game than Nolan (pace, skill, natural finishing, heading, tackling, awareness, fitness...)
Jon W wrote:What on earth does anybody see in Hunt? What are his qualities? You say O'Brien gives the ball away consistently, makes unneccessary fouls, gives the team nothing going forward, and never looks fit. In comparison to Hunt, who gives the ball away more consistently than O'Brien, gives the team less going forward than O'Brien, and Hunt is like a stick. He has no strength, pace or ability. And Julie Moores...you are out of your mind if you think Stelios should be playing ahead of Nolan. How on earth do you think he is better?bwfc_1210 wrote:I really dont understand this, Hunt makes some errors but is generally sound and puts good crosses in; O'Brien gives the ball away consistently, makes unnecessary fouls, gives the team nothing going forward and never looks fit. What on earth does anybody see in him?Julie Moores wrote: bwfc- what do you see in Joey? I think he is awful this season. Hunt has played much better. Otherwise, Ill go with your team.I see more football talent in his little finger than Nicky Hunt has. O'Brien is improving since his injury. Excluding Rasiak, Hunt is one of the worst players ever to put on a Bolton shirt.
bwfc_1210, egerton says...
10:28pm Mon 3 Mar 08
Jon W wrote:Again i can't be bothered arguing so we'll just agree to disagree, but i cannot believe you have included tackling in stelios' abitities!
bwfc_1210 wrote:Couldnt disagree more - but not falling out over it, we dont have to agree. For what its worth, I think Hunts passing is far more accurate than O'Brien, yes he sometimes gives it away but often passes very well and not just the 5 yard passes that JOB sticks to. Hunt undoubtedly attempts to get forward more, O'Brien is pedestrian and unadventurous in comparison. As for Stelios/Nolan - again, I just disagree, everything that Nolan can do, Stelios can do at least as well and has far more to his game than Nolan (pace, skill, natural finishing, heading, tackling, awareness, fitness...)Jon W wrote:What on earth does anybody see in Hunt? What are his qualities? You say O'Brien gives the ball away consistently, makes unneccessary fouls, gives the team nothing going forward, and never looks fit. In comparison to Hunt, who gives the ball away more consistently than O'Brien, gives the team less going forward than O'Brien, and Hunt is like a stick. He has no strength, pace or ability. And Julie Moores...you are out of your mind if you think Stelios should be playing ahead of Nolan. How on earth do you think he is better?bwfc_1210 wrote:I really dont understand this, Hunt makes some errors but is generally sound and puts good crosses in; O'Brien gives the ball away consistently, makes unnecessary fouls, gives the team nothing going forward and never looks fit. What on earth does anybody see in him?Julie Moores wrote: bwfc- what do you see in Joey? I think he is awful this season. Hunt has played much better. Otherwise, Ill go with your team.I see more football talent in his little finger than Nicky Hunt has. O'Brien is improving since his injury. Excluding Rasiak, Hunt is one of the worst players ever to put on a Bolton shirt.
ad_bwfc, Essex says...
10:32pm Mon 3 Mar 08
good players that have left:
ben haim- only just replaced him with cahill. 6 months too late.
okocha- creative midfielder we havent replaced.
anelka- rasiak, enough said.
djorkaeff- diouf. pretty even.
bernie mendy- just got in steinsson, too late again.
we have lost some big players and taken too long to replace them. thats where we have gone wrong.
chris, says...
11:12pm Mon 3 Mar 08
davie wrote:You are right , Nolan was making a difference until he went off, and i believe as a captain he is the right man, its easy for others to jump on the bandwagon and knock him, and what significance his wife having a child should make baffles me.
When Nolan went off at half time Julie that was it.
Cohen scored, but ran around like an headless chicken.
Without Nolan we had
nothing.
The midfield was completely over run.
I bet Gerrard wished he was playing against us every week .
The time and space he got was criminal .
ad_bwfc, Essex says...
11:28pm Mon 3 Mar 08
gutted reading beat middlesborough, thats just our luck at the moment.
if we loose jussi and al habsi it will be a disaster. if we do, i'd like to see us go for ben foster or thomas kusak- united dont need them both.
as for a striker, we need someone with pace and power like a james vaugh, victor anichebe or bafe gomis.
come on you whites stay up!!!!!
AlanHandsome, Garstang says...
11:44am Tue 4 Mar 08
Lancashire73 wrote:Time to drop Jussi??????
yankie wrote: Time to drop Jussi. He did the same thing last time he was talking contracts. Take him out of the first team and make him think what he wants to do. Its now or never to get things moveing.Megson you need to see that Cohen is a waste of space bring in Andranick if you what someone of that type and get rid of the awful PoleOh no. Yeah drop an experienced international keeper, who has given us 10 good years and bring in a totally unproven one. Magic.
Dont be silly mate, were in enough trouble as it is. By dropping Jussi we are just putting another nail into our nearly completed coffin.
Chris Baron, Bolton says...
10:14pm Tue 4 Mar 08
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James, Westhoughton says...
8:49am Mon 3 Mar 08
Perhaps if Nolan actually tackled, passed the ball to its intended target, took ownership on the pitch and actually displayed leadership qualities, then he would be appreciated more.
He has never been right since becoming captain and has been poor for a good two seasons now, yet we insist on sticking with him. I also factor in when he became a parent, that has changed him (for the worst from a footballing perspective IMHO).
I would prefer to see someone like A O'B be the captain. The captaincy of Bolton has never been right since Gudni Bergsson. Even JJ was never the same player after he became captain.
I am not saying Nolan is a bad player, but I think he is tactically deficient and skill deficient in many areas. I get the feeling he thinks he is better than he actually is, not helped by the previous managerial incumbent by hyping him up to play for England.
Yesterday, if you looked at Gerrard and then Nolan, it is easy to see why Nolan will never be picked - he simply is not good enough and never will be.
Gerrard lead from the front, Nolan was anonymous. It's been the same for most of the games I have seen him this season. If there is no leader on the pitch, then we have issues.
I know there are many Nolan lovers out there, but for me, he is increasingly becoming a liability.